May 15 2022
12:05 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I had burns on both sides of my hands from the arc going through
12:13 AM CaptHindsight[m]: no biggie, you scream for a second if surprised and smell burnt skin
02:12 AM Deejay: moin
05:03 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:32 AM Splat7847[m]: Probing hates me, I can't seem to get a probing sequence to work without getting the "probe is already tripped when starting G38.2 or G38.3 move"
06:33 AM Splat7847[m]: Or "probe tripped during non-probe move."
07:27 AM _unreal_: Splat7847[m], then you have a signal error
07:27 AM _unreal_: what kind of probe?
07:28 AM _unreal_: Splat7847[m], prove out your probe if you disconnect it. does it still have the "signal" issue?
07:29 AM _unreal_: I had issues like that in the past and ended up having to add R/C filters to my signal inputs and outputs, Limits, etc...
07:30 AM _unreal_: it was do to the stepper motors control wires emitting signal every time the motor stepped.
07:33 AM Splat7847[m]: My probe is a couple of alligator clips and some wire.. if it's not connected then there is no issues
07:34 AM Splat7847[m]: The bit where I end up getting an error is when it should move back away from the surface it just probed it will instead give me the error
07:43 AM _unreal_: so you have no errors even if the probe is connected to your controller but not contacting the surfaces
07:44 AM _unreal_: so it probes to but fails to retract
07:44 AM Splat7847[m]: Yeah
07:44 AM _unreal_: the moment the machine probes and stops
07:45 AM _unreal_: will it retract at all? or is it TOTAL fail the second it has made probe contact. the next move just fails
07:45 AM _unreal_: retraction
07:46 AM Splat7847[m]: It's basically during a movement away from the thing being probed.. sometimes it was doing to fast probe, move back and go in slow.. then fail to move back the final time.. other times it would do the fast probe then fail..
07:46 AM _unreal_: if the machine tries to move and fails, that sounds like you have a contact delay issue, meaning the nano arcing that happens beween the contact
07:46 AM _unreal_: so it will try to retract
07:47 AM _unreal_: that sounds like signal quality
07:47 AM _unreal_: you may want to try an R/C filter. one second.
07:54 AM _unreal_: Splat7847[m], found it
07:54 AM _unreal_: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-cards/413028-cnc.html
07:55 AM _unreal_: Splat7847[m], check that out. I'm assuming you have your probe setup as N/O normally open
07:56 AM Splat7847[m]: I can't remember off the top of my head.. I know I have everything need to be active low.. to get around noise
07:56 AM _unreal_: Splat7847[m], that thread is one of my many post's on cnczone.com there is a bunch of hate on that page which is annoying. yet the funny thing is that "filter" is originally published by arduino.
07:57 AM _unreal_: get around noise is a bandaid not a fix
07:58 AM _unreal_: Splat7847[m], I do all of my sensors as N/O with filters R/C filters. and have ZERO issues with noise feed back ever
07:59 AM _unreal_: if you have your probe setup with aligator clips. that is a N/O circuit by design.
07:59 AM _unreal_: unless you had a probe with an internal switch keeping it as a closed circuit till it touches and opens the circuit.
08:00 AM _unreal_: I'm wondering if you have a combo of setup "software" error and a filter issue. what controller are you using
08:00 AM Splat7847[m]: I don't know that there is much noise on this machine . On my last one a little 3020 Chinese one I had made a PCB for a bunch of inputs and had problems and when I reversed the logic the problems went away.. and I've stayed with active low ever since since it's impossible to get a fake ground reading
08:00 AM _unreal_: ther is always noise
08:01 AM Splat7847[m]: I have a mesa 7i76e on this machine
08:01 AM _unreal_: so you have like your limits tied in series
08:01 AM _unreal_: right?
08:02 AM Splat7847[m]: But it's been over a year since insured things up and I can't remember how I setup the probe wiring
08:02 AM _unreal_: did you write down all of your wireing at all?
08:02 AM _unreal_: I have made booklets on my machines showing ALL of the wiring. what goes to what etc...
08:02 AM Splat7847[m]: No each of the limit switches goes back to the controller by itself.. there was no reason to join them up
08:02 AM _unreal_: chicken scratch but I at least have a ref.
08:03 AM _unreal_: ? thats active low
08:03 AM Splat7847[m]: I have the information.. but I'm on my phone currently
08:03 AM Splat7847[m]: And it's almost 11pm
08:04 AM _unreal_: almost 9am here
08:04 AM _unreal_: just got up getting ready to wake my daughter up
08:04 AM _unreal_: hugs and kissis heheheh
08:05 AM Splat7847[m]: The inputs are pulled up so when you trip a limit switch or the probe you are grounding the input.. so yeah active low
08:07 AM _unreal_: your minus 100nF caps then to make a nice filter. it just kills false feed back and the nano arcing
08:07 AM _unreal_: as per that page I posted
08:12 AM Splat7847[m]: I'll look in to it tomorrow.. check how I wired things.. I have a couple things to try.. I don't think my z probing has been effected.. it's just that I'm trying to probe X
08:14 AM _unreal_: probing X like I said
08:14 AM _unreal_: I just probe TO using "probe" when the machine stops I manually enter the "new" x or y position.
08:15 AM _unreal_: with the offset for the radius of the bit I'm using.
08:16 AM _unreal_: so if its a 1/8 bit my machines run on MM. thats 1.5625mm or half of 1/8 bit. and I just set the current machine position + or - depending on what side I'm probing to. if I'm probing the + side of the material to begin with. then its ??? 200mm + radius of probe is current position.
08:17 AM _unreal_: I then lift my Z and goto g00 x/y 200mm and the probe should center over the edge.
08:17 AM _unreal_: easy peezy
08:17 AM _unreal_: time to wake my daughter its 9
08:18 AM travis_farmer853: need a air horn? 😉
08:26 AM _unreal_: shes little cute and snuggly. why would I air horn her
08:27 AM travis_farmer853: it was a joke, sorry
08:50 AM TurBoss: i need an airhorn to wake myself
08:50 AM TurBoss: 🙂
09:10 AM _unreal_: TurBoss, that I agree with
09:10 AM _unreal_: heh
09:23 AM _unreal_: wow a few of my posts are still very current on cnczone.com one of them has 10k views
09:34 AM t4nk_freenode: that's because you are a man of might and magic, _unreal_ :)
09:37 AM t4nk_freenode: darnit, I need to drill some holes to attach the stepper mount and stuff
09:39 AM _unreal_: I'm doing more cad tweaking for the next round of milling on this main mount plate
09:39 AM _unreal_: setting up the the pockets for the holes
09:39 AM t4nk_freenode: on the one hand I just can't get to drill the holes out of fear that I'll do it wrong
09:39 AM t4nk_freenode: ly
09:39 AM t4nk_freenode: so I want to make templates
09:40 AM t4nk_freenode: ... and on the other hand I'm tempted to just take the darned drill and yank it through there
09:40 AM t4nk_freenode: btw, _unreal_
09:40 AM t4nk_freenode: you mentioned... some piece of yours ... 'having "extra holes"'
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: may I remark that that is a trait of true idiots!?
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: ... so there I was.. took the machine apart
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: marked and drilled some holes
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: put it back together..
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: lol
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: holes in the wrong place ;)
09:42 AM _unreal_: its a mark of having grabbed the wrong part of the cad file when converting from 2d to 3d
09:42 AM t4nk_freenode: on the opposite frigging side
09:42 AM t4nk_freenode: so now I have some spare holes too
09:43 AM t4nk_freenode: anyhow, *sigh*, best get to it
09:56 AM _unreal_: there all reliefs are added
10:03 AM * roycroft will get started on his project shortly
10:03 AM roycroft: while legally i can make noise as early as 7am, i like to wait until at least 8am, especially on weekends
10:04 AM _unreal_: so till then shaaaadaaaap
10:05 AM * roycroft sips his cappuccino
10:13 AM * t4nk_freenode coincidentally sips his too
10:14 AM t4nk_freenode: ok, 6 holes done, 3 to go
10:14 AM t4nk_freenode: better make another cappuchino so I won't have to sip
10:46 AM roycroft: one cappuccino is fine for me - if i have a second i'll have a hard time getting to sleep at night
10:47 AM roycroft: my boss makes strong, tar-like coffee and drinks 3-4 pots of it per day
10:47 AM roycroft: i don't know how he does it
10:47 AM roycroft: maybe he just has not slept in 40 years
10:49 AM t4nk_freenode: I take in a lot of strong coffee a day
10:50 AM t4nk_freenode: ... even one last one before bed ;)
11:06 AM JT-Cave: only aliens can drink tar-like coffee all day think Men in Black
11:07 AM JT-Cave: yippie the Mesa Configuration Tool now supports the 7i96S with a few new features
11:08 AM * JT-Cave thinks a nap is in order
11:15 AM _unreal_: what is the difference between the 7i96 and 7i96s
11:15 AM _unreal_: I have the 7i96
11:17 AM _unreal_: well time to get my day going
11:18 AM _unreal_: later
12:09 PM c101horse8332[m]: thats all it does
12:09 PM unterhausen: that doesn't sound like an lcnc problem at all. Although we might be able to help
12:10 PM c101horse8332[m]: to me it does, because it doesnt run the program
12:10 PM c101horse8332[m]: the same program it ran before the driver overheated
12:10 PM unterhausen: steppers?
12:10 PM c101horse8332[m]: the driver is fine btw
12:10 PM c101horse8332[m]: yeah
12:11 PM unterhausen: run lcnc from a command line and see if it spits out any errors to the console
12:11 PM c101horse8332[m]: remind me how i do that again please
12:12 PM unterhausen: issue the command linuxcnc on a terminal
12:16 PM unterhausen: are you using the parport?
12:17 PM travis_farmer853: he has a Mesa card, though i don't remember the model
12:21 PM c101horse8332[m]: Aight works now
12:21 PM c101horse8332[m]: The problem was between the seat and the steeringwheel
12:22 PM travis_farmer853: lol 😉
12:54 PM cGFudHMh8356[m]: anyone happen to be in memphis?
01:02 PM JT-Shop2: Poplar Bluff here
01:07 PM unterhausen: I thought tomL lives in memphis
01:08 PM JT-Shop2: Kansas City
01:10 PM unterhausen: well,that wasn't even close
01:15 PM unterhausen: drywall compound in the shop hasn't dried after a day and a half, should have used quickset
01:15 PM unterhausen: must be more humid down there than I think
01:16 PM JT-Shop2: dehumidifier?
01:31 PM unterhausen: we have a dehumidifier, but it's on the opposite side of the basement
01:37 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:49 PM Tom_itx: Not Memphis or KC
01:50 PM JT-Shop2: closer to kc than memphis
01:50 PM * JT-Shop2 forgets but that's not unusual any more
01:51 PM Tom_itx: Coming back from KC right now
01:51 PM Tom_itx: Wichita
01:53 PM JT-Shop2: got the state right half way
01:53 PM Tom_itx: :)
01:54 PM JT-Shop2: I've been to Nevada before
01:57 PM Tom_itx: Supposed to go to Arizona but I dunno if that will happen
02:05 PM JT-Shop2: why's that?
02:13 PM t4nk_freenode: outstanding warrants, most likely
02:14 PM XXCoder: dont do crime if youre not willing to do time
02:14 PM t4nk_freenode: stepper-theft
02:28 PM roycroft: i have one of my carcases assembled
02:29 PM roycroft: and heaps of extra work :(
02:29 PM roycroft: that crappy edge banding that i used chipped out badly, even though i tried climb cutting
02:29 PM roycroft: which took at least twice as long as conventional cutting
02:35 PM Alicrow-phone: Does anyone have a recommendation for where to get a good MPG/pendant?
02:37 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: works great
02:37 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: I have this one: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B089SWK7BF
02:41 PM roycroft: i think most pendants can be made to work with linuxcnc
02:41 PM roycroft: i would avoid a wireless one
02:41 PM roycroft: for what to me are obvious reasons
02:42 PM roycroft: the imach pendants seem to be fairly popular, so if you think you might benefit from some community support while configuring yours, you might look at those
02:42 PM roycroft: http://vistacnc.com
02:42 PM roycroft: that should give you an overview of the options
02:43 PM XXCoder: I like first one
02:43 PM XXCoder: simple
02:43 PM roycroft: it all depends on what you want to do with it
02:43 PM XXCoder: imach one isnt bad either )p1a-s_
02:43 PM XXCoder: (p1a-s)
02:44 PM roycroft: to me, that one is the most interesting
02:45 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Wired is fine for a smaller machine but the wireless pendant is really nice when you need to move around the machine for setup.
02:45 PM roycroft: lunch break is over, so i should go assemble another carcase
02:45 PM roycroft: unless it stops working because of interference or a dead battery
02:46 PM roycroft: which during setup may not be that bad
02:46 PM roycroft: but when running a job could be disasterous
02:46 PM roycroft: i personally am happy to sacrifice a bit of convenience for reliability
02:47 PM roycroft: but different strokes for different folks
02:47 PM roycroft: thank goodness for options!
02:50 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: Never had issue with interference even when welding around the machine. In only really use it for setup as I have hard controls for adjustments during program run. The battery lasts for weeks of continuous use but dead batteries are an issue to watch for. It would be nice if there was an inductive charging model.
02:51 PM ZincBoy[CAON]066: I have the iMach P1A one on my lathe and it works fine as well.
03:01 PM travis_farmer853: i have a wired USB pendant, one of the XHC, or whatever ones. i use a USB over CAT5 extender to bring the USB port right to the machine, and the USB cable is plenty long for my 48" X 48" machine
03:02 PM travis_farmer853: s/XHC/WHB/
03:06 PM JT-Shop2: hmm we might get some heavy thunderstorms in a few hours
03:07 PM travis_farmer853: do you have battery backups?
03:08 PM c101horse8332[m]: my mdi stopped working, i cant send it back to its home point via there, could there be something im doing wrong? doing g53 z0 x0 y0 worked before
03:08 PM travis_farmer853: are you still using qtdragon?
03:09 PM c101horse8332[m]: yes
03:09 PM travis_farmer853: is it in auto, manual, or MDI mode?
03:09 PM c101horse8332[m]: mdi
03:10 PM c101horse8332[m]: or manual, doesnt make a difference
03:10 PM travis_farmer853: is the machine homed? ( i think it has to be)
03:11 PM c101horse8332[m]: yes, i just finished machining
03:12 PM travis_farmer853: 🤔
03:12 PM XXCoder: if you powered off and on, it lost home but then I wasnt really followung
03:13 PM XXCoder: and yeah supposing its homed, g53 x0y0z0 should work
03:13 PM XXCoder: umm forgot if its linuxcnc also or only certain machines, but try g53 x0. y0. z0.
03:13 PM XXCoder: (adding periods)
03:14 PM XXCoder: look if your machine is still in some certain mode, like drill mode, etc
03:19 PM JT-Shop2: period is not needed with LinuxCNC
03:19 PM JT-Shop2: it is on my DX32!
03:34 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, the inlaws are in Arizona for a 6mo trial with his company to see if he want's to move there from Ga and i'm not sure we'd have a chance to get there by then
03:44 PM JT-Shop2: ah
03:44 PM JT-Shop2: outstanding warrants sounded better LOL
03:45 PM t4nk_freenode: hehe, yeah, I just knew it had to have something to do with trials
03:45 PM Tom_L: hah
03:46 PM Tom_L: was raining pretty hard in KC earlier
03:51 PM JT-Shop2: https://radar.weather.gov/?settings=v1_eyJhZ2VuZGEiOnsiaWQiOiJsb2NhbCIsImNlbnRlciI6Wy05MC4yMjIsMzYuNzYxXSwibG9jYXRpb24iOm51bGwsInpvb20iOjksImZpbHRlciI6IldTUi04OEQiLCJsYXllciI6ImJyZWZfcmF3Iiwic3RhdGlvbiI6IktQQUgifSwiYW5pbWF0aW5nIjpmYWxzZSwiYmFzZSI6InN0YW5kYXJkIiwiYXJ0Y2MiOmZhbHNlLCJjb3VudHkiOmZhbHNlLCJjd2EiOmZhbHNlLCJyZmMiOmZhbHNlLCJzdGF0ZSI6ZmFsc2UsIm1lbnUiOnRydWUsInNob3J0RnVzZWRPbmx5Ijp0cnVlLCJvcGFjaXR5Ijp7ImFsZXJ0cyI6MC44LCJsb2NhbCI6MC42LCJsb2NhbFN0YXRp
03:51 PM JT-Shop2: b25zIjowLjgsIm5hdGlvbmFsIjowLjZ9fQ%3D%3D#/
03:51 PM JT-Shop2: we are fixing to get it
03:55 PM Tom_L: doesn't look like it rained here
03:56 PM travis_farmer853: raining here...
03:59 PM * JT-Shop2 just swept up 10 gallons of saw dust from the chop saws... I need to make an enclosure to capture most of the saw dust and put in a bucket
04:13 PM roycroft: it just sprinkled lightly here
04:14 PM roycroft: there was no rain in the forecast, but there is heavy cloud cover today
04:14 PM roycroft: fortunately i had the parts that i was storing outside covered, just in case
04:14 PM XXCoder: regular but not stopping rain here
04:15 PM roycroft: and i'm dealing with the curse of a small shop today
04:15 PM XXCoder: typical washingtonian everrain
04:15 PM roycroft: i could get all five carcases assembled, but i have to paint the backs and repair the chipped edge banding
04:15 PM roycroft: because of that, i can only do two at a time, paint them, let them dry, install them, then do two more
04:16 PM roycroft: so it looks like tomorrow to install the first two and assemble the second two
04:16 PM roycroft: and tuesday to assemble the last one
04:16 PM roycroft: oh well
04:16 PM roycroft: i'm making progress
04:16 PM roycroft: it's going to be the same deal with the drawers
04:16 PM roycroft: i'm hoping i can make the space to assemble and finish 8 drawers at a time
04:18 PM JT-Shop2: got any progress photos?
04:19 PM roycroft: not from today
04:19 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/New_Cabinets/
04:19 PM roycroft: there are some from yesterday there
04:20 PM roycroft: the paper-thin, ultra-brittle edge banding has really been pissing me off
04:20 PM roycroft: the only saving grace is that none of it will show
04:20 PM JT-Shop2: what are the shiny things in the base?
04:20 PM roycroft: the ash edge banding, which will show, is working out great
04:20 PM roycroft: leveling feet
04:21 PM JT-Shop2: nice
04:21 PM JT-Shop2: oh I see the part of one on the front
04:21 PM roycroft: i think i paid $20 for all 8 of them
04:21 PM roycroft: so not too expensive
04:21 PM roycroft: and better than just setting it on the floor or using shims
04:21 PM JT-Shop2: yep
04:22 PM roycroft: i was thinking about using the plastic leveling feet that are used for kitchen cabinets, but there's going to be so much weight in these that i wanted something sturdier
04:22 PM JT-Shop2: looking good so far
04:22 PM roycroft: from a distance :)
04:22 PM JT-Shop2: I just glued up my egg drawer
04:22 PM roycroft: but like i said, the parts that are kind of mangled up are not going to show
04:22 PM JT-Shop2: yeah I'm pretty far from you :)
04:23 PM roycroft: the only reason for the edge banding on the back is to seal the melamine
04:23 PM JT-Shop2: makes sense
04:23 PM roycroft: i'm filling in the chips with ca glue, and the back panels are only skinned on one side, so i have to paint them anyway
04:23 PM * JT-Shop2 used to have to do his work in a closet in an apartment
04:24 PM roycroft: i'm going to get some melamine paint and do the entire back of each cabinet, including the edge banding, with that tape
04:24 PM roycroft: i can do a lot of work in a small space
04:24 PM roycroft: but this is pushing beyond the limits
04:24 PM roycroft: when i was building cabinets for a living back in the '80s i had a shop that was about 5x as big as my current one
04:25 PM roycroft: plenty of room to move around
04:25 PM roycroft: my table saw had an 8' outfeed table and 8' on the right side of the blade
04:26 PM roycroft: i had no need for a track saw then, which is good, because they did not exist in this country then
04:26 PM roycroft: i could handle sheet goods on the table saw just fine
04:26 PM JT-Shop2: they pushed back the 15HH to the 25th
04:26 PM roycroft: bummer
04:26 PM roycroft: i hope you still have your old one
04:27 PM JT-Shop2: I had to grind 0.025" of the adjustment block on the drum sander in order to level the belt
04:27 PM JT-Shop2: yep, it goes on cl the day I push the start button on the 15HH
04:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: after not running Winderz for a while it feels really slow compared to Linux, I just wish more CAD and design utils were available for it
04:29 PM JT-Shop2: I wanted to run my python program to view my ip cameras on a windblows pc but gave up pretty fast
04:29 PM * JT-Shop2 listens to Wynn Stewart
04:30 PM roycroft: did you get a chance to listen to that steve winwood and tito puente show yet?
04:30 PM JT-Shop2: yep, pretty cool
04:30 PM JT-Shop2: quite different
04:30 PM roycroft: they sound good together
04:31 PM roycroft: stanley clarke is coming to town soon
04:31 PM JT-Shop2: sounds like the rain stopped, time to make some chicken crack and get a glass of vino
04:31 PM roycroft: i may go see him - i have not seen him perform since 1973
04:31 PM roycroft: when he was with return to forever
04:32 PM * roycroft will be heading out to get some melamine paint presently
04:33 PM JT-Shop2: see you later
04:45 PM _unreal_: so I finished designing an other one of my DIY HDPE nuts
04:46 PM _unreal_: its a 4 stage held together with 3mm threaded rod and a nut at each end. times 4
04:46 PM _unreal_: and 4 1/4-20 screws one per section
04:46 PM _unreal_: that way I can just use the CNC to buzz it out make a few just to have spairs
04:47 PM _unreal_: then its nothing more then sticking it together and running a tap down it
04:49 PM _unreal_: the threaded rod never wears, the HDPE is good for hundreds of hours of heavy use. And replacing is no more complicated then moving the z to a set height. where there are 4 holes in the main X/Z carriage plate. for access to those screws.
04:49 PM _unreal_: putting a replacement in should be.... like a 5-10min job
04:55 PM t4nk_freenode: (more than.)
05:12 PM * CloudEvil ponders brush-like nuts.
05:13 PM CloudEvil: Take a plurality of HDPE rods of diameter under the thread which it runs on, and fit them with springs so that they simply are pushed in, as a wear surface.
05:26 PM * JT-Shop is tired and wanders inside... might be an early night
06:44 PM roycroft: why do we still have frankenstein hardware?
06:44 PM roycroft: i just went to level my cabinet base
06:45 PM roycroft: the levelling legs have socket heads for height adjustment, and lock nuts
06:45 PM roycroft: the socket heads take a 5/16" allen wrench
06:45 PM roycroft: the lock nuts take an m13 open end wrench
06:46 PM roycroft: i did not measure the thread itself
06:46 PM roycroft: i don't care :)
06:46 PM roycroft: and no, an m5 allen wrench does not work, and a 1/2" or 9/16" open end wrench does not work
06:47 PM roycroft: er, it's 3/16" allen wrench, not 5/16"
06:49 PM roycroft: the melamine paint dries really fast, so there's a slight chance i can get one or two more carcases assembled tonight
06:50 PM roycroft: i can almost install the first two now
08:46 PM roycroft: groovy
08:46 PM roycroft: i got the first two carcases installed and a third assembled - it will be fully filled/painted tonight
08:46 PM roycroft: so i may be able to get the last two done tomorrow
08:50 PM CloudEvil: :)
08:50 PM roycroft: all the drawers are a completely different thing, and i know they're going to take a long time
08:51 PM roycroft: but when i moved my old tool storage cabinet, i lost the top surface where i stored a lot of things like my hand planes, adhesives, and, most importantly, shop stereo
08:51 PM roycroft: as soon as i get the carcases installed i can at least move all that stuff back into the shop
08:52 PM roycroft: and i'll be back to where i was before i started this project
08:52 PM roycroft: after that, every drawer that gets installed is another step forward
10:26 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/New_Cabinets/06_First_Installed_Carcases.jpeg
10:26 PM XXCoder: nice
10:26 PM XXCoder: plan to do any water resistance stuff?
10:26 PM roycroft: i don't need to do much there
10:27 PM roycroft: i painted the backs and wherever the melamine substrate is exposed
10:27 PM roycroft: and the ash edge banding i'll coat with some tried and true varnish oil
10:28 PM roycroft: those measures will be plenty - it's not a wet environment
10:28 PM XXCoder: im kinda tempted to buy sonoff accessories
10:28 PM XXCoder: smart switch for example. set it to turn on light at 9 am or something
10:29 PM XXCoder: true
10:45 PM XXCoder: roycroft: https://itead.cc/smart-home/
11:23 PM XXCoder: lunar eclipse happening if can see it
11:24 PM roycroft: yeah, i know it's about time for that
11:24 PM roycroft: it's just getting dark here
11:25 PM XXCoder: here its rain and clouds
11:25 PM roycroft: the sky is clear though
11:25 PM XXCoder: not for me lol
11:26 PM XXCoder: I still find it funny that lunar eclipses is rarer than solar
11:26 PM XXCoder: but half of earth can see it at same time, compare that with solar
11:28 PM roycroft: we're at maximum eclipse right now but it's still pretty light outside
11:28 PM * roycroft goes out to see if he can actually see it
11:31 PM roycroft: yeah, not at all
11:31 PM roycroft: the moon is still just above the horizon, and it's still twilight
11:31 PM roycroft: maybe in a half hour i'll be able to see part of it
11:34 PM roycroft: totality ends at 9:53 my time
11:36 PM roycroft: i have seen quite a few lunar eclipses, so i won't be upset if i can't see this one
11:40 PM XXCoder: same