#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 27 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:17 AM Deejay: moin
02:10 AM travis_farmer: G'Morning
04:41 AM Tom_L: morning
04:53 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:53 AM JT-Cave: Tobacco Hornworms 0 JT 4
05:00 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, sserial data is saved but not read back in when you reopen the ini
05:00 AM JT-Cave: ok
05:00 AM t4nk_freenode: morning Tom_L, and morning killer ;)
05:00 AM Tom_L: no config for sserial now either. plug n go on the 7i96s
05:01 AM Tom_L: can't see the pins with readhmid but can with halshow
05:02 AM JT-Cave: no config?
05:03 AM Tom_L: nope
05:03 AM JT-Cave: don't understand
05:03 AM Tom_L: try one
05:03 AM JT-Cave: I just did
05:03 AM Tom_L: wired it up and plugged it in and the pins are in halshow
05:04 AM JT-Cave: back to
05:04 AM JT-Cave: <Tom_L> no config for sserial now either. what do you mean?
05:05 AM Tom_L: no config = sserial_port_0 required now in the ini
05:06 AM Tom_L: the pins for the 7i84 show up without one
05:07 AM JT-Cave: well crap wonder why they did that...
05:07 AM JT-Cave: in the ini or hal file?
05:07 AM Tom_L: probably because it's an all in one
05:07 AM Tom_L: neither one
05:08 AM Tom_L: the pins show up in halshow
05:08 AM JT-Cave: sserial_port_N (N = 0 .. 3) [optional, default: 00000000 for all ports]
05:09 AM Tom_L: where's that?
05:09 AM JT-Cave: man hostmot2
05:09 AM Tom_L: for 2.9?
05:09 AM JT-Cave: yup
05:10 AM Tom_L: i dunno, maybe you need a config to activate them? but they're in halshow without one
05:11 AM JT-Cave: I'll connect a ss tomorrow, going to be in a rush this morning wife has an early dr appointment in Cape Girardeau
05:11 AM Tom_L: i'll do more checking on it this evening
05:11 AM JT-Cave: ss cards should just show up without anything extra
05:12 AM Tom_L: it used to require the config = sserial_port_x before
05:13 AM Tom_L: and prior to that you had to load the bit file from the ini on old cards
05:13 AM Tom_L: now they're in eeprom
05:15 AM Tom_L: The sserial_port_0=0XXX configuration string sets some options for the smart serial daughter card. These options are specific for each daughter card.
05:15 AM Tom_L: from the 2.8 docs
05:16 AM JT-Cave: yup but you don't need to have that unless you need an option
05:41 AM JT-Cave: mesaflash --device 7i96s --addr --readhmid
05:41 AM JT-Cave: I don't see the sscard
05:55 AM JT-Cave: hmm I might not have my 7i92 wired up correctly I don't see it in halshow
05:55 AM JT-Cave: hmm I see an orange connector so it must need power
06:05 AM JT-Cave: --readhmid does not show sscard pins
06:08 AM JT-Cave: mesaflash --device 7i96s --addr --sserial
06:08 AM JT-Cave: lbp16_access.send_packet: Operation not permitted
06:37 AM JT-Cave: I see that I never finished the smart serial card hal... :(
06:46 AM Tom_L: field power
08:19 AM JT-Cave: I did get sserial output hal fixed, I guess I never finished it...
08:42 AM * travis_farmer heads out to workshop to see if he can get the tool sensor probe to work again...
09:39 AM * travis_farmer is back inside - started raining, and the in-shed humidity rocketed up...
09:44 AM roycroft: it's a lovely morning here
09:45 AM roycroft: sunny, about 17 degrees, with a high of 32
09:45 AM roycroft: and the extended forecast now goes out through the country fair, and it's perfect - mid 20s, sunny, and no chance of rain during the fair
09:46 AM roycroft: or before the fair
09:50 AM travis_farmer: i got my tool sensor probe working at least... i thought it was active-high logic, but it was active-low (directions were wrong). now i just have to get my 3d probe connected and working, when the humidity comes down...
10:49 AM JT[m]: Tom_L looks like I have a bit of work to do on smart serial
10:55 AM JT[m]: I have a 7i70 and a 7i72 I can test with
11:21 AM jdh: anyone know what LF vs. HP means for carbide inserts? (these are kennametal)
11:24 AM Rab: From their site, looks like Light Finishing vs High Positive [rake face}.
11:24 AM Rab: https://www.kennametal.com/us/en/products/fam.positive-inserts-vbgt-lf.100002953.html https://www.kennametal.com/us/en/products/fam.vbgt-hp.100002954.html
11:27 AM Rab: That seems to apply across a couple of types...VBGT, CCGT
11:27 AM jdh: They have a chart of all the other specifiers
11:34 AM {HD}_ is now known as {HD}
12:51 PM Tom_L: JT[m], 7i84 7i71 here
12:52 PM Tom_L: i think that's all the sserial anyway
12:52 PM Tom_L: need to figure out how to load new firmware on one, never tried that
01:20 PM Loetmichel: Some american car enthusiasts here? Saw a chevy Blazer S10 from '98 with 140k miles for 4300 eur on mobile.de . Buy or not? will that last a bit longer?
01:22 PM unterhaus: chevys are made to run 30000 miles because that's how long the executives own them before they can get a discount on another
01:23 PM unterhaus: I need a 5/8" 18tpi bolt. I thought stainless might be nice, but $2 each vs $15 each makes that decision a lot easier
01:24 PM unterhaus: $2 for black oxide
01:24 PM Rab: Loetmichel, last longer than what?
01:25 PM Loetmichel: Rab: i meant: does that engine/suspension typically has another 50k miles or so life in it?
01:25 PM Rab: Loetmichel, that seems like a pretty good price for an import, if it's in good shape.
01:25 PM Rab: Yeah, I would think so.
01:26 PM Rab: Note that a Blazer is short-bed, it's not a full pickup truck.
01:27 PM Rab: It's more of a recreational than a utility vehicle (although there is plenty of utility to be gained).
01:28 PM Loetmichel: its a cab
01:28 PM Loetmichel: not a pickup
01:28 PM Rab: right
01:28 PM Rab: Fuel economy is probably not great.
01:29 PM Loetmichel: Ford/dodge/chevy pickups are basically unobtanium here in germany.
01:29 PM Loetmichel: <- would like to buy an old F150... but those are simply not aviable here
01:29 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Can you get parts easily there?
01:30 PM Rab: Yeah...one consideration is that something like an S10 is super maintainable here because the parts are very cheap and common.
01:30 PM Loetmichel: ZincBoy[CAON]066: we have ford dealerships and chevy as well
01:30 PM Loetmichel: should be no problem
01:31 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Yes, but do they stock the NA parts? I know the EU models are quite different from NA and some things are not in some markets.
01:32 PM Rab: Looks like a lot of plastic on a 1998 compared to e.g. 1988 model (now considered a classic). So you'll want to make sure that body & trim have not degraded.
01:32 PM Loetmichel: it is an EU model
01:34 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Then I would expect you to be fine. I am surprised they sold those in EU.
01:34 PM Rab: Loetmichel, this truck may not be applicable to the Autobahn.
01:34 PM Loetmichel: Rab: why do you think so?
01:38 PM Rab: Loetmichel, probably not too comfortable or safe over about 125km/h.
01:39 PM Loetmichel: yeah, i imagine its safer to drive behind the semis at 90kph
01:39 PM Loetmichel: also better for the fuel consumption
01:40 PM Loetmichel: i wouldnt know any biiig cab/pickup thats much better in that regard though
01:40 PM Loetmichel: especially not the american ones
01:40 PM Loetmichel: i was looking at toyota hilux a bit but those are even more unobtanium than the F150
01:47 PM Rab: I think the Hilux is a much better vehicle, but if you can't get it, you can't get it.
01:48 PM Rab: https://www.greydynamics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/IMG_7411.jpg
01:50 PM Loetmichel: yep, those things are famed for being used in the middle east for LMG mounts
01:51 PM Loetmichel: s/lmg/HMG
02:30 PM Rab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqa2grG0XtA
03:56 PM Tom_L: JT[m], --sserial just shows the card info but not the pins
04:21 PM XXCoder: printed this yeserday. pretty fun https://www.printables.com/model/231986-sumiyoshi-double-tendon
04:22 PM XXCoder: second part is well bit crappy print qualty. think need to clean out hotend lol
04:44 PM JT-Shop: long day here
04:45 PM travis_farmer853: at least the end is near 😉
06:49 PM roycroft: *whew* i'm done installing all the small drawer fronts
06:49 PM XXCoder: yay!
06:49 PM roycroft: i just have the bigger ones, and there are only five of them, to go and then i'm done
06:49 PM roycroft: yeah
06:49 PM roycroft: except they look like crap
06:49 PM roycroft: i cut them all at the same setting instead of adjusting per drawer
06:50 PM roycroft: and also did a couple other shortcut techniques that saved a lot of time but at the expense of accuracy
06:50 PM roycroft: as well, i absolutely hate the drawer pulls
06:50 PM roycroft: but these are shop cabinets, and i can live with them, for a while at least
06:51 PM roycroft: i may redo all the drawer fronts and pulls eventually, but only when i am bored
06:51 PM roycroft: so probably never :)
06:51 PM XXCoder: lol well nothing as perment as temp fixes ;)
06:52 PM roycroft: i still have the countertop and a trim piece to make, not to mention the systainer trays
06:52 PM roycroft: this is likely not going to be finished before the fair, but it will be close
06:53 PM roycroft: and i'm ok with that
06:53 PM XXCoder: just had a thought. wonder if its workable. essentally, plant magnets at grid pattern under countertop
06:53 PM XXCoder: so screws etc probably wont roll all way off
06:53 PM roycroft: i won't be putting things on the counter top that would roll off
06:54 PM roycroft: it's 4' high
06:54 PM roycroft: it is a good idea, though, and something i would consider in other applications
06:54 PM XXCoder: interesting idea yeah but dunno how annoying it would be, with metal stuff and tools
06:54 PM XXCoder: maybe specific marked off spots
06:55 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Would develop little piles of steel chips, grinding and plasma dust.
06:55 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: In my shop at least 🙂
06:55 PM XXCoder: yeah. his is wood shop so less likely to have that issue
06:56 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: For a wood shop it would be fine. Just use the precision level to get the top dead level and things won't roll off 🙂
07:00 PM XXCoder: zinc sure but then im also sure it'd be pretty convient I think
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07:16 PM XXCoder: hm some matrix server must have went down, taking some of discord linked
07:17 PM XXCoder: yeah bridges down for now
07:17 PM xxcoder8265[m]: ping
07:17 PM XXCoder: oh back now
07:17 PM Tom_L: seems kinda flakey lately
07:18 PM XXCoder: its one way now. discord isnt getting anything new from here now
07:18 PM XXCoder: tom think matrix is having issues
07:18 PM Tom_L: nothing new
07:18 PM XXCoder: discord is getting text still, just exremely slowly. fun.
07:18 PM XXCoder: well its still far better than last one anyway lol with no bridge at al
07:20 PM XXCoder: ah unsplit is starting it seems
07:50 PM XXCoder: hm
08:26 PM unterhaus: that's all discord users, right?
08:27 PM XXCoder: more or less
08:27 PM XXCoder: bot dont add users that havent spoken since join, and remove ones that havent talked for 30 days
08:27 PM XXCoder: they can still read text from here and matrix however
08:28 PM * roycroft is not a fan of discord
08:28 PM roycroft: being an old hippie, i'm all about harmony
08:30 PM roycroft: i had installing the drawer fronts for the 128mm and 192mm drawers on the schedule for tomorrow, but i also have to work on our fair booth tomorrow
08:30 PM roycroft: so i'm doing them today
08:30 PM roycroft: the 128mm ones are done
08:30 PM roycroft: and even if it pushes making noise out past 9pm, i'm going to get the 192mm ones done
08:30 PM roycroft: the law says be quiet by 11
08:30 PM roycroft: 9 is my personal noise curfue
08:30 PM XXCoder: that seems reasonable
08:31 PM XXCoder: if you was my neighbor youre free to run shop at 2 am lol
08:31 PM roycroft: my neighbors will be shooting off fireworks and making noise well past 11 in a few days
08:31 PM XXCoder: (assuming no oppositing neighbots)
08:31 PM roycroft: and i won't complain
08:31 PM roycroft: i actually don't have a problem with that aspect of fireworks
08:31 PM roycroft: although it does bother my cat a lot
08:32 PM roycroft: but it's the bottle rockets that land in my yard and on my roof that bother me
08:32 PM roycroft: which are illegal in the first place
08:32 PM XXCoder: wonder if putting blankets on window and walls would deaden sound enough for cat for that day
08:32 PM roycroft: but extreme fire hazards more importantly
08:32 PM roycroft: i just stay home on the 4th to try to keep the pets somewhat calm
08:32 PM XXCoder: I'd water yards (very rare times I would) and spray stuff
08:33 PM roycroft: and to be ready to put out fires in my yard
08:33 PM roycroft: although this year that won't be an issue
08:33 PM roycroft: even with our warm spell, it won't be bone dry by monday next
08:34 PM roycroft: i did not batch mill my wider drawer fronts, btw, and the 128mm ones are fitting very nicely
08:34 PM XXCoder: "Firecrackers, bottle rockets, sky rockets, and missiles are illegal to sell, possess, and/or discharge within the state, according to the Washington State Fire Marshal's Office. "
08:34 PM XXCoder: not too bad. im sure some will bring em from reservations but yeah
08:34 PM roycroft: but if i replace the drawer fronts i'll have to replace them all, as i need continuous grain patterns that can only come from individual boards
08:35 PM roycroft: yes
08:35 PM roycroft: when i lived in bellingham the lummi reservation was 10 minutes north of town
08:35 PM roycroft: that's where a large number of folks went to purchase illegal fireworks
08:35 PM XXCoder: not great. any people shooting up into sky?
08:36 PM roycroft: we've cancelled the fireworks display at the country fair this year
08:36 PM roycroft: and there's been a lot of pushback on that
08:36 PM roycroft: but we've cancelled and/or scaled down a lot of things
08:36 PM CloudEvil: Jhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnp1UkkUMbA&t=13s I have in the past used as ambient music to mask stuff while sleeping
08:36 PM roycroft: this is a recovery year
08:36 PM CloudEvil: I wonder if you can ramp this slowly up for pets
08:37 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNrK-n68CM
08:37 PM roycroft: there's some nice ambient music to sleep by :)
08:37 PM XXCoder: id probvably use music if I wasnt deaf lol
08:39 PM roycroft: well mine sounds like it looks
08:39 PM roycroft: so you can imagine
08:41 PM XXCoder: not really, I never heard in life
08:42 PM XXCoder: so theres no basis of comprasion. like "well sound youre hearing, red is like that" to total blind since birth for example
08:43 PM XXCoder: I suppose I can try using feeling with speakers etc but its very diffult to
08:51 PM roycroft: so i guess you may not be able to relate, but the music to that video is very "smooth" and "mellow"
08:52 PM roycroft: the lyrics are essentially:
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08:53 PM roycroft: da-da-da-da, la-la-la-la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la
08:54 PM roycroft: oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh, ye-ye-ye-ye-ye
08:54 PM roycroft: and it goes on like that
08:55 PM roycroft: but yeah, i can get that if you've never heard, it would be difficult to imagine what singing sounds like
08:55 PM XXCoder: yeah. i wouldnt be sure how to explain red to blind either
08:56 PM roycroft: maybe some lsd would help that :)
08:56 PM XXCoder: lol
09:01 PM Tom_L: what's a good gui for git?
09:02 PM XXCoder: terminal ;) honestly dunno
09:02 PM XXCoder: each time I need to, I usually google term commands
09:04 PM Tom_L: guess i really don't need one, i'm not developing anything
09:04 PM roycroft: i don't think there is a good git gui, on the client side
09:04 PM Tom_L: didn't know if it would allow viewing source easier
09:04 PM XXCoder: there should be version viewers out there
09:05 PM roycroft: on the server side, i think gitlab is the best web-based interface
09:05 PM XXCoder: similiar to how github shows version changes, or full text versions of
09:05 PM roycroft: s/is/has/
09:05 PM roycroft: even though 98% of what gitlab does i don't need
09:05 PM XXCoder: I do like gitlab
09:05 PM solarwind: gitlab is decent, we use it. But I'm planning to switch it to this: https://gitea.io/en-us/
09:05 PM roycroft: i run a gitlab server anyway, because of how nice the 2% that i use works
09:05 PM XXCoder: ironically using github login. surpised they allowed that
09:05 PM solarwind: because gitlab is insanely bloated
09:06 PM roycroft: i tried gitea, and went back to gitlab
09:06 PM roycroft: it is
09:06 PM roycroft: but i can ignore almost all of the bloat
09:07 PM roycroft: i spent a couple years looking at replacements for the rcs/cvs setup that i've been using since the early '90s, and landed on gitlab in the end
09:08 PM XXCoder: I use github because well thats what existed in mid-late 2000
11:06 PM roycroft: well, it's after 9, and i have one drawer front to go, but it's going to be a tricky one to fit, so i'm going to wait until tomorrow for that
11:06 PM roycroft: i'll be able to get it installed at lunch time, so i'll still be on schedule
11:06 PM * roycroft is quite pleased to be on the last one
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