Feb 05 2022
01:33 AM Deejay: moin
05:24 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:35 AM Tom_L: morning
05:36 AM Tom_L: 16°F
06:39 AM JT-Cave: 18°F
07:05 AM enleth: roycroft: there was an app from one of the leading bearing manufacturers that could identify failing bearings by sound way before it would be perceptible to human ears
07:05 AM enleth: can't find it now, though
07:11 AM enleth: you don't always need that much advance warning, but I'm sure there are situations where, by the time you can hear the bearing going bad, the runout or vibration it causes are a dealbreaker and you're faced with unplanned downtime
07:21 AM unterhausen: we did some research into determining if a bearing was going bad, but we had trouble making them go bad
07:22 AM unterhausen: there was a company near here that had a device that would make bearings go bad, it was impressively elaborate
08:07 AM unterhausen: in a delayed reaction from the rain yesterday, every door is getting difficult to open
08:08 AM unterhausen: which is a little weird, since it got cold yesterday
08:44 AM t4nk_freenode: mmm did you have your breakfast today, unterhausen?
08:44 AM t4nk_freenode: ;)
08:47 AM _unreal_: so that was one of the worst sleeps I've had in a while??? I slept but was up a few times etc....
08:49 AM t4nk_freenode: heheh
08:50 AM t4nk_freenode: I had 5 sleeps this week
08:51 AM t4nk_freenode: you're up early in any case
10:26 AM unterhaus_: I thought I bought 4 speakon connectors, but I only bought a single one
10:30 AM unterhaus_: it was $10 than what mouser charges
10:30 AM unterhaus_: now I'm wondering if I wasn't scammed
10:37 AM XXCoder: does it say 4 anywhere?
10:38 AM unterhaus_: the problem is nowadays ebay and amazon don't keep the listing that you actually bought
10:38 AM unterhaus_: so if the vendor changes it after, you have no evidence
10:39 AM XXCoder: hmm :(
10:39 AM unterhaus_: or, it could be the problem that it's a 4 pole connector. Still way overpriced
10:39 AM Tom_L: screenshot
10:39 AM unterhaus_: I guess I'm going to have to start accumulating screenshots, which is b.s.
10:40 AM unterhaus_: I guess I could delete them right away
10:40 AM unterhaus_: vendor has good feedback, and lots of it, so probably I just failed to read the listing properly or something
10:41 AM unterhaus_: it's $12, so I shouldn't waste too much time worrying about it
10:42 AM unterhaus_: except for the inconvenience of getting 3 more
10:42 AM Tom_L: 4
10:42 AM XXCoder: I once got refunded on round rail order, because guy had X2 on title but have tiny font "one rod"
10:42 AM Tom_L: you will need a spare
10:45 AM unterhaus_: Tom_L that leads to madness
10:45 AM unterhaus_: XXCoder, I should only order 6 pack of 4 contact connectors
10:46 AM unterhaus_: but if the title says x2 then you should probably just return, ebay will back you up
10:46 AM XXCoder: i complained and got refunded. since rod is all way from china, they didnt want me to return it
10:49 AM XXCoder: good thing too since it was ok deal for 2, it was ripoff price for one
10:49 AM unterhaus_: yeah, all too common
10:51 AM unterhaus_: client wants me to teach him undergrad statics for free
10:53 AM unterhaus_: if I was 78 y.o., statics wouldn't be high on my list of things to learn
10:54 AM unterhaus_: I would be learning the names of beaches that I was going to go sit on
10:56 AM XXCoder: :)
10:58 AM unterhaus_: too bad I gave away my whiteboard
11:09 AM _unreal_: starting the painful process of organizing my room now that the big move has finished
11:09 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, up early? I was up at 9:30am hardly early
11:10 AM t4nk_freenode: that's early.
11:11 AM t4nk_freenode: I was just looking at miniature bearings on ali
11:11 AM t4nk_freenode: they have all gone mad with their shipping costs
11:17 AM t4nk_freenode: welll they won't be selling it to me.
11:18 AM _unreal_: skate board bearings are what I used
11:18 AM _unreal_: they are cheap and you can get them easy
11:18 AM t4nk_freenode: yeah, darnit... I got plenty of those
11:18 AM t4nk_freenode: 110 pieces or so
11:18 AM t4nk_freenode: but apart from the m8 bolts&nuts I don't like...
11:19 AM unterhaus_: what do you call a brushless motor that has 4 wires?
11:19 AM t4nk_freenode: they won't fit as a drop-in replacement for my machine
11:20 AM _unreal_: right now I'm working on getting my "gaming" systems put back together going to my TV. I have not touched any of them in YEARS
11:20 AM _unreal_: but still nice to have setup
11:20 AM t4nk_freenode: they'd block the holes to attach them
11:20 AM _unreal_: unterhaus_, brushless with 4 wires?
11:20 AM _unreal_: unterhaus_, got a model number
11:20 AM t4nk_freenode: so I'd have to mill some new plates
11:21 AM _unreal_: typically a 4 wire brushless is as "bipolar" stepper motor. is that a 3 phase motor?
11:21 AM _unreal_: as=a
11:21 AM _unreal_: unterhaus_, if its a 3 phase motor then the 4th wire is a GROUND
11:21 AM _unreal_: 3phase put out a lot of EMI
11:22 AM unterhaus_: as I recall, there is some resistance between all 4 wires
11:23 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, If I were you. I would suggest getting plywood, use your machine to mill the playwood, to make new parts for your machine. if done right. they will be much stronger then the printed parts
11:23 AM unterhaus_: proprietary motor, so model number isn't much good
11:23 AM _unreal_: are you sure its 4 phase?
11:23 AM unterhaus_: I'm sure it has 4 _wires_
11:23 AM _unreal_: how many steps PER ROTATION?
11:24 AM t4nk_freenode: stronger thAn. and do you mean milling the bearings themselves from plywood?
11:24 AM _unreal_: o,O t4nk_freenode
11:24 AM t4nk_freenode: the holders for the bearings of course
11:24 AM t4nk_freenode: like the printed blocks I have now
11:24 AM unterhaus_: probably should hook up some wires and spin it with a drill
11:24 AM _unreal_: yes
11:25 AM _unreal_: though the printed blocks are done in a way that milling is not an option for you :/
11:25 AM _unreal_: though you where talking about building a new machine
11:25 AM t4nk_freenode: yes
11:25 AM unterhaus_: there are 4 wire brushless drivers on ebay. 4th wire seems to be the virtual neutral
11:25 AM t4nk_freenode: hehe
11:25 AM _unreal_: I would suggest yousing your machine to mill WOOD parts
11:26 AM t4nk_freenode: I don't feel like letting this machine go to waste... but I still want to upgrade the bearings
11:26 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, unless you do plan on getting extrusion
11:26 AM t4nk_freenode: I am
11:26 AM t4nk_freenode: so I'm fixing this machine here up
11:26 AM t4nk_freenode: and I'm also gonna order the c beams
11:26 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, how much "PLAY" is in that machine of your'se?
11:26 AM t4nk_freenode: none at all
11:27 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I would REALLLLLLY consider turning it into a laser etcher
11:27 AM _unreal_: its DESIGNED for it
11:27 AM _unreal_: low load and "FAST!"
11:28 AM t4nk_freenode: unless I fix the bearings to be nice and smooth, I cannot live with how it runs right now
11:28 AM t4nk_freenode: https://postimg.cc/gallery/HVRdJx1 though the results are still nice
11:28 AM t4nk_freenode: but it's kind of eating me up
11:29 AM t4nk_freenode: the backlash isn't the dramatic part.. but the fact that the backlash is unpredictable
11:29 AM t4nk_freenode: I can't pinpoint a value
11:29 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, THATS WHAT I am getting at
11:30 AM _unreal_: a laser is a no contact so there is no load
11:30 AM _unreal_: no resistance
11:30 AM t4nk_freenode: no, look, when I'm measuring the backlash with a probe.. there's no resistance either
11:30 AM t4nk_freenode: heh, but even so... unpredictable
11:30 AM _unreal_: and you had two methods of doing laser etching. LEFT/RIGHT/LEFT/RIGHT like a printer, OR follow the LINE like cnc milling
11:31 AM _unreal_: had=have
11:31 AM _unreal_: in your case the left/right is ideal
11:31 AM t4nk_freenode: I guess that the bearings start moving at an arbitrary point within the backlash that exists in the nut
11:31 AM t4nk_freenode: see what I mean?
11:32 AM _unreal_: the real trick is just setting up laser etching with what is called "over run" which means the laser runs PAST the end of the laser etching work area and slows down/stop then traverses, it gets rid of the jitter from changing the direction of the z head fast.
11:32 AM _unreal_: yes
11:33 AM _unreal_: I can see it, I believe the term for having a common/constant fail point like that is "ringing"
11:33 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, you already have the machine running on GRBL. most laser etchers run on GRBL to begin with.
11:34 AM _unreal_: I would consider it
11:34 AM t4nk_freenode: I've also been thinking about adding some kind of tracking system, some kind of encoder to keep track of the position
11:34 AM _unreal_: "if" you do... you need only to make a simple enclosure with something like coroplast "plastic cardboard" and a fan to a duct you can run out the window.
11:35 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ens1j-b28
11:36 AM _unreal_: use something like that with a "timing belt" easy
11:37 AM t4nk_freenode: well that would be kind of useless.. I mean... keeping track of the rotary position of the stepper.. does nothing about the backlash
11:37 AM _unreal_: timing belt strip, two bearings and a timing belt pully on the encoder. Setup the bearings and the encoder in a triangle and tension the timing belt strip at one end of the machine.
11:37 AM _unreal_: YES IT CAN
11:38 AM t4nk_freenode: you sound like obama ;)
11:38 AM _unreal_: if the backlash is in runout/flex of the machine. you CANT fix it with with any kind of backlash adjustments in steps.
11:40 AM _unreal_: now one of your pcb's looked REALLY good, nice clean circles.
11:40 AM t4nk_freenode: that was the first one I made a while back
11:40 AM _unreal_: that tells me the machine likely has more issues with FLEX run out then anything else
11:41 AM t4nk_freenode: the new one is suffering from backlash
11:41 AM _unreal_: then that is WEAR
11:41 AM _unreal_: and the machine is flexing
11:41 AM _unreal_: cant take the load
11:41 AM t4nk_freenode: well, I don't think the flexing is a problem with that, but I am wondering about wear
11:42 AM _unreal_: heavy "spindle" motor
11:42 AM _unreal_: plus resistance of milling
11:42 AM t4nk_freenode: I should have designed the bearings in two pieces so I could easily print replacement bearings
11:42 AM _unreal_: and "feed rate"
11:42 AM t4nk_freenode: instead of having to print the whole damned blocks
11:43 AM _unreal_: I DID mention that long time ago
11:43 AM _unreal_: those bearings will wear
11:44 AM t4nk_freenode: in the beginning I had no problems at all man.. I mean, nothing...
11:45 AM t4nk_freenode: and now... if I run it for a bit... home is off by a lot
11:46 AM t4nk_freenode: if I mill some new plates.. then I can use the skateboard bearings
11:46 AM t4nk_freenode: at least 2 per block
11:46 AM t4nk_freenode: I could also go smaller on the bearings, because I have a couple of different types
11:46 AM t4nk_freenode: like the ones I used for the z-axis
11:46 AM _unreal_: like I said you built a laser etcher and mounted a jack hammer on it (spindle)
11:47 AM t4nk_freenode: but I'm not convinced they would hold out very long
11:47 AM _unreal_: you know I'm loving this!!! because everything your complaining about right now I warned you about!!!!!!!
11:47 AM _unreal_: and its all in the logs
11:47 AM _unreal_: >:)___
11:48 AM _unreal_: >:)_ _ _
11:48 AM t4nk_freenode: never trust anything anyone says
11:48 AM t4nk_freenode: find out for yourself
11:49 AM _unreal_: dont study history ether. knowing history of others experience on the same topics is bad too....... "rolling eyes"
11:50 AM t4nk_freenode: if you think the news is bad... just think about how history is... *rolling eyes 720 degrees in sockets*
11:51 AM t4nk_freenode: look... I got the bearings
11:51 AM t4nk_freenode: ... but I gotta demolish 8 ender wheels to get them ;)
11:52 AM t4nk_freenode: no matter how I solve it.. it's gonna be a pain
11:52 AM _unreal_: So as I said, I would really consider rebuilding the thing adding real ball bearings, and converting the machine into a laser etcher. you could not ask for a better setup. large work area, its FAST
11:52 AM _unreal_: laser etching you want SPEED!
11:52 AM t4nk_freenode: fast... only if I put the 8mm lead screws back on
11:52 AM _unreal_: WHAT EVER
11:53 AM _unreal_: My laser etcher with its current ":P" arduino can MOVE fast but etch slow. my laser etcher can MOVE at 12,000 mm/min
11:53 AM t4nk_freenode: ah.. and what about a laser... gotta buy one too, they won't come free
11:53 AM _unreal_: a 5+ watt laser etcher head is $25 USD or less
11:54 AM t4nk_freenode: and that's not to mention what the heck I should do with it... burn mickey mice onto a piece of wood?
11:54 AM t4nk_freenode: lol
11:54 AM _unreal_: its better to get a higher watt power, that way you are not running it at 100% power
11:54 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, designs onto wooden cutting boards for starters
11:54 AM _unreal_: easy business
11:56 AM _unreal_: wooden spoons. other materials, there are lots of NONO materials with a laser etcher though. toxic fumes and biproducts that release materials that will damage the machine. like PVC you CANT laser etch PVC, it releases an ACID that will damage everything and its STUPID un-healthy
11:57 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, food for thought. ETSY business
11:58 AM t4nk_freenode: I won't condemn you for it or anything, but.. it's just not how I roll
11:58 AM t4nk_freenode: I want nothing to do with that ;)
11:59 AM _unreal_: with what?
11:59 AM t4nk_freenode: 'business'
11:59 AM _unreal_: ?
11:59 AM _unreal_: everyone says that till they start making $$$$$$ sales
12:00 PM _unreal_: make enough $ sales and it becomes an addition
12:00 PM t4nk_freenode: I prefer knowledge
12:00 PM t4nk_freenode: and ability
12:00 PM _unreal_: how does that not relate
12:01 PM t4nk_freenode: you'd be too occupied with making money and prostituting yourself
12:02 PM _unreal_: you are correct mostly.... and it would be Prostituting one's knowledge and ability's
12:09 PM t4nk_freenode: lol... and then they come smash your windows.. 'my mickey is losing his ears!!'
12:09 PM t4nk_freenode: lol
12:09 PM t4nk_freenode: 'I want my money back!'
12:11 PM _unreal_: "term of sales" no refunds you signed it easy shi...
12:11 PM _unreal_: easy=EAT
12:14 PM _unreal_: I've owned and run multi companies in the past. When I get a bunch of things "corrected" in my life right now. I'm going to open one of my LLC's back up and start advertising this time. I was making good money before. but I want to get OUT of this freaking house. I need to escape. I'm so damn handicaped its horrible.
12:15 PM _unreal_: this cnc machine that is almost done sitting behind me. will be an easy ticket
12:23 PM t4nk_freenode: bbl
12:43 PM solarwind: WOW RCCI engines are getting 60% thermal efficiency
12:44 PM solarwind: might be fun taking an old diesel engine and making a project of out of it
12:45 PM solarwind: the Achates opposed piston diesel engine is getting 50% thermal efficiency and is already somewhat available
12:47 PM solarwind: I think internal combustion engines will have their place in certain applications as long as they can be made really efficient
12:47 PM solarwind: The tier 4 diesel engines have excellent emissions characteristics, but damn they're expensive
12:56 PM _unreal_: what is an RCCI engine
01:32 PM _unreal_: I think I'm going to take my daughter here today or tomorrow https://goo.gl/maps/a2h2wrfEZ74mjLKM8
01:33 PM solarwind: How much do you guys pay for argon refills for a T cylinder ~330ft^3?
01:34 PM _unreal_: heh I've never emptied the bottle I have yet
01:34 PM _unreal_: not enough welding
01:39 PM _unreal_: just found a GOOD working location for my mini laser etcher
01:39 PM _unreal_: maybe now I will ge the desire to do something with it and put it back into working order
02:26 PM solarwind: The argon regulator/flowmeter that came with my everlast welder has an invalid CGA outlet port
02:27 PM solarwind: According to this chart anyway: https://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/en/blog/2019/march/difference-between-welding-hoses.aspx
02:27 PM solarwind: It has 5/8"-18 threads but the coupling nut has internal threads
02:27 PM solarwind: So it's neither CGA 032 norCGA 022
02:28 PM solarwind: The Victor regulator flowmeter I bought came with CGA 022 which is nice because I can repurpose one of my old oxygen hoses and attach a pneumatic quick coupler to it
02:40 PM roycroft: i don't remember what adapters i got for my everlast flow meters, but i have pneumatic quick disconnects on both of them
02:41 PM roycroft: when i set up my tig welder i ran the argon into two flowmeters, so i could adjust main shield and backing shield pressures independently
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02:41 PM roycroft: s/pressures/flows/
02:41 PM roycroft: iirc it was fairly straightforward to set them up
02:42 PM roycroft: but it's been about 10 years since i did that
02:42 PM solarwind: Yeah it came with a hose barb, just saying that it's a non-standard flowmeter outlet connection
02:44 PM solarwind: I'm about to buy the powermig 254 DPi
02:45 PM solarwind: There's no other double pulse mig welder out there at that price. Next closest option from ESAB is at least 2x the price
02:46 PM roycroft: i like using those coiled whip hoses for shield gas
02:47 PM solarwind: I keep mine as short as possible to reduce the surge
02:47 PM solarwind: I even put a second pressure regulator right at the welder's solenoid inlet port to limit max pressure
02:47 PM solarwind: The Victor regulator already uses the lowest pressure out of any argon regulator I can find; 25 psi
02:48 PM roycroft: the 253 dpi?
02:48 PM solarwind: No, for my PowerTIG 325EXT
02:48 PM solarwind: doesn't matter for MIG
02:48 PM roycroft: you said you were going to buy a powermig 254 dpi
02:48 PM roycroft: did you mean 253 dpi?
02:48 PM solarwind: Ah yes
02:49 PM roycroft: ok,
02:49 PM roycroft: i wasn't finding a 254 dpi
02:49 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, you forgot to mention how to login when CMP is enabled lol
02:49 PM roycroft: you just go to site.com/wp-admin
02:49 PM roycroft: and log in
02:50 PM roycroft: the 253 dpi looks like the mig machine i'd get
02:50 PM JT-Shop: I usually use site.com/admin
02:50 PM roycroft: i want to upgrade my old lincoln electric one - it is just too small
02:51 PM roycroft: site.com/wp-login works with cmp as well
02:51 PM roycroft: both should bring you to the login window
02:51 PM JT-Shop: aye I figured that out after a quick search
02:51 PM solarwind: And delete the setup file immediately
02:52 PM solarwind: wordpress is pretty terrible to begin with, but if you have no choice...
02:52 PM roycroft: wordpress has gotten a lot better
02:52 PM roycroft: it's still not ideal, and never will be
02:52 PM roycroft: but it has the advantage of a huge installed base
02:52 PM JT-Shop: I don't have any wordpress exposed just woocommerce
02:53 PM roycroft: and that means a lot of insultants know how to manage it
02:53 PM roycroft: so when your it guy quits or tries to sabotage the site, it's easy to find someone to fix it
02:54 PM roycroft: when we started hosting wp sites i was counting hacks per day
02:54 PM roycroft: after a while, days per hack
02:54 PM roycroft: now, a hacked site is extremely rare
02:54 PM roycroft: and not because i'm so much better at managing them
02:55 PM roycroft: the code base has gotten better, and they've paid a lot of attenton to security
02:55 PM roycroft: i also don't dread updates any more like i used to
02:55 PM roycroft: because most things don't break when wp is updated
02:56 PM roycroft: and things that do are usually identified ahead of time
02:56 PM roycroft: that's really our bottom line - we host and manage hundreds of wp sites
02:56 PM roycroft: and it takes a small fraction of my time, and not much more of my boss' time, and we keep them pretty up to date
02:57 PM roycroft: and yeah, as jt-shop was just saying - wp does not have to even look like it's wp any more
02:58 PM roycroft: it's really morphed into a general purpose website building platform - its days as just blogware are long gone
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03:20 PM * JT-Shop fails to find a way to offer free shipping only on certain products :(
03:30 PM roycroft: look at woocommerce table shipping rate pro
03:30 PM roycroft: i think it will handle just about any shipping option you want, including free local pickup
03:30 PM roycroft: it's a paid plugin, though
03:45 PM roycroft: i'm told now that i need to install a "media creation tool" from microsoft in order to create a bootable thumb drive windows installer
03:45 PM roycroft: i'll find out if that's true or not in a bit
03:46 PM unterhaus_: my wife's close co-worker died suddenly
04:02 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, for that store paid plugin is not viable, thanks for mentioning it
04:02 PM JT-Shop: the solution is to not have free shipping in that store
04:09 PM Tom_L: movin your stores again?
04:10 PM JT-Shop: no, changing from open cart to woocommerce
04:10 PM Tom_L: ahh
04:11 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i had to dl that as well
04:24 PM roycroft: i'm dealing with something similar with my imac
04:24 PM roycroft: as of os 11, it's almost impossible to make a bootable copy of the system disk
04:24 PM roycroft: which i need to do in order to migrate to the ssd
04:24 PM roycroft: i'm trying carbon copy cloner
04:24 PM roycroft: which claims to kind of sort of work
04:25 PM roycroft: it makes me happy that i decided to make sure the ssd is bootable before i take the machine apart
04:26 PM roycroft: this is clean up the office and office computers weekend for me
05:48 PM unterhaus_: I guess I have to calibrate my extruder
06:09 PM roycroft: the media creator thing seems to be doing something
06:09 PM roycroft: it claims to be 71% down with whatever it is doing
06:10 PM roycroft: i guess i'll find out if it did what i want when i try to boot from the usb thumb drive
06:10 PM roycroft: which is actually one of those really tiny ones, so it's more like a usb pinkie drive
06:10 PM roycroft: pinkie toe, even
06:11 PM roycroft: meanwhile. carbon copy cloner is scribbling some stuff to my ssed
06:11 PM roycroft: ssd
06:11 PM roycroft: but again, i won't know if it did what i want until i try to boot from the ssd
06:15 PM _unreal_: just got back from that icecream place. it was rather amazing
06:15 PM _unreal_: https://goo.gl/maps/a2h2wrfEZ74mjLKM8
06:20 PM * roycroft attempts to boot from the flash drive
06:25 PM _unreal_: What did your poor flashdrive ever do to you, for you to boot it...
06:25 PM roycroft: it appears to wokr
06:25 PM roycroft: it offers me options to install windows, troubleshoot windows, and repair windows
06:25 PM roycroft: what a pain in the butt it was to get that sorted
06:26 PM Tom_L: for cloning i've been using win32diskimager lately
06:28 PM roycroft: i really just want to be able to reinstall on a fresh drive if necessary
06:28 PM Tom_L: err macrium reflect
06:29 PM Tom_L: it works well
06:29 PM roycroft: but i'm assuming that windows restore points work like snapshots
06:29 PM Tom_L: do they work?
06:29 PM roycroft: i.e. if i create a restore point before doing something scary, if the scary thing does not work i can go back to the restore point
06:29 PM roycroft: i don't know
06:29 PM roycroft: i'm going to test that before i do much else
06:30 PM unterhaus_: that's the way it's supposed to work, but I never knew anyone that did it
06:30 PM Tom_L: i've never used it
06:30 PM roycroft: i've been running windows in virtual machines for years
06:30 PM unterhaus_: it's pretty reliable and they can usually deal with a bad driver
06:30 PM roycroft: whenever i do something scary i create a snapshot from the hypervisor
06:30 PM roycroft: and restoring the snapshot works brilliantly
06:30 PM unterhaus_: I loved being able to do that
06:31 PM roycroft: but the point of this machine is to run windows on raw hardware, without even a hypervisor in the way
06:31 PM roycroft: because solidworks is stuipd
06:31 PM roycroft: stupid
06:31 PM unterhaus_: let's not be ableist
06:31 PM roycroft: and this seems to be the only way to work around its stupidity
06:32 PM unterhaus_: there is a reason they paid someone to make their logo look like a big "BS"
06:33 PM unterhaus_: what is that boomerang thing on top of the 'D' supposed to be anyway?
06:33 PM roycroft: i can have a machine with 36 cores and sw will use exactly one
06:33 PM Tom_L: what's the actual difference between cloning and imaging?
06:33 PM Tom_L: it's not greedy
06:33 PM roycroft: i don't know what those words mean in microsoftspeak
06:34 PM unterhaus_: yeah, SW learned me to buy the fastest computer absent any interest in the number of cores
06:34 PM unterhaus_: but not very many programs use more than one core
06:34 PM roycroft: but i think that imaging means it creates an os installer based on the version of windows you're using at the moment
06:34 PM roycroft: whereas cloning would be creating an exact copy of your machine's current configuration, including third-party apps, customizations, and user data
06:35 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:35 PM Tom_L: i generally use clone anyway
06:35 PM roycroft: and it might be nice to be able to clone the windows machine
06:35 PM roycroft: perhaps i'll give that a go once i get everything installed the way i want
06:35 PM roycroft: i'd need a big disk for that, of course, but that's ok
06:35 PM Tom_L: malcrum reflect does a fine job of that
06:35 PM Tom_L: and it's free
06:35 PM roycroft: i have a bunch of spart 3TB disks laying around
06:36 PM roycroft: i'll check that out - thanks
06:36 PM Tom_L: then you can use windows to change the partition size to use all the extra space the new drive has
06:37 PM Tom_L: sp/Macrium
06:39 PM roycroft: i don't need much storage on the windows machine
06:39 PM roycroft: enough for the apps
06:39 PM roycroft: and maybe 50GB for data
06:39 PM roycroft: i store my files on my nas
06:39 PM _unreal_: There the small cnc machine has now been setup back up
06:40 PM roycroft: who was asking me about neutrix jacks the other day?
06:40 PM roycroft: i'm thinking it was either unterhaus or bleepshop
06:41 PM roycroft: whoever it was, mine just arrived
06:41 PM roycroft: and they need a hole that is at least 23.36mm in diameter, and less than 26mm
06:44 PM XXCoder: nice video by blonihack
06:44 PM XXCoder: shes repairing her lathe
06:46 PM roycroft: yeah, i heard she was going to do that this week
06:46 PM roycroft: and i kind of figured she would anyway
06:46 PM roycroft: when she crashed it last week she said she'd have to fix it some time
06:46 PM roycroft: but my take on her is that she would feel compelled to fix it asap
06:47 PM XXCoder: yeah? cool its literally second video i watched from her lol
06:47 PM roycroft: i've been watching her channel for years
06:47 PM roycroft: saturday night is abom79 and blondihacks night
06:48 PM roycroft: and dave stanton's live show is on right now
06:48 PM roycroft: i usually watch that when i'm around
06:50 PM XXCoder: I watched nilered, and he made miliary grade stink gas
06:50 PM XXCoder: he can barely smell it, while his team reacts really fast to stink
06:50 PM XXCoder: ummm... lol
06:51 PM XXCoder: he was only one able to get nose fully in jar
06:51 PM roycroft: maybe he has covid-19
06:51 PM XXCoder: rest can barely open lid
06:51 PM XXCoder: likely I think
06:52 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_eYLWLsWPg
06:52 PM XXCoder: honestly that channel used to be so much better
07:22 PM roycroft: well, i just created another restore point on the windows machine, deleted an app, and then told it to roll back to the restore point
07:22 PM roycroft: it will be interesting to see how long that takes, and if it actually works
07:26 PM unterhaus_: roycroft, you don't have the link to the jacks you bought, do you?
07:26 PM unterhaus_: got mine today and it was only one, for not a good price
07:26 PM roycroft: one moment
07:27 PM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/183457255221
07:27 PM unterhaus_: plugs, actually
07:27 PM roycroft: they have 2 packs and six packs left
07:27 PM roycroft: oh
07:27 PM roycroft: i have not received the jacks yet
07:27 PM roycroft: but i can get that linnk
07:27 PM roycroft: er, the plugs
07:27 PM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/152363679635
07:27 PM unterhaus_: yeah, didn't get the jacks yet, but I got six
07:28 PM unterhaus_: I had so many tabs open I probably just bought from the wrong one :)
07:28 PM roycroft: the restore is done
07:28 PM roycroft: and the app is back
07:29 PM roycroft: the restore points do not store documents - just the os and apps
07:29 PM roycroft: that's good to know
07:29 PM Tom_L: i feel that's about as reliable as floppy backups were
07:29 PM roycroft: my gitlab server will handle the documents, of course
07:30 PM Tom_L: but then i've never used a restore point
07:30 PM roycroft: they should be reliable
07:31 PM unterhaus_: thanks for the link, just ordered more. Now I'll have a spare because Tom_L told me I needed one
07:31 PM roycroft: uri tuchmann just made some sausages
07:31 PM roycroft: out of aluminium rod
07:32 PM roycroft: anyway, once i get nfs enabled on the windows machine i should be ready to start installing software
07:32 PM roycroft: i need to install my cloud server client as well
07:33 PM roycroft: and probably see if there's a usable git client for windows that has lfs support
07:34 PM roycroft: there is supposedly a fairly complete linux userland that is part of windows now
07:34 PM roycroft: i should probably see about installing/activating/whatever that as well
07:36 PM Tom_L: heh unterhaus_
07:36 PM roycroft: i cannot find a 23.5mm chassis punch
07:36 PM roycroft: i think i'll have to get a 15/16" one
07:37 PM roycroft: or just use a step drill (eew)
08:07 PM unterhaus_: I wonder what that material blondiehacks used for that way cover
08:07 PM unterhaus_: huh, she made a video about it
08:09 PM roycroft: yes, she did
08:10 PM Tom_L: link?
08:10 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuytv1XYKo
08:12 PM Tom_L: hahaha she charges for membership
08:12 PM Tom_L: no thanks
08:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what kind of club is this? :)
08:13 PM roycroft: what?
08:13 PM roycroft: you don't have to pay to watch the video
08:13 PM Tom_L: click on the link
08:14 PM Tom_L: you can likely buy that acordion cloth
08:14 PM Tom_L: ruberized
08:14 PM unterhaus_: I clicked on the link and it went to utube video about the way covers
08:14 PM XXCoder: very long of amazon links
08:14 PM roycroft: yes
08:14 PM unterhaus_: yeah, it's from mcmaster carr
08:14 PM XXCoder: *list
08:14 PM unterhaus_: flat bellows https://www.mcmaster.com/way-cover-materials/
08:14 PM Tom_L: https://www.patreon.com/QuinnDunki
08:14 PM Tom_L: that link
08:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://dynatect.com/product/protective-covers/roll-up-covers/shade-roller/ down the page for a list
08:15 PM roycroft: oh, that's the whole point of patreon
08:15 PM Tom_L: not for me
08:15 PM unterhaus_: don't most people like her have a patreon?
08:15 PM roycroft: her minimum buyin is $3/month, though
08:15 PM Tom_L: unterhaus_, i used neoprene sheet on mine
08:15 PM roycroft: i support a lot of folks on youtube, at $1/month each
08:16 PM unterhaus_: I tried using neoprene on my mill and it ripped right away
08:16 PM XXCoder: most channels have patreon lately
08:16 PM Tom_L: where did it rip?
08:17 PM unterhaus_: it ripped at the column because it didn't like wrapping around and then being pulled forward
08:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://dynatect.com/categories/protective-covers/bellows/
08:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Goralon
08:17 PM Tom_L: unterhaus_, i used 2 pieces there
08:17 PM Tom_L: one attached to Y and one on Z
08:17 PM Tom_L: the one on Z is only attached at the top
08:17 PM unterhaus_: I did it the way bridgeport did and they steered me wrong
08:18 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Bearing_Bracket/Bearing_Bracket6.jpg
08:18 PM unterhaus_: Cap'n, those roll up covers cost $450 each at mcmaster
08:18 PM roycroft: no they didn't
08:18 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Bearing_Bracket/Bearing_Bracket4.jpg
08:18 PM Tom_L: i did add those bearings so it wouldn't catch on the end of the rail
08:18 PM roycroft: you just did not follow their path and buy the neoprene from them for 5x the normal cost
08:18 PM unterhaus_: mine ripped at the column
08:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: you can DIY them
08:19 PM unterhaus_: the simple ones I have seen hold the rubber straight at the column, because there isn't much reason to wrap around it
08:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.andrewroberts.com/high-performance-fabrics/
08:20 PM unterhaus_: I think I will probably use some rubber on the x axis instead of the fixed sliding way covers that came stock
08:20 PM unterhaus_: the fixed ones take up an extra foot on either side of the mill
08:21 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/spindle_cooler/Mill3.jpg
08:21 PM Tom_L: the one on Z just hangs there
08:21 PM Tom_L: Y is attached on both ends
08:21 PM Tom_L: avoids that bunch up you mentioned
08:21 PM unterhaus_: yeah, your column is flat, the problem is a BP is round
08:21 PM Tom_L: make a bracket?
08:22 PM unterhaus_: it's on the list
08:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.colmant-coated-fabrics.com/our-products/coated-fabrics/polyester/fkm-vitton-coated-polyester-fabric/
08:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://americanrubberproducts.com/rubber-coated-fabric/
08:22 PM unterhaus_: the bellows way covers at mcmaster say don't use on a series 2
08:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.kurwarubber.com/rubber-sheets-and-coated-fabrics.html
08:24 PM unterhaus_: yeah, mcmaster has rubber coated nylon fabric
08:24 PM unterhaus_: 60 inches wide by your choice of lengths
08:24 PM unterhaus_: I just used rubber sheets because that's what it came with
08:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: low cost and easy to replace
08:25 PM unterhaus_: I have plenty more of it
08:25 PM unterhaus_: Mostly just have to do a better job of cutting the holes, I think
08:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i have gotten quotes on SS way covers for a single machine that were ~$10k
08:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i told them that it would double the cost of the machine to use their covers
08:26 PM unterhaus_: I recall that the covers on the mill at work were quite expensive when the machinist did something dangerous and they needed to be fixed
08:27 PM unterhaus_: I don't know if you can get the wipers for the original x coverst
08:27 PM unterhaus_: I thought about making some out of leather
08:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://youtu.be/6_PLnInsh7E?t=188 was similar? :)
08:27 PM Tom_L: where's sam's yt channel?
08:28 PM Tom_L: i was sure i had it marked
08:28 PM Tom_L: he did kindof a unique one
08:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he changed the channel name IIRC
08:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogUdjX3zerY
08:30 PM Bleepshop: unterhaus_: How big is the biggest part you need to cover?
08:31 PM Bleepshop: I've used these in the past with great results when they'd fit over the parts. https://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2821&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SC%20-%20Shock%20Absorbers(BSC)%20(B)&utm_term=1100100665991&utm_content=Shopping%20Ads%20-%20Shocks
08:33 PM unterhaus_: series II bridgeport milling machine is quite large
08:33 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ4O84y_gpY
08:33 PM unterhaus_: but the ways might be only 50% bigger than a series 1
08:34 PM unterhaus_: Tom_L, that's pretty clever, but did he keep it?
08:34 PM Tom_L: afik
08:34 PM unterhaus_: I think I'm going to make the rubber sheet work
08:34 PM roycroft: tom_l: youtube have made it almost impossible for content providers to make money there any more
08:35 PM roycroft: they have increased the number of ads and keep almost all the revenue
08:35 PM roycroft: so the content providers have had to rely more on sponsorship and, increasingly, patreon, to make money
08:35 PM Tom_L: greedy bastards
08:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: shower curtain, wading pool and dry suit with goggles??
08:37 PM roycroft: well, youtube is owned by google now
08:37 PM roycroft: so yes
08:37 PM roycroft: greedy bastards
08:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: watching YouTube without an ad blocker is like watch UHF TV late at night
08:39 PM Tom_L: yeah maybe that's why i don't notice so much
08:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and now back to our commercials
08:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: almost nostalgic
08:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i haven't had cable, sat or over the air TV in 12 years
08:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm shocked and recall my youth whenever I am in front a TV
08:41 PM roycroft: i haven't had any pay tv services for a long time
08:42 PM unterhaus_: through some sort of shady business, I have premium
08:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I do catch an internet TV stream every now and then
08:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that reminds me, is there any service that has replays of the Olympics games?
08:44 PM roycroft: i don't know
08:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'd like to see some of the not aired on US TV games
08:44 PM roycroft: i'm sadly not watching them this time
08:44 PM roycroft: because i think they should have been postponed
08:44 PM roycroft: and because they should not be held in china
08:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I saw a few minutes of USA vs Russia women's hockey
08:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: would like to see the wholegame
08:45 PM roycroft: i'm sure you can find a place that will take your money and show you what you want to see
08:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.nbcolympics.com/replays requires a login
08:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but we only have business internet
08:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah Peacock for $5/mo
09:16 PM Bleepshop: unterhaus_: You can do this kind of stuff with a sealing iron and a ruler if you have hte patience foor it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKG0H41KoaE
09:19 PM Bleepshop: It's the same process to rebuild the bellows on an old Kodak folding camera just on a less pain in the butt scale. LOL
09:30 PM CloudEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjh63pll0VM
09:30 PM CloudEvil: Custom guarding on the Hardinge HLVH
09:30 PM CloudEvil: 'I cover the use of neoprene diaphragm sheet material to make way covers on the Hardinge HLVH lathe and other machines. Also cover aspects to consider on mounting digital readout scales.
09:35 PM CloudEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfcU_cWs1Dg Also, similar video
09:42 PM roycroft: well my imac booted off the ssd, and it's already faster than the internal drive, even though the ssd is on a usb2 bus
09:42 PM roycroft: it should be wicked fast when i install it inside the machine
09:44 PM roycroft: now to install sw on the new windows machine and see if that works better
09:44 PM Tom_L: ssd make a substantial difference over rust for sure
09:44 PM roycroft: yes
09:45 PM roycroft: and the internal disk is 5400rpm and it's starting to fail
09:48 PM CloudEvil: Tom_L: I have in the past swapped over 802.11b and it made things faster.
09:48 PM CloudEvil: (to a ramdisk versus local disk)
09:50 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Win10 going from a 7200RPM drive to a cheap SSD. Boot time to desktop was 83 seconds with the spinny rust and dropped to 13 seconds with the SSD. LOL
09:51 PM CloudEvil: (802.11b is one megabyte per second, but if your swaps are under 32K or so on a 30 seeks/sec disk)
09:54 PM * Bleepshop muses "Hmmm... So that's what a CloudEvil looks like..."
09:57 PM * Bleepshop drools thinking about the Lego looking Precision Spindles.
10:07 PM Bleepshop: CloudEvil: Love the toolrom spindles. I need to build or buy a dividing head to work with my old Logan lathe myself.
10:07 PM CloudEvil: They are pretty.
10:11 PM Bleepshop: I also need to find a motor to fit the old Craftsman benchtop drill press so I have a reason to finish the magnetic base for it. I ended up with a stack of 300lb pull door holders and I want to hang at least 3 if not 4 of them on a new base for it. http://thai.genset-dieselgenerator.com/photo/pc15198246-locktronix_300_lbs_electric_magnetic_lock.jpg
10:15 PM _unreal_: got a little further.
10:15 PM _unreal_: wish I could work on finishing the machine but I have to get this room in order just so I can even start to do that
10:15 PM _unreal_: sigh
10:15 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Second base this date? ;D
10:16 PM _unreal_: 11pm
10:16 PM _unreal_: regardless I'm trying to find places for everything
10:16 PM _unreal_: and get stuff plugged back in etc...
10:16 PM _unreal_: just got my little cnc machine plugged back in
10:17 PM _unreal_: the big one "" moves "" but I have not setup the computer and control box yet. no place still. trying to find places for everything
10:17 PM _unreal_: what I hate is finding a good place for stuff only to decide that its better for something else and have to relocate and on and on
10:20 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: That's why I'm moving the electrical panel, electronics, coolant tank and some other bits into the base of the table on slides for easy access.
10:22 PM Bleepshop: I've got ~32cu/ft [4x4x2] of dead space under there at the moment that I'll only use ~1/3 of with the rebuild.
10:37 PM _unreal_: you got tons of space then. I got none
10:56 PM roycroft: at least you're not having to build two machines into one
11:47 PM perry_j1987: g'evening