#linuxcnc Logs
Jan 19 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:54 AM Deejay: moin
05:04 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:04 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:04 AM Tom_L: morning
05:05 AM Tom_L: N wind picking up, temp dropping
05:07 AM JT-Cave: 46°F now and that's the high for today
05:14 AM Tom_L: 34°F
05:15 AM Tom_L: low 8°F
05:39 AM JT-Cave: I wasted 3 hours yesterday morning trying to get nginx to work only to figure out that firefox and prepended the url with https
07:02 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:41 AM Alicrow-phone: Does anyone know a good source for wires? I want to get some shielded twisted pair wires for the motors, but I can't seem to find anything of sufficient gauge on McMaster Carr.
09:43 AM perry_j1987: i've seen quite a few threads on forums with listings of wires
10:11 AM CloudEvil: JT-Cave: I have doodles for a baba-yaga hut with working legs.
10:11 AM CloudEvil: That is alas, somewhat of an involved project
10:22 AM roycroft: put it on casters, jt-cave :)
10:24 AM perry_j1987: JT-Cave https://d3hgq0oz43fepq.cloudfront.net/assets/files/1748/good-fast-cheap-pick-two.770x0.jpg
10:49 AM roycroft: i think his dilema is the choice between big, string, and light and easy to move
10:54 AM JT-Shop: well that project is put to bed and the shop is cleaned up so time to go to work
10:57 AM roycroft: i just won an auction for an old stanley 113 compass plane - i've been wanting one for years, and finally found a good one that i got for a decent price
11:03 AM JT-Shop: nice
11:04 AM JT-Shop: interesting plane
11:05 AM roycroft: perry_j1987: depending on what you need, i often find good deals on wire and cable on ebay
11:05 AM roycroft: if you're needing full spools, newark electronics is a good source
11:06 AM roycroft: they have 18g twisted pair cables, for example, both shielded and unshielded
11:06 AM roycroft: 18ga
11:07 AM roycroft: but i always check on ebay first - i usually find what i need there for a fraction of what i'd pay from a standard vendor
11:42 AM unterhausen: I always wanted a 113
11:43 AM unterhausen: there is an antique dealer here that has a couple, but he's very proud of them
11:44 AM roycroft: i won't use it much, but when i do, nothing else will do the job as well
11:44 AM unterhausen: I think he has a Kunz 113 for the same price
11:44 AM roycroft: i got an old one, but not and old old one
11:45 AM roycroft: the earliest ones look really cool, but they don't work that well - the adjuster is kind of funky
11:45 AM roycroft: the one i got is from the early 20th century, right after they added the bailey adjuster
11:45 AM unterhausen: kunz retail is $360
11:45 AM roycroft: i paid <$100, including shipping
11:46 AM unterhausen: yeah, that's about my level of interest
11:46 AM roycroft: i'll need to clean it up
11:46 AM roycroft: and if the blade and chip breaker are not in good shape, ron hock sells them
11:46 AM roycroft: the blade is the same as on a no. 3
11:46 AM roycroft: the chip breaker is unique, though, but ron makes them
11:47 AM roycroft: for $78 i can get an a2 cryo treated blade and chipbreaker from him
11:47 AM unterhausen: I just finally sharpened the blade on my 4 1/2 after almost 30 years of ownership
11:47 AM roycroft: but i'll see how what comes with the plane works
11:47 AM * roycroft hones his plane blades usually several times/day when he's using them
11:48 AM unterhausen: also used it for the first time'
11:48 AM roycroft: aah
11:48 AM roycroft: so it's the first time it's needed to be sharpened in 30 years
11:49 AM unterhausen: It might have worked as-is, it's a record
11:49 AM roycroft: most plane blades need sharpening even when brand new
11:49 AM unterhausen: only planes I use as-is are block planes
11:49 AM roycroft: i love my lie-nielsen planes, but when i get them the blades are not flat
11:49 AM roycroft: i usually have to spend about an hour flattening them the first time
11:50 AM roycroft: but once that's done it's done forever
11:50 AM unterhausen: I'm surprised that blue spruce was the first company to think about flattening a blade
11:50 AM roycroft: and yeah, i could use the ruler trick and do it in about a minute
11:50 AM unterhausen: in woodworking anyway
11:50 AM roycroft: but i don't like that idea for some reason
11:51 AM unterhausen: I did it on a chisel recently. I flattened it a long time ago, but it was getting beat up
11:51 AM roycroft: i just got some blue spruce paring chisels - i waited the better part of a year for them
11:51 AM unterhausen: I figure I will go through that edge sooner or later
11:52 AM roycroft: but they're the first once i've gotten from them since they started their optima treatment
11:52 AM roycroft: they were great
11:52 AM unterhausen: I want some, but $$$
11:52 AM unterhausen: might just get a 5/8
11:53 AM roycroft: the only edged tools i've ever bought where i did not have to even hone them
11:53 AM roycroft: they literally were as sharp as can be right out of the package
11:53 AM roycroft: and they are cryo treated now as well
11:53 AM unterhausen: I have bought used planes where they were honed
11:53 AM unterhausen: and chisels for that matter. It's nice
11:53 AM roycroft: i have 1/8, 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 3/4, and 1 inch blue spruce paring chisels
11:53 AM unterhausen: IIRC, the guy will do it for $10
11:53 AM roycroft: i may get a 1-1/2 inch
11:54 AM roycroft: i buy one or two at a time, as i can afford them
11:54 AM roycroft: their 12 week lead time helps me a lot
11:55 AM unterhausen: there's always something else. do I buy a chisel or a carbide boring bar
11:55 AM roycroft: it takes so long to get one i usually have the money for another one when it fially arrives
11:55 AM roycroft: and as i said, the last batch (i got two) took almost a year
11:55 AM roycroft: i ordered them a couple weeks before they announced the optima treatment
11:55 AM unterhausen: I think they mostly have stock now
11:55 AM roycroft: and they told me to wait and they would send optima chisels
11:55 AM roycroft: so i waited
11:55 AM roycroft: yeah, it took them a long time to roll them out
11:56 AM roycroft: but they're doing better now
11:56 AM roycroft: i was actually thinking about getting the 1-1/2" paring chisel if i did not win the no. 113 auction
11:56 AM roycroft: i'm still not sure about that though
11:57 AM roycroft: the 1" is a lot stiffer than the smaller ones
11:57 AM roycroft: and besides the extra length, the flex in a paring chisel i find really useful
11:57 AM roycroft: if i'm not going to have much flex in the 1-1/2" it may not be worth getting
11:59 AM unterhausen: I use my 1/2" paring chisel for guitars, but the other sizes have barely been touched
11:59 AM roycroft: i use all of mine, but the 1" the least of any
12:00 PM roycroft: i got the long handles on my paring chisels
12:00 PM roycroft: and they are very comfortable to use
12:00 PM roycroft: my bench chisels are sorby, with the octagonal boxwood handles
12:00 PM roycroft: my mortise chisels are also sorby
12:01 PM roycroft: i have a couple lie-nielsen bench chisels as well, for odd sizes that sorby don't make
12:02 PM unterhausen: huh, I might save $17 and get beech handles
12:03 PM unterhausen: I have sorby paring chisels, with the amorphous blob shaped handles
12:03 PM roycroft: i like my sorby chisels, and i have a lot of money invested in them, but i must say, i have to hone them far more often than any of my other chisels or plane blades
12:03 PM roycroft: i can get them wicked sharp, but they don't hold an edge for long
12:04 PM roycroft: sorby also require a lot of work to initially set up
12:04 PM unterhausen: that seems to be the consensus on sharpness vs sharpening
12:04 PM roycroft: they are factory ground, but not sharpened at all
12:05 PM roycroft: well, my lie-nielsen chisels i can get just as sharp as the sorbys, and they seem to hold an edge longer
12:05 PM roycroft: the paring chisels as well, but that's not really a fair comparison, as they get used differently to bench chisels
12:07 PM roycroft: the blue spruce chisels are cryo treated a2, as are the lie-nielsen ones
12:07 PM roycroft: sorby, i think, are o1
12:12 PM roycroft: cryo treatment of a2 is the key - it makes it more durable, and accomodates honing to a keener edge
12:13 PM roycroft: basically, cryo treated a2 can be honed almost as sharp as o1, doesn't crumble like untreated a2, and holds an edge way way longer than 01
12:13 PM roycroft: o1
01:26 PM JT-Shop: Missouri sent out an Emergency Alert yesterday...
01:26 PM JT-Shop: GOTHAM CITY MO PURPLE/GREEN 1978 DODGE 3700GT MO UKIDME
01:26 PM JT-Shop: they a while later they sent another one saying the first was not supposed to go out
01:36 PM XXCoder: lol sounds like message erver rather than proper test server
01:37 PM XXCoder: *sent to
01:41 PM roycroft: yeah, i read about that
01:41 PM roycroft: they called the batphone bymistake
01:44 PM XXCoder: lol
03:41 PM perry_j1987: gah
03:41 PM perry_j1987: just broke two endmills
03:42 PM perry_j1987: on the most unsuspecting op... i predrilled a hole and then helical bored in to a bigger size
03:55 PM JT-Shop: hmm a tracking label was created yesterday but fedex has not scanned in the package with the sorby chuck
03:57 PM perry_j1987: slowed things down and notice its JUMPING back a few tho randomly during the interpolation of the bore...
03:57 PM perry_j1987: thanks fusion 360
04:21 PM roycroft: i think i have my gantry clearances figured out finally
04:24 PM JT-Shop: that's why I just my counter bore program to generate g code
04:37 PM Tom_L: brrrr...
04:47 PM JT-Shop: next 3 nights in the low teens.. then a heat wave up to 20F
04:47 PM Tom_L: it's 23 but the wind makes it seem alot colder
04:47 PM Tom_L: been windy all day
04:51 PM JT-Shop: you can bet I'm not going to work on the copy lathe at Foxy tomorrow or Friday
04:52 PM roycroft: it's unseasonably warm here
04:52 PM roycroft: we'll see highs in the low teens over the next few days, while the normal high is 9
04:53 PM roycroft: so not too much out of range
04:54 PM roycroft: and it looks like we'll not get below freezing any time soon
04:54 PM XXCoder: roy yep
04:55 PM XXCoder: looks like fogs ended too
04:55 PM JT-Shop: but your teens are warmer than my teens lol
04:55 PM JT-Shop: Foxy has holes in the walls and no heat
04:56 PM JT-Shop: well Patrick plugged most of the holes during the last cold spell
04:56 PM roycroft: yes, i have much warmer teens
04:56 PM roycroft: you do too
04:56 PM roycroft: but you're using the wrong ones :)
05:18 PM JT-Shop: reminds me of the lyrics to The Word
05:25 PM roycroft: i have to say, for 2d sketching, autocad beats solidworks hands down
05:25 PM roycroft: simple things i can do in autocad are a pain in the butt in sw
05:25 PM JT-Shop: I agree
05:26 PM roycroft: i just found that solidworks won't let me create a fillet with a radius of 0
05:26 PM JT-Shop: it does not make sense to do that
05:26 PM roycroft: sure it does
05:27 PM roycroft: if you have a vertical line and a horizontal line and they do not intersect, that's the easiest way to join them together at 90 degrees
05:27 PM roycroft: something i do every day
05:28 PM JT-Shop: that would be an extend in libra cad
05:28 PM roycroft: with sw it's real fiddly to do that
05:28 PM roycroft: i have to create construction lines
05:28 PM roycroft: create a point where they intersect
05:28 PM roycroft: then merge the endpoints of the lines with the intersection point
05:28 PM JT-Shop: you just need to mate them
05:29 PM roycroft: when i could just do a 0 radius fillet and be done with it faster than i can describe it
05:29 PM roycroft: i'm getting pretty good at a lot of 3d operations that always took me a long time before
05:29 PM roycroft: but sketching is still frustrating
05:30 PM roycroft: and doing the sketches in autocad and then importing them doesn't work as well as one would like
05:31 PM roycroft: maybe there are solidworks sketching tricks that i'll learn eventually, but most sw tutorials pretty much skim over sketching and go right on to modeling
05:43 PM Tom_L: 0 radius fillet should be an error
05:44 PM Tom_L: sw sketch isn't as friendly as catia for sure
05:44 PM Tom_L: imo
06:12 PM JT-Cave: in SW you make a part or assembly and do File > Make drawing from Part or Assembly
06:49 PM roycroft: why should it be an error?
06:51 PM roycroft: so i have a very preliminary drawing of part of the gantry now
06:52 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/CNC-Router/Main-Assembly-Preliminary-1.jpeg
06:52 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/CNC-Router/Main-Assembly-Preliminary-2.jpeg
06:52 PM roycroft: the gantry sides will be torsion boxes
06:52 PM roycroft: i only have the inner side drawn so far
06:53 PM roycroft: and it's too far out from the top - i need to fix that
06:53 PM roycroft: but that's how my linear rails and bearings are set up
06:53 PM roycroft: i can mount the ball screws on the sides of the extrusions
06:53 PM roycroft: is there anything inherently horrible about what i've done so far?
07:00 PM Tom_L: because an arc with a zero radius isn't an arc
07:01 PM Tom_L: that imo would be considered a point
07:01 PM roycroft: and i'm trying to get the two lines to converge at that point
07:02 PM Tom_L: so do a trim
07:02 PM Tom_L: or extend
07:02 PM roycroft: it may be a slight stretch of the definition of a fillet
07:02 PM roycroft: a trim won't work unless the lines cross
07:02 PM Tom_L: that varies among cad packages
07:02 PM roycroft: i don't know if sw has an extend feature
07:02 PM roycroft: i'll check
07:02 PM Tom_L: it better if trim doesn't do it
07:03 PM Tom_L: those are basic features
07:03 PM roycroft: i'm walking out the door right now
07:03 PM Tom_L: buy
07:03 PM roycroft: i'll check on an extend feature later this evening
07:03 PM roycroft: because i'm going to need to do that again tonight
07:03 PM Tom_L: i may look too
07:03 PM Tom_L: but the sw on this pc is very old
07:04 PM Tom_L: should still be there
07:04 PM roycroft: i am hoping to have all the basic components of my router modeled by tomorrow
07:04 PM roycroft: without the ball screws or motors
07:04 PM roycroft: all the linear rails and structural components
07:04 PM roycroft: an extend feature in sketches will make that much more possible
07:06 PM Tom_L: on the Sketch toolbar, or click Tools > Sketch Tools > Extend. Move the pointer over the sketch entity to extend.
07:07 PM Tom_L: works like a treat!
07:08 PM Tom_L: i'm also guessing you could put that tool bar on the workbench somewhere
07:24 PM Tom_L: extend isn't as smart as the one in catia though
07:25 PM Tom_L: ie if both lines are too short it will extend them both. sw says it can't
07:25 PM Tom_L: at least this old version won't
07:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/extend.jpg
07:27 PM Tom_L: sw won't extend both, catia will
07:30 PM Tom_L: however if the target line is extended then it will
07:30 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/extend1.jpg
07:34 PM Tom_L: roycroft, if it is not on your sketch toolbar you can add it
09:44 PM skunkworks: Peter! https://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3937.JPG
09:46 PM XXCoder: bunch of people smiling and one not paing attention heh
09:47 PM pcw--home: Wow, how long ago was that?
09:47 PM skunkworks: Lol - 2013
09:47 PM skunkworks: Boy - working on 10 years ago
09:49 PM skunkworks: I wonder how john is doing.
09:54 PM skunkworks: wonder what the joke was.. https://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3906.JPG
09:55 PM skunkworks: lol - I guess we were sending the accupins quadature at wichita.. https://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3897.JPG
09:59 PM skunkworks: Hmm - was that the year machinekit forked?
10:00 PM skunkworks: I think it was - big discussions on hal https://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3805.JPG
10:05 PM skunkworks: A ton of smarts standing around there...
10:09 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, fork.. yes
10:09 PM skunkworks: I am pretty sure I have a picture of CaptHindsight[m] too..
10:11 PM Tom_L: got you all reminiscing again ehh?
10:16 PM roycroft: so solidworks does have an extend entity function, but it does not work at all like a 0 radius fillet
10:16 PM roycroft: it can only extend to another line that is already in its path
10:16 PM roycroft: it cannot join two lines, neither of which crosses the path of the other
10:17 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: was looking for pictures of the wiring and got side tracked..
10:17 PM roycroft: it is semi-useful at best
10:18 PM roycroft: it's good to know that it's there, though
10:18 PM roycroft: for some things it will save time
10:19 PM roycroft: i wonder if sw can even do normal fillets where the lines do not intersect
10:19 PM roycroft: yes, it can at least do that
10:23 PM Tom_L: catia's extend is part of trim and is rather smart
10:24 PM roycroft: sw's apparently isn't
10:24 PM Tom_L: no, i tried i a bit ago
10:24 PM roycroft: it is part of trim in sw
10:24 PM roycroft: but it's really crude to the point of being almost useless
10:24 PM Bleepshop|2: roycroft: Are these fillets grilled or breaded and fried ? ;D
10:25 PM Tom_L: it has 2 icons where catia has one for both
10:25 PM roycroft: they are sliced and diced
10:25 PM Bleepshop|2: Sorry, been hauling ass, working all day and my stomach is doing the thinking.
10:25 PM roycroft: it's hard to believe that sw doesn't support this
10:25 PM roycroft: it's not like it's something unusual
10:25 PM roycroft: it's a very common operation
10:26 PM Tom_L: however i was taught to do the fillets in the solid not the sketch
10:26 PM roycroft: and that brings me to the other thing
10:27 PM roycroft: i can't figure out how to do a fillet in an assembly
10:27 PM roycroft: which is another thing that i should think would be pretty commonly done
10:27 PM roycroft: but there are reasons to do fillets in sketches and reasons to do them in solids
10:28 PM Bleepshop|2: roycroft: You trying to model laying in a weld or what?
10:28 PM roycroft: i'm modeling my cnc router
10:28 PM roycroft: ok, here's a good example of doing a fillet on an assembly
10:28 PM roycroft: see the rough model of part of the router i posted earlier
10:28 PM Bleepshop|2: So... Any fillet in a part should be there from the 2D on up.
10:29 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/CNC-Router/Main-Assembly-Preliminary-1.jpeg
10:29 PM Tom_L: Bleepshop|2, nope
10:29 PM Bleepshop|2 is now known as Bleepshop
10:29 PM roycroft: so that's an assembly
10:29 PM roycroft: it's an assembly of assemblies, actually
10:29 PM roycroft: my cnc router is also going to be a conventional router table
10:29 PM roycroft: that model shows the table top
10:29 PM Bleepshop: Assemblies Assemble! LOL
10:29 PM roycroft: the center part will be mdf with plastic laminate
10:30 PM roycroft: it will be surrounded by some ash edge bands
10:30 PM Bleepshop: OK. With you so far.
10:30 PM roycroft: so there's a central core that is wrapped with four edge boards
10:30 PM roycroft: after i make that i want to round over the corners
10:30 PM roycroft: because it's not fun to walk into a sharp corner
10:30 PM roycroft: i want to fillet the corners of the assembly
10:31 PM Tom_L: the perimeter of the ash?
10:31 PM roycroft: yes
10:31 PM roycroft: i can't find a way to do that with sw
10:31 PM Tom_L: why not do it in that part?
10:31 PM roycroft: because it would be a lot harder to do
10:31 PM roycroft: it would not be a fillet
10:32 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: Exactly
10:32 PM roycroft: it would be a quarter circle that i have to draw on the part
10:32 PM roycroft: finding the center of the circle
10:32 PM roycroft: etc.
10:32 PM roycroft: it would be a semi-involved operation
10:32 PM Bleepshop: Roedy: No, it would be radiusing a mitered corner at that point.
10:32 PM Tom_L: that is a good example of doing the fillet in the solid not the sketch
10:32 PM roycroft: it would be just as much of a hassle to do it in the solid
10:33 PM Tom_L: i don't think so
10:33 PM Tom_L: but i haven't tried that in sw
10:33 PM Tom_L: it's a simple matter in catia
10:33 PM roycroft: they are not butt joints
10:33 PM roycroft: they are 45 degree miter joints
10:33 PM Tom_L: ok?
10:33 PM Bleepshop: It''s a simple matter in blender or freecad IIRC.
10:33 PM roycroft: i'm not talking about filleting the top and the side
10:33 PM roycroft: i'm talking about side to side
10:34 PM Tom_L: you said the perimeter
10:34 PM roycroft: yes
10:34 PM roycroft: the edge perimeter
10:34 PM Tom_L: so pick the edges and fillet them
10:34 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: SAme effect as running a 1/2 rollover bit in a router?
10:34 PM Tom_L: Bleepshop, yes
10:34 PM roycroft: no
10:34 PM roycroft: that would be top to side
10:34 PM Tom_L: i guess i don't get what you want then
10:34 PM roycroft: it's the same as using a jigsaw resting on the top
10:35 PM Bleepshop: I do that in the sketch. That's what grid/snap are gfor. LOL
10:35 PM roycroft: rounding the corners vertically
10:35 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: That's a cutting board finish to me. every edge goes past the bit.
10:36 PM Tom_L: you can't do it the way you drew it. if you wanted those corners rounded you should make that frame one piece in the model
10:36 PM Tom_L: even though you're making it from 4
10:37 PM roycroft: it's four piecec of wood
10:37 PM Tom_L: otherwise you'll end up with 2 bumps on the corner
10:37 PM roycroft: i should be able to model the parts as the actual parts are
10:37 PM Bleepshop: Make the 4 pieces and group them at least. Then when you change the 2D the changes should propagate up to 3D.
10:37 PM Tom_L: that or pick the faces and try to fillet those
10:37 PM roycroft: i should be able to model it the same way i make it
10:38 PM Tom_L: instead of the edge
10:38 PM roycroft: i've tried several ways to do it
10:38 PM roycroft: i don't think it can be done
10:38 PM roycroft: not in an assembly
10:38 PM roycroft: there are assembly fillets, but not involving multiple parts
10:39 PM roycroft: and please understand, i'm not here trying to trash solidworks
10:39 PM roycroft: i want to figure out how it works
10:39 PM Tom_L: in a way that would be illegal because if you went back to the part and changed it the fillet would not be accurate
10:39 PM roycroft: but some stuff that seems like it should just work really doesn't
10:39 PM Tom_L: if it were earlier i'd try it
10:40 PM roycroft: i'll do some more research on it
10:40 PM roycroft: it's getting a bit late here, too
10:40 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure any cad would handle that
10:40 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: I don't have SW but I was taught that the drawings dictated the shape of the final part and not the other way round. ;D
10:41 PM roycroft: bleepshop: there are many things i can do in assemblies that drill back down to the drawings
10:41 PM roycroft: and when i do an assembly operation that changes the individual parts, when i save or exit, it asks me if i want to save the modified parts as well
10:41 PM Bleepshop: Same here, but I'd still drop back to 2D to get those corners knocked off.
10:42 PM roycroft: it's a *lot* harder
10:42 PM roycroft: but i may have to do that if i can't figure out another way
10:42 PM roycroft: the deal is this:
10:42 PM roycroft: if i fillet two lines that intersect at a 45 degree angle it's going to be different than a fillet at 90 degrees
10:43 PM roycroft: i'd have to draw the part as a rectangle, do the fillet, then add the 45 degree miter line, and trim the fillet and other lines
10:43 PM Bleepshop: Over-radius your corners slightly to get the grd snap to drop you on the 45.
10:43 PM roycroft: because what i'm effectively doing if i do on the part level is a "half fillet"
10:43 PM roycroft: not a normal fillet
10:44 PM roycroft: and while that's not hard to do with a 45 degree miter, it's tedius
10:44 PM roycroft: but what if my angle is 124 degrees, not 90 degrees?
10:44 PM roycroft: it gets a lot tricker then
10:44 PM Bleepshop: I routinely go to +/-1 of a corner which is >1 but the parts look right and fit right. LOL
10:45 PM * roycroft thinks there has to be a way to do this, and is willing to put the project on hold for a bit while he researches further
10:46 PM roycroft: but disregarding this
10:46 PM roycroft: let's go back to what you were mentioning earlier
10:46 PM * Tom_L decides to go to sleep
10:46 PM roycroft: what if i need to model a weld fillet?
10:46 PM Tom_L: isn't there a weldements tool bar?
10:46 PM roycroft: but i don't want to join the twe parts
10:47 PM roycroft: it can do a lot of that kind of stuff, but i don't know how to translate that to what i'm doing
10:47 PM roycroft: nor if it can even model all weld fillets
10:48 PM roycroft: if i convert the assembly to a part i can do a model fillet
10:48 PM roycroft: but then i lose my individual part information
10:49 PM roycroft: maybe i can do a sketch on the top of the assembly, draw four arcs, and do an extruded cut through the assembly
10:49 PM roycroft: which is essentially the same thing as a fillet
10:50 PM * roycroft will do some reading and give it another go later tonight or tomorrow
10:57 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Yeah, yeah... You just want an excuse to go peruse the Robo-Sutra again... ;D
10:58 PM roycroft: i just want to learn how to use this software well
11:09 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Just remember. Plug A goes in socket B. And Socket C and D if you're really persuasive. LOL