#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 06 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:35 AM roycroft: sw 2012 would not even begin to run on win 11
12:43 AM roycroft: and it kind of hosed things
12:43 AM roycroft: i decided to reinstall win11 from that recovery thumb drive i made earlier
12:43 AM roycroft: the installer said that my computer cannot run win 11, and refused to try
12:43 AM roycroft: i decided to grab a win 10 dvd from one of my macs, figuring i could install it without activating it, and then buying another copy of win10
12:43 AM roycroft: when i started the installer, it offered me a choice between win 10 and win 11
12:43 AM roycroft: so apparently it thought that the machine could run win 11
12:43 AM roycroft: but i picked win 10, for now at leaest
12:43 AM roycroft: all i can say is windows is very strange
01:08 AM Bleepshop: roycroft: Windows is designed to keep psychiatrists raking in money from IT professionals...
01:47 AM roycroft: it's best when i don't have to try to understand it
01:47 AM roycroft: i have a win10 install, sw is installed, and i'm syncing data files to the machine
01:48 AM roycroft: i should be able to test performance by morning at the latest
02:01 AM Deejay: moin
06:25 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:25 AM unterhaus_: morning
06:26 AM unterhaus_: good morning except to the people that decided micro usb was a good idea
06:33 AM Tom_L: morning
06:44 AM JT-Cave: trying to figure out the math to make one of these https://www.petemarkenwoodturning.com/fixtures-2?lightbox=dataItem-k4uo8ou7
06:44 AM Tom_L: use an engraving bit and let cad do the rest
06:44 AM JT-Cave: I mean the math for the angles of the pins
06:44 AM Tom_L: might be fun since they're not evenly space and hard to tell where the reference is
06:47 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdF7sKMKRR0
06:47 AM Tom_L: his is inverted but might shed some light
06:50 AM JT-Cave: I think the point of the dual fences is so the wood is pushing against a fence for both cuts
06:50 AM Tom_L: yep
06:50 AM Tom_L: making coasters for the chicken cups now? :)
06:51 AM JT-Cave: just messing around making bowls... chicken bowls are done
06:52 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M3D5wst_pM
06:52 AM Tom_L: even more interesting to build
06:56 AM JT-Cave: that looks interesting
06:56 AM Tom_L: good for a single size wedge but interesting
07:03 AM Tom_L: http://woodturnerpro.com/community/index.php?threads/648/
07:03 AM Tom_L: might shed some light
07:07 AM Tom_L: (360/number of wedges)/2
07:07 AM Tom_L: gives you the angle for each side from 180
07:08 AM Tom_L: i think :)
07:08 AM JT-Cave: the last guy just divides 180 by the number of segments
07:08 AM Tom_L: either way
07:09 AM Tom_L: same result
07:09 AM JT-Cave: yep
07:09 AM JT-Cave: time to open chicken doors...
07:20 AM unterhaus_: installing the usb driver for my printer is unnecessarily complicated
07:22 AM JT-Cave: installing the usb driver for my HP DesignJet 500 was amazingly easy
07:22 AM unterhaus_: whatever tf that is
07:24 AM unterhaus_: HP printer drivers are justifiably reviled, but maybe the designjet has a different team
07:30 AM unterhaus_: I spent many hours trying to figure out why MiL's computer was running both processors full bore, and it turned out that the HP printer driver was checking on the network for printers and being blocked by the firewall
07:31 AM unterhaus_: so it was in a tight loop and being blocked
07:31 AM unterhaus_: as usual, HP didn't have a clue
07:33 AM JT-Cave: damn
07:34 AM unterhaus_: but the usb drivers installed fine and it wasn't even a network printer
07:36 AM unterhaus_: that was back when you could find answers to windows problems on linux forums, which I haven't seen in a while
07:51 AM mrec_: did anyone try to cut copper sheet with a single flute endmill?
07:51 AM JT-Cave: I wonder how shipping to Iceland is with USPS
07:51 AM mrec_: I'd like to stack a few sheets and cut things at once
07:51 AM JT-Cave: that would be a gummy mess for sure
07:52 AM mrec_: JT-Cave: is that about the copper sheet?
07:54 AM JT-Cave: yes
07:55 AM mrec_: the single flute should take care about the gummy part
07:59 AM JT-Cave: time to go light some fires...
08:48 AM unterhausen: I finally got my 3d printer to connect over wifi and somehow I feel undewhelmed
09:53 AM _unreal_: so I purchased one of these a few years ago... https://www.ebay.com/itm/154405920881 Thinking it was a DOC disk on chip. I have a few old devices that take DOC's. but to my suprise it is an ATA based.... I have no idea what device uses this old storage tech. Nor can I find a device that interfaces with it?
09:56 AM _unreal_: I did up a small breadboad to interface it to an IDE HEADER, I must have come across a PDF on it at one point in time.... but can not seem to find that info again. who knwos
11:03 AM roycroft: well after all that hassle, i finally have sw running on the new machine
11:03 AM roycroft: and it runs way faster than on my imac in a vm, so it was all worth it
11:04 AM Tom_L: hopefully better than before
11:04 AM roycroft: yeah
11:05 AM Tom_L: you have 2012 right?
11:05 AM roycroft: i don't have to suppress features when working on other features any more
11:05 AM roycroft: yes
11:05 AM Tom_L: i can honestly say i don't think i've ever used a vm
11:06 AM roycroft: most things are fine in a vm
11:06 AM roycroft: but the way solidworks behaves it really slows it down
11:08 AM roycroft: the machine only has 8GB of ram in it too
11:08 AM roycroft: my plan was to add more memory in 90 days, when the warranty expires on the machine
11:08 AM roycroft: but maybe not
11:08 AM roycroft: i'll see how it goes between now and then
11:09 AM Tom_L: i put 16 in mine
11:09 AM Tom_L: still an i5 though
11:09 AM roycroft: i was going to add another 16GB
11:09 AM Tom_L: put the i7 in a box
11:09 AM roycroft: there are 4 memory slots, and it currently has 2 4GB sticks
11:09 AM roycroft: i was planning on adding 2 8GB sticks
11:09 AM Tom_L: i'm not sure if mine is full or not
11:10 AM Tom_L: my spare board has M2
11:10 AM roycroft: if i open the case i void the warranty
11:10 AM Tom_L: with a Gb ssd
11:10 AM roycroft: so i figured i'd run it as it came for a while
11:10 AM roycroft: but the way it's behaving, i'm not sure i need to add the ram
11:11 AM Tom_L: i doubt it
11:11 AM roycroft: an ssd would be a big help, so perhaps that's where i'll invest my money
11:11 AM Tom_L: mine is plenty quick for me
11:11 AM Tom_L: single biggest improvement is ssd for sure
11:11 AM roycroft: it took about a minute to load the full model of my router
11:11 AM roycroft: as full as it is at this point
11:11 AM roycroft: still, that's less time than it takes on my imac
11:12 AM roycroft: but with an ssd i bet it would take half that amount of time or less
11:19 AM Tom_L: less i bet
11:20 AM roycroft: maybe
11:20 AM Tom_L: i've been using samsung evo and like them pretty well
11:20 AM roycroft: it's loading a few dozen or so files, which will go way faster
11:21 AM roycroft: it's also rebuilding the model, which won't be affected much by a faster disk
11:28 AM roycroft: today i'll install the ssd in my imac
11:34 AM Tom_L: prepare to be impressed :)
11:42 AM roycroft: i already am
11:43 AM roycroft: i cloned the internal disk to the ssd yesterday
11:43 AM roycroft: and i'm running on the ssd now, but it's in an external usb2 port at the moment
11:43 AM roycroft: it's already way faster than the internal drive, and i know that when i put it inside the machine it will be even faster
11:44 AM roycroft: all my vms are on an external usb drive right now as well and there's plenty of room on the new ssd for my vms, so once i install it in the machine i'll copy them over
11:44 AM roycroft: and all that stuff will be faster
11:45 AM Tom_L: ahh
11:46 AM roycroft: the data files are all on the internal disk
12:05 PM _unreal_: this machine is an I5. with 8gb ram... wishing I had more
12:06 PM _unreal_: but it works
12:06 PM _unreal_: I dont get into heavy rendering hardly ever
12:06 PM _unreal_: just cad drawing for machine path generation
12:25 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: And the occasional Doom-ish frag-fest when annoyed of course. LOL
12:29 PM * Bleepshop examines the roll of wire he grabbed for $5 at the scrapyard.
12:33 PM Bleepshop: Sweet. Entire 5lb roll of 28 AWG Chromel-P thermocouple wire. Now I just need to get hold of some matching guage Alumel and I'll have K-type thermocouples for years. LOL
12:38 PM Bleepshop: Or a hotwire cutter that will do 1:1 scale wings for a foamie 747. xD
12:39 PM _unreal_: I have not played games in such a long time
12:39 PM kyle1 is now known as kyle__
12:40 PM _unreal_: mainly because of my living location. Lot of stuff is going to change for me FINALLY and I can go back to normality when I can escape this house.
12:41 PM _unreal_: some good news. my father told me he JUST got a referal finally for reversal surgery to put his insides back together to normal function. does not have a "DATE" butits a BIG step forward. I just want him to GET THAT done with GET his other "legal" shit done with and GET A @#%@#$%@#$#@$%^! job so I can stop covering his ass FINALLY
12:42 PM _unreal_: and get my self back on track to ESCAPE
12:44 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: I'd say you start digging on that end and I'd start digging from this end but we'd probably end up like I-25 between El Paso and Denver... LOL https://interstatecamping.com/i25/i25nm/maps/i25nm.jpg
12:47 PM _unreal_: hum
12:48 PM _unreal_: remember I'm in florida
12:48 PM _unreal_: would have to dig REAL deep
12:48 PM Bleepshop: Use a snorkle? ;D
12:48 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, ever messed with DOC storage devices?
12:48 PM _unreal_: disk on chip
12:49 PM Bleepshop: Some. What are you tormenting?
12:49 PM _unreal_: I purchased one that was labled wrong on the amazon source few years ago....
12:49 PM _unreal_: took to long to get to it and could not return it
12:49 PM _unreal_: I have an ATA chip based device. and I dont know what to use it with? it does not work with DOC sockets
12:50 PM _unreal_: same socket though
12:50 PM _unreal_: https://www.ebay.com/itm/154405920881
12:50 PM _unreal_: its one of those I'm sure its 99% idetnical
12:51 PM _unreal_: but I dont know of any devices that take that kind of a chip
12:51 PM _unreal_: I spent like $75 for it 3 years ago. which is what I would have expected to pay for a 128mb DOC
12:54 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: If I'm reading this right it just uses a PATA interface. all you need is a socket/adapter to map the pins to an ATA plug. Find a datasheet and you'll know for sure.
12:55 PM _unreal_: Iheh I built one
12:55 PM _unreal_: didnt work or I fucked up some how. I doubt it
12:56 PM _unreal_: I had to have found a manual PINOUT on it some time ago because I have a small perf board with it mounted to it and a 5v regulator. its an adapter to IDE
12:58 PM _unreal_: fuck, elderly neighbor moment AGAIN back in a bit
01:00 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: I'd try tossing it on a breadboard and throwing an Arduino at it to see how many ATA commads it responds to if at all.
01:00 PM Tom_L: i'd be more apt to toss it somewhere else
01:02 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: Yes, but you can never be sure it'll reach the appropriate orifice at anything > 10km... ;D
01:26 PM _unreal_: palm to face
01:26 PM _unreal_: she lost her cell phone
01:27 PM _unreal_: it was ON her, she had tucked it into her "pants" under her shirt. but shes a bit hard of hearing so the volume is cracked on everything. took me a min to figure out where the phone was as well. till I took the land line phone and tried calling only to have her walk away and SHE was ringing...
01:27 PM _unreal_: hehehe
01:27 PM _unreal_: ! ding THERE IT IS
01:38 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: At least the ringing wasn't coming from behind and below... LMAO
02:05 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, she's 85yo :S eeeewwwww
02:08 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, 20 years ago I'd have gone NUTS for a pc104 and THIS 128mb ata chip disk.
02:08 PM _unreal_: my first cnc machine ran on turbocnc
02:08 PM _unreal_: and was a 486 50mhz laptop. ran off of the parallel port very fast and smooth
02:08 PM _unreal_: turbocnc is a DOS cnc step driver software
02:09 PM _unreal_: very useful just no visual work piece. only position information
02:09 PM Bleepshop: Yeah, those straight clocked 50s and the DX-2 100s were little screamers for their day.
02:10 PM _unreal_: I had a dx4 100 back in the day. COULDNT PLAY doom2 for shit
02:10 PM _unreal_: duke3d was amazing
02:10 PM _unreal_: something with the clocking I guess
02:10 PM _unreal_: well time to make late lunch then take my daughter on a bike ride
02:14 PM Bleepshop: I used to smoke half the campus at Doom ][ on a DX50. "But how? I've got a DX4-100." I had a 486-50, 16MB RAM, bat file to kickstart RAMDISK.SYS w/8MB and copy the entire Doom ][ folder to it.
03:13 PM roycroft: daffodils are poking up, and my mojito mint is starting to grow
03:13 PM roycroft: spring is really here
03:15 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: So I can send the next 2 months worth of snow and Ice we'd normally get up your way and it'll melt off quicker? ;D
03:15 PM roycroft: no, we try to keep invasive climate at bay
03:15 PM roycroft: sorry
03:16 PM roycroft: and sadly, my cunning plan for the day is somewhat foiled
03:16 PM roycroft: i blew up the partitioning of my ssd in a misguided attempt to create a new volume
03:17 PM Bleepshop: Yowch.
03:17 PM roycroft: i now know what i did wrong - it's some changes that were actually made in the previous version of mac os - and i have successfully repaired the partitioning
03:17 PM roycroft: but i have to clone my internal drive again, and that is going to take another 3 hours or so
03:17 PM roycroft: hopefully i'll still have time to install the ssd internally today
03:18 PM roycroft: i was hoping to do that this morning, and move the virtual machine volume to the ssd this afternoon
03:18 PM roycroft: oh well
03:19 PM roycroft: i can do some cad work while i'm waiting for the cloning to complete, i guess
03:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: funny how you can watch live and replays of the Olympics on Canadian and EU sites, but very few from the US
03:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbiFKF4ZXJ4
03:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: jump to 2:50
03:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but no 5-axis CAM mentioned
03:28 PM roycroft: from the us you are supposed to watch the ads, not the games
03:28 PM roycroft: and you are supposed to pay nbc for streaming access to more ads than they air
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.autodesk.ca/en/products/powermill/overview no price?
03:29 PM roycroft: autodesk generally don't publish prices
03:29 PM roycroft: they want you to contact a var for a quite
03:30 PM roycroft: quote, rather
03:30 PM roycroft: but most of their products are $5k or $8k
03:30 PM roguish[m]: Autodesk == $$$$$
03:30 PM roycroft: unless they think you have more money than that
03:30 PM roguish[m]: and going subscription..........
03:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there are usually posts about prices on forums
03:31 PM roycroft: yes
03:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: didn't find any yet
03:31 PM roycroft: people "leak" the prices
03:31 PM roycroft: maybe nobody is buying it
03:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh it's for winders only
03:32 PM roycroft: most of their products are
03:32 PM roycroft: i haven't tried out autocad for mac since they started supporting macos again
03:33 PM roycroft: but i'm told it's kind of like quicken for mac - a couple versions older than the current windows version, and lacking some of the features of that older version
03:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Fusion 360 with PowerMill Standard Total €16.935
03:35 PM roycroft: in the early days, autocad ran on unix as well as dos
03:35 PM roycroft: and was more popular on unix (sunos and sgi) than on dos
03:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah somebody said $7k
03:42 PM roycroft: again, it depends on how much money they think you have
03:42 PM roycroft: so i just found an old laptop computer that has an actual rs232 port
03:43 PM roycroft: it currently has windows xp pro installed on it
03:43 PM roycroft: i wonder if there's a modern linux distro that will run on it
03:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wonder how it compares to Mastercam and NX?
03:43 PM perry_j1987: any reason i cant run a VFD off modified sinewave inverter?
03:43 PM roycroft: it has a 700MHz pentium iii, 256MB of RAM, and a 20GB hard disk
03:44 PM roycroft: i'd like to sell my vt320 - i can get a fair amount of money for it, and it takes up a lot of space
03:44 PM roycroft: but sometimes i need an actual rs232 port - there are devices that don't like talking to my usb-rs232 adapter
03:44 PM roycroft: maybe i can install minix on it
03:45 PM perry_j1987: there are add on serial cards for pci or pcie
03:45 PM perry_j1987: 7-14 bucks on amazon
03:45 PM roycroft: that doesn't help when i'm in the field much
03:45 PM perry_j1987: various chipsets well supported
03:45 PM perry_j1987: ah
03:45 PM roycroft: it's hard enough lugging a vt320 around
03:46 PM roycroft: another reason to use a laptop
03:46 PM roycroft: and i have this machine
03:46 PM roycroft: all i need is tip/cu
03:46 PM perry_j1987: there are quite a few chipsets for usb-rs232
03:46 PM perry_j1987: it pays to have a spread of them in my experience
03:46 PM roycroft: a modern linux disto would be nice, though
03:46 PM roycroft: because i could also ssh from it
03:47 PM roycroft: i could probably just keep win xp on it and install putty
03:47 PM roycroft: but the machine is old and slow - i'd rather avoid windows on this kind of hardware
03:47 PM roycroft: linux would run so much faster
03:48 PM roycroft: and i just confirmed that there is a usb port (one) on this laptop
03:48 PM roycroft: so it's not quite old enough to be pre-usb
03:48 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Look for the newest machine you can find with cardbus and get a serial card for it.
03:48 PM roycroft: but it's probably not new enough to be able to boot from usb
03:49 PM roycroft: fortunately it has a cdrom drive, so i could burn the linux installer to cdrom
03:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Pocket-NC has some deal with Autodesk, Cloud based CAM is priced at ~$1 per file generated
03:49 PM roycroft: bleepshop: the objective is to not buy anything new
03:49 PM roycroft: to find a way to use what i have, and be able to sell the vt320
03:50 PM perry_j1987: do you guys know if there's any issues running a VFD off of a modified sine wave inverter
03:50 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Did I say to spend any $ ?
03:52 PM roycroft: right now i'm just trying to decide whether to keep this laptop or get rid of it
03:52 PM roycroft: i have too many old laptops
03:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just leave them ON and connected to the net pointing out your front window, let the spywarez use them to monitor things outside your home
03:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how many laptops with cameras can you point at each other so that you have nested spywarez?
03:59 PM roycroft: zero
03:59 PM roycroft: i physically disable all built in cameras and microphones in my computers
03:59 PM roycroft: if i need a camera or microphone i plug in an external one
04:01 PM * Tom_L moves his satelite over roycroft's house and turns on IR imaging
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds very suspicious
04:04 PM Tom_L: if powermill is anything like f360... no thanks
04:05 PM perry_j1987: CaptHindsight[m] too late i already have the Bee size camera drones swarming his house various times of the year
04:17 PM roycroft: i have radiant ceiling heat
04:17 PM roycroft: i bet that would cloak most of your overhead ir surveillance attempts
04:18 PM roycroft: i think i've told this story before, but i'll retell it in case i haven't, as succintly as i can
04:18 PM roycroft: a dozen or so years ago i got paged in the middle of the night for a fiber outage
04:19 PM roycroft: i quickly determined that was an equipment failure, and opened a priority 1 case with cisco
04:19 PM roycroft: the belgian team were on shift at the time
04:19 PM roycroft: they insisted that open a webex to help troubleshoot the problem
04:19 PM roycroft: i was fine with that
04:19 PM roycroft: i was in my underwear, looking very sleepy and disheveled, as it was 3am
04:20 PM roycroft: i had disabled the camera and microphone on my computer using the software settings of the os, so i felt fine with the webex
04:20 PM roycroft: a soon as i connected the cisco engineer said "oh, you have your camera turned off - i'll fix tha"
04:20 PM roycroft: and was able to turn it on remotely
04:20 PM perry_j1987: lol
04:20 PM roycroft: even though i had told the os not to use it
04:21 PM _unreal_: making some progress. I now have the the the computer for this big cnc semi setup and the motion/motor controller in a TEST location
04:21 PM roycroft: the next day i physically unplugged the camera and microphone on that computer, and have done so with all computers i've had since then
04:21 PM perry_j1987: is this the story about how you met your wife roycroft; was she the cisco engineer
04:21 PM perry_j1987: lol
04:22 PM _unreal_: looks like I'm going to have to bite the bullet and turn the machine around. I dont want to but I dont have a good location for the hardware that the machine plugs into to make it run
04:22 PM roycroft: no woman who saw me that night would ever want to pursue a romantic relationship with me, i'm sure
04:22 PM _unreal_: roycroft, nothing has changed on irc ether
04:22 PM _unreal_: LOL
04:23 PM roycroft: i'm not here looking for love
04:23 PM roycroft: even though your profess to offer it
04:23 PM _unreal_: palm to fac3e
04:23 PM _unreal_: err palm to cover ass
04:23 PM _unreal_: LOL
04:23 PM perry_j1987: lol
04:24 PM roycroft: neither apple nor cisco ever gave me any kind of explanation about how this person was able to remotely turn on my camera with webex
04:24 PM _unreal_: I dont have a camera that does not have an in operation LED. you cant even turn the camera on with out the LED turning on.
04:25 PM roycroft: but after that event, and the stink i made about it, cisco did institute a strict policy requiring any tac engineer to get explicit permisson before accessing/manipulating any customer computer setting
04:25 PM roycroft: if you're naked or mostly naked, it doesn't help if the led turns on when the camera turns on
04:25 PM roycroft: by the time you see the led it's too late
04:25 PM roycroft: the new webcam i bought for zoom meetings has an led that indicates when it's on
04:26 PM roycroft: it also has a cover for the lens
04:26 PM roycroft: and i have it plugged into a usb switching cable, so i can switch the power on when i want to use it, and switch it off when i'm done
04:26 PM _unreal_: so I'm a little bumbed out. two of my OPTO sensors are not working on that board.o
04:26 PM roycroft: there is a power led and a camera live led on the webcam
04:26 PM _unreal_: looks like both are going to the same chip
04:26 PM roycroft: when i turn the switch off, both go off
04:27 PM _unreal_: could be a bad contact fingers crossed. I have brand new chips on the board, and the same opto interrupter works on the other 4 ports 6 in total.
04:41 PM _unreal_: is there a difference between the LM339 AND LM339N?
04:44 PM Tom_L: yeah, her latest laptop came with a slide to cover the camera
04:46 PM _unreal_: what ever happend to whats her name girl that stopped in now and then?
04:57 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Utmel. https://www.utmel.com/compare/LM339N--3430537-vs-LM239N--3420363
05:01 PM solarwind: I don't know how it works, but turtle wax makes the ball in trackball mice super smooth
05:01 PM solarwind: next best thing is natural skin oil or a tad bit of grease depending on the bearings
05:02 PM solarwind: but turtle wax makes the trackball super shiny and roll smoothly without affecting optical tracking performance
05:04 PM solarwind: The static ceramic bearings in the MX ergo are insane
05:04 PM solarwind: someone told me they were static and didn't actually roll and I didn't believe them because it feels like they're actually moving when you slide your finger over them
05:04 PM solarwind: But then I drew a small dot with a permanent marker and indeed it is true, they do not move
05:05 PM solarwind: Human sense of touch is incredibly sensitive, can detect changes on the level of micrometers. But this blew my mind
05:27 PM _unreal_: why are you still using ball mice?
05:33 PM perry_j1987: hipster :)
05:46 PM _unreal_: perry_j1987, do you have or play with any of the old net apliences? from the early 2k's?
05:46 PM _unreal_: i.e. iopener and stuff like that
05:46 PM perry_j1987: nope
05:47 PM _unreal_: and you call your self a hipster
05:47 PM perry_j1987: i didnt call myself a hipster lol
05:47 PM perry_j1987: you asked why solarwind was using ball mice
05:47 PM perry_j1987: i called him a hipster lol
05:47 PM _unreal_: OHHHH
05:47 PM _unreal_: I see that noe
05:47 PM _unreal_: now
05:55 PM _unreal_: what a difference that makes
05:56 PM _unreal_: just got my small CNC put back to gether and fully motion tested... good to go
05:56 PM _unreal_: and its really starting to look like I dont have a choice and I have to turn the big cnc machine around... sigh
05:57 PM _unreal_: no good place for the cables
05:57 PM _unreal_: I'd like to relocate the entire thing but I dont have a place that I could put it so I can access everything and side
05:57 PM _unreal_: sigh
05:58 PM _unreal_: IF my stocks do what I'm hoping they do in the coming weeks.... man it would be nice to grow the cash to buy a house.
05:59 PM perry_j1987: hmm can i use a touch block and this tool length setter on the same input
05:59 PM _unreal_: what kind of tool setter
06:00 PM perry_j1987: https://amzn.to/34xFphv i got one of these
06:00 PM _unreal_: and it depends on how your using it. normally your "tool" probe device has a SET distance
06:01 PM _unreal_: What is the WIRE interface?
06:01 PM _unreal_: is it just a SIG/GRD
06:01 PM _unreal_: 2 wires?
06:01 PM perry_j1987: https://www.ebay.com/itm/353347352424 this one specifically
06:01 PM perry_j1987: 4 wires but i only got 2 wired up atm
06:01 PM _unreal_: what is the wiring scheme for both
06:01 PM perry_j1987: the other two are for the over travel
06:02 PM perry_j1987: the touch block is just gnd sig as well
06:03 PM _unreal_: as long as you are using the SAME wire scheme. there is no reason you can not switch between. BUT it depends on how its being used
06:03 PM _unreal_: for the tool setter. it HAS a set height.
06:03 PM _unreal_: so you know your "ground" zero 0 height. and the STOP/trigger point of that tool setter
06:04 PM _unreal_: if you are going to use a touch block as well. what kind of touch block?
06:04 PM _unreal_: are you talking about an aluminum corner block?
06:04 PM perry_j1987: just a disk style in plastic circle
06:04 PM _unreal_: ok
06:04 PM perry_j1987: measure its length in z so you know how much offset to use when zeroing etc
06:05 PM _unreal_: so the main probem your going ot run into is that you SET your probe "height" in your settings
06:05 PM perry_j1987: thats done on the fly
06:05 PM _unreal_: you would need to setup some "scripting" so you can control how the input is used
06:05 PM perry_j1987: https://wiki.printnc.info/en/controllers/linuxcnc/tool-setter-no-probe im using this
06:06 PM _unreal_: if its probing for the tool setter. or the z height probe
06:06 PM _unreal_: unless you have plenty of inputs you can use on your mesa
06:06 PM _unreal_: then just assign a a tool setter, and z height probe
06:07 PM perry_j1987: this isnt on the mesa machine
06:07 PM perry_j1987: just a parport bob
06:07 PM perry_j1987: i have each home switch on its own input atm
06:07 PM perry_j1987: i suppose i could re-jigger all that to get an extra input
06:07 PM _unreal_: so you are low in I/O
06:08 PM _unreal_: get a USB to par adapter
06:08 PM _unreal_: and you gain your self a bunch of I/O
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06:15 PM _unreal_: is it in a desktop?
06:15 PM _unreal_: if its a desktop. get an other par port card
06:15 PM perry_j1987: mini-itx
06:15 PM _unreal_: now you got extra I/O
06:15 PM perry_j1987: i'd need a pci adapter
06:15 PM _unreal_: do you have a slot to use?
06:15 PM perry_j1987: ya but all my parport cards are pcie heh
06:15 PM _unreal_: so BUY ONE. they are dirt cheap.
06:15 PM perry_j1987: i was looking into em
06:15 PM perry_j1987: so i could run the lathe and mill off same desktop
06:15 PM perry_j1987: and keep my other identical one as backup spare
06:15 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, got a good start on the wedge sled design this evening
06:16 PM Tom_L: my vision has taken a turn recently
06:16 PM JT-Cave: actually 36 is the most I use in the cad design
06:16 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, left or right?
06:17 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, what's the radius distance to the hole locations on yours?
06:18 PM JT-Cave: hmm 10" I think
06:18 PM JT-Cave: and 8" to the slot
06:18 PM Tom_L: i wasn't sure how big that template was
06:19 PM _unreal_: QUESTION.... are there er20 collets that are "quick change"
06:20 PM _unreal_: some kind of "preload" that holds the bits, and you just swap the entire collet and bit. maybe even the holding nut?
06:21 PM XXCoder: honestly by that point you want a toolchanger spindle.
06:22 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, how far apart from each radius center?
06:22 PM JT-Cave: for the slot?
06:22 PM JT-Cave: oh 4"
06:22 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, I know but I'm wondering if there is a quick change system.
06:22 PM Tom_L: no for right & left ?
06:22 PM JT-Cave: and the fence is 1.5"
06:23 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, heh
06:23 PM Tom_L: so 22.5, 15, 7.5, 5 and 3.75
06:23 PM Tom_L: deg
06:23 PM JT-Cave: I stopped at 5
06:24 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, I'm just wondering if there is any kind of tool changing system that is a "quick system" still manual but faster then 100% manual
06:24 PM JT-Cave: I must have did something like 8, 12, 16, 24, 36
06:25 PM XXCoder: not that I know of. closest thing to that is toolchanger spindle. it can be manually changed, if it has no toolchange system like corsel, etc
06:28 PM _unreal_: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=er20+quick+change+tooling&&view=detail&mid=5046230C226A8F1420195046230C226A8F142019&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Der20%2Bquick%2Bchange%2Btooling%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
06:29 PM XXCoder: ugh hate watching video embedded in bing, popped it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alGJqKOwbBs
06:30 PM Tom_L: ok that geometry was pretty easy to come up wiht
06:30 PM roycroft: i just bought a new "pet hair" vacuum cleaner
06:30 PM XXCoder: it shows NOTHING of the machinary needed for drawbar pull and release
06:31 PM roycroft: i have a decent vacuum cleaner already, and i just vacuumed the living room and hall last week
06:31 PM roycroft: i tried the new one and filled the cannister with cat hair just doing the hallway
06:31 PM roycroft: apparently there was a lot of hair embedded in the carpet that my old vacuum was not picking up
06:31 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKNXUorPkY4&t=0s first part I think
06:32 PM roycroft: this new one also picks up right next to the wall - the old one left a strip about 1cm wide that i had to vacuum manually with a crevice tool
06:32 PM roycroft: so that worked out nicely, i think
06:33 PM JT-Cave: chickens are all tucked in and I've read them a bedtime story so time to call it a day
06:33 PM JT-Cave: say goodnight Gracie
06:33 PM roycroft: goodnight gracie
06:34 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, you should engrave the lines & count
06:34 PM roycroft: my disk clone is almost finished, too
06:34 PM roycroft: so i'll be taking apart my imac shortly
06:34 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, ya I think I'll stick with 100% manual changing
06:35 PM XXCoder: having tool length measure makes it much easier
06:35 PM roycroft: i'm thinking about using tts for my router, but i've not found an er20 compatible tts holder
06:35 PM _unreal_: I dont know what a TTS holder is
06:35 PM roycroft: tormach tool system
06:36 PM roycroft: it's the most common indexed toolholding system used on small machines
06:36 PM _unreal_: oh more or less the thing I was posting
06:36 PM XXCoder: he makes his own heat strunk toolholder
06:37 PM XXCoder: I used to use em, I like and hate those
06:37 PM XXCoder: you can have very long and thin holder for clearance
06:37 PM XXCoder: I used it so much for that hated fiberglass parts ugh
06:37 PM * roycroft hopes his imac will boot off the clone like it did yesterday
06:38 PM _unreal_: looks like I'm going to need to design and print a new ER20 collet holder. though not till I need to use the NEW NEW machine that is not built yet HEH
06:38 PM _unreal_: SIGH
06:39 PM roycroft: like a tray for holding them?
06:39 PM _unreal_: time to grab a beer
06:39 PM _unreal_: yes
06:39 PM roycroft: if so, there are plenty on thingiverse already
06:40 PM roycroft: i made a nice little one for my router table - i only need a half dozen collets for that
06:41 PM roycroft: i made an oak base, did the cutouts to hold the collets in 1/4" clear acrylic, and used brass standoffs to hold the acrylic off the oak
06:41 PM * roycroft is seconds away from the clone being done, and is waiting with bated breath to try booting off the ssd again
06:42 PM roycroft: and it is done
06:42 PM roycroft: time to reboot
06:42 PM _unreal_: roycroft, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4925763
06:42 PM _unreal_: that is a design I came up with
06:45 PM _unreal_: I like that !!!! https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5215750
06:45 PM _unreal_: very retro
06:46 PM XXCoder: as crammed as old belge towers too
06:47 PM _unreal_: ya
06:47 PM _unreal_: I had one that was SOOOO freaking crammed. once
06:47 PM _unreal_: scsi, every kind of expansion card you could think of
06:47 PM * roycroft is back, booted from the ssd
06:47 PM _unreal_: got all kinds of adapters never used half.
06:48 PM roycroft: it usually takes about 20 minutes to boot this machine
06:48 PM roycroft: it took about 3 minutes this time
06:48 PM _unreal_: 20min??
06:48 PM _unreal_: on a max
06:48 PM _unreal_: mac
06:48 PM _unreal_: ?
06:48 PM roycroft: and once i install the ssd internally it will probably take less than a minute
06:48 PM roycroft: i'm running on the internal drive, _unreal_
06:48 PM roycroft: it's a 5400rpm drive, no fusion, and it's starting to fail
06:48 PM roycroft: i'm installing a 2TB ssd inside the machine in a few minutes
06:49 PM roycroft: now to clear some room on my desk to dismantle the imac
06:52 PM _unreal_: 5400 RPM... heh
06:52 PM _unreal_: I only had them for a short time. wish I had kept one....'
06:53 PM _unreal_: I had these intel 486 50 mhz "tablet" things that I use to use 20 years ago when I worked for the LAB.
06:53 PM _unreal_: I had gottena few I forget how. they ran on PCMCIA harddrives
06:53 PM _unreal_: B/W lcd
06:55 PM _unreal_: man. ever sense I was stick I have not put that weight back yet :(
06:55 PM _unreal_: stick=sick
07:03 PM roycroft: oh, and other good news
07:04 PM roycroft: when i was at target today i found some 91% isopropanol, for the first time in over 2 years
07:04 PM _unreal_: drum roll please
07:04 PM roycroft: i picked up a couple bottles
07:04 PM _unreal_: o,O
07:04 PM _unreal_: I dont think I've never not seen it on the shelves
07:04 PM roycroft: and that is the preferred solvent for cleaning up my imac where the screen mounting tape goes
07:04 PM roycroft: so just in time
07:05 PM roycroft: when the pandemic started all isoproponol disappeared
07:05 PM roycroft: both because of hoarding and because it's made from refinery byproducts
07:05 PM _unreal_: there is a rite aid, wall greens and everything else every 1/4 mile
07:05 PM roycroft: when people stopped driving, there were fewer refinery byproducts
07:06 PM _unreal_: should have asked, I could have MAILED you a case
07:07 PM _unreal_: the ONLY thing that ever got scarce for a bit here in florida was TP. but I already had 2 HUGE packs of 26 rolls of scotts 1000. so NEVER ever came close to running out. before all the BS started to hit
07:11 PM roycroft: i have some now
07:20 PM roycroft: well the screen came off without breaking it
07:20 PM roycroft: it's all downhill from here
08:25 PM roycroft: so yeah
08:25 PM roycroft: it takes about 30 seconds to boot now
08:25 PM roycroft: i can live with that
08:29 PM Tom_L: you'll have to learn how to keep up now :)
08:38 PM roycroft: yes, i'll have to change my habits
08:38 PM roycroft: it used to be that when i needed to reboot i could go take a shower or fix a meal or something while waiting
08:38 PM roycroft: now i'll just reboot
08:39 PM Tom_L: or take a damn fast shower
08:40 PM roycroft: there's still something wrong with the disk formatting though
08:40 PM roycroft: i created a 2TB partition on the drive, and told it i wanted a 1TB volume for the operating system and a 1TB volume for virtual machines
08:41 PM roycroft: that seemed to be fine, but the os consumes ~550GB
08:41 PM roycroft: and when i booted the ssd it seems there are 550GB on the os partition, the same used for an os-data partition that i did not create, and not enough room for the virtual machines since there is this extra partition
08:42 PM roycroft: i'll have to get that sorted later
08:42 PM Tom_L: is this the windows one or something else?
08:42 PM roycroft: i don't use most of my virtual machines on a regular basis, so i can leave them on the old external drive for now
08:42 PM roycroft: this is my imac
08:42 PM Tom_L: ok
08:42 PM Tom_L: never owned one
08:43 PM roycroft: there's a new partitioning scheme that apple introduced in the previous os release
08:43 PM roycroft: this is the first time i've had to use it to partition a disk
08:43 PM roycroft: and the second attempt that i screwd up somehow
08:43 PM roycroft: but it's ok - when i'm ready to redo it i can clone from the ssd to an external hard disk, repartition the ssd, and clone back
08:44 PM roycroft: tonight, i just want to be fully functional again
08:44 PM Tom_L: that utility i showed you should work on any drive for a clone
08:44 PM roycroft: but not on a mac, i'd bet
08:44 PM Tom_L: unless you have a better one
08:44 PM Tom_L: try it once :)
08:45 PM Tom_L: would be interesting to see
08:45 PM roycroft: carbon copy cloner works well
08:45 PM Tom_L: i've used it for linux stuff
08:45 PM roycroft: i usually use dd
08:45 PM roycroft: and that works on a mac
08:45 PM roycroft: or did, until recently
08:46 PM roycroft: i'm not sure any more
08:49 PM Tom_L: https://support.macrium.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12001
08:49 PM Tom_L: it will but will be slower and don't try to reorder the partitions
08:50 PM Tom_L: i'll likely never need it but it's good to know
08:51 PM roycroft: the windows machine is doing ok now
08:51 PM roycroft: i have sw installed on it
08:51 PM roycroft: i want to move autocad to it as well
08:51 PM Tom_L: yeah i recall that
08:52 PM roycroft: and eventually, whatever aspire software i get - probably vcarve pro
08:52 PM roycroft: the windows "restore points" don't work like snapshots
08:52 PM roycroft: so i'll probably want to clone the disk before i install each of the other apps
08:52 PM roycroft: it's just too much work to reinstall from scratch if something goes wrong
08:53 PM Tom_L: i keep plenty of ssd just for that
08:53 PM Tom_L: a just in case..
08:54 PM roycroft: i have a pile of used, but still good, ssds
08:54 PM roycroft: but they're all 64GB and 128GB
08:54 PM roycroft: i need more storage than that for cloning
08:54 PM roycroft: but that's ok - i have several 3TB disks that i'm not using
08:54 PM Tom_L: mine are either 500G or 1T
08:54 PM roycroft: and i don't care if it takes all day to clone
08:54 PM Tom_L: nothing bigger.. i don't really need more
08:54 PM roycroft: these ssds i removed from some of our old servers
08:55 PM roycroft: the ssds were just there for the os, which was pretty lean
08:55 PM Tom_L: any remaps?
08:55 PM roycroft: 16GB would be fine, but 16GB enterprise ssds are expensive these days
08:55 PM roycroft: 64GB and 128GB are actually cheaper
08:55 PM roycroft: not an abnormal amount of remaps
08:55 PM roycroft: ssds always are doing that
08:55 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:55 PM roycroft: if you buy a 500GB ssd there's probably 1.5TB of actual storage
08:56 PM Tom_L: i haven't looked at mine in quite a while
08:56 PM roycroft: but 1TB will be reserved for remapping
08:59 PM roycroft: i think the real difference between enterprise ssds and consumer ssds is the amount of remapping space
09:02 PM Tom_L: do you use overprovisioning?
09:02 PM roycroft: sometimes, but usually not
09:02 PM Tom_L: yeah it's off on these
09:03 PM Tom_L: what's PSID?
09:03 PM roycroft: it's a security key
09:04 PM roycroft: a unique drive identifier that's stored in a normally non-accessible part of the drive, or in its firmware - i'm not sure where
09:04 PM roycroft: but it's an immutable drive identifier
10:12 PM solarwind: Damn
10:12 PM solarwind: it's obvious now, but the "tig finger" fibreglass thing emits lots of fibreglass dust
10:12 PM solarwind: and if you handle it with bare hands, will stick your hands full of fibreglass needles
10:13 PM solarwind: it has to be kept moist
10:13 PM roycroft: i've not noticed that, and i've been using a tig finger for years
10:13 PM solarwind: The exhuast wrap for my motorcycle comes with a big warning to remind you. Not sure why this doesn't
10:14 PM roycroft: but if yours does, you can always put on a finger condom before the tig finter
10:14 PM solarwind: aka gloves, yes
10:14 PM solarwind: but I handled it with bare hands this time to wash and dry
10:15 PM solarwind: the small amount of grease that accumulated over time kept the fibres intact, but once I washed it with soap and dried it, fibreglass dust and needles everywhere
10:15 PM solarwind: that's expected though, all fibreglass behaves like that
10:15 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075WX89H7
10:16 PM roycroft: those are also great when you're spreading glue or smoothing calk with your finger
11:44 PM roycroft: i just did some cad work on my imac, now that both the os volume and vm volume are on the internal ssd
11:44 PM roycroft: and while sw is substantially faster on that machine that it was, the stand-alone windows machine is still way faster