#linuxcnc Logs

May 06 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:02 AM * roycroft is back
12:11 AM roycroft: it was a pleasant, uneventful trip
12:11 AM roycroft: this was the first time i drove up the mckenzie river highway since the big fire a couple summers ago
12:11 AM XXCoder: welcome back
12:11 AM roycroft: i knew how much damage there was, but it doesn't really sink in until you do the drive
12:11 AM roycroft: the fire burned all the way down to the river
12:11 AM roycroft: for tens of miles
01:43 AM Guest25: Hello
01:43 AM Guest25: I do not receive an email to be able to reset my password. Who can I contact?
02:42 AM Tarehjerne1563[m: Hello I have a mesa 7i95 board i’d like to configure somehow. How is this done? I installed linuxcnc yesterday so im really very new to this
02:49 AM xxcoder8265[m]: there should be some sort of configurator program yeah but unfortunately I never used MESA myself
02:49 AM xxcoder8265[m]: eventually more knowledgeable people will be here
02:54 AM Tarehjerne1563[m: No rush on my end 😄
02:55 AM XXCoder: :D
03:14 AM Valen: pncconf is what I've used for mesa in the past
03:14 AM Valen: Don't know if it speaks ethernet though I haven't touched it much in many years now lol
03:21 AM Guest25: HEllo
03:21 AM Guest25: I do not receive an email to be able to reset my password. Who can I contact?
03:22 AM Deejay: moin
03:40 AM randy: morning
04:01 AM andypugh: Guest25: Check PM
04:14 AM Guest25: Morning any chips to day?
04:25 AM Loetmichel: *grmbl* $me goes to the coffeekitchen, starting the kettle for a coffee... "well, while it heats i can set up that telco in the conference room nearby." Half an hour later back at my desk... "hmm, i would like a coffee... did i forget something?" :)
04:25 AM mrec: 20 days delay for my spindle due to a lockdown in china :-(
04:40 AM jfsimon1981: Hi,
04:41 AM jfsimon1981: When installing a system user service with this command "systemctl --user enable prowein_gui" (file at ~/.local/share/systemd/user/prowein_gui.service) I get return "Failed to enable unit: Unit file /home/debian/.config/systemd/user/default.target.wants/prowein_gui.service does not exist."
04:42 AM jfsimon1981: It worked with LXDE installed but I switched to XFCE now it broke this service file ... Can someone please help ?
04:58 AM Tom_L: morning
04:58 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, does your config tool work on the 7i95?
05:01 AM Tom_L: Tarehjerne1563[m, possibly: https://github.com/jethornton/7i96
05:05 AM Tarehjerne1563[m: lots of stuff on the 7i96. My is basically the 7i96 with decoder ports, so it should be very much the same
05:08 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop may have a newer tool that works on more cards. i'm not sure which is which but he will be here soon
05:14 AM john__: morning
05:20 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:36 AM Tarehjerne1563[m: s/decoder/encoder/
06:37 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, the Mesa Configuration tool and the 7i95 Configuration tool will create a 7i95 configuration
10:05 AM Tarehjerne1563[m: On my configuration wizard im trying to register my board, but the 7i95 isnt there
10:06 AM Tarehjerne1563[m: can i just take 7i96 or 7i96e?
10:18 AM DaveyR0685[m]: Good morning i hope everyone is doing well. As a question has anyone tried to control a spindle from a 7i76e using the Mesa RS422 / RS485 adapter vs using a USB adapter in the computer. (I am using 2.9 of LCNC)
10:41 AM roguish[m]: ok you guys. I am totally confused. what's up with this Discord stuff? why the long, character names?
10:47 AM * roycroft strives for harmony, and does not understand discord
10:59 AM Thorhian7490[m]: There is now a discord bridge along with the matrix bridge, interconnecting with the IRC server. Harmony requires both preservation and ruin, so it will probably take some time to work out the kinks.
11:01 AM roycroft: a discord bridge is a bridge over troubled waters
11:02 AM Thorhian7490[m]: Can’t tell if you are being punny or serious lol.
11:02 AM * roycroft is all about tgif'ing today, as he's on holidays for a week after today
11:05 AM roycroft: i'm usually punny when i can be
11:05 AM Thorhian7490[m]: I honestly have never heard someone use the acronym TGIF outside of talking about the restaurant chain lol.
11:07 AM roycroft: i use it almost every friday :)
11:07 AM roycroft: and i never have used it referring to that grease pit
11:08 AM Thorhian7490[m]: XD
11:09 AM roycroft: so now that i'm going to be building my new shop cabinets finally, i've had some ideas for the tool storage drawers that will be in the top of the cabinets
11:09 AM roycroft: and i've come to the conclusion that some custom inserts are in order for that
11:09 AM roycroft: and i don't want to use that foam stuff
11:09 AM roycroft: which means i need to get back to my cnc router project asap so i can use it to make the inserts
11:12 AM Thorhian7490[m]: Nice. I’ve gotten the painting done for the sheet metal of my milling machine done and im working on the electrical cabinet at the moment. Hopefully I’ll have the flood coolant contained and the mill ready to cut next week. Really want to start making and selling stuff.
11:13 AM roycroft: nice
11:13 AM roycroft: i'm not going to be ready to sell stuff for a while yet
11:13 AM roycroft: but i'm getting closer
11:14 AM roycroft: i am pretty much done buying tools and machines
11:14 AM JT-Cave: wood rack done and filled up
11:14 AM roycroft: i have a few shop fixtures to build, so that my workflow can be more streamlined
11:14 AM roycroft: jt-cave: i built a metal storage rack last summer
11:14 AM Thorhian7490[m]: The dream is to eventually get enough money to rent or buy some property and buy a vertical Mazak machine.
11:14 AM roycroft: it was full of metal stock almost before the paint dried
11:15 AM roycroft: it's funny how shop fixtures get pushed into use like that
11:15 AM Thorhian7490[m]: What kind of fixtures are you talking about?
11:16 AM roycroft: well right now i'm going to be building some cabinets to store fasteners, my festool tools, abrasives, and hardware
11:17 AM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/CabinetAssembly.jpeg
11:17 AM roycroft: that's what i'll be working on next week
11:17 AM roycroft: then i need to design and build a drill press cabinet
11:17 AM roycroft: it will be u-shaped, so it can roll underneath the drill press table and clear the pillar
11:17 AM JT-Cave: I have metal in 4 places depending on the length, > 10' on the rack above the shelves in the garage, >2' to 10' standing up behind the VMC and CHNC a whole wall of metal, <2' under a table and sheets next to big table
11:18 AM Thorhian7490[m]: Yeah, that’s what I figured, but you mentioned fixtures.
11:18 AM roycroft: i have drills stashed all over the shop - i want them all to be in one place
11:18 AM roycroft: then the cnc router build
11:18 AM roycroft: fixtures, to me, are "shop furniture"
11:19 AM Thorhian7490[m]: Ah.
11:19 AM roycroft: most of my metal stock is <10'
11:19 AM roycroft: i usually by 10' sticks for a particular project
11:19 AM roycroft: the metal rack i built is about 6' log
11:19 AM roycroft: long
11:20 AM roycroft: unfortuantely it lives outdoors - i have no room inside the shop to store longish metal stock
11:20 AM roycroft: so unless it's stainless steel or aluminium, i get to derust anything i grab from stock before i can use it
11:20 AM roycroft: i do keep shorts inside my fabrication shop
11:21 AM roycroft: and all my brass, and, of course, tool steel
11:22 AM JT-Cave: I was a bit surprised at how easy the rack was to assemble
11:23 AM Thorhian7490[m]: The garage I have right now can hold pretty long pieces. We already store a lot of wood lol. Still room for long stock and my tiny 4x6” bandsaw.
11:23 AM roycroft: while i'm a fan of festool, i never got too interested in their routers
11:23 AM JT-Cave: and I'm quite happy with the space it freed up
11:24 AM roycroft: my porter-cable routers that i bought in the '80s, back when they were still good (before the brand was sold to black and decker), work great
11:24 AM roycroft: the only advantage of the festool ones would be extraction, but i've not been willing to spend the money for that
11:24 AM roycroft: but i just picked up this festool trim router, and it is absolutely brilliant
11:25 AM roycroft: if any of you do any cabinet work where you're applying edge banding or solid wood edging, get the festool mfk 700
11:25 AM roycroft: it will likely pay for itself on the first job
11:26 AM JT-Cave: that would have to be big job to absorb $600
11:26 AM Thorhian7490[m]: No cabinet work here, mostly just software, a bit of solder, and metal chips lol.
11:26 AM roycroft: 30 seconds to clean up an edge vs. 10 minutes adds up fast in time savings
11:27 AM Nkt[m]: Is there a setting to punch to un-escape the HTML " and ' marks?
11:27 AM roycroft: i got a great deal on the one i just got
11:27 AM roycroft: but i had to drive 5 hours to get it
11:28 AM roycroft: it came with a bunch of accessories - almost $900 worth of gear - and i paid $400 for the whole lot
11:28 AM JT-Cave: looks like a great tool if you do a lot of edge banding, I like the big flat surface that rides on the top of the board
11:28 AM roycroft: yes
11:28 AM roycroft: that's the feature that makes it great
11:28 AM roycroft: the horizontal table that comes with it is actually tilted 1.5 degrees
11:28 AM roycroft: so your cutter only hits the corner
11:29 AM roycroft: the one i got came with a second horizontal table that's at 0 degrees, which is useful for solid wood edging strips - you don't want to see the taper on those
11:30 AM roycroft: i had three trim routers, none of which were great at cleaning up edge banding/edge strips
11:30 AM JT-Cave: lunch minute is up back to work
11:30 AM roycroft: i should have bought this one years ago
11:30 AM JT-Cave: yep trying to hold a small hand held router on a narrow edge is painful
11:30 AM roycroft: given the project i'm about to start, it will likely save me several days' work
11:31 AM roycroft: that's if i put solid wood edging around the drawers
11:32 AM roycroft: i'm thinking of making solid wood drawer fronts - that would cost a bit more, but would save a couple or three days of work
11:42 AM JT-Shop2: WOW I found the top of my roll around work bench
11:44 AM JT-Shop2: and found a vary sharp #5 blade with my thumb...
11:53 AM roycroft: ouch
11:53 AM roycroft: but now you can say you're a regular roy underhill again :)
11:56 AM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: Hehe, i know that feeling all to well. "Where is that pesky box with the 100 #10 blades?" *Rummage with one hand in the half opened drawer* "OUCH! Found it! COWORKER, SOME BANDAIDS, PLEASE!"
11:58 AM Loetmichel: s/#10/#11
11:58 AM roycroft: when i buy scalpel blades they come with a plastic box with a slit in it for disposal of old blades
11:58 AM roycroft: i like that
11:58 AM roycroft: for the scalpels themselves, with blades installed, i stuff the end into a wine cork for storage
11:59 AM Loetmichel: roycroft: because they dont. they came in a "flip open" box. which lost the lid eventually
11:59 AM JT-Shop: thank goodness for wound seal
11:59 AM roycroft: and when build my new cabinets, i'm going to build a new rack for my hand planes - i've purchased some more planes since i built the one i use now
12:00 PM Loetmichel: ah well. those blades are sharp enough that the cuts heal in no time
12:00 PM roycroft: and i think i'll put some shallow drawers in the bottom, below the planes, to store extra blades
12:00 PM roycroft: you mean ca glue?
12:00 PM Loetmichel: fit together like a glove, no ripping, just a clean cut
12:01 PM roycroft: are you saying scalpel blades come with a flip-open disposal box in europe/
12:01 PM roycroft: ?
12:01 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: I dont know if that is still on the market, but back when i was in my teens my mother had a spray can with "wound sealant" that she used quite often on my. It felt like an Urethane paint: spray on, dries in seconds to a rubber like film, even on top of blood.
12:01 PM JT-Shop: the blade was hanging off the edge of the table...
12:02 PM Loetmichel: and sticks pretty well to skin
12:02 PM roycroft: i have used ca glue to close up cuts many times
12:02 PM JT-Shop: the stuff I use is a powder like used in the ER, you sprinkle it on apply pressure for a few minutes and done
12:02 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: i say that those X-acto blades cam in a 100 pack that was a flat plastic box with a flip open lid
12:02 PM roycroft: unlike the other roy, i prefer not to dye most of my wood products red
12:02 PM roycroft: oh, ok
12:03 PM roycroft: i was wondering - it would be odd for something sold in the us to be safer than something sold in eu
12:03 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/wood-rack/
12:03 PM JT-Shop: a few more photos of the rack
12:04 PM roycroft: that rack looks really good
12:04 PM Loetmichel: ... and there were enough blades with "pointy end up" in that half empty box that i had to do quite a bit of patching afterwards ;)
12:04 PM roycroft: perfect for shorts
12:04 PM JT-Shop2: roycroft: what does your plane storage look like?
12:05 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: that looks rather nice indeed!
12:05 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Planes.jpeg
12:06 PM Loetmichel: ah well. to have the room for a nice wood workshop... i envy you
12:06 PM roycroft: except there are serveral more planes now, and that section on the left where i was going to add some more dividers is not big enough
12:06 PM Loetmichel: @ roycroft
12:06 PM roycroft: i don't have the room either
12:06 PM roycroft: which is why i have to work so hard to squeeze things in
12:07 PM roycroft: and my wood shop has a metal lathe and benchtop mill in it
12:07 PM roycroft: i don't like mixing wood chips and metal chips in the same room
12:07 PM JT-Shop2: nice and organized
12:07 PM roycroft: but the space is what it is
12:07 PM JT-Shop2: do you retract the blade before storing?
12:08 PM roycroft: no
12:08 PM roycroft: that's not necessary
12:08 PM JT-Shop2: ok
12:08 PM * Loetmichel has a (originally kids room) 3 by 4 meters bedrom as a mancave for all my stuff. No chance for a nice shop. http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=9033&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
12:08 PM roycroft: i also don't bother laying the plane on its side on the bench
12:08 PM JT-Shop2: I do if I'm at the metal bench
12:09 PM roycroft: well i don't bring my hand planes to metal benches :)
12:09 PM roycroft: but if i did i would lay it on its side
12:09 PM XXCoder: roy nice render of your project
12:10 PM roycroft: thanks
12:10 PM roycroft: with the new gpu (and new display), i can render that in about 30 seconds
12:10 PM roycroft: it would have taken a half hour with the old gpu and display
12:10 PM roycroft: that's not the main reason for the upgrades
12:11 PM roycroft: but it's a nice benefit
12:11 PM roycroft: hopefully you'll see an actual picture that resembles that rendering before too long
12:11 PM roycroft: walnut has gotten crazy expensive all of a sudden
12:12 PM roycroft: so i bought a nice jatobá board the other day to make the drawer pulls
12:13 PM roycroft: it's bizarre that i can buy a nice, high quality hardwood from brazil for less than mediocre quality walnut grown and milled here in oregon
12:13 PM XXCoder: yeah
12:13 PM roycroft: jatobá is not even on the cites radar, btw - it's extremely common
12:18 PM roycroft: your shop looks "cozy", loetmichel
12:19 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: its a BIT more clean now
12:19 PM Loetmichel: ... just a bit though
12:19 PM roycroft: it's always a struggle to keep things tidy in a small shop
12:19 PM roycroft: hence my fixation on the storage cabinets and the like
12:19 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=18060&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
12:27 PM JT-Shop: looks like lowes carries a 14-20 round head screw in brass... too bad the nearest one is 60 miles away
12:36 PM roycroft: i get almost all my fasteners from mcmaster-carr these days
12:36 PM roycroft: except i have 1000 euroscrews arriving from woodstock international today
12:36 PM roycroft: but i also have a bunch of stuff arriving from mcmaster today
12:37 PM roycroft: i cannot afford buying fasteners from the big box stores, other than deck screws
12:46 PM JT-Shop: I didn't see a 14-20 round head screw at mcmaster
12:46 PM roycroft: if it's a #14, and not 1/4", that is an unusual size
12:47 PM roycroft: but mcmaster carry a lot of unusual sizes
12:47 PM JT-Shop: it's the stanley size
12:47 PM JT-Shop: yep
12:47 PM JT-Shop: slightly smaller than 1/4"
12:47 PM roycroft: a plane cap screw?
12:48 PM * roycroft bets the lowes ones are really 1/4"-20
12:48 PM XXCoder: speciality bolts https://preview.redd.it/lrfijdm80wx81.jpg?width=889&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84e49b35e35e4641af8716dff9b07469eab37b07
12:48 PM JT-Shop: they are marked 14-20 at lowes
12:48 PM roycroft: i'll be going to lowe's this weekend - i'd be happy to check my local store and see if there are actual #14-20 screws there
12:48 PM JT-Shop: yes the front screw on the rear handle
12:49 PM JT-Shop: thanks
12:49 PM roycroft: yes, i'm sure they're marked 14-20, but i would still bet they're actually 1/4"-20
12:49 PM roycroft: i'll be heading over there tomorrow or sunday
12:49 PM roycroft: what length are you looking for?
12:50 PM JT-Shop: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-Hawk-14-20-Slotted-Drive-Machine-Screw/4686785
12:50 PM roycroft: if they are really 14-20, there's no sense in your driving 60 miles to get them - i can pick them up and send them to you
12:50 PM JT-Shop: I'll have to cut it to fit
12:50 PM JT-Shop: I'd have to have another excuse to be in that area like trip to River Ridge Winery
12:50 PM roycroft: oh, it actually says #14 on the description
12:51 PM JT-Shop: yep
12:51 PM roycroft: it also says there are 3 in stock at my local tore
12:51 PM roycroft: ok, if you're looking for an excuse for a road trip i'll just do reconnaissance
12:52 PM roycroft: besides that router being a great deal, i was looking for an excuse to go to central oregon
12:52 PM roycroft: if the router were in portland or medford, i might not have made the drive
12:52 PM roycroft: i get road trip excuses
12:52 PM JT-Shop: hmm Monday high 88°F
12:52 PM JT-Shop: and sunny
12:52 PM roycroft: it's going to rain here on monday
12:53 PM roycroft: and today, and tomorrow, and pretty much every day for the forseeable future
12:53 PM JT-Shop: heat index Tuesday is 100°F
12:53 PM roycroft: this year we're having a double april
12:54 PM roycroft: that kind of sucks, because i have a *lot* of sheet goods to break down next week, and i find it most convenient to bring the track saw out to my driveway to do that kind of work
12:54 PM roycroft: now i'm going to have to make room in the shop for it
01:23 PM JT-Shop2: well I got the front handle fitted up to that old #5, had to make a brass spacer to go under the screw head
01:30 PM * Tarehjerne1563[m uploaded an image: (1347KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/jFUFEezVzJFagjJYejIUVBaL/IMG_4830.jpg >
01:31 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I keep getting this
01:31 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Any ideas on fix?
01:36 PM JT-Shop: change the lan cable, I assume your getting this on the main NIC connected to a Mesa card?
01:45 PM roycroft: make sure it's a cat6 cable, and perhaps route it differently if it runs near the wiring to the motion control motors
01:50 PM DaveyR0685[m]: Not sure if this was a new setup. But
01:50 PM DaveyR0685[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/35592-mesa-ethernet-setup-for-7i92-7i96-7i76e-and-other-ethernet-mesa-boards
01:50 PM DaveyR0685[m]: The bit in orange about use this connection only resources on this network.
01:59 PM JT-Shop: what address are you using for the 7i92?
02:00 PM JT-Shop: Tommy makes some good posts
02:05 PM rhodium: Does anyone know if the Userspace HAL can be made to send spindle RPM immediately as it is encountered in the G-Code? Currently, it is only sent to my python script upon hitting an M3 statement, which delays things a bit.
02:05 PM JT-Shop: you can use one of my configuration tools to check the packet for your nic
02:06 PM JT-Shop: Snnn is sent when it's encountered AFAIK
02:07 PM rhodium: I've found that Snnn was only sent when it hits the M3, which happens a bit later in my G-Code.
02:08 PM JT-Shop: just checked and if the spindle is not running spindle speed in is not updated
02:08 PM JT-Shop: if the spindle is running it changes when S is executed
02:11 PM ziper2: can you find SLS machines in regular CNC shops or are they usually only run by specialized shops?
02:13 PM GTKplusplus6432[: more of a print service thing than a cnc job shop
02:13 PM XXCoder: i wnt a sls dammit lol
02:13 PM XXCoder: but yeah sls machines is fairly expensive, and usually, its print servcies that run em
02:14 PM GTKplusplus6432[: a sinterit lisa is in range for a hobbyist with means
02:14 PM GTKplusplus6432[: or a small job shop, really, if you can use it
02:14 PM GTKplusplus6432[: * use it for fixturing and stuff
02:15 PM ziper2: yeah, what does a decent SLS cost? 50k? thats in the same range of a CNC mill or lathe, but I see them much less often
02:17 PM Tom_L: Tarehjerne1563[m, make sure you're using a direct connection to the board. no router, switch etc between
02:19 PM GTKplusplus6432[: I think it's 50k to 100k, yeah
02:19 PM GTKplusplus6432[: harder to make money on it, though
02:19 PM GTKplusplus6432[: more expensive to run and more specialized
02:20 PM XXCoder: theres interesting project sls4all
02:20 PM GTKplusplus6432[: a lisa is 5k, 10k with accessories, so it's much better if you don't want to make it a core business machine
02:20 PM XXCoder: think he will release plans in late summer-fall
02:29 PM * JT-Shop attempts to move the cast iron surface plate to a new location...
02:31 PM XXCoder: carefully, dont shatter your back lol
02:34 PM JT-Shop: carefully is the only way to move a heavy object, when I worked offshore oil drum would be laying down and you had to stand them up before putting the sling on to lift them off the boat
02:35 PM JT-Shop: easy if you know how...
02:36 PM JT-Shop2: freaking raining again
02:37 PM Tom_L: finally quit here
02:37 PM XXCoder: what? you guys sometimes not get rain?
02:37 PM XXCoder: ;)
02:37 PM XXCoder: jt indeed
02:38 PM roycroft: yikes
02:38 PM roycroft: i was just at jerry's
02:38 PM roycroft: the cabinet grade walnut plywood that was $149 the other day is now $189
02:39 PM Tom_L: should have gotten it the other day
02:40 PM Tom_L: gas spiked .30 here too
02:40 PM roycroft: $238 at lowes
02:40 PM roycroft: speaking of which
02:40 PM * JT-Shop2 will stay away from plywood
02:40 PM roycroft: what's up with diesel?
02:40 PM roycroft: on my trip yesterday, i was seeing unleaded gasoline in the $4.69-$4.99 range
02:40 PM roycroft: which is about right, for being out of the city and off the freeway
02:40 PM roycroft: but diesel was $6.59-$6.99!
02:41 PM roycroft: diesel used to be cheaper than gasoline
02:41 PM Tom_L: they want shipping to get even higher
02:41 PM roycroft: and i've never seen it for more than a few pennies higher than gasoline
02:41 PM roycroft: well, no trucker is going to tank up anywhere on that highway
02:42 PM roycroft: they all use the big truck stops on the freeways and major highways
02:42 PM roycroft: that fuel is for farmers/ranchers with their dodge rams
02:42 PM roycroft: and people like my boss, who has no need for a gas-guzzler, but has one to "stick to the government"
02:43 PM Tom_L: it's been ages since i've seen a dodge ram on a farm here
02:43 PM Tom_L: i think they're a little smarter than that
02:44 PM Tom_L: those are for pretty boy city slickers
02:44 PM roycroft: and anti-government people
02:44 PM Tom_L: could apply i suppose
02:44 PM roycroft: those are the folks around here who like them
02:45 PM Tom_L: and be sure to put the fat tires and lift kit on it for effect
02:45 PM roycroft: they're the same folks who are stocking up on incandescent light bulbs because they would rather pay more money to light their houses than do "what the government tells them" to do
02:45 PM roycroft: my boss is one of those who did that too
02:45 PM Tom_L: :)
02:46 PM roycroft: i sort of understood not liking cf lamps - they were ugly, had poor color balance, and sometimes flickered
02:46 PM roycroft: but led lamps are every bit as good as far as quality of light as incandescent lamps
02:46 PM roycroft: so that excuse is no more
02:46 PM Tom_L: the cf were a poor transition bulb
02:46 PM roycroft: they were
02:46 PM roycroft: and if i'm honest, i never transitioned all of my lamps to them
02:47 PM roycroft: because, even though they were less efficient, i really liked the light quality of incandescent for some of my spaces
02:47 PM roycroft: but when the leds came out i started converting everything immediately
02:47 PM roycroft: i don't think i have a single incandescent lamp left
02:48 PM roycroft: but i did not do it because the goverment "told" me to do it
02:48 PM roycroft: i did it because i like saving money, and i am rather conservative
02:48 PM roycroft: as in, i like conserving things, especially stuff like energy
02:49 PM roycroft: anyway, i can get 3/4" ac sanded fir plywood for $28
02:49 PM roycroft: maybe my cabinet top is going to be stained fir
02:49 PM JT-Shop2: wow, that's cheap
02:49 PM JT-Shop2: nothing under $80 at menards
02:50 PM roycroft: yeah, i expected it to be about 2x that
02:50 PM roycroft: for my drawer bottoms i'm going to use 1/4" shop grade birch plywood, and that's on sale for $29.99
02:50 PM roycroft: the 3/4" fir is even cheaper than that
02:51 PM roycroft: at least, i hope i'm going to use that birch plywood
02:51 PM roycroft: jerry's are down to about 30 sheets of it - the sale has been running for a while
02:51 PM roycroft: and i need about 10 sheets
02:51 PM roycroft: it will be tuesday, probably, before i'm ready for it
02:51 PM roycroft: and i don't have anywhere good to store it except in my van, so getting it before then is a problem
02:54 PM Cederb4854[m]: Trying to help Tarehjerne, and he gets stuck on that when he right clicks the network manager and wants to edit connections to set IP etc, nothing at all happens
02:54 PM Cederb4854[m]: And tbh, i don't know how to fix that
02:55 PM Tom_L: set up a static ip
02:55 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Yeah its very odd
02:55 PM * roycroft just edits /etc/network/interfaces
02:55 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: we did that before
02:55 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: but the guide we are now using said to not do both?
02:56 PM roycroft: there are some magical gui ways to do it with debian, but i'm not familiar with them
02:56 PM Tom_L: i've found different flavors of linux choose to do it differently
02:56 PM roycroft: they do
02:56 PM Tom_L: generally interfaces works
02:56 PM roycroft: because linux is a kernel, not an operating system
02:56 PM Tom_L: so is sanders
02:57 PM roycroft: was
02:57 PM Tom_L: well ya
02:57 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i dont think i was able to open edit connections even with my static ip
02:57 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: but i will redo it
02:58 PM JT-Shop2: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian9-eth.html
02:58 PM JT-Shop2: that's how I set up a Mesa ethernet card
03:01 PM roycroft: i wonder if i can get some veneer early next week
03:02 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i just tried to do the static ip, and i set it to
03:02 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: unfortunately it did not work
03:02 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i still am not allowed to edit connections
03:02 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: when i click it, nothing happens
03:03 PM roycroft: are you root?
03:03 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i did it with sudo
03:04 PM roycroft: i've never used netmanager
03:04 PM roycroft: all i've ever done with it is disableit
03:04 PM roycroft: so i can't help further with that, sorry
03:04 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: how would you connect to the board with something else than network manager?
03:04 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: all im trying to do is connect to my mesa 7i95 board
03:04 PM roguish[m]: netmanager is a pita
03:05 PM roycroft: ifconfig iface inet x.x.x.x/24 up :)
03:05 PM roycroft: but that would not be persistent
03:06 PM roycroft: but honestly, if i ever do an install where netmanager starts up, i disable it and edit /etc/network interfaces
03:06 PM JT-Shop2: I posted step by step...
03:06 PM roycroft: i have to figure out every time how to disable netmanager, but most of my installs never use it
03:06 PM roguish[m]: _discord_261952052077395968[m]: are you using 1 or 2 nics?
03:06 PM roycroft: hopefully at least 2
03:07 PM roycroft: otherwise there will be no mesa network love
03:07 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: one
03:07 PM roycroft: aah, so there will be no mesa network love
03:07 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: one wired and a wifi connection
03:07 PM roycroft: wait
03:07 PM roycroft: that's two
03:07 PM JT-Shop2: so two
03:08 PM * JT-Shop2 gives up trying to remember what he was about to do and just goes down to the chicken yard to spoil them
03:08 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i did what the tutorial said jt.shop2
03:08 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: shutdown and install a second LAN card if you need to connect to the internet" is the only thing i skipped
03:08 PM * roycroft is trying to do an os upgrade that is causing a lot of problems as his last task before vacation time, so he can finish work frustrated
03:09 PM roycroft: fortunately the machine i'm attempting to upgrade has no services running on it currently
03:10 PM roycroft: but debian 10 to debian 11 hasn't gone smoothly on most of the servers that i manage
03:10 PM roycroft: i'm about ready to recommend to my boss that we just buy a new vps every time we want to upgrade one, install the current os on the new vps, and migrate all services to it
03:10 PM roycroft: that may be faster, easier, and cheaper than trying to do in-place os upgrades
03:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: so, what more should i do? i can still not connect to the mesa card, i have the static ip set up to, also my IP thing is eno1
03:13 PM roguish[m]: _discord_261952052077395968[m]: is the card set to that IP ?
03:13 PM roycroft: are you sure the interface is up?
03:13 PM roguish[m]: gotta match
03:13 PM roycroft: as root, try this:
03:13 PM roycroft: /sbin/ifconfig eno1
03:14 PM roycroft: or whatever your interface is
03:14 PM roycroft: if ifconfig is not installed, then it would be good to install it
03:14 PM roycroft: sudo apt -y install net-tools
03:14 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: one second, i'll do that
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if only there was someone that could fix the Debian graphical network manager
03:15 PM roycroft: the "fix" is to not use it :)
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I think it's too hard is why they have never been able to fix it
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Ubuntu even fixes things that aren't broken
03:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe Debian can get an Ubuntu dev to fix it
03:16 PM roycroft: and i know that ip(8) can do most, if not all, that ifconfig(8) can do
03:16 PM roycroft: but i never learned how to use ip(8)
03:16 PM roycroft: it's easier to just install ifconfig :)
03:16 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: apt -y install net-tools
03:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why even have a GUI if you don not want non admin users to use your Debian?
03:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/don/do/
03:17 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i installed apt -y install net-tools just now
03:18 PM roycroft: ok, so now /sbin/ifconfig eno1 should work
03:18 PM roycroft: and that will tell you the state of the interface
03:19 PM roycroft: and whether it has an ip address assigned to it or not
03:19 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: ok let me try
03:20 PM unterhaus: the forum has me convinced that nobody knows how to 3d print using lcnc
03:20 PM roycroft: we had a user here on this channel who did exactly that
03:20 PM roycroft: and not only did she 3d print using linuxcnc, she did it on her milling machine
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: which forum?
03:20 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i tried the /sbin/ifconfig eno1
03:21 PM roycroft: she attached a filament squirter to the milling machine
03:21 PM unterhaus: Cap'n, the lcnc forum
03:21 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: and i got a bunch of stuff, if you want to see it i can copy it to a usb and to this pc
03:21 PM * JT-Shop runs his Mesa Configuration tool, selects 7i95 then presses F1
03:21 PM roycroft: ens18: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
03:21 PM roycroft: inet netmask broadcast
03:21 PM JT-Shop: W5 Down W6 Up
03:21 PM roycroft: that's the first two lines of ifconfig output on an interface that is upand working
03:21 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i'll just copy it over
03:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: huh, I've been doing it for over 10 years, maybe I have been wrong
03:21 PM roycroft: just the first two lines for now
03:22 PM unterhaus: Cap'n, well, exception proves the rule
03:22 PM JT-Shop: Tarehjerne1563[m, did you set the jumpers on the 7i95 for
03:22 PM roycroft: jt-shop: i want tarehnjerne1563 to ping the local interface first
03:23 PM unterhaus: Andy posted a youtube of someone using machinekit
03:23 PM roycroft: then try to ping the mesa card
03:23 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: cnc@CNCsafeSET:~$ sudo /sbin/ifconfig eno1... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ae1dbb721714e53133a7046ecf4211e0769c6011)
03:23 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: thats what i got after running that sbin command
03:23 PM roycroft: ok
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: oh well that is almost like LCNC
03:23 PM Nkt[m]: I do love that they then blame Biden for their expensive fuel that they bought specifically to guzzle fuel! Idiots.
03:23 PM roycroft: so you do not have an ip address assigned to the interface yet
03:24 PM roycroft: for testing, do this:
03:24 PM roycroft: /sbin/ifconfig eno1 inet netmask 0xffffff00 up
03:24 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: ok /sbin/ifconfig eno1 inet netmask 0xffffff00 up
03:24 PM roycroft: now
03:24 PM roycroft: ping
03:25 PM roycroft: nkt: that's the whole purpose for buying the gas-guzzler - to be able to blame the government for one's poor judgement
03:25 PM Nkt[m]: Exactly!
03:25 PM roycroft: Tarehjerne1563: is the device pinging?
03:25 PM Nkt[m]: That's why it is hilarious.
03:26 PM roycroft: you should get output like this:
03:26 PM roycroft: # ping
03:26 PM roycroft: PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
03:26 PM roycroft: 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.053 ms
03:26 PM unterhaus: Cap'n what are you using to measure temperatures?
03:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: if CNC glue gun is 3d printing what do you calla printer that deposits inks or fluids or resins onto non-planar surfaces using a multi-axis mechanism?
03:27 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i wrote sudo /sbin/ifconfig eno1 inet netmask 0xffffff00 up
03:27 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: and i got sorry, try again
03:28 PM andypugh: unterhaus: I beleve that seb_kuzminsky has a LinuxCNC 3D printer.
03:28 PM roycroft: that is odd
03:29 PM roycroft: maybe netmanager is interfering with even ifconfig
03:29 PM unterhaus: I'm sure they are out there, printing instead of participating on the forum
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: temp probes, using analog inputs on a microcontroller
03:29 PM roycroft: or maybe sudo is failing
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there is a teensy to LCNC hal over USB
03:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i deleted the netmanager
03:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: ceder told me lol
03:30 PM roycroft: sudo is good at saying "sorry"
03:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linuxcnc-hal-teensy
03:30 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: maybe that was a bad idea
03:30 PM roycroft: i've never seen ifconfig say that
03:30 PM roycroft: sudo bash
03:30 PM roycroft: do that
03:30 PM roycroft: and make sure you get a root shell
03:30 PM roycroft: then try the ifconfig command again, without the sudo at the beginning
03:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: analog ins for LCNC are a bit out of the norm for most users so you don't hear about it much
03:32 PM unterhaus: I've noticed that about lcnc. Plus the trajectory planner isn't set up for glue guns
03:33 PM rhodium: Does anyone know if using gstat instead of halui to pull "requested-spindle-speed-changed" instead of "spindle.0.speed-out" might work better for getting the Snnn spindle speed in the gcode?
03:33 PM andypugh: If you want to measure temperatures I wouldn’t use analog in.
03:34 PM * Tarehjerne1563[m uploaded an image: (3480KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/szbOlmVvCDbVAPrJCZQogMXY/IMG_4834.jpg >
03:34 PM andypugh: unterhaus: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/man/man9/max31855.9.html
03:34 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I dont know if i can share images
03:34 PM rhodium: (My issue is that the S parameter is never sent until an M3 is encountered)
03:34 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: But i pinged myself, that worked
03:34 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: But pinging 10.10.10 didnt
03:34 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Oh 4 10s
03:34 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Tjat worked!
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: nice find! If only there was some way that LCNC could make users are of it's many hidden features
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/are/aware/
03:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/are/aware/, s/it's/its/
03:36 PM andypugh: CaptHindsight[m]: You mean like by having it documented on the web site?
03:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, maybe with bigger type or in bold for new features
03:37 PM andypugh: Admittedly in that case you have to read through all the hal comps to see what that one does. (I already knew, I helped write the comp and use the chip fairly often)
03:37 PM roycroft: great
03:37 PM unterhaus: I saw that hal comp
03:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Ive been learning about new ones myself recently :)
03:38 PM unterhaus: I don't know how I would implement it though
03:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and how to make them
03:38 PM roycroft: this is not persistent, Tarehjerne1563, but it does prove that it works, and that your mesa card is set up properly
03:38 PM roycroft: so any time you reboot or otherwise reset the network configuration, your eno1 interface will not come back up on its own
03:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: you mean like read the temp and have a PID control the power to the heater?
03:39 PM unterhaus: I mean bit banged spi
03:39 PM Cederb4854[m]: Tarehjerne just did the mesaflash --readhmid and got the response from the mesacard with the pins etc
03:39 PM andypugh: unterhaus: You just need to wire three GPIO pins to the chip in the real world, and to the compone in HAL. (then every extra channel just costs you one more GPIO for the CS pin)
03:40 PM unterhaus: okay, so I can implement on a mesa
03:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: why not call that comp analoginput or tempprobe in or something other than the part number of the device?
03:41 PM andypugh: Yes. (Or, you could use mesa SPI, but that is a lot more work for no real benefit except way faster updates than needed for the same cost in GPIO pins)
03:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: now I have to look at the parts data sheet and see what else it can do :)
03:42 PM andypugh: It _only_ does thermocouples. You even need a different chip for different thermocouples.
03:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Thermocouple-to-Digital might also be a good name for a comp like that
03:43 PM andypugh: But you can biuy them pre-placed on little boards: https://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-thermocouple-amplifier-max31855-breakout-board-max6675-upgrade?variant=27740053137&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwjtOTBhAvEiwASG4bCHntBbUZ9u5p2r9RX6m59MaIMNg7djmaYxMti95Xsn2VP0u7xhAQShoC_o0QAvD_BwE
03:43 PM andypugh: Yikes! Should have trimmed that URL
03:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX31855.pdf
03:43 PM XXCoder: untamed weed url
03:44 PM unterhaus: I saw you can buy breakouts for that chip
03:44 PM JT-Shop2: Cederb4854[m]: are you using my configuration tool?
03:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.adafruit.com/product/269
03:45 PM unterhaus: most 3d printers are not using thermocouples though, right?
03:45 PM andypugh: Mine does.
03:45 PM andypugh: And it was very cheap indeed.
03:45 PM XXCoder: termoresister os what average printer uses
03:45 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I got it working!!!!
03:45 PM roycroft: awesome
03:45 PM XXCoder: tareh awesome!
03:45 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i think i will make a video on how i was guided by cederB
03:45 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: yes really was! thanks guys
03:46 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i helped much, other than providing some tools to make sure the interface is working properly
03:46 PM unterhaus: nobody ever thinks to start making the video at the beginning of the process
03:46 PM unterhaus: speed it up and put it to the benny hill theme
03:46 PM roycroft: but that's always the first part of troubleshooting
03:47 PM andypugh: Thermocouples are really simple, just too bits of slithly special wire electrically conected at one end. That is literally it. You can make your own for pennies.
03:47 PM roycroft: jerky, speeded-up 3d printing to the tune of yakkity-yak might be entertaining
03:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: thanks for the good comp example with SPI!
03:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: pretty sure the new rule is never show the completed project until the final 2 seconds of the video and talk about as much as possible without showing anything
03:50 PM unterhaus: Cap'n instand downvote from me
03:50 PM unterhaus: instant
03:51 PM unterhaus: I would say that the percentage of time I just want to see what someone made is over 90%
03:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same here
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I skip to the end and hit pause and even then it's often blurry or from an odd angle
03:52 PM * JT-Shop2 takes a guess it's no
03:52 PM unterhaus: andy is checking his youtubes for downvotes
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 😂
03:53 PM unterhaus: microsoft say local weather is "flood" uh oh
03:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: get the boats out now!
03:53 PM unterhaus: oh, good, changed back to "rain"
03:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: whew
03:54 PM unterhaus: I live on top of a big hill, so it would be serious long before I had problems
03:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: any signs of animals queuing by 2's?
03:55 PM unterhaus: well, the dogs think it's dinnertime, so does that count?
03:56 PM unterhaus: not sure they would get in a boat under any circumstance
03:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: is there a time when they don't think it's time to eat?
03:58 PM roycroft: when i was on my road trip yesterday, the mckenzie river was almost lapping on the side of the road
03:58 PM roycroft: it's as close to flood stage as can be without actually flooding
03:58 PM unterhaus: dinner is at 5, they start thinking any human movement is related to dinner at about 3
04:00 PM unterhaus: we have some areas that always flood. But mostly just Milesburg
04:01 PM roycroft: i really need to measure my big veneering bag
04:01 PM roycroft: i can veneer some plywood or mdf for a lot less money than buying a sheet of hardwood-veneer plywood
04:02 PM roycroft: but i need the full 8', and i'm not sure if my bag can handle that
04:02 PM roycroft: well, i actually need like 7'11-13/16"
04:02 PM roycroft: i don't mean to exaggerate :)
04:03 PM roycroft: although the edges of the veneer will probably be damanged in the vacuum bag, unless i make the substrate longer than the veneer
04:03 PM roycroft: so i actually need slightly more than 8'
04:04 PM roycroft: i guess i need to measure the bag when i get off work
04:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a veneer stretcher would be handy, same for pipes and conduits
04:05 PM unterhaus: I never thought of veneer that long
04:07 PM roycroft: it can be hard to find veneer sheets that long
04:07 PM roycroft: https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Paper-Backed-Walnut-Veneer-Flat-Cut-2-x-8.html
04:08 PM roycroft: that's a semi-boring, but easy to deal with veneer sheet that would work for me
04:08 PM roycroft: i could get something with a little more figure for the same price, but it would be more work, as i'd have to joint and splice multiple sheets together
04:09 PM roycroft: and this is a shop fixture which, while it needs to look nice, does not have to have highly figured wood
04:09 PM roycroft: especially on the top surface, which will be almost completely covered
04:09 PM roycroft: https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Figured-Walnut-Veneer-Lot--825-x-108-4-Sheets-Per-Lot.html
04:10 PM roycroft: that lot, for example, has a lot more figure, and costs a fair amount less than the 2x8 sheet
04:13 PM roycroft: longer term, i'll be mostly making my own veneers, but that adds too much complication to my current project
04:14 PM roycroft: hmm, they have some jatobá veneer that looks nice, and that is the wood i'm using for my drawer pulls
04:15 PM roycroft: and the price is decent on it
04:28 PM JT-Shop2: my guess is Tarehjerne1563[m is not using my config tool...
04:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I was not using any config tool
04:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I did it manually
04:29 PM JT-Shop2: to make your LinuxCNC configuration files
04:29 PM roycroft: the way real men, er, neanderthals, do! :)
04:33 PM roycroft: so the rain has gone away, and it's super windey
04:33 PM roycroft: windy
04:33 PM roycroft: it might be a good day to try to cut the grass, if it's not too wet
04:34 PM JT-Shop2: I guess I can't communicate...
04:34 PM roycroft: because the rain will be back tonight
04:34 PM * roycroft is understanding what jt-shop2 is saying
04:35 PM XXCoder: roycroft: yeah I hope it dries some more. might be able to mow
04:35 PM roycroft: i was able to mow the front earlier this week
04:36 PM roycroft: but the back yard is almost knee-high now, because it's been so wet
04:36 PM XXCoder: I would have been able 2 days ago, it was very nice. but while weather was very nice, I was out :( too dizzy and tired after hour of workbuying food etc
04:36 PM roycroft: i have a bunch of spare air-cooled vw engines in my fabrication shop
04:36 PM XXCoder: nice
04:36 PM XXCoder: whats you doing with them
04:37 PM roycroft: i had the brilliant idea to store them in my '65 bus, because i need the room in the fabrication shop to store some stuff from the place where i need to move my current tool storage cabinet
04:37 PM roycroft: i want to sell all of them
04:37 PM roycroft: i have what i need for my '74 bus - a freshly rebuilt engine
04:37 PM roycroft: and the '65 i'm just going to sell
04:37 PM roycroft: so right now i just need to make some space
04:38 PM roycroft: i have a lot of moving around to do before i can build my new cabinets, which i'm going to start on on sunday or monday
04:38 PM roycroft: anyway, the '65 is way out in the back corner of my property, and it would be nice if i can cut the grass before i start moving the engines out there
04:39 PM roycroft: i think i have four spare engines, in various states of assembly/disassembly
04:39 PM roycroft: i wanted to try to sell the lot on cl before i started this cabinet project, but i didn't get that done and i'm out of time
04:39 PM roycroft: so now i just need to move them
04:40 PM roycroft: i hate moving things twice, but oh well
04:47 PM sliptonicBradCol: Struggling to configure a simple software stepping machine. 4 axis. Linear XYZ work fine. Configure the A axis in stepconf and it works fine. Very fast. Save config and start linuxcnc and the angular axis is very slow.
04:47 PM sliptonicBradCol: Is there something goofy going on with the units between stepconf and linuxcnc degrees/min vs degrees/sec?
04:50 PM JT-Shop2: what do you mean?
04:51 PM XXCoder: rss feed on git commits is nice to have
04:51 PM XXCoder: roycroft: yeah
04:51 PM XXCoder: my bro have 1967 beetle shell, but no time and room to do anything
04:51 PM roycroft: wow - the sun just came out, and it's unexpectedly warm
04:51 PM roycroft: i shall definitely have a go at mowing today
04:52 PM roycroft: '67 is a weird year
04:52 PM roycroft: first year of 12v
04:52 PM roycroft: but a lot of one-year-only stuff
04:54 PM XXCoder: yeah and few last years too
04:55 PM XXCoder: like rear lights
04:57 PM roycroft: yes, except the '66 lights were 6v, and the '67 were 12v
04:57 PM roycroft: so the power specs, at least, changed
04:57 PM roycroft: i'm not as familiar with beetles as buses
04:57 PM XXCoder: yeah. probably changed wiring and socket
04:58 PM roycroft: but probably the lens was the same, but the socket changed in '67
04:58 PM roycroft: '67 was also the last year of the split window bus
04:58 PM roycroft: the bay window came out in '68
04:58 PM roycroft: so for vw buses, '67 was a very weird year
04:59 PM roycroft: the beetle did not have a significant body change around then, though
05:00 PM roycroft: i'm thinking that, even if the grass is wet, i can raise the mower wheels a bit and cut the lawn a bit high, and that would still be better than waiting another week plus for the grass to dry out
05:01 PM roycroft: at least that's my current plan
05:01 PM roycroft: i'll find out in a few minutes when i give it a go
05:01 PM XXCoder: thats an idea
05:02 PM XXCoder: probably do same since my mower is electric
05:16 PM roycroft: yay! i'm on vacation!
05:17 PM * JT-Shop2 needs to come up with a better way to cut finger joints...
05:17 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I have my linux cnc running just fine, and i can even disable the ethernet connection and plug it back in and it works without any hassle
05:17 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: now i just need to ask, how do i make the servo spin faster
05:17 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i changed a few parameters but i keep getting errors
05:18 PM JT-Shop2: how did you create your configuration files?
05:18 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: with the setup wizard
05:18 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: and i manually changed them
05:19 PM JT-Shop2: which setup wizard?
05:25 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: the pnconfig
05:25 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: sry its taking so long to respond, the kitchen was on fire lol
05:26 PM JT-Shop2: https://gnipsel.com/mesa/mesact/index.html try my Mesa Configuration tool it's designed to do the 7i95 and other cards
05:27 PM JT-Shop2: https://gnipsel.com/mesa/7i95/index.html I also have one for the 7i95 only
05:28 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: yeah lets do that
05:28 PM JT-Shop2: I work more on the Mesa Configuration tool
05:28 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: and what does this do exactly?
05:28 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: configures my mesa card?
05:29 PM JT-Shop2: creates the files used by LinuxCNC
05:29 PM JT-Shop2: similar to pncconf but better and easier to use
05:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Oh, i see
05:30 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Not to be too much on the alternative end, but is there not a setting i can change in my ini file to have it spin faster?
05:31 PM JT-Shop2: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#_joint__lt_num_gt_section
05:32 PM JT-Shop2: if you change anything and run pncconf you loose your changes, not with my tools as they read the ini in
05:32 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Ok, give me a moment, i'll install it
05:33 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Hopefully this doesnt break anything lol
05:34 PM JT-Shop2: just create a new configuration from scratch with a different machine name
05:34 PM JT-Shop2: roycroft: do you have the Incra I-Box Jig or a different one?
05:36 PM sliptonicBradCol: Am I correct that configuration units in the .ini file are always in machine units / sec but displayed in the GUI in units/min?
05:36 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: im a big newbie in this, how do i do that?
05:38 PM JT-Shop2: that's correct
05:38 PM JT-Shop2: Tarehjerne1563[m: do what?
05:39 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: create a new configuration
05:42 PM JT-Shop2: start my tool and use a different machine name
05:47 PM silopolis[m]: hey sliptonic (Brad Collette)#2339 o/
05:48 PM sliptonicBradCol: Hi silopolis
05:49 PM silopolis[m]: Snail mode for A axis is a security feature for Path dev 😜
05:50 PM sliptonicBradCol: Doh! Foiled again!
05:51 PM silopolis[m]: argh 😕 Wish I could help
05:51 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: yeah i want to spin my A axis at 2500 rpm
05:51 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: it wont go much more than 70 ish
05:51 PM sliptonicBradCol: It's got me a little confuzzled. I think I've tweaked every combination of min_ max_ and default_velocity option. Doesn't seem to make a difference
05:51 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i need to reinstall network manager
05:51 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i had to delete it to get the ethernet to function :/
05:52 PM silopolis[m]: But I'm enslaved to docs translation 😭😅
05:52 PM JT-Shop: sliptonicBradCol, what's the max velocity for A
05:53 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Whats the standard network manager for linux cnc?
05:53 PM JT-Shop: and are you testing the A axis by itself?
05:54 PM JT-Shop: I don't use a network manager I use the terminal
05:54 PM sliptonicBradCol: Do you mean in the DISPLAY, TRAJ, or Joint section? I'm not at the machine ATM but it was verry high. Like 48000. Yes. Testing in isolation. In stepconf it rolls fast.
05:54 PM JT-Shop: joint and traj
05:55 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: basically i just want to connect to my wifi
05:55 PM sliptonicBradCol: I need to go back and go through methodically to make sure I'm setting the same values everywhere
05:56 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: is it possible to connect to wifi and ethernet at the same time?
05:56 PM JT-Shop: hmm don't see anything in traj about angualr
05:56 PM JT-Shop: Tarehjerne1563[m, yes
05:57 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Could you reference me to any source as to how?
05:57 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: this is all black magic for me haha
05:57 PM JT-Shop: I don't use wifi on any cnc machines and prefer to plug in
05:59 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i dont know whats happening, but i see "I don&apos;t
05:59 PM JT-Shop: sliptonicBradCol, so max velocity is in machine units per second which is usually degrees
06:00 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I only have one internet port and im using that to connect to my board
06:00 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: If there is any way to also have a wifi connection going?
06:00 PM JT-Shop: your viewer is converting to html lol
06:01 PM JT-Shop: sliptonicBradCol, 2500 RPM = 54,000,000 degrees per second
06:02 PM JT-Shop: 2,500 * 60 * 360 = 54,000,000
06:02 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: 2,500 RPM = 15,000 °/s
06:03 PM sliptonicBradCol: Thanks @JT-Shop. I'll double check and/or push my config to a git repo if I still can't get it moving at a reasonable rate.
06:03 PM sliptonicBradCol: Stepconf could certainly be improved here. Another page to configure the display preferences.
06:03 PM sliptonicBradCol: Also, tweaks made during the 'test this axis' stage don't get copied back to configuration page.
06:03 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: 54,000,000 degrees/sec is 9 million rpm
06:04 PM sliptonicBradCol: Pretty sure I wasn't going that fast 😛
06:04 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: tell me if you were, you would have the fastest spinning thing on earth
06:05 PM JT-Shop: I'm not following
06:06 PM JT-Shop: 2500 rpm is 150000 rps
06:06 PM JT-Shop: I rev is 360 degrees
06:06 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: you said 2500 RPM = 54,000,000 degrees per second, i think thats a bit too much
06:07 PM JT-Shop: show me the math
06:08 PM sliptonicBradCol: 2500 / 60 = rpS ... RPS * 360 = 15000 (degrees per second)
06:08 PM XXCoder: divide, think that should be multuple
06:08 PM JT-Shop: 2500 * 60 is rps
06:08 PM JT-Shop: oh crap yes /
06:08 PM JT-Shop: tired long day
06:09 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: 2500 rpm = 2500 rpm * 1/60 rps = 41.666667
06:09 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: 1 rps = 360 deg/s
06:09 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: 41.666667 rps * 360 deg = 15000 deg/sec
06:09 PM JT-Shop: going the wrong way lol
06:09 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: you multiplied by 60
06:09 PM JT-Shop: yea brain going backwards lol
06:09 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: you should have divided haha
06:09 PM JT-Shop: 14,999.999
06:09 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: happens to the best lol
06:09 PM JT-Shop: must be time to retire for the night
06:10 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: anyway, i cant install your 7i95 config before i get wifi back
06:10 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i uninstialled the wifi manager, idk which one i had before
06:10 PM JT-Shop: ok, which os
06:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: linux cnc 2.8.2
06:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: the d....
06:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: debian
06:11 PM JT-Shop: hmm debian 9 or 10 I forget
06:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: 9 i think... let me check
06:13 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: wait, how do i check this
06:13 PM XXCoder: uname
06:13 PM XXCoder: forgot what parameter
06:13 PM JT-Shop: uname -a
06:14 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i dont want to uname anything atm
06:14 PM JT-Shop: sudo apt install network-manager
06:14 PM JT-Shop: uname just returns the os
06:15 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: oh, it was just that?
06:15 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: oh fk i write atp
06:15 PM JT-Shop: john@d10shop:~$ uname -a
06:15 PM JT-Shop: Linux d10shop 4.19.0-17-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.194-2 (2021-06-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:15 PM XXCoder: yeah various aspects of os names etc
06:15 PM XXCoder: my pc Linux rolfmint 5.4.0-109-generic #123-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 8 09:10:54 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:15 PM JT-Shop: lsb_release -a
06:16 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: yeah that worked! i now got wifi on it
06:16 PM JT-Shop: john@d10shop:~$ lsb_release -a
06:16 PM JT-Shop: No LSB modules are available.
06:16 PM JT-Shop: Distributor ID: Debian
06:16 PM JT-Shop: Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
06:16 PM JT-Shop: Release: 10
06:16 PM JT-Shop: Codename: buster
06:17 PM Tom_L: they should have used smurfs
06:17 PM JT-Shop: they should have use year numbers
06:17 PM Tom_L: hahaha
06:18 PM JT-Shop: instead of silly names, sounds like kindergarten
06:18 PM roycroft: i got half the lawn mowed before it started raining
06:18 PM JT-Shop: burgers on the grill
06:18 PM Tom_L: windows started at 7 i think except NT4
06:18 PM roycroft: fortunately, the half that i needed mowed to move my stuff
06:18 PM Tom_L: burgers in the mouth :)
06:18 PM JT-Shop: in a bit
06:18 PM Tom_L: here
06:18 PM Tom_L: now
06:18 PM Tom_L: :)
06:19 PM JT-Shop: your an over achiever it's not even time
06:19 PM Tom_L: sure it is
06:19 PM Tom_L: over achiever? ... i didn't build a wood rack and stack it in 2 days!
06:19 PM JT-Shop: are you in central time?
06:20 PM Tom_L: i am
06:20 PM JT-Shop: it took me 3 days...
06:20 PM JT-Shop: ok it's time
06:20 PM roycroft: yes, it is dinner time in tomville
06:20 PM roycroft: it is two hours until dinner time here
06:20 PM Tom_L: pizza night!
06:21 PM roycroft: it is!
06:21 PM JT-Shop: awesome
06:21 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I have Debian 4.19.235-1
06:21 PM roycroft: and i'm making a margharita tonight, so it's even something you might eat
06:21 PM JT-Shop: lsb_release -a
06:21 PM roycroft: margherita, rather
06:22 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: @JT-Shop did this ping work? Also, i have to ask, will this allow me to utilize the full speed of the servo?
06:22 PM XXCoder: irc is simple. just need spell full nick name to ping
06:23 PM JT-Shop: yes
06:23 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: yes to both?
06:23 PM Tom_L: yes
06:23 PM Tom_L: to all 3
06:23 PM * JT-Shop listened to Ahab the Arab
06:23 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: nice, lets go then
06:23 PM Tom_L: skinnard
06:23 PM JT-Shop: nice
06:24 PM roycroft: i haven't heard any ray stevens in a long long time
06:24 PM JT-Shop: I have several of Ray's recordings
06:25 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside to calm Woody down, she's been antsy today
06:25 PM roycroft: i should be off now to prep the vw bus for its new residents
06:26 PM roycroft: once i catch my breath
06:27 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: how long have you been doing linux cnc jt-shop?
06:27 PM roycroft: he's been doing it since before it was linuxcnc :)
06:27 PM Tom_L: x2
06:27 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: wow how many years is that?
06:28 PM Tom_L: i ran out of fingers to count on
06:28 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: nice
06:28 PM XXCoder: hopefully not by losing fingers ;)
06:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I have installed everything, now to get the configuration tool. How do i open and run it?
06:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: https://gnipsel.com/mesa/7i95/install.html
06:30 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i followed this
06:32 PM Tom_L: i haven't used it. i did mine manually
06:33 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: are you using a 7i95?
06:33 PM Tom_L: If you don’t have LinuxCNC installed then the 7i95 Configuration tool will show up in the Applications > Other menu otherwise it will be in the CNC menu.
06:33 PM Tom_L: acording to that page
06:34 PM Tom_L: no i'm using a 7i90 7i47s
06:34 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i have linux cnc installed, i installed everything via cmd
06:34 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: how do i get to the menu?
06:34 PM Tom_L: what's the name of the package?
06:35 PM Tom_L: probably run it from a terminal
06:35 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: gdebi
06:35 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: so sudo apt run gdebi?
06:36 PM Tom_L: idk
06:36 PM Tom_L: no
06:36 PM Tom_L: gdebi is a dependency
06:37 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: so, how is it ran?
06:38 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: im a complete noob when it comes to everything on linuxcnc or linux at all, its my second day of having it haha
06:40 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, you may REALLLLLY want to setup a personal computer or laptop if you have one. with ubuntu or FEDORA. As a "primary" use machine. it will really help
06:41 PM _unreal_: in both how to use a linux based machine and just how trouble shoot in general
06:41 PM _unreal_: UGH....
06:41 PM _unreal_: so I got a FREE plate of aluminum 6" by 17"
06:41 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i have two computers, one i use for this and general work the other just for linux cnc
06:42 PM _unreal_: by .5" thick
06:42 PM _unreal_: I'm facing it right now with the largest bit my spindle can take. a 1/4" shank. hehe its funny I'm facing the surface at .5mm depth and 115mm feed rate just fine.
06:43 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, computers are DIRT cheap. I'd suggest getting a $200-300 laptop if its with in your $ means or any computer from 2015 or later
06:44 PM _unreal_: just to have as a linux machine
06:44 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: @JT-Shop If you have time tomorrow, i would really appericiate if you could help me a little getting that https://gnipsel.com/mesa/7i95/install.html configurer setup correctly. I think i have installed it, but im not sure how to run it as i installed it via cmd
06:44 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I have a linux machine?
06:45 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, are you considering your lcnc machine a "linux" machine?
06:45 PM _unreal_: if so WRONG....
06:45 PM _unreal_: the "machine" controller computer running lcnc should be only lcnc
06:45 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: No, i have another computer that runs linux as OS
06:45 PM _unreal_: if you start adding lots of other software'
06:45 PM _unreal_: OH OK
06:45 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: an old stationary one
06:45 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: its fairly old now
06:45 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: maybe from 2005
06:46 PM _unreal_: more memory the better
06:46 PM _unreal_: FYI
06:46 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i have not turned it on for years, i didnt use it. i think it was a server of some sort, my dad's
06:47 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I don't have 200$ to spend right now haha
06:51 PM _unreal_: me ether.
06:51 PM _unreal_: mainly cause I just dumped about 6k into my stocks
06:52 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i dumped about that into servos
06:52 PM _unreal_: ?
06:52 PM _unreal_: details?
06:53 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: not just servos, spindles and cnc gear in general
06:55 PM _unreal_: heh... details...
06:55 PM _unreal_: what kind of a machine are you out fitting?
06:55 PM _unreal_: I'm using my smaller cnc right now to build parts for my new much larger machine
06:55 PM _unreal_: MUCH larger
06:56 PM _unreal_: working with a 7.75"x12.75" work area
06:56 PM _unreal_: to make parts for my 20x30" work area
06:56 PM _unreal_: cutting aluminum parts right now
06:56 PM _unreal_: the small machine is very capable just slow
07:25 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: No clue i installed it via cmd
07:26 PM Tom_L: so you're not running a GUI?
07:26 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: No
07:26 PM Tom_L: why?
07:26 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Good question
07:26 PM Tom_L: and how did you install linuxcnc?
07:27 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Via usb
07:27 PM Tom_L: using the iso?
07:27 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Yes
07:27 PM Tom_L: and you didn't get a gui when you installed it?
07:28 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Do images transfer over this communication port?
07:28 PM Tom_L: not on irc
07:28 PM Tom_L: just a whole bunch of garbage
07:28 PM Tom_L: you can link to an image
07:28 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I can use the pncconf wizard no issues
07:29 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: It was that program i was linked i couldnt get working
07:29 PM Tom_L: i know
07:29 PM Tom_L: and i don't know what he named the executable
07:30 PM Tom_L: if you can figure that out you probably launch it with python
07:30 PM Tom_L: open a terminal and python user_app.py
07:32 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I write python (my username)_(exe name).py?
07:32 PM Tom_L: he just tied it to a gui menu item
07:33 PM Tom_L: more than likely
07:33 PM _unreal_: are you trying to control lcnc via terminal?
07:33 PM _unreal_: SSH?
07:33 PM Tom_L: no _unreal_
07:33 PM _unreal_: just read no GUI
07:33 PM Tom_L: you don't know the answer :)
07:33 PM _unreal_: no i dont
07:33 PM Tom_L: he's trying to launch jt's config app and i don't know what it's called
07:34 PM _unreal_: and I have mind numbing milling going in behind me as well
07:34 PM Tom_L: surprised you don't have mind numbing glass in your hand
07:34 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, do you have a mesa card?
07:34 PM _unreal_: glass?
07:34 PM Tom_L: can
07:34 PM _unreal_: as in fiberglass
07:34 PM Tom_L: jug
07:34 PM Tom_L: wnatever
07:35 PM Tom_L: 80proof
07:35 PM _unreal_: OHHHH
07:35 PM _unreal_: drinky drinky
07:35 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: 7i95 yes
07:35 PM _unreal_: no...
07:35 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, pnconfg should work
07:35 PM Tom_L: we know that
07:35 PM _unreal_: with that card
07:35 PM Tom_L: he's trying to try jt's new tool
07:35 PM _unreal_: AHH
07:35 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: It works but i cant get more than 70 rpm
07:35 PM Tom_L: it puts out a cleaner config
07:35 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I need at least 300
07:36 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Preferably 2500
07:36 PM Tom_L: or 5000
07:36 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, have you looked at the output config file
07:36 PM _unreal_: its just a txt file
07:36 PM _unreal_: you can manually edit it
07:36 PM Tom_L: he's a complete noob
07:36 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: The ini fileV
07:36 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: no audio numbing equipment?
07:36 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Yes i edited the ini
07:36 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I get errors though
07:36 PM Tom_L: what errors?
07:37 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Let me show
07:37 PM Tom_L: _unreal_ can fix em
07:37 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: So i have my A axis
07:37 PM _unreal_: MAN. I'm kicking my self. I should done a face processes depth of like .1 mm not .5mm
07:38 PM _unreal_: facing
07:38 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I want to spin at 15000 deg/sec
07:38 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Or 900,000 deg/min
07:38 PM Tom_L: you're facing with a .250 em?
07:38 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, yes
07:38 PM _unreal_: largest I can
07:38 PM _unreal_: I'm cutting at 115mm/min like a champ
07:39 PM _unreal_: .25" bits dont flex :) unlike 1/8 bits hehe
07:39 PM Tom_L: that's like 4ipm?
07:39 PM _unreal_: ahh..
07:39 PM _unreal_: ya
07:39 PM _unreal_: 4.5
07:39 PM Tom_L: omfg
07:40 PM _unreal_: well considering what I'm working with for a cnc machine thats screaming when it comes to metal
07:40 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I have put:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c0137e355128cd0b354fe093643d09ffd6971a54)
07:40 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: On stepgen i took 18759
07:40 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: On stepgenmaxacel i took 1500
07:40 PM Tom_L: is this config for mm or inch?
07:40 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Mm
07:41 PM Tom_L: dude, you're losing me :)
07:41 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Well its the A axis
07:41 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: So its all in degree/sec and mm2/sec
07:41 PM Tom_L: yeah
07:41 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Unless you guys use gallons/feet lol
07:41 PM Tom_L: i just set up an A axis
07:42 PM Tom_L: absolutely!
07:42 PM Tom_L: it's the only way!!!
07:42 PM Tom_L: is this a mill or lathe?
07:42 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: One servo
07:42 PM _unreal_: LOL
07:43 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Basically i want to spin my servo up to 300 rpm with high precision
07:43 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, what is the machine
07:43 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Fun
07:43 PM _unreal_: what are you desining your constrle files for
07:43 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: It will be a lathe one day
07:43 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: But not today
07:43 PM _unreal_: ?
07:44 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i want to spin my servo up to 300 rpm with high precision
07:44 PM _unreal_: is it one of those hybrid lathe/milling machines
07:44 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Thats it
07:44 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Not quite
07:44 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, got any pictures
07:44 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Yes but they dont go over well
07:44 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Its 2:28 lol i gotta hop off soon
07:48 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, what Tom_L and I are getting at is they we are having a bit of a challange solving what your direct is that you need to go. not knowing what your machine is
07:48 PM _unreal_: how its setup.
07:48 PM _unreal_: what are where your trying to trouble shoot for. need more details
07:49 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Its one servo set up in step/dir mode
07:49 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Its on port 4 (step 3) on the board
07:49 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Configured as a axis
07:49 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I got the error
07:50 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Hm2/hm2_7i95.0: stepgen.03maxvel is too big for current step timings and pisition scale
07:50 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: s/pisition/position/
07:51 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Stepgen maxvel is 18759.00
07:51 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Is that really too much? My arduino can do more
07:52 PM _unreal_: so its a servo to drive a lathe chuck
07:52 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Yes
07:52 PM _unreal_: FINALLY
07:53 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: But not actually
07:53 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Lets just say it is
07:53 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Serves the same purpose
07:53 PM Tom_L: the velocity is probably per period
07:53 PM Tom_L: i haven't set up a servo system
07:54 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: It works the same as a stepper
07:54 PM Tom_L: if you're gonna manually edit the config you should understand what it does
07:54 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html
07:54 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Whats dirsetup?
07:54 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: And dirhold
07:55 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Step len and step space? As well as stepscale
07:55 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I all except stepscale at 590
07:56 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, do you have a motor/servo controller that takes care of the step control of the servo?
07:56 PM _unreal_: and only has step/dir inputs
07:56 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Yes
07:56 PM _unreal_: ok so you need only to solve for trajectory
07:57 PM _unreal_: and degrees per step
07:57 PM Tom_L: Tarehjerne1563[m, read those pages and you won't need to ask as much
07:58 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I will have a read thanks
07:58 PM Tom_L: what you're looking for will mostly be in the axis, joint, traj sections
07:58 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Before i go can i ask
07:58 PM Tom_L: you just did :)
07:58 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Is possible to run at 2500 rpm?
07:59 PM Tom_L: i don't see why not
07:59 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Nice
07:59 PM Tom_L: what's the limit on the servo?
07:59 PM _unreal_: and the gearing if any
07:59 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Servo is rated at 2500
07:59 PM _unreal_: rpm at the chuck? or rpm of the servo
07:59 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: It has no limit
08:00 PM Tom_L: well there you go
08:00 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: The controller can take it to 7k
08:00 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: But in step/dir mode?
08:00 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Idk
08:00 PM _unreal_: if the servo is rated for 2500 rpm is likely wont even run any faster
08:00 PM _unreal_: is it BLDC?
08:00 PM _unreal_: or brushed
08:00 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: AC servo, so just a bldc?
08:00 PM _unreal_: BLDC ok
08:01 PM _unreal_: ya if the servo is rated for 2500 RPM. does not matter what the controller can do it WILL not go over 2500
08:01 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Yes it will
08:02 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: The guy i bought it from overdrives his to 4k
08:02 PM _unreal_: :S
08:02 PM _unreal_: they are brushless your just fucking the magnets by over powering them
08:03 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: They arent rated for it no
08:03 PM roycroft: well it turns out my bus is being occupied by a big opossum
08:03 PM roycroft: who did not want to leave
08:04 PM roycroft: when i uncovered it it played 'possum, and stayed that way until i finally finished what i was doing
08:04 PM roycroft: i left the door ajar, and hope it leaves tonight
08:04 PM roycroft: otherwise it's forced eviction time tomorrow
08:04 PM Tom_L: no roycroft what will happen is it will invite the rest of it's family since you have an open door policy
08:04 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Every time you write ‘ i see &apos; lol
08:05 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, lol
08:05 PM _unreal_: 40min left on this facing process :(
08:05 PM Tom_L: you should share your pizza with it so it feels welcome
08:05 PM _unreal_: cant wait till I upgrade to the new cnc machine with the 1.5kw
08:05 PM _unreal_: will be SOOOOO much better then this 300 watt .3kw spindle
08:06 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, i tried a .375 bit on mine the other day, full width ~.125 deep @ 20ipm
08:06 PM Tom_L: like butter
08:07 PM roycroft: well it's time to make dinner, so i left the critter an option to leave
08:07 PM roycroft: although it's kind of passed outish at the moment
08:08 PM _unreal_: roycroft, already ahead of you been in the oven for about 30min
08:08 PM roycroft: three hours ahead of me, to be precise
08:08 PM _unreal_: always am
08:08 PM roycroft: which means you're 2 1/2 hours beind me, correcting for the proper timezone
08:09 PM _unreal_: ahh.... O,o your WAY west of me. how could I be behind you..
08:09 PM XXCoder: Tarehjerne1563[m: its a bridge issue but not too bad
08:09 PM Tom_L: i think they should implement daylight savings in 20min increments and move them closer together
08:09 PM XXCoder: 30 minutes would be fine
08:10 PM Tom_L: them being the timezones
08:10 PM XXCoder: 20 to 30 is bit too small difference
08:10 PM Tom_L: no
08:10 PM _unreal_: I hate dayline savings time
08:10 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: a bridgle issue, which in normal words would be?
08:10 PM Tom_L: 23 min...
08:10 PM roycroft: i think we should get rid of daylight so-called "saving" time
08:10 PM Tom_L: heh
08:10 PM roycroft: it's actually daylight shifting time
08:10 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: on an arduino the ports cant open and close fast enough
08:10 PM Tom_L: im not opposed to that
08:10 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: is that the same story here?
08:10 PM XXCoder: roy already voted in COW states
08:10 PM Tom_L: Tarehjerne1563[m, i doubt it
08:10 PM XXCoder: waiting for senate and stuff to acceprt
08:10 PM roycroft: yeah
08:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Does anyone have any settings they would use to let me send a very fast pulse to this?
08:11 PM Tom_L: nope
08:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: when i used tone(13, 10000, 1000) on the arduino
08:11 PM roycroft: but the problem is, the congress does nothing except rile up the respective congressional reps' respective base on divisive wedge issues
08:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: it spun one time and used one second to do so
08:11 PM roycroft: yet not actually pass an of the wedge issue legislation
08:11 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: so i have 10k steps/rev
08:12 PM Tom_L: don't compare linuxcnc to an arduino please
08:12 PM Tom_L: completely different animals
08:12 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: yes they are
08:12 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: arduinos suck
08:12 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: i used it to test wiring before i fried my board
08:12 PM Tom_L: arduino is just a set of bloated libraries
08:12 PM Tom_L: stuffed on a poor avr
08:12 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: its 3$
08:13 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: you get what you pay for
08:13 PM roycroft: arduino is just an embedded processor platform that lets clueless people play and occasionaly make something work
08:13 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: again, i used it to run the servo a little, and test the wiring
08:13 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: if i shorted 24v through that mesa i would be very sad
08:14 PM Tom_L: yeah, they're getting harder to obtain
08:14 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Arduinos are a toy, its for children so they can programming, nothing wrong with that. but when people start using them in cnc it gets cringey
08:14 PM Tom_L: due to chip shortages n all
08:15 PM Tom_L: they can successfully run a cnc but are quite limited
08:15 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: people who use arduinos in cnc machines are saying : "i dont want to learn anything new" or thats my take on it anyways
08:15 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: very limited
08:15 PM Tom_L: grbl
08:16 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, it is very limited but it also has its place.
08:16 PM _unreal_: Tarehjerne1563[m, for example laser it makes perfect sense.
08:17 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Does it though?
08:17 PM _unreal_: yes
08:17 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Maybe a tiny laser but the lasers i have seen run on siemens control
08:17 PM _unreal_: very simple.
08:18 PM Tom_L: they wouldn't need to
08:18 PM Tom_L: but it's more industrial rated
08:18 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Good to see im not the only one messing up tomorrow Cederb
08:19 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: I need to sleep before its too late good night
08:19 PM Tom_L: where are you?
08:19 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Norway
08:19 PM Cederb4854[m]: I wouldn't run any laser on a grbl board if i could avoid it, maybe one of those tiny diode lasers
08:19 PM _unreal_: I work with a guy from norway
08:19 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Same lol
08:20 PM Tom_L: atmel is up there ya know
08:20 PM Tom_L: was
08:20 PM _unreal_: a lot of laser controllers are STM32
08:20 PM _unreal_: stm32 based
08:20 PM Tom_L: i did a project with a guy that interned at atmel Norway
08:20 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I'm milling some of the last parts right now for my new BIG cnc machine
08:20 PM _unreal_: >:)
08:21 PM Tom_L: he said it was too cold up ther
08:22 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, how do those bits like facing parts?
08:22 PM t4nk_freenode: _unreal_, my own build is taking some shape
08:22 PM Tom_L: t4nk_freenode, good shape or bad shape?
08:22 PM t4nk_freenode: lol
08:22 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, ?
08:22 PM t4nk_freenode: what can I say ;)
08:23 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I'm just using Harbor freiht upcut bits I have
08:23 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, are they center cutting?
08:23 PM _unreal_: no
08:23 PM _unreal_: just flat
08:23 PM Tom_L: so no plunge cuts
08:23 PM _unreal_: two flute
08:23 PM _unreal_: not if I want it to dance all around
08:23 PM Tom_L: no ramping
08:23 PM _unreal_: ramping is ok
08:23 PM _unreal_: slow ramping
08:23 PM _unreal_: well on my machine
08:24 PM Tom_L: i got a few new bits a while back
08:24 PM Tom_L: been pretty happy with em
08:24 PM _unreal_: these HF bits are ok... ISH.
08:24 PM _unreal_: they cut aluminum just fine
08:24 PM _unreal_: but they are "sold" as for milling machines
08:25 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cutters/Lakeshore_vs_Online1.jpg
08:25 PM Tom_L: the online are cheaper and do just as well as the lakeshore
08:25 PM Tom_L: .125 thru .375
08:26 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cutters/Carbide_rougher4.jpg
08:26 PM _unreal_: as I stated many times. WHEN I escape this house I'll build the "BIG" machine with the new parts I have
08:26 PM Tom_L: the rougher eats alum like a kid eating a candybar
08:26 PM _unreal_: with the nice 2.2kw spindle etc....
08:27 PM Tom_L: i found the 1.2kw i have is just right
08:27 PM Tom_L: won't bog down and keeps up with the limits of the rest of the machine great
08:28 PM _unreal_: hum
08:28 PM _unreal_: is yours water cooled?
08:28 PM Tom_L: nope
08:28 PM _unreal_: ok..
08:28 PM Tom_L: max rpm is 5500 though
08:28 PM Tom_L: not 50000
08:28 PM _unreal_: mine is. that will be an other thing I'm trying to figure how how I'm going to rig
08:28 PM _unreal_: mines 24krpm
08:30 PM Tom_L: the lower rpm makes it more versatile
08:30 PM roycroft: i'm going to make my router run at ONE MILLION rpms
08:30 PM Tom_L: i think you should
08:30 PM roycroft: *vroooooooooooom*
08:30 PM Tom_L: just don't use HF cutters
08:31 PM Tom_L: or you may be eating them... literally
08:31 PM roycroft: at that speed a blade fo grass would be effective as a cutter, if it does not lose its integrity
08:31 PM roycroft: so as long as the grass does not run for office, it will be fine
08:33 PM Tom_L: my kid runs a 2" shell mill at those speeds at his work as a 'rougher'
08:33 PM _unreal_: its interesting. there are a number of "chucks" missing from this plate I'm facting. so I filled them with JB wheld
08:33 PM _unreal_: weld
08:33 PM _unreal_: not big chucks but digs
08:33 PM _unreal_: and just on one edge
08:33 PM _unreal_: so the machine gets real quiet every time it tarts cutting them hehe
08:33 PM Tom_L: probably dulls the cutter too
08:46 PM t4nk_freenode: well, Tom_L,... pretty nice shape really, I'd say
08:47 PM t4nk_freenode: I can fit the old z-axis back on now
08:47 PM t4nk_freenode: and I'm extremely happy with the rigidity
08:47 PM t4nk_freenode: really a different class from the previous build
08:53 PM t4nk_freenode: though the bad news is that I'm developing a tic for pulling the axes ;)
08:59 PM _unreal_: doing a second pass at 400mm/min switched it to peel method from parallel. and going to eat din.
09:00 PM _unreal_: running it at the same depth but cleaning up any chatter
09:04 PM roycroft: i guess i have to make sense of solidworks drawings tonight
09:04 PM roycroft: i can't build my cabinets from just a 3d model
09:04 PM XXCoder: sure you can
09:04 PM XXCoder: just 3d print it
09:05 PM roycroft: some day, perhaps, we'll be able to genetically modify trees to grow into the shapes we need for our parts
09:06 PM roycroft: i decided that roasted garlic would be nice on my pizza tonight
09:06 PM roycroft: that may have been a mistake
09:06 PM roycroft: roasting the garlic is adding a half hour to the process
09:06 PM Alicrow-phone: Does anyone know how signalling works for rotary encoders? Is it continuity to 0V or to 5V?
09:06 PM roycroft: and the whole house smells like roasted garlic, making me hungrier
09:11 PM pcw-home: most quadrature rotary encoders used on motors use 5V single ended or differential signaling (though 24V signaling is used occasionally)
09:12 PM pcw-home: Some are open collector
09:16 PM Alicrow-phone: So does that mean the a/b/index signals get continuity to 5V?
09:18 PM Alicrow-phone: My 7i40 seems to be responding to that, and not to continuity to 0V, but it also turns on all these red lights which kinda worries me...
09:25 PM enleth: roycroft: having a pizza with garlic on it right now, this is absolutely a good idea
09:25 PM roycroft: the pizza is finally in the oven
09:25 PM roycroft: and i'm sure it will be worth the wait
09:27 PM pcw-home: The 7I40 can use single ended (or differential) 5V signaling (so ~ 0 to 5V signals on A,B,Z)
09:28 PM pcw-home: Red lights on a 7I40 indicate overcurrent, overvoltage or overtempertature
09:35 PM Alicrow-phone: Weird it only happens when I short B to 5V, not when I shorted A to 5V
09:39 PM Alicrow-phone: Anyway, I'm getting nothing out of the old encoders on this machine. Found some glass scales online, and it looks like they use the same quadrature output as rotary encoders? Sounds like a much better system.
09:40 PM Tom_L: did you try pullups?
09:45 PM Alicrow-phone: No
09:55 PM _unreal_: almost done with the second round of facing
09:57 PM Alicrow-phone: Also, my wife is insisting that we need to have tachometers (not just encoders), in order to know what the motor is doing.
09:58 PM roycroft: then you had better put volt meters and ammeters on each motor as well :)
10:06 PM Tom_L: and hall sensors
10:08 PM roycroft: i think i'd rather know more about how much power a motor is using than exactly how fast it's turning
10:08 PM roycroft: especially when i have multiple motors sharing a common power supply
10:14 PM _unreal_: amazing what a difference that made
10:14 PM _unreal_: just set a straight edge to it. VERY straight
10:15 PM _unreal_: sigh... now I need to design the alignment setup
10:15 PM _unreal_: for the rails
10:15 PM _unreal_: so I can go and drill holes
10:15 PM _unreal_: going to do like a 98% depth drilling
10:15 PM _unreal_: finish all of the holes on the drill press
10:16 PM _unreal_: that way I dont foul the base working board of my cnc machine
10:16 PM _unreal_: considering I have it glued down with tape and super glue
10:16 PM _unreal_: the plate that is
10:17 PM _unreal_: I am considering doing like a 98% depth cut remove and clean up on the bench grinder/wire wheel
10:17 PM _unreal_: hum
10:26 PM roycroft: i should have roasted two heads of garlic, not one
10:27 PM roycroft: but otherwise the pizza was excellent
10:43 PM humanbean: hey, can anyone find it in the goodness in their hearts to give me a hand with something?
10:44 PM humanbean: i'm trying to find a way to transfer a cnc file from a rpi or something similar to the machine controller via rs232, not dripfeed, but load the program into memory
10:44 PM humanbean: could anyone in here point me in the right direction?
10:49 PM TurBoss: humanbean: just found this https://github.com/wesparish/OpenDNC
10:49 PM cradek: this is just transferring a file over serial, right? don't worry about into memory. the lrzsz package is programs that do zmodem.
10:50 PM cradek: but frankly a network connection would be much easier, better, faster
10:50 PM roycroft: or sneakernet
10:50 PM humanbean: yeah, i've had this job for 3 days and before this the most ive done is ran a multicam router lmao
10:51 PM humanbean: as soon as my boss found out i know my way around a computer he got me to do this and he wants it done yesterday
10:51 PM humanbean: for some reason he has a serious aversion to dripfeeding so i have to find a way to load a program onto a cnc machine's controller (so it handles it as it would a file from the memory card slot)
10:52 PM humanbean: i have genuinely no idea how to transfer a file over serial to a machine
10:52 PM TurBoss: what machine?
10:52 PM cradek: if you want it done yesterday put the pi away, get a real computer, and use a network
10:52 PM TurBoss: +1
10:53 PM roycroft: an rpi has a network interface
10:53 PM humanbean: well what he wants is a little weird and the closest i can get to what he wants is for him to drag and drop the cnc file onto a shared folder via samba on the pi
10:53 PM humanbean: and then the pi hands it off to the machine
10:53 PM cradek: what machine? give us the whole story here
10:53 PM humanbean: i can deal with everything before the getting it to the machine part
10:53 PM humanbean: thats a weird answer cause he wants this on all of them
10:54 PM humanbean: the one im doing first is a takisawa lathe with one of those fanuc controllers that runs windows95
10:54 PM cradek: if you've got some old control with a serial port that's the unknown
10:54 PM cradek: oh jeez I'm changing my answer to I have no idea
10:54 PM * roycroft notes that the critical bit of information has been requested multiple times and ignored each time
10:54 PM cradek: I thought you were doing rpi -> linuxcnc on linux
10:54 PM humanbean: a takisawa tmm-200 with a fanuc 180is-TB
10:54 PM roycroft: oh, there is the answer
10:55 PM cradek: you're gonna have to find out what that control needs over the serial to load a program.
10:55 PM cradek: then do that with the rpi
10:55 PM TurBoss: https://github.com/AnirudhPal/OpenDNC
10:55 PM humanbean: im trying to figure this out without access to an rpi or the machine lmao
10:56 PM humanbean: 3 days on the job man, this is a nightmare
10:56 PM hypersleepmonolo: if you cant experiment with the machine's controller, you should tell your boss to forget about it
10:57 PM humanbean: he's acting really weird about it
10:57 PM cradek: this project will require broad knowledge in unix sysadmin, unix programming, serial ports, and particular infomration about those controls (some might be found at TurBoss's link). if you are not the right person, say so, quit while you're ahead
10:58 PM humanbean: i can do unix stuff just fine
10:58 PM humanbean: just getting the program to the machine is the hard part
10:58 PM cradek: yeah
10:58 PM humanbean: there isnt even any documentation on this controller lmao
10:58 PM cradek: each one will be different
10:58 PM humanbean: i mean hell its running Windows 98, i'd have an easier time running rise of the triad on it than i would a cnc file apparently
10:58 PM cradek: tell your boss to call up the service dept and get what you need :-)
10:58 PM humanbean: not an option unfortunately
10:59 PM humanbean: but i might call the reseller
10:59 PM humanbean: after im done with the takisawa i have to do the same on a nakamura luck-bei and then after that an okuma lb15
11:00 PM humanbean: my only break here is that most of them are running fanuc controllers
11:00 PM humanbean: genuinely losing my mind
11:00 PM cradek: apparently some use xmodem
11:01 PM roycroft: if the machine has a serial port there will likely be a way to transfer files via that port
11:01 PM roycroft: but you really need the controller documentation to learn how to do that
11:01 PM roycroft: on the rpi end it should be pretty straightforward
11:01 PM roycroft: assuming it's running raspbian or something similar
11:02 PM humanbean: yeah fanuc doesn't release manuals online apparently
11:02 PM humanbean: yeah i just have no idea what i have to do to get the pi to send a program over serial and then get the machine to accept that program
11:02 PM roycroft: well the correct thing to do is to tell your new boss that you need the manual
11:02 PM humanbean: this is true
11:02 PM humanbean: i might call fanuc whenever i can and ask if they can help me out
11:03 PM humanbean: as for the nakamura luck bei i am probably SOL cause that thing is running proprietary everything
11:03 PM humanbean: the boot screen is a kabuki painting
11:03 PM humanbean: that isnt related i just find it funny
11:03 PM roycroft: on the rpi, you can get a usb to rs232 converter and install something like kermit to transfer the files
11:04 PM humanbean: okay, kermit, alright i'll look that up
11:04 PM roycroft: but first you have to find out how the cnc controller receives files
11:04 PM cradek: study TurBoss's link
11:04 PM cradek: read all that code
11:04 PM cradek: xmodem is involved for at least some, no mention of kermit so far I've seen
11:04 PM * TurBoss uploaded an image: (50KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/RwcvZopFkFjoXWeEQiPMzOma/image.png >
11:05 PM * roycroft suggests chilling until monday, and then asking the boss to get the documentation
11:05 PM TurBoss: looks promissing
11:05 PM humanbean: it does, thanks
11:05 PM humanbean: ugh and im doing all this on some old thinkpad cause i had to RMA my laptop and asus isnt giving it back cause they "ran out of spares"
11:05 PM TurBoss: 😲
11:05 PM roycroft: minicom is another *nix app that can talk to serial ports
11:06 PM humanbean: thanks i'm writing all of this down atm
11:07 PM roycroft: but really, you need to find out what the controller expects first
11:07 PM roycroft: nothing matters until you know that
11:08 PM humanbean: the only info i have on the controller is like, the baud rate for the serial port and stuff like that
11:08 PM humanbean: all the stuff he needed to drip feed the program
11:08 PM humanbean: i just have no idea what the difference is between how programs drip feed and transfer
11:08 PM * roycroft doesn't know what drip feeding is, so can't help there
11:09 PM TurBoss: there are windows tools that have profiles for each machine like cimco8(tm)
11:09 PM humanbean: he has some really ghetto crack of cimco that barely works
11:09 PM humanbean: but it might be worth exploring that option anyway
11:09 PM TurBoss: but mostly is just the port serttings
11:09 PM humanbean: yeah he has the port settings thank god
11:10 PM roycroft: port settings are usually pretty easy to figure out
11:10 PM roycroft: it is always nice to know them up front
11:11 PM TurBoss: other issues could be if the program fits on controllers internal storage
11:11 PM humanbean: it should
11:11 PM humanbean: it does usually load via pcmcia but it has to have some space reserved for that sort of thing
11:12 PM humanbean: anyways i'm going to go to bed, call fanuc tomorrow and maybe do a blood sacrifice to some ancient computer god
11:12 PM humanbean: thankyou so much for the help guys seriously
11:12 PM TurBoss: 🙂
11:13 PM TurBoss: hapy to hel
11:13 PM TurBoss: * hapy to help
11:13 PM TurBoss: * happy to help
11:13 PM humanbean: i wish you all less wear on your inserts and endmills <3
11:14 PM * roycroft doubts fanuc will answer tomorrow
11:23 PM _unreal_: so working on my z axis design
11:26 PM _unreal_: so looks like I will safely have about 6" of Z on this new machine
11:29 PM Tom_L: mmm he left
11:29 PM Tom_L: roycroft, drip feeding is DNC
11:29 PM Tom_L: and realterm does ALL things serial
11:30 PM Tom_L: some of those old machines use some odd serial settings
11:31 PM Tom_L: 4800 N 7 2 with a bunch of waits between characters was one i did with realterm
11:32 PM Tom_L: he knew the serial settings and with that it's nearly a done deal
11:32 PM Tom_L: jumper the port a little and off it goes
11:34 PM Tom_L: drip feeding does require some sort of handshaking though. be it soft or wired
11:36 PM Tom_L: usually xon xoff or RTS/CTS
11:36 PM roycroft: so you basically cat a file to the controller
11:36 PM Tom_L: ack nak
11:36 PM roycroft: and let the controller handle flow control
11:37 PM Tom_L: pretty much
11:37 PM roycroft: that makes sense
11:37 PM Tom_L: when it can accept more the signal is sent
11:37 PM Tom_L: just like a print job basically
11:38 PM Tom_L: i used to know the hardware pins but memory fades if you don't use it
11:38 PM roycroft: same here
11:38 PM Tom_L: 6 8 20, 4 5 possibly
11:38 PM Tom_L: 2 3 were crossed
11:38 PM Tom_L: depending if it was 9 or 25 pin
11:38 PM roycroft: that's why i store that stuff in files that i keep track of
11:39 PM roycroft: i don't remember the content, but i remember where to find the files
11:39 PM Tom_L: i have notes too
11:39 PM Tom_L: you just don't see much of it anymore
11:39 PM roycroft: i still work with rs-232 on a daily basis
11:39 PM Tom_L: we ran some pretty big files that would require it on a couple machines
11:40 PM * roycroft was just logged into a console server that has serial connections to the machines a few minutes ago
11:41 PM Tom_L: with handshaking or just full blast let er fly?
11:41 PM roycroft: hardware flow control
11:41 PM roycroft: but they're just console connections
11:41 PM roycroft: 9600 baud
11:42 PM roycroft: and interative sessions
11:42 PM roycroft: i could do it with no flow control and i'd be fine
11:43 PM Tom_L: on that 4800 baud one, we knew the settings but it was still feeding too fast
11:43 PM Tom_L: so i had to add waits between characters
11:43 PM Tom_L: realterm lets you do just about anything you need