#linuxcnc Logs

May 11 2022

01:05 AM randy: morning
01:31 AM Deejay: moin
04:09 AM mrec: sliptonicBradCol: what does your part look like?
04:47 AM Tom_L: morning
05:10 AM JT-Cave: morning
08:09 AM c101horse8332[m]: Quick question, the hell are all these bots doing here?
08:18 AM unterhausen: which bots exactly? The ones with more numbers than letters in their name?
08:29 AM Tom_L: they're here from the dark side
08:30 AM Tom_L: only one i'm actually aware of
09:12 AM FranseFrikandel1: It's the bridge from matrix 😛
09:29 AM roycroft: is that a bridge to nowhwere, a bridge from nowhere, or just a bridge too far?
10:23 AM pcw-home: JT-Cave: 7I96S manual and firmware available now (just the store link for now)
10:45 AM sliptonicBradCol: @mrec I have several parts. I can provide drawings for all. Something like this is typical. About an inch in diameter. Aluminum.
10:45 AM * sliptonicBradCol uploaded an image: (25KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/xbSJqVqKYsQgcEnsHSAnYlbC/2022-05-11_10-28.png >
10:49 AM sliptonicBradCol: (hole is drilled and tapped for a set screw, BTW)
12:38 PM jepler1088[m]: https://hackaday.com/2022/05/11/animate-your-robot-in-blender/
12:38 PM jepler1088[m]: .. redo vismach but by being a blender plugin .. ?
01:08 PM silopolis[m]: <jepler1088[m]> ".. redo vismach but by being a..." <- FreeCAD Workbench pleeease 🙏🙏🙏
02:24 PM coralgoat: Is there a specific kind of ethernet cable that should be used with <https://mesaus.com/product/7i92m/>?
02:25 PM coralgoat: I am asking because I was told there is a specific kind of db25 cable to use with <https://mesaus.com/product/6i25/>.
02:27 PM coralgoat: I am going to guess based on seeing no ethernet cable on here <https://mesaus.com/product-category/cables/> that the answer is no.
02:27 PM silopolis[m]: Someone to tell me why the forum refuses my SVG files with the "Image MIME type (%s) is not allowed (%s)." error message ?
02:30 PM coralgoat: So I would go with a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable> cable.
02:43 PM roycroft: i would use a cat6 cable, as short as is practical, and avoid routing it near other cables that carry ac current
03:28 PM JT-Shop: I have a box of shielded cat 6 cable
03:30 PM coralgoat: JT-Shop, are you selling those shielded cat 6 cables on mesaus.com?
03:36 PM JT-Shop: no, it's just a box of wire, but I could make you one I suppose
03:37 PM JT-Shop2: wow it's tested to 350MHz
04:16 PM * JT-Shop2 is getting the hang of sharpening chisels... and now has two insanely sharp chisels
04:22 PM XXCoder: jt thats awesome
04:24 PM JT-Shop: nice chips logo!
04:28 PM XXCoder: thanks, though we found orginial so I am combining better orginal body, with my design of goggles, eyes and endmill
04:29 PM XXCoder: there was comments on how hard endmill is to see when small size so im adding border and brightening it a bit later
04:29 PM Bear-100: I am back in the work shop testing a parallel port card.
04:29 PM Bear-100: When I run `sudo lspci -vvv` the parallel port card that I am testing does not have any information for:
04:30 PM Bear-100: Kernel drivers in use:
04:30 PM Bear-100: Kernel modules:
04:30 PM Bear-100: Does that mean that this parallel port card will not work.
04:30 PM Bear-100: ?
04:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bear-100: oh great, which card is this?
04:35 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] lspci says MSC9900.
04:35 PM Bear-100: MosChip Semiconductor Technology limited
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pastebin the lspci output
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you can post just the relevant section or the whole thing but on pastebin, not in the channel
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no floods
04:37 PM * Bear-100 transferring information by USB from offline Linuxcnc machine.
04:37 PM XXCoder: or dpaste.com pastebin had some certs issues last time someone tried to use it yeserday
04:39 PM * CaptHindsight[m] is doing a linux install so not always at keyboard
04:40 PM Bear-100: typo tht was suposed to me a me command
04:40 PM Bear-100: me -> be
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://dpaste.org/7KHLo my output with that card
04:43 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] https://dpaste.com/7ZJUJTGYX
04:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://dpaste.org/atjbg -vn
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: OK it's there
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bear-100: do a lspci -vn and post the last two lines here
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mine says: Kernel driver in use: parport_pc
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Kernel modules: parport_pc
04:47 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] last two lines with -vn
04:47 PM Bear-100: Capabilities: [100] Virtual channel
04:48 PM Bear-100: Capabilities: [800] Advanced Error Reporting
04:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: which kernel is this? use uname -a
04:49 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] there is no " Kernel driver in use:" or "Kernel modules:".
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok, why I want to know which kernel you are using
04:52 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] Linux debian 4.19.0-17-rt-amd64 (pound sign)1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.194-2 (2021-06-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:52 PM Bear-100: The one from http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/linuxcnc-2.8.2-buster.iso
04:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bear-100: did you type lspci -vn ?
04:55 PM Bear-100: Yes I did.
04:55 PM Bear-100: there is no " Kernel driver in use:" or "Kernel modules:".
04:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: try lspci -vvnn
04:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wierd
04:55 PM Bear-100: Still no " Kernel driver in use:" or "Kernel modules:".
04:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: plus you are spewing much more than what lspci -vn should post
04:56 PM Bear-100: with -vvnn
04:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: my concern first is why you are getting different output than me
04:56 PM Bear-100: That was with -vvv what I put in the paste bin.
04:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: lspci -vvnn https://dpaste.org/wfsZN
04:59 PM Bear-100: I was using sudo because without it it says access denied for capabilities
05:00 PM Bear-100: I will paste bin the output of lspci -vvnn without sudo.
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I want to see the PCI vendor and the device id
05:01 PM Bear-100: What are those in your paste?
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: vendor id should be 9710
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have the lspic strings in each paste
05:02 PM Bear-100: In the same spot mine says 9710
05:03 PM Bear-100: Mine says [9710:9900]
05:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is the device ID ?
05:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah
05:08 PM Bear-100: Is this parallel port card not going to work with Linuxcnc?
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: don't know yet
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hold on
05:10 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, you should do a whole series of chips. some with lathe tools, some with threadmills, some with flycutters.....
05:10 PM Tom_L: one lasering his foot off...
05:11 PM Tom_L: that could be the safety warning one
05:11 PM XXCoder: lol
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bear-100: please copy and paste the WHOLE lspci -vvnn to dpaste
05:11 PM Bear-100: Okay on sec
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: your other past was cut off
05:12 PM Tom_L: mebbe he's hiding his past
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so please just to be safe paste the whole thing
05:14 PM Bear-100: https://dpaste.com/4B63U8VU5
05:14 PM Bear-100: it ends with access denied
05:14 PM Bear-100: that is for lspci -vvnn
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sudo lspci -vvnn
05:21 PM Bear-100: sudo lspci -vvnn
05:21 PM Bear-100: https://dpaste.com/GKXBW9R4E
05:22 PM Bear-100: ends with CHkEn-
05:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: please post the whole thing
05:26 PM JT-Shop2: chicken?
05:29 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] here is all of the output of sudo lspci -vvnn
05:29 PM Bear-100: https://dpaste.com/5RAAJLNHG
05:30 PM Bear-100: Sorry about that.
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Region 0: I/O ports at e010 [size=8]
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Region 1: I/O ports at e000 [size=8]
05:31 PM Bear-100: Yes I see those.
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
05:31 PM Bear-100: I will try it with both addresses.
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, try that
05:32 PM JT-Shop2: Bear-100: you can use my parallel port tester to check with
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's likely the second one, but try both
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he is
05:33 PM Bear-100: I will use a jumper cable directely on the parallel port to eliminate any issue with the parallel port cable.
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: cool
05:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: loadrt hal_parport cfg="0xe010 out" for example in that hal file
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: loadrt hal_parport cfg="0xe000 out" 2nd example in that hal file
05:35 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] thanks
05:35 PM * Bear-100 testing parallel port.
05:36 PM JT-Shop2: someone find me a brass #14-20 round head screw...
05:37 PM * CaptHindsight[m] installs Fedora 35 Sunday to test, Tuesday Fedora 36 is launched ...... thanks
05:40 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, https://www.lowes.ca/product/machine-screws/hillman-14-20-brass-plated-pan-head-slotted-standard-sae-machine-screws-139182
05:40 PM Tom_L: oops.. plated
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: they say they have brass but they can't find them lol
05:42 PM Tom_L: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-Hawk-14-20-Slotted-Drive-Machine-Screws-2-Count/4686775
05:42 PM Bear-100: Using a male to male jumper wire I connected each ground pin to pin 1 but the color in the gui stays red for pin 1.
05:42 PM JT-Shop2: that's the one I looked for Monday
05:42 PM Tom_L: mmm
05:42 PM JT-Shop2: O
05:43 PM JT-Shop2: I'll check Cape lowes monday when I take momma to the doctor
05:43 PM Tom_L: Material
05:43 PM Tom_L: Brass
05:43 PM Tom_L: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-Hawk-14-20-Slotted-Drive-Machine-Screws-2-Count/4686783
05:44 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-Hawk-14-20-Slotted-Drive-Machine-Screws-2-Count/4686783
05:44 PM JT-Shop2: cape shows where they should be :)
05:44 PM Tom_L: that other brand is plated
05:44 PM Tom_L: blue hawk seems to be the real thing
05:45 PM Tom_L: hillman
05:45 PM Tom_L: fake :)
05:45 PM JT-Shop2: I'm on a mission to complete the restoring of the 100 year old Stanley #5 plane
05:45 PM Tom_L: i figured something like that
05:45 PM XXCoder: your own plane, or hired to?
05:45 PM JT-Shop2: #14 is 0.220"
05:45 PM JT-Shop2: mine
05:45 PM XXCoder: nice
05:46 PM JT-Shop2: now that I can sharpen plane blades to crazy sharp they are nice to use
05:46 PM Bear-100: Tried a paper clip in pin 1 with one lead of the multimeter to the paper clip and the other lead of the multimeter to the computers case (ground). When I push the button on the tester for pin 1 there in no change in the voltage reading.
05:47 PM Bear-100: Am I using the testing program wrong?
05:47 PM JT-Shop2: found some new handles for that plane, cleaned and painted so it looks nice with polished brass screws
05:47 PM Bear-100: I will try the other address.
05:49 PM JT-Shop2: try an input, might be easier to do with only two hands
05:52 PM Bear-100: With the other address I tested with the multimeter touching paperclip in pin1 and other lead on the case. Then clicked on all the output buttons no change in voltage.
05:52 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2: hey, how ya sharpening the plane blades?
05:53 PM roguish[m]: stones?
05:53 PM Tom_L: diamonds
05:53 PM roguish[m]: jig, fixture? free hand?
05:54 PM Bear-100: JT-Shop2 I tried connecting a ground pin to pin 11 busy which was red with a male to male jumper wire and it stayed red.
05:54 PM JT-Shop2: Japanese water stones 800-8000 grit then leather polish
05:54 PM * Tom_L bets they shine
05:54 PM roguish[m]: ah, nice.
05:55 PM Bear-100: What else should I try. I am starting to think that this parallel port is not going to work.
05:55 PM Tom_L: i finally found my pp c test file
05:55 PM Bear-100: parallel port card
05:55 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2: check this https://hidatool.com/
05:55 PM JT-Shop2: http://www.veritastools.com/products/Page.aspx?p=144
05:55 PM roguish[m]: a very neat place
05:56 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], is it gonna cost me money if i click?
05:56 PM roguish[m]: it's in Berkeley.
05:56 PM JT-Shop2: I do the back then put the bevel in the veritas
05:56 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: could.........
05:57 PM Tom_L: been wanting to machine some brass but not sure what to make. it just looks so nice when it's machined....
05:57 PM Tom_L: at least for a bit
05:57 PM XXCoder: 2 way bolt and 2 nuts to match? ;)
05:58 PM XXCoder: not easy to do
05:58 PM JT-Shop2: I just got one of these https://www.lie-nielsen.com/products/tapered-saws-tapered-dovetail-saw-?path=dovetail-saws&node=4145
05:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Cube/Cube_small.jpg
05:58 PM JT-Shop2: very nice cut for sure
05:59 PM XXCoder: nice but wayy too expensive for me lol
05:59 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, looks too nice to use
05:59 PM XXCoder: 1512 usd for a planer ow
05:59 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, have you priced "good" micrometers?
06:00 PM XXCoder: yeah I have em
06:00 PM Tom_L: no, better than those
06:00 PM XXCoder: $200 and $100,
06:00 PM Tom_L: i have the same mitsu you do i think
06:00 PM Tom_L: add another zero
06:00 PM XXCoder: is that for meter long one?
06:01 PM XXCoder: damn misread
06:01 PM XXCoder: yeah I dont know of any 2k mic
06:01 PM JT-Shop2: Powermatic is supposed to ship my 15HH the 20th https://powermatic.com/1791213
06:02 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2did you win the mega power ball lotto ??????
06:03 PM XXCoder: I have mityoyto mic, digital, it cost $230 something?
06:03 PM roguish[m]: guess ya can't take it with ya.
06:03 PM Tom_L: he's collecting SS now :)
06:03 PM Tom_L: or spending it...
06:03 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: where is there 2000 mic?
06:03 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: don't be knocking SS.
06:03 PM roguish[m]: it's all good
06:03 PM Tom_L: o
06:03 PM Tom_L: i'm not.. i'm not that far from it
06:03 PM XXCoder: im imanaging very large mic or sets 1"-3' sets
06:04 PM roguish[m]: i'm in about 2 months now..........
06:04 PM XXCoder: im on da version of ss. again. it sucks
06:05 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, i can't find them now i forgot what i searched for before but it may have been a set
06:05 PM JT-Shop2: crap they moved it out to the 25th now
06:05 PM roguish[m]: 'da' ????
06:05 PM XXCoder: set would make sense
06:05 PM XXCoder: roguish[m]: disability
06:05 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: lets just say I'm not saving any for the kids... if there is some when I die they can have it
06:05 PM roguish[m]: ooooooooooo. ok
06:06 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, measures sub micron levels
06:06 PM XXCoder: crazy. my best mic can handle down to only .0001"
06:06 PM JT-Shop2: I've used crap tools all my life and now is the time to use good tools
06:06 PM roguish[m]: the flow of money makes the world go round........ sure as shit, don't leave it to the gov't
06:08 PM roguish[m]: and like Rev. Ike said, 'The lack of money is the root of all evil.'
06:08 PM XXCoder: dunno what to do with my tools lol I dont know if I will ever work as cnc machinist again
06:08 PM roguish[m]: a late night preacher in the 70's
06:09 PM JT-Shop2: must have not been on my channels
06:09 PM Tom_L: https://shop.mitutoyo.eu/web/mitutoyo/en/mitutoyo/01.02.01.001/Digital%20Micrometer%20QuantuMike%20IP65/$catalogue/mitutoyoData/PR/293-140-30/index.xhtml
06:09 PM roguish[m]: LA
06:09 PM Tom_L: that might be the series XXCoder
06:10 PM Tom_L: did you stay up late watching tammy fae?
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bear-100: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_port use the ground pins not the shield
06:11 PM XXCoder: more fancy than mine, though bit lesser dust resistance (ip67 on mine, that ones ip65)
06:11 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2: https://face2faceafrica.com/article/reverend-ike-the-popular-black-televangelist-of-the-1970s-who-worshipped-wealth
06:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bear-100: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html
06:12 PM roguish[m]: haven't really thought of him for years......
06:12 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] I did both ground pins and case for both addresses nothing seems to be working.
06:12 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, maximum permissible error: ±1 µm
06:13 PM XXCoder: .000039"
06:13 PM Tom_L: ±.00002"
06:14 PM roguish[m]: frick, it's 4. rum and tonic time on the deck...........
06:14 PM XXCoder: .000039" is near 1 um (too lazy hunt down proper u)
06:14 PM Tom_L: https://www.msi-viking.com/Mitutoyo-293-130-10-MDH-High-accuracy-Sub-Micron-Micrometer-0-1-inch
06:14 PM Tom_L: i knew i could find it
06:15 PM XXCoder: 1.6k dang fancy one
06:15 PM XXCoder: I'd always close it in case when not in use
06:15 PM Tom_L: just don't use it near a welder.. he'd use it for a clamp
06:15 PM XXCoder: hell, id not bring it anywhere any welder
06:16 PM XXCoder: "Body heat transferred to the instrument is reduced by a removable heat shield, minimizing the error caused by thermal expansion of the frame when performing handheld measurements. "
06:16 PM Tom_L: that's without the calibration certificate
06:16 PM Tom_L: that would add some more $$$
06:16 PM XXCoder: "contact me with quote"
06:17 PM XXCoder: honestly id use that ONLY for qa room
06:17 PM * JT-Shop2 does his best Roy Underhill impression... in red
06:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: have to be temp controlled or you can watch the reading change by warming it in your hands
06:17 PM Tom_L: didn't want you to think i was full of BS
06:18 PM JT-Shop2: it has a heat shield
06:18 PM XXCoder: tom didnt think you was, just had hard time thinking why it would be so expensive
06:19 PM XXCoder: though olvious to me now. move dot to left on precision, move dot to right on price
06:19 PM Tom_L: the girls in qc had to spend some extra time on em
06:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh .1 micron
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah 100nm is going to be expensive so really not that bad at $1600
06:20 PM XXCoder: the caliper I used was I think, 10k. it was longer than meter long
06:20 PM XXCoder: man did I handle that VERY carefull
06:20 PM XXCoder: not even tiny distance drop
06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/2017/05/09/doe-scale-of-things-18-jan-05.pdf
06:21 PM XXCoder: in least, nthey said it was 10k, I see prices of 4k roughly
06:23 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] thanks for sharing http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html
06:23 PM Bear-100: Was there something in particular you thought I should try based on that link?
06:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just making sure that you have a good pinout
06:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I don't see why your LPT doesn't work
06:25 PM XXCoder: tom I cant find one I used
06:25 PM JT-Shop2: Bear-100: some pci parallel port cards don't work... Jon Elson finds even the one that worked last time may not work this time
06:25 PM XXCoder: too tired and headachy to search well
06:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you can check if you are on the correct pins by identifying that string of Ground pins all one after the other
06:26 PM XXCoder: I recall it was over 3 feet long. 4 maybe?
06:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bear-100: 19 - 25 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Parallel_port_pinouts.svg/350px-Parallel_port_pinouts.svg.png
06:27 PM JT-Shop2: so there really is a Bearden near Knoxville
06:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop2: he got the best card
06:27 PM JT-Shop2: good
06:27 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] okay
06:28 PM * JT-Shop2 wanders inside for the night
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: easy to get the pins wrong
06:28 PM Bear-100: So I could just buy from JT-Shop2
06:28 PM Tom_L: why of course!
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all those ground pins should read 0 ohms between each other
06:28 PM Bear-100: Do they have a website?
06:29 PM Bear-100: CaptHindsight[m] I will check the resistance of the ground pins.
06:29 PM Tom_L: what was said about parallel cables is the cheap ones don't bring all the wires to the pins
06:29 PM Tom_L: so they may not work for that reason
06:29 PM XXCoder: yeah. though not sure would seek for correct cables
06:30 PM XXCoder: printer cables dont use all pins I think so those tend to be missing wires
06:30 PM XXCoder: could be wrong
06:33 PM * CaptHindsight[m] heading out the work with AC's
07:07 PM roycroft: i'm the one who said that
07:07 PM roycroft: and yes, the reason is that parallel printers did not/do not use all the pins, so the less expensive cables only wire the pins that are used for the printer
07:08 PM roycroft: a db25 connector is not a parallel printer connector - it's a db25 connector
07:08 PM XXCoder: roy thanks for confirming
07:08 PM roycroft: it was also traditionally used for rs-232 ports, among other things
07:08 PM roycroft: and rs-232 often uses fewer pins that a parallel printer
07:08 PM roycroft: and often more
07:08 PM Tom_L: and opposite gender connectors
07:09 PM roycroft: when well behaved :)
07:09 PM Tom_L: then along came scsi
07:09 PM * roycroft forgot how much work edge banding is
07:10 PM roycroft: i did remember that my edge banding machine is really fiddly, and slower than ironing the banding on by hand
07:10 PM roycroft: so i switched to hand ironing early on in the process
07:12 PM XXCoder: ah theres vector for endmill only. nice. I do have endmill only svg file also
07:13 PM Tom_L: just put it in with the rest of the laundry
07:14 PM * roycroft heads off to meet friends for dinner
07:34 PM _unreal_: My Z setup is really starting to come together in my cad
07:34 PM _unreal_: I've come up with a final solution and am now cad/building on it
08:49 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
11:18 PM * xxcoder8265[m] uploaded an image: (161KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/BTcolkcInOQKqsWDYgHiswTg/unknown.png >
11:18 PM xxcoder8265[m]: fun isnt it
11:18 PM xxcoder8265[m]: just trying to figure good safety goggles