#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 08 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:01 AM Deejay: moin
02:16 AM randy: morning
02:20 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:57 AM IareTosevite[m]: sucks when have some issues with browser lol
02:58 AM travis_farmer853: ???
03:03 AM IareTosevite[m]: firefox dont start properly for some reason
03:03 AM IareTosevite[m]: been fine for years
03:04 AM travis_farmer853: oh... the way the first message was, i thought i was missing the rest of the conversation somewhere. 😉
03:05 AM IareTosevite[m]: btw in xxcoder. this is discord backup
03:05 AM XXCoder: omg hi self
03:05 AM travis_farmer853: i was wondering why i never saw that account before... and that it was an admin 🤣
03:06 AM XXCoder: lol
03:11 AM xxcoder8265[m]: bah just force closed and started again. previous tabs is gone
03:12 AM travis_farmer853: hmmm... not sure what would cause that 🤔
03:12 AM XXCoder: not sure yet
03:12 AM XXCoder: im in firefox irc to find ouyt
03:14 AM travis_farmer853: it's like on this laptop, i get constant crashes of the Windows Explorer service. no idea why... just a windows being windows thing, i guess
03:16 AM XXCoder: havent used windows for quite a while
03:18 AM travis_farmer853: i used to run entirely Linux, but i missed being able to use certain programs that my primary laptop runs windows, but everything else uses Linux of various flavors.
03:20 AM travis_farmer853: * i used to run entirely Linux, but i missed being able to use certain programs. so my primary laptop runs windows, but everything else uses Linux of various flavors.
03:20 AM XXCoder: thats cool
03:20 AM XXCoder: xfce mint on my pc
03:22 AM travis_farmer853: i have Debian on my linux laptop and my website server, TrueNAS (FreeBSD) on my file server, FreePBX (CentOS) on my VoIP server
03:26 AM XXCoder: i forget whats on my acer aspire one
03:27 AM travis_farmer853: as long as it isn't Mac/Apple 😉 i have a distinct hatred for Apple, though i don't remember exactly why...
03:45 AM Loetmichel: *giggle* $me just now: *SNEEEEEEEZE!!!!* 5 coworkers: "Bless you!" One:"Mop that up!" ... phone call from the office one story up: "Bless you. Everone awake again?" :)
03:47 AM travis_farmer853: did you get any on you? lol
03:50 AM XXCoder: covvvvvid
03:50 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: no, brass dust from using a dremel on an enclosure
03:51 AM XXCoder: lol
04:18 AM Contract_PilotRh: No linux cnc but new machine JPT M7 MOPA 60W Fiber https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Rhine-Labs-JPT-M7-60W-Mopa-Fiber-Laser-573x1024.jpg
04:18 AM XXCoder: is it some sort of cmm?
04:20 AM Contract_PilotRh: Fiber Laser
04:20 AM XXCoder: its really small fiber laser machine? cutter? engraving?
04:24 AM Contract_PilotRh: Engraving
04:24 AM XXCoder: interesting
04:24 AM Contract_PilotRh: 60 Watt is good for what i need it for
04:24 AM XXCoder: im surpised on no enclosure tho
04:25 AM Loetmichel: enclosure is for weaklings.
04:25 AM Loetmichel: you know that old sign at the Laser lab? "Protect your remaining eye!" :)
04:26 AM XXCoder: yeah, I have below average number of senses. I dont care to lose yet another
04:26 AM Loetmichel: yeah, i can imagine that being deaf AND blind is not desireable.
04:28 AM XXCoder: yeah hearing isnt only sense I didnt get :D
04:28 AM travis_farmer853: kind of reminds me of a question: how to focus a laser, when you can't look at even the reflection?
04:28 AM XXCoder: some machine have low power fire test
04:28 AM XXCoder: very low power
04:29 AM travis_farmer853: i tried mine at the lowest PWM, and it is still pretty bright.
04:29 AM travis_farmer853: only 5W
04:30 AM XXCoder: get goggles rated for exactly the NM your laser is
04:30 AM XXCoder: or more properly, peak filter being that nm
04:30 AM XXCoder: when I bought cheap chineseium laser machine, I bought good goggles for blue laser
04:32 AM travis_farmer853: ok, now i have to see if i can find the nm color. it is a chineseium laser, blue. i will see what i can find
04:32 AM XXCoder: 60w? its bit more likely co2
04:33 AM travis_farmer853: hmm, i guess it is a 20W "NEJE 20W 450nm"
04:34 AM XXCoder: right at border between blue and violet
04:35 AM XXCoder: https://www.chroma.com/sites/default/files/EMSpectrum.jpg this shows as right at middle of blue
04:37 AM XXCoder: well off to bed laters
04:37 AM travis_farmer853: bed, but it is just morning, here 😉
04:43 AM Contract_PilotRh: 60W Fiber not CO2
04:44 AM Contract_PilotRh: YDFLP-60-M7-L1-R is laser source
05:00 AM Tom_L: morning
05:04 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Hello everyone.
05:04 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I want to embed a qtvcp tab and/or panel to Axis UI.
05:04 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I tried different ways, but could not succeed
05:04 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: It works when opening in a separate window.
05:06 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * Hello everyone.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/280c2afb95824a5bf881dbd2ea9c10d829ab5b25)
05:07 AM Tom_L: don't think you can mix qtpyvcp with pyvcp
05:07 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/gui/pyvcp-examples.html
05:07 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Where is pyvcp?
05:08 AM Tom_L: there are the pyvcp examples
05:08 AM Tom_L: and you can look at my config http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SH
05:08 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: But people reported success.
05:08 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I also was able to embed it into right panel. Not everything ok, but was working
05:09 AM Tom_L: join qtpyvcp on matrix and ask
05:09 AM Tom_L: you'd likely get more help there
05:10 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I already did. But that's a different tool
05:11 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: qtvcp and qtpyvcp
05:11 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/rpi4_lcnc_2.8.1.png
05:11 AM Tom_L: there's an example of mine and i posted the link to the code
05:12 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Tom_L: Does not open
05:12 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: > <@Tom_L:libera.chat> and you can look at my config http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SH
05:12 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * 404 Not found
05:12 AM Tom_L: your port 81 is blocked
05:12 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I know these for years. I want Qt
05:13 AM Tom_L: can't help you then
05:13 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Thanks for trying! ;)
05:13 AM Tom_L: pretty sure you can't mix pyvcp and qtpyvcp
05:14 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: But where did you get pyvcp from I did not tell a word about it
05:14 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * pyvcp from? I
05:16 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:19 AM JT-Cave: try PyQtVCP
05:20 AM JT-Cave: without axis
05:21 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: QtPyVCP? I learned that such exists half an hour ago.
05:21 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: It requires Debian 11. I am not sure...
05:21 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I need dxf2gcode for the integration
05:22 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: dxf2gcode installation conflicts with Qt designer LinuxCNC widgets
05:23 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Either one or another. I thought I don't want to risk moving to new OS version I never tried yet
05:23 AM JT-Cave: yes QtPyVCP
05:23 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: And they conflict with NativeCAM, which I would happily use in this project, but can't
05:24 AM JT-Cave: https://github.com/jethornton/mill_touch_v6
05:24 AM JT-Cave: that's my BP mill
05:25 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: And why yet-another UI? Why not one of QtVCP screens
05:25 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * QtVCP screens?
05:29 AM JT-Cave: I like mine to be as it is and don't care for QtVCP forcing me to do something
05:29 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I understand that, but I want community support and bug, feature updates
05:34 AM JT-Cave: you can hardly call one person a community lol have you looked at gmoocapppy
05:34 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I know :)
05:38 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I don't know who develops QtVCP, but Plasmac and qtvcp documentation looks promising
05:38 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * I don't know how many people develop QtVCP, but Plasmac and qtvcp documentation looks promising
05:50 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: We as community would benefit from cooperation, not individuality here
05:52 AM travis_farmer853: everybody's machines and needs are different, so it is hard to build a single one-and-done GUI to meet everyone's needs.
05:53 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Yes, but some framework could be common
05:53 AM travis_farmer853: LinuxCNC is the common framework...
05:54 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: probably intermediate layers (also macros) between backend and UI and also UI components
05:54 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: s/also//
05:56 AM travis_farmer853: for example, i use qtdragon for my GUI (http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui/qtdragon.html), but i will also be looking into Probe Basic (https://smallshopconcepts.com/products/probe-basic-linuxcnc-user-interface) to see if it suits my needs.
05:59 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Wow, I saw similar screenshots, but could not have thought that UI is named like this
05:59 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: 'probe' is for one type of operations only
05:59 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I never met it's docs
05:59 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: s/it's/its/
06:00 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: This is a tradition to have awfull UI names here? :D
06:01 AM travis_farmer853: probably a factor of trying not to infringe on the names of somebody else's work
06:03 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Again - if we are community, then finding and guaranteeing unique name should not be that hard
06:03 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * that hard. Could lccn docs be used for that?
06:03 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * that hard. Could lcnc docs be used for that?
06:04 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: BTW, how about other channels I see in discord. Can I reach them on matrix?
06:06 AM travis_farmer853: i think only very few discord channels are bridged
06:07 AM travis_farmer853: but they are working on that
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08:24 AM JT-Cave: yea stepper spindle is almost done in mesact
09:10 AM JoseIgnacioRomer: ooh that probe basic ui looks neat
09:12 AM travis_farmer853: yeah it does, Jose. i have not yet tried it, but i hope to at some point today
11:00 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I can't find how to set Axis window size and position
11:26 AM JT-Shop2: I think I just sold the Delta X15 planer
11:28 AM roycroft: nice
11:29 AM roycroft: i'd expect it to go quickly - it's a good machine
11:29 AM roycroft: and your asking price is quite reasonable, with the helical head
11:37 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, what does stepper spindle do?
11:54 AM JT-Shop2: if you have a small stepper lathe and the spindle is powered by a stepper... or you have a small mill and the spindle is powered by a stepper...
12:04 PM pcw-home: Also you can use a step/dir driven servo for a spindle (and some VFDs accept step/dir)
12:06 PM roycroft: nice - sceptre told me that i have to pay shipping to them for my display repair, but then they sent me a fedex shipping label
12:09 PM JT-Shop: I forgot about that
12:09 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, nice
12:09 PM roycroft: yeah, i like it when vendors take care of their problems
12:14 PM roycroft: have you seen the bora centipede workstands, jt-shop?
12:14 PM roycroft: i am getting really tired of getting down on my knees on my driveway to break down sheet goods
12:15 PM roycroft: and i've decided i need some kind of super portable way to hold sheet goods at bench height
12:15 PM roycroft: i'm having a hard time deciding whether the centipede will work out well
12:15 PM JT-Shop2: I think I've seen them at Menards but didn
12:16 PM JT-Shop2: 't pay much attention to them
12:16 PM JT-Shop2: I just use saw horses that fold up
12:17 PM roycroft: i lay my sheet goods on top of a piece of pink insulation foam to cut them
12:17 PM roycroft: i need something that will support that foam
12:17 PM JT-Shop2: no chopped up saw horse that way
12:18 PM roycroft: i might just use some saw horses and make a frame out of 2x6s that will mesh together and support the foam board
12:18 PM roycroft: i want to invest as little money as possible, but more importantly, have whatever i put together store in the smallest space possible
12:19 PM JT-Shop2: understand that for sure
12:19 PM JT-Shop2: the bora with a table top looks interesting...
12:20 PM DigitalReaper: i've heard hollow core doors make decent lightweight work surfaces
12:20 PM JT-Shop2: 2-4 2x4's laying flat should support the foam sheet
12:20 PM roycroft: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-43-in-W-x-30-in-H-Steel-Saw-Horse-1-100-lb-Capacity/1001349776
12:20 PM roycroft: a pair of those would support a 2x6 frame nicely
12:20 PM DigitalReaper: they're just torsion boxes so very stiff for their weight
12:20 PM DigitalReaper: maybe you could pick up a used one somewhere?
12:21 PM JT-Shop2: yep, instant table
12:21 PM roycroft: and 2x4s might stick up high enough on the end brackets to work
12:21 PM JT-Shop2: I think 2x4 would be heavy enough on edge
12:21 PM roycroft: they would
12:21 PM roycroft: i was only thinking about 2x6s in case i ever used it without the foam board, and put grooves in the frame
12:22 PM roycroft: with 2x6s i could run them through the thicknesser once in a while to make the tops flat again
12:22 PM roycroft: but if i just use the foam board all the time, then 2x4s would be fine
12:22 PM roycroft: heck, 2x3s would work, if they stick up high enough
12:22 PM * JT-Shop2 wanders out to the deck to put the 3rd to last 2x4 on
12:23 PM roycroft: in fact, i think i have some 2x8s that are left over from my old lean-to shed storage that i got rid of recently
12:23 PM roycroft: i could rip them in have and do this for zero cost, other than the saw horses
12:24 PM roycroft: i have a pair of those metal saw horses already, but i often use them to hold the pieces i cut off of the sheet goods, so i'd want another set for the cutting table
12:24 PM * roycroft has just declared himself officially too old to kneel on the ground any more
12:25 PM DigitalReaper: if you use 1 of the 2x8s for the rails, could you glue them to your foam board and use the other 2x8 to make (folding?) legs for it?
12:32 PM * JT-Shop2 only kneels on padding of some sort
12:33 PM JT-Shop2: roycroft: that is starting to sound like a good temp table setup, take a photo of it if you build it
12:49 PM roycroft: i just found a different one that will work even better
12:49 PM roycroft: https://toughbuilt.com/product/c700-sawhorse-jobsite-table-test
12:50 PM roycroft: with that model i can screw some sacrificial 2x4s across the tops, and the side jaws hold both 2x4s and 2x6s
12:50 PM roycroft: with the basic setup, if you put a 2x4 on edge in the side jaws, it is flush with the top of the sawhorse
12:51 PM roycroft: but they have some flip-out 1.5" spacers, and if you use those, then the 2x4s on edge will be flush with the sacrifical 2x4s on the top
12:51 PM roycroft: plus, the home depot in west eugene have them in stock today
12:51 PM JT-Shop2: what do they cost?
12:51 PM roycroft: so i think i'll go pick some up at lunch time
12:52 PM roycroft: $60 each
12:52 PM roycroft: they are also adjustable height
12:52 PM XXCoder: MariusAlksnys[m]: only linuxcnc and qtpyvcp is bridged. development still needs permits to bridge
12:52 PM JT-Shop2: from the looks of them they are worth it and the adjustable height is a super bonus
12:52 PM roycroft: i can set them as low as 25", which is awesome if i want to make an assembly/finishing table for cabinets and big pieces of furniture
12:53 PM roycroft: i'm thinking that for breaking donw sheet goods, i'll attach the sacrificial 2x4s to the top, and for the long, on-edge 2x4s, i can attach some joist hangers, and just drop 2x4 crossmembers in when i need to set it up that way
12:54 PM roycroft: i think this will be much better than the centipedes, more portable, and more flexible
12:55 PM roycroft: also, my driveway is pitched fairly steeply
12:55 PM roycroft: it's always a hassle working on sheet goods on the driveway, but with the adjutable legs, i should be able to set it up level
12:55 PM XXCoder: roy lol one of houses we was considering had 45 degree driveway
12:55 PM roycroft: it's not that steep
12:55 PM roycroft: but it's about 10 degrees or so
12:55 PM roycroft: which is pretty steep for me
12:55 PM XXCoder: it was little more than a joke or decocation. cant park there at all
12:56 PM roycroft: 20 degrees is almost too steep to drive up
12:56 PM roycroft: so yeah, i think i'm going to get a pair of those
12:56 PM roycroft: my knees and my back will thank me immediately
12:56 PM XXCoder: indeed
12:57 PM roycroft: if i put sacrifical 2x6s on the tops i'll have a clamping surface a well
12:57 PM roycroft: but storage would be messier
12:58 PM roycroft: i could just build a mft table in 2'x4' sections if i want a clamping work surface
01:06 PM JT-Shop2: crap, my last to long boards on the rail and cap are 1/2" too short... the cap is a 5/4 deck board, I wonder can I glue in a filler with something on a pt board?
01:06 PM JT-Shop2: the 2x4 I'll just get another one
01:07 PM JT-Shop2: to save trips while I'm in town I'll get 5 bags of scratch and 5 bales of straw and a bag of PDZ
01:09 PM DigitalReaper: if it's structural i'd avoid just gluing a bit directly on the end. use a half lap, or better yet a scarf joint. throw some screws/nails in for good measure
01:09 PM JT-Shop2: just the cap board and not structural
01:09 PM JT-Shop2: that's why I'm replacing the 2x4 it's the structural component
01:10 PM JT-Shop2: I'd hate to buy another 16' 5/4 deck board if I don't have to
01:10 PM DigitalReaper: I wonder if construction adhesive would be a good choice then
01:11 PM JT-Shop2: that might work at assembly on the end grain
01:11 PM DigitalReaper: or predrill to avoid splitting and end-nail it
01:11 PM roycroft: if these sawhorses work out well i might get another set later
01:11 PM JT-Shop2: only 3/4" long
01:11 PM roycroft: the metal ones i have not are non-adjustable, and when i was cutting up the melamine for my cabinets i was stacking the cuts on them out on the driveway
01:12 PM roycroft: because of the pitch, and because melamine is so slippery, they pieces would start sliding downhill every time i touched the stack - i had to be very careful with them
01:12 PM roycroft: setting the horses up level would be such a big help
01:12 PM JT-Shop2: hmm a couple of finish nails would keep it in place as well as some construction adhesive
01:13 PM roycroft: titebond 3 is waterproof and is stronger than construction adhesive
01:13 PM unterhaus_: I bought a meanwell power supply for my 3d printer, it was 2/3 the price of the other vendors
01:13 PM roycroft: meanwell power supplies are pretty good
01:13 PM unterhaus_: I don't know how you would tell if a power supply was fake
01:13 PM DigitalReaper: if the joint fails how difficult would it be to repair? or could you live with the (cosmetic?) defect?
01:13 PM roycroft: but yes, there are counterfeit meanwells
01:14 PM unterhaus_: it was set to 230v
01:14 PM roycroft: unterhaus_: you can usually tell by the blue smoke
01:14 PM unterhaus_: I'll have to try it on my power supply load
01:14 PM DigitalReaper: I thought meanwells were all universal input?
01:15 PM DigitalReaper: you could look up a picture of a genuine one by model number and compare
01:15 PM unterhaus_: it's a good copy
01:15 PM unterhaus_: as far as how it looks
01:16 PM DigitalReaper: look up the offical specs and compare weights maybe?
01:16 PM DigitalReaper: a knockoff would almost certainly use smaller/lighter (and therefore cheaper) components
01:16 PM unterhaus_: the datasheet from mouser talks about a switch for input voltage
01:19 PM roycroft: most of my larger meanwells are dual-voltage
01:19 PM roycroft: the small ones are universal
01:19 PM unterhaus_: 150W, so somewhere in the middle
01:20 PM unterhaus_: only problem is I "organized" all my power connectors, so I have no idea where they are
01:23 PM JT-Shop2: I have titebond 3
01:24 PM JT-Shop2: even if it came loose there is a board under it connecting the two cap boards
01:26 PM JT-Shop2: that's the plan have everything in place and glue the filler in with tightbond 3
02:15 PM travis_farmer853: my plans this afternoon was foiled... by unexpected heat. the shop is like an oven right now, so i will have to try for morning tomorrow. and i was really looking forward to trying the Probe Basic GUI...
02:36 PM XXCoder: roycroft: looks like someone had similiar idea lol https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/v7imt8/just_finished_printing_some_gridfinity_organisers/
02:41 PM roycroft: yeah, that's pretty similar to mine
02:41 PM roycroft: i thought about installing a grid like that but decided not to
02:42 PM roycroft: it would have complicated the box shapes, and my printer bed isn't big enough to make a decent size grid
02:43 PM XXCoder: I did wonder if "3d printer router" would be workable lol
02:44 PM XXCoder: similiar to cnc router, it has large x and y but shallow z
02:44 PM roycroft: those boxes look so similar to mine i'd wonder of the person who designed them saw pics of my boxes, if the design elements weren't so obvious
02:44 PM roycroft: what i really wonder is why there are no commercially-made boxes like that, since i do think the design is so obvious
02:44 PM XXCoder: yeah
02:44 PM XXCoder: im not sure if its even possible to ibject mold
02:44 PM roycroft: the batch i just printed were binned, btw
02:44 PM XXCoder: because of label/handle
02:45 PM roycroft: about halfway up the print they all shifted to the left about 1mm
02:45 PM XXCoder: doh
02:45 PM roycroft: i have no idea why - nothing like that has ever happened to me before
02:45 PM roycroft: they would still be usable if the spacing weren't so tight
02:45 PM roycroft: those could not be injection molded in one piece
02:46 PM roycroft: either the tab would have to be applied later or they would have to be molded in two pieces and fused together
02:46 PM roycroft: if not for the tabs, mine could be injection molded - i did design them with 2 degrees of draft
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03:10 PM roycroft: i picked up those saw horses at lunch today, along with some 2x4s and hanger brackets
03:28 PM JT-Shop: they sure are build heavy
03:31 PM JT-Shop: built
03:31 PM Tom_L: fired the plane up?
03:39 PM JT-Shop2: yesterday
03:40 PM Tom_L: just grabbed mesact again
03:40 PM JT-Shop2: I may never get the bed of the truck clean again after hauling 4 bales of straw
03:40 PM Tom_L: :)
03:40 PM * JT-Shop2 goes to finish unloading
03:40 PM XXCoder: thats fine
03:40 PM XXCoder: its a working truck
03:40 PM XXCoder: not shinyback trucl
03:45 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2: did you get one of those 4 door trucks? i saw a ridgeline truck on the freeway today.
03:51 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, A program error occurred in buildini.py line 243 'MainWindow' has no attribute 'spindleScale'
03:54 PM Loetmichel: roguish[m]: i am jealous. I want to buy an 1969 F150 or similar for years now. Need a lottery jackpot for that here in germany.
03:54 PM Loetmichel: even if its just a bucket of rust with a VIN
04:01 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: yes the ridgeline is a 4 door truck
04:01 PM JT-Shop2: Tom_L: what did you do to get the error?
04:23 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, error is fixed, I had to rename a few things when adding the stepgen spindle
04:23 PM JT-Cave: pushing now
04:23 PM Tom_L: ok
04:28 PM * JT-Shop2 finally has a sawhorse that is the same level as the miter saw no matter how uneven the ground is
04:29 PM roycroft: nice
04:29 PM * Tom_L feels left out
04:29 PM roycroft: i still have my old, crappy ryobi miter saw that i've had for about 25 years
04:29 PM roycroft: i would really like to get a new, modern one, and i know the one i want, but i don't have room for it
04:29 PM roycroft: so i've learned to live without it
04:30 PM roycroft: i should probably get one of those festool contractor's track saws - i can do with that what i can do with a miter saw, other than easily making repeatable length cuts
04:32 PM Tom_L: Configuration checked OK
04:32 PM travis_farmer853: didn't know ryobi tools could last beyond their unboxing... 😉
04:32 PM unterhaus_: dewalt miter saws built recently have a safety recall
04:32 PM Tom_L: travis_farmer853, no that's harbor freight
04:33 PM travis_farmer853: lol 😉
04:35 PM JT-Shop2: roycroft: the flip down spacers have two positions, one to raise a 2x4 up and one where it's in a lower position. Any idea what the second position is for?
04:40 PM Tom_L: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59af6b474c0dbfb0a5f3e786/t/5de05ce5e6b0e7013a4b504e/1574984975833/TB-C700-ES++instructions++OL.pdf
04:41 PM JT-Shop2: I have those in my hand...
04:42 PM JT-Shop2: #9 shows the flip up in the raised position
04:43 PM roycroft: jt-shop2: with the spacers out of the way, if you mount a 2x4 vertically it will be flush with the top of the sawhorse
04:44 PM roycroft: if you set it on top of the spacers it will be 1-1/2" above the top of the sawhorse, so if you mount a sacrificial 2x4 on the sawhorse it will be flush with that
04:44 PM JT-Shop2: yes, but there are 3 positions...
04:46 PM roycroft: oh, i'm just getting them out now - i'll check
04:46 PM roycroft: i thought there were only two positions
04:46 PM * JT-Shop2 goes to put tools up for the day
04:52 PM roycroft: jt-shop2: mine only have two positions, so i don't know what you mean
04:52 PM roycroft: flipped up the 2x4 is flush with the top
04:53 PM roycroft: flipped down it's 1-1/2" above the top
04:53 PM roycroft: i got the c700
04:54 PM JT-Shop2: do yours have a slot?
04:56 PM JT-Shop2: on mine the supports have slots and you can slide the flip up towards the sawhorse and it rests in a lower position
04:56 PM JT-Shop2: same here c700
04:57 PM JT-Shop2: I know what it's for you slide it in for a 4x4
04:57 PM JT-Shop2: the lower position in that end of the slot is for nothing
05:02 PM roycroft: are you talking about on the end jaws?
05:03 PM roycroft: those have three positions - closed, 2x4, 4x4
05:03 PM roycroft: but there are also flip-down blocks that rais the 2x4 or 4x4 up an inch and a half
05:04 PM roycroft: btw, i am really happy with the sawhorses so far, and i've not used them yet
05:04 PM roycroft: they are way sturdier than the other metal ones that i have
05:04 PM roycroft: i shall probably get a couple more soon
05:05 PM JT-Shop2: the flip ups also slide to the middle of a 4x4
05:05 PM roycroft: i could only have gotten 2 today anyway
05:05 PM JT-Shop2: so there are 3 positions
05:05 PM roycroft: the home depot website said there were 13 in stock, but when i went to the store there were only 2 new ones in stock
05:05 PM roycroft: all the rest were used
05:05 PM roycroft: and i have this thing about buying used product at new prices
05:06 PM roycroft: i'll have to go look at the flip-ups again
05:06 PM Tom_L: they've just been tested and approved :)
05:06 PM roycroft: they seemed only to have two positions, but if you say there are three, i'll find the third one :)
05:06 PM roycroft: if they were approved they would not have been returned, i should think
05:06 PM JT-Shop2: 2 of the 4 at my hd were kinda beat up
05:07 PM roycroft: there are two other home depots nearby, so if i decide to get more i'll check out the other stores to see if they have any that are new
05:08 PM roycroft: anyway, i'm going to go cut 2x4s and set up the horses for holding sheet goods
05:08 PM roycroft: i should probably make a quick drawing in autocad first so i don't have to do any math in my head on the fly
05:13 PM * JT-Shop2 finds a bit of energy and tries to finish breaking down the shipping crate for the 15HH
05:14 PM Tom_L: run it thru the 15HH after removing the nails
05:17 PM JT-Shop2: wood from Taiwan is crap
05:18 PM captain_morgan: I am having the worst time trying to run a job exported from FreeCAD, my origin is set to the lower left of my material, so I touch-off Z to the spoil board below, as normal. But when I hit run my Z value jumps by ~1.1in (on AXIS display)
05:18 PM JT-Shop2: I got enough nails pulled and it just collapsed on the floor lol
05:18 PM captain_morgan: when touching off it doesn't matter if I use P0 (which I believe is what I usually use in the past) or P1/G54
05:19 PM JT-Shop2: /j #freecad?
05:19 PM captain_morgan: I don't think it's a freecad issue
05:19 PM captain_morgan: I've compared it to other working gcode output from it and nothing looks overtly different in the setup
05:20 PM captain_morgan: it looks more like linuxcnc isn't really touching off G54
05:20 PM JT-Shop2: any offsets left from a previous g code?
05:21 PM captain_morgan: unlikely, but I guess it's worth rebooting everything just in case
05:21 PM JT-Shop2: I use my touch off to material button
05:21 PM JT-Shop2: when you touch off to material does the dro look correct?
05:22 PM captain_morgan: yes, it reads 0 (or what ever I've moved to) until I hit run, then it jumps to some other value and conitunes the job, though with the Z in the air
05:22 PM Tom_L: make sure you didn't accidentally set an x or y offset in the tool table instead of z
05:23 PM captain_morgan: nope, X/Y are where they should be
05:23 PM captain_morgan: and I'm at the point I stare at the DRO to catch the jump
05:24 PM JT-Shop2: what is your preamble?
05:24 PM Tom_L: oh the problem is in z
05:24 PM * JT-Shop2 listens to Talking Heads
05:24 PM Tom_L: show us the first 10 lines or so
05:24 PM roycroft: i see what you're talking about now
05:25 PM roycroft: they flip up to close the jaws
05:25 PM captain_morgan: G17 G54 G40 G49 G80 G90
05:25 PM captain_morgan: G21
05:25 PM captain_morgan: G54M5
05:25 PM captain_morgan: M6 T3
05:25 PM roycroft: and they flip down to support the wood higher
05:25 PM captain_morgan: G43 H3
05:25 PM roycroft: and slide back and forth to support a 2x4 or 4x4
05:25 PM JT-Shop2: aye and I think that is a nice touch
05:25 PM roycroft: yes
05:25 PM roycroft: i'm really impressed with these sawhorses
05:25 PM roycroft: very well designed
05:26 PM JT-Shop2: captain_morgan: your loading the offset from tool 3 with G43 H3
05:26 PM roycroft: my drawing is ready, so it's time to go make a work table
05:26 PM JT-Shop2: as am I, good find roycroft
05:27 PM captain_morgan: tool length eh
05:27 PM * JT-Shop2 may never get the bed of the Ridgeline clean again after hauling 4 bales of straw...
05:28 PM Tom_L: did you set the tool length for T3?
05:28 PM captain_morgan: no
05:28 PM captain_morgan: not deliberately at least, maybe this is new coming in from freecad
05:28 PM Tom_L: go forth and set T3 length offset
05:28 PM XXCoder: its your side, you need to configure machine also :)
05:29 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, i thought that was rusty's job..
05:29 PM XXCoder: set part xyz, set all tools lengths, and diameters for tools
05:29 PM Tom_L: now you need another old beater
05:29 PM JT-Shop2: rusty has a new home
05:29 PM Tom_L: i know
05:29 PM JT-Shop2: I sold it to my neighbors daughter after fixing everything I knew of
05:30 PM Tom_L: i recall that
05:30 PM JT-Shop2: maybe I could borrow rusty for crap runs lol
05:30 PM captain_morgan: oof, yeah, filling out my tool table has been on my list. but since i am manually touching off, 0 should be fine yeah?
05:30 PM Tom_L: gettting back on the path...
05:30 PM Tom_L: captain_morgan, no
05:30 PM Tom_L: well maybe
05:30 PM Tom_L: i don't do it that way
05:31 PM Tom_L: zero it wherever your model is z zero'd
05:31 PM JT-Shop2: just depends on which G code you use to touch off
05:31 PM JT-Shop2: there is 5 G10's
05:32 PM Tom_L: i've made the mistake in a hurry and set x or y to the z value forgetting to change to the right axis in Axis GUI
05:32 PM JT-Shop2: G10 L20
05:32 PM JT-Shop2: G10 L20 Z0
05:33 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:33 PM Tom_L: i have a couple buttons...
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: ah yep the axis touch off buttons
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: haven't used them in a while
05:33 PM Tom_L: i know, i would try qtpyvcp but the pc is too old
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: Rush Which Hunt
05:34 PM JT-Shop2: can't load it?
05:34 PM Tom_L: like rush but not familiar with all their tunes
05:34 PM Tom_L: latency is horrid with buster etc
05:34 PM captain_morgan: setting the tool Z to zero didn't help, it still jumps when I run
05:34 PM Tom_L: i'm running wheezy on it
05:34 PM JT-Shop2: they are a motley looking group of canucks I think
05:35 PM captain_morgan: what was 0 before I hit run is now 1.3in
05:35 PM Tom_L: didn't they have a 'roll the bones' album or something like that?
05:35 PM JT-Shop2: captain_morgan: what is in the tool table for t3?
05:35 PM JT-Shop2: I can't remember the name of the album I usually listen to
05:36 PM Tom_L: also one of their tunes
05:36 PM JT-Shop2: ah yes moving pictures I think
05:36 PM captain_morgan: end mill, Z=0, DIAM=0.201 (wrong)
05:36 PM JT-Shop2: yep roll the bones and fly by night
05:36 PM Tom_L: that wouldn't affect z
05:37 PM Tom_L: fly by night was good
05:37 PM JT-Shop2: damn rush was live in missouri in 2019
05:38 PM captain_morgan: well, getting rid of the G43 line helped
05:38 PM Tom_L: willie nelson was here a couple days ago
05:38 PM Tom_L: ole tax evading hippie
05:38 PM Tom_L: captain_morgan, that tells me your offset wasn't set right
05:39 PM Tom_L: or your material z wasn't set right
05:40 PM captain_morgan: material height in CAM is fine, and I'm touching off to the spoil board
05:40 PM Tom_L: https://www.kansas.com/entertainment/river-festival/article262175952.html
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: wow
05:41 PM captain_morgan: unless this is a unit issue, AXIS complains about exceeding all the limits if I set it's LINEAR_UNITS to mm, though FreeCAD exports in mm
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: I have a song by I think toby keith never smoke week with willy again
05:41 PM Tom_L: they block off downtown every year for our river festival
05:41 PM Tom_L: hah
05:41 PM captain_morgan: but I've always had the setup the same
05:42 PM JT-Shop2: something changed...
05:42 PM captain_morgan: clearly
05:43 PM * JT-Shop2 calls it a night after Rickey Lee Jones is done
05:44 PM JT-Shop2: well maybe stay for Joni Mitchell
05:56 PM captain_morgan: looking back through older jobs that ran fine, they all also had G43 Hx, and as I've never edited my tool table they're also be Z=0
06:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: captain_morgan: does the part outline show up in the backplot window?
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if so does the part appear to be the right size or some enlarged version?
06:34 PM captain_morgan: no or it only shows it really small
06:34 PM captain_morgan: I can't tell now because the AXIS Preview display disappeared
06:41 PM mrec: it would be nice if there would be a feature to dump the internal variables from linuxcnc
06:42 PM mrec: to see where things seem to hang or what state the whole thing is in
06:45 PM * CloudEvil throws gdb at mrec.
11:39 PM _unreal_: so today was ODD
11:39 PM roycroft: no, today is the 8th
11:39 PM roycroft: that is EVEN
11:40 PM roycroft: oh, i guess it's the 9th now in your part of the world
11:40 PM * _unreal_ rolles eyes
11:40 PM _unreal_: so my "was boss" she just quit today and more or less asked me out
11:44 PM XXCoder: interesting. wasnt you married or was it someone else
11:44 PM * roycroft would stay far away from that
11:44 PM _unreal_: I use to be
11:45 PM _unreal_: now I'm just full time dad, POS xwife lost most everthing
11:46 PM roycroft: wow
11:46 PM roycroft: gst3d actually shipped on the day they said they shipped this time
11:46 PM XXCoder: roy nice
11:46 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm going to run out of filament soon
11:47 PM roycroft: i should get 10 spools on tuesday next
11:50 PM roycroft: and i'll get a couple spools from atomic on saturday