#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 23 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:03 AM Deejay: moin
01:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the doc format has changed since the howto and my last build... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f1439cba3ad5d4b49e485532fcb47fae22b3de40)
01:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: po4a 0.62 is in bullseye
01:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 0.66 is not in bullseye-backports
01:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 😢
01:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: silopolis: how we fix?
01:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Linuxcnc 2.9pre on Debian 11 - Bullseye
04:29 AM Tom_L: morning
04:30 AM travis-farmer: G'Morning... had to completely reset my Cable internet router... somebody hacked it and changed settings so WiFi no longer worked... but i just got it fixed, and am working to get everything setup again... with a different password this time
04:38 AM XXCoder: fun
04:38 AM XXCoder: router hve remote configuration still disabled?
04:39 AM travis-farmer: the ISP requires remote config enabled, so i just changed that password
04:40 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, roy asked me to have you check your email when you get around this morning
04:41 AM XXCoder: hope its long and ugly
04:41 AM travis-farmer: yeah it is, i wrote it down because even i wouldn't remember it ;)
04:42 AM XXCoder: good lol
04:42 AM travis-farmer: hope not to have to do that again ;)
04:43 AM XXCoder: well oiff to collect Zs. laters
04:43 AM travis-farmer: later
04:51 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:56 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:12 AM JT-Cave: I use a python program to generate random passwords
05:14 AM travis-farmer: i used random key presses of letters, numbers, and symbols, so likely near the same quality.
05:17 AM travis-farmer: i think what did it, was when i shutdown the website server, it exposed the remote access port on the router, that is on the port 80. so with the better password, plus i got permission to keep my website going... so the port 80 on the router is now sent back to my webserver. just an odd number of issues with unexpected results.
07:47 AM travis_farmer853: there... finally got back online...
07:47 AM travis_farmer853: my windows computer keeps freezing (Windows Explorer service), so i switched to my Debian 11 Linux laptop, but i forgot i had not installed Discord on it yet... just took a while getting everything logged in...
09:01 AM JT-MachineShop: I might order a couple of rolls of petg from atomic now that my printer works
09:06 AM roycroft: hi folks
09:06 AM roycroft: jt-machineshop: the email problem automagically fixed itself?
09:12 AM JT-MachineShop: no, I had to change from gmail to gnipsel because gmail turned off less secure access in March
09:12 AM JT-MachineShop: I guess it took a while for the change to work
09:12 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:19 AM JT-Shop: https://atomicfilament.com/collections/petg-3d-printer-filament-us-made-with-free-shipping/products/table-top-ball-bearing-spool-holder?variant=14029966409789
09:19 AM travis_farmer853: there is a way to override that, but i don't remember. my forum uses gmail for it's email
09:21 AM travis_farmer853: i checked and i use pop and SMTP access, looks like it has help docs: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7104828?hl=en&visit_id=637915907569636141-1277125999&rd=1
09:21 AM roycroft: oh, ok
09:21 AM roycroft: i wan't sure from your emails if you had actually done something or not
09:22 AM roycroft: you're using postfix, not sendmail, btw
09:22 AM roycroft: postfix is what i'm using for new mail servers now
09:22 AM JT-Shop2: right, I switched from sendmail to SMTP
09:23 AM roycroft: sendmail *is* smtp
09:23 AM roycroft: as is postfix
09:23 AM roycroft: smtp is the protocol
09:23 AM roycroft: anyway, you can configure gmail to accept mail from "less secure" clients
09:23 AM roycroft: by "less secure" they mean "not us"
09:24 AM roycroft: but you can leave it as it is, since it's now working
09:24 AM travis_farmer853: my postfix works, but as i have a dynamic IP (using no-ip.com to DynDNS my domain name) most emails won't be accepted mainstream, as it is viewed as a SPAM source.
09:25 AM roycroft: yup
09:25 AM JT-Shop2: I attempted to configure gmail to accept from less secure but it didn't help
09:25 AM roycroft: i host email for my personal domains using a vps at vultr.com
09:25 AM roycroft: that's odd
09:26 AM JT-Shop2: it's worked in the past for sure but not this time
09:26 AM roycroft: i just ran into that for the nextcloud server i recently set up for the country fair, and making the change at gmail fixed it
09:26 AM roycroft: hmm
09:26 AM travis_farmer853: maybe mine dies too, JT, let me check...
09:26 AM JT-Shop2: I might try again tomorrow
09:27 AM roycroft: anyway, you have a work-around at least
09:27 AM roycroft: so that's good
09:27 AM JT-Shop2: roycroft: I sent you the tail var/log/something and it showed gmail still being used and refused
09:27 AM roycroft: i haven't logged into the forum account
09:27 AM JT-Shop2: yup
09:27 AM roycroft: yes, i saw that
09:27 AM roycroft: you can delete the forum account if you want, or you can leave it in case you need me to look at something again in the future
09:28 AM JT-Shop2: I'll just leave it and for now your registered
09:28 AM roycroft: ok, i'll log in and make sure it works
09:28 AM travis_farmer853: just got an email from my server, "You are receiving this test email from travis_farmer at TJFHOME.net." so it still works. i will look into it and see if i can find what i did.
09:28 AM travis_farmer853: ok
09:28 AM roycroft: and reset the password to something that hasn't been emailed
09:28 AM JT-Shop2: ok
09:30 AM JT-Shop: I swear there was an adapter to drive the fiberglass posts in the ground for a hot wire
09:30 AM roycroft: i have an unprivileged account on the forum already
09:31 AM roycroft: you may be using a smart relay, travis_farmer853
09:31 AM roycroft: that's how one normally sets up smtp servers in dynamic ip space
09:34 AM roycroft: ok, i can log in fine
09:34 AM roycroft: and i've reset the password
09:34 AM JT-Shop: good
09:35 AM roycroft: but the mail problem lies with gmail, not joomla
09:35 AM JT-Shop: yep
09:35 AM roycroft: bastards
09:35 AM JT-Shop: agree
09:36 AM roycroft: they're just doing this to try to force everyone to use gmail
09:36 AM * roycroft thinks it's time for his morning cappuccino
09:38 AM travis_farmer853: i don't know, i SMTP out through Gmail, is all i know
09:38 AM JT-Shop: I guess I was just dreaming about the adapter for the fiberglass posts...
09:43 AM roycroft: so gmail is your smart host
09:44 AM CloudEvil: You basically have to smarthost for the last decade or everyone drops your email on the floor
09:47 AM roycroft: i still operate my own smtp server that does not use a smarthost
09:48 AM roycroft: but it's a vps at vultr.com, not hosted in my office
09:48 AM roycroft: most vps providers block incoming port 25, so that's not even an option for most folks
09:49 AM roycroft: vultr block it by default, but i was able to get them to open it for me
10:00 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:33 AM roycroft: are you about, jt-wherever?
11:24 AM roycroft: well my slush fund is now all but depleted, but i shall have a new toy that i've wanted for years soon - a festool domino
11:24 AM roycroft: there was just one on the festool recon site, for the first time in like 3 or 4 years
11:30 AM CloudEvil: :)
11:30 AM CloudEvil: How much discount?
11:32 AM roycroft: 20%
11:32 AM roycroft: i could flip it for 5% off list and make a profit
11:33 AM roycroft: that's the nice thing about festool - it really holds its value
11:33 AM roycroft: but i've been wanting a domino joiner for many, many years
11:34 AM roycroft: so i'll keep it ;)
11:34 AM roycroft: i got the smaller one - the big one might come in handy if i were making solid wood doors and the like, but i can do most anything i need to do with the small one
11:34 AM roycroft: i'm talking entry doors, not cabinet doors
11:36 AM roycroft: and it looks like they have a bunch of them for sale, because it's still listed on the recon site
11:36 AM roycroft: they've probably pulled all the dealer demo units that are in the old systainers and replaced them with the new systainers
11:36 AM roycroft: the machine is the same - just the systainer is different
11:36 AM roycroft: and it's gone now
11:38 AM roycroft: the cabinets i'm building are designed to hold the old size systainers anyway, so this is better than getting the new one
12:10 PM JT-Cave: well I went to 6 flea stores here (4 today) and at the last store in the next to last booth half behind some other stuff sat a NIB Nesco Dehydrator for $30
12:11 PM JT-Cave: roycroft, down here eating lunch
12:11 PM roycroft: awesome
12:11 PM roycroft: and i think it's worth the $30
12:12 PM roycroft: did you ever get the storage issue sorted out on the forum site?
12:12 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:12 PM JT-Cave: must be sun spots... lost internet for a moment on a clear day
12:14 PM roycroft: i had just asked if you got the storage issue sorted on the forum site
12:14 PM JT-Cave: storage issue?
12:15 PM roycroft: a couple weeks ago folks were discussing that you'd hit your stoage quota on the forum site, and either needed to remove some files or upgrade the hosting plan
12:15 PM JT-Cave: ah, I had not been able to log into root and do routine housekeeping with apt
12:16 PM roycroft: so it's good now?
12:16 PM JT-Cave: sorted that out first thing when I got access back
12:16 PM roycroft: ok
12:16 PM JT-Cave: yes
12:16 PM roycroft: i had mentioned using an s3 storage service, and jepler didn't want to deal with it
12:16 PM JT-Cave: if you don't purge and clean the old kernels don't get erased
12:17 PM roycroft: i've since set up s3 with multiple sites, and while i have not worked with the joomla module to do that i don't think it would be too difficult to get working
12:17 PM JT-Cave: I get an email if we get above 90% or something like that
12:17 PM roycroft: ok
12:17 PM roycroft: well if you need cheap storage - i presume this is for uploaded files and the like - i can probably help with that
12:18 PM roycroft: wasabi is an s3 service that costs $5.99/month per TB of storage
12:18 PM JT-Cave: ok, thanks
12:18 PM roycroft: and it can be linked right into the forum site
12:18 PM JT-Cave: cool
12:19 PM JT-Cave: looks like my broody hen is back in the nest box... gotta break that
12:19 PM roycroft: also, i don't have time for this now, but i'll probably poke around the forum site when i get a chance to famliarize myself with how you have it configured
12:20 PM JT-Cave: ok
12:20 PM roycroft: i won't change anything, of course, unless you or one of the other admins has a problem and asks me to help
12:20 PM JT-Cave: let me know when you want to look
12:20 PM roycroft: sure
12:21 PM roycroft: it will probably be after the fair at this point, unless there's a problem to address
12:21 PM JT-Cave: ok
12:21 PM * roycroft is putting anything that is not urgent off until after the fair
12:22 PM * JT-Cave just cleaned 380Mb from the forum
12:23 PM JT-Cave: old kernels and headers
12:25 PM Tom_L: ok card just arrived
12:25 PM Tom_L: a day early again..
12:31 PM Tom_L: hah pcw--home thanks a bunch
12:49 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside for a power nap
12:52 PM * Tom_L seconds that
12:53 PM travis_farmer853: drifts down the YouTube rabbit hole
01:31 PM toluene1 is now known as toluene
01:51 PM XXCoder: travis_farmer: you can use ghost to recover your registered nick
01:52 PM travis_farmer: ghost???
01:52 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, readhmid works thru your utility
01:52 PM Tom_L: as does readPD
01:52 PM Tom_L: as does verify
01:52 PM JT-Shop: good
01:52 PM XXCoder: travis yeah. google it, just woke up and cant really explain well
01:53 PM travis_farmer: ok, thanks :)
01:55 PM travis_farmer: ok, found it, thanks :) somewhere i need a notebook for all these commands ;)
01:58 PM XXCoder: welcome
02:15 PM travis_farmer: always good to know that all my useless posts here are archived for all eternity... ;)
02:15 PM JT-Shop: except when the JT Logger is broken
02:16 PM travis_farmer: probably for the better, in the case of my posts ;)
02:18 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: hey JT. is that info about the nic and packet timing documented anywhere?
02:20 PM roguish[m]: seems there's a fair bit of anecdotal info around that could be documented......
02:21 PM JT-Shop: I'm working on that page
02:21 PM JT-Shop: documented in Peter's head and my notes
02:21 PM roguish[m]: ah, dude. that's great.
02:24 PM JT-Shop: me sees where he left off after getting interrupted by forum work
02:25 PM JT-Shop: roguish[m], get a fresh deb and install then check out the PC tab
02:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop: Is Mesa shipping new FPGA cards now?
02:34 PM JT-Shop: yep, I get some today
02:34 PM * roycroft feebly complains about the heat, because the rules for living in oregon are that one must complain about the rain 9 months out of the year and then immediately complain about the heat when the rain finally stops
02:35 PM XXCoder: two seasons of complants ;)
02:35 PM roycroft: yes
02:35 PM roycroft: but complaints notwitstanding, we do have a two season climate - the rainy season, and the tear up the roads to annoy the tourists season
02:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop: new part numbers?
02:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: did you leave out "Fire" season?
02:36 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: I'll give it a new try next time on my mill...... should be this weekend.
02:36 PM roycroft: have you seen the ginormous 3d printer build videos, xxcoder?
02:36 PM XXCoder: tacoma have 5 seasons, cold rain, colder rain, warming rain, scorched summer, smokey hellscope season
02:36 PM roycroft: fire season is part of the tear up the roads season
02:36 PM roycroft: fires offer further hazards for tourists
02:36 PM XXCoder: roy some of em yeah, dunno if you meant specific ones
02:36 PM roguish[m]: upper 90's here all week........
02:37 PM roycroft: dr d-flo's
02:37 PM JT-Shop: new part number yes https://mesaus.com/product/7i96s/
02:37 PM roycroft: he makes furniture with his printer
02:37 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight[m], ^^
02:37 PM XXCoder: ahh yeah I recently subbed to that channel. its awesome
02:37 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JpumMS0Po
02:37 PM roycroft: oh, ok
02:37 PM roycroft: i figured you would be interested, which is why i mentioned it
02:37 PM travis_farmer: i saw that printer, very impressive!
02:37 PM XXCoder: what I would try if I had that big printer? hdpe printing chair and such
02:37 PM XXCoder: recycle milk bottles
02:37 PM roycroft: some architect in the netherlands is 3d printing houses
02:38 PM * JT-Shop wanders down to the chicken run to see if Victoria is still acting broody
02:38 PM roycroft: does victoria have teenage angst?
02:39 PM chris_99: potentially silly question, ideally i asusme you want XY axis to be exactly 90deg apart, but say they weren't, could you correct to this in software maybe
02:40 PM XXCoder: ideally fixed in hardware but im sure you can fix some things in hal
02:41 PM travis_farmer: thought i would add a resources section on my forum for LinuxCNC, as i, or any other member of the forum, finds useful things to document. https://www.tjfhome.net/community/index.php?resources/categories/linuxcnc.18/ Note not everything may be perfect, but it works for me... will be adding as i go.
02:44 PM travis_farmer: figured if i am going to run it still, i may as well make something useful out of it...
02:44 PM JT-Shop: no but she is trying to hatch ceramic eggs and non-fertile eggs
02:45 PM * JT-Shop has to make a broody buster
02:46 PM JT-Shop: chris_99, you can "map" the lead screw and that "might" take care of it but best to just build them perpendicular to each other
02:47 PM XXCoder: other way would be define joints in specific way
02:47 PM XXCoder: like for z axis, z 100% and 0.1% y for example
02:48 PM XXCoder: with whatever % for y accounts of slope
02:50 PM chris_99: would you have to say get both linear actuators to move to 1cm,2cm,3cm etc. and measure the discrepancy from a real (x,y) point where you'd expect the linear actuators to be?
02:51 PM JT-Shop: that sounds really complicated
02:52 PM * travis_farmer agrees
02:56 PM JT-Shop: prob be easier to just create a custom kins
03:05 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you gettin 7i96s in your order?
03:06 PM JT-Shop: that's the only thing for sure I'm getting lol
03:06 PM XXCoder: any rpi4s in your order? ;)
03:06 PM Tom_L: i wasn't expecting it
03:06 PM d2inventory: are those the ones with the new FPGA?
03:06 PM Tom_L: yes
03:07 PM Tom_L: why do they require lcnc 2.9? because hostmot2 was modified?
03:07 PM Tom_L: and not put in 2.8
03:07 PM JT-Shop: yep
03:07 PM JT-Shop: not just 2.9 but after a certain date
03:08 PM Tom_L: most of the 2.9 changes have been documents though right?
03:08 PM Tom_L: ahh
03:08 PM Tom_L: well i'm sure if i grabbed it, it would be after the date
03:08 PM JT-Shop: no, a lot of changes in 2.9
03:08 PM JT-Shop: The 7i96S requires LinuxCNC Uspace 2.9 Febuary 24, 2022 or newer!
03:09 PM Tom_L: i may put it on the dev pc but i don't think it would load on the mill pc using wheezy would it?
03:09 PM Tom_L: yeah uspace
03:09 PM Tom_L: ethernet requires preempt-rt so wheezy is out
03:09 PM JT-Shop: prob not 2.9 is python3 and I think sneezy has some milling libs
03:10 PM Tom_L: is there a list of changes somewhere
03:10 PM Tom_L: ?
03:10 PM JT-Shop: change log
03:11 PM Tom_L: i like the silkscreen on the 7i96s
03:11 PM Tom_L: jumper descriptions etc
03:12 PM JT-Shop: I had to run 2000000us thread period to get decent servo thread time
03:12 PM Tom_L: on what mb?
03:13 PM JT-Shop: h97m pro4
03:13 PM JT-Shop: asrock
03:13 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: I hope that is ns and not us!
03:14 PM Tom_L: mmm asrock
03:14 PM Tom_L: i have a couple of those but dunno what model
03:14 PM Tom_L: i don't think they're great for lcnc
03:14 PM JT-Shop: hmm I need to fix the suffix on that spin box
03:15 PM JT-Shop: it's great for flashing pci because it boots fast to dos
03:15 PM Tom_L: i'm wondering what i currently have in the mill.. i'm not even sure
03:16 PM Tom_L: yeah, this one is a Q1900b-itx
03:16 PM Tom_L: pretty old
03:16 PM Tom_L: asrock
03:21 PM * JT-Shop wonders why he is not running the dehydrator outside... it's 92°F and 34% RH
03:21 PM roycroft: you can almost dry your filament in the shop without the dehydrator
03:21 PM Tom_L: actually cooled off here a bit. high was supposed to be 101 but it's 88F now
03:22 PM roycroft: 21 here at the moment, with a high of 24 forecast
03:22 PM roycroft: the heat wave starts in earnest this weekend
03:23 PM Tom_L: are the configs the same from 2.8 to 2.9?
03:23 PM travis_farmer: i think there are some differences
03:24 PM Tom_L: like what?
03:24 PM travis_farmer: i don't remember exactly, sorry. i just remember converting my HAL file from early LCNC to 2.9
03:25 PM Tom_L: how early?
03:25 PM Tom_L: there was a change going into 2.8
03:25 PM travis_farmer: maybe 2.7 then, i don't remember that far back ;)
03:26 PM travis_farmer: i just know i am running the master branch, in the hopes it will have the kinks worked out of it by the time my machine goes production...
03:27 PM travis_farmer: it was suggested to me by somebody on the forum, quite a while back...
03:43 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, yes 2.8 and 2.9 configs are the same
03:43 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, are you running 2.9 for your config tests?
03:47 PM Tom_L: .. hope this works..
03:47 PM Tom_L: nope
03:48 PM Tom_L: you can't install 2.9 from synaptic package manager master branch?
03:54 PM travis_farmer: i am running, and i may wrong for doing so, but "2.9.0~pre0.5431.gc5312a303" installed from master as "linuxcnc-uspace"
03:57 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, yes
03:58 PM Tom_L: how should i remove 2.8 cleanly in order to install 2.9?
03:58 PM JT-Shop: how did you install it?
03:59 PM Tom_L: package manager
03:59 PM JT-Shop: use the package manager to remove it
03:59 PM Tom_L: i think ;)
04:00 PM Tom_L: then update the sources list and reinstall it?
04:06 PM Tom_L: package manager doesn't seem to like the master branch
04:06 PM travis_farmer: how so?
04:06 PM Tom_L: typo :)
04:07 PM Tom_L: nope, i get 2.8 back
04:07 PM travis_farmer: Hmmm, odd
04:08 PM JT-Shop: I just build a deb from source, it's easy
04:08 PM JT-Shop: then installed the deb
04:08 PM Tom_L: yeah i know i'm trying to be lazy
04:09 PM Tom_L: and kinda forgot how to do a deb
04:09 PM JT-Shop: it ain't working...
04:09 PM JT-Shop: clone the repository
04:09 PM JT-Shop: In the debian directory:
04:09 PM JT-Shop: ./configure uspace
04:10 PM JT-Shop: In the top most linuxcnc directory:
04:10 PM JT-Shop: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc
04:10 PM JT-Shop: you have to satisfy a couple of dependencies
04:10 PM Tom_L: do i need to checkout master before i clone it?
04:10 PM JT-Shop: no, you get master
04:11 PM JT-Shop: you have to checkout any branches but not master
04:11 PM travis_farmer: i just got 2.9.0-pre0-6742-gd3d1bd3f2 from a "apt-get update" followed by a "apt-get upgrade" so apt has it, i think your sources must be odd somehow
04:12 PM Tom_L: that might work
04:12 PM JT-Shop: might need to apt update
04:12 PM Tom_L: looks like it's pulling from master
04:13 PM JT-Shop: mesaflash has an update it seems
04:14 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:16 PM JT-Shop: but don't upgrade because it's a downgrade lol
04:16 PM travis_farmer: it is?
04:17 PM Tom_L: i think i did that the other day
04:18 PM JT-Shop: yep, if you upgrade via snaptic you get an older version and that won't work with the 7i96s
04:18 PM Tom_L: i have 3.4.3
04:18 PM travis_farmer: do i have the older version, or newer? 2.9.0-pre0-6742-gd3d1bd3f2
04:19 PM JT-Shop: 3.4.3 is the newest version of mesaflash
04:19 PM travis_farmer: oh, different thing...
04:19 PM Tom_L: i have an older version on my mill backup ssd
04:19 PM Tom_L: i used it the other day
04:19 PM JT-Shop: travis_farmer, I don't know how to read the stuff after pre0
04:19 PM travis_farmer: ok
04:19 PM Tom_L: it's just buildbot goop
04:24 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:31 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, after i get a deb i do a dpkg -i?
04:32 PM JT-Shop: I use gdebi
04:32 PM JT-Shop: IIRC dpkg -i some.deb will install
04:33 PM Tom_dev: what flags for gdebi?
04:33 PM Tom_dev: i think i've used that in the past too but it's been a while
04:34 PM JT-Shop: I just right click on the deb and say open with gdebi
04:34 PM Tom_dev: :)
04:35 PM Tom_dev: i'm not sure i have it installed but i will once i get a deb
04:35 PM Tom_dev: does your tool need updating as well?
04:35 PM Tom_dev: any late great changes?
04:35 PM JT-Shop: sudo apt install gdebi
04:35 PM JT-Shop: yes, I have some changes to the pc tab
04:36 PM Tom_dev: i must have gdebi already
04:38 PM Tom_dev: can you build master without the docs?
04:38 PM JT-Shop: yes
04:38 PM Tom_dev: it's puking on them
04:39 PM Tom_dev: do you know what flag that is?
04:39 PM Tom_dev: i can let it churn a while i suppose
04:40 PM JT-Shop: do configure --help
04:40 PM Tom_dev: 14994 untranslated messages...
04:40 PM JT-Shop: silopolis0866[m], fault :)
04:41 PM Tom_dev: no-docs
04:43 PM JT-Shop: ok, I don't have it cloned here
04:46 PM Tom_dev: ok i got a handfull of debs
04:46 PM Tom_dev: says it's got dependency issues when trying gdebi
04:47 PM JT-Shop: gdebi will resolve them
04:47 PM Tom_dev: it's running
04:47 PM JT-Shop: nice
04:48 PM Tom_dev: how do i get the menus back?
04:49 PM Tom_dev: maybe that's because i didn't install docs?
04:50 PM JT-Shop: you have to edit the menus and uncheck then recheck each one
04:50 PM JT-Shop: debian menus suck
04:51 PM Tom_dev: where do you edit them?
04:51 PM Tom_dev: i was looking for that the other day
04:52 PM Tom_dev: maybe i need mate tweak for that
04:54 PM Tom_dev: ok well at least i have 2.9 installed
04:58 PM JT-Shop: I right click on Applications
04:59 PM Tom_L: no place to 'add'
04:59 PM JT-Shop: hmm you need to install something... let me look
05:00 PM JT-Shop: sudo apt install mozo
05:00 PM Tom_L: just did and no change
05:00 PM JT-Shop: no change to what?
05:00 PM Tom_L: to the right click menu
05:01 PM Tom_L: restarting
05:01 PM Tom_L: there it is now
05:01 PM Tom_L: thanks
05:01 PM JT-Shop: System preferences main menu
05:02 PM Tom_L: system preferences look and feel, main menu on mine
05:02 PM Tom_L: but i got there
05:02 PM Tom_L: well a restart put it there anyway
05:03 PM Tom_L: you generally don't need to restart
05:04 PM JT-Shop: I need to putz with the desktop file and see if I can get mesact back on the cnc menu but first I need to swap mb with another pc that works better
05:05 PM Tom_L: i was getting ready to move it here and realized i need to reinstall first :)
05:05 PM Tom_L: or it would probably go right back to 'other'
05:05 PM JT-Shop: I'm not sure what would happen
05:07 PM Tom_L: i should try that card i just got back but i'm a bit hesitant
05:08 PM Tom_L: it was probably a bad bit file i built
05:10 PM JT-Shop: don't use it again lol
05:10 PM Tom_L: he updated the descriptions on --readhmid for the 7i96s showing the pin pairs for stepgen etc
05:11 PM Tom_L: or are those differential signals?
05:11 PM Tom_L: TB1-2,3 for example
05:11 PM Tom_L: for IO17
05:17 PM JT-Shop: my 7i96s is down in the beer cave
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06:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop: are the 7i96s available for a while or "get them while they are hot" sorta thing?
06:17 PM _unreal_: milling more holes in my main plate again
06:17 PM _unreal_: ugh
06:18 PM _unreal_: I was hoping I would be done. but NOPE
06:18 PM _unreal_: I still have to solve one more hole as well
06:18 PM _unreal_: maybe two
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: how is that indexer holding up?
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: might be a year now
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.robotdigg.com/product/1707/5-axis-CNC-milling-machine-V4-desktop-with-horizontal-spindle
06:38 PM TurBoss: looks cheap
06:38 PM TurBoss: 🙂
06:38 PM TurBoss: $500¿?
06:38 PM TurBoss: 4k 😲
07:04 PM XXCoder: what
07:05 PM XXCoder: is it just parts? or entire machine kinda like pocketnc?
07:05 PM XXCoder: oh 4k usd. still pretty chea[
07:05 PM XXCoder: whats funny if you switch to machine, it still states (on sale from 750 usd)
07:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that website has lots of stuff from pure junk to some things that actually look ok
07:33 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m] great! i haven't used it much :)
07:42 PM pcw--home: CaptHindsight[m] We should be OK this year with the 7I96S Optos, SSRs, and MOSFETs being the main issues for subsequent builds
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: good to know, thanks!!
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: am down to 2 7i96's
08:24 PM roycroft: i just got my daily email from aliexpress asking me to "accept" my order that has still not shipped
08:34 PM Tom_L: pcw--home, if i posted my pin vhd file you mind trying to build a 6i24 .bit file?
08:44 PM djdelorie: build day one done: http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc2/PXL_20220624_013947142.html
08:44 PM djdelorie: not trying to rush
08:44 PM Tom_L: nice
08:44 PM Tom_L: router or plasma?
08:44 PM XXCoder: nice work so far
08:44 PM djdelorie: router
08:45 PM djdelorie: it's an avid pro 5x10 kit, except I'm substituting the spindle, motors, electronics, and software...
08:46 PM djdelorie: I've got a mesa card that's been waiting for this, that I bought back when stock was iffy. Been designing the electronics around what I can buy, not what I want :-(
08:46 PM Tom_L: what card?
08:47 PM djdelorie: 7i76e
08:47 PM Tom_L: servos or steppers?
08:47 PM XXCoder: smart to have some additional space over the standard 4x8 size
08:48 PM XXCoder: can add toolchanger, have space for clamps etc
08:48 PM djdelorie: servos. They're the same ones I used on the plywood cnc back when. I blew out one of the boards and downgraded that one to steppers
08:48 PM djdelorie: XXCoder: yeah, some of our projects actually use 5x5 plywood, and the subst spindle has ATC. Bigger was a no-brainer.
08:48 PM Tom_L: what sort of drive system do you plan to use?
08:48 PM XXCoder: dj nice
08:49 PM Tom_L: belt.. ballscrew..
08:49 PM djdelorie: the avid pro uses rack and pinion. The non-pro is ballscrew.
08:49 PM Tom_L: i'd think ballscrews would whip on that long a workspace
08:49 PM djdelorie: yeah, they warn against that. Hence, rack and pinion :-)
08:50 PM Tom_L: https://www.bell-everman.com/products/linear-positioning/servobelt-linear-sbl
08:50 PM Tom_L: check those out
08:50 PM Tom_L: something like that might be ideal
08:50 PM djdelorie: have those patents expired?
08:50 PM djdelorie: I've known about that system for a long time, but back then, they were patent-encumbered
08:50 PM Tom_L: mmm
08:51 PM Tom_L: so make it a little different
08:51 PM djdelorie: well, it wouldn't have stopped me from playing with it anyway, but the avid kit comes with rack and pinion, so I'm going to go with "easier" :-)
08:52 PM Tom_L: ahh
08:52 PM djdelorie: I still have to make new gears for the servos as they shafts don't match the ones they sent me, which are designed for steppers
08:53 PM djdelorie: the old cnc is only 2.5 feet square, one axis ballscrew and the other belt drive, and neither handled high speed well
08:54 PM djdelorie: I was literally pushing the limits of that poor machine when I blew out the electronics. Hard stop plus bad connection = EM spike in the driver board :-(
09:17 PM XXCoder: ouch
09:21 PM djdelorie: very. It was running on an 80v power supply, and designed to handle 650v, and died anyway when backEMF from the motor couldn't go anywhere
09:22 PM djdelorie: the new boards have surge suppressors built in, each
09:23 PM djdelorie: and I'll likely use one of the old boards to monitor the power rail and dump power to some light bulbs if it surges
09:24 PM djdelorie: and using better connectors ;-)