#linuxcnc Logs
May 03 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM roycroft: i told them a long time ago, like in february, when i got the last table, that i'd be willing to take it to a machine shop and have it ground flat if they'd pick up the tab
12:09 AM roycroft: that would certainly have been cheaper than what they did
12:09 AM roycroft: i kind of get why they sent the trunion assembly as well as the table - they supposedly checked it at their warehouse in tennessee before shipping it, and if my trunnions were off by a little that could cause the problem
12:09 AM roycroft: but the blade guides and wheels - i have no idea why they sent that stuff
12:09 AM roycroft: maybe they thought that if the sent me enough stuff i'd stop complaining
12:16 AM XXCoder: maybe dunno
12:45 AM roycroft: i sure wish it would turn into spring again
12:46 AM XXCoder: spring is coming
12:51 AM roycroft: summer is coming
12:51 AM roycroft: spring is mostly taking the year off
12:53 AM XXCoder: fall is coming
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01:24 AM Deejay: moin
01:46 AM randy: morning
01:46 AM xxcoder8265[m]: yo
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04:54 AM Tom_L: morning
06:23 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:23 AM silopolis[m]: ✌️
08:23 AM Splat7847[m]: I think I'm chasing my tail.. trying to work out what stuff to put on the physical control panel for the CNC router
08:26 AM srk- is now known as srk
08:52 AM roycroft: make the front panel out of 1/8"(3mm) plywood at first, so you can change it around as needed
08:52 AM roycroft: and then make the proper aluminium one when you have the final layout determined
08:54 AM roycroft: or make a grid frame for the front panel and make a square/rectangular cover plate for each button or functional group that you can screw into the grid
08:59 AM Splat7847[m]: I'm planning for a number of keys that can be for macros etc.. which is grids of 4 x 2 using cherry mx blue keyboard switches.. and clearly there will be an estop.. I'm not sure about any jogging buttons since I have an mpg wheel pendant thing that could replace the need for that.. though I guess it makes sense to have buttons for so if someone unplugs the mpg pendant you can still job without using the keyboard.. heh
09:00 AM roycroft: i would put an e-stop button on the machine itself, the panel, and the pendant
09:00 AM Splat7847[m]: yeah
09:01 AM Splat7847[m]: the pendant has one.. the panel will have one.. not sure where else I'll put them yet.. but I'm not afraid of having more then really needed.. heh
09:02 AM Splat7847[m]: I'm having an enclosure around this specific cnc router.. and am planning on setting it up so that it's not going to run if you open the door to the enclosure
09:03 AM Splat7847[m]: I have two control panels I have to do.. one for my machine at home.. and one for the makerspace I'm part of..
09:07 AM roycroft: there should always be an e-stop switch within reach no matter what you're doing with the machine
09:10 AM Splat7847[m]: Yeah, I haven't worked out if opening the enclosure will be triggering an estop or stopping everything in some other way.. but since it wouldn't be hard to put an estop in the enclosure I may as well
09:19 AM roycroft: it should stop all motion, which imo is what an e-stop should generally do
09:19 AM roycroft: i don't think an e-stop should kill power to the linuxcnc computer or the control panel
09:19 AM roycroft: just all the motion control components
09:20 AM Splat7847[m]: Yeah
09:22 AM Splat7847[m]: it'd be bad if the computer went off on an estop.. would become a real pain to try to use..
09:24 AM roycroft: if your e-stop circuit is nc then it doesn't cost you anything to add more switches than the cost of the switches themselves and the wire - you can just daisy-chain them all to the same pair of pins on your bob
09:25 AM Splat7847[m]: I'd love to work out if I can get away with not having a keyboard or mouse on the linuxcnc machine.. but I so far can't think of how you could load your gcode without at least a mouse
09:29 AM Splat7847[m]: I have two on my machine here at home one on the wall with a key switch next to it for getting it out of estop.. after getting the estop switches out of estop you need to use the momentary key switch to re engergize the circuit.. that's my way of making sure you really meant to do this..
09:36 AM roycroft: i like to use latching circuits for the control panel
09:36 AM roycroft: not only for the e-stop, but to ensure that after a power failure the system does not start up on its own
09:51 AM MrSunshine: yeey, so my amb spindle seem to have given up already ... 6 months, wounds mechanical and there is some cogging now and then in the spindle :/ cant locate realy where it is and cant figure out how to dissasseble the bastard either ... i would guess its wood dust that has pulled all the grease out of the bearings :/
10:09 AM JT-Shop: well crumb I made two left slappers
10:28 AM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: guess ya gotta make a second cabinet or whatever..........
10:49 AM JT-Shop2: blank slappers
11:32 AM unterhaus: does the arm on this tap stand look 3d printed to anyone else? https://www.instagram.com/p/CdDN215Lv_D/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
11:39 AM roycroft: no - it's been "artisan" machined freehand :)
11:42 AM roycroft: it actually may be cast metal, but with a 3d printed model, and the casting may not have been cleaned up
11:43 AM roycroft: the model is what should have been cleaned up
11:44 AM roycroft: but for some reason, there are people who actually like the look of 3d printed parts, and perhaps that person is appealing to that crowd
11:53 AM unterhaus: if you look at their posting, it's a little out of place
11:54 AM unterhaus: I forget if someone linked to them on this channel
11:54 AM unterhaus: clock maker
11:54 AM roycroft: yeah, it does seem odd, as horologists usually like nice, shiny stuff
11:55 AM roycroft: not sloppily squirted crap
11:55 AM unterhaus: tool not jewel philosophy might have been in play
11:55 AM roycroft: and it has the nice brass and hardwood that is so appealing
11:55 AM roycroft: but then there's that arm
11:56 AM unterhaus: i was wondering if it was cast using a pla form
11:56 AM roycroft: that's what i'm thinking at this point
11:56 AM roycroft: but again, he could have post-processed the model so that it would cast more cleanly
11:56 AM roycroft: even printing it in abs and fuming it would have helped
11:58 AM unterhaus: the thing that has always stopped me from building a tap stand is the tap holders themselves
11:59 AM roycroft: i've thought about buying one, but then i think that if i ever get my mill converted to cnc i can use that for most of my tapping
11:59 AM roycroft: and i have tap guides that work ok for now
11:59 AM roycroft: i do a lot of my tapping right in the drill press or milling machine
12:00 PM roycroft: but the big gator tap guides do a good job when i have to bring the tap to the part
12:00 PM roycroft: and the work in many places where a tap stand wouldn't
12:25 PM xxcoder8265[m]: https://www.robotdigg.com/product/1707/5-axis-CNC-milling-machine-V4-desktop-with-horizontal-spindle
12:25 PM xxcoder8265[m]: intereting. dont bother with video, just shows guy unpacking stuff (but not main machine itself)
12:26 PM xxcoder8265[m]: oh nm on videos, other 2 loaded. very slow site
12:34 PM silopolis[m]: Cutty little thingy !
12:34 PM silopolis[m]: That's the machine we need to fund for @sliptonic !
12:37 PM silopolis[m]: He'd have no other choice than developping 5 axis support for FreeCAD Path WB 😁
12:39 PM XXCoder: lol yea
12:39 PM XXCoder: the website sucks lol been ytrying to find enclosure
12:39 PM XXCoder: machine itself is $500
12:40 PM silopolis[m]: note that I'm half half joking !
12:41 PM XXCoder: hand and half? so thats 100% joke? ;)
12:41 PM serp: half half... 1/4 joke
12:41 PM XXCoder: true
12:43 PM XXCoder: oh its included in machine
12:43 PM silopolis[m]: serp: more so !
12:43 PM GTKplusplus6432[: I really want to build a machine like this with granite squares and surface plated
12:43 PM GTKplusplus6432[: s/plated/plates/
12:43 PM MrSunshine: has anyone here disassembled an amb 1050 fme-w di spindle? :P
12:44 PM XXCoder: cool indeed lol
12:44 PM XXCoder: that machine is cheap enough that its impossibke to recreate cheaper lol
12:44 PM silopolis[m]: btw, had a short tchat with him yesterday and he told me Patreon would be much more helpful than hw funding
12:44 PM XXCoder: im sure its less than rigid but plenty for plastic and wood. it shows alum cutting soo
12:45 PM GTKplusplus6432[: But moving to a granite frame would do wonders for finish
12:45 PM XXCoder: indeed
12:45 PM GTKplusplus6432[: It's more rigid than a pocketNC and micromachining people are happy with that so it's a good starting point
12:46 PM XXCoder: that machine? really?
12:46 PM XXCoder: pocketnc is extremely expensive
12:50 PM GTKplusplus6432[: It is, bigger rails and screws, much better rotary mechanism, and more rigid frame
12:50 PM XXCoder: wait im confused thought you said that cheap machine was more rigid
12:50 PM XXCoder: did you mean the grinite machine?
12:50 PM GTKplusplus6432[: That's what I said
12:51 PM XXCoder: ok thats weird lol. ok
12:51 PM GTKplusplus6432[: No, I meant the robotdigg one
12:51 PM GTKplusplus6432[: pocketNC is expensive because it's not a Chinese machine, which doubles the price
12:52 PM XXCoder: it adds a zero, not double but yea
12:52 PM GTKplusplus6432[: What
12:52 PM GTKplusplus6432[: No
12:52 PM GTKplusplus6432[: The robotdigg one is 4k
12:52 PM GTKplusplus6432[: 500 is the price for the enclosure
12:53 PM GTKplusplus6432[: I'd have bought 10 if it was really 500
12:53 PM XXCoder: well that site sure is very unclear
12:54 PM XXCoder: it does seem to include machine
12:55 PM XXCoder: Standard offer of Desket-V4
12:55 PM XXCoder: One complete horizontal 5-axis CNC milling machine, BLDC Servo Motor, C5 Ground ball screw 1204 and 1604, HIWIN dual linear rails, Harmonic Reducer the 5-axis (Metal Enclosure is Not included, can purchase separately)
12:55 PM XXCoder: it then lists stuff like psu, cord, usb able, hex tools, vise, er11 wrench, er11, test tools, gage block, handwheel and test wood, spindle motor cooling pump
12:56 PM XXCoder: aha seems I have to click buttons to show specific items
12:57 PM XXCoder: $4000 usd for machine
12:57 PM XXCoder: 750 for enclosure
12:57 PM XXCoder: pc for 500
12:58 PM XXCoder: too bad LOL
12:58 PM XXCoder: saved it anyway because its still cheaper than pocketnc by a whole lot
01:05 PM XXCoder: GTKplusplus6432[m] thanks
01:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "Price Match and rich backup components are available upon request.
01:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: This is a Collaborative Developed 5-axis CNC Mill, there is a QQ group of users of more than 2,000 in China, "
01:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: reminds me of the people I worked with there, what garbage
01:24 PM Tom_L: the people?
01:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: even down to pics of parts never made on the machine
01:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and the avoidance of asking a native English speaker to proofread
01:31 PM XXCoder: yeah
01:32 PM roycroft: hmm, this again
01:33 PM roycroft: my euro style cabinet hole drilling jig has a problem that i have to solve
01:33 PM roycroft: it wants to step down from the top of the cabinets in 32mm increments
01:33 PM roycroft: but i need to go down 3/4" +32mm for the first row of holes
01:33 PM roycroft: i'm going to have to figure out how to add that 3/4" in the jig
01:33 PM roycroft: maybe a custom machined spacer
01:35 PM roycroft: or maybe i won't use the top guide at all
01:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.robotdigg.com/product/1826/Mini-Lathe-Machine-DIY-wood-lathe-kit $29.00
01:39 PM XXCoder: I have that kit lol lost power brick though
01:39 PM XXCoder: I bought one, and lost that one too. it sucks lol
01:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: imagine what we will see when they discover what you can make with clay, sand and epoxy
02:00 PM XXCoder: except for shipping price
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 50% Styrofoam mix
02:05 PM CloudEvil: CaptHindsight[m]: I am currently pondering use of styrofoam orbs in concrete.
02:05 PM CloudEvil: vhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voided_biaxial_slab related
02:06 PM XXCoder: interesting
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: don't tell China
02:07 PM roycroft: you don't need any epoxy
02:07 PM roycroft: just get clay and/or sand hot
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "better future"
02:08 PM roycroft: cloudevil: we have a perpetual candidate for congress here in my district who thinks we should mix radioactive waste in concrete for house foundations
02:08 PM roycroft: he thinks the "glow" would be beneficial to health
02:08 PM roycroft: he also sends me postcards asking for pee samples occasionally
02:08 PM roycroft: for his "research facility" in southern oregon
02:08 PM roycroft: i respectfully ignore those requests
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can you donate in person?
02:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: maybe he's just a collector
02:10 PM CloudEvil: ...
02:10 PM * CloudEvil ponders.
02:10 PM XXCoder: maybe he uses pee power generator
02:10 PM XXCoder: (yes such exists)
02:10 PM roycroft: i hope i never find that out
02:10 PM roycroft: the sad thing is, he studied under linus pauling
02:10 PM CloudEvil: If you take a closely packed array of a few dozen glass bottles, and press them gently on their sides at the softening temperature, it might be fun.
02:11 PM roycroft: what a disappointment
02:11 PM XXCoder: unless indirectly like "man drowned by pee collection tipping over"
02:11 PM roycroft: i mean, linus was a bit kooky, but nothing like this guy
02:11 PM roycroft: art robinson is his name, btw
02:11 PM XXCoder: age 80
02:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: As a hobby, Robinson buys unwanted pipe organs from churches and reassembles them on his property.
02:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no mention of any pee
02:12 PM roycroft: that's a hobby i can respect
02:13 PM roycroft: collecting pee, not so much
02:13 PM roycroft: i haven't gotten a post card from him in a while, so perhaps he's outgrown that
02:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's organic, natural and sustainable so it must be good
02:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.transportation.gov/odapc/collectors
02:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why we need government
02:23 PM XXCoder: wow calfornia is getting there to 100% renewable power sources
02:23 PM XXCoder: https://interestingengineering.com/california-is-on-the-threshold-of-using-100-percent-renewable-power?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=article&utm_content=03052022
02:24 PM XXCoder: 99.87% of power was renewable
02:24 PM XXCoder: pretty dang good
02:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: then why is everyone moving to Texas and Florida?
02:25 PM XXCoder: im not moving to either, so its not everyobne
02:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: from California
02:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all they have to do next is trim all the trees or bury the power lines
02:28 PM XXCoder: and rake the forest? :P
02:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: didn't Germany make similar claims and then we find out they were buying gas from Russia
02:30 PM XXCoder: one of problems yet to be solved and mass market is storage of excess power from renewables
02:31 PM XXCoder: though there is couple nice ones coming, like iron batteries
02:31 PM XXCoder: its big, massive, but extremely cheap and its rechargable. it gives up charge by oxiding, and recharging turns em back to iron
02:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not until after the patents expire
02:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all or nothing
02:33 PM XXCoder: dunno, if its cheap enough power companies would buy em
03:08 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
03:18 PM roguish[m]: follow the money...............
03:18 PM roguish[m]: too many people, too much grfeed
03:19 PM roguish[m]: greed, too much production, too much consumption.............
03:23 PM roycroft: xxcoder: there are lots of ways to store that power
03:24 PM XXCoder: yup
03:24 PM XXCoder: iron is extremely cheap though
03:24 PM XXCoder: its very heavy but land dont care
03:24 PM roycroft: just to name two cheap and low tech ones, off the top of my head:
03:24 PM roycroft: 1. ginormous flywheel (which has actually be used for backup power for office buildings for decades)
03:25 PM roycroft: 2. pump water up a tall cliff and store it in a tank there, and when you need power, flow it back down through a turbine
03:25 PM roycroft: both are relatively efficient, cheap, low tech, and can be deployed quickly almost anywhere
03:26 PM XXCoder: theres new version of that
03:26 PM XXCoder: train
03:26 PM XXCoder: yep they drag train up with excess power, and let it down slowly to generate power
03:26 PM XXCoder: perfect in areas where water is a big concern
03:26 PM roycroft: that could work too
03:27 PM Tom_L: so what's wrong with wind?
03:27 PM roguish[m]: https://interestingengineering.com/video/ocean-future-energy-storage
03:27 PM Tom_L: you don't have to drag it up a hill first...
03:27 PM Tom_L: ocean currents
03:27 PM roycroft: it causes our former president to have to flush his toilet multiple times, so it's bad :)
03:28 PM XXCoder: roguish[m]: yeah, great till you realize it needs oceans. not great for deep inside center of america for exampke
03:28 PM roycroft: there are some very efficient, fish-friendly bidirectional turbines that can harnass tidal power pretty well
03:28 PM Tom_L: lincoln? washington?...
03:28 PM roycroft: but that's not an option in kansas
03:28 PM roycroft: at least not at the moment
03:28 PM roycroft: when it's an option in kansas we'll all be long dead
03:28 PM Tom_L: no but we have lotsa wind
03:28 PM roycroft: there are some real issues with wind power
03:29 PM roguish[m]: do you see there is a power cable being run between Moroco and Britain, to tranfer power?
03:29 PM roycroft: placing the turbines in the migratory path of birds
03:29 PM Tom_L: doesn't seem to be slowing them down here
03:29 PM roycroft: that's a problem
03:29 PM roycroft: but there are plenty of places that are quite windy that birds do not frequent
03:30 PM roycroft: wind turbines can also be quite noisy, so parking one in the back corner of your property is not a good idea
03:30 PM XXCoder: turns out if you paint one blade black, birds avoid it
03:30 PM Tom_L: equal rights...
03:31 PM roguish[m]: http://www.stratosolar.com/
03:31 PM Tom_L: some should be rainbow too
03:31 PM roycroft: but the real problem with wind, and with most renewable energy sources, is that the technology scales down pretty well, so the mega power companies cannot keep their monopolies
03:31 PM roycroft: they would have actual competition
03:32 PM Tom_L: they appear to be the ones putting them up
03:33 PM roycroft: sure, but they also lobby hard to keep you from doing so yourself
03:34 PM roycroft: or, at least, to keep you from connecting your generators to the grid
03:46 PM Tom_L: imagine if that wasn't regulated what shape the already taxed grid would be in
03:48 PM roycroft: backfeeding the grid when permitted and inspected properly enhanced power distribution
03:53 PM ziper2: ok, what about a bird turbine?
03:54 PM Tom_L: i'm sure every joe blow would do that too...
03:54 PM Tom_L: ziper2, hampster wheels
03:55 PM roycroft: people all over the country do it
03:55 PM roycroft: safely
03:55 PM roycroft: the power companies fight it tooth and nail
03:56 PM roycroft: but it is perfectly safe, and they always have the right to cut you off instantly if something goes awry
03:56 PM ziper2: the birds slamming into the tubine power the device
04:05 PM ziper2: btw, how many birds does one MW of windpower kill compared to the emissions of 1 MW of coal?
04:09 PM Tom_L: nuclear will become a bigger problem than coal
04:09 PM XXCoder: i have no problem with nuclear. I have problem with nuclear waste STORAGE
04:13 PM ziper2: it came out of the ground, it can go back in the ground
04:16 PM XXCoder: not that easy
04:16 PM Tom_L: not in the same density
04:29 PM roycroft: it's getting easier to deal with nuclear waste
04:30 PM roycroft: the problem is that it costs money to store it safely
04:44 PM XXCoder: precisely why I dont trust companies to
04:44 PM XXCoder: lot of nuclear waste is just warehoused still
05:21 PM JT-Shop2: finishing up the last tenon
05:23 PM XXCoder: yay
05:31 PM * JT-Shop2 ponders the pins... thinking split square pins with radius edges on the outside
05:59 PM psydroid is now known as psydroid[m]
06:00 PM psydroid[m] is now known as psydroid
06:15 PM acer: UGH... every damn time.
06:15 PM _unreal_ is now known as Guest72
06:15 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
06:15 PM _unreal_: every time I switch
06:16 PM _unreal_: from over drive to normal. the steppers stall
06:16 PM _unreal_: pissis me off
06:16 PM _unreal_: if it only had RAMPING
06:16 PM _unreal_: in that ONE god damn feature
06:16 PM _unreal_: sigh
06:16 PM _unreal_: re-zeroing now
06:17 PM _unreal_: about 60% done with the first of the two MF'ER 90 parts
06:17 PM _unreal_: nothing like standing over a cnc machine holding a vacuum because objects will strike the dust shoe
06:17 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, what you goin on about now?
06:18 PM _unreal_: Planetcnc or at least the "version" I have. the over drive button that allows you to set a forced global feed rate has no ramping feature. so if you enable it. it is a 100% switch from its current step/feed rate to the over drive. no ramping +/-
06:19 PM _unreal_: it was in a rapid when I switched it off. I forgot... and it stalled. now I'm swapping bits to the probe so I can re-zero everything again SIGH.
06:19 PM _unreal_: I have to manually zero. becuase I cant reference home
06:20 PM _unreal_: the @#$@#$ aluminum angle I'm milling right now will block the X/Z
06:20 PM _unreal_: if I try to home
06:20 PM _unreal_: cant wait for this project to be done
06:26 PM Tom_L: so it ignores feedrates from gcode?
06:27 PM Tom_L: sounds like a dangerous button
06:43 PM XXCoder: yeah. cutting metal, press button and it shatters tool?
06:50 PM Tom_L: sounds like a button i should add to mine :)
06:50 PM XXCoder: shatter my tool now button sounds fun
06:58 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, yes it ignors feed rates
06:58 PM _unreal_: I can set it to anything I want
06:58 PM _unreal_: no it comes in very handy
06:58 PM _unreal_: lets say I set a feed rate too high in gcode
06:58 PM _unreal_: I can manually tune it down
06:58 PM _unreal_: problem is that is also includes rapids
06:58 PM _unreal_: :/
06:59 PM Tom_L: lcnc has feedrate override
06:59 PM Tom_L: as well as rapid override
07:00 PM Tom_L: as well as spindle speed override
07:00 PM XXCoder: yeah. machines I ran have so many varied
07:00 PM XXCoder: from overall speed, to all 3 seperate
07:00 PM Tom_L: as it should be
07:00 PM XXCoder: I prefer all 3 seperate or spindle/feed and rapid
07:00 PM XXCoder: i like rapid being seperate, so I can walk in with feed at zero and rapid at say 5%
07:11 PM Tom_L: my cad has a glitch where when i do a pocket routine, i have to remember to reset the z clear
07:12 PM Tom_L: or it will raise to the z work level instead which can be very hard on cutters
07:12 PM XXCoder: ow
07:12 PM Tom_L: i know it but once in a while i forget
07:13 PM XXCoder: no machining work but printing. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668854860736626733/971190875554185256/unknown.png?width=732&height=660 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668854860736626733/971190875285762048/unknown.png?width=699&height=660
07:13 PM Tom_L: drain plug
07:13 PM Tom_L: :)
07:15 PM XXCoder: yeah bathtub lol
07:15 PM XXCoder: made couple prototypes which was shallow to save plastic. good thing as it was bit loose, though still blocked water some
07:16 PM XXCoder: second one was much closer. I just added .2 mm to diameter (feels like .5mm loose)
07:16 PM Tom_L: round butter lid works great for that
07:16 PM XXCoder: is that something special, or literally butter lid from jar of
07:16 PM Tom_L: literal
07:17 PM Tom_L: clear plastic lid
07:17 PM Tom_L: no PLA required
07:17 PM XXCoder: ah lol
07:17 PM XXCoder: I suppose but wanted design challenge too
07:17 PM XXCoder: easy compared to disc of sabu I made few days go
07:17 PM Tom_L: want something to draw?
07:18 PM XXCoder: https://www.printables.com/model/180057-disc-of-sabu
07:18 PM XXCoder: depends. lol
07:18 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/
07:19 PM XXCoder: lol fancy
07:20 PM Tom_L: i've got over 100 of them
07:34 PM Tom_L: well have fun
07:35 PM XXCoder: yep
07:59 PM _unreal_: beyond getting those parts milled. its more or less a DUMP everything back together and its a working machine
08:01 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I'm up in the air on how I should go about tramming this machine
08:02 PM _unreal_: I dont know how TRUE the top of the foundation board is?
08:02 PM _unreal_: then again the Y's are directly mounted mounted to it. its 3/4" ply glued to 3/4" MDF all epoxy coated
08:03 PM Tom_L: you can only expect so much from it
08:03 PM _unreal_: so the BASE is 1.5" thick. then I have 1.5x1.5" support ribs screwed/glued to the bottom
08:03 PM _unreal_: I mean order of operations
08:03 PM _unreal_: to square up and tram
08:04 PM _unreal_: I'm thinking I should not bother doing any leveling of any kind at first
08:04 PM _unreal_: work off the foundation board
08:04 PM roycroft: is it a gantry machine?
08:04 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/G0704%20Tramming%20Part%201.mp4
08:04 PM _unreal_: do some plot depth checks
08:04 PM Tom_L: part 2 & 3 are there also
08:04 PM _unreal_: roycroft, yes the machine I've been rebuilding
08:04 PM _unreal_: building/rebuilding
08:04 PM roycroft: make sure the gantry rails are parallel first
08:05 PM roycroft: then square the x to the gantry rails
08:05 PM Tom_L: some may not apply then
08:05 PM Tom_L: sill good to watch
08:05 PM roycroft: then make sure the spindle is not tippy
08:05 PM roycroft: then level the bed to the machine
08:06 PM _unreal_: I know Y is square and true
08:06 PM roycroft: at least that's how i would do it
08:06 PM _unreal_: I need to get it working first regardless
08:06 PM _unreal_: I may buy one of those dbl tramming tools as well.
08:07 PM roycroft: to square the x to the gantry rails, drill four holes in a square pattern into the spoil board
08:07 PM roycroft: then check the diagonals
08:07 PM _unreal_: roy I dont have a spoil board yet
08:07 PM roycroft: you'll need one for testing :)
08:07 PM _unreal_: roycroft, I need to do the first round of squaring and tuning and tramming with the base foundation
08:08 PM _unreal_: it should be 99.5% level
08:08 PM _unreal_: roycroft, I also have to align both Y sides with the threaded rod
08:08 PM _unreal_: thats going to be fun
08:10 PM _unreal_: I have to FREE one of the timing pulleys from the threaded rod. to ensure the location is square. and loosen the X rail mounts if/ass needed to release the tension. then tighten again
08:10 PM _unreal_: I did add pitch adjustment locations
08:10 PM _unreal_: so I can turn some screws for fine tuning
08:10 PM _unreal_: ugh
08:11 PM _unreal_: tuning this time is going to be a BEAR. but I should really only need to do it once.
08:11 PM roycroft: make a spacer bar to fit between the two y rails
08:11 PM roycroft: and make sure it fits snugly all along the path of the rails
08:12 PM roycroft: then cross two strings diagonally across the corners
08:12 PM roycroft: the strings should meet exactly in the middle
08:12 PM roycroft: that gets you pretty close
08:12 PM _unreal_: once its squared up. I have holes that are pre-defined. All I have to do is DRILL through the hole into the second aluminum panel. Then ether TAP and put a FIXED location screw(s) or through bolt it with exact sized machine screws.
08:13 PM _unreal_: roycroft, I need only to one END
08:13 PM roycroft: then check the x with four holes as i described earlier
08:13 PM _unreal_: roycroft, the base of the machine is already squared
08:14 PM _unreal_: to " make " both sides of the Y square I need only send the gantry to one end or an other to hit the hard stops
08:15 PM _unreal_: that is " square ". I then can LOCK the major serpentine belt pullies for the Y axis threaded rods
08:15 PM _unreal_: as to the +/- sides of the X thats when it get complicated.
08:16 PM _unreal_: well time to go make din din for my daughter. took her out to cici's last night.
08:16 PM _unreal_: all you can eat pizza
08:16 PM Tom_L: if you can call it pizza...
08:26 PM * roycroft has pizza that can be called "pizza" every week
09:39 PM roycroft: looks like i'm going on a road trip thursday
09:40 PM XXCoder: hopefully for fun
09:40 PM roycroft: i found a great deal on the festool trim router that i've been wanting for years, but it's in central oregon
09:40 PM roycroft: it is specifically made to trim edge banding on sheet goods, and next week i'll be trimming a lot of edge banding
09:40 PM roycroft: so the timing could not be better
10:35 PM _unreal_: years in the making
11:01 PM XXCoder: https://www.printables.com/model/193071-bathtub-drain-cover
11:02 PM XXCoder: finished my project
11:02 PM XXCoder: around a gallon of water lasted around a hour or so. stops water well enough!
11:16 PM Tom_L: now try the butter lid :)
11:18 PM XXCoder: lol
11:18 PM XXCoder: while it worked very well, I wonmder if can add something to make it even better
11:18 PM XXCoder: coating of some kind
11:18 PM XXCoder: one that done depost into drainb
11:19 PM XXCoder: interesting https://youtu.be/a5gbT7Uo5qY
11:20 PM Tom_L: silicone
11:20 PM XXCoder: while bicycle with prop is silly, machining is bit interesting
11:20 PM XXCoder: yeah? hmm ok
11:20 PM XXCoder: dont think I have any, in least it leaks very slowly
11:21 PM Tom_L: is the print porous?
11:21 PM XXCoder: in theory but not really
11:22 PM Tom_L: so it's the seal not the whole thing
11:22 PM XXCoder: nearly all leak is by getting under cover
11:22 PM XXCoder: I added around a gallon of water to tub, with lid on
11:22 PM XXCoder: it took over a hour to completely empty
11:23 PM XXCoder: well a hour or so. long enpugh
11:30 PM roycroft: blah
11:30 PM roycroft: it's going to rain on thursday
11:30 PM roycroft: that will make my road trip less fun
11:30 PM XXCoder: lol the rain is cominf
11:30 PM XXCoder: yeah that sucks
11:30 PM roycroft: i haven't been to central oregon in several years
11:31 PM roycroft: it's kind of why i decided to do this
11:31 PM XXCoder: last time for me was winter of 2020
11:31 PM roycroft: the price on the router is really great
11:31 PM roycroft: but it's a long drive
11:31 PM XXCoder: also south or, calfornia center
11:31 PM roycroft: i've been to california several times in the last few years
11:31 PM XXCoder: 2 days of round trip from tacoma to center calfornia then back home tacoma
11:31 PM roycroft: and all up and down the oregon coast
11:32 PM roycroft: but all my cali trips lately have been to the coast
11:32 PM roycroft: i haven't been down near mt shasta or chico or the central valley in a long time
11:33 PM roycroft: just del norte, humbolt, and mendocino counties lately
11:33 PM roycroft: i'm glad i have new tires on my car
11:33 PM XXCoder: only time I was outside wa state was to northj oregon couple times. outside or and wa, 2020 trip was sole one
11:33 PM roycroft: driving in the mountains in the heavy rain requires good tires
11:34 PM roycroft: i haven't even been to washington in several years
11:34 PM roycroft: i used to go up to bellingham a couple times/year
11:35 PM roycroft: back in the early 2000s, when the mariners were doing well, a friend of mine who is a huge baseball fan and i would go up to seattle to see a mariners game about once/month
11:36 PM roycroft: i definitely feel most at home/most comfortable in western oregon/northern california
11:36 PM roycroft: but i do like new experiences, and traveling
11:36 PM XXCoder: me, west wa is perfect lol
11:36 PM roycroft: i think i could be happy living in the san juan islands
11:36 PM roycroft: i liked bellingham a lot, but the winters were too harsh
11:37 PM roycroft: even portland winters are a bit much for me
11:37 PM roycroft: eugene is about as north as i want to be, generally
11:37 PM XXCoder: bit too far east
11:37 PM XXCoder: here it very rarely snows
11:38 PM roycroft: i mention the san juans because the climate is a lot milder there than on the mainland
11:38 PM roycroft: you're in the olympic rain shadow
11:38 PM XXCoder: yup
11:38 PM roycroft: which is also a snow shadow
11:38 PM XXCoder: and close enough to ocean to be pretty temperate stable
11:38 PM XXCoder: it rarely gets below 30f here
11:38 PM roycroft: bellingham gets noreasters from the canadian arctic
11:39 PM roycroft: the wind and cold comes down from the yukon, down the fraser river valley, down into the northwest corner of washington
11:40 PM roycroft: vancouver, which is near the mouth of the fraser, is protected from that
11:40 PM roycroft: the winds keep traveling south when the fraser turns west