#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 05 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:29 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:58 PM * JT-Shop takes notes
02:00 PM _unreal_: ok mowed the lawn
02:00 PM _unreal_: yes yep... yes ser its hot
02:01 PM TurBoss: hello,
02:03 PM * Tom_L takes notes too
02:03 PM _unreal_: good thing I dont live in miami or I'd be complaining of miami HEAT
02:03 PM _unreal_: heh
02:03 PM travis_farmer853: heat? yeah, it is a humid and hot 68F here 😉
02:04 PM _unreal_: I'm in south florida so its HOT
02:04 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:05 PM travis_farmer853: you can keep the heat 😉 i am just fine with 68F ;0
02:06 PM travis_farmer853: hmm, my last smile thing died in transit...
02:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:14 PM _unreal_: travis_farmer853, what is a smile thing?
02:15 PM travis_farmer853: the emoji at the end of the previous sentence was supposed to be a wink smile image
02:21 PM XXCoder: travis irc to discord, it doesnt convert
02:21 PM Tom_L: some do
02:21 PM XXCoder: discord to irc, it works or not depending if unicode for it exists or not
02:21 PM travis_farmer853: well heck...
02:21 PM xxcoder8265[m]: :colordance:
02:22 PM xxcoder8265[m]: this is example of one that doesnt work in irc
02:22 PM TurBoss: I'm actually trying to fix that issue, maybe some messages got delayed
02:22 PM TurBoss: the "apos" one
02:22 PM Tom_L: because it's so important... :)
02:23 PM travis_farmer853: yeah, that one is annoying, for sure 🙂
02:23 PM xxcoder8265[m]: certainly bit annoying when I read on discord. not so much on irc lol
02:24 PM travis_farmer853: i have IRC available on my lcnc computer, but not on my windowz one
02:24 PM Tom_L: you should
02:24 PM Tom_L: dl hexchat
02:24 PM travis_farmer853: i thought it cost money...
02:25 PM Tom_L: https://hexchat.github.io/downloads.html
02:26 PM _unreal_: fuck... how stupid could I be. just discovered all the work and hand editing I just did was for nothing. on this next part. I forgot to look at the part and the hold down. and one major part is RIGHT in the work piece hold down area.
02:26 PM _unreal_: glad I didnt start but FACK.
02:27 PM Tom_L: just keeps your endmill supplier in business
02:28 PM _unreal_: the cad adjustment was what 45 seconds, its the CAM setup and the hand editing I have to do
02:30 PM travis_farmer: Howdy :)
02:33 PM * roycroft will not have an irc client installed on a computer that is connected to the internet and that controls a machine that can maim or kill him
02:34 PM travis_farmer: i don't run lcnc and irc or discord at the same time
02:36 PM travis_farmer: i only have it on that computer in case i need to post a screenshot
02:46 PM _unreal_: ok..... RE-EDITED
02:46 PM _unreal_: time to dbl check in the viewer AGAIN
02:54 PM _unreal_: ok TUNING done
03:06 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, if you change the thread period in my tool and press default for pid you get the correct value
03:07 PM TurBoss1: hellon I'm a test message
03:08 PM XXCoder: hi message
03:08 PM TurBoss1: :P
03:08 PM TurBoss1: < >
03:08 PM TurBoss1: I'm another message
03:11 PM TurBoss8676[m]: hello can some one from irc side send a single quote character thanks
03:11 PM xxcoder8265[m]: yeah. sucks
03:11 PM xxcoder8265[m]: uh messages on discord isnt appearing on irc now
03:11 PM TurBoss8676[m]: no luck
03:11 PM TurBoss8676[m]: 😦
03:11 PM XXCoder: '
03:11 PM _unreal_: I wil be so happy when I switch away from this little cnc machine
03:11 PM _unreal_: its just the controller thats so fucked up
03:11 PM _unreal_: wish I had never half burned it when I plugged power in backwards
03:12 PM _unreal_: I still cant believe it works. just wish it would stop with the annoying NO IDEA why errors
03:15 PM travis_farmer853: so... where i once could talk from discord to irc, the bridge is dead? good thing i got hex chat installed 😉
03:15 PM travis_farmer853: oh, back up...
03:16 PM CaptainHindsight: do it works?
03:16 PM travis_farmer: yes it does
03:17 PM travis_farmer: i don't think the ' (apos) thing is fixed though
03:18 PM XXCoder: yeah for some reason it stopped for a min
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: _unreal_: just imagine that it works differently
03:18 PM XXCoder: maybe restart after fix attempt dunno
03:18 PM XXCoder: turboss is bridgemaster not me
03:18 PM travis_farmer853: could be
03:19 PM travis_farmer853: so you are saying he is the troll protecting the bridge? 😉
03:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: more of a good wizard
03:19 PM travis_farmer853: lol
03:20 PM XXCoder: everything bridge related. master of it, builder, and troll under it
03:20 PM _unreal_: ok its milling
03:21 PM _unreal_: jesus, ok after a few odd issues its working...
03:23 PM _unreal_: wholy crap, planetcnc says this job is 15 hours of milling
03:23 PM _unreal_: good lord
03:23 PM _unreal_: it is .5" aluminum
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: imagine it down to just one hour
03:24 PM _unreal_: trying with all my might
03:24 PM _unreal_: god this new machine is going to be night and da
03:24 PM _unreal_: day
03:24 PM solarwind: I broke the neck off my pet rats' water bottle. It's made of glass. Is it possible to repair it by "welding" it with an oxy acetylene torch?
03:24 PM _unreal_: hehe
03:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes
03:25 PM _unreal_: solarwind, I stopped reading at first at the end of pet rat
03:25 PM solarwind: I tried cyanoacrylate already, it doesn't bond very well to glass. Same with epoxy
03:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: I'm automating some glass working right now
03:25 PM solarwind: _unreal_ they're actually very cute. Quite different from street rat
03:25 PM _unreal_: solarwind, I know they are more or less mini dogs
03:25 PM travis_farmer853: glass needs to be pre-heated and cooled very slowly, or it will crack and shatter
03:25 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] so I can preheat, then fusion weld along the crack ?
03:26 PM solarwind: travis_farmer853 yeah for sure
03:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: _unreal_: watch some glass working vids for inspiration
03:26 PM solarwind: I also have a pet cat and they get along very well
03:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: preheat, heat and press, if you need to add glass they make glass rods in just about every diameter
03:27 PM solarwind: Fortunately, it cracked perfectly without losing any glass
03:27 PM solarwind: So just two pieces, perfect fit as it is
03:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you will likely have to rotate and heat
03:28 PM solarwind: I'll practice on wine bottles first
03:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we are actually making burners to fully encircle the glass so you don't have to rotate
03:29 PM solarwind: I have a burner exactly like that
03:29 PM travis_farmer853: absolutly
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there is a good youtube on bottle making by hand
03:29 PM solarwind: https://www.amazon.ca/WADEO-Pressure-Cast-Iron-Adjustable-Regulator/dp/B088H7KPD8
03:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah ours has a through hole
03:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so the glass runs through the center
03:31 PM solarwind: THANKS FOR EXPLAINING THAT CaptHindsight[m] I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A THROUGH HOLE IS
03:32 PM solarwind: just kidding lol
03:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no problem, here to help
03:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the invisible angry man in the sky works in mysterious ways
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: ever run oxy-propane in that burner?
03:35 PM _unreal_: facing done moved oonto drilling holes
03:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: glass blowing burners are also torches
03:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I didn't make up the rules
03:37 PM _unreal_: :S 4:20 wholy crap
03:37 PM _unreal_: time for lunch
03:37 PM _unreal_: at least I believe I can leave the machine un attended for a few
03:37 PM XXCoder: holey crap ;)
03:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: imagine that you just ate, problem solved
03:38 PM XXCoder: humans can go a week without eating btw
03:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if the new Rockchip boards become readily available they could replace PC's for LCNC finally
03:41 PM XXCoder: I already envisioned basic cnc kits
03:41 PM XXCoder: essentally lcnc in a box. take it out and connect steppers sensors and its ready
03:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.pine64.org/2022/03/15/march-update-introducing-the-quartzpro64/
03:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no FPGA required
03:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they have THREE integrated microcontrollers
03:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.cnx-software.com/pdf/Rockchip%C2%A0RK3588%C2%A0Datasheet%C2%A0V0.1-20210727.pdf
03:44 PM * roycroft is ready to start squirting out boxes again
03:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some boards will have 16GB of LPDDR4X RAM
03:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm happy with 4GB
03:45 PM roycroft: and i have some of the fastener storage drawers installed
03:46 PM roycroft: so when i make boxes they will have homes immediately
03:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some benchmarks show them equivalent to ~8 year old AMD APU's
03:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so plenty fast enough for LCNC plus they have a Mali GPU
03:47 PM XXCoder: roy nice. hows printing if restarted?
03:49 PM roycroft: i just now started a print
03:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I hope someone makes a board with lots of GPIO so that I don't have to
03:49 PM roycroft: and i'm using atomic filament
03:50 PM roycroft: the new stuff has been sitting around in the open for a couple weeks, and with the 140% humidity we've been having i decided i need to dry it out before i print with it again
03:50 PM XXCoder: good stuff definitely, not cheap unfortunately
03:50 PM XXCoder: gst3d?
03:50 PM roycroft: yes
03:50 PM XXCoder: ok. yeah you got something to actively dry it?
03:50 PM roycroft: i just put the open spool in my filament dryer, i.e. modified food dehydrator
03:51 PM roycroft: i'll let it sit in there at 45 degrees for about six hours, then vacuum seal it with a dessicant pack inside the core, and it should stay pretty dry
03:52 PM XXCoder: usually dont bother with vaccim packs for plas myself. just bag it with small diseccant
03:52 PM roycroft: i need some orange boxes first anyway
03:52 PM XXCoder: its petg abs or more sensive that i vaccum bag
03:52 PM roycroft: well i have a chamber vacuum sealer, so it's easy enough to vacuum seal them
03:52 PM XXCoder: true
03:52 PM roycroft: and it's not a foodsaver
03:52 PM roycroft: so i don't have to use the expensive quilted bags
03:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://en.t-firefly.com/product/industry/itx3588j has a large GPIO header
03:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: I haven't heard a peep about the webmaster collecting donations on the ML, so i guess they don't want them
04:09 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] re: oxy propane: absolutely not
04:10 PM solarwind: It's made of brittle cast iron and has a huge "combustion chamber" inside
04:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so it sounds like you are saying that it won't work
04:11 PM solarwind: The only way I'd consider it is with flashback arrestors right at the inlet
04:11 PM solarwind: It can definitely work
04:12 PM solarwind: The way it draws in air is with a venturi inlet port
04:12 PM solarwind: I can just pump pure oxygen into that port
04:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so it sounds like you are saying that it might work but you are too afraid to try
04:12 PM solarwind: yes
04:13 PM solarwind: At least right now. I'd put up some shielding first
04:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can you drill a hole in the middle to run glass rods through it?
04:13 PM solarwind: Safer than oxy acetylene though. Propane burns further away from the tip
04:13 PM solarwind: yeah
04:14 PM solarwind: there's nothing in the middle. It's just hollow
04:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you ever do, make a vid
04:14 PM solarwind: haha ok
04:15 PM solarwind: I really need to get myself an oxygen concentrator
04:16 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i'll check it after bit
04:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: is it summer there yet?
04:16 PM solarwind: Yes, has been for a month now
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so less snow and maybe some plants turning greener
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: do you think that Canada would be interested in a Florida for Quebec swap?
04:19 PM Tom_L: gaitors n all?
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sure they can learn French
04:20 PM solarwind: lol!
04:20 PM solarwind: I can speak French
04:20 PM solarwind: And ONLY if it comes with the climate
04:20 PM Tom_L: if they came from the french quarter in New Orleans they may already
04:20 PM solarwind: Need something in return to compensate for all the republicans we'd be getting for that trade
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i would insist on it
04:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok, throw in Alabama and Louisiana
04:22 PM Tom_L: yeah what are they good for anyway?
04:22 PM solarwind: yeah the climate is the worst part about Canada, so as long as we get the climate, sure
04:22 PM solarwind: I follow american politics A LOT
04:22 PM solarwind: I barely know anything about Canadian politics
04:22 PM solarwind: Just because american politics is so hilarious and entertaining
04:23 PM solarwind: With that trade, we'd finally have something to fight against. There's not enough conflict here
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sure, up there they just fight over who was politerer
04:23 PM solarwind: People actually like each other here. It makes me sick
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: assholes
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: don't know about skin color and stuff
04:24 PM solarwind: Every issue that exists in america also exists here at 1% of the magnitude
04:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the worst you could come up with was bickering about personal pronouns
04:24 PM solarwind: So yeah racism is a thing, but so very very uncommon. Never heard of a cop killing a black guy here, or anyone at all
04:25 PM solarwind: Yes, I make it a point to offend people intentionally just to have some excitement
04:25 PM solarwind: Can't remember the last time a school was shot up
04:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh but the indigenous people, that makes the news down here
04:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: barbarians
04:26 PM solarwind: Yeah apparently there is some weird racism against native people, which I don't understand and apparently more you guys know about it than I do
04:26 PM solarwind: It's not happening in Toronto anyway
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the real crime is pointing out hypocrisy of the police farce
04:26 PM solarwind: but every government institution I'm aware of has "benefits" for native americans like no tax, etc.
04:26 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, one thing i did see, you should allow positive values in Scale. if i put a negative there and check Reverse Dir i get a double '--'
04:27 PM solarwind: the most offensive thing to me is that they keep calling them indians
04:27 PM solarwind: that makes sense for an american
04:27 PM solarwind: but I can't believe it's still a thing in Canada
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: saw this earlier if you need a rule https://i.imgur.com/eVnDAzd.jpeg
04:27 PM solarwind: When I was a kid, they called them that in history class in school
04:28 PM solarwind: But I'll give it a pass, because they also taught us about the american civil war and taught us the real truth that it was about racist traitors in the south who just wanted to keep slaves
04:29 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i found that by accident since my config has -xxx on one and i checked reverse also
04:29 PM solarwind: Tom_L oooh la la you naughty dog
04:29 PM Tom_L: i'm good at breaking code
04:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh and how native Canadians were treated harshly in reeducation camps
04:30 PM solarwind: Same, had to reverse engineer some binaries for a company I worked for
04:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mass graves
04:30 PM solarwind: Yeah have to do some research into that, I don't know what all that's about
04:30 PM Tom_L: i've written enough in the past breaking it comes natural
04:31 PM Tom_L: just not python..
04:31 PM XXCoder: maybe you guys can figure how to break cricut firmware so people can run it without that stupid cloud program
04:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we gave them chicken pox infected blankets and made them march, this scattered bodies along the roadside vs one large burial ground
04:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: I'd just make a new controller
04:32 PM XXCoder: average cricut machine user isnt that advanced
04:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: an export all their programs to g-code
04:32 PM solarwind: Hmm, didn't know the natives had good g-code
04:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pin compatible board swap
04:33 PM solarwind: Usually the white people are after oil or land
04:33 PM Tom_L: or gold
04:33 PM XXCoder: now, that'd be interesting yeah capt
04:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: doesn't Canada also have all the Uranium?
04:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: wasn't that a kickstarter a few years ago?
04:34 PM Tom_L: australia has the most
04:35 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] looks like it has quite a bit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_uranium_reserves
04:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: cricut not uranium
04:35 PM travis_farmer853: what is cricut, just a draw-knife, or laser?
04:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all i can say is as long as it makes me rich I don't mind
04:35 PM solarwind: I'm not sure why we're not doing nuclear all the things
04:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: draw knife cnc'ed
04:35 PM XXCoder: travis_farmer853: cutter basically
04:36 PM XXCoder: cuts various stuff from paper to thin wood facade
04:36 PM solarwind: if we ever need more, we can just invade Australia
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://cricut.com/en_us
04:36 PM solarwind: They already have a free come in anytime immigration policy for us
04:36 PM travis_farmer853: my sister has one, but wouldn't let me take it apart for some reason 😉
04:36 PM Tom_L: solarwind, their critters would get ya before they would
04:36 PM solarwind: ah yeah there's that
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Australia is a lot like canada only it is upside down
04:37 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight[m]: rpi4 hat for cricut, thats pinout compitable. wonder if possible lol
04:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: rpi4 can't make steps so that is out
04:38 PM XXCoder: well thats why I said hat lol
04:38 PM XXCoder: hat would have stepper controllers
04:38 PM DigitalReaper: you'd need a uC on the board but other than that absolutely possible
04:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Australia is a lot like Texas only with more nice people
04:38 PM XXCoder: theres so many choice on that, like a9840 whatever or drv8848. all wrong numbers. theres newer options too
04:38 PM DigitalReaper: Pi -> onboard serial -> uC -> original hardware
04:38 PM travis_farmer853: didn't know Texas had ANY nice people 😉
04:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: DigitalReaper: too much stuff
04:39 PM DigitalReaper: a single chip is too much?
04:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Allwinner H3 or similar or Rockchip
04:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pi needs more than one chip
04:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: since it has no microcontroller
04:40 PM XXCoder: considering expense of rpi probably better to go for cheap board lol
04:40 PM XXCoder: one that simply have usb serial connection and drivers
04:40 PM XXCoder: use gcode sender stuff
04:41 PM DigitalReaper: if you're having boards made you can probably use one of those tiny Pis... I forget what they're called, Pi nano? pi lite?
04:41 PM travis_farmer853: like GRBL?
04:41 PM DigitalReaper: those are pretty cheap
04:41 PM XXCoder: most standard ones dont have servo and you need one for z
04:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: orangepi, bananapi
04:41 PM XXCoder: (it uses 2 steppers, and one servo, pretty powerful one)
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or yeah like a cnc glue gun controller
04:42 PM DigitalReaper: you can drive a servo directly from GPIO + power
04:42 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9nWmFw3Ko giv you ideas of whats inside
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: teensy2
04:42 PM DigitalReaper: also I was thinking of the pi zero but apparently there's also a pico
04:42 PM XXCoder: also nigh impossible to get
04:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and were actually available
04:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well were months ago
04:43 PM solarwind: The pico is great, and widely available
04:43 PM DigitalReaper: $15 for the zero, $4 for the pico
04:43 PM solarwind: they're two different things
04:43 PM solarwind: Pico is a microcontroller
04:43 PM DigitalReaper: ah ok
04:44 PM DigitalReaper: still, all you really need is the most basic 3d printer control board. those can either run gcode directly or be an I/O board for the likes of klipper
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.microcenter.com/product/632771/Pico_Microcontroller_Development_Board;_Based_on_The_Raspberry_Pi_Dual-Core_ARM_Cortex_M0_RP2040_Processor,_up_to_133_MHz,_Supports_C-C-MicroPython-Ci
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah but then it doesn't run LCNC
04:45 PM DigitalReaper: if you roll your own it comes down to a single uC, maybe a voltage regulator, some passives and connectors
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I want a backplot and trajectory planner for by paper cutter
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/by/my/
04:46 PM DigitalReaper: backplot... is that a gcode path preview?
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: plus machine vision to verify my cuts
04:46 PM DigitalReaper: so things 3D printers already have? :P
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: preview or the plot after motion
04:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and then use the army of makers to port all the cricut programs
04:47 PM DigitalReaper: can LCNC just spit out gcode over serial or does it need to do the motion control itself?
04:47 PM XXCoder: dont think lcnc can act as gcode sender but could be wrong
04:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why spit out g-code IF you already have it on an sd-card
04:48 PM solarwind: DigitalReaper it's designed to take G code as an input and do the motion control
04:48 PM travis_farmer853: maybe with a .comp program
04:49 PM solarwind: Not sure why you'd want a g-code sender, but that's a trivial thing to do anyway
04:49 PM DigitalReaper: solarwind: what something is designed to do and what you can trick it into doing are two different things :)
04:49 PM solarwind: Why would you want to send g-code over serial? That sounds very weird to me
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah LCNC can also convert g-code to simple Step and Dir
04:50 PM XXCoder: solar old 3d printers was like that
04:50 PM DigitalReaper: to make use of cheap 3d printer hardware
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and verse visa
04:50 PM XXCoder: it has nothing onboard but just move based on serial commucated gcode
04:50 PM solarwind: That's an entirely different thing. Linux CNC is a motion controller
04:50 PM DigitalReaper: modern 3D printers are still like that it's just that the serial link is a virtual one
04:50 PM XXCoder: my elcrapo 3d printer was like thar
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: DigitalReaper: you could even have two pots control the cricut like an etch a sketch
04:51 PM XXCoder: lol that'd be fun
04:51 PM XXCoder: just have button to pen down and pen up
04:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or add pedals for feedrate control
04:51 PM XXCoder: make it physical turtle program too :P
04:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'd like a cricut flight stick
04:51 PM travis_farmer853: ROFLMAO
04:52 PM DigitalReaper: 556 timer hooked up to a pair of pots and the drivers step signal :)
04:52 PM DigitalReaper: (556 = dual 555)
04:52 PM XXCoder: shows internal hardware better https://youtu.be/ergcvPaaVwk
04:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a few big Frankenstein knife switches
04:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: get in shape and cricut at the same time
04:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: add bungee cords to switches for added resistance training
04:54 PM travis_farmer853: i think this convorsation went far downhill, fast LOL
04:55 PM DigitalReaper: so it looks like steppers on the head with limit switches with x/y drives being DC motors + optical quadrature encoders
04:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: cnc glue gun discussions are always silly
04:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i would have used linear servos and changed $50,000 per cricut, but that s just me
04:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/changed/charged/
04:56 PM XXCoder: lol
04:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: flightstick controlled mill however, that would be fun
05:01 PM XXCoder: anyway why I was wondering is because theres tons of cheap cricut machines on ebay
05:02 PM XXCoder: many bricked by cricut
05:02 PM DigitalReaper: bricked? o_O
05:02 PM XXCoder: yeah cricut is quite assholish company
05:02 PM DigitalReaper: how/why did they brick them?
05:04 PM XXCoder: older machines they simply stopped supporting in cloud service
05:04 PM travis_farmer853: as intellectual as this conversation is going... i have to go to the store 😉
05:04 PM XXCoder: which effectively made it dead devices
05:05 PM DigitalReaper: this is why I hate the cloud...
05:05 PM XXCoder: plus well without paid membership you can only upload 20 designs a month
05:05 PM XXCoder: yes, 20 a month
05:06 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some maker will make a replacement board
05:06 PM XXCoder: not happening so far. theres one project but its been dead for while
05:06 PM DigitalReaper: apparently they can also just remotely brick supported devices too
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just put the files up and the shenzhen guys will have it for sale in a week or two
05:07 PM DigitalReaper: from an ebay listing: "This Cricut Maker has been deactivated and cannot be used on Cricut Design Space. This was because it would crash when doing Print then Cut projects so Cricut sent me a replacement and deactivated this."
05:07 PM XXCoder: one of em. newest https://github.com/seishuku/TeensyCNC
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if i gave a damn I'd make the files for them
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but the cricut is more of a buyer beware thing
05:08 PM XXCoder: it is
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some people just need to learn lessons the hard way
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a bunch of cloud based businesses closed up that did things like home automation
05:09 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.theverge.com/23032451/smart-home-troubles-insteon-ihome-shutdown-matter
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what a surprise
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: many people are just stupid and you can't warn them
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they are just too well trained
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: now where did I leave my iphone
05:13 PM XXCoder: lol
05:13 PM Tom_L: capn, how's the glass blowing goin?
05:13 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEfdQQnbkhQ with teensycnc board
05:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: very hot project
05:15 PM _unreal_: just caught a baby blue jay. in the pool area flight able.
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and have to tread lightly since glasswork is artwork, you can't just replace artists with automation
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or can you?
05:16 PM XXCoder: capt you ever read about 3d printed glass?
05:16 PM Tom_L: toss in an imperfection now and then and they'd never know the difference
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sure, the glue gun type printers make the news
05:17 PM Tom_L: programmed glitch
05:17 PM XXCoder: capt I meant actual glass. in any shape
05:17 PM DigitalReaper: blowing glass is 2 seperate artforms IMO - design and manufacturing. automation only replaces one of those
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: glass drizzler
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sure, I cast glass
05:17 PM XXCoder: drizzler not really, it works more like SLS
05:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: there are many types
05:18 PM XXCoder: I know. but im talking about brand new recent discovery
05:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wasn't there even a solar sand glass project
05:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: glasswork is an ancient artform
05:19 PM XXCoder: I know. :P
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it takes artists not technology, you can 't have a robot make glass and call it art
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's not hand made
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unless you don't tell anyone
05:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just like woodwork
05:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: handmade woodwork just has those little imperfections like Tom said
05:21 PM DigitalReaper: the design is still art though. it's like buying a print of a painting. it's not handmade but it's still artwork
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is what makes it artwork vs something that automation just spews out cheaply
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: inkjet vs Giclee
05:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: one is a simple copy made by inkjet the other is a simple copy made by inkjet
05:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with a French name
05:24 PM XXCoder: cant find that article
05:24 PM XXCoder: they showcased some glass stuff thats normally impossible to make period
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: SLS using glass frit?
05:25 PM XXCoder: nah its similiar to, but not sls
05:25 PM XXCoder: its their process
05:25 PM XXCoder: end result is pure glass.
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: https://scitechdaily.com/innovative-3d-printing-technology-creates-glass-microstructures-with-rays-of-light/
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe ^^
05:27 PM XXCoder: sadly no
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.designnews.com/3d-printing-processes/new-3d-printing-technique-prints-glass-microstructures
05:28 PM XXCoder: article had glass gears and one very complex chemistry manofold out of glass
05:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/04/220426101737.htm
05:29 PM XXCoder: https://scitechdaily.com/metallic-glass-gears-up-for-collaborative-robots-coatings-and-more/ not what i meant either but interesting read
05:34 PM _unreal_: 3d glass forming has been around for a long time.
05:34 PM _unreal_: lot of small figures are done that way
05:34 PM _unreal_: cnc glass art
05:34 PM XXCoder: yeah. not what i was talking about though
05:34 PM _unreal_: oh
05:35 PM _unreal_: just got back to milling
05:35 PM XXCoder: its similiar to sls, they print it, then they process it to kill off additives, bake it, then chemically remove more additives and bake it again
05:35 PM XXCoder: at end its all 100% glass. but in shape that cant be made by hand nor milling
05:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: https://hackaday.com/2022/05/28/3d-print-glass-with-a-laser-cutter/
05:36 PM XXCoder: not surpised
05:37 PM XXCoder: actually I might have misremembered it as sls-like, might be actually like sla. its quite different process
05:37 PM roycroft: i am not printing air any more, xxcoder, so the upgrades seem to be working
05:37 PM XXCoder: roy nice. forgot what upgrades it was though
05:37 PM roycroft: new extruder
05:37 PM XXCoder: oh yes! old one oval-ized
05:37 PM roycroft: yes
05:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: let me know if you find your link
05:38 PM roycroft: and i replaced the bowden tube as well, because i had to cut the old one off
05:38 PM _unreal_: so those upcut bits that I got are ok but they are cheap. the single flute up cute bits I've been using are much better. these one's dont seem to be as hard
05:38 PM XXCoder: sure! it was very interesting article!
05:38 PM roycroft: the old one was already capricorn
05:38 PM roycroft: i replaced with the same
05:38 PM roycroft: those are small cutters you're taking about, right?
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: most of the work now is to print powdered media faster than with inkjet
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: glass, metalsl, polymers
05:41 PM XXCoder: nice. I still want some SLS lol though need secure space for it
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/metalsl/metals/
05:48 PM _unreal_: man I cant wait till theswe parts are done
05:48 PM XXCoder: yeah once yours is done, you can make cnc machine for me
05:48 PM _unreal_: ?
05:48 PM XXCoder: lol
05:49 PM _unreal_: yours can do a HELL of a lot more then mine can do
05:49 PM XXCoder: yeah though it cant run for while now
05:49 PM _unreal_: aside from work area when I get the new one done
05:49 PM XXCoder: no room
05:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf6RzSZ25bw
05:49 PM _unreal_: ?
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbZmlsVDbgc
05:50 PM XXCoder: capt thats pretty cool though I see some risky stuff
05:51 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, what do you mean no room?
05:51 PM XXCoder: literally. I dont have place to setup machine at
05:51 PM _unreal_: ?
05:51 PM _unreal_: did you move?
05:51 PM XXCoder: yeah 3 years ago
05:51 PM _unreal_: huh???????
05:52 PM _unreal_: so you have not used your machine for 3 years?
05:52 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:53 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, you need one like this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ReMMOc5zQjrwCSnNdAv9avkJf35l6s3a/view?usp=sharing
05:54 PM _unreal_: LOL
05:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://openbuilds.com/builds/cricut-expressions-2-to-esp32-grbl-control.7586/
05:54 PM _unreal_: just the right size
05:54 PM XXCoder: lol
05:54 PM _unreal_: the one I made for my daughter
05:54 PM _unreal_: I have all the files BTW
05:54 PM XXCoder: capt yeahnot sure how easy it is though
05:54 PM XXCoder: I remember that, though never saw completed version
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/seishuku/TeensyCNC
05:55 PM _unreal_: kills me my daughter wants nothing to do with the cnc machine I made her
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.reddit.com/r/cricut/comments/m4gwdr/looking_for_dev_team_help/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
05:55 PM _unreal_: GOD I'd have given anything at that age for that machine
05:56 PM XXCoder: capt cricut changed key and made it hidden so havent found new key for libcutter to work with
05:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: so already done for a while
05:57 PM XXCoder: it WAS done. it was undone
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the one link uses an esp32 board
05:57 PM XXCoder: yeah saw that one
05:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some maker could offer control boards swaps for $9.95 plus parts and shipping
05:58 PM XXCoder: not sure if its computable with expression air 2
05:58 PM XXCoder: yeah. not me unfortunately, im definitely not skilled
05:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah i know that $9.95 is a lot of money but people have to eat
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: IF you could do 3 swaps a day one could eat three meals a day in the USA
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 4 in Cananda
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but who would in canada then you might get fat
06:00 PM XXCoder: that sites 4 years old. prices have increased
06:00 PM XXCoder: grbl is $35 on site, but now sells for 45
06:00 PM _unreal_: grbl?
06:00 PM XXCoder: GRBL ESP32 Development Board
06:01 PM _unreal_: oh
06:01 PM XXCoder: some product links gone or out of stock
06:01 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Yes, pretty much any ARM based microcontroller is 10x the price it was a few years ago. If you can get them at all.
06:02 PM XXCoder: zinc it wasnt too bad on that esp32., only $10 increase
06:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is like one meal at McDonalds
06:06 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Yes, but the ESP32 was about a $1 chip a few years ago.
06:06 PM XXCoder: GRBL ESP32 Development Board is far more complex, it has connectors and such
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that was before the fake virus, now price gouging is the thing to do since there is a supply chain, and it needs profit
06:08 PM XXCoder: https://www.tindie.com/products/33366583/tmc2209-4-axis-grbl_esp32-cnc-controller/ this one
06:10 PM XXCoder: actually might not be the case https://openbuilds.com/attachments/20180922_195501_hdr-jpg.35797/
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and don't forget about the trucking and shipping, they have drivers to take advantage of
06:10 PM XXCoder: looks different
06:12 PM XXCoder: found it https://www.tindie.com/products/33366583/grbl_esp32-cnc-development-board-v41/
06:12 PM XXCoder: out of stock
06:38 PM roycroft: please do not use the term "fake virus" - it's an affront to the millions who have died from it and the hundreds of millions who have suffered from it in some form or another
06:39 PM _unreal_: the only virus is those imposing restrictions using the fake pandemic virus as its "CAUSE" totally fake.
06:40 PM roycroft: fuck off, _unreal_
06:40 PM Tom_L: don't make me get out my whip
06:40 PM roycroft: you are a truly reprehensible person
06:40 PM roycroft: i would not be offended by folks describing some of the actions taken in response to the virus as unnecessary and harmful
06:40 PM Tom_L: drop it
06:41 PM Tom_L: before....
06:41 PM roycroft: but to deny that the virus exists and that has killed millions of people is beyond disgusting
06:41 PM roycroft: i am done now
06:43 PM RoboticsNut[m]: first run with some P feedback, no I or D yet.
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06:44 PM xxcoder8265[m]: nice
06:44 PM Tom_L: no supported format
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06:45 PM XXCoder: works on discord but yeah
06:45 PM Tom_L: and again
06:45 PM RoboticsNut[m]: sorry
06:45 PM Tom_L: but yeah you should get P to oscillate and back it off
06:45 PM Tom_L: then add the others
06:46 PM RoboticsNut[m]: the Rasberry Pi 4 8gb board is running the servo thread.
06:46 PM Tom_L: pcw-home, in the PID discussion earlier, what should FF1 be set to?
06:46 PM Tom_L: 1?
06:47 PM Tom_L: RoboticsNut[m], what's your servo_period?
06:48 PM pcw-home: For a velocity mode servo, FF1 should be 1 (if the analog output scale is the joint speed in units per second)
06:48 PM Tom_L: talking about PID in the stepgen config
06:49 PM pcw-home: for a stepgen config, Yes FF1 should be 1.000
06:50 PM Tom_L: leave FF0 at 0?
06:50 PM pcw-home: yes
06:51 PM pcw-home: But also for analog velocity mode servos, FF1 is the most important tuning parameter
06:53 PM RoboticsNut[m]: the servo is a Kollmorgren OFDL drive.
06:53 PM RoboticsNut[m]: and its in torque mode.
06:53 PM RoboticsNut[m]: +/- 10v control signal.
06:54 PM RoboticsNut[m]: servo tuning doesn't seem to work 😦
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06:56 PM pcw-home: Can you run it in velocity mode? (much easier to tune)
06:57 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I will have to figure out how to program the servo motor driver for that, though I do have a RS232 interface talking to it.
06:57 PM RoboticsNut[m]: documentation is pretty lacking though.
06:57 PM roycroft: i have figured out how to control the weather
06:58 PM Tom_L: start painting?
06:58 PM roycroft: i have had breaks between my work on the cabinets today, and wanted to do some gardening work
06:58 PM pcw-home: Torque mode tuning is completely different than velocity mode tuning (and typically needs a higher servo thread rate)
06:58 PM roycroft: so all i have to do is put some socks and shoes on, start walking out to the shed where i store my gardening tools, and it starts pouring down rain
06:58 PM roycroft: after i go back in the house and take my socks and shoes off the sun comes out
06:59 PM roycroft: this has happened three times today so far
06:59 PM Tom_L: move the tools
06:59 PM RoboticsNut[m]: does this look right for the mesa config page?
06:59 PM pcw-home: We got a tiny bit of rain today (0.25"?) but its big time drought here
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06:59 PM XXCoder: roycroft: are you secretly a weather controller? heh
06:59 PM roycroft: i think i'll check out my cnc router files while waiting for the rain to stop and the shellac to dry
06:59 PM RoboticsNut[m]: I have a 7i92 connected to a 7i77
07:00 PM Tom_L: pcw-home, are you anywhere near lake mead?
07:00 PM roycroft: so i can start working on that project again
07:00 PM XXCoder: OW https://twitter.com/jdchristopher/status/1533089680274731010 bad failure. and one guy does a dangerous thing
07:00 PM Tom_L: it's really bad...
07:00 PM pcw-home: No, SFBA
07:01 PM RoboticsNut[m]: if I only have one 7i77 why does it have a 7i77x2 ?
07:01 PM Tom_L: just configures the extra plug for another one
07:01 PM Tom_L: if you --readhmid you'll see
07:01 PM RoboticsNut[m]: ok
07:02 PM pcw-home: That's the firmware, really makes no difference unless you use the second 7I92 connector for something
07:02 PM RoboticsNut[m]: let me see which firmware I put on there.
07:02 PM RoboticsNut[m]: right now just keeping it simple
07:03 PM pcw-home: Don't think that matters either as long as the firmware has a 7i77 on the first 7i92 connector
07:05 PM RoboticsNut[m]: had to comment out to get linuxcnc to run: setp hm2_7192.0. stepgen.timer-number 1
07:10 PM pcw-home: That's a pncconf bug ( for a 7I77, this should be setp hm2_7192.0. encoder.timer-number 1 )
07:16 PM Tom_L: how is a HALCMD different from MDI_COMMAND?
07:17 PM Tom_L: MDI_COMMAND executes gcode only?
07:18 PM RoboticsNut[m]: pcw-home; thank you 🙂
07:20 PM RoboticsNut[m]: that worked.
07:22 PM RoboticsNut[m]: it sadly did not fi. thr enc_scale error that is preventing the PID tuner from running 😦
07:44 PM RoboticsNut[m]: turns out there is a bug, line 868 has extra spaces on 'enc_scale', fixed and its now working.
07:59 PM roycroft: well i managed to get my basil starts in the ground in between rain storms
08:00 PM roycroft: and that is what was critial - another couple days and they would not have survived
08:00 PM Tom_L: maybe you should switch crops to rice
08:00 PM roycroft: or maybe just be better prepared for normal weather
08:00 PM roycroft: we've been in drought for years
08:01 PM roycroft: in normal years i'd have cleaned up the garden beds better in the fall and covered them with mulch for the winter
08:01 PM roycroft: come spring, just pull the mulch, turn the soil over, and plant
08:01 PM roycroft: but since we've been in drought i've been able to work the soil in march, and have gotten lazy in the fall
08:29 PM _unreal_: jesus, for all te milling I've been doing I just cut my first part out
08:29 PM _unreal_: everything has been setup tasks
08:41 PM _unreal_: god I hate this aluminum
08:41 PM _unreal_: some parts cut fine, others its like tar just sticks to the bit no matter what I do
08:45 PM Loetmichel: _unreal_: tried cooling with IPA?
08:47 PM _unreal_: I cant use any kind of cooling on my cnc
08:47 PM _unreal_: it will destroy it
08:47 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: WD40 works too. Mist coolant is a good option if you can't do flood for aluminum. Chip welding is a real challenge to avoid when cutting dry
08:47 PM _unreal_: My new machine is immune to it by design but this little machine ;S
08:49 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: I used to use WD40 when cutting AL on my wood framed router. You don't need much. Just enough to dust the work.
08:50 PM XXCoder: yeah id say it acts as seperator between alum-alum so it dont weld
08:50 PM XXCoder: as well as as coolant
08:52 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: If you really can't use any coolant, air blast can work. Just a compressed air nozzle aimed at the cutting zone. This clears the chips and cools things so you have less chance of chip welding.
08:53 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Otherwise, you just need light cuts and to avoid recutting chips as much as possible.
08:53 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, didn't really notice any change adding the PID to the stepgen
08:53 PM Tom_L: didn't seem to hurt anything...
08:57 PM _unreal_: I'd love to problem is this cnc machine is sitting in my room, I have no choice. My dust/chip collector is a DIY mini dust collector setup. WORKS WONDERS for its size but can not ingest an oil.
08:57 PM _unreal_: the base of this machine is partical board. and well you know.
08:58 PM _unreal_: ZincBoy[CAON]066, thats about all I can do
08:58 PM _unreal_: shallow cuts
08:59 PM _unreal_: I do have a mini compressor but its not really designed for endless run time
08:59 PM _unreal_: then again it wouldnt have any real load on it
09:00 PM _unreal_: when thisnew machine is up and running. it will be amazing to have all kinds of work table area.
09:00 PM _unreal_: I can setup a coolant tray and pumps and everything
09:02 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: For an effective air blast you do need some CFM behind it so a mini compressor is not likely to do a great job. It might work well enough to clear the chips though and that is half the battle. Also some AL alloy/heat treatments are very difficult to machine and are really gummy.
09:02 PM XXCoder: mister would be better
09:02 PM XXCoder: tiny amount of wd40 along witg air
09:05 PM _unreal_: ZincBoy[CAON]066, when I say mini I do mean MINI
09:06 PM _unreal_: I have a different type of pump that is a brushless motor driven mini diaphragm pump. It was from some medical device. One of those is mounted in my laser etcher. does wonders blowing on the etching
09:06 PM _unreal_: ZincBoy[CAON]066, https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ejmwQjHGskbBvob9
09:07 PM Tom_L: get some zrn coated carbide mills and you will have a little better luck
09:07 PM _unreal_: ZincBoy[CAON]066, https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuUszxKaFziVnQKX9 gives you an idea of my skill level
09:16 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Yes, a small blower like that will not be sufficient. As Tom_L said, coatings can help but you really need DLC or CVD to get the coefficent of friction low enough to make dry machining practical.
10:07 PM _unreal_: I've still got hours of cutting to do but feels good to have the last big part being cut
10:07 PM _unreal_: got a few small parts to go as well but after this one. I can start assembling stuff
10:22 PM Tom_L: who was asking about line extensions in config files here the other day?
10:22 PM roycroft: i remember someone asking, but i don't remember who
10:25 PM Tom_L: just tested and it works with an '\' at the end of the line with no space afterward and can be set with MAX_EXTEND_LINES = (up to 20) are allowed
10:26 PM XXCoder: you remember what specific words?
10:26 PM XXCoder: I can search in discord
10:26 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#_variables
10:27 PM Tom_L: i could to but i'm not going to
10:27 PM XXCoder: well tgats why I said that I would. :) just need terms to find
10:28 PM Tom_L: that's your homework :)
10:28 PM XXCoder: I cant recall what words was used
10:31 PM Tom_L: Jun 02 11:48:27 <silopolis[m]> can long lines be split in HAL files ? Like with '' ?
10:32 PM Tom_L: looks like jepler answered it too
10:32 PM xxcoder8265[m]: silopolis ^
10:33 PM Tom_L: i didn't wanna say without testing it
10:33 PM xxcoder8265[m]: well I pinged him on discord. hes also on irc, and matrix so either will happen lol
10:34 PM Tom_L: he got his answer already
10:34 PM Tom_L: i was just reading something else and came across that
10:35 PM XXCoder: ok well solved then :D
10:35 PM Tom_L: what setting will ignore limits and start lcnc without being homed?
10:37 PM XXCoder: lol love the beginning of https://youtu.be/Rwe3US4fuLM
10:59 PM XXCoder: such a great video
11:23 PM roycroft: i have my drawer pulls half cut out
11:24 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/New_Cabinets/19_Drawer_Pulls_1.jpeg
11:24 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/New_Cabinets/20_Drawer_Pulls_2.jpeg
11:24 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/New_Cabinets/21_Drawer_Pulls_3.jpeg
11:24 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/New_Cabinets/22_Drawer_Pulls_4.jpeg
11:25 PM roycroft: i'll machine the inner part over the next couple days, as i have some spare time
11:25 PM XXCoder: using metal one as "stopper" for sanding it to shape?
11:25 PM roycroft: my template for the outer side does not scale well to 60 pulls
11:26 PM roycroft: i'm using a template cutter on my router table to shape them
11:26 PM roycroft: the metal tempate is where the bearing rides
11:26 PM XXCoder: ahh yeah works better than sanding which would sorta cut on metal too
11:26 PM roycroft: i've made a lot of drawer pulls with those jibs, but out of softer woods
11:27 PM roycroft: this is the first time i've worked with jatobá, and while i like it so far, it's very very hard
11:27 PM roycroft: and rather difficult to work with
11:28 PM roycroft: with the first template, for shaping the outside, i use a template cutter with the bearing on top
11:28 PM roycroft: with the second one, for shaping the inside, i use a different cutter with the bearing on the bottom
11:28 PM roycroft: so in both cases the bearing follows the template
11:29 PM XXCoder: thats cool
11:29 PM XXCoder: with future cnc router you can make all kinds of templates too
11:29 PM roycroft: maybe when i build my cnc router i'll figure out a better way to make the pulls
11:33 PM XXCoder: nice
11:33 PM XXCoder: well can always make it wholesale there
11:33 PM XXCoder: then finish
11:37 PM roycroft: it's something i've actually considered doing
11:37 PM roycroft: decent quality wooden drawer pulls are hard to find, and expensive
11:38 PM XXCoder: if you add 4th axis ability, you can do knobs too
11:38 PM roycroft: i might be able to make some money doing small production runs of them and selling them
11:38 PM XXCoder: theres type of 4th where you disconnect Y axis and connect it to 4th.
11:38 PM roycroft: yeah, but two things:
11:38 PM roycroft: 1. i don't use or like round knobs very much
11:38 PM XXCoder: cam it looks like sheet
11:38 PM roycroft: 2. cheap wood round knobs are fairly common and cheap
11:38 PM roycroft: well, just common
11:39 PM XXCoder: lol yeah likely due to turrets
11:39 PM roycroft: chea ones are, by defintion, cheap :)
11:39 PM XXCoder: or single lathe that has automated everything
11:39 PM XXCoder: probably with some guy asleep somewhere
11:39 PM XXCoder: anyway yeah not always for knobs
11:40 PM XXCoder: can do various stuff like statue or stair handlebar supports
11:40 PM roycroft: these pulls are not too hard to make, but they do require some jigs that takes a while to make and folks who only need a few are unlikely to want to make the jigs
11:40 PM roycroft: and others, like those greene and greene style ones i made a while back, both require jigs and are a lot of work to make
11:41 PM roycroft: so i can see a potential market for them as well
11:41 PM XXCoder: well hope you succeed
11:41 PM roycroft: i'll succeed at something
11:41 PM roycroft: i'm just not sure what it will be yet
11:42 PM roycroft: i do want to focus on the japanese style lamps, but it might take a while to build a market for them