#linuxcnc Logs
May 16 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:59 AM Deejay: moin
04:49 AM Tom_L: morning
06:12 AM JT-Cave: morning
10:02 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
10:11 AM Tom_L: mowed, showered.. gonna be a nice sunny day in doo dah
10:11 AM roycroft: it should be a lovely day here as well
10:11 AM roycroft: mostly sunny, high about 18
10:12 AM roycroft: i'm back at work today, though, so i'll be indoors most of the day
10:14 AM roycroft: the forecast is for dry weather for most of the coming week, so i should be able to work on my lawn-jungle soon
11:20 AM roguish[m]: going into the 80's here. unlike New Delhi, where it's 49C ==== 120F
11:33 AM travis_farmer853: it is just 65F here... i may even putter on my machine in a bit 🙂
12:00 PM roycroft: my primary nas is almost out of disk, and i have to set up a lab using it
12:01 PM roycroft: i just found a spare 6TB disk that i did not know i had
12:01 PM roycroft: so i ordered another one, and i should be swimming in storage soon
12:02 PM roycroft: 6TB nas drives have come way down in price too - they're about $109 now
12:02 PM roycroft: they were upwards of $400 when i first started buying them
12:56 PM XXCoder: roycroft: too late, your jungle have been turned into wildlife reserve ;)
01:00 PM c101horse8332[m]: where do yall get your workholding stuff from?
01:12 PM roycroft: it is, xxcoder
01:12 PM roycroft: and i expect a few critters to go scrambling when i start cutting it
01:12 PM XXCoder: for what machine type c101 :)
01:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: c101horse🇳🇱: many sources, what types are you looking for and where are you?
01:36 PM c101horse8332[m]: Milling machine with tslots im mainly looking for the ones you put straight on the bed and clamp the side with, since i dont have that much z hight id like something that isnt a vice
01:37 PM XXCoder: cnc router?
01:38 PM c101horse8332[m]: retrofit 3 axis milling machine
01:39 PM XXCoder: got a picture? because short z is unusual for milling machine
01:40 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: I am a fan of the mitee-bite workholding solutions for 2nd op and low z height.
01:40 PM * c101horse8332[m] uploaded an image: (816KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/dcXySkOnIOZjjRzhqzXPddDr/20220516_202337.jpg >
01:41 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: I have also been looking at these: https://saundersmachineworks.com/products/modular-vise-system-hobby
01:41 PM roycroft: that looks like a horizontal mill with a vertical head slapped on
01:41 PM c101horse8332[m]: yet its original
01:41 PM XXCoder: was thinking that
01:41 PM c101horse8332[m]: but yeah thats basicly what it is
01:42 PM XXCoder: no wonder it has so low z
01:42 PM XXCoder: anyway
01:42 PM XXCoder: theres few options, like modular vice like zincboy menioned
01:42 PM roycroft: and there's always double sided tape :)
01:42 PM XXCoder: for thin and easy to hold stuff, vaccum or tape like roy said
01:44 PM XXCoder: can mount directly on table, though with that you cant do though drills and mill all way down
01:44 PM c101horse8332[m]: yeah that kinda what im looking for, and stuff like the mitee bite he mentioned. currently using the superglue method on a part
01:44 PM GTKplusplus6432[: currently trying to make a couple to replace my printed clamps
01:44 PM GTKplusplus6432[: shouldn't be TOO hard as long as I don't mess up turning the eccentric screw
01:44 PM XXCoder: printed? is that pictured ones? you should be able to buy set
01:45 PM c101horse8332[m]: when i go looking for the stuff im after i only get the pro grade stuff for some reasone at pro grade pricing
01:46 PM roycroft: toe clamps are nice for some applications
01:47 PM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/303684644054
01:47 PM roycroft: for example
01:47 PM XXCoder: thats good ones
01:47 PM XXCoder: I lothe mitee ones
01:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: c101horse🇳🇱: Shars has Chinese grade
01:49 PM XXCoder: massive sale https://www.amazon.com/Pro-T-Slot-Clamping-Bridgeport-Mill/dp/B01BH8MTCU/
01:49 PM roycroft: i would call shars products "select chinese grade"
01:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: had success with some vises, most of the stuff is not too great
01:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: high end hobby grade
01:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but you don't cry if something gets damaged since it's low cost
01:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.shars.com/products/workholding
01:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they carry Kurt now
01:54 PM c101horse8332[m]: looks like shipping is going to cost me an arm and a leg, any stuff in mainland europe you guys know of?
01:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: c101horse🇳🇱: ask on the forums
01:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/
02:31 PM unterhausen: shars carries Kurt? Must signal the apocalypse
02:35 PM GTKplusplus6432[: no, I have printed wasteboard clamps, but for most things I do side clamps would be better. So I'm machining mitee bite like replacements
02:36 PM hazzy[m]: unterhausen: I believe they have for years
02:38 PM unterhausen: I guess it's not too surprising, but I usually buy from ebay
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Shars also some deal with a cutting tool maker on the east cost
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they drop ship vs stock at shars
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.shars.com/products/cutting/end-mills?brand=Made+in+USA
02:54 PM MrSunshine__ is now known as MrSunshine
03:10 PM roycroft: i got one more carcase assembled at lunch today
03:10 PM roycroft: one more to go and that part of the project will be done
03:47 PM Thorhian7490[m]: And Taiwan made too. It seems a lot of their Tegara made stuff is pretty good, including the vise I bought.
03:49 PM roycroft: mainland china can make high quality tooling/machines
03:50 PM roycroft: most people don't want to pay for that though - they would rather pay less for junk, so junk is what is most commonly made
03:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Taiwan has a common language with China, but their schools and work ethics are different
03:51 PM roycroft: sort of
03:51 PM roycroft: china does not have a common language with china :)
03:51 PM roycroft: taiwan has a common language family with china
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: higher ups in taiwan tend to send their kids to schools in Australia and abroad for Uni
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I would not mind living in Taiwan if it was not for the impending invasion from China
03:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's going to be a sad day when they invade, similar to Ukraine
03:54 PM roycroft: and it's almost inevitable
04:06 PM * roycroft is happy living in oregon, and thinks the chance of being invaded by idaho are fairly slim
04:06 PM roycroft: we have been invaded by californians, and while that is somewhat distasteful, it's been tolerable so far
04:07 PM roycroft: and most of the invaders are from norcal, so i5 is not referred to as "the i5" around here (yet)
04:22 PM travis_farmer853: could be worse, roycroft... i live in Maine, and every summer we get invaded by many other states...
04:31 PM roycroft: we get a lot of that too
04:32 PM roycroft: but not too many quebecois
04:35 PM travis_farmer853: `quebecois` ???
04:37 PM travis_farmer853: oh, Quebec folks?
04:38 PM roycroft: yes
04:38 PM roycroft: and we don't get any newfies at all
04:39 PM roycroft: but we do get californians, so there's that
04:39 PM travis_farmer853: most of the Quebec folks we get are log and lumber truck drivers. and they are terrible drivers
04:41 PM roycroft: that is more specific to loggers than quebecois
04:41 PM roycroft: our loggers are terrible drivers
04:41 PM travis_farmer853: could be true
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05:36 PM JT-Shop: I have a limit of one fpga card per customer so a guy placed 4 orders but only two for the same card... thinking of refunding one
05:37 PM _unreal_: pis the limit posted?
05:37 PM Tom_L: naw, just keep his money and send it to me
05:37 PM _unreal_: if so I would refund "sorry trying times"
05:37 PM Tom_L: i'll write him a thankyou letter
05:37 PM JT-Shop: you can't select more than 1
05:37 PM _unreal_: heh
05:38 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I conned a guy into buying me a voodoo2 12meg years ago. traded him warez software
05:38 PM _unreal_: gave him everything he wanted
05:38 PM Tom_L: i should get another 7i47s while i can
05:38 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/product/6i25/
05:39 PM JT-Shop: try adding two to the cart
05:40 PM JT-Shop: actually he did it twice once for 6i25 and once for 7i48's
05:40 PM Tom_L: yeah it limits to 1
05:40 PM JT-Shop: so he clearly is trying to get around the limit
05:41 PM Tom_L: he's stupid
05:41 PM JT-Shop: I should email him and ask him which order he want's me to fill
05:41 PM Tom_L: he should wait 3-4 days and reorder
05:41 PM JT-Shop: a month maybe
05:42 PM Tom_L: i got spares but i don't think i have an extra 7i47S
05:42 PM Tom_L: i think i have a 7i47
05:42 PM Tom_L: not worried about it
05:44 PM Tom_L: mine is an odd combination but it's what made sense to me at the time
05:44 PM JT-Shop: weird he ordered 7i48's 7i37TA and 7i33TA
05:44 PM Tom_L: now alot better cards are out
05:44 PM JT-Shop: and 6i25's
05:44 PM JT-Shop: which don't even go together
05:44 PM Tom_L: i think i've used every single IO on the 7i47 too
05:45 PM Tom_L: maybe he's wanting to resell em
05:45 PM Tom_L: who knows
05:45 PM JT-Shop: his email is .edu
05:45 PM Tom_L: well there you go
05:46 PM Tom_L: doesn't look like a group buy does it?
05:47 PM JT-Shop: I'm not sure what to make of it
05:47 PM Tom_L: seems a bit odd
05:47 PM Tom_L: dunno what a 7i48 is..
05:48 PM JT-Shop: as much as I'd like to sell the 50 pin cards it just rubs me the wrong way
05:48 PM JT-Shop: 6 axis servo card
05:48 PM Tom_L: ok
05:49 PM Tom_L: damn this swing set for the nieces whipped my ass today
05:49 PM Tom_L: mowed prior
05:50 PM Tom_L: wtf was i thinking...
05:50 PM JT-Shop: putting it together?
05:50 PM Tom_L: yeah it's done now
05:50 PM Tom_L: got a little 4 x 4 trampoline that was damn near impossible to put together
05:50 PM * JT-Shop wanders to the deck to mix more potting soil for the deck planters
05:50 PM Tom_L: use a come along to get the springs stretched enough
05:51 PM JT-Shop: damn
05:51 PM JT-Shop: that's pretty bad
05:51 PM JT-Shop: any how I'm off to the deck
05:51 PM Tom_L: i think it's because it was so small
05:51 PM Tom_L: later..
06:02 PM ChwanPang8938[m]: do you guys use the standard linuxcnc distro or debian/ubuntu with linuxcnc installed on it?
06:02 PM ChwanPang8938[m]: need to install some drivers that arent compatible with the standard linuxcnc distro cuz its too old and wondering what to pick
06:02 PM _unreal_: ChwanPang8938[m], I think it depends more on the end users linux skills
06:02 PM _unreal_: low end linux skilled people will likely go with the pre-build install distro.
06:03 PM _unreal_: I've done both build from scratch
06:03 PM _unreal_: and pre-build distro
06:05 PM ChwanPang8938[m]: did you use buster jessie or ubuntu precise for your builds from scratch?
06:08 PM Tom_L: i'm using wheezy? i think on the mill
06:08 PM Tom_L: but the hardware is pretty old
06:09 PM Tom_L: yes, wheezy then i updated linuxcnc from 2.7 to 2.8.xx
06:11 PM _unreal_: I useded jessie
06:11 PM _unreal_: err no weezsy I beleive is what I built for the tinkerboard
06:11 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure there was a lcnc release for jesse
06:11 PM _unreal_: ya weezy
06:12 PM roycroft: it's not hard to install linuxcnc on a custom debian machine
06:12 PM _unreal_: getting the RTO built for the tinkerboard was a challange
06:12 PM _unreal_: well taking the kid out to cici's
06:12 PM _unreal_: later
06:12 PM _unreal_: all you can eat pizza
06:15 PM * ChwanPang8938[m] uploaded an image: (61KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/pliYSWNcbioXZfjRCpWzOHvy/unknown.png >
06:15 PM ChwanPang8938[m]: so this is just a recommendation or does it indeed need to be one of these?
06:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the version of Debian?
06:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it also depends on IF you want all the features of LCNC or just some
06:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all sorts of issues IF you want RTAI, working Python etc etc
06:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ChwanPang#8938: ^^^
06:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: last i checked Debian Bullseye was several versions behind Sid with all sorts of things like mesa, drivers, etc etc
06:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and Sid is several versions behind lots of projects latest versions with bug fixes that they include
06:20 PM Tom_L: sid is unstable release
06:20 PM Tom_L: always
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: best bet with debain is have 3+ year old hardware
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and even then, maybe 5
06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: use Arch if you want to fix your system every time you update
06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok every other time
06:21 PM Tom_L: that chart just shows what the buildbot debs are for
06:21 PM Tom_L: i think
06:22 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], is bullseye a linux package install now?
06:22 PM Tom_L: i know they've been working on that
06:22 PM Tom_L: lcnc for bullseye
06:23 PM Tom_L: they've been working on language translation for quite a while now
06:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I think I built bullseye right before Debian package was available
06:23 PM roycroft: $ cat /etc/debian_version
06:23 PM roycroft: 11.3
06:23 PM Tom_L: but i don't know if it's a release yet
06:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: isn't the LCNC package for Sid right now?
06:23 PM roycroft: $ apt-cache search linuxcnc
06:23 PM Tom_L: sid is always the current unstable version so i doubt it
06:23 PM roycroft: $
06:23 PM roycroft: so not yet
06:24 PM roycroft: or is there a separate repository for it?
06:24 PM Tom_L: i don't know if it's a release yet
06:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: silopolis: which version Debian is the LCNC package for?
06:25 PM Tom_L: if it were it would be 11
06:25 PM Tom_L: bullseye
06:25 PM roycroft: debian says it's in sid
06:25 PM Tom_L: so not yet
06:25 PM roycroft: package linuxcnc-uspace
06:25 PM Tom_L: right
06:26 PM Tom_L: sid is always the current unstable version
06:26 PM roycroft: so maybe by thanksgiving
06:26 PM roycroft: :)
06:26 PM Tom_L: safe to say
06:26 PM Tom_L: what year?
06:26 PM roycroft: and what thanksgiving?
06:26 PM roycroft: let's give it until the usa thanskgiving
06:26 PM roycroft: canadian thanksgiving might be pushing it
06:26 PM Tom_L: or chinese new year
06:27 PM roycroft: it is supposed to be warm and sunny today, but it sure looks and feels like it's fixing to rain
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: did break 90 all last week?
06:30 PM Tom_L: i'm not even sure tbh
06:30 PM Tom_L: i was gone a couple days
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I went from jacket, hat and scarf to short sleeves
06:30 PM Tom_L: iirc i was short sleeves all week
06:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: now e get our 2 weeks of 60-70's before it's humid and 80+ very day until September
06:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/e/we/
06:31 PM roycroft: i need to do my painting on my cabinet carcases outdoors
06:31 PM Tom_L: couple days it was in the 90s
06:31 PM roycroft: under an ez-up, but still outdoors, and i'd rather not do that if it's going to rain
06:32 PM * roycroft has to decide quickly, as he has a meeting at 6
06:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you're already late here
06:35 PM roycroft: that's why i'm here, not there
06:36 PM roycroft: i should probaby go ahead and get the last one assembled, so i can stop falling behind
06:37 PM roycroft: if it rains it rains
06:37 PM XXCoder: hate how mowing makes me feel half dead
06:37 PM roycroft: that's one reason i want to stop falling behind on this project
06:37 PM roycroft: so i'll have time to get to mowing
06:38 PM Tom_L: get a goat
06:38 PM XXCoder: cant afford
06:38 PM Tom_L: goat milk
06:38 PM Tom_L: short lawn
06:39 PM Tom_L: win win
06:39 PM XXCoder: goat milk dont think I ever tried that. I generally dont use milk at all anyway
07:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not many stores carry goats milk out here yonder
07:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you'd think in farm country they would even have it in vending machines
07:03 PM Tom_L: cows produce more milk
07:03 PM Tom_L: chickens even less
07:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: cows we got herds of
07:03 PM Tom_L: same here
07:03 PM Tom_L: dairy and beef
07:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm near the Wisconsin border in Illinois
07:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Illinois grows mostly corn but as soon as you cross into WI, you rarely see corn grown
07:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: what crops to they grow near you?
07:05 PM Tom_L: we have quite a variey of crops
07:05 PM Tom_L: majority is wheat
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: almost never see wheat here, they alternate corn with soy
07:06 PM Tom_L: wheat, corn, milo, soy beans, sesamie seed, cotton, umm i forget
07:06 PM Tom_L: cotton has become bigger here recently
07:06 PM Tom_L: wheat is the mainstay though
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: WI is more like your area, they pretty grow everything except for corn
07:07 PM Tom_L: alfalfa hay as an alternate
07:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and around me it's mostly feed corn, not even the good stuff
07:07 PM Tom_L: they did sunflower for a while but quit
07:08 PM Tom_L: don't think it was very profitable
07:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they harvest in early November
07:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and the corn farmers are against high speed rail
07:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I guess it scares the corn
07:08 PM Tom_L: i see corn all over the rails here
07:09 PM Tom_L: leaks out of the cars
07:09 PM Tom_L: we've got elevators all over the place here in town and the biggest one in the world just outside town
07:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and they put corn in our gas
07:10 PM Tom_L: Cargill has a big presence here
07:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: after some brewing
07:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well fermenting and distillation anyway
07:11 PM Tom_L: we could succeed from the nation and probably be ok as a state
07:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i never heard what the corn farmers had against high speed rail other than their political idols telling them to be against it
07:12 PM Tom_L: heh i dunno
07:12 PM Tom_L: never heard that one
07:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same for Illinois except for cook county/Chicago
07:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: >1 hour outside the city it's not really different than Indiana, tenn and Kintuky
07:13 PM Tom_L: water, oil, crops, livestock... several industries
07:13 PM Tom_L: farm industry isn't as big as it used to be here though
07:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/>/over an /
07:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Chicago vs the rest of the state, they don't really like each other much
07:15 PM Tom_L: aircraft is still big
07:16 PM Tom_L: heh
07:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I kiinuh help it if nobuddy wants to live downstate
07:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and Wi doesn't like anyone from IL
07:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: both parts!
07:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I think Boeing is leaving Chicago
07:18 PM Tom_L: Hatfields N McCoys
07:18 PM Tom_L: well boeing supposedly left here, now it's Spirit and they're doing better than ever
07:19 PM Tom_L: just opened up the market for others beside Boeing
07:19 PM Tom_L: airbus etc
07:19 PM Tom_L: we still do the boeing tubes here
07:19 PM Tom_L: rail them to the W coast
07:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sad to see
07:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Boeing has so many problems
07:20 PM Tom_L: they'll survive
07:21 PM Tom_L: Beech & Cessna were bought by Textron now they're all buddies
07:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Northrop Grumman is nearby
07:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh when was this?
07:22 PM Tom_L: learjet was bought by Bombardier and afik pretty much died
07:22 PM Tom_L: a few years back
07:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 9 years since the LCNC fest there
07:22 PM Tom_L: they still have a facility but i dunno what they do there
07:23 PM Tom_L: alot can happen in 9 yrs
07:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same summer that jumbo jet landed at the small airport
07:23 PM Tom_L: jabara
07:23 PM Tom_L: that's right by the Vo'tech
07:23 PM Tom_L: i was out there one say when a plane belly landed
07:24 PM Tom_L: he undershot the runway and folded the landing gear
07:24 PM Tom_L: s/say/day
07:24 PM Tom_L: yeah that dreamlifter was a win win for that airport
07:25 PM Tom_L: that's basically a corporate airport
07:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://wjla.com/news/videos/boeing-747-lands-at-wrong-airport-in-kansas-97158
07:26 PM Tom_L: just happened to be somewhat inline with the air base
07:26 PM Tom_L: probably 5 or so miles apart
07:26 PM Tom_L: maybe a bit more
07:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah I've watched it on flight tracker
07:27 PM Tom_L: we see those dreamlifters here every so often
07:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: BBL, almost dark here
07:30 PM roycroft: i got my last carcase assembled, but no painting today
07:31 PM roycroft: that's ok - i think i can paint first thing tomorrow, and then at lunch time, and still get the last two installed tomorrow after work
09:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://imgur.com/gallery/iB1OYAn
09:29 PM XXCoder: nice
09:31 PM Tom_L: not lcnc powered is it?
09:47 PM infornography: neat
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09:49 PM XXCoder: reminds me of that tiny wire bender project
09:49 PM XXCoder: I wanted to make it but meh also
10:17 PM XXCoder: oh yes roycroft how was gst3d
10:26 PM roycroft: i haven't had a chance to even open the package yet
10:26 PM roycroft: as soon as i get my carcases all installed i'll get to that
10:27 PM roycroft: i need to get back to printing boxes
10:27 PM XXCoder: ok
10:27 PM roycroft: and when the carcases are installed i can store the printed boxes in them while i'm making the drawers
10:27 PM roycroft: i had just run out of room to store them, which is why i stopped printing them
10:28 PM roycroft: so by later this week i should be back to printing
10:28 PM roycroft: i do want to test that filament soon, because when i make a bulk order there will be month's lead time
10:29 PM XXCoder: indeed. best to know for sure
10:29 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm not going to order 20 or so spools until i've worked with it
10:35 PM Contract_Pilot: Parts Shortage Sucks.. 2 Orders canceled today out of stock LOL! Sheesh
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