May 05 2022
12:33 AM roycroft: oh my god, it is time for dogs and cats to live together in harmony
12:41 AM roycroft: abom just bought a cnc lathe
12:41 AM XXCoder: huh
12:43 AM roycroft: he likes shapers
12:43 AM XXCoder: ah yes shapers.
12:43 AM roycroft: youtube has been very good to him
12:43 AM roycroft: he started his channel years ago, when he had a full-time job
12:44 AM XXCoder: man its riciously powerful. i can see tool move up and down though
12:44 AM roycroft: after a while he was able quit his job and made his living from his home shop and his youtube videos
12:44 AM roycroft: he's moving into a new shop now, and is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on machines for it
12:44 AM XXCoder: nice
12:45 AM XXCoder: 2 clicks and I can get rss feed for it lol
12:45 AM MrSunshine: i just love how helpfull some people are .. asked about the spindle on facebook .. and got "send it to a professional" ... well thanks ...
12:45 AM XXCoder: i have grown to hate youtube suggestions and stuff
12:45 AM roycroft: i like his old videos best, i think
12:45 AM XXCoder: they stopped sending emails
12:45 AM XXCoder: so I said fuk it and go rss
12:45 AM roycroft: when he was at his job
12:45 AM XXCoder: then youtube removed rss feeds from youtube channels list
12:46 AM roycroft: he would do things like turn 20' long shafts at that job
12:46 AM XXCoder: I made plugin to go directly from user page to rss feed
12:46 AM XXCoder: whhhhy is tool moving so much on return
12:46 AM XXCoder: I really dont like look of that
12:47 AM XXCoder: it must be huge force, his finishing cut, I can see vise moving
12:48 AM roycroft: yeah, he likes to make big chips
12:48 AM XXCoder: I would be concerned with wear and tear
12:54 AM XXCoder: rss feed is https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCw3UZn1tcVe7pH3R6C3Gcng btw
01:03 AM roycroft: i just got a notification from ups that the filament that i ordered last week and was told shipped last friday was picked up today
01:03 AM roycroft: i'm not impressed with that
01:03 AM XXCoder: gst3d?
01:03 AM roycroft: i don't mind when something doesn't ship right away
01:03 AM roycroft: yes
01:04 AM roycroft: but i do mind when they tell me it has shipped and it hasn't
01:04 AM roycroft: i don't need it right away
01:05 AM roycroft: i've actually stopped printing boxes for now - i need to print heaps of them, but i have enough already that finding a place to store them is becoming a problem
01:05 AM roycroft: so i think i'll wait until i get the new storage cabinets built, and then go to town printing boxes
01:05 AM XXCoder: makes sense
01:06 AM XXCoder: got pics of bunch of boxes?
01:06 AM XXCoder: curious lol
01:06 AM roycroft: i posted one a while back
01:06 AM roycroft: the next-to-final design
01:07 AM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Fastener-Boxes.jpeg
01:07 AM roycroft: there
01:08 AM XXCoder: nice indeed
01:08 AM roycroft: they will be very functional
01:10 AM XXCoder: my project was pretty simple
01:10 AM XXCoder: bathtub drain cover
01:10 AM XXCoder: it functioned very very well, dispute not having any silicone or rubber gaskets or anything
01:10 AM roycroft: my box design is pretty simple
01:10 AM roycroft: but the difference is, you don't have 1500 bathtubs :)
01:10 AM XXCoder: indeed lol
01:30 AM Loetmichel: Hmm... Radio just said: The reason for the power outage yesterday was that 12 substations simultaneously gone off-grid. whole city dark. Reason: unknown, to be investigated.
01:32 AM xxcoder8265[m]: concerning
01:39 AM roycroft: i found out the reason for the power outage we had yesterday (that did not affect me)
01:39 AM roycroft: someone pushed the wrong button in the substation
01:39 AM XXCoder: geez
01:44 AM * TurBoss uploaded an image: (399KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/KmbXhgmWYwsfQYOwwGDBxDOO/reactorcat.gif >
02:12 AM randy: morning
03:03 AM Deejay: moin
03:48 AM xxcoder8265[m]: HAH https://www.reddit.com/r/Machinists/comments/uispjg/_/
04:48 AM Tom_L: morning
05:05 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:43 AM JT-Cave: tried to update master on this debian 11 pc and it broke linuxcnc and apt removed it what a morning
08:16 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:32 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:32 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:48 AM pcw-home: That's nice, got a add from Microsemi Inc. suggesting we change from Spartan 6 FPGAs to MicroSemi Igloo2 since the have a 55 week leadtime instead of Spartan6's 99 week leadtime
09:48 AM randy: which is nearly the half :)
09:48 AM randy: seems like a good option :)
10:04 AM enleth: only half as shitty
10:23 AM FinboySlick: The hill of progress is getting steeper.
10:44 AM roycroft: does the hill of progress involve sweet, clean burning propane (and propane accessories)?
10:58 AM FinboySlick: roycroft: Only if you're the king.
10:58 AM roguish[m]: of the hill
11:00 AM roycroft: yeeeeeup
11:01 AM FinboySlick: I ought to watch that. I really like what Mike Judge makes.
11:01 AM FinboySlick: Silicon Valley was such a treat.
11:03 AM roycroft: i liked king of the hill a lot
11:03 AM FinboySlick: roycroft: If you haven't seen Silicon Valley, I strongly recommend.
11:03 AM roycroft: i haven't
11:03 AM roycroft: i'll check it out
11:12 AM roycroft: sweet
11:13 AM roycroft: i'm getting a new router today for my project next week, and i need a special cutter for it, which was scheduled to arrive mid-week
11:13 AM roycroft: i just found out it is due to arrive on saturday of this week
11:13 AM roycroft: i could use it on monday, so this will be perfect
11:15 AM roycroft: i just wish it was not raining cats and dogs today
11:24 AM XXCoder: raining here also
11:26 AM roycroft: i have my trip over the mountains today
11:26 AM roycroft: that's why i'm unhappy about the rain
12:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: FinboySlick: HBO cancelled his two new series before they started one was about how they discover a gene that makes people assholes, and the other poked fun at Amazon
01:54 PM roycroft: but maybe the answer to that is a miniature, precision gps-like system
01:54 PM roycroft: or maybe some laser locators
01:54 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/wood-rack/
01:55 PM roycroft: something external that would locate the cutter, not something the cutter would use to locate the workpiece
01:55 PM roycroft: that's great, jt-shop
01:55 PM roycroft: i love well-made 2x4 furniture/fixtures/whatever
01:59 PM andypugh: I would love a shaper origin, but my “stupidly expensive things that I really have no use for” budget has been blown on a Prusa XL already :-)
02:01 PM JT-Shop2: used my segment jig with and adapter to cut the tapered pins
02:02 PM roycroft: andupugh: i do want one, but at one point i was thinking of getting one and not building a cnc router
02:02 PM roycroft: that's the decision i'm glad i did not make
02:25 PM andypugh: With the Prusa XL, I have been thinking about making a large format core-XY printer for several years. And I still could. But them it occurred to me that I _haven’t_
02:27 PM CloudEvil: Thinking about your maybe project pile is strictly forbidden.
02:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: well you did complete the near-a-car
02:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and the motorcycle lift
02:33 PM andypugh: Oh, I do eventually complete some projects, I am even getting within sight of finishing pointing the barn: https://photos.app.goo.gl/iud8SUrfhvaJbHBh6
02:35 PM andypugh: (World’s silliest barn doors…. They had a gap at the top for ventialation, but the floor was ramped up for loading. My dad lowered the floor, but not the doors.
02:35 PM * JT-Shop2 ponders how to connect the front and back sections of the rack...
02:36 PM Rab: They're just saloon doors: http://interiorexteriordoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/saloon-doors-1.jpg
02:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: is that barn near the house with the 700 year old beams?
02:37 PM andypugh: Yes. It’s the spare house and attached barn. It was starting to look like it was actually falling down…
02:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: so Andy just needs a liquor license and he can leave the doors alone?
02:37 PM Tom_L: after how many hundreds of years?
02:38 PM Rab: CaptHindsight[m], maybe a hat and some six-shooters.
02:38 PM andypugh: Yeah, they do look like the world’s biggest saloon doors.
02:38 PM andypugh: Front of house: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WGug43vyUqLQNaaV6
02:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: western style British Pub
02:39 PM andypugh: When we started (this was the daunting wall) https://photos.app.goo.gl/WGug43vyUqLQNaaV6
02:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: has it always been occupied? I think you mentioned some of its past was not residential
02:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: OT: going to use QEMU + KVM to run winders on Linux, anything in the setup that you wished you did vs learning the hard way and having to re-install?
02:43 PM andypugh: Close to completed: https://photos.app.goo.gl/qqyfQcyAQycUdorm7
02:43 PM andypugh: This house/barn was occupoed at some time in the past. But I would guess not in the last 100 years.
02:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: being an uhmerican, anything much over 100 years old is ancient
02:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and the homes made today fall apart in 20-40 years
02:46 PM andypugh: These are the (possibly) 700 year old beams: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pptwUNs21t6HDmfB9
02:47 PM andypugh: (but only the diagonal ones up to the ridge, the rest of the wood there is no more than 30 years old)
02:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.radiocarbon.com/ams-dating-wood.htm
02:52 PM andypugh: There is a bark surface, so dendrochronolgy would be better.
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: expensive to find out?
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and can they examine the beams without destroying any of it?
02:54 PM CloudEvil: dendrochronology in principle could even be done from pictures
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.tree-ring.co.uk/Services.htm
02:56 PM andypugh: Yes, just found them. But am I £780 interested?
02:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: heh, after you win the next lottery
03:03 PM JT-Shop2: PM 15HH scheduled to ship May 20th but subject to change :(
05:32 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, a few more photos of the wood rack... https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/wood-rack/
05:33 PM XXCoder: vry nicely done!
05:33 PM XXCoder: I like that sled tgoo
05:34 PM JT-Shop: the one I used to cut the tapered pins?
05:34 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:34 PM XXCoder: set angle and cut away
05:35 PM JT-Shop: I made an adapter for it, it's my segment sled for bowls
05:35 PM XXCoder: nice! been making bowls?
05:36 PM XXCoder: watching videos of turning bowls is awesome. I wont do it myself, using lathe like that scares me lol
05:38 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/bowls/
05:39 PM JT-Shop: it takes practice for sure, I sucked for quite a while then one day I could turn without catching
05:40 PM XXCoder: cat spotted
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: Woody doing a cat scan
05:42 PM JT-Shop2: I made two of the bowls for my sisters
05:45 PM XXCoder: nice indeed
05:46 PM JT-Shop2: I had to stop and make a rack for wood... it was piling up everywhere lol
05:47 PM XXCoder: and it uses some wood, partially solving it too lol
05:55 PM JT-Shop2: I actually only had 1 2x4, I had to buy 10 to make the rack
05:55 PM XXCoder: lol ok
05:55 PM JT-Shop2: I put hardwood on the rack like red oak, white oak, hickory and some other special woods
06:04 PM JT-Shop2: done building it...
06:04 PM XXCoder: thats nice. it does look good
06:06 PM JT-Shop2: thanks, I'm a bit proud of it :)
06:06 PM JT-Shop2: I had to search around the shop for the boards for the top and I had to have an arch :)
06:07 PM JT-Shop2: the real work is yet to happen, move all the red oak and put the rack in position and fill it up
06:08 PM XXCoder: yep the grunt work of haling stuff and organize
06:10 PM JT-Shop2: yep move stuff 3 times...
06:13 PM JT-Shop2: I'm really surprised how solid the rack is and how light it is
06:14 PM JT-Shop2: micro-greens on the salad tonight
06:14 PM JT-Shop2: finally got them to grow lol
06:15 PM XXCoder: whats micro-greens
06:15 PM XXCoder: algae?
06:16 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.trueleafmarket.com/collections/micro-greens-planting-seed/products/spicy-salad-mix-seed
06:16 PM JT-Shop2: that's what I'm growing, taste real good
06:17 PM XXCoder: you know youre getting old when companies brag about starting near your birthday year lol
06:17 PM XXCoder: its spicy>
06:17 PM XXCoder: ?
06:17 PM JT-Shop2: just a bit of kick
06:17 PM XXCoder: interesting
06:18 PM JT-Shop2: hah I'm 21 years older than them
06:18 PM XXCoder: lol
06:18 PM Tom_L: x is just a pup
06:18 PM JT-Shop2: I was surprised at the taste
06:19 PM JT-Shop2: I'm so old when I was born in a quansat hut in king salmon alaska was not a state yet
06:22 PM XXCoder: interesting
06:22 PM * JT-Shop2 wanders inside for the night
06:22 PM XXCoder: my growing up history was... interesting
06:22 PM XXCoder: from virtually no services to many things deaf can use to do things
06:23 PM JT-Shop2: dad administered the ether during the birth
06:23 PM XXCoder: my mom was worse, her childhood, many deaf schools disallowed sign language
06:23 PM JT-Shop2: that's nuts but hey they were a bit nuts back then
06:23 PM XXCoder: im not sure when deaf marrage stopped being illegal but it was
06:23 PM JT-Shop2: how did they communicate?
06:24 PM XXCoder: lipreading
06:24 PM XXCoder: "teaching deaf how to hear"
06:25 PM JT-Shop2: I had a deaf buddy in trade school, his roommate was blind and he was teaching him which sock was right and which was left...
06:25 PM XXCoder: alexander graham bell.
06:25 PM XXCoder: he worked hard to wipe out deaf culture
06:26 PM XXCoder: hes well known as phone inventor, deaf know him as something else
06:26 PM JT-Shop2: anyway time to wander inside for me
06:26 PM XXCoder: we have great programs for blind nowdays. I had short job at washington state school for blindl. that was interesting
06:26 PM XXCoder: ok
06:27 PM XXCoder: one thing you wont see nomrally, ceiling fan. (not normal ones, but one normally used on table or whatever)
06:27 PM XXCoder: its used as doorbell and bed alarm
06:29 PM Tom_L: rain gage shows 4" over the last couple days
06:31 PM XXCoder: raining here also
06:31 PM XXCoder: sucks. I planned to mow yeserday but having to go shop for food knocked me out
06:32 PM XXCoder: so too unwell to
06:35 PM XXCoder: permently dizzy really sucks
07:32 PM skunkworks: It drives!
07:33 PM Tom_L: yay
07:33 PM Tom_L: straight?
07:35 PM XXCoder: way to go
07:38 PM skunkworks: Strait - but I don't know if a rim is bent or the car sitting for 2 years I have some flat spotted tires
07:38 PM skunkworks: going to have my mechanic check it out (balance and align the car)
07:38 PM XXCoder: yeah if it sits too long it will have problems
07:38 PM XXCoder: tires need to flex sometimes to always work well
07:38 PM skunkworks: I have a 2nd set of tires for it - I might have him swap them out.
07:39 PM skunkworks: fun car.. Drove from my parents to home and the thing says it got 41mpg..
07:39 PM skunkworks: about 14 miles
07:40 PM skunkworks: t
07:41 PM skunkworks: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q1m3SgWk8PryxRzA6
07:41 PM Tom_L: nice
07:41 PM XXCoder: nice indeed
07:43 PM skunkworks: still missing odds and ends.. splash guard, grill, a few air bags...
07:46 PM Tom_L: once they roll off the lot, they all are
07:51 PM skunkworks: lol
07:52 PM skunkworks: kid at work thinks I should leave the roof liner out..
07:52 PM skunkworks: I don't think I am there yet.
07:53 PM Tom_L: just because his probably is..
07:53 PM Tom_L: or held up with thumb tacks
09:35 PM XXCoder: ugh doing yardwork while dizzy lol
09:40 PM Tom_L: where is 'volume' in sw?
09:40 PM Tom_L: need the geometric volume of an entity
09:44 PM Tom_L: found it
09:45 PM _unreal_: 30 ish min. left on cutting out the last MAJOR part
09:45 PM _unreal_: oh some good news. I got my plate I need for the Z
09:45 PM _unreal_: totally free
09:45 PM _unreal_: 14"x6" .5" thick
09:46 PM _unreal_: has a few chew marks in it. I just JBweld filled them today
09:46 PM _unreal_: over the weekend I'll put it on my cnc and FACE the surfaces
09:54 PM _unreal_: last pass
09:58 PM Thorhian7490[m]: I love how ever since IRC got bridged to the Discord server general has been way less focused on CNC stuff and machining. It’s good to have you guys from IRC.
09:59 PM XXCoder: qand generally, more people
09:59 PM _unreal_: ?
10:02 PM Tom_L: but the channel is dedicated to lcnc and cnc stuff..
10:02 PM XXCoder: bunch of people is discord only, or matrix only
10:03 PM _unreal_: never even new
10:03 PM Tom_L: new what?
10:04 PM Tom_L: the matrix/discord thing is fairly new
10:04 PM _unreal_: lcnc irc bridged to discord
10:04 PM Tom_L: it has yet to be proven reliable
10:04 PM XXCoder: discord is brand new. old discord server have been left behind. that one was 3 years old.
10:04 PM XXCoder: matrix no idea how old
10:05 PM Tom_L: i know element won't support 32bit
10:05 PM Tom_L: which is crap
10:06 PM Tom_L: you're stuck with the web interface
10:06 PM Tom_L: nothing about it could possibly need 64 bit
11:28 PM Thorhian7490[m]: Is element electron based?
11:29 PM XXCoder: yeah all elements, including alum and ti, has electrons ;)
11:29 PM XXCoder: kidding. dunno
11:32 PM CloudEvil: Technically, only sometimes have electrons
11:32 PM Thorhian7490[m]: Lol it is an electron application. It’s literally just a web browser packaged in a box to run the element chat app, just like discord, slacks, and MS Teams.
11:33 PM XXCoder: cloud true
11:37 PM Thorhian7490[m]: It would be pretty hard to strip all of the electrons of most elements I feel like.
11:40 PM CloudEvil: Indeed.