Jun 30 2022
12:08 AM TurBoss: morning
12:20 AM travis_farmer: G'Morning
01:30 AM Deejay: moin
04:34 AM Tom_L: morning
04:42 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:58 AM pere: hi
07:52 AM * travis_farmer heading out to workshop to try Probe Basic GUI...
07:54 AM TurBoss[m]: nice!
08:02 AM TurBoss: new raspberry pi pico with wifi đ˛ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIdyTlmdVW8
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08:17 AM travis_farmer[m]: not sure what this error means, when installing Probe Basic
08:22 AM travis_farmer[m]: TurBoss ?
08:22 AM TurBoss: ops
08:22 AM TurBoss: that installer is very old
08:23 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok
08:23 AM TurBoss: hmm
08:23 AM TurBoss: what version od linuxcnc=
08:23 AM travis_farmer[m]: master branch, 2.9
08:23 AM TurBoss: ok
08:23 AM TurBoss: python3
08:24 AM TurBoss: that installer is for python2 2.8
08:24 AM TurBoss: âšī¸
08:24 AM TurBoss: let me check
08:24 AM travis_farmer[m]: ahh, ok
08:24 AM TurBoss: https://repository.qtpyvcp.com/repo/pb-dev/bin/
08:25 AM TurBoss: take the one from there
08:26 AM travis_farmer[m]: there are 3 there, what one is best?
08:26 AM TurBoss: hmmm
08:26 AM TurBoss: https://repository.qtpyvcp.com/repo/pb-dev/bin/ProbeBasic-Installer-python3%2B23.g32eba52.run
08:26 AM TurBoss: ^
08:27 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok, running install...
08:27 AM TurBoss: cool
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08:31 AM TurBoss[m]: you need the requirements for python
08:31 AM TurBoss[m]: ```
08:31 AM TurBoss[m]: sudo apt install python3-pip
08:31 AM TurBoss[m]: ```
08:31 AM travis_farmer[m]: i type python --version and get : 2.7.16
08:32 AM TurBoss[m]: yes thats ok
08:32 AM TurBoss[m]: but python3 give 3.9
08:32 AM TurBoss[m]: sudo apt install python-pyqt5 python-pyqt5.qtquick python-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5 python-pyqt5.qtopengl python-pyqt5.qsci python-pyqt5.qtmultimedia qml-module-qtquick-controls gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad libqt5multimedia5-plugins pyqt5-dev-tools python-dev python-wheel python-setuptools python-pip git python-pyqtgraph python-pyqt5.qtwebkit
08:32 AM TurBoss[m]: requirements are thoose but with python3 instead
08:33 AM TurBoss[m]: python3
08:33 AM TurBoss[m]: ```
08:33 AM TurBoss[m]: sudo apt install python3-pyqt5 python3-pyqt5.qtquick python3-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5 python3-pyqt5.qtopengl python3-pyqt5.qsci python3-pyqt5.qtmultimedia qml-module-qtquick-controls gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad libqt5multimedia5-plugins pyqt5-dev-tools python3-dev python3-wheel python3-setuptools python3-pip git python3-pyqtgraph python3-pyqt5.qtwebkit
08:33 AM TurBoss[m]: ```
08:34 AM TurBoss[m]: travis_farmer ^
08:34 AM TurBoss[m]: đ
08:34 AM travis_farmer[m]: doing...
08:35 AM TurBoss[m]: cool
08:39 AM roycroft: please stop that
08:39 AM travis_farmer[m]: ???
08:39 AM TurBoss[m]: ah sorry
08:39 AM roycroft: the spam from turboss
08:39 AM TurBoss[m]: long message
08:39 AM roycroft: that could be done in a pastbin
08:40 AM TurBoss[m]: true sorry
08:40 AM roycroft: it's all good
08:41 AM JT-Shop: TurBoss[m], have you made a deb for probe complicated?
08:41 AM TurBoss[m]: no
08:41 AM TurBoss[m]: i need to figure how to package python for febian
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08:45 AM travis_farmer[m]: got further this time
08:46 AM travis_farmer[m]: brb
08:46 AM TurBoss: ok
08:48 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok
08:52 AM travis_farmer[m]: running as root, after something an error said...
08:54 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok, that produced an error longer than my screen...
08:55 AM TurBoss[m]: can you open a terminal and run the installer with --verbose argument `./ProbeBasic-Installer-python3+23.g32eba52.run --verbose`
08:55 AM travis_farmer[m]: will do
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09:01 AM TurBoss[m]: oh as regular user plz
09:01 AM travis_farmer[m]: oh, lol
09:04 AM travis_farmer[m]: in componant selection, i am taking the check out of the kernal and linuxcnc as they are already installed
09:04 AM TurBoss[m]: ok
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09:09 AM TurBoss[m]: ok thats an issue
09:10 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok...
09:10 AM TurBoss[m]: other way ins install from github
09:11 AM travis_farmer[m]: Hmmm... as i am getting quite warm in my tin-can shop, i think i will save that for tomorrow morning. 86F inside here at the moment đ
09:11 AM TurBoss[m]: ok
09:12 AM TurBoss[m]: I'll try to figure the issue
09:12 AM TurBoss[m]: thanks for trying
09:12 AM travis_farmer[m]: thanks for your help đ
09:56 AM roycroft: no response from gst3d today
09:56 AM roycroft: i just emailed them and cancelled my pending order
09:56 AM roycroft: it's too bad
09:57 AM roycroft: but that's the cost of lousy customer service
09:57 AM mrec: tilting the mill head is really useful
09:59 AM roycroft: useful enough to be worth the time to retram when you're done?
09:59 AM roycroft: i considered a mill with a tilting head when i bought mine, but decided the fixed head would be less hassle
10:00 AM roycroft: and that for most operations, i could use an angle plate or something similar to tilt the part
10:00 AM roycroft: but i've never tilted the head on a mill, so i don't know for sure
10:01 AM mrec: roycroft: I can only tilt the head no need the entire Z axis
10:02 AM mrec: I did some drilling on the X axis last time because the Z ais wasn't high enough
10:02 AM mrec: Z-axis*
10:02 AM mrec: now I'm doing some 50Â° angle plates for a punch
10:03 AM mrec: I need to bend some small stainless parts ..
10:05 AM mrec: for the horizontal drilling part I have a better solution already I ordered a vertical slide for the lathe
10:14 AM solarwind: Hi all, is there a DIY way to crimp your own hose fittings? That is, instead of using a hose barb and screw/pinch clamp, I want to crimp on the NPT hose end
10:14 AM solarwind: This is only for low pressure stuff, less than 300 psi, mostly pneumatic
10:15 AM roycroft: yes, there is
10:15 AM roycroft: you buy a crimp tool and crimp fittings for the hose size you need to terminate
10:15 AM solarwind: Hydraulic bite to wire crimping tools are extremely expensive
10:15 AM roycroft: yes they are
10:15 AM roycroft: but that's how to do it
10:16 AM solarwind: Are less "heavy duty" ones available? For pneumatic hoses? The factory crimped fittings are much thinner than hydraulic fittings
10:16 AM roycroft: i do my own terminations on electrical wires, and the crimp tool for large wires cost me about $2k, and the dies about $150 per wire gage size
10:16 AM roycroft: for hydraulic/gas hoses i just go to a supplier and have them make them up for me
10:16 AM roycroft: i don't do enough of that work to justify several thousand dollars for a proper crimp tool
10:16 AM solarwind: Ah looks like that would be the way to go. Princess auto does it for free, but they only sell hydraulic fittings
10:17 AM solarwind: Still, other than being heavier and a bit more flow restrictive, should be fine
10:17 AM roycroft: you probbly need to go to an industrial supplier, not a retail auto parts store
10:17 AM solarwind: princess auto actually does industrial hydraulic hoses
10:18 AM solarwind: They crimp for free
10:18 AM solarwind: They actually have very few auto parts
10:19 AM roycroft: there are probably dozens of hydraulic/pneumatic suppiers in the gta that can make custom pneumatic hoses
10:20 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have an industrial hose/fittings store by me that does hydraulic and pneumatic hoses and terminations. The are much better than Princess Auto. They are called Fluidline and I think they have a dew locations.
10:20 AM solarwind: Ok thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into that
10:20 AM jdh: push-on fittings are usually good for 160psi if that is enough
10:20 AM roycroft: there are at least three in my area, which has a population about 1/30 of your area
10:21 AM solarwind: having a fitting blow off a 1/2" hose is one thing. Definitely don't want it blowing off the 1.5" hose on my compressor tanks
10:22 AM solarwind: To be honest, the factory fittings on pneumatic hoses look like you can get away with a pin punch and hammer with a mandrel on the inside of the hose while you work haha
10:22 AM solarwind: obviously can't do that with bite to wire hydraulic fittings
10:23 AM * roycroft does not have any 1.5" air hoses, and so cannot compare the fittings on them to anything else
10:23 AM solarwind: I meant it would be scary having the hose blow off the hose barb
10:24 AM roycroft: i've seen contractors with their big trailer-mounted compressors connect hoses to the compressor by twisting stiff wire around them
10:24 AM solarwind: So far it's only happened on my air tool side which sees a lot of motion and allows for the hose to work its way off the barb
10:24 AM roycroft: my opinion of that method is that i should stay as far away from those compressors as possible
10:24 AM solarwind: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GPCC1O6abJ0/maxresdefault.jpg
10:24 AM solarwind: Yes that's a thing, a fun DIY tool as a first machining project
10:25 AM solarwind: all you need is steel wire and either buy or build this very simple tool:
10:25 AM solarwind: https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2840/9371371658_c7c9163081.jpg
10:25 AM solarwind: That's actually what I should do instead of using screw or crimp hose clamps
10:26 AM solarwind: Oh yeah definitely don't tie it by hand, you need to use that tool to get any clamping action
10:30 AM solarwind: https://www.princessauto.com/en/nptm-rigid-bite-to-wire-fittings/product/PA1000000581?skuId=1290249
10:30 AM solarwind: Ridiculously overkill for pneumatic hose, but yeah, there should be shops in the area that do pneumatic hose fittings
10:58 AM Rab: Went to grab the latest FreeCAD appimage and it's at v0.20.0!
11:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I think debian is still at v19
11:02 AM Rab: I believe so, yes.
11:03 AM Rab: Not sure if I would be better off continuing to use the realthunder branch, or if it's been merged into 0.20, or what.
11:04 AM roycroft: is there an official assembly workbench in 0.20.0?
11:04 AM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: was just at a customers location with a recent machine from China, it has several oxy-propane burners fed by 2" gas lines, all the hose connections from the supply to the burners are on barbed fittings without any clamps :)
11:05 AM roycroft: capthindsight: duct tape will fix that
11:05 AM Rab: Sounds like high flow at very low pressure.
11:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: would be an improvement
11:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: no E-stop either
11:07 AM * roycroft wonders why the freecad website is one of the slowest ones in the universe
11:07 AM roycroft: is it hosted in someone's basement?
11:07 AM Rab: No trouble here.
11:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the VFD on the conveyor motor looks like the cheapest version i have ever seen
11:07 AM roycroft: it's always painfully slow here
11:08 AM roycroft: it takes about a minute and a half for the landing page to load
11:08 AM roycroft: and it always has
11:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: <2 sec here
11:09 AM roycroft: anyway, it finally loaded
11:09 AM roycroft: and i was able to get to the 0.20 release notes
11:09 AM roycroft: there is no official assembly workbench yet
11:09 AM roycroft: so the software is still utterly useless
11:10 AM CaptHindsight[m]: have you cleaned out your network connectors lately?
11:10 AM roycroft: i don't have trouble with other websites
11:10 AM roycroft: but it doesn't matter
11:10 AM roycroft: i won't need to visit the freecad site again for a while
11:11 AM roycroft: i actually don't care if/when there is an "official" assembly workbench
11:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: check client if roycroft delay 90 seconds
11:11 AM roycroft: if there were an official api for assemblies, then i could use any assembly workbench that uses the api
11:12 AM roycroft: so my emails to gst3d sales and support, and my voicemail to sales, have gone unanswered
11:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm only interested in its Path part
11:13 AM roycroft: i may need to get my credit card company involved
11:13 AM roycroft: usually requesting a chargeback gets a vendor's attention
11:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njCXkJgyFQE building a CNC glass lathe that will move at about this rate
11:15 AM roycroft: and if that's what freecad intends to be, that's fine
11:15 AM roycroft: a parametric modeling suite for drawing individual parts and generating paths from the drawings
11:16 AM roycroft: but if it wants to be able to model complete systems it needs to deal with the assembly thing
11:16 AM roycroft: and if the former case is what it is, it would be nice for someone on the project to say "we don't care about modeling complete systems"
11:16 AM roycroft: at which point i'd just wish them luck and move on
11:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: automated glass blowing
11:17 AM roycroft: but they sort of claim that they want to do assemblies properly, but can't be bothered to actually do it
11:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: not enough devs
11:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: kinda like LCNC
11:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: and open source development drama
11:33 AM roycroft: that's not really the problem
11:33 AM roycroft: there are already mutiple assembly workbenches
11:34 AM roycroft: the problem is that they are all incompatible with each other
11:34 AM roycroft: i.e. if you create a assembly in one workbench you can't open it in another
11:34 AM roycroft: all the freecad folks need to do is pick one and declare it the official one
11:34 AM roycroft: so that going forward they can maintain compatibility with that one
11:35 AM roycroft: so that people can create assemblies today and know that they can still open/edit/whatever them five years from now
11:35 AM * roycroft has had this discussion far too many times already
11:37 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: This thing about FOSS is that devs work on the things that interest them and the "boring" things like UI and documentation tend to lag or be minimal. There isn't anyone that is driving a project or release schedule. My thought on it is that you need to be the change you want to see. If you feel strongly about a feature then work with the team to develop it. There are 1000 "idea guys" out there for every one that is willing to
11:37 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: buckle down and work on the problem đ
11:38 AM Rab: All I have is money, hopefully throwing it at the project will help.
11:39 AM CaptHindsight[m]: things could be worse
12:05 PM mrec: I love it my self built mini press brake works :D
12:05 PM roycroft: again, it's not a feature that needs to be developed
12:05 PM roycroft: it's a feature that has been implemented mulitple times already
12:05 PM roycroft: all the developers need to do is pick one
12:06 PM roycroft: and i know it's not quite that easy
12:07 PM roycroft: holy moly
12:07 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Project management is also one of those boring things no one wants to do. Picking one option pisses off the devs of the methods not picked.
12:07 PM roycroft: i just got an email from the hult center (local performing arts venue) that tickets for hamilton just went on sale
12:07 PM roycroft: i immediately went to the website, and i'm #296 in the queue
12:08 PM roycroft: the pissing off other developers part is not even the big deal
12:08 PM roycroft: it's the once we pick one we need to make sure the api always works for that one thing that's the big deal
12:08 PM roycroft: i do get that
12:08 PM roycroft: from my experience working with open source devlopers, pissing off others is actually a feature
12:11 PM mrec: I usually only submit patches once and when someone tells me to rewrite it another way he can do it himself.
12:12 PM mrec: but with linuxcnc developers aren't that stubborn, no issue with them at all
12:15 PM * roycroft just got in, and was able to purchase not great but not horrible tickets
12:16 PM roycroft: it's running for a week, and it's almost sold out every night just minutes after tickets went on sale
12:16 PM roycroft: which i don't get, because this is the pre-sale - available to eugene symphony season ticket subscribers only
12:17 PM roycroft: i don't see how it can sell out that fast to such a limited group of people
12:17 PM roycroft: oh well, at least i got mine
01:42 PM XXCoder: roycroft: a2plus seem best assemly so far
01:42 PM XXCoder: dont know, freecad programmers is heavily working on TNP solution
01:42 PM roycroft: i don't even really care which one they pick
01:42 PM XXCoder: trying to port over big changes from realthunder version to freecad
01:43 PM roycroft: whatever they pick will improve over time
01:43 PM roycroft: i just need the matter settled before i can take the software seriously
01:46 PM XXCoder: I suppose, though im been using freecad to model stuff for years now
01:46 PM XXCoder: from hellish version 0.13 to .20
01:46 PM XXCoder: TNP is far bigger problem honestly
01:49 PM XXCoder: topological naming problem I think its that, could be wrong
02:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they might be running out of ways to have the mouse navigate the screen and models
02:44 PM roycroft: xxcoder: you might be using it to design individual, isolated parts
02:44 PM roycroft: and it works pretty well for that
02:44 PM roycroft: or possibly small assemblies consisting of a half dozen or less parts
02:44 PM XXCoder: in most cases, yes. not not always
02:45 PM roycroft: i use solidworks to design machines that have hundreds of parts
02:45 PM roycroft: or other things that have hundreds of parts
02:46 PM roycroft: and not just machines
02:46 PM XXCoder: theorically you can with a2plus
02:46 PM roycroft: those cabinets i'm building consist of about 700 parts in total, not counting all the fasteners
02:46 PM roycroft: i can with any of the assembly workbenches
02:47 PM roycroft: but when i pick a2plus, and then 5 years from now freecad have chosen assembly 4 as their officiall assembly workbench, i have no way of loading my old drawing done with a2plus in a current version of freecad
02:48 PM roycroft: but if they picked assembly 3 today as their official assembly workbench, even though they are doing no directly development on it at this point, leaving it to the third-party developers who created assembly 3, i could use assembly 3 to design my cabinets and be confident that in 5 years i'll still be able to edit the drawings with the then current version of freecad
02:49 PM roycroft: that is the crux of the problem, and i don't know how i can explain it any other way where it makes more sense
02:49 PM roycroft: i've been saying exactly this for years now, and there are so many folks who just don't get it
02:49 PM roycroft: do people never go back and revise/reuse project drawing files once the initial project is complete?
02:50 PM XXCoder: if one is picked as offical, I wonder if there would be offical
02:50 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: This sort of thing is why I tell people to go to Fusion360 or pony up for Solidworks if they are doing anything other than trivial designs. It is sort of like CNC machines, some people see building the machine as the hobby and others the machine is a means to an end. Freecad and the like are for people who like making CAD systems.
02:50 PM roycroft: i use solidworks
02:50 PM XXCoder: and I doubt assembly 4 will never be offical, it changes way too much
02:50 PM roycroft: i actually just bought an upgraded version
02:50 PM XXCoder: it cant even be plugin due to that
02:50 PM roycroft: not the current version, but a more current version
02:50 PM roycroft: i would like to be able to use freecad at some point
02:51 PM roycroft: and, zincboy, people ask me all the time why i don't use freecad
02:51 PM roycroft: i give the above explanation
02:51 PM roycroft: it seems to be understood by very few people
02:51 PM roycroft: and i don't know why - it seems pretty clear to me
02:51 PM XXCoder: I definitely understood
02:51 PM roycroft: xxcoder: i'm intentionally using arbitrary workbench names when i discuss this
02:52 PM roycroft: the next time i'll probably use them in a different order
02:52 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I get the same question. Plus at the makerspace people get offended when I tell newbies to use F360
02:52 PM XXCoder: roy I know, just was commenting about asm4
02:52 PM roycroft: in the context of this discussion, i am 100% agnostic towards the adoption of any particular assembly workbench
02:53 PM roycroft: i would rather have freecad adopt the "worst" or "most unstable" one than to not adopt any at all
02:53 PM roycroft: i don't care
02:53 PM roycroft: adopt one
02:53 PM roycroft: make it official
02:53 PM roycroft: then i can start using it, and if it's the official one i'm confident it will improve over time
02:53 PM XXCoder: if I had to choose, I might have chosen a2plus
02:53 PM XXCoder: indeed
02:53 PM roycroft: i am staying completely away from that
02:54 PM roycroft: i am advocating for officially adopting an assembly workbench
02:54 PM roycroft: i do not want to be seen as advocating for adopting any particular assembly workbench - that would harm my argument
02:54 PM roycroft: actually, zincboy, i would recommend you stop telling newbies to use fusion 360
02:55 PM XXCoder: makes sense. I can learn any assembly at some time
02:55 PM roycroft: because autodesk are Evil(tm) and all that
02:55 PM roycroft: they keep chaning the rules
02:55 PM roycroft: and now there is a personal/maker solidworks license available
02:55 PM roycroft: so solidworks is within reach of anyone
02:56 PM roycroft: and to be clear, i am not claming in any way that solidworks is a superior product to fusion 360
02:56 PM roycroft: i don't know fusion 360 well enough to be able to make that comparison in fairness
02:56 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Okay, name another accessible CAD system. Solidworks just came out with a version that locks your files and by all accounts is pretty terrible.
02:56 PM roycroft: i'm just saying that the personal use f360 license is a moving target
02:57 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Yes. Just like Freecad đ
02:57 PM roycroft: no
02:57 PM XXCoder: f360 is limited to 10 active projects online
02:57 PM roycroft: the freecad license is not a moving target at all
02:57 PM XXCoder: ZincBoy[CAON][m]: wut
02:57 PM roycroft: the freecad software is
02:57 PM XXCoder: freecad have been and always be free to use in any context forever
02:57 PM Thorhian[m]: Hey guys, could you help me understand how to do tool offsets? I want to use a 123 block on my table to create them. However, I keep screwing things up when the offsets get loaded in a program I'm trying to run. When I use the tool touch off button and type in the the height my 123 block, should the current work offset be completely 0'ed when I'm doing this? Should I only setup work offsets once I have my tool offsets set?
02:58 PM roycroft: if you're saying the solidworks personal/maker license sucks, then i'll go have a look at it
02:58 PM XXCoder: anyway completing what i was saying, f360 have only 10 active projects only at cloud at any time. which isnt exactly great
02:59 PM XXCoder: thats if I remembered that license correctly, and it have not changed since. they change so often
02:59 PM roycroft: i haven't studied it closely, but i was under the impression that it was a full version of sw, with license limitations on what you can do with it (like no commercial use, or limited commercial use)
02:59 PM roycroft: i do know the fusion 360 license is horrible
02:59 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: In this context Freecad and F360 have moving targets for functionality. Licensing is something 99% of users don't care about beyond "can I run it"
03:00 PM XXCoder: also, f360 dont allow local saving of files. so thats out right away from me
03:00 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: A cloud version of the SW tool. Which by all accounts I have seen is crap.
03:00 PM XXCoder: I nearly always upload my freecad files to printables, if I cannot, it is "free model" and not "open source model"
03:01 PM XXCoder: I want my models to be easily modifable
03:01 PM roycroft: sw maker is $99/year, which should be affordable to almost any maker
03:01 PM roycroft: it claims to be sw professional
03:01 PM roycroft: but if is cloud-only that's not so good
03:02 PM XXCoder: I cannot do same with f360 as its cloud saving. solidworks, I suppose I could, but I prefer free only
03:03 PM roycroft: ok, from what i'm reading this is the deal:
03:03 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Tool offsets should typically be done in the G53 (no offset) space. Work offsets should be done in G54 and up. It doesn't really matter though because they are relative.
03:03 PM roycroft: the maker version is a different product to the desktop version
03:03 PM XXCoder: anyway "moving targets" is steadly improvement, and never moves back (loss of functionality)
03:03 PM roycroft: it is installed and run locally, but it stores drawing files to the cloud by default, although they can be stored locally
03:04 PM roycroft: so all that is less than ideal, but tolerable, imo
03:04 PM roycroft: however, there is a restriction that may disqualify it
03:04 PM roycroft: it watermarks all the files, so that they can only be opened in the maker version
03:04 PM roycroft: i.e. they will not load in the desktop version
03:04 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: for now đ Just like old school F360
03:04 PM XXCoder: meh
03:04 PM Thorhian[m]: What process would you recommend to create tool offsets then that works off of the table?
03:05 PM XXCoder: I rather be unfettered on modeling
03:05 PM roycroft: you can save as .iges and open in desktop sw
03:05 PM roycroft: but if you save as .sldprt you can only open with the maker version
03:05 PM roycroft: that's kind of sucky
03:05 PM roycroft: and all the more reason for freecad to officially adopt an assembly workbench :)
03:06 PM roycroft: i will not use this freecad, it is scratched
03:08 PM XXCoder: Thorhian[m]: toolchanger machine?
03:09 PM roycroft: i have sw professional 2018 now, including solidcam, and i should be good to go for quite some time
03:09 PM Thorhian[m]: No, just a plain bt30 taper. I have to swap the tools manually. Better than a collet spindle.
03:09 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I touch off my tools relative to a known height probe so when the offsets are applied, all tools are at the same physical Z height. It does not matter what height that is. Then I touch off to the workpiece to set the work offset. The work offset is what sets the height from the table.
03:09 PM XXCoder: thats good and fine Thorhian[m] well you want to figure a common reference point
03:10 PM Thorhian[m]: I'm just using my bed and a 123 block.
03:10 PM XXCoder: and special z finding probe bt30 taper. it just uses a rod as "tool". use height indictor to find its height
03:10 PM XXCoder: measure lengths from common point (like base of bt30) and that makes the cone inside your spindle the zero
03:11 PM XXCoder: during setup, supposing you want part top to be zero, you just touch off the probe on top of part (using gage to stop moving), you then subtract probe height and gage height
03:11 PM XXCoder: thats your part z
03:12 PM Thorhian[m]: I understand how to setup a workoffset. I've used an edge finder. I just don't really know what I'm doing with tool offsets.
03:12 PM XXCoder: on rock, using 123 blocks, you stand your tools on blocks, then you measure length from top of block to top of tool
03:13 PM XXCoder: that gives you TLO
03:13 PM XXCoder: (you must use exact same method to measure your z probe height also)
03:14 PM XXCoder: so as result you have a common reference - the spindle. (all on g53 btw)
03:16 PM XXCoder: anyway you may need a height indictor, for measuring tool heights when stood up on 123 blocks
03:17 PM Thorhian[m]: But I've seen people do these measurements with the tool in the spindle. I don't have a height indicator.
03:17 PM XXCoder: yeah what I outlined is best way since you can just measure it on rock
03:17 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I measure with the tool in the spindle.
03:17 PM XXCoder: far faster and easier
03:18 PM XXCoder: but yeah theres other way to set common point, like measuring tool down to 123 block can slide under it, on table
03:18 PM Thorhian[m]: I'd rather not for now, especially since I can't get a height gauge ATM. I do have a small granite surface plate though. Maybe at some point Ill try it out.
03:18 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: My process is as follows:
03:18 PM XXCoder: waiting for zinc to finish typing
03:20 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Load a calibrated length standard (4" from spindle gauge line). Touch this off on a gauge block stack to set the exact height from the table.
03:21 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Touch off the standard on the tool probe to get the exact height of the probe.
03:21 PM Thorhian[m]: Okay. I don't have a calibrated length standard, but my taper can touch the table or a 123 block. I can use that I suppose?
03:21 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Then touch of the tools against the probe at a known height.
03:21 PM Thorhian[m]: I also don't have a probe... No money for one yet.
03:22 PM XXCoder: probe makes it easier, but you can always use gage method on 123 block, or rise tool till you can slip 123 block under it
03:22 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Technically the spindle gauge point is not the nose of the spindle unless you have dual contact setup.
03:23 PM Thorhian[m]: So I need some sort of standard tool no matter what?
03:23 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You can do what I described with the 123 block and a feeler gauge. My tool probe is just a spring loaded contact.
03:23 PM XXCoder: yeah z probe. just a bt30 with gage rod
03:23 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: To be able to set the tools off the machine you do.
03:23 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: If you are just setting on the machine it is not needed
03:24 PM XXCoder: zinc yeah theres nice setups where theres perment spot for automated touchoff
03:24 PM XXCoder: but not always can do that, my machine certainly cant, space is too small
03:25 PM XXCoder: lowest cost and pretty stupid simple is just z probe tool
03:25 PM XXCoder: takes up nothing but time since he has everything already
03:25 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I stick mine on my vice or table as needed.
03:27 PM Thorhian[m]: Yeah, I don't want to set off of the machine for now. So, If I wanted to setup a tool offset for T11, I would load it into the spindle, lower it and touch my 123 block with some shim stock inbetween. I'm using the axis gui. I hit the tool touch off button. Do I type in the height of 123 block + the shim thickness and simply hit enter? That's basically what I've been doing, but my tools keep doing funny things (in my case the offset makes
03:27 PM Thorhian[m]: them go too high above the workpiece right now).
03:28 PM Thorhian[m]: No matter what I do my machine is in G54 by default and the docs tell me that G53 is not modal. Could that also be messing me up?
03:28 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Which UI?
03:28 PM Thorhian[m]: Axis UI
03:30 PM XXCoder: yeah xyz finding and tool length setting always should on g53
03:30 PM XXCoder: *be
03:30 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I haven't used that so I am not sure how that works.
03:30 PM Thorhian[m]: How do I disable G54 or any other work offset? Do I just 0 it out or what?
03:31 PM XXCoder: dunno too, I used larger machines. my home machine was much simpler, I just used top of part as zero
03:32 PM XXCoder: axis doesnt that have machine coord display?
03:32 PM XXCoder: thats g53
03:32 PM XXCoder: could be wrong hold on
03:32 PM Thorhian[m]: I know what G53 is, but G54 is always on once I start my machine.
03:32 PM XXCoder: indeed im wrong on display part
03:33 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: G53 has to be called before any move. It is not modal
03:34 PM Thorhian[m]: Yep
03:34 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have a macro that does to tool touch off and removes the offsets (g54 etc). I assume that Axis has similar functions.
03:35 PM Thorhian[m]: I would assume too. I just don't know how to use it properly lol.
03:35 PM XXCoder: sadly linuxcnc i dont have as much experence as even you lol
03:35 PM XXCoder: plenty of experence with setup on larger machines but not lcnc
03:36 PM Thorhian[m]: I mean, LCNC can be used on larger machines if you retrofit it, but yeah.
03:36 PM XXCoder: honestly all you need is machine coord display and you can do math stuff
03:37 PM XXCoder: yeah I meant commerical machines like haas, okuma, matsukra etc
03:37 PM Thorhian[m]: I can get numbers, but I don't how to use those numbers properly.
03:37 PM XXCoder: height probe is so easy, I cant remember math for probing 123 block on table
03:38 PM XXCoder: and I dont want to give you wrong math method and you crash machine
03:38 PM Thorhian[m]: If my machine's Z home is 0 and all of my coords below are negative, will that affect anything? All of my offsets being saved by axis are positive numbers.
03:39 PM XXCoder: nah thats extremely typical machine coord setup
03:39 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: No. Usually the tool offsets are the actual length of the tool from the gauge line
03:41 PM Thorhian[m]: So the numbers in the table should be positive?
03:42 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: A longer tool should have a larger value.
03:42 PM Thorhian[m]: Okay.
03:44 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have the tool offsets negative so if the offset is not set, the spindle does not try to go through the table,
03:46 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: The longest tool in my table is -8" and the shortest is -15"
03:47 PM Thorhian[m]: But you made that change yourself?
03:48 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: It is just how I set up the calibration math to work out.
03:58 PM JT-Shop2: hmm drawer #36 looks a bit off...
04:01 PM XXCoder: yours?
04:01 PM JT-Shop: nope, I only know one person that has that many drawers
04:02 PM XXCoder: ahh lol ok
04:02 PM roycroft: you are correct - #36 is the worst of all of them
04:04 PM roycroft: i've decided to be content with the sloppy installation for now
04:04 PM roycroft: at least until i get my cnc router buit
04:05 PM roycroft: built
04:05 PM XXCoder: if its worse of all, probably fix only that drawer
04:05 PM XXCoder: probably make whole thing look so much better
04:05 PM XXCoder: expecially if its much worse than second worse
04:05 PM roycroft: i would have to fix that one and the one below it
04:05 PM roycroft: and then those two would not match the rest of it
04:06 PM XXCoder: chained bah guess not then lol
04:06 PM roycroft: it's impossible to fix just one
04:06 PM roycroft: to fix the problem i have to do it all over again
04:06 PM roycroft: i have already figured out some ways i would be able to salvage the wood from the existing drawer fronts should i decide to redo that part
04:07 PM roycroft: so it would not be a total waste of material
04:07 PM roycroft: but at this point all i'm interested in doing is completing the project and moving on
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04:08 PM JT-Shop: it's just the drawer fronts?
04:08 PM roycroft: yes
04:08 PM roycroft: and i can replace them easily
04:09 PM roycroft: i fitted and installed them the fast way, not the accurate way
04:09 PM roycroft: because there are so many and i did not want to spend the time doing it the accurate way
04:09 PM roycroft: i thought the fast way would be good enough
04:10 PM roycroft: note that the larger drawers are fitted much better
04:10 PM XXCoder: oh its not placement error?
04:10 PM XXCoder: cut errors?
04:10 PM roycroft: both
04:10 PM roycroft: but mostly machining errors
04:10 PM roycroft: the larger drawers were fitted individually
04:10 PM roycroft: the small ones i just mass-cut
04:11 PM roycroft: as well, i was using a new sander when i sanded the ends of the drawer fronts, and it was a lot more aggressive than i anticipated
04:11 PM roycroft: so there was a little excess material removed, and a little rounding of the edges
04:12 PM roycroft: again, the wider drawers are much nicer, because i sanded the edges by hand
04:12 PM XXCoder: rush means twice time I guess
04:12 PM roycroft: i'll be doing the sliding dovetail joinery for the systainer trays after work today
04:12 PM roycroft: and i may get those assembled and installed before the fair
04:13 PM XXCoder: nice
04:13 PM roycroft: the countertop will almost certainly have to wait until after the fair
04:13 PM roycroft: but at this point none of it really matters, because i have no idea what i'm going to do for filament to print the rest of the boxes
04:13 PM roycroft: that is at a complete standstill until the vendor responds
04:14 PM XXCoder: yeah that really sucks
04:14 PM roycroft: or until i initiate a chargeback and buy it elsewhere
04:15 PM XXCoder: I really need to do maintance on my machine
04:15 PM XXCoder: just dont feeling up to it
04:15 PM roycroft: i was hoping to get all the old fastener cabinets off the wall by the end of july so i can install my lumber racks
04:15 PM roycroft: but that's not going to be possible now
04:15 PM roycroft: i've lost too much time, and i'm not going to order filament from anywhere until after the fair, which will be the 12th
04:15 PM roycroft: i'll be lucky to get filament by the 20th
04:16 PM roycroft: and i should have been printing all this time
04:16 PM XXCoder: tried other rolls yet?
04:16 PM XXCoder: same problem or>
04:16 PM roycroft: i tried two of the silver/grey spools and they both have the same problem
04:16 PM roycroft: i don't want to open any of the others until i hear from the vendor
04:17 PM XXCoder: makes sense
04:17 PM roycroft: but i did try some atomic filament and it works fine
04:17 PM XXCoder: it really sucks that you got bad batch
04:17 PM roycroft: i have a spool of green, and i have some galvanized fasteners which need green boxes, but none of the ganvanized stuff is in the cabinets that are on the wall
04:17 PM XXCoder: because yours is only one that had problem so far I know of
04:17 PM roycroft: so while i can so a little more printing with what i have, it doesn't help the immediate problem
04:17 PM roycroft: and i'm fine with problems happening
04:18 PM roycroft: but i look at it this way
04:18 PM roycroft: if no vendor ever had any problems then customer service would be perfect for every vendor, because it would never be needed
04:18 PM XXCoder: sure problems is just part of life, im just unhappy because im one who suggested you those
04:18 PM roycroft: it's when there's a problem that you find out who the vendor really are
04:18 PM roycroft: i don't blame you at all
04:18 PM roycroft: i never would
04:18 PM roycroft: i bought a couple spools to test, and that went fine
04:19 PM XXCoder: thanks
04:19 PM roycroft: and i believe you that you've never had a problem with them
04:20 PM XXCoder: I was planning to reorder 2 blue rolls and one army green but was waiting for resupply. now im not certain if I will
04:21 PM roycroft: i'll keep you posted on what they do about my problem
04:22 PM roycroft: i'm not happy about having $250 tied up in filament that i can't use, and that there's a chance i won't get that money back
04:22 PM roycroft: but i'm more unhappy that i do not have filament to print with right now
04:22 PM JT-Shop: I must admit it's quite impressive
04:22 PM roycroft: what is?
04:22 PM JT-Shop: your cabinet
04:22 PM roycroft: oh
04:23 PM roycroft: other than the crappy drawer front alignment, i think it turned out ok
04:23 PM roycroft: that whole unit, five cabinets, cost me about $2500 in materials
04:23 PM roycroft: if i had bought the nice metal cabinets with all the drawers like that they would have been $1500-$2000 each
04:24 PM XXCoder: certainly nice job
04:24 PM roycroft: oh, my ali express order is allegedly out for delivery today
04:25 PM roycroft: it went from not shipped to out for delivery overnight
04:25 PM roycroft: maybe i'll go load some green filament so that the printer can at least be doing something while i'm waiting on the vendor
04:26 PM roycroft: actually, i have a half a spool of black still, and i have some more black oxide fasteners in the wall cabinets
04:26 PM roycroft: so that is what i should print next
04:27 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Lista cabinets go for 200-400 each at auction. The machinery auctions are a dangerous thing, I just about bought a 18x60 lathe because it was such a good deal đ Also, why I have 4 4th axis units.
04:27 PM XXCoder: lol
04:29 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: $1350 for a good condition 18x60 lathe! Just because I have no space for it is no reason not to get it, right?
04:30 PM XXCoder: doctor who might have solution for you ;)
04:31 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: What is the floor loading capacity of the Tardis? Does it have 12" of concrete on 12" of compacted gravel?
04:32 PM XXCoder: lend you their tardis? never! might expand one of your rooms though lol
04:34 PM roycroft: it's more like 1/4 spool of black
04:34 PM roycroft: but i can get some boxes made anyway
04:34 PM roycroft: i'll be less pissed off about the filament situation if i'm printing
04:39 PM XXCoder: i want to print rotatary thing finally, but need to do maintance and thats holding me back lol
04:39 PM XXCoder: and yeah
04:40 PM roycroft: so i loaded the spool of black atomic filament in the printer and it's going to town making some boxes now
04:41 PM roycroft: the problem is that i have enough filament to print 3-5 boxes, and i need about 50
04:41 PM roycroft: but i'm printing, so that's something
04:42 PM XXCoder: black is often made from recycled failed filament plus fresh pla pellets plus black colorant
04:42 PM roycroft: and i'm about to take off work a few minutes early, because nothing is going on at work, and i want to get those systainer trays done
04:42 PM roycroft: and tonight is the weird al concert
04:42 PM roycroft: atomic never use recycled pla in their filament
04:43 PM roycroft: they always use virgin materials
04:43 PM roycroft: i'm not sure that there's any problem reusing failed pla filament
04:43 PM roycroft: but they don't do that
04:43 PM XXCoder: yeah atomic. high end
04:44 PM XXCoder: "alter-abled" interesting way to put it
04:44 PM XXCoder: I guess I can get $5 discount if I decide to go
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nMnr8ZirI
04:46 PM XXCoder: new primative tech video!
04:46 PM XXCoder: well im all fueled up and ready to almost kill myself by mowing. be back in maybe 2 hours
04:54 PM JT-Shop: LOL I've used all my data for the month...
04:55 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: june or july?
04:55 PM JT-Shop: june lol
04:55 PM JT-Shop: so I don't care LOL
04:56 PM JT-Shop: roguish[m], where did you see my spiral cut? I forget where it's at
04:58 PM roguish[m]: [it's on the forum, in ](https://forum.linuxcnc.org/subroutine-library/27513-polar-spiral)
04:59 PM Tom_L: lively day
05:00 PM JT-Shop: thanks
05:00 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what variable do you set in the ini to set the axis display parameters?
05:00 PM Tom_L: on the preview screen
05:01 PM JT-Shop: roguish[m], https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003L96WOU I just put a pair of these on the front wheel of the ebike
05:01 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, the view at startup?
05:01 PM Tom_L: i think so
05:01 PM Tom_L: showing the work offsets etc
05:02 PM roguish[m]: hey, whatever helps ya stop in time.....
05:02 PM JT-Shop: those are all menu items
05:02 PM Tom_L: hmm
05:02 PM JT-Shop: those stop 1000% better than the stock ones
05:02 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: in the menu you can turn some on and off
05:03 PM Tom_L: i guess mine shows them too but i never payed attention to it since mine always loads the default ngc file too
05:03 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I "think" I got the desktop to be in the CNC menu now
05:03 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshots/Rotary_Axis_screenshot.png
05:03 PM Tom_L: how did i miss that???
05:03 PM JT-Shop: the view in axis has many settings
05:04 PM Tom_L: where does it save them?
05:04 PM JT-Shop: ~/.axisrc
05:04 PM JT-Shop: hmm no ~/.axis-preferences
05:05 PM Tom_L: oh, you moved your tool to the CNC menu?
05:05 PM Tom_L: i'll try it later on
05:05 PM Tom_L: is that in the /usr/something directory?
05:05 PM JT-Shop: no, I fixed my desktop file so it goes where I wanted it
05:06 PM JT-Shop: what?
05:06 PM Tom_L: the axis settings
05:06 PM JT-Shop: your home directory
05:06 PM Tom_L: ok
05:06 PM JT-Shop: ~ means home
05:06 PM Tom_L: ~ means ~ to me :)
05:06 PM JT-Shop: gotta show hidden files to see it
05:06 PM JT-Shop: LOL
05:07 PM Tom_L: no speakie linux
05:07 PM Tom_L: i figured it was probably hidden
05:07 PM JT-Shop: stick around we'll learns ya
05:07 PM Tom_L: i'm a slow one
05:08 PM * JT-Shop wanders out to the other shop to check the glue up
05:09 PM Tom_L: i really should remove the default ngc file on startup. i don't know how many times i've tried to run it accidentally
05:12 PM JT-Shop2: that's easy
05:14 PM JT-Shop: hmm I thought I had an option to not load a splash file... I will soon
05:15 PM JT-Shop: OPEN_FILE = /full/path/to/file.ngc - The file to show in the preview plot when AXIS starts. Use a blank string "" and no file will be loaded at start up. gmoccapy will not use this setting, as it offers a corresponding entry on its settings page.
05:16 PM JT-Shop: [DISPLAY] section
05:16 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#_display_section
05:20 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: if you have Features ( or NativeCAM whatever it's called) the OPEN_FILE will not show. it will show what ever is in Features
05:20 PM roguish[m]: kinda a PITA
05:20 PM JT-Shop: both of those are bit rotten I think
05:22 PM roguish[m]: I use em. they're handy.............but would rather use yours
05:22 PM JT-Shop: why do you use them?
05:23 PM roguish[m]: I got used to them
05:24 PM JT-Shop: I can understand that
05:25 PM roguish[m]: honestly, I only use a few operations...... surfacing, pockets, drilling holes. nothing really complicated or fancy. probably only 20% of what can be done.....
05:27 PM roguish[m]: one convenient thing is that you can save out a setup operation, then read it in later.....
05:28 PM roguish[m]: I know that's not necessarily a trivial thing to include.
05:28 PM JT-Shop: should be straight forward to add
05:28 PM roguish[m]: but it's handy
05:29 PM roguish[m]: it's got grouping and nesting and stuff. i don't use that
05:29 PM JT-Shop: can you add a issue as an improvement
05:30 PM roguish[m]: single operation at a time
05:30 PM roguish[m]: what do you mean?
05:30 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mill-gcode/issues
05:32 PM roguish[m]: DONE
05:32 PM roguish[m]: https://github.com/jethornton/mill-gcode/issues/1#issue-1290701630
05:32 PM JT-Shop: now add one to add spiral
05:32 PM JT-Shop: aye I'm looking at it
05:33 PM roguish[m]: https://github.com/jethornton/mill-gcode/issues/2#issue-1290702098
05:33 PM JT-Shop: now when the issue is closed you will get an email
05:34 PM roguish[m]: you're so officias
05:34 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:34 PM roguish[m]: just poking ya
05:35 PM JT-Shop: gotta try harder to poke me
05:35 PM roguish[m]: got a booster jab yesterday. arm is hurting. a bit of brain fog
05:35 PM roguish[m]: but don't feel sick
05:36 PM JT-Shop: a second one?
05:36 PM roguish[m]: yes
05:36 PM JT-Shop: https://uvbeast.com/products/uvbeast-new-v3-365nm-black-light-uv-flashlight-filtered-ultraviolet-rechargeable-18650-high-power-and-long-range-professional-grade-beam-best-for-professional-commercial-use-usa-stock
05:36 PM JT-Shop: hmm, I need to check on that
05:36 PM JT-Shop: I just got that big game tobacco hornworm hunting light
05:38 PM roguish[m]: hunting hornworms?
05:38 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:38 PM roguish[m]: whatever.
05:38 PM JT-Shop: if you don't you don't get any tomatoes
05:40 PM roycroft: well, i can report that i have received an order from ali express that is on time, complete, and not defective
05:40 PM roycroft: this is a first for me
05:40 PM JT-Shop: wow
05:41 PM roycroft: i can also report that the honing guide for my bridge city block plane has arrived
05:42 PM roycroft: they are a model of customer service
05:44 PM * roycroft heads back to the shop now
05:46 PM roycroft: or not
05:46 PM roycroft: i need to install the high-rise fence on my incra ls positioner, and i haven't used it in ears
05:46 PM roycroft: years
05:46 PM * JT-Shop leaves the 18650's in the charger for the night and heads inside
05:46 PM roycroft: it's not making sense how to set it up
05:47 PM JT-Shop: the uvBeast will be ready for pre-Dawn patrol
05:48 PM roycroft: aah, i have more parts to find
05:48 PM roycroft: that's why it's not making sense
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06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: show up not only the wrong parts but also bent
06:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: seller says they only accepts unopened returns
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well you don't know if it's wrong until you open it :)
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah sure I'm going to x-ray the package first
06:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 0.1" copper, takes a bit of force to do that
06:31 PM XXCoder: yeah im "near death" again "yay"
06:31 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: nice.
06:32 PM XXCoder: I remember suggesting you on light, though you knew of it
06:32 PM XXCoder: its been a while. seem one youre getting is much nicer
06:33 PM XXCoder: way too expensive for me
06:33 PM roguish[m]: XXCoder: do you still have the crud?
06:33 PM XXCoder: what crud? sorry my thinking is bit muddled now after 2 hours of constant visual assult
06:34 PM roguish[m]: the Covid Crud
06:34 PM XXCoder: oh dont know if I am having covid or not
06:34 PM XXCoder: *long covid
06:34 PM XXCoder: its been 2 years
06:35 PM roguish[m]: well that sucks. hang in there
06:37 PM XXCoder: thanks
06:41 PM XXCoder: roguish[m]: its silly how much vison not tracking affect my life
06:47 PM XXCoder: roycroft: congats on successful aliexpress order
07:08 PM roycroft: my sliding dovetails don't quite slide
07:08 PM roycroft: a tiny bit of work with a paring chisel and they fit perfectly
07:08 PM XXCoder: nice
07:09 PM roycroft: yes, that's what i was going for
07:09 PM roycroft: machining a couple thousandths too tight, so i could clean it up to perfection
07:09 PM roycroft: i have one more machining operation to go and then i can start finishing and assembling the systainer trays
07:10 PM roycroft: unless something goes horribly wrong elsewhere, such as at work or at the fair, i should have no problem installing all those trays by the end of this weekend
07:10 PM roycroft: and then the cabinets will be fully functional
07:28 PM Tom_L: just in time to pop some fireworks!
07:29 PM * Tom_L says sarcastically
08:38 PM roycroft: hmm, emo philips is the warmup act tonight
08:38 PM roycroft: i find him rather annoying
08:38 PM roycroft: perhaps i'll be fashionably late to the show
08:38 PM XXCoder: lol
08:39 PM XXCoder: is there such thing as fasionably no show?
08:39 PM * roycroft may be able to glue up the first systainer tray if he's fashionably late
08:39 PM roycroft: well i'd kind of like to see weird al, so i think i'll show up eventually
08:39 PM roycroft: i'm not a huge fan of weird al, but a friend of mine is
08:39 PM roycroft: the friend who was supposed to go but is now in rehab after breaking his leg and his arm
08:40 PM roycroft: but if i have a ticket for weird al i want to go
09:02 PM roycroft: well, the first tray is glued up, and if i get ready fairly quickly i won't even be late to the show
09:02 PM XXCoder: cool :)
09:04 PM roycroft: yeah, so i can get another 3 trays glued up tomorrow and installed on saturday, then the other four glued up on saturday and installed on sunday
09:06 PM roycroft: and my festool chaos will be neatly organized
09:06 PM roycroft: no more having to remove a half dozen systainers from a stack to get to the one on the bottom
09:06 PM roycroft: no more stacks of systainers in the middle of the shop to trip over
09:07 PM * roycroft starts another print and then heads off to the show
11:31 PM miss0r: mornin'
11:32 PM XXCoder: yo
11:33 PM miss0r: busy day in the shop. I have to complete the brackets for mounting automated doors on 12 CNC lathes. I made the most complicated one out of three yesterday. I think I should be able to make the two remaining ones today. Then come next week - installation
11:36 PM XXCoder: nice
11:37 PM miss0r: well.. yes and no :) This is a jobshop. Series of 12 is usualy more than I want to do. But This is a good client, so I am stretching my self a bit.
11:37 PM miss0r: I like doing the complicated one-ofs
11:38 PM XXCoder: cool :)
11:38 PM XXCoder: today, i made yard grass slightly shorter
11:39 PM miss0r: hehe. I did that last weekend... Poor lawnmower :D
11:39 PM XXCoder: it really sucked. not a large yard but took me 2 hours anyway lol
11:41 PM miss0r: same for me.. well, I was done with the lawn mowing after 1Ŋ hour, but using the edge trimmer took 30 additional minuts
11:41 PM XXCoder: lol I dont bother with that
11:41 PM XXCoder: my vision would shake so much with trimmer its not usable for me
11:43 PM miss0r: my trimmer is having issues. Its only two years old, but the gasoline has managed to dissolve the feed & return hose for the carb. Almost ruined my pants.
11:43 PM miss0r: Only found out after though :D
11:45 PM XXCoder: ow. I used to use gas mowers for years, bnever had any issues
11:45 PM XXCoder: dont use any now
11:45 PM miss0r: I guess you get what you pay for :] who would've known
11:46 PM XXCoder: yeah. electric one im using is doing great so far
11:46 PM XXCoder: its bit weaker, but ultimately makes little difference
11:49 PM miss0r: well, considering my level of motivation(lack of) the edge trimmer needs to be VERY powerful. The stuff I put it through two times a year when the garden demon posesses me is not for the faint of heart
11:49 PM XXCoder: lol
11:49 PM XXCoder: thankfully trimmer is heartless ;)
11:50 PM miss0r: yeah :D
11:51 PM miss0r: anyway. back to work
11:51 PM * miss0r inserts audio book & starts cutting raw stock
11:51 PM XXCoder: have fun