#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 22 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:02 AM enleth: silopolis[m]: yes, a typical servo setup is a position PID loop with an encoder outputting commanded velocity to a velocity PID loop
01:57 AM XXCoder1 is now known as XXCoder
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02:46 AM Deejay: moin
02:59 AM randy: morning
03:12 AM silopolis[m]: Hi
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04:40 AM Snelweg is now known as snelweg
04:57 AM Tom_L: morning
04:57 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:06 AM Tom_L: 47°F and light rain
05:38 AM JT-Cave: I think that is about what I burned last winter in the garage and machine shop
10:22 AM roguish[m]: going up to mid 80's today............
10:42 AM roycroft: 21 here today, which will be nice
10:43 AM roycroft: the sun is already out
10:43 AM roycroft: it has been very rainy lately
10:43 AM roguish[m]: we are drier than dry.............
10:44 AM roguish[m]: 0.70 inches rain this year........... 0.09 inches this month
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01:53 PM Tom_itx: lovely cold windy day
01:53 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
04:14 PM * JT-Shop is finally glad he has figured out the AB touch HMI issue with the loader
04:33 PM Tom_L: i thought spring was supposed to be here
04:33 PM roycroft: it's 21 degrees and sunny
04:33 PM roycroft: if that's not spring i don't know what is
04:34 PM JT-Shop: 55°F and raining
04:34 PM Tom_L: 37F & windy as heck & rain
04:34 PM JT-Shop: you can keep that
04:35 PM JT-Shop: looks like I'll be bringing in the maters every night this week
04:36 PM * JT-Shop is so relaxed now that the loader is running for 1/4 of the plant
04:36 PM Tom_L: they probably are too
04:36 PM JT-Shop: it's so fun working on old crap making it work no matter what but a bit stressful sometimes
04:37 PM JT-Shop: yep they were all grins and lots of hand shaking when I left today
04:37 PM Tom_L: yeah... just pay me :)
04:38 PM JT-Shop: 1/2 of the plant runs on my loader system and the other 1/4's run on two old loaders
04:38 PM JT-Shop: they always do
04:38 PM JT-Shop: as soon as they get approval for another JT loader I'll build it
04:38 PM Tom_L: i figured as much or you wouldn't be there
04:38 PM Tom_L: which plant? revere?
04:39 PM JT-Shop: aye
04:39 PM JT-Shop: back in the day they would call corp and say if you don't pay them this machine won't run
04:40 PM Tom_L: that has an effect
04:41 PM JT-Shop: they have been good at paying since they got new owners about 8 years ago
04:41 PM Tom_L: i wrote a custom POS for a guy years back and he kept delaying paying but kept wanting additions and changes once he saw what it would do
04:41 PM Tom_L: little did he know i put a kill switch in it with an expiration date
04:41 PM Tom_L: Point of sale
04:42 PM Tom_L: you always gotta cover your arse
04:42 PM JT-Shop: I had one like that and I put a time lock on the PLC LOL 30 days later I got a check and released the lock
04:42 PM JT-Shop: what did you write it in?
04:43 PM Tom_L: this was back in DOS days
04:43 PM roycroft: back in the '80s i was doing construction with a friend of mine
04:43 PM Tom_L: clipper/c/asm
04:43 PM JT-Shop: ok
04:43 PM roycroft: we did additions/remodels/etc.
04:43 PM roycroft: we had on customer who we were really concerned about
04:43 PM roycroft: we built an elevated deck with staircase for the customer
04:43 PM JT-Shop: I wrote a HVAC customer program in FoxPro years ago
04:44 PM roycroft: when we were almost finished my partner told me to nail on the last handrail with duplex nails
04:44 PM roycroft: so i did
04:44 PM Tom_L: never messed with foxpro but same era
04:44 PM roycroft: the customer came out, started complaining about the work, and saying he was not going to pay
04:44 PM roycroft: which is what we expected
04:44 PM roycroft: so my partner said "ok, we'll just take it away"
04:44 PM roycroft: and nodded to me
04:45 PM roycroft: i started pulling the handrail off the stairs
04:45 PM roycroft: the customer quickly came out with his checkbook
04:45 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:45 PM roycroft: sometimes you just get a feeling about a customer
04:46 PM * JT-Shop needs to go whip up some Chicken Crack for the hens
04:47 PM Tom_L: i liked clipper because it was standalone and you could easily hook into c & asm
04:48 PM JT-Shop: at a collated nail plant I was manager I had a spreadsheet so big I pasted the walls with it so I could follow it
04:48 PM roycroft: i remember hearing about clipper
04:48 PM roycroft: back in the late '80s/early '90s?
04:48 PM Tom_L: yes
04:48 PM roycroft: i was writing databases with informix 4gl back then
04:48 PM Tom_L: nantucket then ca systems irc
04:48 PM JT-Shop: I had a IBM PC with a huge 10mb hard drive IIRC
04:49 PM roycroft: i had been using university ingres and early postgres
04:49 PM roycroft: informix was based on postgres
04:49 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, yeah and paid $$$ for it back then
04:49 PM JT-Shop: yep
04:49 PM Tom_L: mine was 20mb mfm
04:49 PM roycroft: i worked with a cp/m machine back in the early '80s
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I forget the spreadsheet program...
04:50 PM Tom_L: then rll came out and that was the shizzle
04:50 PM roycroft: it's the first computer i used other than a mainframe that had a hard drive
04:50 PM roycroft: it had a big, noisy 8" hard disk
04:50 PM roycroft: with a whopping 5MB capacity
04:50 PM Tom_L: i've seen those big ones you could actually see the bits on
04:51 PM Tom_L: about the size of a record
04:51 PM roycroft: and it had to be partitioned into 4 1.2MB logical drives, because the pip command and the like only knew about 1.2MB floppy disks
04:51 PM roycroft: i don't have any 8" drives or remnants any more, but i do have some 14" disk platters still
04:52 PM JT-Shop: oh yea Lotus 123
04:52 PM Tom_L: that was it...
04:52 PM roycroft: i sold a lot of lotus 123 for xenix
04:52 PM roycroft: i probably still have a copy in the attic somewhere
04:53 PM Tom_L: i probably still have that loaded somewhere
04:53 PM roycroft: visicalc came before lotus
04:53 PM roycroft: i think visicalc was the first spreadsheet application
04:53 PM Tom_L: wordperfect was the go to editor
04:53 PM roycroft: but lotus 123 was the first one with macros
04:53 PM JT-Shop: we are all showing our age lol
04:53 PM roycroft: yes
04:53 PM Tom_L: no shit :)
04:54 PM roycroft: and microsoft word was text-based, and modal, like vi
04:54 PM roycroft: you hit the escape key to toggle between command mode and insert mode
04:54 PM JT-Shop: was word the one that came up blank and you had to know what key to press to get anything
04:54 PM roycroft: then windows came out and everything went to hell
04:55 PM roycroft: i think so
04:55 PM roycroft: then you did, i think, esc-i
04:55 PM roycroft: and were in insert mode
04:55 PM Tom_L: wrote batch files with copy con
04:55 PM Tom_L: just get it right the first time..
04:57 PM roycroft: but there was always edlin to fix the typos
04:57 PM Tom_L: fanfold paper was great for debugging code too cause you could spread it clear across the room and walk thru the code
04:58 PM Tom_L: that was before ink was worth as much as gold
05:02 PM roycroft: i have none of that paper any more
05:03 PM roycroft: i haven't had a dot matrix printer in a good 20 years, but i did have a few boxes of fanfold paper for the longest time
05:03 PM roycroft: including some greenbar paper
05:03 PM roycroft: i still have a bunch of printouts of programs/etc. on greenbar paper
05:03 PM roycroft: they're in the box with the punch card decks that i aven't looked at in 40 years
05:04 PM roycroft: maybe it's time to get rid of that stuff :)
05:04 PM roycroft: i keep it for nostalgic reasons, i suppose, but nostalgia does nothing for one of one never looks at or handles the stuff
05:05 PM roycroft: i get no satisfaction whatsoever in knowing i have boxes of printouts and programs that i have not looked at in 40+ years
05:05 PM roycroft: i've kept my old college textbooks and notebooks from back then as well, but i actually thumb through that stuff occasionally
05:06 PM Tom_L: most of my old books went when the basement flooded
05:07 PM JT-Shop: the new Bora router motor showed up today 3.25 hp
05:07 PM Tom_L: ever get that cutter issue resolved?
05:07 PM roycroft: i had a few things get lost in a move
05:08 PM JT-Shop: no response lol
05:08 PM roycroft: sadly, the biggest thing was the majority of my record collection - i had over 3000 lps stolen
05:10 PM roycroft: some my grade school report cards and some pictures and other documents also got lost in that move
05:19 PM JT-Shop: one of the things I'm working on is digitizing my LP's
05:22 PM JT-Shop: silopolis[m], looked like you have quite a bit of the French translation done
05:24 PM silopolis[m]: JT-Shop: almost finished actually :)
05:24 PM JT-Shop: nice
05:24 PM silopolis[m]: Do you receive my PMs?
05:24 PM silopolis[m]: Sent JT-Cave
05:24 PM JT-Shop: I did at lunch, have not been down in the beer cave since
05:27 PM JT-Shop: it will be interesting to see if one .ts file can be copied to all the tools and used to build the .qm files for all
05:28 PM silopolis[m]: Ah ok, I've sent you the link to the test setup I did on crowdin
05:28 PM JT-Shop: I think I saw that
05:29 PM silopolis[m]: Oh yes sorry
05:32 PM silopolis[m]: JT-Shop: I don't know qt localization system to answer, but the ts file would need to have all strings from all tools
05:33 PM JT-Shop: I think they are close enough to try
05:33 PM silopolis[m]: Thing is, how do you add the missing strings?
05:34 PM JT-Shop: I 'think' that the ts files get updated when I run my script and any changes added then I to translate on them
05:34 PM JT-Shop: if the object name is the same I "think" it will work and most are the same
05:34 PM silopolis[m]: Plus, strings are contextualized, meaning they have a reference to files and lines where they occur
05:35 PM JT-Shop: that gets updated each time I run the update scrip
05:35 PM JT-Shop: t
05:35 PM silopolis[m]: JT-Shop: Worth the try anyway
05:35 PM JT-Shop: aye
05:36 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYtzKrAO7e4&feature=emb_imp_woyt
05:37 PM silopolis[m]: Can you build a eng-en.ts file to have a source translation file for all la'guages?
05:37 PM JT-Shop: not sure
05:39 PM silopolis[m]: Are you interested in using crowdin for translations?
05:40 PM silopolis[m]: It's so easy and powerful!
05:41 PM JT-Shop: so long as it makes a viable .ts file it's ok with me
05:41 PM JT-Shop: that's me in the video
05:41 PM silopolis[m]: With the help of their translation memory and machine translation, it only took me maybe 3h to translate 80+% of 7i80
05:42 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:48 PM silopolis[m]: <JT-Shop> "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v..." <- That's some darn nice piece of wood 😍 and a nice technique 👌
05:54 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you should have used one of these: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200612318_200612318
05:54 PM Tom_L: :)
05:55 PM Tom_L: if you're Paul Bunyan
05:55 PM JT-Shop: I have a peavey but it's not for huge logs like that one
05:56 PM JT-Shop: I don't even think Blue could roll that log
05:56 PM silopolis[m]: <JT-Shop> "cool" <- If you decide to use it, we'll have to either create an account for you or we can use mine.
05:56 PM silopolis[m]: I've already asked for and obtained a free for open source project for your tools to be able to test.
05:56 PM silopolis[m]: If we stay on my account, I'll need a gh personnal token for your tools repos to setup direct integration.
05:56 PM silopolis[m]: Of course I'll make you an admin on the project
05:56 PM Tom_L: heh probably not
05:58 PM JT-Shop: I can set that up in the morning
06:00 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
06:00 PM silopolis[m]: So do l...
08:15 PM * roycroft is about to start his second zoom meeting of the day, and the third so far this week :(
08:53 PM perry_j1987: what video filter are you going with today roycroft
09:28 PM roycroft: i don't do that stuff
09:29 PM roycroft: at the first meeting, though, our office manager was looking really psychedelic
09:29 PM roycroft: after a bit she discovered that someone had taped some transparent cellophane tape over her camera lens, with sparkly stuff in the tape
09:30 PM roycroft: it was a nice effect
09:30 PM roycroft: but she removed the tape when she discovered it
09:35 PM CloudEvil: 'I am not a cat'
09:37 PM XXCoder: heh i still remember that
09:44 PM roycroft: i don't even know where the background stuff is on the zoom app
09:44 PM roycroft: and i'm not interested in finding out
09:46 PM XXCoder: your lack of creativbity disurbs me
10:10 PM roycroft: i just dislike zoom and all things similar
10:10 PM roycroft: i much prefer in-person meetings
10:11 PM Tom_L: yeah but you can't go to those in your PJs
10:11 PM CloudEvil: Closest I've gotten is watching movies over discord.
10:12 PM CloudEvil: ('The room' was most excellent for that purpose.)
10:21 PM roycroft: at least people don't go jeffrey toobin' in an in-person meeting
10:21 PM roycroft: not at any i've ever attended