Feb 01 2022
01:46 AM Deejay: moin
04:36 AM nimnil: Any thoughts on a problem I have:
04:36 AM nimnil: We have a leadwell machine with fanuc controller. It has behaved for decades.
04:37 AM nimnil: but suddenly X moves in the wrong direction. But only in programs. Jogging the axis moves it the correct way
04:39 AM mrec_: You loaded some wrong g-code?
04:39 AM mrec_: well "wrong" .. some settings are somewhat persistent
04:40 AM nimnil: No. We even tried manually writing a program. And its not behaving. :)
04:40 AM Loetmichel: eh, is it possible that you set a "persistent" plane change?
04:40 AM Loetmichel: i know you can rotate the coordinate system with gcodes
04:40 AM mrec_: that's what I think
04:41 AM Loetmichel: maybe the fanuc saves that?
04:47 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:47 AM mrec_: I did that last time too with linuxcnc for some special part.
04:47 AM mrec_: and it won't go back unless you change it back explicitly
04:47 AM Loetmichel: <- did it once just because i managed to flip a part while exporting from the cad and was to lazy to redo the gcode postprocessing
04:47 AM mrec_: that's exactly the same reason here.
04:47 AM Loetmichel: and also noticed that its persistent until you undo it
04:47 AM Loetmichel: at least in linuxCNC
04:47 AM Loetmichel: maybe in fanuc, too?
04:47 AM XXCoder: whats gcode to cancel coord transformation?
04:47 AM nimnil: there is M61 and M71. One is to mirror X axis and one is to undo it
04:47 AM Loetmichel: cant remember. g90.0 or something?
04:47 AM XXCoder: might be able to just do manual entry pon that
04:47 AM mrec_: is anyone using one of those chinese 30k rpm/1.5-2.2kw spindles?
04:47 AM Loetmichel: i am using the 800W 24krpm thing
04:47 AM Loetmichel: basically a smaller version of the 1.5kw one
04:47 AM Loetmichel: and watercooled
04:47 AM mrec_: what's the diameter of that spindle?
04:47 AM Loetmichel: 80mm iirc
04:47 AM Loetmichel: moment
04:49 AM XXCoder: your machine looks same as mine besides from size of bed and gantry lol
04:49 AM XXCoder: I really want to setup and run it :(
04:49 AM Loetmichel: its a simple CNC 6040
04:49 AM Loetmichel: nothing fancy
04:49 AM XXCoder: yeah so are mine
04:50 AM XXCoder: bought it in 2016
04:51 AM mrec_: https://weiss-machine.en.made-in-china.com/product/BZLxuoAvbpWz/China-Mini-Milling-and-Drilling-Machine-Vm18L.html
04:51 AM mrec_: that's mine
04:51 AM XXCoder: surpising cheap
04:51 AM XXCoder: you added cnc system to it?
04:51 AM mrec_: that one is 750$ not 1170
04:51 AM mrec_: of course
04:51 AM nimnil: XXCoder: tried both, nothing happened.
04:52 AM XXCoder: how strong and rigid is it? can cut steel?
04:52 AM XXCoder: nimnil: drat :(
04:52 AM mrec_: https://snipboard.io/rpcTDa.jpg
04:53 AM XXCoder: very long nem43 with encoder?
04:53 AM mrec_: yes it can cut steel but of course it has limitations
04:53 AM XXCoder: or servos?
04:53 AM mrec_: nema23
04:53 AM mrec_: servos
04:53 AM mrec_: they perfectly match the machine
04:53 AM XXCoder: nice
04:54 AM mrec_: I'm cutting a lot aluminium 2k2 rpm is just too slow for me
04:54 AM mrec_: I'm cutting 11.5mm parts.. the cutting depth is also 11.5 (at once)
04:55 AM XXCoder: cool :)
04:55 AM mrec_: I think I'm doing a service on the spindle every few weeks I'm still figuring out how to fix it properly there's a bad lockscrew inside which holds the needle bearings
04:56 AM mrec_: but I'd prefer to remove that spindle to increase the speed.
04:57 AM mrec_: it's a perfect first machine, I did many things wrong at the beginning but that machine forgives everything
04:59 AM XXCoder: nice
05:01 AM mrec_: the leadscrews are changed to ballscrews of course. bbl
05:05 AM XXCoder: nimnil: maybe can read manual see if have anything else on reversing an axis or flipping
05:05 AM nimnil: XXCoder: yes. We did try that first actually. :) But for sure I can dive down deeper.
05:05 AM XXCoder: ok
05:08 AM Tom_L: morning
05:11 AM Vq: Good afternoon
05:15 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:15 AM XXCoder: heys
07:22 AM JT-Cave: hmm what do you call the green connectors on a mesa board?
07:33 AM perry_j1987: phoenix connector makes ones like that
07:33 AM perry_j1987: terminal blocks
07:33 AM JT-Cave: thanks
07:40 AM enleth: JT-Cave: the specific name is pluggable terminal block
07:40 AM JT-Cave: found them
07:56 AM unterhaus: there are knockoff terminal blocks that work okay
07:57 AM JT-Cave: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095NPVKLD
08:50 AM unterhaus: JT it wouldn't surprise me if those were knockoffs
09:28 AM unterhaus: XXCoder, I'm getting crummy prints on the MP printer, any thoughts?
09:28 AM unterhaus: it's apparently an early one because it has the problem with the bed wiring getting worn on the belt
09:57 AM unterhaus: shop drywall project has definitely entered the "looks good from upstairs" stage
09:58 AM Loetmichel: *snicker* Car rentals. reserved a compact car this morning. got to the station: "sorry, none here. All i can give you is a transporter..." $me"OK, as long as it has a roof and 4 wheels i am fine with that" (Nice car management systen on your website then btw) ... this evening i got a phonecall:"Can you hold on to the transporter another day? the car you OUGHT to have is delayed another day."
09:58 AM Loetmichel: $me:"sure, i actually like driving it. its not that bad."
10:00 AM unterhaus: is a transporter what we call a van?
10:01 AM Loetmichel: yeah, renault van
10:01 AM Loetmichel: size of a mercedes sprinter
10:02 AM unterhaus: I was just looking at sprinters
10:03 AM unterhaus: internet says they start at $36k usd, but I think you have to pedal it
10:03 AM Loetmichel: probably
10:03 AM Loetmichel: the smallest engine for sprinters is around 80hp IIRC
10:04 AM Loetmichel: thats basically barely enough to get them rolling if empty
10:06 AM unterhaus: I guess that's why all the van life folks buy one of the 'murican ones
10:07 AM Loetmichel: oh, you CAN buy them with ~300hp... and unlimited speed. you just dont want to pay that much ;)
10:07 AM perry_j1987: it would be fun to have a camper van setup
10:08 AM Loetmichel: Sprinters have their name for a reason
10:08 AM unterhaus: my wife wants an RV, I would like something useful
10:08 AM Loetmichel: i have seen some drive on the autobahn with 180kph
10:08 AM Loetmichel: dont try that "empty" though
10:09 AM unterhaus: yeah, go to new york city if you want to see a sprinter drive at 50mph over the speed limit in heavy traffic
10:09 AM unterhaus: usually the high end hotel passenger vans
10:10 AM Loetmichel: to get a little jab in: i would feel safer in a sprinter at 50mph over the speed limit than in a van with "american" suspension AT the speed limit.
10:10 AM Loetmichel: ... honestly
10:11 AM unterhaus: as a mercedes stock owner, I second this idea. Even if it's a bit misguided
10:12 AM unterhaus: I bought Chrysler stock, mercedes bought chrysler, then gave chrysler away. But I ended up with their stock
10:13 AM Loetmichel: it wasnt about stock options though
10:13 AM unterhaus: more people that buy mercedes the better, I say
10:14 AM Loetmichel: i just know the "usual" american suspension and i HAVE driven both sprinters and american cars on german autobahns. high speed isnt what american cars a re made for
10:14 AM unterhaus: generally not
10:15 AM unterhaus: I had a fork that was great as fast as you could go, which was about 130mph
10:15 AM unterhaus: ford
10:15 AM unterhaus: miss that car, don't miss going to the gas station
10:15 AM Loetmichel: my wife once drove her american boss from frankfurt flughafen to the company a few 100 km away.
10:16 AM unterhaus: I wouldn't be driving my sprinter/clone at high speeds though
10:16 AM Loetmichel: ... in a very small but high "mini suv" (opel meriva)... the moment the boss saw the blue signs he said "oh, autobahn. show me what this little car can do!"
10:17 AM Loetmichel: ... she obliged. 15 minutes at 200++kph in meduim traffic he was white as a sheet and clutched the overhead handle with both hands :)
10:19 AM unterhaus: I rented a car when I was there and it was mildly amusing to go as fast as I could
10:19 AM unterhaus: but it was a cheap Ford
10:19 AM Loetmichel: unterhaus: point was that a mercedes sprinter that is properly loaded on the rear axle can do 180kph safely.
10:20 AM Loetmichel: i wouldnt try in a renault though ;)
10:20 AM unterhaus: if I'm running from bandits I might need that
10:20 AM Loetmichel: or any other car NOT made for german autobahns
10:20 AM unterhaus: you never know, they might detune the suspension for Americans
10:21 AM unterhaus: crummy roads
10:23 AM unterhaus: my wife said she was going to buy a winnebago, so the search for sprinters is on
10:23 AM unterhaus: if you want to talk about a vehicle that's scary at highway speeds
10:34 AM roycroft: what about driving a vw bus with underinflated passenger tires over a bridge?
10:37 AM perry_j1987: fastest i've been is about 133mph
10:38 AM perry_j1987: in a 79 280zx datsun... those get "lifty" feeling at those speeds
10:38 AM roycroft: i'm not a fan of fast driving
10:38 AM Loetmichel: unterhaus: never had the "pleasure" of driving a winnebago but i think i can imagine
10:38 AM perry_j1987: same
10:39 AM roycroft: which is good, because fast cars are usually expensive
10:40 AM Loetmichel: perry_j1987: i live in germany. I drive to my sisters every sunday for the last two months in a BMW convertible. Most of the distance at over 200kph (where there is no speed limit). i am used to driving FAST
10:40 AM Loetmichel: and i like it
10:40 AM perry_j1987: try it in a 79 datsun
10:40 AM perry_j1987: lol
10:40 AM Loetmichel: yeah, no thanks
10:41 AM Loetmichel: i'll stay with german made cars for german roads :)
10:42 AM perry_j1987: we got a whole lot more road to pave over here
10:42 AM perry_j1987: just gotta get it done some times haha
10:49 AM roycroft: the problem is not that we have a lot more road to pave, but that our politicians don't want to pay for the maintenance
10:49 AM unterhaus: when I was driving in Germany, there weren't too many roads where I could actually go fast
10:49 AM unterhaus: much younger then, I was disappointed
10:50 AM internut_: what's fast?
10:50 AM roycroft: i drove in germany back when there was no speed limit on the autobahns
10:50 AM roycroft: i remember once going from germany to france
10:51 AM roycroft: we were on the autoroute, and iirc (it's been 40+ years), the speed limit was 160
10:51 AM internut_: I drove a 2-lane country road from Santa Fe to Denver and you had to go 95 MPH to 'keep up with traffic'
10:51 AM roycroft: we drove past a french cop with a radar gun
10:51 AM roycroft: but the cop was in a vw beetle
10:51 AM internut_: 160 KPH?
10:52 AM roycroft: first, why would the french use a vw for their chase vehicles, instead of, say a renault?
10:52 AM roycroft: second, if we were speeding, we'd be in luxembourg before that cop could even get up to the speed limit in that beetle, *if* it could ever get up to the speed limit
10:53 AM roycroft: maybe an opal cadet would have been a good vehicle for the cop
10:53 AM roycroft: er, kadett
10:54 AM roycroft: i think opal had a factory in france in the '70s
10:54 AM perry_j1987: maybe it was herbie
10:54 AM perry_j1987: herbie could catch up :)
10:55 AM roycroft: well the fact that it was a german car was more of a surprise than that it was a slow car
10:55 AM roycroft: the french are very nationalistic, and proud of their heritage, even when the cars they make are crap
10:56 AM roycroft: i also recall that the road quality of the autoroute was not nearly as good as the german autobahns
10:56 AM roycroft: it wasn't falling apart like our roads are
10:57 AM roycroft: but certainly not as smooth, and the curves were not banked at all
11:16 AM perry_j1987: man i got a ton of cam work today
11:17 AM unterhaus: I'm curious about peugeots, they seemed like they were put together fairly well
11:18 AM unterhaus: when I saw them I thought the insignia looked familiar, took me a while to remember what it was
11:26 AM perry_j1987: could i use this gecko 320 servo step/dir driver and a servo as a spindle motor for this mini lathe projecT?
11:27 AM perry_j1987: be able to use the headstock or positional work as well as regular turning
11:38 AM unterhaus: I don't see why not. Speed and power would be my concerns
11:39 AM unterhaus: people do step/dir spindles, apparently
11:39 AM roycroft: my sander is out for delivery
11:39 AM roycroft: this will be my sixth festool sander, but it's actually the first one i wanted to buy
11:39 AM roycroft: so i'll be pretty happy when it's finally here
11:48 AM unterhaus: roycroft did you get your neutrik connectors?
11:49 AM unterhaus: I have a chassis punch, I wonder if it's the right size
11:50 AM roycroft: i ordered them
11:50 AM perry_j1987: was planning on having all these plates made today so i can start bolting it up but now im kinda feeling like i should wait till i got ballscrews in hand to make sure everything matches my cad model heh
11:51 AM roycroft: the plugs have shipped, but the jacks hav enot
11:51 AM roycroft: i should have them in a week or so, i should imagine
11:51 AM roycroft: i have several chassis punches
11:52 AM roycroft: i'd guess the jacks need either 16mm or 18mm holes
11:52 AM roycroft: i have an 18mm chassis punch, but i'm not sure about 16mm
12:00 PM unterhaus: I was thinking I would just use a step drill since there are din plugs mounted in the case now
12:01 PM unterhaus: only reason I have the case is because it was a stepper controller I got cheap, but it was too difficult to use
12:04 PM unterhaus: thought for a moment about just using the din plugs, then decided against it
12:11 PM roycroft: hmm, the drawings i've found don't show the knock-out hole size, but it looks more like 22mm than 16mm or 18mm
12:13 PM roycroft: which would be fine, as i have a 22mm punch
12:13 PM JT-Cave: gotta make sure my diesel cans are full today... rest of the week will be nasty winter mix, sleet, snow and rain
12:17 PM XXCoder: unterhaus: good question, yeah its not best, but what you mean by crummy prints?
12:25 PM roycroft: unterhausen: the jacks have a d-size flange
12:26 PM roycroft: i have square din cutout dimensions, but i'm not finding the flange sizes
12:26 PM roycroft: i'm pretty sure that 22mm will work
12:35 PM unterhaus: XXCoder, they are spongy, even with "normal" settings
12:36 PM unterhaus: actually, I bumped up the settings to "fine" and that was a bit spongy. I d/l the files that came with the printer and I'm going to see how they come out
12:36 PM XXCoder: according to google usually means extruder is stripped or broken and cant grip filament hard enough
12:37 PM XXCoder: or too low temperate
12:37 PM unterhaus: I was wondering if it was nozzle related
12:38 PM XXCoder: was it clicking when you was printing?
12:38 PM unterhaus: no, only noise was steppers
12:39 PM XXCoder: hmm your extruder isnt having trouble pushing though, but could be slipping
12:40 PM XXCoder: so likely hotend assembly is fine
12:40 PM XXCoder: extruder might be worn or broke, or maybe just need to be adjusted and tightened a bit
12:41 PM unterhaus: that's on top of the column, right?
12:42 PM unterhaus: thought about swapping hotends, but it looks like that requires good 3d printed parts
12:42 PM XXCoder: your hotend should be still fine
12:42 PM XXCoder: and yeah, its part that pushes filament to hotend
12:48 PM unterhaus: did you find out about the extruder problem for the mp mini, or just generically
12:48 PM XXCoder: it can be a problem for plastic extruders unfortunately
12:49 PM XXCoder: expecially if its been high usage machine
12:49 PM XXCoder: try rotate tighten bolt one time see if print improves
12:52 PM XXCoder: first look around extruder if any plastic there is cracked
12:53 PM roycroft: have you calibrated your extruder?
12:56 PM unterhaus: no, I didn't know I had to calibrate, just saw the instructions
12:57 PM XXCoder: roycroft: MP printers tend to be well configured out of box
12:57 PM XXCoder: I didnt have to do anything for mine, thats why I'm suspecting wear on his extruder
12:57 PM XXCoder: but then its used, last owner might have misconfigured
12:57 PM unterhaus: other than a little damage on the build plate, it looks unused
12:58 PM unterhaus: but I'll check the extruder, have to go downstairs
12:59 PM roycroft: well i would do a calibration test
01:00 PM roycroft: if the extruder is slipping the test will confirm that
01:00 PM XXCoder: yeah, that could also show failure to move enough
01:01 PM unterhaus: no obvious problems with the extruder, if it's broken it's a hidden part
01:01 PM roycroft: first you have to determine whether you're extruding at the rate you think you are
01:02 PM roycroft: if so, then that's not the problem
01:02 PM roycroft: if not, then you have to figure out why
01:02 PM unterhaus: do I have to take the bowden tube off?
01:02 PM XXCoder: yeah, its easy enough to do
01:02 PM roycroft: yes, remove the bowden tube at the extruder side
01:03 PM roycroft: make a reference mark on your filament
01:03 PM roycroft: tell the machine to extrude 1m of filament
01:03 PM XXCoder: roycroft: I usually prefer outside method
01:03 PM roycroft: then measure
01:03 PM XXCoder: just extrude some out, then cut it right at extruder output
01:03 PM XXCoder: easier to measure
01:03 PM roycroft: that works too
01:03 PM roycroft: you can mark it or cut it
01:03 PM unterhaus: no adjustment for the tension, btw
01:04 PM XXCoder: ouch.
01:05 PM XXCoder: ok try press lever, does it give you resistance?
01:05 PM * Tom_L converts his mig to a filament feeder
01:05 PM XXCoder: while there, look at teeth on extruder see if uts still has teeth in groove, or is worn, gone, or is clogged by plastic dust
01:08 PM unterhaus: it takes a decent amount of pressure to move the arm, so I guess it's not that
01:08 PM unterhaus: I feel like I would have to dissemble it to see the teeth, I think I will try calibration first
01:09 PM XXCoder: you should be able to see it though spring
01:09 PM XXCoder: I hecked mine to make sure
01:09 PM unterhaus: I wish I knew they were so cheap when I just ordered from amazon
01:10 PM unterhaus: although many reviews on the $7 say not to buy
01:22 PM unterhaus: couldn't thread the filament without the bowden tube in there, so I had to put it partly back in
01:23 PM unterhaus: press to connect fittings kept it from threading
01:26 PM unterhaus: XXCoder, does the printer show the IP address if it's connected?
01:27 PM XXCoder: yeah
01:27 PM unterhaus: on the startup screen?
01:27 PM XXCoder: home screen in least
01:29 PM enleth: a friend is looking for a small desktop-sized CNC machine for prototyping, more along the lines of Pocket NC than Shapeoko, a mill rather than a router - any recommendations? I've seen a bunch of people mention they use machines of this size here, but I can't recall anyone or any brands specifically
01:30 PM andypugh: Why not Pocket-NC? It nearly uses LinuxCNC.
01:31 PM enleth: he's hoping there's something on the market that's maybe a bit less cool but also cheaper, and still useful
01:32 PM enleth: Pocket NC is not cheap
01:32 PM XXCoder: whats price range, and mill what material
01:33 PM enleth: aluminum and 304 stainless, price range of "Pocket NC or less"
01:33 PM enleth: as in, if there are no alternatives to Pocket NC, he's probably going to start saving up for that
01:34 PM XXCoder: https://weiss-machine.en.made-in-china.com/product/BZLxuoAvbpWz/China-Mini-Milling-and-Drilling-Machine-Vm18L.html
01:34 PM XXCoder: though not sure if 304 stainless is workable. hey mrec_ would that machine work for 304 stainless?
01:35 PM andypugh: Does he need 5-axis and TPC?
01:35 PM enleth: you mean that and a CNC conversion kit?
01:35 PM XXCoder: yeah
01:37 PM enleth: andypugh: I asked him if 3-axis with an accessory 4th is sufficient for what he's got in mind
01:37 PM enleth: we'll see
01:38 PM enleth: XXCoder: I'm pretty sure this is the exact same thing as Quinn Dunki uses, just a different brand sticker, and I *think* she got it to cut stainless too
01:38 PM XXCoder: cool :) well price seems decent enough if workable
01:43 PM enleth: does anyone other than Tormach actually make small modern CNC mills that cost less than a car?
01:43 PM enleth: Syil pretends to make "hobby" machines but I'm pretty sure they're way more expensive than Tormachs
01:51 PM perry_j1987: precision mathews and some random companies that make cnc kits and enclosures for them
01:51 PM perry_j1987: precision mathews has cnc kits for their 728vt and such now too
01:54 PM roycroft: there are a number of vendors who make "bolt on" cnc conversion kits for various popular bench mills such as precision matthews and grizzly offerings
01:54 PM roycroft: i don't know of any small, affordable turnkey cnc mills though
01:54 PM roycroft: tormach seems to be the entry level point for that
01:55 PM perry_j1987: aye
01:55 PM perry_j1987: plenty of cheap 2nd hand tormachs on marketplace
01:56 PM roycroft: when it started taking me a long time to get my mill conversion done, i considered getting a bolt on kit, but by that point the machine was old enough that nobody was making those kits for it any more
01:57 PM roycroft: it is lunch time
01:58 PM roycroft: i think i'll go clean up my new bandsaw table and see about installing it
02:15 PM unterhaus: I scanned through a utube where they guy was talking about cnc kits
02:15 PM unterhaus: he looked at a lot of options, one of them was lcnc with mesa. He talked about the limitations of the centroid
02:15 PM unterhaus: then he bought a centroid
02:16 PM unterhaus: centroid is local to me
02:17 PM perry_j1987: franko
04:08 PM unreal: so what did I miss?
04:09 PM unreal: and the sound of silence
04:10 PM perry_j1987: its quiet today
04:10 PM unreal: ve7it, guess what, I'm going to be bringing home the other BIG cnc machine SOON as I'm able to clear a space
04:14 PM unreal: perry_j1987, THE big cnc machine I was working on a last year and I'm briinging home. is the linuxcnc based one.
04:14 PM perry_j1987: what type
04:15 PM unreal: perry_j1987, was it you that was trying to get a pendent working?
04:15 PM unreal: or someone else?
04:15 PM unreal: the machine?
04:15 PM perry_j1987: hmm
04:15 PM unreal: perry_j1987, not the best photo but gives you an idea https://photos.app.goo.gl/tN22rbVT82TbdrRv7
04:16 PM perry_j1987: i've been known to try to get a pendant working once or twice lol
04:16 PM unreal: I have a 6 axis pendent
04:16 PM unreal: it will work native with machkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 3/4 but I will never use those. HATE them
04:16 PM unreal: wish it would work with planetcnc
04:17 PM unreal: the Z is the onlything that is not finished on that build.
04:17 PM perry_j1987: i have a wireless pendant sitting around since back when i ran mach3
04:17 PM unreal: when I get it here. That is the last thing Ineed to do.
04:18 PM unreal: I have a new computer I'm going to load lcnc onto just to see how it works
04:18 PM unreal: its an all in one screen type
04:18 PM unreal: got an AMD cpu and amd GPU
04:19 PM perry_j1987: might be nice
04:19 PM unreal: its dual core 1.5ghz though
04:20 PM unreal: the computer I have lcnc installed on and setup on is a tower with ??? maybe a 3ghz CORE2 DUO I believe
04:20 PM unreal: but I'd rather use an all in one display
04:21 PM perry_j1987: i run lcnc on some amd e350 mini itx boards heh
04:21 PM unreal: I have lcnc installed on a tinkerboard with REALLLLLLLY good lat.
04:21 PM unreal: problem is the fucking thing had bad problems with bootlooping
04:22 PM unreal: they all do
04:22 PM unreal: its so powerful but 90% of the time you have to unplug everything from it to get it to boot
04:22 PM unreal: once it boots its rock solid
04:22 PM unreal: makes making it embeded a joke
04:23 PM unreal: hence its been collecting dust
04:23 PM unreal: man I can feel it....
04:23 PM unreal: market is going to make a HUGE WTF soon
04:23 PM unreal: cant wait
04:24 PM Tom_L: never turn it off
04:25 PM unreal: funny you say that
04:25 PM unreal: I even purchased an RPI micro lithium battery back up UPS....
04:25 PM unreal: heh was not powerful enough to power it
04:26 PM unreal: it can drive an RPI for 3 hours 100% cpu use... but it wont keep the tinkerboard going for 3 seconds. too much current draw
04:26 PM unreal: the RPI I purchased was for being an emu station for games
04:27 PM unreal: I ended up putting it in that fiberglass shell for haha/
04:27 PM Tom_L: too power hungry for an embedded board
04:27 PM roycroft: use an rpi and mesa board to run your machine
04:29 PM unreal: Tom_L, thats its problem, its so power demanding that it trips its own onboard psu with over current on boot. which makes it require unplugging almost everything to get it just to post.
04:30 PM unreal: if it didnt have the power loss bootloop issue it would be an amazing system. I think they may have solved that in the latest version of it
04:30 PM unreal: regardless the one that I have makes the RPI3 look like a toy, when you compare them cpu/gpu wise
04:30 PM unreal: and mem
04:31 PM unreal: I have an other computer that I'm going to get in a few weeks that is an I something could be an i3, i5, i7 I dont know
04:31 PM unreal: but its one of those all in one monitor/computers again but it also has a touch screen and the display is huge like 22" or more
04:32 PM unreal: THAT I want to use to drive which ever machine I choose to use the planet cnc software
04:32 PM unreal: and controller
04:33 PM unreal: the mesa I'm using is the 7i96
04:33 PM unreal: the planetcnc controller is capable of 9axis or many other features.
04:34 PM unreal: also has a built in SDcard. but I dont currently have ANY plans CURRENTLY for repeat programs
04:38 PM roycroft: if you use stepper motors you don't need a sound card
04:39 PM roycroft: you can program linuxnc to have the motors make music for you
04:44 PM perry_j1987: lol
05:05 PM roycroft: well, i just got the last two minor issues ironed out on our bookkeeping system last week
05:05 PM roycroft: now it's this week
05:05 PM roycroft: and right on queue, my boss has decided to switch accounting software again
05:06 PM roycroft: and this time he's doing it right when it's time to start working on txes
05:06 PM roycroft: taxes
05:07 PM roycroft: it's so much fun working for someone with adhd
05:28 PM unterhaus: XXCoder, I think the teeth on the gear are wored out, they should be sharp, right?
05:28 PM XXCoder: should be olvious teeth yeah
05:29 PM XXCoder: if it looks all heavily rounded or just groove might need to replace ir
05:30 PM XXCoder: does your look like this https://gigdigit.com/extruder-gear-for-mp-select-mini-v1-v2-pro-v3-mini-delta-and-mp10s/
05:31 PM XXCoder: looked at mine, it does look like that on mine
05:31 PM XXCoder: 8 dollars on amazon. probably can find better deal if yours is shot https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Extruder-Replacement-Selective-Printers/dp/B07HFQ1Y3X
05:49 PM unterhaus: much more rounded, i already ordered a new extruder with the gear
05:52 PM XXCoder: nice :) yeah I felt it wasnt moving filament enough, since your discription I felt hotend is ok
05:53 PM roycroft: it could be the filament itself
05:53 PM roycroft: if you're using budget filament it may not be round, or it may be undersize
05:54 PM roycroft: i would measure the diameter in 2 or 3 places, and take two measurements, 90 degrees apart, at each place
05:54 PM XXCoder: roycroft: sure but if his extruder teeth is olviously shot its clearly that
05:54 PM roycroft: i didn't see about the extruder teeth being shot, sorry
05:55 PM roycroft: i just got back to the office, and only saw the tail end of the conversation
05:55 PM XXCoder: :) no problem
05:55 PM roycroft: measuring the filament is still not a bad idea
05:55 PM XXCoder: unterhaus: last owner probably printed with glow in dark filament or CF or metal fill
05:55 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:55 PM XXCoder: I'd never print those on mp select
05:55 PM roycroft: or ran welding wire through it :)
05:55 PM XXCoder: lol
05:56 PM roycroft: i can see someone doing that in an attempt to print metal
05:56 PM roycroft: the #1 rule of systems administration applies elsewhere as well: never overestimate the intelligence of the end user
05:58 PM XXCoder: lol
06:01 PM unreal: if the teeth are worn, what filiment are you using?
06:01 PM unreal: carbon nylon?
06:02 PM XXCoder: unreal: used machine
06:02 PM XXCoder: who knows
06:02 PM unreal: oh........
06:02 PM unreal: I have a spool of carbon but I have no plans to use it
06:02 PM XXCoder: I have TC nozzle on my prusa so it can print whatever
06:03 PM unreal: at least not till I swap tips to the new hardened steel one's I have
06:03 PM XXCoder: im sure evenually extruder gear will wear but easy enough to swap
06:03 PM unreal: well I feel better
06:03 PM unreal: shower and other...
06:03 PM roycroft: i still have to finish installing my new hot end
06:04 PM roycroft: i'm having trouble crimping the pinds on the jst connectors
06:04 PM roycroft: i don't have a proper crimp tool for those pins
06:04 PM roycroft: i may end up manually crimping as best i can and soldering the wires to the pins
06:05 PM roycroft: but i'll probably end up buying a proper crimp tool, and spending more unbudgeted money on tools
06:05 PM XXCoder: whats funny is you can buy precamped jst connectors with short length of wires so you could just solder em in and strunk wrap
06:05 PM roycroft: that hole has been getting deep lately, but not so deep that i'm going into debt or dipping into savings
06:06 PM XXCoder: costs more over long term than crimping tool
06:06 PM roycroft: yeah, i don't like doing that
06:06 PM roycroft: it makes for messing cables
06:06 PM roycroft: messy
06:06 PM roycroft: i'd rather do it properly
06:07 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:12 PM unreal: You have to have a JST crimp tool. I've spent many wasted hours in the past YEARS past. trying to crimp jst's with plyers. not worth it
06:13 PM unreal: $10 or less tool,
06:14 PM unreal: You do need to use ribbed needle nose plyers to curl over/make a circle with the tail end though. hard to crimp jst wires with out doing that. the wire likes to dance away when getting everything together.
06:16 PM roycroft: i tried my crimper for d-sub pins - folks say that works
06:16 PM roycroft: but it doesn't
06:17 PM roycroft: and yes, i know about pre-forming the wire retaining clips
06:18 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/IWISS-IWS-3220M-Connector-0-03-0-52mm²-Ratcheting/dp/B078WPT5M1
06:18 PM roycroft: i'm looking at that one currently
06:18 PM roycroft: it gets decent reviews, and costs <10% of what i usualy pay for a crimp tool
06:18 PM roycroft: so it's probably worth a go
06:20 PM roycroft: it leaves me a couple dollars short of free shipping, so i have to find something else to buy if i get that one
06:20 PM unreal: those look good
06:21 PM roycroft: those japanese mechanical pencils i just got are great - i can always add another one of those to my order
06:21 PM roycroft: it claims to properly crip jst pins
06:21 PM unreal: well if your going to get a JST crimper, may as well get an assorted box of jst's
06:21 PM roycroft: so if it doesn't i can send it back
06:21 PM roycroft: i already have a large assortment of jst connectors and pins
06:22 PM unreal: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc... JST row adapters
06:22 PM roycroft: yes, i have all of those
06:22 PM roycroft: male and female
06:22 PM unreal: well then find something else damn it
06:22 PM roycroft: it's just a proper crimp tool that i need
06:22 PM unreal: are there any parts for the new cnc you will need?
06:22 PM unreal: limits
06:22 PM unreal: wiring
06:22 PM unreal: couplers
06:23 PM roycroft: i'll get another of this, i think:
06:23 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017BDDZ7I?th=1
06:23 PM roycroft: and i recommend that to everyone
06:24 PM roycroft: every time you release pressure on the pencil, it retracts the lead a wee bit and rotates it
06:24 PM roycroft: so you're wearing it down evenly, and don't end up with a chisel-shaped point
06:24 PM unreal: hum
06:25 PM roycroft: i should say, it retracts the lead tip a wee bit
06:25 PM roycroft: not the lead itself
06:25 PM unreal: hum
06:25 PM unreal: this weekend I'll get some ambition and test my opto limit board
06:26 PM unreal: all I really have to do is give it power 5v, and find one of the limits plug it in and test it
06:26 PM unreal: see if anny one of the 6 LED's light up
06:26 PM unreal: its a HARDWARE level debounce for opto
06:27 PM roycroft: i do need a 10mm to 10mm coupler for my z axis motor, though
06:27 PM unreal: can adjust the level of reaction time
06:27 PM roycroft: thanks for the suggestion
06:27 PM unreal: I think of everything what can I say ;)
06:29 PM unreal: nothing like a pabst beer, the cant get drunk on EASY beer
06:32 PM roycroft: primo
06:32 PM roycroft: my rewards points just postd
06:33 PM roycroft: i have more than enough to buy this stuff
06:33 PM roycroft: and i'm still getting 4% rewards for a while
06:33 PM XXCoder: I just drink vodka. 0%/100% mix of vodka/water
06:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anyone seen the new grocery robots at Walmart?
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well vodka is typically 40-60% water anyway
06:35 PM roycroft: i've only been to a wal*mart once in my life
06:35 PM roycroft: and that was over 25 years ago
06:35 PM Tom_L: was it memorable?
06:36 PM roycroft: i rember that i went there
06:36 PM XXCoder: havent entered walmart for years, but not as long as roy evidently
06:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: interested to see what a large co like walmart has chosen for picking bots
06:36 PM roycroft: capthindsight: grain alcohol is the only acceptable beverage
06:36 PM roycroft: everything else may be fluorodated
06:36 PM roycroft: purity of essence, you know
06:37 PM roycroft: fluorodation is a communist plot
06:38 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], i did see a sweeper bot at sam's
06:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: giant Roomba?
06:39 PM Tom_L: i wasn't expecting it and looked up to see it coming right at me but it did finally make an avoidance turn
06:39 PM Tom_L: it did have a driver's seat
06:39 PM Tom_L: but no driver
06:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.roboticsbusinessreview.com/supply-chain/alert-innovation-teams-with-muratec-to-expand-alphabot-technology/
06:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: laundry basket with wheels
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the system “is the most capital-efficient and broadly scalable each picking technology ever developed.”
06:42 PM Tom_L: can it tell if the fruit is fresh?
06:42 PM Tom_L: does it check the date on the milk carton?
06:42 PM Tom_L: i think i'll stick to doing my own shopping
06:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but it's walmart fresh
06:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with walmart prices
06:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and that robot at the end of the video looks human
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I never even trusted Peapod
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i even grab the wrong carton sometimes
06:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: will surgical robots be retired in the future to process food?
06:46 PM roycroft: and when you go shopping at wal*mart you get to see this:
06:46 PM roycroft: https://www.peopleofwalmart.com
06:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "sorry Alphab07, yer days uh cuttin folks r dun, you'll be choppin brocolli from nows on"
06:48 PM XXCoder: roycroft: lol used to read that site once a while. stopped quite a while ago
06:49 PM roycroft: in fairness, wal*mart does not have a monopoly on trailer trash fashion, but it sure does seem to spotlight it
06:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's like havin a bit of Florida in your backyard
06:51 PM Tom_L: roycroft, he had that left over from his 60's hippy protest days :)
06:51 PM unterhaus: our walmart people are fine. I hesitate to go into the one in Harrisburg though
06:52 PM Tom_L: depends on the neighborhood they're in
06:53 PM Tom_L: even though they protested having one on our east side, you still see audi, merc, bmw etc in the lot all the time
06:54 PM Tom_L: they didn't want it but they're all about shopping there
06:55 PM unterhaus: I rarely shop there. I go to sam's though
06:55 PM Tom_L: same here for the most part
06:55 PM Tom_L: there is a shortage of food etc so we go where we can get what we need in a certain pecking order of course
06:55 PM unterhaus: the one in harrisburg isn't actually in a neighborhood, people have to drive there. Still a dump
06:56 PM unterhaus: only thing they didn't have at wegamans today was chex mix
06:56 PM unterhaus: chicken seems quite expensive, they didn't have any at sam's yesterday
06:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well after all that slacking off over some virus it's back to making profits
07:07 PM unterhaus: and they are all blaming raising wages, even if they didn't raise their wages. Weird how that happens
07:24 PM bdju: any thoughts on plasmacam cnc plasma tables? there's one at an auction. would linuxcnc work? it doesn't come with the computer
07:25 PM Tom_L: there are guys with plasma tables running linuxcnc
07:25 PM bdju: does brand not matter much?
07:26 PM Tom_L: dunno
07:26 PM Tom_L: i don't have one
07:27 PM Tom_L: i doubt it
07:33 PM XXCoder: most machines you can always replace controls with linuxcnc, though probably cost quite a bit in soem cases
08:32 PM roycroft: ups are late today
08:32 PM roycroft: i want to close up the shop for the day
08:32 PM Tom_L: well close up shop so they can show up late
08:33 PM roycroft: but i've been wanting this sander for so long there's no way i'm not going to check it out when it arrives
08:33 PM roycroft: if i close up the shop for the day they'll show up immediately after
08:33 PM roycroft: so i guess i should have done that a couple hours ago :)
08:34 PM XXCoder: close shop then go out and hide
08:34 PM XXCoder: as soon as they come, get package lol
08:34 PM roycroft: dinner is in the oven
08:34 PM roycroft: i'll just hang out and wait until it's done
08:35 PM roycroft: btw, the machine light i got for my bandsaw has gone down in price
08:35 PM roycroft: i highly recommend it
08:36 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09R6X1DKD/
08:36 PM roycroft: the mag base is shite
08:36 PM roycroft: but the goosneck just screws into it with a standard m8 thread
08:36 PM XXCoder: not surpised on base. I bought expensive one so it would be nice and strong
08:36 PM roycroft: i tossed the mag base and made a mounting plate for my saw
08:37 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of getting one for my lathe and one for my mill
08:37 PM XXCoder: that thing is very nice. too bad I dont need it LOL
08:37 PM roycroft: 1200 lumwna
08:37 PM Tom_L: i got mine from ikea for $5
08:37 PM roycroft: lumens, rather
08:37 PM roycroft: nice and bright
08:37 PM roycroft: i bought some cheap ikea ones
08:37 PM roycroft: and they do ok
08:37 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: can it be left inside machine with tons coolant?
08:37 PM XXCoder: I think that one can be
08:37 PM Tom_L: for what i do it's fine
08:37 PM roycroft: but they're nowhere near as powerful as this one
08:38 PM roycroft: you must not be as old and blind as me :)
08:38 PM Tom_L: i hung 4' leds over everything :)
08:38 PM roycroft: well i'm not pretending that light is ideal for everyone
08:39 PM roycroft: i just wanted to share that i really like it, and that it's gone down in price
08:39 PM Tom_L: no but it looks good for what it is
08:39 PM roycroft: i paid less than that for mine, actually, because it was a warehouse return that was marked down
08:39 PM roycroft: but they were about $90 when i got mine
08:39 PM roycroft: and i've been waiting for another warehouse return deal
08:42 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: including above 4' leds? ;)
08:44 PM roycroft: my garage shop has 9 4' double led fixtures and 2 4' quad led fixtures
08:44 PM roycroft: when i turn on the lights it's pretty bright in there
08:44 PM roycroft: but i still need machine lights
08:49 PM roycroft: *chuckle*
08:50 PM roycroft: some wacko congressman from texas, of course, but he could also be from arizona or florida, is claiming that justin trudeau has fled canada to the us because of the trucker protests in ottawa, and is demanding that he be deported
08:50 PM XXCoder: lol
08:50 PM roycroft: and after the prime minister held a live press conference IN CANADA this afternoon, the congressman doubled down
08:51 PM roycroft: chip roy
08:51 PM roycroft: moron of the day
08:52 PM roycroft: sorry, i'm trying not to do anything that might be seen as political commentary here any more
08:52 PM roycroft: but sometimes there is stupidity on a level that i just can't ignore
08:54 PM roycroft: anyway, tomorrow is imbolc, the beginning of spring, and i'm feeling really good about that
08:55 PM Tom_L: just as winter arrives here.... :)
08:55 PM roycroft: it's still cool here, but no sub-freezing temperatures for the next 10 days
08:56 PM roycroft: more than the temperature, though, it's the length of daylight that makes a big difference to me
08:56 PM roycroft: it will still be another month plus before it's light when i start work
08:57 PM roycroft: but there is light until almost 6pm now
08:57 PM roycroft: when not long ago it was dark well before 5
08:58 PM Tom_L: -15F windchills predicted next couple days
09:00 PM roycroft: that does not sound like fun at all
09:03 PM XXCoder: yeah that cold, my heat exchanger stops working and I would have to use other kind lol
10:10 PM roycroft: the sander sounds and feels a little crunchy
10:11 PM roycroft: i think i'm going to have to call festool and see what they think about it
10:11 PM roycroft: it does come with a warranty
10:12 PM perry_j1987: roycroft if you ordered from harbor freight you could just take it back in same day :P
10:12 PM roycroft: yes, but i like tools, not toys
10:12 PM perry_j1987: lol
10:13 PM Tom_L: you need to stop giving toys a bad name
10:14 PM roycroft: hf actually have some better quality power tools now
10:14 PM roycroft: but they also still have the useless junk
10:20 PM unreal: take it back in HEHE
10:20 PM unreal is now known as _unreal_
10:23 PM roycroft: i'll have go to check my smaller rotex
10:24 PM roycroft: i don't remember it being crunchy
10:56 PM perry_j1987: ever since the new fusion 360 update i cant run cam ops
10:56 PM perry_j1987: cam kernel quit unexpectedly it says
11:12 PM roycroft: i'd roll back
11:15 PM * Bleepshop reads a fortune cookie... "You will step on the soil of many countries."
11:15 PM XXCoder: that can be good or bad
11:15 PM Bleepshop: Which would be conistant with the neverending dust blowing through. LOL
11:16 PM XXCoder: lol
11:49 PM perry_j1987: yay fixed it