Jun 09 2022
01:06 AM randy: morning
01:22 AM Deejay: moin
02:30 AM travis_farmer853: G'Morning ☕
03:30 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:31 AM travis_farmer853: spent a while last night loading up a experimental computer with Debian 10, and expect to install LCNC on it a bit later today. then i can load Probe Basic on it and see if i like it. 🙂
04:31 AM travis_farmer853: i had planned on changing to this computer anyway, as it is a little more compact than the Dell PowerEdge R200 i am using now. hopefully the latency tests out better than the R200 did.
04:49 AM Tom_L: morning
04:54 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:26 AM c101horse8332[m]: Ive got two more small pc's im gonna try running lcnc on
06:08 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:14 AM travis_farmer853: installing linuxcnc-uspace on the test computer now... 🙂
10:49 AM JT-Shop2: down to making some blocking for the cap ends where they meet... glue drying on the patch... lunch minute
11:01 AM travis_farmer853: lunch time here too... frozen pizza 🙂
11:01 AM roycroft: it's just past breakfast time here
11:02 AM roycroft: i'll give that a go later on
11:02 AM roycroft: i also finally picked up a 2700mm track for my saw
11:03 AM roycroft: even with the new joining bars that i got, which align two tracks automagically, the two tracks i had were not quite long enough to cut a full sheet lengthwise in one go
11:03 AM roycroft: but now i can do it with a single track
11:04 AM roycroft: my timing on all of this really sucks, btw
11:04 AM Tom_L: roycroft, wait til the kids see _that_ setup outside your shop
11:04 AM roycroft: i had to break down 15 sheets for my cabinet project so far
11:04 AM roycroft: and i have one sheet to go
11:04 AM roycroft: so i built this new setup for the last sheet
11:04 AM roycroft: they saw me building it yesterday, tom_l
11:05 AM roycroft: the leader of that gang walked by and cussed at me, as is his custom
11:05 AM roycroft: and they all laughed when he did so, of course
11:07 AM roycroft: it saddens me, because there's a very good chance most of those kids will end up in the juvenile justice system before long, the way they're being raised
11:07 AM Tom_L: drywall lift wouldn't quite work for that
11:07 AM roycroft: no
11:08 AM roycroft: i'm thinking i could hang a couple 2x4s down on a long edge, hinged at the top, with feet at the bottom
11:08 AM roycroft: i could set the sheet on the feet and swing it up
11:08 AM roycroft: the problem with that is that the sawhorses are only about 35" wide, and my foam board is 48" wide, so it will overhang the sides
11:09 AM roycroft: i could cantilever it off one side, but that wouldn't be very good
11:09 AM Tom_L: might snap the foam
11:10 AM roycroft: i considered making the sacrificial boards on top of the horses stick out farther, so i could attach the lifting legs to the ends of them
11:11 AM roycroft: the problem with that is that i would not be able to install the long boards unless i attached the sacrificial boards every time i used it and removed them when i was done
11:11 AM roycroft: and that's too much work
11:12 AM roycroft: and leaving them on permanently would take up too much space when i stored them anyway
11:13 AM roycroft: i like loading directly from my van to the work stand, but my driveway is not long enough to do that and leave the van parked in the driveway - i'd have to back up, unload a sheet, park the van on the street, break down the sheet, repeat
11:13 AM roycroft: which most of the time is probably not a big deal, as i don't often break down multiple sheets at a time
11:30 AM roycroft: both rockler and woodcraft carry panel lifter carts
11:30 AM roycroft: they're about $250, which is a little pricey, but i'd consider getting one, other than the storage issue
11:39 AM Tom_L: make one
11:39 AM Tom_L: then the $250 won't look so bad
11:40 AM Tom_L: too bad you can't make a bracket that mounts under your sawhorse frame to tilt/lift them
11:42 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdo90fJ4KLk
11:42 AM Tom_L: somewhat adaptable to your need
11:45 AM Tom_L: bracet with one or two rear hatch air shocks mounted to it to help lift
11:45 AM Tom_L: you'd need a method for them to remain down during loading..
11:47 AM roycroft: that legup thing is exactly what i was thinking of
11:47 AM Tom_L: https://www.finewoodworking.com/forum/lifting-plywood-panels
11:48 AM roycroft: except i'd make them out of 2x4s
11:48 AM roycroft: but the problem is that i would have to extend the hinge at least 6" past the ends of the sawhorses
11:49 AM roycroft: maybe i can make something that i can clamp on to the horses after they're set up
11:49 AM Tom_L: https://www.woodsmith.com/article/swing-arm-sheet-goods-lift/
11:49 AM roycroft: i have that cutout in the middle of them so i can acces the carrying straps
11:49 AM roycroft: there's room for clamp jaws there
11:51 AM roycroft: all of those ideas are similar to what i want to do, tom_l, but they won't work for my setup because the pink foam board sticks out over 6" on each side of the sawhorses
11:51 AM roycroft: but clamping the lifts underneath might work well
11:52 AM roycroft: i'll have to play with that idea a bit
12:10 PM roycroft: that won't work, but i have some other ideas
12:14 PM travis_farmer853: hit a snag... i use my GitHub to store my configs, and GitKraken on both my laptop and my LCNC computer to keep each up to date with current configs (as well as fall-back if they don't work)...
12:14 PM travis_farmer853: so i installed gitkraken via Snap, as i have always done... but when i am on the LCNC computer (my new test computer), i can't run, or even find gitkraken, so i can't pull the configs to the new computer...
12:14 PM travis_farmer853: sure, i could use git command line, but i like the gui of gitkraken.
12:29 PM * JT-Shop2 likes git gui better than gitkraken
12:30 PM JT-Shop2: the 2 outside 90° cap doublers are done, working on the easy 2 straight doublers then the 4 also easy inside 45° doublers... saving the outside 45° doublers for last
12:30 PM JT-Shop2: there is hope the deck rail will be done today
12:54 PM * JT-Shop2 wonders where he put his cheap chinlee machinist combo square kit at?
01:46 PM JT-Shop2: I gotta make 8 outside 45° doublers and I don't have much 5/4 material left... going to make a template from pine
02:55 PM roycroft: i got the insides of all my drawer pulls sanded at lunch today, and have begun drilling the holes for the mounting screws
02:55 PM roycroft: i also have six of the last twelve drawer bottoms half finished
02:56 PM roycroft: i should have all of those done by this weekend, and then it's back to assembling drawers
02:56 PM roycroft: i hope to have them all done by a week from tomorrow
02:57 PM roycroft: i was supposed to work on our booth at the fair this weekend, but the site is half swamp, half mudpit right now, and it's closed to booth people this weekend
02:57 PM roycroft: only essential crew are allowed on site right now
02:58 PM roycroft: so the weekends of the 18th and 25th will be really busy for me - the weekend of 2 july is closed to booth work, and the fair starts on the 8th
03:09 PM * JT-Shop2 picks up and puts away all the tools used for the deck railing
03:09 PM * JT-Shop2 takes the rest of the week off!\
03:09 PM * t4nk_freenode cries scandal!
03:09 PM travis_farmer853: LOL
03:09 PM XXCoder: jt you're fired!
03:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: keep your money everyone, the message on the dev list about donating funds for keeping the LCNC servers working was completely ignored
03:25 PM XXCoder: sucks
03:27 PM roycroft: yeah, i noticed that it was ignored
03:27 PM roycroft: folks probably figured it wasn't their problem
03:27 PM roycroft: and it's not
03:27 PM roycroft: yet
03:28 PM roycroft: not until it stops working, at which point they'll start complaining
03:30 PM JT-Shop2: for a couple of years I was doing monthly maintenance on the forum but something happened to my ssh key for root, I've asked two devs to help me fix that and I was ignored
03:31 PM RoboticsNut[m]: does lcnc servers need funds?
03:32 PM XXCoder: everything need money, but dont think lcnc is hurting, but want to support a bit
03:32 PM XXCoder: jt they ever get back to you to fix it?
03:34 PM roycroft: my impression is that a new administrator for the website is needed more than money, but both are needed
03:34 PM JT-Shop2: there is still 5 months left on the last time I paid for a year
03:35 PM JT-Shop2: XXCoder: nope
03:35 PM roycroft: but there is also the issue of disk usage being over quota, and the request from the hosting provider to ugprade the hosting plan
03:35 PM XXCoder: jeez so once 5 months pass, website will shut down?
03:35 PM JT-Shop2: I'm an administrator for the web site as well as an owner for the forum
03:35 PM roycroft: no
03:35 PM JT-Shop2: no
03:36 PM roycroft: once 5 months pass jt will quietly pay for it again
03:36 PM roycroft: :)
03:36 PM JT-Shop2: in the past someone has paid for a year
03:36 PM JT-Shop2: last time roguish[m] paid, this time I paid
03:36 PM roycroft: what is the annual cost?
03:36 PM roycroft: for the current plan
03:37 PM JT-Shop2: let me go to the machine shop, I've never logged in on this pc but it's not much
03:38 PM cGFudHMh8356[m]: IMO if you want to give someone who runs servers a few bucks, send them a few bucks with paypal and be done with it, don't try to organize something that's way more complicated than the bucks are worth, because then that's just more they have to deal with.
03:39 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, it's $12 a month and there is $81 in credits at this moment
03:41 PM JT-Shop: not much to worry about there are 3 cards on file so if no credits the default card gets charged
03:41 PM * JT-Shop wanders down to spoil the hens
03:41 PM roycroft: and what about the hosting plan upgrade?
03:42 PM JT-Shop: I'm not sure
03:42 PM roycroft: i suppose in part that would depend on whether jepler steps down as admin or not
03:42 PM cGFudHMh8356[m]: huh the discord and irc are out of sync by about 10 minutes
03:42 PM roycroft: i know he's not interested in using wasabi or amazon s3
03:42 PM travis_farmer853: i never saw any post about donating funds... i mean, i have no money, but if i did i would gladly donate...
03:43 PM roycroft: but it's been discussed here that he may step down, if someone else will take over the job
03:43 PM roycroft: and that someone else may be interested in those other services
03:43 PM XXCoder: sometimes bridge bot stalls but will catch up sometimes
03:43 PM XXCoder: not perfect but better than no bridge
03:43 PM roycroft: wasabi is $5.99/TB/month, with no egrees or API charges
03:44 PM roycroft: it's a good place to store documents that are not accessed frequently
03:49 PM RoboticsNut[m]: Just went to Linuxcnc.org, and don't see a way to even donate 😦
03:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the bots will lag and then suddenly catch up with a flood
03:52 PM JT-Shop2: if someone want's to pay 3 or more months they can mail me a check and I'll deposit it and make a payment equal to the check
03:53 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:53 PM RoboticsNut[m]: Is it architecturally possible to run the main servo threads on a machine separate from the machine that runs the GUI?
03:53 PM travis_farmer853: IDEA:
03:53 PM travis_farmer853: it was discussed a while back about donations to the server, and what to do with any extra money.
03:53 PM travis_farmer853: proposal: use it to fund development of LCNC compatible Mesa boards and even some parallel port control BoB. this way users of LCNC will be sure and have a selection of boards within their price range, that have known working config plans.
03:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: sure, you and others but it's too much trouble even though somebody volunteered to manage everything
03:54 PM RoboticsNut[m]: The reason I ask this, is I'm using a RPi4 8GB computer and its running the servo threads and the main gui, but at 1,000,000 for the main servo thread delay its throwing errors, so I may need something more powerful or to over clock it, or see if I can use a different machine that isn't running the realtime os.
03:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Robotics Nut: firmware for the Rpi4 plainly sucks, you need to have a good firmware config and a good kernel
03:55 PM roycroft: mesa are a commercial company who design and build boards for cnc controllers - they are not an official part of the linuxcnc project
03:56 PM roycroft: mesa and linuxcnc have a close relationship, but they are not one and the same
03:56 PM cradek: just send some bucks. if there's a little extra, I promise someone who has maintained servers for a free software project for years deserves it.
03:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Robotics Nut: as Tom_L for his config, I think it's the one that LCNC hosts
03:57 PM roycroft: the ceo of mesa just happens to hang out here
03:57 PM roycroft: so does the janitor
03:57 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, there are 4 owners of linuxcnc.org and I'm one of them
03:57 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I'm using a prebuilt image to the SD card, and its running a realtime PiOS, so far so good, and my servo loop for one axis has been working, but I'm worried once I have 3 axes running that it will not be fast enough, also I as I understand it if my servo's are in velocity mode, it can run with much slower servo loops.
03:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Rpi4 works for many others for over a year
03:57 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I'm using closed loop AC servos as that is what my machine came with.
03:57 PM roycroft: and you are a mesa distributor
03:58 PM roycroft: but you are not mesa
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Robotics Nut: which realtime PiOS?
03:58 PM travis_farmer853: Capt: not sure if that reply was toward my idea or previous comment...
03:58 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I posted a few days ago with a running RPi, a motor, and MESA 7i77+7i92 working.
03:58 PM JT-Shop2: that's correct roycroft
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: doesn't matter, it's too much trouble
03:58 PM RoboticsNut[m]: it was a downloadable for the RPi that was claiming to be a realtime os.
03:59 PM travis_farmer853: Hmm, darn
03:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: just organize a open hardware project yourself
03:59 PM JT-Shop2: there's 3 placed to do things for the forum, the host where we take care of billing and droplets whatever that is and the forum admin page where to do things for the forum
03:59 PM RoboticsNut[m]: "LinuxCNC 2.8.1 Raspberry Pi OS based on Debian 10 Buster" sorry it was this one off the LinuxCNC downloads page.
04:00 PM RoboticsNut[m]: The nVidia Jetson TX2 I have has a realtime os, but I haven't used it yet.
04:00 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I don't know how difficult it would be to build LinuxCNC from sources to install on that.
04:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Robotics Nut: that should be working, not sure how they have the firmware configured or what the firmware instructions are for the Rpi4
04:00 PM travis_farmer853: sadly i can't even organize my life right now... but i will take the idea under deep thought
04:00 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I'm really hoping I can do this on the Pi4.
04:00 PM * JT-Shop2 goes to sharpen his carpenters chisel crazy sharp
04:01 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], they don't host it
04:01 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I've gotten it running with the RPi4 and a single axis.
04:01 PM RoboticsNut[m]: 3D gui seems responsive enough too.
04:01 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I'm actually really blown away with how powerful the RPi4 is.
04:01 PM XXCoder: yeah its pretty good
04:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Rpi4 firmware has overlapping configs, not sure what combo you need to have it in for it to work reliably, it also ignores or overrides some config settings for temp and clock speeds
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Robotics Nut: it does need a good heatsink or fans as well
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Robotics Nut: post your experience on the forums for help with your issues
04:02 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I have it mounted in a solid block of copper with direct heat spreaders from the relevant chips.
04:03 PM RoboticsNut[m]: no issues at the moment, I'm just wondering about the system architecture.
04:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if kept cool and with proper firmware config they behave
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04:04 PM RoboticsNut[m]: This is the case I have it mounted in, its a solid copper case, so thermal performance is excellent.
04:05 PM travis_farmer853: Hmmm, that is rather purdy...
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04:06 PM RoboticsNut[m]: AC servo motor test setup
04:06 PM RoboticsNut[m]: https://desalvoinc.com/collections/frontpage/products/solid-copper-maker-block-case-for-raspberry-pi-4
04:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the copper doesn't have to be thick, it's more about area, the thickness is for structure vs heat spreading
04:06 PM RoboticsNut[m]: these are the cases, they machine them from a solid block of copper.
04:07 PM Tom_L: RoboticsNut[m], http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/2.8-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/
04:07 PM Tom_L: have you tried one of those?
04:07 PM Tom_L: that's what i have on my rpi4
04:07 PM Tom_L: which ever one applies...
04:08 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc-uspace_188.8.131.52.gf324cd6e2_armhf.deb
04:08 PM Tom_L: would be my best guess
04:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pretty
04:09 PM Tom_L: y thank you :)
04:10 PM Tom_L: ... saw that the other day...
04:10 PM * RoboticsNut[m] uploaded a video: (6895KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/eUcQYALOPcgRJdLWtlSDRRYr/IMG_5747.mov >
04:10 PM Tom_L: certainly not worth that much
04:11 PM JT-Shop2: seems to be made of unobtainum
04:11 PM Tom_L: lots of things seem to be nowdays
04:11 PM JT-Shop2: I hate machining copper unless it's hard copper
04:11 PM RoboticsNut[m]: btw, its the RPi in the copper enclosure on the other desk that is running the servo thread, this RPI is just monitoring the serial port on the Motor Amp/Servo driver board.
04:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I don't know how many are using the Rpi4 with servos
04:11 PM Tom_L: too stringy for me
04:11 PM Tom_L: need really sharp cutters
04:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you are finding bugs you should at least discuss them on the forums
04:12 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I think with steppers it would work with out a problem, but I haven't seen any youtube posts with people using servos with it.
04:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: which mesa card is that?
04:12 PM XXCoder: oh yeah someone got link to mascot vector art at git?
04:12 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I did find some bugs, but I found the solutions looking at posts on the forums, so they were known, such as the PID tuner GUI not running, because of extra spaces in one of the Python files.
04:13 PM RoboticsNut[m]: 7i92+7i77.
04:13 PM XXCoder: need to finally work on mascot and upload my newer revision of it
04:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: are you getting real time errors @1,000,000 servo thread ?
04:14 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I think my servo driver boards are working in velocity mode, as they were really easy to tune.
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04:14 PM RoboticsNut[m]: yes.
04:14 PM RoboticsNut[m]: if I bump it up to 1,200,000 it runs fine.
04:15 PM Tom_L: iirc i set mine to 1,500,000
04:15 PM RoboticsNut[m]: oddly when I ran the latency test, opening up as many glxgear windows as possible this is what I got.
04:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: are you running a browser or playing a video when it throws the realtime errors?
04:15 PM Tom_L: but could probably bump it up some
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04:16 PM travis_farmer853: Max Jitter, not interval
04:16 PM RoboticsNut[m]: no I'm not, I don't run any browsers on the RPi running the servo loop, that is that machines only job.
04:17 PM * JT-Shop2 takes 5 with Jimmy C. Newman
04:17 PM XXCoder: its good way to get "im busy" stats on jitter etc
04:17 PM XXCoder: it gives you buit worse case so what you set should always work
04:18 PM JT-Shop2: I tried running my ip camera python on my rpi4 and the kernel shut it down when memory ran out
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds to me like a firmware setting issue
04:18 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I can also get another microSD card and try a fresh install incase something on my config is incorrect.
04:18 PM RoboticsNut[m]: ok.
04:18 PM XXCoder: on pc testing jitter, I tend to use full screen HD video of fireplace, along with few glxgears
04:18 PM XXCoder: on rpi dunno
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I ran the latency test for weeks and never even got close to 1,000,000
04:18 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I also don't have a good idea of what is acceptable for proper operation.
04:18 PM RoboticsNut[m]: that test is run while attempting to stress test the Pi.
04:19 PM RoboticsNut[m]: maybe I stressed it to much!
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was <200,000 worst case playing youtubes
04:19 PM XXCoder: my linuxcnc pc, I had 12k jitter, I just set according to settins 25k jitter
04:19 PM RoboticsNut[m]: wow.
04:19 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I probably had 16 instances of GLX gears running.
04:19 PM RoboticsNut[m]: lol.
04:19 PM RoboticsNut[m]: how do I fix the firmware issues?
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah GLX gears doesn't effect it too much
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: youtube is the latency killer
04:20 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I may have opened up a browser during the stress test too, but I never have browsers running when I'm running LinuxCNC.
04:20 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I wasn't playing any video.
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah why it sounds like the cpu cores are still speed stepping vs locked at one frequency
04:20 PM JT-Shop2: RoboticsNut[m]: I build a kernel https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/
04:21 PM travis_farmer853: sounds like something... even when i ran LCNC on a laptop, i never got over 100K
04:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: armbian, raspian and rpi firmware are all a big mess
04:22 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDfjXj5EGqI is good example. it keeps most of area busy with changing colors so it hits cpu or gpu pretty good
04:22 PM JT-Shop2: you might try adding the line from my instruction to /boot/cmdline.txt
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if they used u-boot for the rpi we could fix it but they never will because broadcom
04:23 PM roguish[m]: XXCoder: you can't fire him, he's already retired......
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it would give up some pathological grasp of power and control
04:23 PM XXCoder: aw lolo
04:23 PM RoboticsNut[m]: ugg.
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anyway, you want the rpi to stay at one core frequency over temp
04:23 PM XXCoder: cant make fork and do what is needed?
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so you can't set the core clock too high
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what the magic settings are I don't recall
04:24 PM RoboticsNut[m]: do you have a platform you recommend to run LinuxCNC on, I was considering the nVidia Jetson series, and possibly my TX2, I just don't know how well it would run on that.
04:24 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I will see what I can do.
04:24 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I'm also not wedded to using the RPi4 for this application.
04:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if it is too high when the cpu warms up it will slow it self down EVEN IF the settings supposedly lead you to believe that they won't change the core clock speed
04:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: see what everyone else is suing for Rpi4 settings
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/suing/using/
04:26 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I was considering this to run LinuxCNC on:
04:26 PM RoboticsNut[m]: https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/jetson-agx-orin-developer-kit
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: most people use x86 PC;s without any issues
04:26 PM RoboticsNut[m]: nVidia has decent support for a realtime OS on it.
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and even then some PC;s don't work due to BIOS/firmware issues
04:27 PM XXCoder: nvidia is starting to open source some of gpu drivers too
04:27 PM XXCoder: some of it, not all
04:28 PM RoboticsNut[m]: https://coastipc.com/nuvo-7531
04:28 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I would consider using something like this.
04:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ask on the forums for the magic firmware settings
04:28 PM Tom_L: i had a list of tweaks somewhere
04:29 PM RoboticsNut[m]: thank you 🙂
04:29 PM XXCoder: 257 usd
04:29 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I'm just getting started with this project.
04:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I think I posted my settings a couple of years ago
04:30 PM XXCoder: seems its getting hammered just like rpi4 is
04:30 PM RoboticsNut[m]: it was super exciting to get one motor working with closed feed back control 🙂
04:30 PM XXCoder: normal price is 60 usd
04:30 PM RoboticsNut[m]: When I purchased the BPT machine, I wasn't even sure if the servo drives and motors were good.
04:34 PM Tom_L: mmm my notes must be on the rpi4 which isn't accessable right now
04:35 PM roycroft: atomic filament does not print my boxes well without supports
04:35 PM roycroft: i'm going to tweak the hot end temp and see if i can get it to work better
04:38 PM Tom_L: if you feel like voiding the warranty:
04:38 PM Tom_L: gpu_freq=600
04:38 PM Tom_L: over_voltage=6
04:38 PM Tom_L: arm_freq=1800
04:41 PM XXCoder: roy what does failing look like? droopy or what
04:44 PM roycroft: the layers on the tab that goes across the top are sticking up at the top, and some of the filament strands on the underside of the tab are hanging down
04:44 PM roycroft: the tab itself, the parts of it that are intact, are fairly straight
04:45 PM roycroft: i just upped the temperature 5 degrees and will see how that works
04:45 PM XXCoder: yeah probablky not hot enough to stick properly
04:46 PM roycroft: i think the parts that are rough and sticking up are because the layer did not adhere properly and the nozzle snagged on it on the next pass
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04:46 PM Tom_L: thank me now for not hitting enter on that link :)
04:47 PM Tom_L: mustuv been longer than 'war and peace'
04:47 PM roycroft: i have some short spools of atomic filament that i won't be using for this project, now that i'm using gst3d for some of the colors
04:47 PM roycroft: so i can experiment with those to get the temperature dialed in
04:48 PM XXCoder: nice idea
04:48 PM XXCoder: edge precision pretty nice video today
04:48 PM XXCoder: his cnc programs finishes tend to look extremely clean
04:48 PM roycroft: i also have an almost full spool of red, which is for copper fasteners, and i probably won't use all of that for the rest of my life - i don't stock many copper fasteners, and don't anticipate adding many
04:49 PM roycroft: so i can use some of that to dial things in
04:50 PM XXCoder: indeed
04:50 PM XXCoder: red is good average-ish color to dial in with
04:54 PM travis_farmer853: i never saw it, i swear
04:57 PM travis_farmer853: either you guys are talking really fast, or Discord is just now catching up with ALL the chatter...
04:57 PM xxcoder8265[m]: its still catching up
04:58 PM JT-Shop2: wow we have some really hot days coming up in the mid to upper 90's
04:58 PM travis_farmer853: i feel like i am late to the meeting, and having to read the minutes back...
04:59 PM xxcoder8265[m]: once you see me and roy talking about 3d printing stuff you should be nearly caught up
04:59 PM travis_farmer853: lol, OK
05:00 PM travis_farmer853: i think the bridge needs to eat more fiber... make it more "regular" lol
05:03 PM travis_farmer853: there we go, finally up to date 🤣
05:04 PM xxcoder8265[m]: almost. sill dont see jts comment on ah there we go, caught up lol
05:04 PM JT-Shop2: tomorrow is a burn day for sure with 50% chance of rain and high of 75°F
05:05 PM XXCoder: wekk long of 60s to 50s f weather here lol
05:05 PM XXCoder: heavy rain now
05:05 PM JT-Shop2: we don't need any rain right now
05:05 PM travis_farmer853: so, now that it is up to date, how do i get my name in the hat for helping in some way? not necessarily, money, as i have none at the moment, but what can i do to help?
05:06 PM JT-Shop2: you can test my Mesa Configuration Tool
05:06 PM travis_farmer853: run on win or linux?
05:06 PM JT-Shop2: debian 10 >
05:07 PM JT-Shop2: debian => 10
05:07 PM travis_farmer853: ok, so i would have to do it on my shop computer. i can give it a try tomorrow
05:07 PM JT-Shop2: dunno what happened to the =
05:07 PM JT-Shop2: thanks
05:07 PM travis_farmer853: no problem 🙂
05:07 PM JT-Shop2: https://gnipsel.com/mesa/mesact/index.html
05:08 PM JT-Shop2: the documents for it need polishing for sure
05:09 PM * JT-Shop2 really likes the new error reporting system on mesact
05:11 PM * JT-Shop2 wonders if pcw-home fixed the 7i96S manual?
05:12 PM JT-Shop2: hmm didn't get the Huth cleaned up for a photo shoot to post on CL maybe tomorrow...
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05:22 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, is the errorsys a lib or something you came up with?
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05:22 PM deathofxbox8107[: Mmm so I tried adding the oiler clp to my Hal
05:22 PM deathofxbox8107[: And its spitting this out
05:23 PM deathofxbox8107[: Any thoughts on what I did wrong ?
05:23 PM Tom_L: find output 20 syntax and fix it
05:23 PM JT-Shop2: it's a python 3 lib
05:24 PM Tom_L: duplicate component name?
05:24 PM Tom_L: those are 2 hints
05:26 PM deathofxbox8107[: Hmmm
05:26 PM Tom_L: can you loadusr classicladder 2x?
05:26 PM deathofxbox8107[: Commented out the other classicladder clp
05:26 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:26 PM deathofxbox8107[: I don't thing so
05:26 PM Tom_L: maybe you can include both on one line
05:26 PM Tom_L: i don't use cl
05:26 PM deathofxbox8107[: Still thinks my output 20 doesn't exists werid
05:26 PM Tom_L: do a pin dump
05:27 PM Tom_L: --readhmid
05:27 PM Tom_L: with mesaflash
05:27 PM Tom_L: or hal show
05:28 PM Tom_L: is there too many .0.0. on that line?
05:29 PM JT-Shop2: deathofxbox8107[: do you have field power?
05:29 PM deathofxbox8107[: Ha
05:29 PM Tom_L: oopsie
05:29 PM deathofxbox8107[: I'm a dumb ass idk why I thought I had 17 outputs
05:30 PM deathofxbox8107[: Forgot it started at 0 loo
05:30 PM deathofxbox8107[: s/17/20/
05:30 PM deathofxbox8107[: As well
05:31 PM JT-Shop2: first time since I built the deck 22 years ago the hand rail is complete
05:32 PM Tom_L: :)
05:32 PM JT-Shop2: started out with a 2x6 cap but didn't like that and switched to a 4/4 deck board but never finished putting the cap on
05:32 PM Tom_L: i had a few burn days earlier after cleaning up all the branches from the storm
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: once I got started I was on a mission to complete it
05:33 PM Tom_L: teach that to this genertion please
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: I prob have a truck load of branches lol
05:33 PM Tom_L: generation
05:34 PM Tom_L: still got a couple but i'm not gonna climb up there just yet
05:34 PM JT-Shop2: seems each generation recedes in spirit and drive except for a few
05:35 PM roguish[m]: 92 here right now.
05:35 PM JT-Shop2: Beatles I want You (She's So Heavy)
05:36 PM roguish[m]: forecast 99 tomorrow
05:36 PM JT-Shop2: what's the humidity out there?
05:36 PM roguish[m]: 28% low
05:36 PM JT-Shop2: 75°F here tomorrow
05:36 PM XXCoder: washingtonian forever rain here
05:37 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: I'm going to get a 26" MB and put a rear hub drive on it to go to town lol
05:37 PM XXCoder: might be flood risk
05:37 PM roguish[m]: just ordered 2 pulleys and a belt for the X axis on my mill. 3:1
05:37 PM JT-Shop2: if it floods here the rest of the world is in deep shit
05:38 PM roguish[m]: i'm at about 240' elevation, so sea lever rise doesn't bother me.
05:38 PM JT-Shop2: Doug Kershaw Promised Land
05:38 PM roguish[m]: just giggle at it
05:39 PM roguish[m]: paid $6.80 a gallon yesterday........
05:39 PM roguish[m]: still going up. someone, somewhere is making one hell of a lot of money.
05:39 PM JT-Shop2: damn
05:40 PM XXCoder: its over $5.50 gal here I think now
05:40 PM JT-Shop2: I'm about 400' asl
05:40 PM XXCoder: but south cal is over $10 gal I think
05:40 PM roguish[m]: and people are still buying and driving monster cars.
05:40 PM JT-Shop2: $4.60 last time I went to town
05:40 PM XXCoder: around 380 feet here, though theres areas tht can flood anyway
05:40 PM roguish[m]: racing on the freeways.
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: I mostly drive the Honda Insight which gets 45-46MPG
05:41 PM XXCoder: ford focus, 30 mpg or so
05:41 PM roguish[m]: remember what happened when OPEC jacked us in the '74 ???
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: the flooding around here is from rivers rising
05:41 PM roguish[m]: 55 mph.
05:41 PM XXCoder: 55 mph you call that speeding?
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: I drive slower now
05:42 PM XXCoder: on 70 mph highways for long distance i usually drive 75 mph
05:42 PM XXCoder: on 60, 65.
05:42 PM roguish[m]: XXCoder: that's what the government did in '74.
05:42 PM XXCoder: though with insane gas prices id probably go 60 mph on both now if im going any distance
05:43 PM JT-Shop2: the Insight gets 45MPG at 65MPH
05:43 PM XXCoder: I so want to have ev but no job to pay for it lol
05:43 PM JT-Shop2: I only drive the truck if I need a truck
05:43 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2: you have an Insight?
05:43 PM JT-Shop2: yep
05:43 PM RoboticsNut[m]: TOM_L, thank you for the link, I'm not sure which one I downloaded, as it was last fall when I downloaded it, and set it up on the Pi, Pi is at the shop which I'm not up at today.
05:43 PM roguish[m]: that's cool.
05:44 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: 2019 Insight
05:44 PM JT-Shop2: Touring, which gets a bit less than the base model
05:45 PM roguish[m]: those are supposed to be really good, little cars.
05:46 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.eliomotors.com/
05:46 PM JT-Shop2: elio seems to be on the right track now
05:46 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop2: I went all in on that :( in years ago
05:46 PM XXCoder: yeah I think this is just last ditch attempot to stay revelant
05:46 PM JT-Shop2: it's really spacious and lots of interior room
05:47 PM XXCoder: id not invest in it now
05:48 PM JT-Shop2: they just need to produce some lol
05:48 PM JT-Shop2: I think it's a better idea than the gas engine they started with
05:49 PM JT-Shop2: honda has a 10 year plan to be all electric
05:49 PM roguish[m]: there's a bunch of EV's around the corner. another couple years.......
05:49 PM XXCoder: better plan, probably, except 14k for 110 mile range is meh
05:50 PM JT-Shop2: elio needs a carport with solar panels to charge the car
05:50 PM JT-Shop2: 156 mile range
05:51 PM XXCoder: oh yes. yeah. i'd derate it to 100 though
05:51 PM XXCoder: since they dont have physical one to test range etc
05:52 PM JT-Shop2: price a tesla lol
05:53 PM roguish[m]: Teslas are like fleas on a dog out here..
05:54 PM XXCoder: elio well they stopped updating anything for years now
05:54 PM roguish[m]: a buddy put a deposit on a Rivian truck a couple years ago
05:54 PM XXCoder: last blog, 2019. last youtube video, 4 years ago
05:54 PM XXCoder: last twitter, 2018
05:55 PM roguish[m]: this web site has the best EV news.... https://electrek.co/
05:56 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: what do you mean by fleas on a dog/
05:56 PM JT-Shop2: ?
05:56 PM XXCoder: found a rss feed for it. https://feeds.feedburner.com/ElectrekPodcast
05:57 PM roguish[m]: they're everywhere (my grandmother's old expression)
05:57 PM XXCoder: erm https://electrek.co/podcasts/electrek/feed/
05:58 PM JT-Shop2: ah
05:58 PM * JT-Shop2 feels like some hot dogs for dinner
05:59 PM roguish[m]: don't forget a beer....
05:59 PM XXCoder: newsflash is excellent rss feed program if want one
05:59 PM JT-Shop2: tomorrow is beer night
06:00 PM JT-Shop2: say goodnight Grace
06:00 PM JT-Shop2: Gracy
06:00 PM roguish[m]: caio
06:01 PM roycroft: well that was nice - i was pricing out 4/4 ash for my drawer fronts the other day, and the main supplier i use was at $7.99, while another one that i use occasionally was at $3.89
06:01 PM roycroft: huge difference
06:02 PM roycroft: the cheaper one had 4 units of ash, all bundled up on pallets, and all the wide boards that i needed were at the bottom of the pallets
06:02 PM roycroft: it would have taken me hours to pick through that stuff, assuming they would let me
06:03 PM roycroft: the more expensive supplier had plenty of wide boards easily accessible, so i figured i'd bite the bullet and pay more for the convenience
06:03 PM roycroft: i told them the price at the other place, and they matched it
06:03 PM roycroft: that saved me about $200
06:03 PM XXCoder: not bad
06:05 PM roycroft: and the box that i printed 5 degrees hotter is way worse
06:06 PM roycroft: i don't have time to do any troubleshooting right now - i'll look into it again later on this evening
06:07 PM XXCoder: if it got worse, then its probably heat creep, lower it back down and do more fan blow, or lower temp some more
06:34 PM roycroft: i need to inspect the machine before i do anything else
06:35 PM roycroft: to see if something is physically wrong
06:35 PM roycroft: i'll do that after dinner
06:38 PM XXCoder: ok
09:04 PM _unreal_: so I'm starting to assemble parts now on the big CNC
09:04 PM _unreal_: just did my dryfit of the Y arm bases.
09:04 PM _unreal_: something changed?? Ineed to lap them again
09:23 PM XXCoder: BAH!
09:23 PM XXCoder: hate it when I buy a machine and it comes with wrong power brick
09:23 PM _unreal_: ?
09:24 PM XXCoder: its a time waster,. I have to contact seller
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09:59 PM roycroft: i got all my drawer fronts cut to rough length, and finished drilling the mounting holds in my drawer pulls
09:59 PM XXCoder: awesome
09:59 PM roycroft: i used my new sawhorses for the first time - that went great
10:00 PM roycroft: the board were wide, so i used my track saw to cut them up
10:00 PM roycroft: with the pink foam board underneath
10:01 PM roycroft: i really need to make and install the countertop before i can install the drawer fronts, but i wanted to cut them up and rough mill them, and let them sit for a week or so before final milling
10:01 PM XXCoder: that might expose some warping too
10:02 PM roycroft: yes, that's why i rough mill oversize firt
10:02 PM roycroft: first
10:03 PM roycroft: to let it move before final milling
10:03 PM roycroft: it was moving as i cut it up
10:07 PM XXCoder: nice