#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 31 2022

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01:21 AM Deejay: moin
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04:48 AM Tom_L: morning
04:57 AM Tom_L: 33°F & snow falling
04:57 AM Tom_L: likely won't stick
05:03 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:17 AM JT-Cave: we got some heavy rain for about an hour yesterday evening
07:05 AM miss0r: pere: any news with the old mill?
07:28 AM pere: miss0r: had to focus on other things the last weeks, so the most recent news is that I took the time to replace batteries on two of the boards, only to discover that the keyboard on the control panel stopped working. will circle back in a few weeks.
07:28 AM miss0r: :] the joys of old machinery
07:34 AM pere: miss0r: I might end up skipping Mazatrol and move straight to converting it to linuxcnc, but I still have no idea what I need to do so nor what it will cost. :)
07:35 AM miss0r: I would argue that is the way to go.
07:35 AM miss0r: As in either case you will have alot of small stuff that needs solutions - no need to do that twice
07:41 AM pere: I was hoping to verify the machine actually worked before tearing it apart, but...
07:42 AM pere: but what is needed to convert it to linuxcnc? anyone know what kind of equipment can be reused and what need to be replaced? how can I find out?
07:53 AM miss0r: That is a hard question to answer in a hurry. If I were you, I would make a list of the servos/servo drives, spindle/spindle drive ect. does it have linear scales? write that down too, and make a forum post about it, asking what you would need on the linuxcnc forum
07:54 AM miss0r: also; does it have an ATC /tool magazine? that would need mentioning too.
07:54 AM miss0r: not down what hydraulic valves/air valves need to be controlled by linuxcnc ect. Its a big job :)
08:02 AM pere: it is the same as the one documented in <URL: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/47-hal-examples/39456-mazak-vqc-15-40-integration > and <URL: https://github.com/srdco/MazakVQC1540/ >. I do not really know much about the internals, but it got three axis and a tool magazine.
08:07 AM pere: what kind of info would be in the list of servos etc?
08:23 AM miss0r: pere: well, I would probably include the entire electrical diagram, all the names/serial numbers ect. of the servo drives.
08:23 AM miss0r: and the servos.
08:24 AM miss0r: Pictures of everything from every odd angle
08:24 AM miss0r: everything you can think of. Think of the most annoying questions possible and how to answer it
09:05 AM unterhausen: hopefully I can find the machine feet I have been hoarding for the last 5 years when I put my mill back down on the ground after moving it
09:18 AM roycroft: just stick a wad of chewing gum underneath the mill
11:22 AM unterhausen: roycroft, that would be like the time the hydraulic press channel squashed some chewing gum
11:22 AM unterhausen: except you wouldn't be able to see it
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12:20 PM roycroft: do any of you use a cheap vinyl cutter such as a cricut?
12:20 PM roycroft: i'm looking for something in the $300 range that is not a cricut, as i want to use inkscape or some other software to talk to it
12:21 PM roycroft: and not have to use the bluetooth interface to connect to a windows machine that does all the work by connecting to the cricut website and paying them money to process any interesting files
12:22 PM roycroft: or i want a cricut that is not locked into their proprietary crap
12:27 PM XXCoder: roycroft: isnt there kit to hack cricut, since cricut is dead now
12:31 PM XXCoder: https://github.com/vangdfang/libcutter/
12:32 PM XXCoder: oh cricut is still around, but yeah they suck so hard
12:40 PM roycroft: cricut are alive and well
12:41 PM roycroft: there are some brother cutters, and silhouette as well
12:41 PM roycroft: but i don't know anything about how to talk to those
12:43 PM XXCoder: yeah dunno also
12:43 PM XXCoder: there was tons of cricuts that was bricked due to ythat company shitty actions
12:45 PM XXCoder: **on ebay
12:48 PM JT-Cave: silopolis[m], tell your friend to use the 7i80 configuration tool for now, he should be able to make a working config with it
12:51 PM roycroft: i'm definitely not interested in spending $300 for a brick-in-waiting
12:51 PM XXCoder: me either
01:25 PM unterhausen: that github says you need a key which they can't give you for obvious reasons
01:26 PM roycroft: my inclination is to avoid getting a cricut
01:26 PM roycroft: that silhouette machine looks like a candidate
01:26 PM unterhausen: too bad you can't use an old hp plotter. Or can you?
01:26 PM roycroft: i probably could, but that would consume way too much real estate
01:28 PM XXCoder: roy theres 3d printed or milled projects to turn router into cutter
01:29 PM roycroft: i don't want that
01:29 PM roycroft: at least not right now
01:29 PM roycroft: i want a stand-alone machine that is ready to go out of the box, other than software installation/configuration
01:30 PM XXCoder: indeed
01:30 PM roycroft: and it does not have to have a large work area
01:30 PM XXCoder: sadly for price cricut is best, too bad theyre all ticking bombs
01:30 PM roycroft: although the silhouette can print on a roll of vinyl directly, vs. having to cut into sheets
01:31 PM roycroft: and can print much longer than a cricut
01:31 PM roycroft: i think it can print jobs up to 1m long
01:31 PM roycroft: well the silhouette 4 is about $300, which is similar to the equivalent cricut model
01:31 PM roycroft: and is right at the price point i need
01:32 PM roycroft: i think inkscape can talk to it directly with a plugin, but i'm ont sure
01:32 PM roycroft: i'd have to check on that
01:32 PM roycroft: unfortunately, i'll probably be creating my files with autocad
01:33 PM roycroft: but i'm sure i can convert a dwg file to something inkscape understands
01:40 PM XXCoder: likely theres convertors yeah
01:43 PM roycroft: i can alwass save as svg or something with autocad
01:43 PM roycroft: dfx at the very least
01:45 PM roycroft: oh, i guess dfx is it
01:45 PM roycroft: no other options, other than autocad proprietary
01:45 PM roycroft: i can print to pdf, of course, but that does not always import well
01:46 PM roycroft: but inkscape can import dfx, so that will probably work fine
01:46 PM roycroft: i won't be generating fancy, multi-layer files for the vinyl cutter
01:52 PM XXCoder: nice
01:56 PM unterhaus_: it was 21F on tuesday, now it's 68f and we're having our first severe thunderstorm of the year
01:56 PM XXCoder: ow
01:56 PM unterhaus_: little dog is not happy
01:56 PM XXCoder: here we get maybe one a year
01:57 PM unterhaus_: we get them almost every day in summer
01:57 PM unterhaus_: at least thunder, which is what little dog doesn't like
01:58 PM unterhaus_: fortunately we're going back to more seasonally appropriate weather tomorrow
01:58 PM Tom_L: we had a t-storm the other day and snow today
01:58 PM Tom_L: the most snow on this day here in the last 130 years
02:08 PM roycroft: i found a silhouette portrait 3 on cl for $85
02:08 PM roycroft: that machine should work - it has a usb interface, but it is limited to 8" wide vinyl
02:09 PM roycroft: i can make 8" work, and the benefit is that it's smaller than the 12" models
02:09 PM XXCoder: nice!
02:11 PM roycroft: yeah, even with the cost of fuel to drive up and get it it's still way under my price point
02:11 PM roycroft: it's in albany, which is about 45 minutes from here
02:14 PM Tom_L: road trip..
02:14 PM unterhaus_: I thought you could run lcnc on a beaglebone
02:15 PM Tom_L: not that i'm aware of
02:15 PM Tom_L: somebody may have but it's not that common
02:15 PM unterhaus_: okay
02:15 PM Tom_L: resoruces are better on the rpi
02:15 PM unterhaus_: agreed
02:16 PM unterhaus_: there is that 3d printer software that uses a pi and arduinos as interface cards
02:16 PM unterhaus_: starts with a k
02:16 PM unterhaus_: 'k' for kan also use a beaglebone
02:16 PM unterhaus_: klipper?
02:18 PM unterhaus_: yeah, you can use klipper to host octoprint and klipper on the pru
02:19 PM roycroft: short road trip
02:19 PM roycroft: i drove to portland a couple weeks ago to pick up a rolling mill
02:19 PM roycroft: albany is less than half way to portland
02:35 PM roycroft: well, the seller says they will only meet and do the exchange in a public place, and will not demonstrate that it works
02:36 PM roycroft: while i understand their concern about where to meet, that's a deal breaker for me
02:36 PM roycroft: $85 is a good deal, but it's pretty expensive if it doesn't work
02:39 PM roycroft: i need to get my kiln working before i need the cutter, so i have a little time
02:40 PM roycroft: there is another seller in the same area selling a different model silhouette cutter for only $75 more than it costs new
02:40 PM XXCoder: more?
02:40 PM XXCoder: why not new then?
02:42 PM roycroft: that's probably why it's been listed for over a month
02:47 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, what do you think of Veritas bench planes with PM-V11 blade
02:50 PM roycroft: i think the steel is probably very good, although i don't have any pm-v11 blades
02:50 PM roycroft: i think veritas make outstanding quality hand planes
02:50 PM JT-Shop: https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/bench/45156-veritas-number-5-1-4w-bench-plane
02:50 PM Tom_L: it would be cool if there was a HF with high quality tools
02:50 PM roycroft: but for me, i like the classic look of lie-nielsen planes, and for that reason, most of my planes are lie-nielsen, and none are veritas
02:51 PM JT-Shop: can you even get a lie-nielsen?
02:51 PM roycroft: but that is PURELY a matter of personal aesthetic taste, and has nothing to do with the functionality of the two lines
02:51 PM roycroft: yes, i just bought a large shoulder plane a couple weeks ago
02:51 PM roycroft: it looks kind of weird
02:51 PM roycroft: the brass is so shiny, compared to my medium shoulder plane that i bought about 20 years ago
02:52 PM roycroft: i also just ordered a 55 degree frog for my #4
02:53 PM roycroft: lie-nielsen are out of stock on many of their planes most of the time, but for their core tools they have a waiting list or email notification when things are back in stock
02:53 PM roycroft: i expect now that we're moving towards a post-pandemic economy they will have more things in stock more often
02:59 PM roycroft: veritas planes get really good reviews
03:00 PM roycroft: and a lie-nielsen jack plane is going to cost you at least $100 more
03:00 PM roycroft: they don't make a no. 5-1/4 - that's a really odd size, but stanley did make the
03:00 PM roycroft: m
03:00 PM roycroft: but lie-nielsen have a no. 5 and a no. 5-1/2
03:02 PM roycroft: although a no. 5-1/4 is actually more like a no. 4-1/2, which lie-nielsen do make
03:05 PM roycroft: the bronze no. 4 is actually in stock at lie-nielsen for the first time in a long time
03:06 PM JT-Shop: you buy direct from lie nielsen
03:06 PM roycroft: that is an amazing handplane
03:06 PM roycroft: yes
03:06 PM roycroft: the extra mass of the bronze casting really makes it work well
03:07 PM JT-Shop: it's pretty
03:08 PM roycroft: it is, but i really like how it works at least as much as how pretty it is
03:09 PM roycroft: my understanding of pm-v111 is that it combines the toughness of a2 and the fine edge holding ability of o1, but is not quite as tough as a2 nor can be honed quite as fine as o1
03:09 PM roycroft: it's sort of an in-between alloy
03:10 PM JT-Shop: https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/discover/woodworking/2020/september/the-pm-v11-story
03:12 PM JT-Shop: interesting blade performance test results
03:13 PM roycroft: so they claim that pm-v111 is tougher than a2
03:13 PM roycroft: but takes an edge about as well as a2
03:13 PM JT-Shop: most powdered metals out perform normal tool steel
03:14 PM roycroft: edge retention is nice, but quality of the edge is most important to me
03:14 PM roycroft: it only takes a few seconds to hone a cutter
03:14 PM roycroft: the key is to hone often, and avoid having to resharpen
03:15 PM roycroft: and for that, o1 is still the best
03:15 PM JT-Shop: what do you hone with?
03:15 PM roycroft: i have a piece of leather glued to a ss bar, and i use green honing compound
03:15 PM roycroft: i forget what the green stuff is made of
03:16 PM roycroft: it's a chromium oxide/aluminium oxide mix
03:16 PM JT-Shop: https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Green-Honing-Compound-P26.aspx
03:17 PM roycroft: for sharpening i use dmt diamond stones up to their extra-fine, then move to shapton ceramic stones
03:18 PM roycroft: i only go up to 6000 grit
03:18 PM roycroft: one of these days i'll drop the $150 and get a 12000 grit stone and see how that does
03:18 PM roycroft: but i've been meaning to do that for years, and haven't gotten around to it
03:18 PM roycroft: probably because i get my blades pretty sharp with what i have
03:19 PM roycroft: oh, it's 16000 grit i would go up to
03:19 PM JT-Shop: wow
03:19 PM JT-Shop: is your leather smooth?
03:19 PM roycroft: no, i use the rough side
03:20 PM roycroft: actually, i have rough leather on one side of the bar and smooth on the other
03:20 PM roycroft: i cut the bar the same size as my dmt diamond stones
03:20 PM roycroft: it all fits in my sharpening kit nicely
03:20 PM JT-Shop: I have some jap wet stones atm
03:20 PM roycroft: but typically, when i'm planing or chiseling, i'll hone every 10 minutes or so
03:21 PM roycroft: it only takes a few seconds
03:21 PM JT-Shop: wow that often
03:21 PM roycroft: i used japanese water stones for years
03:21 PM roycroft: but i like the diamond and ceramic ones a lot better
03:21 PM roycroft: yes, that often
03:21 PM roycroft: it literally takes seconds
03:22 PM roycroft: on a plane, a bit longer because i have to remove and reinstall the blade
03:22 PM roycroft: but i don't have to remove the chip breaker, so it really isn't a big deal
03:22 PM roycroft: i'll remove the chip breaker at the end of the day and hone the back side
03:22 PM roycroft: it's a lot easier to keep a blade sharp than to sharpen it
03:23 PM JT-Shop: https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-Duosharp-Plus-Diamond-Kit-P248C24.aspx
03:23 PM JT-Shop: or
03:23 PM JT-Shop: https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-10-DuoSharp-Diamond-Kit-P435C24.aspx
03:23 PM JT-Shop: brb
03:26 PM roycroft: i like the dia-sharp stones
03:27 PM roycroft: https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-8-Dia-Sharp-Diamond-Kit-P405.aspx
03:27 PM roycroft: that would be a nice starter kit
03:27 PM roycroft: then add the 6000 grit stone here
03:27 PM roycroft: https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Shapton-GlassStone-HR-Series-P742C84.aspx
03:29 PM roycroft: https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-Dia-Flat-Lapping-Plate-P412C183.aspx
03:29 PM Tom_L: who uses 30000 grit???
03:29 PM roycroft: i bought that a long time ago when i was using the water stones, to flatten them
03:29 PM roycroft: i use it now to flatten the shapton
03:29 PM roycroft: i don't know, tom_l
03:30 PM roycroft: i like my tools to be pretty sharp, and i still haven't justified going to 16000 grit
03:30 PM Tom_L: maybe if you're polishing gage blocks or something
03:31 PM roycroft: i've had my current setup for several years now, and i'm very very happy with it
03:31 PM roycroft: i tried the scary sharp method a long time ago, and while it worked well, it's really expensive
03:31 PM roycroft: it uses sandpaper, which while fairly cheap, also does not last very long
03:32 PM Tom_L: i wonder what grit the first set is
03:32 PM roycroft: and when you're going through 8 grits to sharpen something, and they only last a short while, the cost adds up
03:32 PM Tom_L: and why not get them all from shapton
03:32 PM roycroft: the dis-sharp coarse are aporoximately 120 grit, and the xtra-fine are 1200 grit
03:33 PM roycroft: with a new blade i usually start with fine or extra fine
03:33 PM Tom_L: i got a funny feeling you're spending JT-Shop's money
03:33 PM roycroft: extra coarse (which is what i meant to say above, not coarse) is only for seriously damaged edges - such as chips
03:34 PM roycroft: perhaps, but this is an area where i would not feel bad spending it
03:34 PM roycroft: it's a very worthwhile investment
03:34 PM roycroft: and for the carrier liquid, i use diluted simple green on the diamond stones, and i use distilled water on the shapton stone
03:34 PM Tom_L: do you have a holder or something to keep the angle?
03:35 PM roycroft: i have the lie-nielsen guide for setting it initially
03:35 PM roycroft: but when i'm honing i do that freehand
03:35 PM roycroft: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/nodes/4239/honing-guide
03:35 PM roycroft: at this point, i'm putting the spending of jt's money on you
03:35 PM roycroft: because i did not bring up the honing guide - you did :)
03:36 PM Tom_L: it was an ignorant question so it's still on you.. you mentioned it :)
03:36 PM roycroft: i trust that jt knows how to manage his money
03:36 PM Tom_L: either way i'll share spending his money with ya
03:37 PM roycroft: so i'm not going to feel guilty at all
03:37 PM roycroft: all i can say is that i've tried several sharpening systems, and i'm very very happy with the one i'm using now, and don't anticipate ever moving on to something else
03:38 PM roycroft: i got a jet slow sharpener once - the tormek clone
03:38 PM roycroft: i spent hundreds of dollars on that machine and a bunch of jigs for it
03:38 PM JT-Shop: https://www.woodcraft.com/products/veritas-mk-ii-honing-guide?via=573621f469702d06760016cd%2C5764196e69702d6593000317
03:38 PM roycroft: and wasn't very happy with it
03:38 PM JT-Shop: I have that one
03:38 PM roycroft: i have the mk ii
03:38 PM roycroft: it's ok
03:38 PM roycroft: the lie-nielsen i like a lot better
03:39 PM roycroft: but if you have the veritas and it works for you i see no reason to switch
03:39 PM roycroft: i started with oilstones decades ago
03:39 PM roycroft: i still have some nice arkansas stones, and i still use them for some things
03:39 PM roycroft: but my chisels and planes only see the diamond and ceramic stones now
03:40 PM roycroft: the rubber feet for those dmt stones are useless btw
03:40 PM roycroft: as soon as they get wet they slide around
03:40 PM JT-Shop: We have designed these jaws for our blades and chisels, not other makers'.
03:40 PM roycroft: yes, they have
03:40 PM roycroft: but they work fine for my sorby chisels
03:40 PM JT-Shop: so if you have lie-nielsen tools it makes sense to have their honing guide
03:40 PM roycroft: and my stanley plane blades
03:41 PM roycroft: don't read that as "our honing guide only works with our blades"
03:41 PM JT-Shop: didn't read it that way
03:42 PM roycroft: the only chisels i have where they don't work are my skew chisels, which are made by two cherries
03:42 PM roycroft: i have the lie-nie skew chisel jaws, but mine do not fit that
03:42 PM roycroft: i rarely use those chisels though, and when i do it's just to clean up corners, so very light use
03:43 PM roycroft: i assume my blue spruce paring chisels fit the lie-nie jaws, but i've never had to sharpen them, so i don't know
03:43 PM roycroft: they were ready to use when i got them, and since i hone every few minutes, they've remained that way
03:46 PM roycroft: anyway, i got rid of the rubber feet for my diamond stones
03:46 PM roycroft: and i use this now on the bench:
03:46 PM roycroft: https://www.woodcraft.com/products/norton-non-slip-silicone-sharpening-mat-norton
03:46 PM roycroft: it works nicely
03:47 PM roycroft: paul sellers uses a nice diamone stone holder that he clamps in his shoulder vise
03:47 PM roycroft: it holds 3 stones
03:47 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:47 PM JT-Shop: I need a holder for my jap water stones
03:48 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN4yr7vp4I4
03:50 PM roycroft: i like paul sellers a lot
03:50 PM roycroft: he's not all fancy
03:50 PM JT-Shop: I like his videos too
03:58 PM JT-Shop: that's the best sharpening video I've seen
04:05 PM roycroft: paul doesn't mess around
04:07 PM XXCoder: nice video
04:08 PM roycroft: i think it's funny that he had to add english subtitles for it
04:08 PM roycroft: his accent is not that strong
04:08 PM XXCoder: its to my benefit LOL
04:08 PM roycroft: yeah, but you can do the auto captioning
04:09 PM roycroft: although that's never as good as intentional subtitles
04:09 PM roycroft: but i doubt he added them for deaf people
04:09 PM XXCoder: 80% of caption users arent deaf
04:11 PM roycroft: i think he added them for americans who can't understand an english accent other than southern england/bbc english
04:11 PM roycroft: i.e. "the queen's english"
04:12 PM XXCoder: I wouldnt know
04:12 PM XXCoder: damn thats one sharp chisel now
04:13 PM XXCoder: new primatibve tech
04:14 PM XXCoder: i thought primative tech was one of dang long hatius, but then zod youtube channel come back.
04:14 PM XXCoder: and thats been 7 years
04:14 PM XXCoder: so ironic that last video was promo, then silence for 7 years
04:15 PM XXCoder: **zogg from betelgeuse
04:27 PM CloudEvil: zefrank also.
04:27 PM XXCoder: whats zefrank video about
04:28 PM XXCoder: aw just finished primative tech. love that channel so much
04:29 PM CloudEvil: Zefrank does comedic documentaries about animals. However, his style heavily relies on his voice. He took a Looong hiatus. (5 years?)
04:35 PM XXCoder: interesting
04:38 PM XXCoder: interesting tool https://youtu.be/iM6wQkyx0Q8?t=2118
04:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he didn't wash his hands
04:40 PM XXCoder: dont thibnk I ever seen him with clean hands
04:41 PM XXCoder: ohhh clean hands while hes testing grinder
04:41 PM enleth: CaptHindsight[m]: you mean, he should have washed his hands before reaching for his balls?
04:43 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, do you think this fits my Bailey #5 2" wide? https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/blades/42607-stanley-record-bench-plane-blades-made-by-veritas?item=05P3103
04:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe after
04:43 PM XXCoder: the beans bin looks so nice after that weird tool
04:44 PM roycroft: it probably does
04:44 PM roycroft: check out ron hock's site - that's where i buy my plane blades
04:44 PM roycroft: hocktools.com
04:45 PM roycroft: ron used to make blades for james krenov and the redwood school of woodworking folks
04:45 PM roycroft: he makes them in a2 and o1
04:45 PM roycroft: and he's a really nice guy
04:47 PM roycroft: he also has dimensioned drawings of his blades on his website, so you can measure before you order
04:47 PM JT-Shop: I'm looking at that now
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I see chip breaker drawings but not the blade drawings
04:50 PM roycroft: hmm
04:50 PM roycroft: sometimes his website is a little bit broken
04:50 PM roycroft: call him and he'll tell you where to go
04:50 PM JT-Shop: Infinity shipped the replacement lock miter jr router bit
04:51 PM roycroft: i've ordered several blades from him that he doesn't stock but don't show up on the website
04:51 PM roycroft: he gives me a url and it's there
04:51 PM roycroft: hopefully the new cutter won't be from the same batch as the old one
04:52 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:52 PM XXCoder: wste of time if it is same
04:52 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if i've ever bought anything from infinity
04:52 PM roycroft: they have some unique cutters, and i've known about them and gotten their catalogs for years
04:53 PM JT-Shop: mostly I got some of their router bits and boxes
04:53 PM roycroft: i buy whiteside router cutters whenever possible
04:53 PM JT-Shop: I just noticed the Bailey #5 has an adjustable mouth...
04:53 PM roycroft: i only buy other brands if whiteside don't make what i need
04:54 PM roycroft: that's nice
04:54 PM roycroft: my lie-nie bench planes all have an adjustable frog, so an adjustable mouth is not necessary
04:54 PM JT-Shop: do you think whiteside makes better bits?
04:54 PM roycroft: but it's easier to adjust the mouth than the frog
04:54 PM JT-Shop: well I meant adjustable frog
04:54 PM roycroft: all i can say is that i've been very happy with whiteside
04:54 PM roycroft: and they are made in usa
04:55 PM roycroft: bailey invented the adjustable frog
04:55 PM roycroft: when stanley bought bailey they continued to use the bailey brand name
04:56 PM JT-Shop: ha they have canoe making router bits... bet my buddy wished he had one when making his canoes
04:56 PM JT-Shop: one has a bailey bottom and a stanley top
04:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Stanley is the good brand of tools you find at the hardware stores in China
04:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I never did find better tools there
04:58 PM roycroft: and stanley tools are nothing like they used to be
04:58 PM roycroft: when they were made in usa they were great tools
04:58 PM roycroft: when they moved to the uk, not so great, but decent
04:58 PM roycroft: now they're mostly made in china
04:59 PM roycroft: and they are just more of the same crap as almost everything else is these days
04:59 PM JT-Shop: one of these days people will get tired of china crap and stop buying it
05:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or run out of extra cash to buy any
05:00 PM roycroft: i think a lot of people already are
05:00 PM JT-Shop: that's why I quit buying from fastenal years ago all china crap
05:00 PM JT-Shop: mcmaster sells usa fasteners
05:00 PM roycroft: i mostly can't afford chinese goods
05:01 PM roycroft: they're cheap the first time you buy the stuff
05:01 PM roycroft: but you have to keep buying the same stuff over and over again
05:01 PM roycroft: and it gets expensive fast that way
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Chinese way
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: one of my early trips there we went to go look for welders
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 200A MIG for <$200
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: blue or red were >$1k
05:03 PM roycroft: blue and red are made in china now
05:03 PM roycroft: green is good
05:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they said the local made welders are made to last for a year and be carried on a small motorcycle to and from the job site
05:04 PM roycroft: green is made in china, but uses german output transistors
05:04 PM roycroft: green = everlast
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: local stuff was all yellow
05:05 PM roycroft: the name is ambitious, but they've been around for quite a while now, and live up to it
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no name you ever heard of
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: my yellow TIG is going on 10 years
05:05 PM roycroft: i think esab are made in china too
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: importer is nearby
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i still ask around to see if anyone there is making decent CNC machines yet
05:07 PM roycroft: when i bought my everlast gear all the welding snobs were poo-pooing it
05:07 PM roycroft: saying it is chinese junk, it would not work right, and it would not last
05:07 PM roycroft: over a decade later, the snobs are still saying that
05:07 PM roycroft: and my everlast welders still work great, as most everlast do
05:07 PM roycroft: and you tell the snobs that blue and red are made in china, and they explode and deny it
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sure, it has to be blue or red or you're a commie or maybe a notZ
05:08 PM roycroft: but all the inverter welders are made in china
05:08 PM roycroft: and really, blue and red inverter welders *are* made in china
05:09 PM roycroft: but those are the same folks who do not believe in doing things efficiently
05:09 PM roycroft: or in conserving energy
05:09 PM roycroft: so they would rather have a half ton ginormous transformer welder that dims the lights in the entire neighborhood when they use it than a modern inverter welder that does a better job
05:10 PM roycroft: because 'merica
05:10 PM roycroft: we waste electricity because we can
05:10 PM JT-Shop: Thank you for your order. It will ship within five days or we will contact you regarding any delays. Your credit card or PayPal account will be charged at the time of shipment.
05:10 PM roycroft: what did you order?
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: McMaster?
05:11 PM JT-Shop: a couple of blades from Hock
05:11 PM roycroft: that's interesting
05:11 PM roycroft: most of the time paypal gets charged up front
05:11 PM roycroft: and it's only credit cards that get charged at the time of shipment
05:11 PM JT-Shop: better than charging you up front then delivering 2 months later
05:11 PM roycroft: i've been buying plane blades from ron for over 30 years
05:12 PM roycroft: you can trust him
05:12 PM JT-Shop: good to kno
05:12 PM JT-Shop: w
05:12 PM roycroft: i don't get down to mendocino often, though, and the one time i was there and wanted to meet up with him he was out of town for the week
05:14 PM roycroft: the north coast brewery tasting room is near his shop
05:14 PM roycroft: i'd still like to get together with him over a beer and talk steel some day
05:15 PM JT-Shop: at least the ToolNut didn't charge me for the 15HH yet
05:16 PM roycroft: it's the weekend!
05:16 PM * roycroft does the weekend happy dance
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why not?
05:18 PM roycroft: i think i'll go do phase two of my dust collection system refurbishment now
05:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: weather this week so far has been rain, snow 60's and teens
05:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: (20c - -8c)
08:02 PM _unreal_: today was an interesting day. got to work one one of the owner of "harber freight"'s boats
08:02 PM _unreal_: he has two 100 million dollar boats side by side right now
08:02 PM _unreal_: one is the FLAG ship the other is the "shadow" hehe
08:02 PM _unreal_: shadow is the one with the heli pad, and lots of TOYS on it and lots of other stuff going on.
08:04 PM _unreal_: https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/infinity/#:~:text=The%20yacht%20%E2%80%99s%20owner%20is%20Eric%20Smidt.%20He,Project%20Y719%20at%20Oceanco.%20Message%20to%20Other%20Media
08:04 PM _unreal_: that is one of the boats but I worked on the "intrepid"
08:06 PM _unreal_: thats the boat I worked on. had to work on one of the SAT's at the top of the mast. https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.2D_qw0mYRyuHRkKcQC21rwHaE8?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
08:23 PM roycroft: i hope he's not russian
08:23 PM roycroft: otherwise he might have zero 100 million dollar boats
08:34 PM CloudEvil: I wonder what the resale value of a used megayaught is.
08:35 PM XXCoder: dunno
08:35 PM XXCoder: not that many buyers
08:37 PM Tom_L: it's used
08:37 PM Tom_L: anyone that could afford one doesn't want used unless they're just playing rich
08:38 PM Tom_L: just like a G6
08:38 PM Tom_L: actually they're up to G6.5 or 7 now
08:40 PM roycroft: was that one built using harbor freight tools?
08:40 PM roycroft: that might affect the resale value
08:40 PM XXCoder: high quality
08:40 PM Tom_L: the ones that sing about them can't afford them i know
08:40 PM XXCoder: probably still has some tools
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