#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 12 2022

01:23 AM Deejay: moin
01:31 AM travis_farmer853: G'Morning ☕
02:17 AM TurBoss8676[m]: morning
02:18 AM XXCoder: yo
04:46 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:59 AM Tom_itx: morning
06:28 AM JT-Cave: Tom_itx, you should be able to flash and read the 6i24 now
06:29 AM JT-Cave: the first thing to test is the check button which checks to see if the card is found
06:46 AM travis_farmer853: just discovered i have a 5i20 that i forgot buying on ebay quite a while back... wonder if it is still useful, assuming i can find a PCI motherboard...
06:50 AM travis_farmer853: probably not, can't even find firmware on the mesa site for it...
06:53 AM travis_farmer853: oh, hey, i found the firmware... LOL
07:03 AM JT-Cave: the 5i20 loads the firmware on startup
07:03 AM JT-Cave: I have one in my CHNC lathe
07:04 AM travis_farmer853: ??? meaning what, LCNC provisions it during startup?
07:04 AM JT-Cave: yup
07:06 AM travis_farmer853: assuming i use it for something, would i need a specific version on LCNC for it, or could i run the master version? (i seem to live life on the edge, running master...)
07:06 AM JT-Cave: you can use it with EMC2 if you like and Ubuntu 8.08
07:07 AM travis_farmer853: ok, good to know. thanks 🙂
07:12 AM JT-Cave: I think I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 on the CHNC
07:13 AM travis_farmer853: ok 🙂
07:17 AM travis_farmer853: bit of a personal debate, perhaps i need a second, or more, mind to double check my priorities...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1ea92a73a04b719f4af8a27e7da1803f001351e5)
07:17 AM travis_farmer853: hmm, it split my text...
07:33 AM JT-Cave: must have been too long...
07:43 AM travis_farmer853: yup
07:43 AM * JT-Cave starts his day
07:43 AM travis_farmer853: guess it wasn't that important, anyway...
08:09 AM Tom_itx: JT-Cave, i need to locate the pc mb this pcie fits in. it isn't the test pc
08:14 AM JT-Cave: ok
08:19 AM JT-Shop: I have a 5i24 and can test it on this pc
08:19 AM Tom_itx: they take the same firmware iirc
08:20 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
08:29 AM Tom_L: i'm not sure about the board descriptor though
08:30 AM JT-Cave: so there's no difference on a 5i25/6i25 with the board descriptor
08:31 AM JT-Cave: if you can check the 6i24 to see if it's the same
08:37 AM JT-Cave: what does HMID mean?
08:45 AM _unreal_: I have not taken any pictures yet but I do have the Z CARRIAGE frame dry fitted to the X/Y frame setup.
08:46 AM _unreal_: working good
08:46 AM _unreal_: I'm half tempted to pull it all apart to toss the upper Y arm sections back on the CNC to locate and drill the holes that are in the wrong location
08:51 AM t4nk_freenode: no need to pull it apart yourself bud... it'll fall apart on its own once it's all fitted :b
08:52 AM t4nk_freenode: those little bearing blocks on the y's are in for a hellish torture methinks
08:52 AM _unreal_: ?
08:53 AM _unreal_: what bearing blocks are you talking about? the Y bearings?
08:53 AM t4nk_freenode: yeah
08:53 AM _unreal_: If your talking about the Y rails. o,O they are more then enough
08:53 AM t4nk_freenode: more than
08:54 AM t4nk_freenode: and there's a lot of weight on them, even without milling
08:54 AM t4nk_freenode: and some lever-action too
08:55 AM t4nk_freenode: I'm curious about the flex too
08:56 AM _unreal_: the only loads that the bearing blocks will see are side to side and up/down
08:56 AM _unreal_: which are the VERY directions those blocks are designed for.
08:56 AM _unreal_: there is no lever arm action
08:56 AM _unreal_: this machine has a DUAL Y lead screw setup
08:57 AM _unreal_: load is ether mainly to one side or the other, or evenly split.
08:59 AM _unreal_: the entire Y/X frame is a fixed rectangle with multi corner angle supports.
09:00 AM _unreal_: the X extrusion I'm considering adding angle aluminum or steel to help keep them rigid
09:03 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:05 AM Tom_dev: JT-Cave, A Program error occured in boards.py line 21... no such file or directory /usr/lib/libmesact/5i24
09:06 AM Tom_L: also note that comment in -devel
09:07 AM Tom_L: 5i25 doesn't throw that error
09:09 AM Tom_L: (probably because you tested with it ) :)
09:11 AM Tom_L: ... and i _think_ HMID means hostmot ID
09:12 AM travis_farmer853: i thought HMID was Human Machine Interface Device
09:13 AM Tom_L: maybe so
09:13 AM Tom_L: but maybe not in this context
09:14 AM travis_farmer853: true, i did show up late to this party 😉
09:22 AM JT-Cave: ah see that now Tom_L
09:23 AM JT-Cave: ok the deb is pushed
09:24 AM Tom_L: same error
09:25 AM Tom_L: no directory .... 5i24
09:26 AM Tom_L: lemme grab it again just in case
09:26 AM JT-Shop: ah I know what that is PEBKAC
09:26 AM Tom_L: ok i'll wait a few
09:26 AM JT-Shop: I forgot to tell the deb to install that directory
09:26 AM Tom_L: that's why i didn't add it myself
09:26 AM Tom_L: i figured you wanted 'completeness'
09:31 AM JT-Cave: ok I fixed that and pushing a new deb
09:36 AM JT-Cave: ok the deb is pushed... heading to town now
09:37 AM Tom_L: grabbing..
09:39 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:39 AM Tom_dev: JT-Cave, program error... line 71 card.py local variable 'prompt' referenced before assignment
09:39 AM Tom_dev: on 'read PD' tab
09:40 AM Tom_dev: same thing on line 92 for read hmid tab
09:47 AM JT-Shop: ok
09:52 AM JT-Cave: did you press cancel?
09:56 AM JT-Cave: bbib, I see I need to do some checking before running that line
10:24 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:26 AM Tom_L: i'm switching between OS on that pc so lemme know if you get something
10:26 AM Tom_L: got a couple things going on here
11:16 AM JT-Cave: ok
11:29 AM roycroft: well, it's april 73 today
11:29 AM * roycroft wonders if this month will ever end
11:33 AM Tom_L: building my bitfile for the 5i24
11:36 AM Tom_L: mmm that didn't take long
11:40 AM _unreal_: never fails I dont have the screws I need. I need 1" flat 6/32's sigh...
11:44 AM _unreal_: Just got one of my end stops mounting screws tapped.'
11:46 AM _unreal_: or I should say HARD stop limits. to keep the z from ever falling off.
11:57 AM t4nk_freenode: don't forget some flipflops, to prevent the x from keeling over hehe
11:58 AM _unreal_: You mean cross bracing?
11:58 AM _unreal_: wont need it
11:59 AM t4nk_freenode: look man. I really should be making this pen holder already. I don't feel like taking my spindle off to fit a pen
11:59 AM t4nk_freenode: *sigh*
11:59 AM t4nk_freenode: but I don't see any easy way to attach a pen
11:59 AM _unreal_: do you have a dust shoe setup?
11:59 AM t4nk_freenode: yes
12:00 PM _unreal_: how does your dust shoe work
12:00 PM _unreal_: is it magnet based?
12:00 PM _unreal_: or screw on?
12:00 PM t4nk_freenode: the top of it is permanently attached, screwed on
12:00 PM _unreal_: and the brush end?
12:00 PM t4nk_freenode: and then some magnets to hold the rest of the shoe, but it's snug enough to hold without them
12:00 PM _unreal_: so make a new plate that uses the bottom half of the brush system only is a pen holder
12:01 PM _unreal_: done
12:01 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, thought about that
12:01 PM t4nk_freenode: but I'm not sure it will be strong enough for a pen somehow
12:02 PM t4nk_freenode: I guess I could just try it, instead of moaning about it
12:02 PM _unreal_: you can always add PINS
12:04 PM t4nk_freenode: ? how's that?
12:05 PM _unreal_: I dont know exactly how your system is designed. but you can add pins. "screws" what ever. that just drop in, keep the bottom half from shifting
12:05 PM _unreal_: mag holds it up. pins keep it fixed
12:10 PM t4nk_freenode: https://postimg.cc/WtqPXNQD
12:11 PM t4nk_freenode: I could use the bigger hole to slip a pen into, but it bugs me that I'd lose some work area
12:19 PM t4nk_freenode: if only the spindle would be a stopple instead. then I could mount sth to that
12:23 PM _unreal_: shrug
12:26 PM _unreal_: I'm wondering if I'll be able to mill steel with this new machine?
12:27 PM _unreal_: MORE powerful spindle so I could run it at low rpm.
12:27 PM _unreal_: but I've never dont any research on it so I dont know what I would need to do for settings. no idea.
12:30 PM Tom_L: i would have my doubts but you could try
12:30 PM _unreal_: same here
12:30 PM _unreal_: I've seen people milling low grade steel with high speed spindles
12:31 PM Tom_L: i've seen steel chips come off machines white hot
12:31 PM Tom_L: sticks to the paint of the enclosure
12:31 PM _unreal_: ya I would assume coolant would be a must
12:31 PM Tom_L: not on those with carbide inserts
12:32 PM _unreal_: ?
12:32 PM Tom_L: in your case yes
12:32 PM _unreal_: ok
12:32 PM Tom_L: alot of machines cut steel with carbide inserts dry
12:32 PM _unreal_: but at what RPM
12:33 PM _unreal_: My 1.2kw is a 24k rpm capable water cooled
12:33 PM Tom_L: heh no
12:34 PM _unreal_: I would assume 10-12k max would be a low rpm target with mist.
12:34 PM roguish[m]: most ceramic inserts are run dry. red hot chips. inserts would shatter if hit by coolant.........
12:34 PM Tom_L: download FSwizzard to your phone and look
12:35 PM Tom_L: yep, ceramic and carbide like heat
12:35 PM _unreal_: its an ER11 SYSTEM
12:36 PM _unreal_: I've been keeping all of the weight plates from these SAT'S I've been taking apart. they are precision cut.
12:36 PM _unreal_: will make for great stacking systems when mounting or jigging
12:58 PM _unreal_: weight plates or I could call them counter balance plates.
01:11 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I pushed a new version
01:15 PM roguish[m]: _unreal_: techincally on the sats they are inertia plates
01:24 PM _unreal_: roguish[m], according to the documents they are balance. to keep the entire 3 (4) axis torrent systems in a neutral plane.
01:25 PM _unreal_: Though the only one that gets little benefit is the BASE that rotates.
01:27 PM _unreal_: roguish[m], the last BIG one I took apart is one of the biggest I've gotten my hands on. wish I could solve the motor controller. but its designed very different from the other systems.
01:28 PM _unreal_: the others are simple. ve7it was able to whip up a simple interface to test them in no time. this new controller, has an integrated controller 16bit I believe controller.
01:29 PM _unreal_: If I can solve that controller... those new BLDC motors will be amazing.
01:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dCUcnS5CiM automate this
01:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: glass blowers get self conscious when you get into the details of each procedure,since they all do it a bit differently and just do lots of things by look and feel
01:39 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, ok i'll test in a bit
01:45 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, no error however does not read PD or HMID
01:45 PM Tom_L: does outside the utility to confirm
01:45 PM Tom_L: mesaflash does outside the utility to confirm
01:46 PM Tom_L: also.. no biggie.. no pin file found for xxxx
01:46 PM JT-Shop: odd it works for me or at least it did
01:47 PM Tom_L: brb heading to the store for a bit
01:47 PM JT-Shop: yup no pin files for 5i24/6i24
01:47 PM JT-Shop: k
01:52 PM coralgoat: I am trying to get a CNC router's spindle motor working.
01:52 PM coralgoat: The spindle motor has this information on it:
01:52 PM coralgoat: WH80, 2.2 kW, 220 V, 8 A, 400 Hz, 24,000 RPM
01:53 PM coralgoat: I am looking for 120V VFD that could work with this spindle motor.
01:53 PM coralgoat: I searched based on 120V input and the amperage.
01:53 PM coralgoat: These are the two VFD (highest amperage) that I have come up with:
01:53 PM coralgoat: https://deltaacdrives.com/delta-ms300-vfd4a8ms11ansaa/
01:53 PM coralgoat: https://www.ebay.com/itm/294991042075
01:54 PM coralgoat: Would either of these work with the spindle motor mentioned above?
01:54 PM coralgoat: What specs do I need to look at to tell if these VFDs will work with that motor?
01:59 PM _unreal_: coralgoat, ahh same type
01:59 PM _unreal_: right meaning for motor type
02:01 PM _unreal_: coralgoat, then you need a VFD that is a 220v.
02:02 PM _unreal_: if you were to find one that is a 120v it would likely draw 2x the amps.
02:05 PM coralgoat: I do not have a 220V outlet to use.
02:05 PM _unreal_: coralgoat, does the spindle its self say 220v
02:05 PM coralgoat: For the spindle motor above would I be able to power it using this 120V to 240V 10,000W step up transformer
02:05 PM coralgoat: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BA00LJI
02:05 PM coralgoat: and this 220V VFD
02:05 PM coralgoat: https://www.lollette.com/inverter-HY01D523B.html
02:06 PM coralgoat: _unreal_, yes the spindle motor say 220V on it.
02:06 PM _unreal_: not a good idea to use setup up converters.
02:08 PM _unreal_: some BLDC spindles use DC voltage. but thats a 2.2kw its going to use AC that is phase changed. Meaning its designed to take a 220v input
02:09 PM _unreal_: coralgoat, I dont think your going to find what your looking for. a 120v to 220v step-up VFD all in one. I'm sure they could exist, but why????? you will draw more then 2x the current.
02:10 PM _unreal_: coralgoat, you say you dont have 220v. do you have a dryer in your home? do you have an OVEN?
02:10 PM _unreal_: both typically take 220v
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02:11 PM coralgoat: _unreal_, it is at a workshop that I do not think can handle another 220V outlet being added.
02:11 PM coralgoat: I have been told to find another way besides adding a 220V outlet.
02:12 PM _unreal_: thats called getting a 120v spindle
02:12 PM _unreal_: by the work shop you where told. or others have suggested?
02:13 PM coralgoat: _unreal_, told by the workshop.
02:14 PM coralgoat: _unreal_, would I be able to get a 120V spindle that would be comparable with the specs of the 220V motor above?
02:14 PM _unreal_: hehe if it is a 2.2kw 120v then it is a 2.2kw
02:15 PM _unreal_: the difference is in how the motor coils are wound and the internal resistance.
02:15 PM _unreal_: the load is still the same. the lower voltage just draws more corrent
02:15 PM _unreal_: current
02:16 PM _unreal_: a 2.2kw 120v draws like 13-15 amps.
02:16 PM _unreal_: I have one
02:16 PM coralgoat: _unreal_, okay
02:17 PM _unreal_: as to adding an other 220 system to the "shop" and too much is bullshit. unless everything is running at the same time. then YA your going to over draw.
02:18 PM coralgoat: Would a 2.2kw 120V be okay for working with aluminum? The manufacturer of this CNC router says their machine with the 2.2kw 220V spindle can do aluminum.
02:18 PM _unreal_: yes
02:19 PM _unreal_: you want speed
02:19 PM _unreal_: you want power
02:19 PM Loetmichel: coralgoat: the cheap chinese 800W spindles CAN do Alu. with a 3mm two flute mill bit and 0.15mm DOC per round.
02:19 PM _unreal_: I do aluminum milling SLOWLLLYYYY on my mini cnc machine that is sporting a 300 watt or .3kw brushless
02:20 PM Loetmichel: so the 2.2kW can do even better
02:20 PM _unreal_: way better
02:20 PM Loetmichel: but they are usually WAY to fast and to low torque for anything bigger than a couple mm
02:20 PM Loetmichel: mill bit wise i mean
02:20 PM coralgoat: I will talk to them again about adding another 220V outlet.
02:21 PM coralgoat: I am looking a working with 2mm thick aluminum.
02:21 PM coralgoat: aluminum sheet.
02:21 PM Loetmichel: shoving a 20mm planer bit through the sacrificial MDF plate is already pushing it with the 800W, you can hear the spindle "throttle" when you hit a high spot
02:22 PM Loetmichel: sheet alu works with the 800W. as long as you have small bits
02:22 PM _unreal_: 2mm thick aluminum is nothing
02:22 PM _unreal_: you can cut that in one pass with a down or up bit
02:23 PM _unreal_: depending on if its floating or not
02:23 PM Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7eO5cu-fXg
02:23 PM Loetmichel: thats 1.5mm alu
02:24 PM Loetmichel: _unreal_: you cant cut that in one pass without cooling
02:24 PM _unreal_: yep
02:24 PM Loetmichel: especially not with a router/mill frame thats not rigid enough
02:24 PM coralgoat: Would one of the two 120V VFD I linked above be okay with a 120V 2.2kW spindle motor?
02:24 PM _unreal_: thats what I love about my mini machine, its VERY rigid
02:25 PM Loetmichel: always funny though when you come out of the workshop and look like a twilight character... *glitter*
02:25 PM _unreal_: coralgoat, you dont have a 120v 2.2kw spindle right?
02:25 PM _unreal_: only a 220v
02:25 PM _unreal_: find a nice combo
02:25 PM Loetmichel: coralgoat: IIRC the spindles need special parameters. So if you dont have those i would urge you to buy the VFD with the spindle.
02:26 PM coralgoat: Yes only a 220V spindle.
02:26 PM _unreal_: ^^
02:26 PM _unreal_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
02:26 PM Loetmichel: if you have a 220V spindle: how about an autotransformer to double the voltage?
02:27 PM Loetmichel: the VFDs are not that picky about input voltage quality
02:27 PM _unreal_: Loetmichel, I told him he could do that but its really not suggested
02:28 PM _unreal_: besides then he's spending more $$$ for a lesser solution.
02:28 PM coralgoat: Okay so I think the two best options are:
02:28 PM coralgoat: Have a 220V outlet put in (convince the workshop)
02:29 PM coralgoat: Get a 120V VFD and 120V 2.2kw spindle motor combo
02:30 PM _unreal_: first one is the cheapest provided you can get the shop to play ball. Though I have a feeling the second option will be the one you pull the trigger on. depends on what this shop says to you and going the outlet rout.
02:31 PM coralgoat: _unreal_, Loetmichel thanks
02:33 PM roycroft: my concern about a step-up transformer is that to run the 2.2kw spindle safely one really needs a 30a 120v circuit, which is unusual
02:33 PM XXCoder: loet wow everything wobbling lol
02:33 PM roycroft: a 20a would barely suffice, and then only if both the transformer and vfd were very efficient
02:34 PM _unreal_: roycroft, I mentioned that, well indirectly.
02:34 PM roycroft: if a special 30a 120v circuit is needed, the cost of installing that would be the same or more than installing a 20a 240v circuit
02:34 PM roycroft: because it would require heavier gauge wire
02:34 PM * roycroft thinks he mentioned this yesterday
02:35 PM roycroft: the laws of physics have not changed since then
02:35 PM roycroft: or if they did, nobody told me
02:35 PM travis_farmer853: it is fascinating when people get the correlation between volts and amps wrong 😉
02:35 PM _unreal_: roycroft, as I recall myth busters discovered a few new physics
02:36 PM roycroft: who is getting it wrong?
02:36 PM _unreal_: travis_farmer853, what did you see wrong?
02:37 PM coralgoat: roycroft, I think that the 120V outlets would not be 30A. Thanks for mentioning this. I will avoid the step up transformer option as well.
02:37 PM roycroft: very few are
02:37 PM _unreal_: washing machine outlets are some times
02:37 PM roycroft: and the ones that are have the two blades that carry current perpendicular to each other
02:37 PM travis_farmer853: well, more directed at when people want to run a 220v spindle with 120v, and don't realise the amount of current they need to get the same power
02:38 PM Loetmichel: XXCoder: yeah, that table was meant for a PC, not for a CNC router ;)
02:39 PM _unreal_: wtf?
02:39 PM _unreal_: my weather bug thing, just poped up with a snow warning
02:39 PM _unreal_: then a second later changed to rain
02:39 PM XXCoder: probably misclick or a glitch lol
02:39 PM _unreal_: hehe I'm in the tropics dude.
02:40 PM XXCoder: or yer getting snow
02:40 PM Loetmichel: do you live on the southern hemisphere?
02:40 PM travis_farmer853: i think your weather bug is confused
02:40 PM _unreal_: well bbiab
02:40 PM Loetmichel: or maybe a geolocation hickup?
02:40 PM XXCoder: hurry and buy food for a month ;)
02:42 PM Loetmichel: XXCoder: why buying?
02:42 PM Loetmichel: dont you have a few sacks of flour and canned goods in the pantry? "just in case"?
02:43 PM XXCoder: lol if here have snow for a month, we got serious problem besides food
02:43 PM XXCoder: it very rarely lasts beyond 2-3 days
02:45 PM * travis_farmer853 uploaded an image: (1437KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/cyWQiwptcdiRonEgTxNDQhrz/40-feet-of-snow.png >
02:45 PM travis_farmer853: some snow for XXCoder 😉
02:46 PM XXCoder: hah it turned into electric fence
02:46 PM travis_farmer853: lol
02:47 PM Loetmichel: travis_farmer853: that looks "homely"
02:47 PM travis_farmer853: "homely" ???
02:47 PM Loetmichel: cozy
02:48 PM roycroft: homely does not mean cozy at all
02:48 PM Loetmichel: may take a bit to dig your way out from the front door up to the "new street level" though
02:48 PM travis_farmer853: ahh, ok. "homely" means ugly to me lol
02:48 PM roycroft: not necessarily ugly
02:48 PM roycroft: but plain, unremarkable
02:48 PM Loetmichel: sorry that i am not a native speaker
02:48 PM travis_farmer853: yeah, true
02:48 PM roycroft: yes, i know that
02:49 PM roycroft: which is why i point this out - so you'll know
02:49 PM Loetmichel: hmm. may have gotten that wrong, i associated it with "cozy little cabin with a fire burning in the fireplace and a bearfur on the floor
02:49 PM Loetmichel: "
02:50 PM travis_farmer853: man, i hope my ethernet card for my test LCNC computer shows up soon, really want to try it out on the machine, see how it runs
02:51 PM roycroft: homey
02:52 PM travis_farmer853: yes, that is the correct word 😉
02:52 PM roycroft: that means what you're thinking
02:52 PM roycroft: but homely is a negative term
02:52 PM Tom_L: those are just short poles
02:53 PM travis_farmer853: not sure they are, Tom_L my parents remember having to dig up one winter to get out of the house
02:54 PM Tom_L: yeah, i've seen a few old pictures
02:55 PM Tom_L: and i know that one is old due to the glass insulators
02:59 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I just tested my 5i24 and I must not be done programming that
03:23 PM solarwind: If I go to metalsupermarkets or another supplier and buy a piece of flat bar, it should have no natural porosity in it right?
03:24 PM solarwind: That is, if I put it in a surface grinder and grind it perfectly flat, I shouldn't see any holes anywhere right?
03:24 PM solarwind: Or is some porosity natural for something like hot rolled A36 mild steel?
03:27 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, what is --device for the 5i24?
03:37 PM JT-Cave: never \mind I know what it is
03:43 PM Tom_L: same
03:43 PM Tom_L: 5i24 & 6i24 both use 5i24
03:47 PM Tom_L: i DO have to use sudo mesaflash with it in a terminal where the others you don't. like parport spi or ethernet
03:49 PM pcw-home: sudo is needed for all but Ethernet
03:50 PM pcw-home: (because normal user apps have network access but not direct hardware access needed by PCI etc
03:50 PM pcw-home: )
03:58 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, it's fixed and I tested it here on my 5i24
04:05 PM * Tom_L doesn't take JT-Shop's word for it and starts to test it anyway
04:08 PM JT-Shop: as you should
04:08 PM Tom_L: still no joy
04:08 PM Tom_L: wait...
04:08 PM Tom_L: my bad
04:08 PM Tom_L: i dl but forgot to install :)
04:09 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:09 PM Tom_L: you need root privileges....
04:10 PM Tom_L: boom! it works
04:10 PM Tom_L: is there a way to store the password once you've answered it per session?
04:11 PM Tom_L: other than that i like it
04:11 PM Tom_L: maybe not a great idea security wise but handier
04:12 PM Tom_L: copy my bit file over and see if it loads next
04:14 PM Tom_L: if i can find it..
04:14 PM roycroft: you can configure sudo to not require a password
04:14 PM Tom_L: i'm just suggesting in application only
04:15 PM roycroft: oh
04:15 PM roycroft: the answer to that is "yes, but you have to talk to the author of the app for that" :)
04:16 PM JT-Shop: I was thinking the same thing
04:17 PM roycroft: we use an isp billing package called whmcs at work
04:18 PM roycroft: my boss loves it
04:18 PM roycroft: i find it infuriating
04:18 PM roycroft: not only is it non-intuitive, poorly documented, and tedious to move around generally, if one logs in with admin privilges it demands the admin password before almost any action
04:18 PM roycroft: like i can add a product
04:18 PM roycroft: it demands the password
04:19 PM roycroft: on the same screen, i add another product
04:19 PM roycroft: it demands the password
04:19 PM roycroft: i set the price for the product i just added, and it demands the password
04:19 PM roycroft: i'm all about security, but things can be taken too far, and in this case they certainly have been
04:21 PM Tom_L: seems to have locked the pc
04:26 PM Tom_L: yeah something went wrong there.. i think the 6i24 may be bricked
04:27 PM Tom_L: with it in the pc, the pc bios won't come u
04:27 PM Tom_L: p
04:27 PM Tom_L: flashed my bitfile and it asked for permission 2x iirc
04:28 PM Tom_L: did a --reload and it locked up asking for the root password again
04:30 PM Tom_L: i can try the backup but i'll have to figure out how to configure the jumpers for it
04:31 PM Tom_L: the 'fallback' config
04:38 PM pcw-home: There are no jumper differences for fallback vs user configs
04:38 PM Tom_L: pcw-home, if i jumper W10 down do i need to move it back up to load the user bit file?
04:39 PM Tom_L: doc says W10 will ignore the eeprom and use internal defaults...
04:40 PM pcw-home: that is not related to FPGA configuration
04:40 PM Tom_L: so maybe i bricked it?
04:40 PM Tom_L: it won't even bring up the PC bios with the card in
04:41 PM pcw-home: Did you write the wrong bitfile to it?
04:41 PM Tom_L: no
04:41 PM Tom_L: 99% sure anyway
04:41 PM pcw-home: are you sure? That's the only way I can think of that would brick the card
04:42 PM Tom_L: i just built my config with webpack using the -16 fpga which is what it is
04:42 PM pcw-home: (also jumpering a 6I24 for 6I24 clocks but using a 5i24 config can cause issues)
04:43 PM Tom_L: that's a possibility
04:43 PM Tom_L: is that W7 & 9?
04:43 PM Tom_L: 7 is down 9 is up
04:44 PM pcw-home: I think that's right (should be 33 MHz PCI clock)
04:44 PM Tom_L: default for 5i24 it says..
04:44 PM Tom_L: yes 33mhz
04:44 PM JT-Shop: I was going to say I just fixed the annoying password issue but you seem to have bigger issues now
04:44 PM pcw-home: maybe bad bitfile
04:45 PM Tom_L: it's possible but i had the boards set right in the file
04:45 PM Tom_L: in the top file
04:45 PM pcw-home: I would try a untested bitfile as fallback
04:46 PM Tom_L: right now i need to get it to boot with the card in
04:46 PM pcw-home: Using the 5i24 project file?
04:46 PM Tom_L: yes
04:46 PM Tom_L: lemme boot in winders and double check
04:47 PM pcw-home: not running ISE in Linux?
04:47 PM Tom_L: i didn't install it on the new install yet
04:47 PM Tom_L: i did dl it
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04:48 PM pcw-home: if you have a bad bitfile, its awkward but on a 6I24 you can recover without JTAG
04:49 PM Tom_itx: using 5i24 ise
04:49 PM pcw-home: fivei24
04:49 PM Tom_itx: yes
04:49 PM Tom_itx: use work.i24_x16card.all;
04:50 PM Tom_itx: use work.PIN_SVST2_4_7I47S_MILL_A_72.all;
04:50 PM Tom_itx: which i use on the 7i90 7i80 etc
04:50 PM Tom_itx: copied it to the build directory
04:50 PM pcw-home: the card info is less important that the project (that links to the proper.ucf file)
04:51 PM Tom_itx: that would be the first line
04:51 PM Tom_itx: use work.i24_x16card.all;
04:51 PM Tom_itx: which is what it is
04:51 PM pcw-home: For untested bitfiles its better to put them in the fallback location
04:52 PM pcw-home: sudo mesaflash --device 5i24 --write somebitfile.bit --fallback
04:52 PM Tom_itx: so is it jtag time?
04:52 PM pcw-home: sudo mesaflash --device 5i24 --reload --fallback
04:52 PM Tom_itx: i have a jtag but would need assistance to get it loaded right
04:53 PM pcw-home: then a power cycle will recover
04:53 PM pcw-home: You can recover without JTAG
04:53 PM Tom_itx: i can try it again but i doubt the pc will boot
04:53 PM Tom_itx: that's the first obstacle
04:53 PM Tom_itx: lemme try
04:53 PM Tom_L: over here..
04:54 PM pcw-home: what you do is: (as you power up the PC) short the flash chip data line to GND
04:55 PM pcw-home: This will prevent the power-on FPGA load
04:55 PM pcw-home: so you should be able to boot
04:55 PM Tom_L: might be a trick to do that inside the pc
04:56 PM Tom_L: that wouldn't happen to be one of the jtag pins would it?
04:56 PM pcw-home: No
04:56 PM Tom_L: figures
04:56 PM pcw-home: its on the 8 pin flash chip
04:56 PM pcw-home: 25P16 or similar
04:57 PM Tom_L: 25P16VP
04:57 PM Tom_L: U6
04:58 PM Tom_L: if it boots then i should be able to reflash with a 'standard' bitfile?
05:00 PM XXCoder: The Faction Contributor intro is a lol
05:01 PM XXCoder: seems that guy also authored another story. that oves over 100 chapters
05:01 PM XXCoder: oops wrong channel
05:03 PM Tom_L: pcw-home, data pin 5?
05:03 PM Tom_L: looks like it ... just verifying
05:06 PM pcw-home: you can just short it to any adjacent pin
05:23 PM JT-Shop: pcw-home, does that work on all recent fpga cards?
05:33 PM pcw-home: The only cards that can recover from a bad bitfile (but one made for the correct FPGA) are the 6I24 and 6I25
05:35 PM pcw-home: that is if for example if you wrote a bitfile for a 7I80-16 to a 5I24-16, the bitfile will load correctly because it has the correct CRC etc
05:36 PM pcw-home: ant is for the same FPGA, but the pinout will be totally broken so is likely to hang the PCI/PCIE bus
05:37 PM pcw-home: Also the 7I96S is different and you should basically never use the fallback configuration
05:37 PM Tom_L: rebuilding it with webpack and the fivei24 xise should correct the pinout though right?
05:37 PM pcw-home: unless you need to do a full card initialization
05:38 PM Tom_L: i didn't just copy the bitfile over...
05:38 PM pcw-home: on a 6I24 I would still try the bitfile in the fallback location first
05:38 PM Tom_L: i'm just now getting back to it.. got interrupted
05:39 PM pcw-home: sudo mesaflash --device 5i24 --write somebitfile.bit --fallback
05:39 PM pcw-home: sudo mesaflash --device 5i24 --reload --fallback
05:39 PM Tom_L: so i can short pins 5 & 6 to get it to boot... 5 is D 6 is C
05:40 PM Tom_L: clock i presume
05:40 PM pcw-home: yeah just enough to corrupt the CRC
05:40 PM Tom_L: right
05:48 PM Tom_L: well that didn't work
05:54 PM Tom_L: tried another pc, same thing bios won't come up
05:57 PM pcw-home: so you are saying that preventing the FPGA load (so you get 2 red lights) doesn't allow the PC to boot?
05:58 PM Tom_L: one sec..
05:58 PM Tom_L: red & yellow leds
05:59 PM pcw-home: Yeah thats right on a 6I24
05:59 PM Tom_L: yeah that's what happens, no bios
06:00 PM Tom_L: shorting pins 5 & 6 on boot and holding for a bit
06:00 PM Tom_L: nothing
06:00 PM _unreal_: did yall miss me?
06:00 PM pcw-home: OK so that's not firmware related
06:01 PM Tom_L: not sure what it could be.. it was working just prior to running the firmware tool
06:02 PM Tom_L: it did ask for root rights several times
06:02 PM Tom_L: each call to mesaflash required root priv
06:03 PM Tom_L: above my paygrade..
06:04 PM Tom_L: W7 down, W9 up, W10 up
06:05 PM pcw-home: I would set W10 down
06:06 PM Tom_L: would removing it disconnect the data line?
06:06 PM Tom_L: probably not..
06:07 PM pcw-home: no, it just enables the bridge chip EEPROM if "UP"
06:08 PM Tom_L: W10 down same thing
06:08 PM Tom_L: i don't get it..
06:20 PM Tom_L: can try it on this pc i think
06:22 PM pcw-home: Not sure only thing I can think of is card has failed somehow or that the BIOS fails somehow if it doesn't find something on the far side of the PCIE --> PCI bridge
06:23 PM Tom_L: that bios was kinda picky with that card anyway
06:23 PM Tom_L: i'll try this pc and see if it matters
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06:25 PM JT-Shop: 26" mountain bike in hand e-bike parts on order... should be riding by Monday
06:25 PM JT-Shop: next Monday
06:26 PM JT-Shop: buddy came by with his e-bike so I took it for a short ride... I'm liking it
06:31 PM JT-Shop: https://electrek.co/2018/06/08/e-bikes-are-efficient-but-nothing-beats-this-400-mile-range-electric-recumbent-trike/
06:33 PM Tom_dev: so the new mesaflash won't run on wheezy?
06:33 PM Tom_dev: is there an older one that will still available?
06:34 PM roycroft: since it is april 72nd today there is no bike riding around here, e- or otherwise
06:34 PM XXCoder: 72nd
06:34 PM Tom_dev: JT-Shop, you removed yours?
06:34 PM XXCoder: also, april?
06:35 PM JT-Shop: removed what?
06:35 PM Tom_dev: your older version of mesaflash
06:35 PM Tom_dev: the new one won't run on wheezy i don't think
06:35 PM JT-Shop: installed over it
06:35 PM JT-Shop: dunno
06:35 PM Tom_dev: :/
06:35 PM roycroft: xxcoder: the april showers never stopped
06:35 PM roycroft: it won't be may until the rain stops
06:35 PM XXCoder: oh lol
06:36 PM XXCoder: i mowed yard today
06:36 PM XXCoder: clody but no rain
06:36 PM roycroft: 20mm of rain here so far today
06:36 PM JT-Shop: chow time...
06:36 PM JT-Shop: say goodnight Gracie
06:36 PM Tom_dev: maybe i found one..
06:36 PM Tom_dev: later
06:38 PM roycroft: we had a brief break from the rain on friday, and i was able to cut the grass in the front after work
06:38 PM roycroft: i was planning on cutting the back yard this weekend, but that's not been possible
06:39 PM XXCoder: yeserday was very sunny but I was really under weather with dizzyness
06:40 PM pcw-home: "so the new mesaflash won't run on wheezy?" Wont compile?
06:40 PM Tom_dev: right
06:40 PM Tom_dev: missing a file
06:40 PM pcw-home: Whats missing?
06:41 PM Tom_dev: one sec
06:41 PM Tom_dev: i just compiled the old one
06:41 PM XXCoder: roy im working on the joinery
06:41 PM XXCoder: its nicely metric so easy to do lol
06:41 PM Tom_dev: sha256.h
06:41 PM XXCoder: not sure about how to do some of it
06:41 PM Tom_dev: pcw-home, ^^
06:43 PM Tom_dev: did a git clone from linuxcnc/mesaflash
06:45 PM Tom_dev: called from eeprom.c
06:46 PM Tom_dev: #include <sha256.h>
06:51 PM Tom_dev: the package shown in wheezy package manager is 3.4.0~pre-1 which is what i had as a backup
06:53 PM Tom_dev: the old one might work
06:53 PM XXCoder: roy boy some of shape is really complex
06:54 PM Tom_dev: nope, i get nuthin on that pc as well... that's 3 of em
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07:17 PM Tom_L: pcw-home, probably not worth letting you look at it?
07:17 PM Tom_L: it was a test board anwway
07:17 PM Tom_L: anyway
07:22 PM XXCoder: roycroft: boy its too advanced for me to model in freecad lol
07:22 PM XXCoder: it looks simple but it isnt
07:24 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, what's that?
07:25 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtdQoT7saz0 joinery found in this video
07:26 PM Tom_L: if he can cut it, it shouldn't be that difficult
07:27 PM XXCoder: im reading up on loft now
07:27 PM Tom_L: if i wasn't busy with something i would
07:27 PM Tom_L: does he give dimensions?
07:27 PM XXCoder: not in video. i found a book :D
07:27 PM XXCoder: got picture of it if you want to see
07:27 PM Tom_L: anyway.. headin out a bit
07:28 PM Tom_L: no not now
07:28 PM XXCoder: ok
07:37 PM pcw-home: Tom_L I can take a look at it and reprogram with a working config (if the card is otherwise OK)
07:39 PM XXCoder: I did it!
07:39 PM XXCoder: loft is amazing
07:39 PM _unreal_: what is loft?
07:39 PM _unreal_: ARG.. so much left to get this machine running
07:39 PM XXCoder: https://imgur.com/l6fTdfP.png
07:41 PM _unreal_: ? not 100% sure what I'm looking at aside from some kind of tongue system.
07:41 PM XXCoder: its that fancy japanese joinery. watch that video
07:41 PM Tom_L: pcw-home, do i need an RMA or just send it with my name etc?
07:42 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: also, https://www.xsim.info/articles/FreeCAD/en-US/HowTo/Create-a-complex-shape-by-connecting-the-cross-sections.html
07:44 PM pcw-home: just send with your name
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08:01 PM roycroft: i just installed four more drawers
08:01 PM roycroft: it feels like forward progress again
08:14 PM t4nk_freenode: are the installed drawers completely done now?
08:15 PM roycroft: none of my drawers are completely done yet
08:15 PM roycroft: i'm installing the drawer boxes as i glue them up and finish them
08:15 PM t4nk_freenode: what do they need, a coat?
08:15 PM roycroft: when all the drawers are installed i'll make and install the drawer fronts
08:16 PM t4nk_freenode: ah, handles and such
08:16 PM roycroft: i rough cut and flattened the drawer front material the other day - it's sitting in the shop to do its bendy warpy thing for a few days after being machined
08:16 PM roycroft: i'll machine to final dimensions starting next weekend
08:16 PM roycroft: i have half of my drawer pulls varnished
08:17 PM XXCoder: nice
08:17 PM roycroft: i'll get around to doing the rest of them soon
08:17 PM roycroft: i also have about 75 fastener boxes printed, labeled, filled, and installed in the drawers
08:18 PM roycroft: i'm filling and labeling them as fast as they print
08:19 PM roycroft: my shipment from gst3d is delayed by ups until wednesday, so i may run out of filament again and have to wait a day
08:19 PM roycroft: i'm ok with the pace of things, though
08:39 PM roycroft: the long term forecast, if it holds true, is encouraging
08:40 PM roycroft: light rain off and on until late this week, then no more rain for the next couple weeks
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09:19 PM xxcoder8265[m]: roycroft
09:19 PM XXCoder: finally did it
09:49 PM roycroft: yes?
09:50 PM roycroft: oh, cool
09:50 PM roycroft: now print it :)
09:50 PM XXCoder: not yet need to make male version
09:51 PM XXCoder: made a stupid mistake. swapped faces for sketches
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10:34 PM XXCoder: crazy
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10:35 PM XXCoder: it isnt most complex on features, but methods to is
10:36 PM roycroft: four more drawers glued up
10:39 PM XXCoder: roy nice. did you see pics above?
10:40 PM roycroft: yeah, it's looking good
10:40 PM XXCoder: yeah. I need to add clearances to fit
10:40 PM XXCoder: whats chances of zero clearance fit lol
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11:07 PM Guest4371 is now known as dirty_d
11:15 PM dirty_d: if my Z max limit is 0, why would a G53 G0 Z0 cause a limit exceeded error?
11:15 PM dirty_d: Z-0.1 works
11:16 PM XXCoder: soft trigger and physical limit switch should be slightly past soft limit
11:17 PM XXCoder: ie when homing, it should go to limit switch, set that as -.1mm or something, and soft limit is 0