#linuxcnc Logs

May 02 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:16 AM Deejay: moin
01:50 AM randy: morning
03:38 AM xxcoder[m]: fun https://youtu.be/GJOOLH9ZP2I
04:54 AM Tom_L: morning
06:01 AM JT-Cave: morning
10:34 AM JT-Shop is now known as EvilWeevilKiller
10:41 AM Loetmichel_: *brrr* just paid 430 eur for two BMW car keys (with remote lock)... MAN is that stuff expensive. On the bright side: they still have the key codes for a 2001 318i convertible. and the keys should work OOTB, no "programming" needed!
10:42 AM Loetmichel_: ... and will be delivered to the local dealer within 48 hours. Which is great, too ;)
10:43 AM EvilWeevilKiller: lose your key?
10:44 AM Loetmichel_: lost the last one, yes
10:49 AM roycroft: yeah, car keys are very expensive these days
10:50 AM roycroft: the remote door lock on mine does not work any more, and the dealer wants $180 for a new one
10:50 AM roycroft: but i know how to insert the key in the lock and engage/disengage the lock
10:51 AM roycroft: i'm not even sure if it's the key that's failed or the charging system
10:52 AM roycroft: if the latter, a new key would not last very long either
10:55 AM Loetmichel_: roycroft: some have CR3032 in them. supposed to last 10 yers...
10:55 AM Loetmichel_: +a
10:55 AM Loetmichel_: no charging
10:55 AM Loetmichel_: just saying
10:55 AM Loetmichel_: could be as simple as changing the battery
11:00 AM roycroft: yes, and that's a good thing, but many don't, including mine
11:03 AM roycroft: the problem with replaceable batteries is that the dealership cannot charge you $180 for something they pay $90 to the manufacture for that costs $8 to manufacture
11:03 AM roycroft: replacing a batter interrupts the profit chain
11:10 AM roguish[m]: my 2003 MBZ key has a very easily replacable battery.
11:11 AM Loetmichel_: roycroft: i know. sad as that is
11:14 AM roycroft: it's ironic that the makers of "the people's car" engage in this key gouging practice
11:14 AM roycroft: there be filament arriving today
11:14 AM * roycroft can start squirting again
11:21 AM JT-Cave: my truck calls the service department at my dealer if anything is wrong
11:25 AM Tom_L: do they make house calls?
11:26 AM Tom_L: does your dealer have anything to sell? ours are all down to floor sweepings
11:27 AM JT-Cave: I don't know, I do know the courtesy van will take you anywhere you want to go while your vehicle is being serviced
11:28 AM roycroft: the local vw dealership don't have many cars to sell, but their service department still sell abuse at high prices
11:28 AM JT-Cave: they had inventory last time I passed by
11:28 AM roycroft: that hasn't changed at all
11:30 AM Tom_L: it's like when you go to the grocery store and all the product has been fronted 1 level deep
11:30 AM Tom_L: spaced out 2-3 stalls apart
11:31 AM Tom_L: and turned diagonal to take up more space
11:53 AM roycroft: well my band saw table is out for delivery
11:53 AM roycroft: i'm hopefull that this one will actually be flat
11:57 AM xxcoder[m]: https://imgur.com/a/Qs6bOkc#Lr4IvNd pretty cool. was used 60 years ago, then retired and was awarded
12:09 PM CaptainHindsight: awarded what?
12:09 PM xxcoder[m]: that small mold you see there
12:10 PM xxcoder[m]: if curious check out #reddit
12:10 PM CaptainHindsight: yes, what was it awarded?
12:11 PM xxcoder[m]: didn't say what award it was for though
12:11 PM xxcoder[m]: just that it was a award at some point
12:11 PM CaptainHindsight: a mystery
12:12 PM xxcoder[m]: yeah. it was tupperware though lol
12:12 PM xxcoder[m]: I think my sis in law even has one of those tiny bowls lol
12:16 PM CaptainHindsight: looks more like a reflector for a headlamp
12:16 PM XXCoder: nah op said it was tupperware. if you click link you will see big version
12:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: heh, sorry I can't parse their grammar
12:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Machinists/comments/ucikn8/repost_extreme_angle_cutting_on_lt8_fiber/
12:24 PM CaptainHindsight: skimming our reddit feed is much nicer than being on reddit
12:24 PM XXCoder: yep
12:25 PM XXCoder: I use newsflash as rss feed client and its great for skimming too
12:41 PM roycroft: that reddit link confuses me
12:41 PM roycroft: i've never seen the words "fiber" and "cutting" in the same sentence before without the word "backhoe" also appearing in the sentence
12:43 PM xxcoder[m]: fiber optics for laser
12:43 PM xxcoder[m]: I think anyway
12:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: happened in France a few days ago, some were under water, coordinated snipping
12:43 PM roycroft: yes, xxcoder, but it still seems odd to me :)
12:43 PM XXCoder: yea lol
12:44 PM roycroft: perhaps in this case the fiber should be seeking vengeance, and would seek out and proceed to cut the backhoe
01:45 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:49 PM roguish[m]: oh joy. off to court in a while. report for jury duty. if i'm lucky I won't get picked......
01:50 PM roycroft: if you get picked, when you are interviewed for a trial, just say "i think that anyone who gets arrested is probabably guilty of something"
01:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "I kin tell if they is guilties by lookinin there eyes"
01:53 PM roycroft: the problem with what i suggested is that it's the matra of the so-called law and order folks
01:53 PM roycroft: and i'm not sure i'd want to be associated with them, even if it meant getting out of jury duty
01:56 PM * roycroft states for the record that he's served on juries several times, and actually does not try to get out of jury duty when appropriately summonsed
01:57 PM roycroft: for a while, i was getting myself excused a lot, because in my area, one is exempt from jury duty for two years after serving, but at one point, i got a summons a month after i served, and kept getting one every month for about a year
01:58 PM roguish[m]: I actually think jury duty is very important. voting doesn't seem to matter much, at least in Cal. but jury duty actually touches someone's life, directly.
01:59 PM roguish[m]: this is muni court. I wish I could go to federal court again. way better, more professional.
02:00 PM roycroft: i think it is too
02:00 PM roycroft: i was just being flippant for the sake of amusement there
02:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: let me know when everybody really wants to fix things in guberment
02:00 PM roycroft: i served on a grand jury for violent cases where a child was involved ones
02:00 PM roycroft: that lasted a month
02:01 PM roycroft: and it had a tremendous impact on me
02:02 PM roycroft: i was kind of unhappy about that experience in a way though
02:02 PM roguish[m]: I actually sat on a federal jury in SF. a felon purchasing a gun, which is a no no.
02:02 PM roycroft: the prosecutor was obviously used to a grand jury just rubber-stamping every case brought to it
02:02 PM roycroft: and we did not do that
02:02 PM roycroft: we asked a lot of questions, and did not send every case to trial
02:02 PM roycroft: like
02:02 PM roycroft: we did our job
02:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how do you server on a jury if you feel that the law used for the charges or the way the courts work is not in the best interests of the people?
02:03 PM roguish[m]: couple months later was called to muni court in SF for a murder case. missed sitting on that one by a question about gun control. would have been months long.
02:03 PM roycroft: but it was obivous that the prosecutor expected it to be an automatic process, and was irritated when we dared question anything
02:04 PM roycroft: capthindsight: your civic duty regarding the first part is to put your personal feelings aside and judge the case according to the law
02:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: do you sit on it anyway knowing that you will try your best to subvert the process?
02:04 PM roguish[m]: I may apply to be on Contra Costa County Grand Jury. could be fun
02:05 PM roycroft: you'll probably be dismissed by the prosecution during jury selection, but if you were not that would be your duty
02:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: that is the problem, some laws are bad
02:05 PM roycroft: as far as your questioning the legitimacy of the entire system, i'm not sure how you would handle that
02:05 PM roycroft: yes, some laws are bad
02:05 PM roycroft: but as a juror, your job is not to determine whether a law is just
02:06 PM roycroft: it is to determine whether the law was broken
02:06 PM roycroft: however, stating that you disagree with the law during jury selection will get you dismissed 99+% of the time
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sorry, I understand that is the procedure
02:06 PM roycroft: and prosecutors *will* ask that
02:06 PM roycroft: so just answer honestly
02:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and it's a procedure that is not in the best interests of society
02:08 PM roycroft: if i had to express an opinion on the second question, i'd say that you should probably do the same - judge the case within the framework of the existing system
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and I've also heard all about questioning the "wisdom" of the courts
02:08 PM roycroft: we unfortunately do not have a "conscientious objector" opt-out protocol for our jury systm
02:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a bit of critical discussion should get you off jury duty
02:09 PM roycroft: personally, i would say that if you are registered to vote, you're recognizing at least some legitimacy in our system
02:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: at least in the USA
02:10 PM roycroft: it can, but one must be careful
02:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sure, it's a tyranny in the courtroom, near godlike judge
02:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: be polite
02:11 PM roycroft: if it seems obvious to the judge that you're being critical just to get off jury duty, you can be held in contempt and given an all-expenses paid trip to the local jail for a while
02:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: respectfully disagree if you will
02:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sure, but that not my point and I understand yours
02:13 PM xxcoder[m]: I was called for jury duty at worse times possibke. in 2009, right before my finals. got excused. in 2010, in my final finals.
02:13 PM roycroft: well as i said, i'm really not sure how to handle your second question
02:13 PM xxcoder[m]: got excused on second one too
02:14 PM roycroft: while there are certainly some major flaws in our justice system, i happen to believe that it's structured well, and generally works fairly well
02:14 PM roguish[m]: all in all, it primarily comes back down to personal beliefs. I think it's important. some do not.
02:14 PM roycroft: and i do believe in a trial before a jury of one's peers
02:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I used to just call and ask if my kids can come with me
02:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: worked for 20 years
02:15 PM roycroft: besides that period when i was getting a summons every month, i did ask to be excused one other time - when i was working for a start-up, and we were still a very small company, in the midst of a significant growth period
02:15 PM roycroft: the company really could not afford to be without me for that time, and wrote a letter asking for me to be excused
02:16 PM roycroft: i was excused for a year, and then i served a year later when a new summons arrived
02:16 PM XXCoder: pay for time is very low for juror
02:16 PM XXCoder: isnt it like 20 bucks a day?
02:16 PM roycroft: it depends on the court, but yes, it's always very low
02:16 PM roycroft: it covers lunch and parking, if you're lucky
02:16 PM roycroft: but that's the price to be paid for living in a participatory democracy
02:17 PM XXCoder: well I think it should be minium wage day pay
02:17 PM XXCoder: low, but in least pay is there
02:17 PM roycroft: many companies pay an empoyee's wages while on jury duty
02:17 PM XXCoder: ah didnt know that
02:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: yeah, not going to happen when half the country thinks you should have to slave away for any pay
02:18 PM roycroft: my current job does not, of course
02:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unless you are in the investment class, then go play golf
02:18 PM roycroft: but when i've been on jury duty while on this job, i was able to do my regular job in the evenings to make up the lost time
02:18 PM XXCoder: roy your work dont pay for workers at jury? isnt it law to?
02:19 PM roycroft: no, it's not required by law
02:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so mnay don't
02:19 PM roycroft: that filament from gst3d hasn't actually shipped yet
02:19 PM roycroft: they printed a shipping label right away, but ups do not have the parcel
02:20 PM roycroft: if the law required employers to pay wages for jury duty, the courts would be flooded with petitions to excuse jurors
02:20 PM roycroft: every person who has a job would be an 'essential' worker, and the employer would go out of business if the employee had to serve on a jury
02:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: too many obsessive compulsive money collectors around that feel that any handout from the gubement are just wrong if it doesn't all go just to them
02:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: collectors/hoarders
02:22 PM roycroft: grr
02:23 PM roycroft: i thought the only difference between a dwg file and a dwt file is that the latter, besides the extension being different, has the read-only attribute set
02:24 PM roycroft: i just renamed a dwt to dwg so i could import it into solidworks, but solidworks barfs on it, saying it is 'invalid'
02:38 PM TurBoss: roycroft: maybe this can help ? https://www.opendesign.com/guestfiles/oda_file_converter
02:38 PM TurBoss: not sure about dwt
02:45 PM roycroft: i think it may because it's a sheet set template
02:46 PM roycroft: yeah, that's the problem
02:47 PM roycroft: and that sucks, because i spent a lot of time customizing my sheet set templates years ago, and never back-fitted those changes to the non sheet-set templates
02:48 PM roycroft: so now i guess i get to see if i can strip the sheet set stuff out of a template easily
02:51 PM roycroft: and that looks pretty hard to do, if not impossible
02:51 PM roycroft: it's a one-way thing, and i'm wanting to go the wrong way
02:53 PM roycroft: it might be easier to just recreate the template directly in sw
03:25 PM JT-Shop2: one more tenon to fit up and one side of the wood rack is done
04:02 PM * JT-Shop2 needs a water stone holder of some kind that keeps the water off the bench...
04:11 PM silopolis[m]1 is now known as silopolis0866[m]
04:28 PM roycroft: jt-shop2: take a baking sheet with shallow sides, put something on the bottom to make it non-slip, like a rubber mat, and then use a norton sharpening stone mat on the inside of the pan
04:29 PM roycroft: https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Norton-Non-Slip-Silicone-Sharpening-Stone-Mat-P1742.aspx
04:29 PM roycroft: you could even get two of those mats, put one on the bench, put the baking pan on it, and then put the other one insde the pan
04:31 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BSRH4X1/
04:31 PM roycroft: something like that for the pan
04:32 PM roycroft: that pan is 15"x10", and the norton pad is 14"x8", so they should fit pretty well
04:33 PM JT-Shop2: thanks
04:35 PM JT-Shop2: BTW that diamond WS flatting thing works great
04:37 PM XXCoder: got pics of it? cant picture it
04:38 PM andypugh: Well, that had me utterly baffled for a while. And I remain puzzled.
04:39 PM andypugh: I had left my milling machine churning away on a long job. I came back to check up on progress and found that there was no tool in the spindle. But this wasn’t the usual “tool broken” thing. There was no _tool_holder_ either!
04:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: manual tool changer?
04:41 PM XXCoder: wow. wonder if it was loosing up and dropped whole thing
04:41 PM XXCoder: or collet cracked and just fell off
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tom mentioned getting a tool wear indicator working in openCV, this could also detect tool missing from holder
04:42 PM XXCoder: other way is stress on spindle
04:42 PM XXCoder: no cutting no stress
04:43 PM andypugh: This is a pneumatic toolholder.
04:43 PM andypugh: (Sorry, pneumatic drawbar)
04:43 PM roycroft: yes, it does work great, jt-shop2
04:43 PM XXCoder: pressure loss?
04:44 PM andypugh: But I can’t actually see how there was room for the toolholder to drop out, even if it was released.
04:44 PM roycroft: it was expensive as hell, but i don't for a moment regret buying it
04:44 PM XXCoder: roy got pic or product link? i cant picture what it is lol
04:44 PM roycroft: you can use it to flatten your old oilstones too, but you have to clean it really well after before you can flatten waterstones on it again
04:44 PM andypugh: And it’s spring-applied, pneumatic release.
04:45 PM andypugh: Also, no sign og the toolholder _anywhere_
04:45 PM andypugh: I was beginning to doubt my own sanity.
04:45 PM XXCoder: you sure you remembered to put in tool?
04:45 PM XXCoder: lol
04:45 PM andypugh: Finally I dound the holder jammed down between the back of the machine and the wall.
04:46 PM andypugh: With a broken tool in it.
04:46 PM xxcoder[m]: dang. how did it go there
04:46 PM roycroft: xxcoder: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005FUHTDG
04:47 PM XXCoder: interesting! I wonder how flat it is
04:47 PM andypugh: As I said, I remain puzzled. I don’t know how it happened. But when I caouldn’t even find the holder….
04:47 PM XXCoder: certified
04:48 PM XXCoder: andy is it CAT taper type?
04:48 PM roycroft: it's very flat
04:49 PM roycroft: not tool room granite plate flat
04:49 PM roycroft: but i think they claim to within 0.0001" overall
04:49 PM XXCoder: flat enough for plenty applications
04:49 PM Splat7847[m]: Must be gremlins..
04:49 PM XXCoder: and yeah very good
04:49 PM roycroft: it's good enough for making sharpening stones flat again :)
04:49 PM XXCoder: for more flat grind stones you would need grinder machine
04:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: needs CNC surveillance cam
04:49 PM XXCoder: and to watch robertz video on that subject
04:49 PM roycroft: or three stones that you can grind against each other
04:50 PM roycroft: which reminds me
04:50 PM XXCoder: capt yep mount it on machine in such way tool is always in center
04:50 PM roycroft: those "precision stones" are all the rage now
04:50 PM roycroft: abom started the trend, i think
04:50 PM roycroft: he bought two stones from someone who sells "precision stone" sets
04:50 PM roycroft: the guy grinds them flat on a surface grinder
04:50 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Yes, BT30. Much longer than the clearange between the work and the toolholder.
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have had parts fly out of my hands or off the bench only to be found months or years later under or behind something that you thought you checked
04:50 PM roycroft: and then you rub them against each other every time you use them
04:50 PM roycroft: nice idea, but you can't keep them flat that way
04:51 PM roycroft: you need three, not two, to keep them flat
04:51 PM Tom_L: anyone hear of submerged machining?
04:51 PM XXCoder: andy yeah theres types that it is possible to fall out sideways and dpwn. like one on D500
04:51 PM andypugh: You can if you have three
04:51 PM roycroft: and i wonder why they're not sold in sets of 3
04:51 PM XXCoder: it was "fun" to see it flip out
04:51 PM XXCoder: tom no? only filled ones I know of is electric wire cutting
04:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: like in a submarine or just under fluid/
04:51 PM Tom_L: under fluid
04:52 PM Splat7847[m]: The camera would have to be protected or you know the next time it happens it's going straight for the camera..
04:52 PM roycroft: i would not call <3 stones "precision"
04:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Splat#7847: of course :)
04:53 PM Tom_L: they've started programming a new part at my kid's work. the block is 27' x 56" x 6" alum. they're not sure yet how they're gonna unload it but... one of the requirements of machining is to maintain a 3° temperature swing during the whole process
04:54 PM Tom_L: aparently submerged machining is a thing
04:54 PM XXCoder: anti-warping?
04:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anti shape change
04:55 PM Tom_L: so they're spending 500k upgrading one of the gantrys to fully seal the work envelope so they can submerge it
04:55 PM Tom_L: the last company producing the part was unable to do it
04:56 PM Tom_L: they'll also have to upgrade their cranes as the current ones can't lift the block
04:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AxF1ZCHz2M
04:56 PM XXCoder: wow big job
04:56 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, 27' long
04:56 PM XXCoder: 500k upgrade? means job is likely many times that
04:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.spmedm.com/bizdemo84745/business/business2_eng.php
04:57 PM XXCoder: nice video capt
04:57 PM XXCoder: washing though, but yeah. cnc machine adopted to it
04:58 PM Tom_L: i'm not quite sure why maintaining that close a temperature variant is that critical
04:59 PM XXCoder: maybe its very cheap alum witg lots stresses in it
04:59 PM Tom_L: it's not cheap aluminum
04:59 PM XXCoder: I mean per pound price wise
04:59 PM Tom_L: aircraft grade
04:59 PM XXCoder: huge block is expensive of course
05:00 PM Tom_L: probably 6061 T651
05:00 PM XXCoder: interesting. very expensive alunm
05:00 PM XXCoder: not sure then
05:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you want to hold to a few microns or lower then you need temp control
05:01 PM xxcoder[m] is now known as xxcoder8265[m]
05:01 PM Tom_L: just loading and unloading the part would tweak it out of tolerance i would think
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: this was mostly aluminum but non contact and we had it in a temp controlled enclosure https://i.imgur.com/gLwOHAg.png
05:03 PM Tom_L: i think the guy that landed the bid quit...
05:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: had laser Interferometers on X, Y and Z to compensate for drift over temp
05:04 PM XXCoder: tom wow why?
05:04 PM XXCoder: no bonus or something?
05:04 PM Tom_L: i don't think he knew what he was getting into but just saw another job to do
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: odd to require that tolerance in aluminum
05:05 PM Tom_L: i'm sure it will take weeks just to program it
05:05 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], yeah that's what i didn't get
05:05 PM XXCoder: shop I used to work at was way too careless on programming sometimes
05:06 PM XXCoder: I still remember that 200 parts scrapped because one part was on wrong side
05:06 PM XXCoder: *feature
05:06 PM Tom_L: my kid did a study on one of their parts and presented the programmers with a notebook full of improvements
05:06 PM XXCoder: then another 200 scrapped because it needed BIGGER radiuses
05:06 PM XXCoder: the really should have ran 1 or 2 then sent em off for approval
05:06 PM Tom_L: they were surprised/impressed because nobody previously was able to
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the company probably got rid of or scared away all the old timers
05:09 PM Tom_L: they don't hire good help... just cheap part loaders
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: after all , an engineer is an engineer 🤣
05:09 PM XXCoder: well whtever the reasons, impression is good
05:09 PM Tom_L: that's what pisses him off the most
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the bean counters only see a degree, they can't tell who has their head up their ass or not
05:10 PM Tom_L: this is how we always do it... be it right or wrong..
05:11 PM Tom_L: he had one gantry shut down and recalibrated and amazingly they started running good parts again
05:13 PM XXCoder: we had old fadal that needes shut down and restart once a while
05:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: imagine that!
05:15 PM XXCoder: its boot up procure is nasty
05:18 PM Tom_L: my bud had a couple of those
05:18 PM Tom_L: kinda slow
05:19 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:19 PM XXCoder: it was perfect for engraving those danged inocel washers though
05:19 PM XXCoder: robodrill was just way too fast
05:19 PM XXCoder: expecially since have to measure them and sort them by .0005"
05:21 PM Tom_L: surprised a fadal can hold that
05:21 PM XXCoder: 1/16 ballendmill? sure it can
05:21 PM XXCoder: and yeah it worked fine
05:22 PM roguish[m]: yeah baby, back from court. case got resolved before anyone in the group got called on...... done for at least another year.
05:22 PM XXCoder: nice
05:22 PM Tom_L: yippee!
05:23 PM Tom_L: surprised you didn't get reassigned
05:23 PM roguish[m]: $15 and 34c per mile.....
05:24 PM roguish[m]: just about pays for gas.........
05:24 PM Tom_L: you didn't get a cold sammich for lunch?
05:24 PM Tom_L: :)
05:25 PM Tom_L: you got cheated... the govt allows 58.5c
05:27 PM roycroft: most cases are settled within minutes before trial
05:28 PM roguish[m]: that was it.
05:28 PM roycroft: for prospective jurors that's great
05:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can you take the long way and say 500 miles or similar?
05:29 PM roycroft: you get selected for the pool, sit around and wait for the settlement, then go home for good
05:29 PM roguish[m]: yup
05:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: testing's test's
05:29 PM roycroft: the rules, around here at least, are that you only get called for one case
05:30 PM roycroft: whether that case is settled before trial, or you're not selected as a juror, or you get selected and the trial takes six months
05:33 PM XXCoder: tom you using MAC also?
05:33 PM Tom_L: pc?
05:33 PM Tom_L: no
05:33 PM roguish[m]: all I know is the judge said all of us in the room could leave and we're done for a year........
05:34 PM XXCoder: hmm well you and roy ' is acting weird on bridge lol
05:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: we are working on the bot and only you and roycrofts ' get added text
05:34 PM Tom_L: no more questions... boom! out the door.
05:35 PM Tom_L: added text?
05:35 PM Tom_L: op status maybe?
05:35 PM XXCoder: you didn&apos;t get a cold sammich for lunch?
05:35 PM Tom_L: no.. he's not op
05:35 PM XXCoder: example
05:35 PM Tom_L: stock hexchat here
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: :
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you didn&apos;t get a cold sammich for lunch? as it appears on Discord
05:36 PM XXCoder: im using hexchat for irc also. i'm using hexchat lemme see
05:36 PM XXCoder: yep mine is modified same
05:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just odd
05:37 PM xxcoder8265[m]: its hexchat bug
05:38 PM xxcoder8265[m]: or rather this bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=569581
05:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe try US Uhmerican English layout?
05:39 PM XXCoder: im using american english layout
05:40 PM XXCoder: its just gtk+ bug on older versions
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so Debian oldness issue
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: older,stable pre-big fix
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: s/big/bug/
05:41 PM XXCoder: well I guess we jknow more now lol
05:42 PM Tom_L: what about winders?
05:43 PM Tom_L: this one is on a win box
05:43 PM XXCoder: hexchat for windows uses gtk also
05:44 PM Tom_L: there is a 2
05:44 PM Tom_L: 2.16.1
05:44 PM Tom_L: this is 2.14
05:45 PM Tom_L: 2-12-22
05:45 PM XXCoder: im using 2.16
05:46 PM JT-Shop2: OMG, this chisel is scary sharp now... I can see my face in the bevel
05:46 PM XXCoder: fancy
05:46 PM XXCoder: super sharp is less and more safer
05:46 PM Tom_L: careful or you may see red
05:46 PM XXCoder: less, it cuts very easy
05:46 PM JT-Shop2: not really, just makes it easier to work
05:47 PM XXCoder: safer, cuts is very clean and easy to sew
05:47 PM JT-Shop2: all I have to do is bump something and it's the SNL Juila Childs skit
05:48 PM roycroft: you're a regular roy underhill
05:48 PM * roycroft does not think there was a single episode of the woodwright's shop where roy did not bleed on camera
05:49 PM Tom_L: you don't know your limits unless you do
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: No. of episodes: 481
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: No. of seasons: 38
05:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: On one occasion, Roy seriously injured his hand with a hatchet.[5] The scene was kept in the show because it was the last take of this particular scene. Underhill reviewed the take and felt that it gave the show some realism.[7]
05:51 PM roycroft: but what is the number of bleedin' episodes?
05:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 482
05:56 PM roycroft: possibly in some of the episodes where he was visiting a forge he burned himself instead of cut himself
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds like a good running gag where he gets injured in every episode
06:10 PM JT-Shop2: I liked watching Peter Ross on the WoodWright Shop
06:25 PM roycroft: i pretty much enjoyed the whole show, in spite of the gore factor
06:27 PM XXCoder: got my balls in
06:27 PM JT-Shop2: yep, I used to watch them all
06:27 PM XXCoder: weights bit lesss than I expected but probably plenty
06:28 PM JT-Shop2: 9 tenons fitted to the mortises time to call it a day... 3 more tomorrow
06:28 PM JT-Shop2: roycroft: I'm thinking of making 2 piece square pegs to lock the tenons in...
07:10 PM unterhaus: Roy underhill always made me feel better about how clean I keep my shop
07:10 PM unterhaus: but I think some of it was probably staged
07:14 PM roycroft: yes, i think he cultivates the chaos
07:14 PM roycroft: offset pegs, jt-shop2?
07:14 PM roycroft: i used offset pegs on my workbench and i'm confident the joints will be tight 100 years from now
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08:55 PM XXCoder: ebay listing with epic rant https://www.reddit.com/r/Machinists/comments/uh4yqz/apparently_datron_spindles_are_shit/
09:17 PM Rab: Haha, brutal
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09:29 PM Rab: Is that a realistic used price, or are they eating the listing just to rage out at Datron?
09:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for the rage
09:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: thought i recall their machines that size being $60-100K ish
09:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: huh now I'm seeing them used for >$200K
09:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: WTF? https://www.ebay.com/itm/114756083153
09:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: brand new Datron M8 Cube. Purchased new in 2018 for $300,000
09:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is stupid silly
09:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: $5k spindle on a machine that size is $20k in parts in low volume
09:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Travel 40” x 33” x 10″ (X, Y, Z)
09:54 PM Tom_L: Z seems to always be too short
09:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe a few $K more for the toolchanger
09:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.datron.com/cnc-milling-machines/m8cube/
09:55 PM Tom_L: mach or lcnc?
09:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Working Area 1,000mm x 700mm x 200mm (39” x 27.5” x 7.5”)
09:57 PM Tom_L: quite a bit of tool deflection in that videl
09:57 PM Tom_L: o
09:58 PM Rab: Fast digital servo control with Microsoft® Windows® control computer
09:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: add $20k for a Siemens controller
09:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "the best in the industry" :)
09:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just ask Siemens
09:59 PM Tom_L: my kid uses siemens on both the mags and gantry
09:59 PM Tom_L: he doesn't seem to mind it
09:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's popular
10:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: $300k for a machine without a warranty on the spindle bearings
10:00 PM Tom_L: they teach haas control at the votech though
10:01 PM Tom_L: well, they can't oversee the runin on the bearings is probably why
10:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you can have g-sensors on the spindle
10:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and you can monitor the spindle speed and load
10:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so I call BS, anyone that buys one deserves what they get from them
10:03 PM Tom_L: heh
10:03 PM Tom_L: i don't disagree
10:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is like paying Ferrari prices for a Honda
10:04 PM Tom_L: i'd rather have a bugatti anyway
10:05 PM Tom_L: there is a french company here i'd like to take a tour of once
10:06 PM Tom_L: they put up a good size building recently and i'm told it houses only 2 machines
10:08 PM Tom_L: https://www.figeac-aero.com/en/figeac-aero-north-america-introduction
10:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.figeac-aero.com/sites/default/files/figeac-aero-north-a-5.jpg 3 in this pic alone
10:14 PM Tom_L: that's their old building
10:14 PM Tom_L: they put another one up right across the street
10:15 PM Tom_L: 37meter X gantrys i think i saw
10:15 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:16 PM Tom_L: jumbo jet parts
10:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.figeac-aero.com/sites/default/files/figeac-aero-tolerie.jpg
10:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I see lots of treatment tanks/pools
10:18 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:18 PM Tom_L: several companies here do parts start to finish
10:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: giant Mazak https://www.figeac-aero.com/sites/default/files/figeac-aero-precision-2.jpg
10:19 PM CaptainHindsight: i should offer machines to make an entire fuselage out of a once piece billet
10:19 PM CaptainHindsight: imagine the waste 🙂
10:19 PM Tom_L: heh
10:20 PM Tom_L: my kid goes thru quite a few chips in a day
10:20 PM Tom_L: on the zimmermans
10:20 PM Tom_L: that new part is the biggest one they've attempted so far
10:20 PM CaptainHindsight: i wouldn't be able to do it
10:20 PM Tom_L: he mostly does wing spars etc on those
10:20 PM CaptainHindsight: I like design and building, not running
10:21 PM Tom_L: kinda like zeeshan
10:21 PM Tom_L: and his drywall stuff
10:22 PM CaptainHindsight: I mostly do R&D
10:23 PM Tom_L: i kinda figued that
10:23 PM CaptainHindsight: if it's already done, why do you need me?
10:23 PM CaptainHindsight: now I'm holding my nose and writing software
10:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://imgur.com/gallery/qycDcBz LOL
10:38 PM Tom_L: :)
10:55 PM roycroft: so ups just showed up with a very heavy, ginormous box
10:55 PM roycroft: in it is not only my bandsaw table, but the trunion assembly, both upper and lower blade guides, and both wheels, including bearings and mounting brackets
10:56 PM roycroft: basically the entire saw minus the frame and motor and power switch
10:57 PM XXCoder: poor ups guy
10:57 PM roycroft: i won't know until at least tomorrow if this table is flat
10:58 PM roycroft: and i guess i have a bunch of spare parts now
10:59 PM roycroft: although i have no use at all for the guide bearings - i'm actually already thinking of replacing the stock ones with carter guides
10:59 PM roycroft: i already got the carter guide for narrow blades
10:59 PM xxcoder8265[m]: reuse those bearings for somethibg else
10:59 PM xxcoder8265[m]: or massive fidget spinner lol
11:00 PM xxcoder8265[m]: I still have very large cnc spindle bearings I wanted to turn into joke fidget spinner but meh
11:00 PM roycroft: they are crappy bearings
11:00 PM roycroft: which is a big reason i may replace them
11:01 PM roycroft: i guess i could ebay them
11:01 PM roycroft: someone needs spare parts
11:01 PM XXCoder: lol would be funny if good part of cost is covered by those