#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 28 2022

01:54 AM randy: morning
02:24 AM Deejay: moin
04:02 AM tcurdt: pcw--home reading that correctly I could just use a 470 ohm series resistor per endstop. it would protect the card if a cable gets loose and touches the machine frame (which may or may not share a GND with the vfd) ... and with that I would be somewhat safe ... even without optocouplers
04:58 AM Tom_L: morning
05:45 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:36 AM * tcurdt wishes he had found the 7i76E ... the 7i92 makes thing so much harder :-(
09:16 AM randy: i share the ENA between all motors. i'm using an pull up to "disable" the servos when the 7i92 is not active
10:32 AM unterhaus: well, i just noticed I got a batch of cutting oil on my unpainted shop wall
10:32 AM unterhaus: I wonder if oil-based killz would cover it?
10:36 AM unterhaus: internet says yes, but that makes me suspicious
10:57 AM cradek: in my experience, yes it will totally work
10:57 AM cradek: the latex kilz won't
10:58 AM cradek: I've convered many sins with that stuff
11:05 AM roycroft: it really doesn't matter if the killz you use is water-based or oil-based, as far as it's blocking capability
11:05 AM roycroft: that's more a function of what it's sticking to
11:05 AM roycroft: the ingredient that blocks bleed-through in both the water-based and oil-based versions is shellac
11:06 AM roycroft: which is very effective at blocking/isolating
11:11 AM unterhaus: I thought some varieties of killz is not shellac based
11:14 AM roycroft: the ones that i've used all have shellac
11:14 AM roycroft: imo, it would be useless without it
11:14 AM roycroft: the shellac is the magic ingredient
11:15 AM roycroft: on raw wood i tend to used the oil-based product, because it does not raise the grain
11:15 AM roycroft: if i'm dealing with something like magic marker on an interior painted wall, i'll use the latex version because that's more compatible with the existing finish
11:16 AM roycroft: so in your case, i'd recommend the oil-based version
11:17 AM roycroft: after a generous application of solvent to remove as much of the cutting oil as possible, of course
11:31 AM roycroft: i had to paint a white textured wall once that some kids had scribbled on with crayons
11:32 AM roycroft: there was no way i could get all the crayon marks off, but i did my best at removing them, then painted the entire wall with latex killz before applying a coat of white latex paint
11:32 AM roycroft: there was no bleed through, which surprised me a bit - i thought i might have to do more than just a coat of killz
12:04 PM unterhaus: it seems to have washed off pretty well and I have the latex killz, so I'll probably use that
12:05 PM unterhaus: the internet said to wash with vinegar, so they got that part right
12:12 PM roycroft: vinegar would mostly remove it, but it will raise the grain
12:12 PM roycroft: which is not a huge deal - you can just lightly sand it down
12:12 PM XXCoder: yeah, sand again after that yeah
12:12 PM XXCoder: pretty good idea to anyway, it wont get rough again
12:13 PM XXCoder: brasso sheets? not too sure lol
12:13 PM roycroft: i often use water-based dyes as my first finishing process
12:13 PM roycroft: when i do that, i spritz the wood with water first, let it dry, then sand down the nubs before i apply the dye
12:15 PM roycroft: i tend to use water-based dyes because i like to use shellac as a seal coat before building up the next layer of finish, and shellac will partially dissolve alcohol-based dyes, causing problems
12:15 PM roycroft: i don't spray shellac - i brush iton
12:20 PM unterhaus: no grain, drywall
12:29 PM roycroft: oh
12:30 PM roycroft: drywall will still get a little nubby
12:31 PM roycroft: it looks like the usps are emulating ups again
12:31 PM roycroft: a parcel arrived at my local post office on monday, but it scheduled for delivery on friday
12:31 PM roycroft: they are still sitting on it
12:32 PM roycroft: because it would be sacrilege to deliver it early!
12:46 PM XXCoder: yep
01:11 PM roycroft: i just saw a listing for a "vintage 1950s" wristwatch
01:11 PM roycroft: the description says "runs fine, but needs battery"
01:11 PM unterhaus: UPS maintains better deniability, they leave it at a depot and hope they don't lose it
01:11 PM roycroft: the problem is that battery-powered quartz crystal wristwatches did not exist until 1969
01:12 PM unterhaus: I was wondering, I remember a lot of self-winding watches
01:12 PM roycroft: yes, self-winders have been around since the early 20th century
01:12 PM roycroft: but battery watches, not until 1969
01:13 PM unterhaus: so either their date is wrong, they don't know how to wind it, or it's a broken self-winding watch
01:13 PM roycroft: there were quartz crystal clocks in the late '50s, but they were huge, and were made for radio/tv broadcast stations
01:14 PM unterhaus: I suppose if you don't wear a self-winding watch, it doesn't run right away
01:14 PM XXCoder: rewinders is surpsing pretty pl;d
01:14 PM XXCoder: *old
01:14 PM XXCoder: theres 2 variants, the spinners and earlier "bouncing" type.
01:14 PM roycroft: i have a rule: if there are no pictures of the movement i'm not interested
01:15 PM unterhaus: online watch commerce is one of the scammiest around, I think
01:15 PM roycroft: it certainly can be
01:15 PM roycroft: it's actually not as bad on ebay as elsewhere, though
01:15 PM roycroft: or doesn't have to be
01:15 PM unterhaus: they have an anti-scam system of some kind, right?
01:15 PM unterhaus: specifically for watches
01:16 PM roycroft: as long as one is careful, and buys from a seller with almost 100% positive feedback, and a free return policy
01:16 PM roycroft: there are authentication services, and if i were paying more than $500 for a watch i'd want a certificate of authenticity
01:16 PM unterhaus: I have heard of a buyer that stole parts and then returned for a refund
01:17 PM roycroft: but there's the standard ebay buyer protection policy, and my rule is to always pay with paypal one ebay, so i have the paypal protection as well
01:17 PM roycroft: that is rather reprehensible, unterhaus
01:17 PM roycroft: but i've come to accept that there are people in this world who engage in reprehensible behavior
01:18 PM unterhaus: it has definitely gotten worse, particularly since ebay just wants to be amazon
01:18 PM roycroft: i'm getting old, and already have to deal with age-related sleeping problems
01:18 PM roycroft: i don't need a guilty conscience to cause me to lose further sleep
01:19 PM roycroft: but i supposed there are them that are totally lacking a conscience
01:20 PM unterhaus: I am conflicted between selling and just giving stuff away. Ebay has made giving stuff away much easier
01:20 PM roycroft: i've fortunately never been scammed selling on ebay
01:20 PM unterhaus: I'm very picky about what I buy on there too. Haven't bought anything in a month
01:20 PM roycroft: i've been scammed a handful of times buying on ebay, but in every case i got my money back
01:20 PM roycroft: one time i got it back twice :)
01:21 PM roycroft: and i actually tried to give back one of the refunds, but was told by paypal not to worry about it
01:22 PM unterhaus: I have never been scammed. One no-pay, one guy didn't ship until I threatened him, and one guy that wanted to cancel, refund, buy at a lower price and ship overnight for free
01:23 PM unterhaus: that last guy was a trip, he needed the servo motor I was selling desperately, but wanted to save $25.
01:24 PM unterhaus: Recently wished I hadn't sold the pair of them I had because it would be perfect for my lathe
01:24 PM roycroft: you should have accepted his terms, but then added a $125 nuisance fee to the bill
01:25 PM unterhaus: I did a fairly good job of convincing him I wasn't in a hurry if he really wanted me to do that
01:25 PM unterhaus: I had it packed and had the time to drop it off at the post office, but not all that other nonsense
01:27 PM unterhaus: I get all energetic about selling stuff and then something like that happens and I stop for a couple of years
01:27 PM roycroft: i have this weird way of looking at such things
01:28 PM roycroft: if i am going to ask for a deal/favor/whatever, i think "if i were the seller and someone were asking me for that deal, would i feel ok about it?"
01:28 PM unterhaus: well, since he was so desperate, I should have cancelled the sale and actually made some money instead of just selling them for what I paid for them
01:28 PM roycroft: i'm not energetic enough about selling stuff unless the stuff is really big and in my way
01:29 PM unterhaus: relist for an extra $125, I like that, would have made it an even $200
01:29 PM roycroft: it's usually more about clearing the floor space than the money
01:29 PM unterhaus: I really have a lot of stuff I would hate to see go to the trash and I probably could sell
01:29 PM roycroft: i'm also not much into haggling
01:29 PM roycroft: i just don't have the time nor energy for it
01:29 PM unterhaus: I think those are the two choices
01:30 PM unterhaus: those are the two choices for my stuff, that is
01:30 PM roycroft: i set a price that is fair, i post on cl and state the price is "firm", or list on ebay as a buy it now without accepting offers
01:30 PM roycroft: and i wait until someone pays the asking price
01:30 PM roycroft: unless i *really* need the floor space, in which case i usually lower the price a bit if it doesn't sell quickly
01:30 PM unterhaus: accepting offers is how I got in trouble with the servo motors
01:31 PM unterhaus: I think
01:31 PM roycroft: it's surprising how many people want to haggle and get offended when i remind them that my asking price is fair, and that i stipulaed "firm" in the listing
01:31 PM roycroft: yeah, i just don't do that any more for almost anything
01:32 PM roycroft: the only exception is on something whose value i'm not sure about
01:32 PM roycroft: in which case i tend to price it high, accept offers, but without an automatic sell option
01:32 PM roycroft: so that if the person offers me $0.01 less than i'm asking, i still have to approve it
01:33 PM roycroft: that often brings me a few offers that give me a better sense of the actual value of the item
01:34 PM unterhaus: I liked the option to buy it now at my dream price and if someone bids then the bin goes away
01:34 PM unterhaus: that's how I use best offer
01:35 PM unterhaus: If I can give something to someone local and I don't have to see it again, I'll list it on buy nothing
01:35 PM roycroft: yeah, that's a good way to do it, if you do auctions
01:35 PM unterhaus: I have some construction stilts I can't give away and I don't want to go through the hassle of cl
01:35 PM roycroft: i don't like to mess around with auctions, for the most part
01:36 PM unterhaus: I think they got rid of the bin/auction option though?
01:36 PM roycroft: i just set a fair price, and if nobody buys it by the time i want it to be gone, i donate it to charity and take a tax write-off
01:36 PM unterhaus: Maybe I should list my stilts on ebay
01:36 PM roycroft: i just saw a listing with a bid/dream offer option
01:36 PM unterhaus: but I'll probably take them to habitat.
01:37 PM unterhaus: have to use that with some servo amps then
01:46 PM roycroft: well, i just started the sample print of my last hardware box file
01:46 PM roycroft: if it prints properly then everything will have been tested, and i can start printing boxes like crazy
01:49 PM roycroft: and speaking of stuff getting in the way, i have a bunch of brewing equipment that i need to sell very soon
01:49 PM roycroft: brewing season is almost over, and if i try to sell it over the summer there won't be many folks interested
02:40 PM MrSunshine: oh what fun, forgot -a on usermod -aG ... locked myself out of sudoers etc on the computer and the stupid root login access disabled from install ... :P
02:46 PM XXCoder: fun
02:55 PM serp: hope it's not a remote computer
03:03 PM MrSunshine: nah, usb to the rescue :P
03:03 PM MrSunshine: but the stupid root lock on all new installations i a pita
05:34 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/reindeer/mold/Reindeer_mold7.jpg
05:34 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/reindeer/mold/Reindeer_mold8.jpg
05:35 PM Tom_L: all fixed but the inlet
05:36 PM roycroft: fudge molds?
05:37 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:37 PM Tom_L: he's got a bunch of scrap PLA he wanted to try and inject
05:37 PM roycroft: looks delicious
05:37 PM roycroft: especially if it's fudge with walnut bits
05:37 PM Tom_L: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tempimage/p1230648.jpg
05:37 PM Tom_L: he's working on something...
05:38 PM Tom_L: heating with eddy current
05:38 PM flyback: hey
05:38 PM flyback: what's the best pci-express lpt card you guys have found
05:39 PM Tom_L: one that works
05:39 PM Tom_L: i don't use many
05:39 PM Tom_L: i have one in a box somewhere i was gonna use but my application couldn't find it
05:39 PM flyback: I managed to convert a dead computer's genetic xp home and move it from the head hardware onto a dell optiplex i3 and convert it from xp home to xp pro and the licence change since the dell had a licence built into the hw
05:40 PM flyback: so I saved this guys legacy music programs for xp
05:40 PM flyback: but one problem
05:40 PM flyback: cubase uses a dongle
05:40 PM Tom_L: :)
05:40 PM flyback: yeah im still in shock it worked
05:40 PM flyback: all I had to do was
05:40 PM flyback: a) take a blank hd
05:40 PM flyback: install a clean copy of dell oem xp pro cd
05:41 PM flyback: recording the licence key in the new install, write it down
05:41 PM flyback: b) swap in the hard drive from the old pc and boot it up
05:41 PM flyback: c) insert the dell oem pro cd and run setup.exe and select "upgrade"
05:41 PM flyback: d) type in the new key from the new install
05:41 PM flyback: e) profit (well driver cleanup, etc then
05:42 PM Tom_L: roycroft, looking at it where do you recon the best injection point to be?
05:42 PM Tom_L: i'm thinking in the neck about in line with the holes
05:42 PM flyback: but I figured you guys would be the ones to ask about a lpt card for pci-e
05:43 PM Tom_L: i haven't had much use for one but that one app and it didn't work out for it
05:43 PM Tom_L: i don't even recall what it was now... something legacy
05:43 PM flyback: moschip would be my first choice
05:44 PM flyback: but I am probably going to end up geting a asix based one from SIIG or SYBA
05:44 PM flyback: I trust asix, their usb to ethernet products are rock solid so I imagine their pci-e to lpt should rock also
05:45 PM flyback: I was lucky I kept a few sandy and ivy bridges around at work instead of recycling them
05:45 PM flyback: ivy bridge = 3rd generation i3, i5, i7 and last intel hw to support xp
05:45 PM Tom_L: never throw anything away unless you can't get in the door
05:46 PM flyback: his 2005ish athlon64 has swollen caps, a absolute shit ultra power supply which are notorous for blowing up on their way out
05:46 PM flyback: and it was so fried it won't even tell the psu to turn on anymore
05:46 PM flyback: I think the psu went and fried the board on it's way out
05:46 PM flyback: never thought this was going to work
05:46 PM flyback: figured activation would stop me dead
05:46 PM flyback: but the upgrade install worked
05:47 PM Tom_L: are you still up NE?
05:47 PM flyback: Tom_L, we have like 20+ pc's I have to get rid of some of them at work :)
05:47 PM flyback: but I Kept a few older ones around cause I knew we get customers who need xp still
05:47 PM flyback: NE?
05:47 PM Tom_L: northeast
05:47 PM flyback: yeah pennsylvania, 45 mins from pittburgh
05:47 PM Tom_L: at least i thought you were
05:48 PM flyback: never lived ourside of a 15-30 min radius my 486 yrs
05:48 PM flyback: in fact I am moving about 5 mins from my folks house and into my own home late this year
05:48 PM flyback: if it all goes well
05:48 PM Tom_L: you should get out more
05:48 PM flyback: aunt has a stroke 5+ yrs ago and never got better movement wise, so she bought a brand new single floor house
05:48 PM flyback: and is selling me her old one
05:48 PM Tom_L: nice
05:49 PM flyback: I will have room to setup labs etc
05:49 PM flyback: mabye finally learning mcu coding etc
05:49 PM flyback: we will see
05:49 PM flyback: I am going to be pinching pennies etc
05:49 PM flyback: and I Just cost myself $1-2k last night
05:49 PM flyback: ugh
05:49 PM * flyback smashed the car into a telephone pole
05:50 PM flyback: 2nd time I wrecked this car backing up in the 4 yrs I have had it
05:50 PM flyback: oh well
05:50 PM flyback: last time I tore the front off
05:50 PM Tom_L: gotta watch them poles.. they tend to jump out at ya sometimes
05:50 PM flyback: this time I smashed in a door and ripped the mirror off
05:50 PM flyback: well this one pole it's 2 inches from the side of a parking space at work
05:50 PM flyback: and i turned into it backing out without thinking
05:51 PM flyback: I ripped some electrical boxes off the pole
05:51 PM flyback: but my box told me that stuff was dead when he bought the building
05:51 PM flyback: so no loss
05:51 PM flyback: boss
05:54 PM flyback: getting the estimate tomarrow morning :/
05:54 PM flyback: my insurance should cover most of it but still mad
06:10 PM JT-Shop2: Tom_L: the injection point is a black art if you don't want swirls :)
06:11 PM Tom_L: yeah i can imagine
06:13 PM Tom_L: may put a couple runners outside it and put the hole outside the mold cavity
06:13 PM JT-Shop2: a lot of molds have multiple injection places and the sprue is cut off after
06:14 PM JT-Shop2: a lot of the sprues and bad parts get reground
06:14 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:15 PM Tom_L: i couldn't stand the look of that first half so i recut it this evening
06:15 PM Tom_L: .003" deeper... don't tell anybody
06:16 PM JT-Shop2: lol
06:17 PM Tom_L: this is more or less his project. he just wanted a mold to play with
06:17 PM JT-Shop2: I need to design and build a more efficient storage for boards... 4 saw horses are too one dimensional and take up too much floor space
06:17 PM Tom_L: hang from the rafters?
06:17 PM Tom_L: or would they support it?
06:18 PM JT-Shop2: I have some shelves down one side of the building about 8' up
06:18 PM JT-Shop2: needs to be at my level lol
06:20 PM JT-Shop2: https://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/top-shelves-01.jpg
06:20 PM roycroft: one of the reasons i'm building these new cabinets for fasteners and tools is that i have no good lumber storage in my shop
06:20 PM Tom_L: make some stilts
06:20 PM roycroft: and right now i have an entire wall covered with my fastener drawers
06:20 PM Tom_L: like the drywall guys use :)
06:20 PM roycroft: when i get the new cabinets built that wall wil be free, and i'll install some lumber storage racks
06:20 PM JT-Shop2: after sorting through some white oak now I need more storage for boards that are s3s
06:23 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.woodcraft.com/product_images/woodworking-project-paper-plan-to-build-lumber-sheet-goods-storage-rack/5845144969702d19cc0007c3/super_zoom.jpg?c=1480922185
06:24 PM JT-Shop2: something similar to that but double sided and loose the wheels, I have a pallet jack
06:25 PM * JT-Shop2 listens to Krnie K-Doe
06:25 PM JT-Shop2: Ernie even
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: whatcha makin?
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 9900
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I took the ch382 off the wiki
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: MCS9901
06:29 PM JT-Shop2: reindeer
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://cdn.datasheetspdf.com/pdf-down/M/C/S/MCS9901-ASIX.pdf
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: flyback: https://www.newegg.com/p/17Z-00EK-00D44
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: flyback: https://www.ebay.com/itm/174383341569
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some moschip LPT devices had issues with EPP mode
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have a few 9901 cards, they work fine
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: isn't there always more room out back?
06:30 PM JT-Shop2: Tom_L: the trusses are so braced it ain't funny how stiff they are
06:30 PM flyback: yeah mos was my first choice also
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: flyback: is it true that you are moving to a new house in Calgary?
06:30 PM flyback: although I will have to wait more for them to arrive
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: flyback: an old used lived in house?
06:30 PM flyback: heh
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ouch
06:30 PM flyback: oh you used asix also?
06:31 PM flyback: nm
06:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: flyback: what are you building with the LPT card?
06:31 PM flyback: msx is asix
06:31 PM flyback: just a software dongle
06:31 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], some guy want's to try injecting some scrap PLA
06:32 PM flyback: ooooooooooo
06:32 PM flyback: asix bought moschip
06:32 PM flyback: it looks like
06:33 PM flyback: so that means their shit is good
06:33 PM flyback: :)
06:33 PM flyback: thx CaptHindsight[m]
06:33 PM flyback: now I just need to find some close sellers in usa
06:34 PM flyback: I think I found 2 cards
06:34 PM flyback: one is $35 but literally only hrs away and one is $19 but california ---> pa, ick
06:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halmodule.html
06:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and now https://www.qtpyvcp.com/hal.html
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop2: how many jars of Folgers can one man drink? :)
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i wish they sold similar storage containers
06:35 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2: so, did you like those chickens I showed you?
06:35 PM flyback: I figured if they work in linuxcnc they should work in xp with a simple sw dongle
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hah https://www.ebay.com/itm/255497277371
06:35 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop2: want a few?
06:37 PM XXCoder: lol
06:37 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: I have enough chickens lol
06:37 PM roguish[m]: ah, but these are pretty.
06:38 PM flyback: if any of you ever need to swap oem on a xp install for a cnc machine etc
06:38 PM flyback: let me know
06:38 PM JT-Shop2: CaptHindsight[m]: he could drink all of them until he got colon cancer and died
06:38 PM flyback: I will be happy to walk you thru
06:38 PM JT-Shop2: those have electrical fittings in them the rest are in boxes
06:40 PM flyback: <25CaptHindsight[m]18> some moschip LPT devices had issues with EPP mode
06:40 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: when this bunch is gone I'm done with chickens, 3 are coming up on 5 years old and the other 10 are a bit over 2 years old
06:40 PM flyback: shouldnt' be an issue
06:40 PM flyback: I doubt these dongles are anything but straight pio
06:40 PM flyback: just to read a licence rom
06:40 PM JT-Shop2: say goodnight Gracie
06:43 PM flyback: CaptHindsight[m], im glad you linked that document, I didn't even think of the fact moschip might have got bought out
06:44 PM flyback: OH
06:44 PM flyback: thank you dude
06:44 PM flyback: The PCIe bridge series, MCS99xx, provide a single-chip, PCI Express x1 (single-lane) to a peripheral controller with support for single and multi-port Serial, Parallel, VGA, ISA and USB interfaces. PCIe is an interconnection system based on the PCI standard connecting a microprocessor to attached devices for high-speed operation. The electrical and mechanical interfaces of PCIe are not compatible with the PCI bus interface. This bus also
06:44 PM flyback: provides a high-speed 2.5GBs data rate.
06:45 PM flyback: found this while reading about the buyout
06:45 PM flyback: they have a pci-e to isa bridge chip
06:52 PM flyback: https://www.verical.com/datasheet/asix-electronics-corporation-pci-bridge-chip-mcs9845cv-ba-4373642.pdf <--- pci-e to isa somewhat
07:11 PM roycroft: well, baltic birch plywood has hit the $200 mark
07:11 PM roycroft: that is astonshing
07:11 PM roycroft: astonishing, even
07:11 PM roycroft: i was just at my sheet good suppliers to get pricing, and 18mm bb is $209.95
07:12 PM * CloudEvil idly wonders at the price of 18mm full sheet aluminium.
07:12 PM roycroft: i asked them if that's retail or trade price, and was told that "having an account with us right now means we'll sell it to you - we're not selling retail"
07:12 PM roycroft: and i also asked how long that price was valid, and was told "until your truck leaves the parking lot - price and availability change several times/day"
07:13 PM CloudEvil: wow
07:13 PM roycroft: but the potentially good news is that i was able to talk to one of the buyers, and asked about eucalyptus plywood
07:14 PM roycroft: he hadn't heard of it, but looked it up online and said it would be interesting to see if they could get it
07:14 PM roycroft: it will take months to get a supply chain set up for that, but in the long term it might be really good for them and for their customers
07:15 PM roycroft: because this bb plywood problem is *not* going away any time soon
07:15 PM CloudEvil: I am amused that the first site I find says tehy want £95.94 for a sheet, or if I want to buy 22, I can get each sheet for only £127.14
07:15 PM roycroft: yeah, when you go over quota it costs you extra :)
07:16 PM roycroft: so i'm actually pondering making my drawer sides out of solid wood, and perhaps even my drawer fronts
07:16 PM roycroft: it boggles the mind that solid hardwood is cheaper than plywood
07:17 PM Tom_L: more labor intensive?
07:17 PM CloudEvil: Shipping is fucky
07:18 PM Tom_L: shipping should be a wash for either
07:18 PM roycroft: $13.12/bf
07:18 PM roycroft: for baltic birch plywood
07:18 PM CloudEvil: Both container shipping, and delays in container shipping have gotten comedically spiky and problematic at the moment.
07:18 PM CloudEvil: If any of it needs imported.
07:18 PM roycroft: tom_l: it's almost impossible to get
07:18 PM roycroft: the plywood is manufactured in lithuania and finland
07:18 PM roycroft: but all the birch they use comes from russia
07:19 PM CloudEvil: Fun.
07:19 PM roycroft: rough 8/4 poplar is $3.56/bf right now
07:19 PM roycroft: so more than 4x less expensive than bb plywood
07:20 PM roycroft: it's not as stable as bb ply, but it will do
07:59 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:09 PM unterhaus: hardwood is mostly domestic, unless you buy it in a big box store
08:09 PM unterhaus: I always buy quartersawn pine when I see it in the big box stores, for drawer sides
08:10 PM unterhaus: nobody else likes it because of the knots, but drawer sides are short
08:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/reindeer/mold/Reindeer_mold13.jpg
08:54 PM XXCoder: I see injection point was added
08:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/reindeer/mold/Reindeer_mold12.jpg
09:03 PM flyback: nice molds
09:03 PM XXCoder: indeed
09:04 PM Tom_L: thanks
09:38 PM roycroft: my last test print is almost done
09:38 PM roycroft: it will be nice to have verified all the print files, and move from testing mode to production mode
09:39 PM XXCoder: awesome
09:40 PM roycroft: it will ease my mind when i'm able to shift gears like that, for sure
09:52 PM roycroft: i am also realising that once i'm ready to start printing en masse, i'll be consuming 1kg of filament every couple days or so
09:53 PM XXCoder: yummy ;)
09:53 PM XXCoder: yeah thats a lot
09:53 PM roycroft: that's going to really stretch the budget
09:53 PM XXCoder: you heard of gst3d?
09:53 PM roycroft: no
09:53 PM XXCoder: their pla filament isnt amazing, but cheap at bulk
09:54 PM roycroft: i'll look at that
09:54 PM XXCoder: its at https://gst3d.com/
09:54 PM XXCoder: note I never tested their petg which is harder to make than pla
09:54 PM roycroft: i spent several months when i first got my 3d printer trying out various filament vendors
09:54 PM roycroft: as soon as i discovered atomic filament i was sold on their product
09:54 PM XXCoder: currently they have $10 each roll deal for 10 pack of any color
09:55 PM XXCoder: atomic is very good indeed
09:55 PM roycroft: made in usa, fast shipping, and it works brilliantly
09:55 PM roycroft: i have not had to change my printer settingst at all for different colors of atomic filament
09:55 PM XXCoder: dont always need top tier filament though
09:55 PM roycroft: but i pay $30/kg for their stuff
09:56 PM roycroft: $10/kg would be a lot easier on the pocket book :)
09:56 PM roycroft: so yeah, i'll check out gst3d
09:56 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:57 PM XXCoder: that 10 for 10 each apparently is 30 day preorder. if not in rush its nice. honestly ones you can get right away is barely more money anyway
09:57 PM roycroft: i don't mind spending time up front tweaking settings for a particular material
09:58 PM roycroft: but if i do that, i want it to be consisten over time, so i don't have to revisit the settings
09:58 PM roycroft: i'm rarely in a rush for things
09:58 PM XXCoder: yeah. I dont bother to tweak lol I just use default pla for everything
10:01 PM roycroft: that did not work well for me, either out of the box or, especially, when i installed the volcano hot end
10:04 PM roycroft: well, my print is done
10:04 PM * roycroft check it out to ensure that it is dimensioned properly
10:12 PM roycroft: and yeah that print is fine
10:12 PM XXCoder: nice
10:13 PM roycroft: i just queued up the first print that is known to produce correct results
10:13 PM * roycroft is very happy
10:14 PM roycroft: i'm not happy overall with the quality of the prints from the volcano hot end, but they are what i expected
10:14 PM roycroft: i made a conscious decision to sacrifice quality for speed
10:14 PM Tom_L: becoming a trend
10:15 PM roycroft: and i spent a lot of time building a new wiring harnass that's compatibile with the original one, so that when i'm done with this project i can go back to the old, higher quality hot end, easily
10:16 PM XXCoder: I want to upgrade my mk3s to revo hotend
10:16 PM roycroft: i'll probably try a 0.4mm nozzle in the volcano hot end before i do that
10:16 PM roycroft: it would be better to switch nozzles than to switch hot endds
10:16 PM roycroft: ends
10:16 PM XXCoder: thats waht revo is for
10:17 PM XXCoder: it makes it MUCH easier to swap nozzles and not change anything but nozzle diameter
10:19 PM * roycroft remembers that he did learn to enjoy star trek" enterprise after the fist few episodes, but also remembers how tiresome the whole xindi war thread became
10:20 PM XXCoder: check this out https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/756501860457906259/969431269253464094/unknown.png
10:21 PM XXCoder: new nozzle for volino type, splits plastic for much better melting and stuff
10:22 PM roycroft: the volcano hot end pretty much obviates the need for that
10:22 PM roycroft: when i bought mine i got a 0.8mm and 0.6mm nozzle
10:22 PM XXCoder: that nozzle IS for volcano
10:22 PM roycroft: i think i'll order a 0.4mm nozzle to try out
10:23 PM roycroft: it *should* produce the same quality prints as the old hot end with a 0.4mm nozzle
10:23 PM XXCoder: nice
10:23 PM roycroft: i'm glad i set things up so that i can switch hot ends easily, but if i can make the one that's currently installed work for everything with just a nozzle change, that would be even better
10:24 PM XXCoder: https://www.3dmakerengineering.com/products/tungsten-carbide-3d-printer-nozzle?variant=31398589726775
10:24 PM XXCoder: great if you want to print with very abusive filament
10:24 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i need that
10:24 PM roycroft: i'm just squirting plastic
10:24 PM XXCoder: yeah most donbt need that
10:25 PM roycroft: if i had filament with rocks in it, then a titanium nozzle might make sense
10:25 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTjh29xo0so
10:25 PM XXCoder: or wood or carbon fiber
10:27 PM roycroft: right now pla is all i care about
10:27 PM roycroft: but i have to say, i'm going back and forth about getting a vinyl cutter
10:28 PM roycroft: it's that vs. another 3d printer, and putting a laser on the printer when i need to cut vinyl
10:29 PM roycroft: i like the idea of a dedicated vinyl cutter
10:29 PM roycroft: but i also like the idea of a second 3d printer that can also do other things
10:30 PM XXCoder: microcenter sells ender for $100
10:30 PM XXCoder: its.. not great machine but great if you want to upgrade it a bit and have second one as backup and print stuff faster
10:31 PM roycroft: if i get another printer i'll probably get one with a bigger print envelope
10:32 PM XXCoder: yu can always build a hypercube designed by vanasse
10:32 PM XXCoder: great machine, that
10:34 PM XXCoder: ask her for link if you are curious
11:17 PM roycroft: right now, i have enough on my plate that if there's to be a second 3d printer, i'll just buy one that i can assemble in an hour or two
11:17 PM XXCoder: true
11:18 PM XXCoder: more work means you can have good one for cheaper, but if time isnt what you have then yeah
11:18 PM roycroft: one of these days i'd like to build a 3d printer from scratch
11:18 PM roycroft: but i need to build a cnc router from scratch
11:18 PM roycroft: and i need to do a cnc conversion to my mill
11:18 PM roycroft: and i need to repair my lathe
11:19 PM roycroft: my excess cash is starting to run low, but i'm still at a point where cash is easier to come up with than time, for many things