#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 31 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
03:00 AM Deejay: moin
03:54 AM t4nk_freenode: 'lo 'bro
04:53 AM * t4nk_freenode does some head-scratching
04:53 AM t4nk_freenode: :|
04:54 AM t4nk_freenode: I guess the non-shielded stuff caught up on me last night after all
04:55 AM t4nk_freenode: though I really think switching on the psu to my spindle should cause my monitor to shut down
04:55 AM t4nk_freenode: eun
04:55 AM t4nk_freenode: euhhh
04:55 AM t4nk_freenode: should not
04:56 AM t4nk_freenode: ought not to, rather
04:57 AM XXCoder: well other possible reason is not enough power supply
04:57 AM XXCoder: I had spindle and rest of machine and computer on seperate plugs due to that before
04:57 AM t4nk_freenode: there's a bunch of stuff connected to one outlet, though it's well beneath the specs
04:58 AM t4nk_freenode: it got worse when I moved the spindle to a different outlet... if I do really have that in my house
04:58 AM XXCoder: hmm though it does spike as it turns on or spins up
05:17 AM t4nk_freenode: I'll try running another cable to the spindle, avoiding the drag chain
05:18 AM t4nk_freenode: after I mop the bathroom floor ;)
06:06 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:08 AM Tom_L: morning
06:08 AM Tom_L: still mild out this morning
06:08 AM JT-Cave: same here but tomorrow night the cold begins
06:09 AM Tom_L: yeah i think so
06:09 AM JT-Cave: thinking about some heat for the hens
06:10 AM Tom_L: can't use a heat lamp cause that would keep them awake?
06:10 AM JT-Cave: I have some of those ceramic black ones for reptile tanks that only give off heat... somewhere
06:11 AM JT-Cave: I also have some red ones
06:11 AM Tom_L: oh.. i bet i got just the thing... some metal heater bars like 25 40w
06:12 AM Tom_L: range from ~18" to 4'
06:13 AM JT-Cave: you can't heat the coop because it's ventilated to let the moisture from breathing and pooping out
06:13 AM JT-Cave: just need radiant heat from above so their combs don't get frostbite
06:14 AM JT-Cave: I had one last year get frostbite
06:14 AM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/LOCKDOWN-1071006-Lockdown-Dehumidifier-Rod/dp/B004QUDTZI/ref=sr_1_11?crid=6BU2WVV7V3MT&keywords=dampp+chaser+heater+bar&qid=1640951911&sprefix=dampp+chaser+heater+bar%2Caps%2C105&sr=8-11
06:14 AM Tom_L: like that
06:15 AM Tom_L: you can mount them just about anywhere
06:16 AM JT-Cave: https://www.amazon.com/Simple-Deluxe-Infrared-Amphibian-Incubating/dp/B07KLZCDQH
06:17 AM JT-Cave: I have a couple of those somewhere
06:17 AM Tom_L: yeah
06:17 AM Tom_L: these don't put off alot of heat but more even warm
06:18 AM JT-Cave: https://www.amazon.com/Woods-Clamp-Lamp-Reflector-Guard/dp/B003XV8QOU
06:18 AM JT-Cave: and a bunch of those
06:19 AM JT-Cave: the problem with chickens is they don't like change at all
06:19 AM Tom_L: they probably don't like frostbite either
06:21 AM JT-Cave: the old coop has two reflectors hanging in the center with led lights now but they are not over the roosts :(
06:22 AM JT-Cave: in Coop Deux the roost bar is 10' long...
06:25 AM JT-Cave: just reading the heat bar and they only have a few watts so would not do anything in a coop
06:25 AM Tom_L: i wondered about that
06:25 AM Tom_L: the biggest one is 40w
06:25 AM Tom_L: they're more for dehumidifying
06:29 AM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/Dampp-Chaser-Dampp-Chaser-Storage-DeHumidifier/dp/B004998VYU/ref=sr_1_2
06:29 AM Tom_L: another brand, same thing
06:31 AM JT-Cave: interesting none show the wattage
06:31 AM Tom_L: the ones i get are between 18 and 40w depending on the length
06:32 AM Tom_L: err 25w on the 18" one
06:32 AM CloudEvil: JT-Cave: air-air heat exchangers are a thing. Also, ground tubes.
06:32 AM CloudEvil: (for heating passively)
06:35 AM Tom_L: they get warm to touch
06:35 AM Tom_L: if there is a draft i doubt they would do much
06:36 AM JT-Cave: what ever I do has to be with what I have on hand or can get locally Sunday night is 16°F
06:37 AM Tom_L: yeah, even if i sent you some they wouldn't get there in time
06:37 AM Tom_L: i tried an overnight recently that took 4 days
06:37 AM Tom_L: fedex wouldn't offer any compensation either
06:38 AM JT-Cave: yeah shipping is still a mess sometimes
06:39 AM Tom_L: i get these from pulls from time to time and may have 3-4 out there now, not sure
06:58 AM CloudEvil: Tom_L: To be fair, how could they possibly know it would have been new-years.
06:58 AM CloudEvil: err, xmas, even
08:27 AM robinsz: so, the question is .. do I feel up to the mental challenge of configuring this XHC handwheel ...
08:29 AM robinsz: whats really irritating is in crappy Mach3/4 it just works ... its a real pain in EMC, even the published hal code in the manual is wrong
08:29 AM robinsz: we should do better than this.
08:30 AM JT-Cave: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues
08:32 AM robinsz: I'll try and get a working config first
08:32 AM robinsz: then post it as a solution
08:33 AM robinsz: if I understood Andy Pugh correctly ... pncconf has configured the HAL without an insertion point for the XHC controller
08:33 AM robinsz: it not only needs to pick up various signals, but it needs to add (logical OR) some of its outputs to some HAL pins
08:34 AM robinsz: and those OR gates don't exist in the standard PNC config of HAL
08:36 AM robinsz: so the task is basically make pncconf spit out HAL files that have the insertion points waiting for the XHC pendant (or some other pendant) and then a HAL file for the XHC (or whatever) that picks up those signals etc
08:41 AM Loetmichel: ouch. I think i read too much. Just clicked accidentally on "reading statistics" in kindle... 2021: read 223 books. *cough* :)
09:10 AM robinsz: Is there a visualistion tool for HAL so you can see how stuff is wired up?
09:11 AM robinsz: working with netlists is a pain, like trying to modify a circuitboard, but only with the netlist, not the schematic.
09:34 AM roycroft: i am officially done with work for the year
09:35 AM Tom_L: you quit????
09:35 AM Tom_L: :)
09:35 AM roycroft: no, i just finished everything
09:50 AM jdh: I have to finish my review
09:55 AM JT-Shop: robinsz, at some point you have to drop pncconf and edit the hal files yourself
10:13 AM robinsz: yeah, eventually, but not until I have to.
10:13 AM robinsz: if you consider the HAL netlist like the netlist for a PCB
10:13 AM Tom_L: well now you have to :)
10:14 AM robinsz: the problem is it has been "made" without a socket to plug the mpg/pendant into
10:14 AM Tom_L: pncconf can't account for every cenario
10:14 AM robinsz: there is no good reason why those points should not be there, ready for the pendant/mpg/xhc to pick up
10:15 AM robinsz: Tom_L, of course, but surely "a handwheel" is one of the scenarios that shoudl be catered for out of the box
10:15 AM Tom_L: my pendant is different than yours by quite a bit i dare say
10:16 AM robinsz: matters not
10:16 AM Tom_L: does matter
10:16 AM robinsz: no, it really doesn't
10:16 AM * Tom_L can't wait to hear this explanation
10:17 AM robinsz: you just make a suitable set of connection points available in HAL to cater for the common options, the pendant hal picks them up
10:19 AM robinsz: my pendant hal would use the whb04 stufff and pick up the net points, yours woudl use some other driver and connect to the same hal signals
10:20 AM robinsz: its not rocket science
10:20 AM Tom_L: mine would use no driver
10:21 AM roycroft: there are many types of mpgs
10:21 AM Tom_L: that's my point
10:21 AM robinsz: and?
10:21 AM Tom_L: you can't account for every single one
10:21 AM roycroft: it's not rocket science, but hal is also not a magician
10:21 AM Tom_L: just like you can't account for every single vfd
10:21 AM roycroft: you have to tell hal what you have
10:21 AM Tom_L: and the list goes on
10:21 AM robinsz: no,
10:22 AM Tom_L: it's not a point to be argued. it's a fact
10:22 AM robinsz: you are wrong. It just needs a common set of connection points and then you implement a suitable hookup between those points and your mpg in a hal file
10:22 AM roycroft: some of the commercial pendants come with hal configuration files
10:22 AM robinsz: Mach3/4 can do this out of the box, thats also a fact
10:23 AM Tom_L: mach doesn't have near the capabilities of linuxcnc either
10:23 AM Tom_L: and i doubt my pendant would connect to it either out of the box
10:23 AM roycroft: that's the point
10:23 AM roycroft: mach will have some canned configurations for common pendants
10:24 AM robinsz: surely the commonest pendant is XHC 04/06
10:24 AM roycroft: if you have one of those pendants it will work fine out of the box
10:24 AM robinsz: yet the sample config in the manual doesn't even nearly work
10:24 AM Tom_L: mine uses a db25 (sry roy) to connect
10:24 AM roycroft: if you roll your own it's not going to work
10:24 AM roycroft: no, that is correct
10:24 AM Tom_L: not usb or sserial or spi or any other possible way
10:24 AM roycroft: a 25-pin d-sub connector is size b
10:24 AM roycroft: it's the one case where "db-" is correct
10:25 AM * Tom_L feels the new year luck kicking in early
10:25 AM robinsz: its just frustrating that I can use Mach3/4 with a XHC pendant easily, and to use it with LinuxCNC is going to need deep diving into HAL code and I just don't have a week to waste on this
10:25 AM Tom_L: maybe that's what you should do then
10:25 AM robinsz: its beginning to look that way
10:25 AM roycroft: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
10:26 AM roycroft: merry christmas
10:26 AM robinsz: 20 years ago we discussed perhaps making the config use the same units for various timing values
10:26 AM robinsz: 20 years later ... no progress
10:27 AM roycroft: it appears to me that it should take you about 2 minutes to make it work
10:27 AM roycroft: not 2 weeks
10:27 AM Tom_L: it's a volunteer effort so feel free
10:28 AM roycroft: since the hal config for that pendant is bundled with linuxcnc already
10:29 AM robinsz: I spent months trying to improve stuff many years ago, there is an intertia that is hard to overcome
10:30 AM robinsz: back in pre-sherline days
10:31 AM robinsz: I assume sherline moved off onto something else eventually?
10:31 AM * roycroft senses a greater interest in complaining than in making things work :)
10:32 AM t4nk_freenode: THAT'S NOT TRUE MAN
10:32 AM t4nk_freenode: you always SAY THAT
10:32 AM t4nk_freenode: I hate it!
10:32 AM * Tom_L goes on about his day
10:32 AM robinsz: I'll have another go over the weekend, this really should not be that hard.
10:33 AM roycroft: did you look at the link i posted?
10:33 AM roycroft: it appears that it's all right there
10:34 AM t4nk_freenode: I haven't been reading along though... /me needs a break
10:34 AM t4nk_freenode: I think I can put away the spare tmc drivers now.. false alarm ;)
10:35 AM t4nk_freenode: my god, everything is still in shambles here
10:35 AM t4nk_freenode: coffee anyone?
10:36 AM * roycroft just finished his cappuccino, and is set for caffeine for the year
10:36 AM t4nk_freenode: ... youknow, now I'm wondering.. I found it sooo odd that one of the y-steppers would go berserk when it wasn't even close to the danger zone
10:37 AM t4nk_freenode: hehe... I think I've messed up some of the connections to my stm32 board when I was fiddling around with the limit switches
10:37 AM t4nk_freenode: left the step pin in intermittent contact
10:37 AM t4nk_freenode: that'll help.
10:39 AM * t4nk_freenode boldly turns on his spindle again, though keeps at least one nostril wide open
10:40 AM robinsz: I remember getting the XHC pendant working with my router, maybe I'll drive to work and get the configs, see if I can work out the clues.
10:51 AM Rab: I implemented an OpenXHC pendant a couple of years ago, using the link roycroft posted as a starting point for configuring LCNC. I don't remember anything from the process, so it couldn't have been too hard...
10:52 AM Rab: But the pendant works great.
10:52 AM robinsz: I have an older pendant on the router at work, works kinda good
10:53 AM robinsz: the XHC04 I think it is at work, this is an XHC06
10:53 AM robinsz: there is a config for it in the manual, but it doesn't even nearly work
10:54 AM roycroft: i haven't even thought much about a pendant for my router
10:54 AM roycroft: i should think that it's not as useful to have one for a router vs. a mill or lathe
10:54 AM Rab: I had installed LCNC from packages, and I might have needed to install the "Dev" package to get some component. But that might have been for a different hardware peripheral.
10:54 AM roycroft: but i have kept a usb port available should i want to add one
10:54 AM robinsz: just a long list of conflicts with other HAL pins/signals/nets
10:55 AM robinsz: maybe the XHC04 will be easier, I could just go and get that, it might be less frustrating
10:56 AM Rab: I realize "worked for me, apparently" is the opposite of help. Also OpenXHC only implements HB03/HB04 devices, and seems to be old and unmaintained. So newer hardware might be problematic.
10:57 AM robinsz: I was trying with the newer one, the XHC06 to match the handwheel I have
10:57 AM Rab: This was on a prerelease version of 2.8, BTW.
10:57 AM robinsz: there's a sample config in the docs, with a page to download it on github
10:57 AM robinsz: but its a work of fantasy
10:58 AM robinsz: https://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man1/xhc-whb04b-6.1.html
10:58 AM _unreal_: ok just did something that I should have done a LONG time ago
10:58 AM robinsz: I began commenting out lines that caused a conflict, but gave up after about 20 or so
10:59 AM _unreal_: just setup the arduino and tested the the encoders on my brushed servo motors
10:59 AM _unreal_: I'm getting nothing from them
11:00 AM _unreal_: now I tested an external encoder....
11:00 AM _unreal_: and it works. I also discovered my !@#%$!@#%$ arduino apears to have a few dead pins
11:00 AM _unreal_: so I ended up testing with an LED
11:00 AM _unreal_: and yep blinky blinky
11:00 AM _unreal_: on the external
11:01 AM _unreal_: zip on the onboard
11:01 AM robinsz: Andy reckoned that would not work and I'd have to understand the exact way that pncconf layed out the hal config and work out how to connect the handwheel up
11:02 AM _unreal_: which means if I fucked up something which I must have in the controller box... with the motor contorllers I built from ve7it... I may have destroyed every one of the onboard encoders on my @!#$^@#$%^ brushed servos :(
11:02 AM _unreal_: this reallllllly stucks.
11:03 AM CloudEvil: Ohj dear.
11:04 AM _unreal_: I spent months building all of that hardware
11:04 AM CloudEvil: I have somewhere a large 'stepper motor' that I later realised was a very complex and high resolution encoder (I was rather younger) and applied 24V to all the pins to try to get it to turn.
11:04 AM _unreal_: and I know everything tested out correct. the only thing I dont know for sure is if I had maybe a solder bridge on one of the boards? maybe a fuck up on one of the parts?
11:05 AM _unreal_: bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZaaaaaaaaaaaaaaPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
11:05 AM CloudEvil: Encoders may in principle be fixable, even if you 'killed' them, depending on stuff.
11:05 AM CloudEvil: replacing photodiodes/...
11:05 AM CloudEvil: Likely very fiddly
11:06 AM _unreal_: I litterally have that motor https://ve7it.cowlug.org/servo001.jpg
11:06 AM _unreal_: from the 80s
11:07 AM _unreal_: I mean the big issue is thats 3 steps back now....
11:07 AM CloudEvil: :/
11:08 AM _unreal_: PSU BOX?, motor controller box, motor controllers
11:08 AM _unreal_: motors
11:08 AM _unreal_: 4 steps
11:08 AM _unreal_: god I feel like ass....
11:08 AM CloudEvil: Incremental testing is great when you remember to do it.
11:09 AM CloudEvil: Are the motors even accessible to take a look at the encoder portion?
11:09 AM _unreal_: so my father was cleared of stage4 cancer little over a month ago. so few weeks after that he "celebrated" and planted a "garden" inside. well about two weeks ago he changed all of the tray systems to these deep black large plastic trays. again I'm in florida...
11:10 AM CloudEvil: Also, are you sure you're not misusing the encoderrs, for example, they are failing to work because of lack of pullups
11:10 AM _unreal_: I started feeling bad ish JUST slightly monday. yesterday I inspected them real close yesterday. and released a swarm of about 80 mosquitos from one box.....
11:11 AM CloudEvil: Wow.
11:11 AM _unreal_: there has been a lot of the fuckers as of late could not find the source.... NOW I found the source. but they got me.....
11:13 AM _unreal_: back of my through is killing me. And deep to the back of my nose.. yesterday I had a one day fever. totally gone now. only issue is my through... just weird but not the first time I've had the same thing.
11:15 AM roycroft: i just read about an interesting technique for transferring bolt hole locations in solidworks from one component of an assembly to another
11:16 AM roycroft: i think i'm going to make a tarball of my current project so i can do forensics on it later, nuke my existing assemblies, and make new assemblies using the new hole location technique
11:17 AM roycroft: i think it will go faster, hopefully not cause the failures i'm currently getting, and be more accurate and maintainable
11:17 AM _unreal_: hehe when I moved in because my father had cancer few years ago, he had "JUST" MODIFIED" the A/C drain which went under the front step way which is like 10'x14' and about a 1' high wooden structure. And protected, it produced a pond under it and a MEGA bug issue happened. needed less to say it got changed with in a month but AGAIN not before the fucking bugs got me.
11:21 AM _unreal_: wtf....?
11:21 AM _unreal_: I just tried calling my storage place to make a payment....? and it went to voicemail thanks for calling bla bla bal storage. I just called back number not in service?
11:21 AM _unreal_: google says they are open.
11:21 AM robinsz: Right, off to work to go and get the 04 version of the pendant, the 06 can just go on the shelf for now.
11:22 AM _unreal_: now its ringing?
11:22 AM _unreal_: weird
11:33 AM t4nk_freenode: the ringing is in our ears perhaps, Berin?
11:33 AM t4nk_freenode: :b
11:40 AM roycroft: many business are closed today, as new year's day falls on a weekend this year
11:40 AM roycroft: er
11:40 AM roycroft: next year
11:52 AM roycroft: aliexpress are definitely on crack
11:53 AM roycroft: after i finally went through the ordeal of getting a refund on the defective indicator tree, they suddenly started sending me marketing emails, which i never asked for, and had not been receiving
11:53 AM roycroft: i unsubscribed several times to no avail, but then finally they stopped coming
11:54 AM roycroft: now they're coming again, but this time in spanish
11:57 AM Tom_L: maybe they felt they weren't getting thru to you
11:58 AM roycroft: perhaps
12:02 PM NoGodDamnIdea: Happy New Year everyone
12:02 PM roycroft: happy new year
12:02 PM roycroft: may it be better than the one we're leaving
12:02 PM Tom_L: you must be on the wrong side of the ball...
12:02 PM Tom_L: happy new year
12:03 PM roycroft: i need to decide what toppings will go on the last pizza of 2021
12:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: shit year pick shit toppings
12:04 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of ending the year with a simple margherita
12:04 PM roycroft: it's been a challenging year
12:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: the challenging pizza
12:04 PM roycroft: but there have been good parts of the year
12:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: peanut butter and jelly?
12:05 PM roycroft: and i like to focus on the good things
12:05 PM _unreal_: 2020 shity year 2021 shity ish
12:05 PM roycroft: actually, a margherita might be an excellent choice today
12:05 PM roycroft: because i'm done with work
12:05 PM roycroft: i'd actually have time to make fresh mozzarella cheese
12:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: u what
12:05 PM roycroft: i usually buy the cheese at the market
12:06 PM NoGodDamnIdea: roycroft? more like RoyCraft
12:06 PM roycroft: because i don't have time to make cheese after work and eat dinner at a resonable time
12:06 PM NoGodDamnIdea: isnt mozzarella a bit time intensive ?
12:06 PM roycroft: it takes about 3 hours
12:06 PM roycroft: mostly waiting
12:07 PM roycroft: but that's why i don't usually make it
12:07 PM roycroft: i don't like eating dinner at 8pm
12:07 PM _unreal_: I love making pizza totally from scratch. though I always buy frozen dough balls... but NOT today
12:07 PM _unreal_: good lord
12:08 PM roycroft: _unreal_: i make pizza every week on friday
12:08 PM _unreal_: ok feeling ok ish for a second grabing an other one of the motors to test the encoders see if they work
12:08 PM roycroft: it's a good way to wind down at the end of the work week
12:08 PM roycroft: cooking is therapy for me
12:09 PM * JT-Shop finds it hard to make a good finger joint when the sled base is not the same thickness everywhere
12:09 PM roycroft: i don't often make the dough from scrath any more
12:09 PM roycroft: because i found a local bakery who make fresh doughballs that i can buy at a number of local markets
12:09 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, any router sled recommendations
12:09 PM roycroft: i especially like the ones with rosemary
12:09 PM roycroft: i keep meaning to build one
12:10 PM roycroft: i use my incra jig for finger joints
12:10 PM roycroft: that may be overkill for what you're doing
12:10 PM roycroft: although incra do make a box joint jig that's a lot less expensive
12:10 PM roycroft: i really like the incra products, because they can be adjusted to 0.001"
12:10 PM JT-Shop: finger joints for joining wood end to end
12:11 PM JT-Shop: not a box joint, I have a sled for that
12:11 PM roycroft: oh
12:11 PM roycroft: i'd use the table saw for that
12:12 PM JT-Shop: https://www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-coping-sled-3029.html
12:12 PM JT-Shop: that's what I have now
12:13 PM roycroft: yeah, a coping sled is not ideal for what you're doing
12:13 PM roycroft: if you make the fingers a saw kerf wide, it's pretty easy to make a simple tablesaw jig
12:14 PM JT-Shop: https://www.infinitytools.com/finger-joint-router-bits-3189
12:14 PM JT-Shop: I'm using that bit
12:14 PM roycroft: aah
12:14 PM roycroft: i think i'd probably still use the table saw
12:15 PM roycroft: it would be faster and easier, i think
12:15 PM JT-Shop: and the stock does not sit flat to the router table top so they are uneven on each end
12:15 PM roycroft: even though you're only cutting a single finger at a time, and you'd be cutting more fingers
12:15 PM JT-Shop: how would you do that with a table saw?
12:15 PM roycroft: you attach an auxiliary fence to your miter gauge
12:15 PM roycroft: just a piece of mdf
12:16 PM JT-Shop: wouldn't you need a tenon jig for the table saw?
12:16 PM roycroft: in the fence you insert a little piece of wood the thickness of your saw blade
12:16 PM roycroft: adjust it so that it sits right next to the blade
12:16 PM roycroft: and you use that to index the fingers
12:16 PM _unreal_: JESUS I just killed 5 more bugs
12:16 PM _unreal_: its very telling I asked him last night to fix his bug farm. its not 1pm and he still has not exited his room.... he does not want to face me.
12:17 PM roycroft: and if you use a box joint blade you don't have to cut as many fingers
12:17 PM _unreal_: not=now
12:17 PM roycroft: but you'll get a stronger joint if you use a regular blade with a 1/8" kerf
12:17 PM JT-Shop: I think I understand similar to my box joint sled
12:17 PM roycroft: yes
12:17 PM roycroft: you're just installing the pieces inline instead of perpendicular
12:18 PM roycroft: you could do the same thing with your box joint jig
12:18 PM roycroft: when i'm setting up my incra jig for box joints i test alignment by putting two pieces together inline
12:19 PM roycroft: i like the table saw for that stuff because it's faster and quieter
12:20 PM JT-Shop: yes the table saw is pretty quiet but my dust collector is not so I wear hearing protection when running anything in there
12:20 PM roycroft: and less expensive
12:20 PM roycroft: a tablesaw blade costs a lot, but it lasts a long time and can be resharpened many times
12:20 PM roycroft: router cutters are hard to sharpen, and don't last nearly as long as one would like
12:21 PM roycroft: i've over the years moved as many operations away from the router table to the table saw for that reason alone - the speed and quietness are just added benefits
12:21 PM JT-Shop: I think for today I'll put a piece of tape down the low end of the coping sled so I can press on with chicken furniture
12:21 PM roycroft: that might be wise
12:22 PM roycroft: i think my suggestion is a good one, but it requires a rethink of the process and some retooling
12:22 PM JT-Shop: while I ponder what you said...
12:22 PM JT-Shop: exactly
12:22 PM roycroft: a quick band-aid on what you have and know is probably the best way to get through the day
12:23 PM roycroft: i've decided to not make a tarball of my router files
12:23 PM roycroft: i'm going to instead put them in a git branch that is not the mainline branch
12:24 PM roycroft: but looking at the project folder, there's almost 500MB of files in there, so i should probably clean that up before doing the commit
12:24 PM JT-Shop: wow that's a bunch of files
12:24 PM roycroft: yes
12:24 PM roycroft: and that's why i need to clean it up
12:24 PM roycroft: it includes all the third-party stuff i downloaded from grabcad et al.
12:25 PM roycroft: and that stuff is mixed in with my locally-generated drawings
12:25 PM roycroft: i should probably create a library for the third party stuff, as i'll likely use some of those files on other projects
12:26 PM roycroft: which leads to another project - i have the fastener toolbox installed locally
12:26 PM roycroft: that's fine, except i have solidworks on both my imac and my macbook pro
12:26 PM roycroft: and two copies of the fastener toolbox
12:26 PM roycroft: i should see about installing that on my nas instead, so i can share it
12:27 PM roycroft: which would also be a good place for those third-party files
12:27 PM roycroft: or maybe i should simplify my life and just install my cad software on my imac, and never use it on the laptop
12:27 PM roycroft: but where's the fun in that?
12:28 PM roycroft: getting back to router cutters, i am rather concerned about the cost of them
12:28 PM roycroft: that's a big concern with the cnc router i'm building
12:28 PM roycroft: and i wonder if i should just use end mills on the cnc router whenver possible, as they're generally less expensive than router cutters
12:29 PM roycroft: the tool geometry is not ideal for wood, though
12:29 PM _unreal_: YES!!!!! the big brushed servo expensive motor $200 as I recall the encoder works
12:29 PM roycroft: i just don't want to have to buy a new $25-$40 cutter for every part i make
12:29 PM _unreal_: the other two motors the encoders are totally dead
12:30 PM _unreal_: damn where is VE7it I want to fill him in on the details. he was very let down last year when the build testing phase massivly bombed
12:32 PM _unreal_: he was like HOW it should just plug in and work. ether spin like WTF till the AB encoder order is fixed if an issue (SWAP) beyond that should just find the motor and LOCK it in place on first start up.
12:32 PM _unreal_: then PID tune
12:37 PM _unreal_: ok... so what i'm looking for is do you guys remember the old OKIDATA dot maxtrix printers?
12:38 PM * roycroft sold hundreds of those back in the '80s and '90s
12:38 PM _unreal_: like the GE5253A just for example... I'm trying to find parts
12:38 PM _unreal_: THOSE have the servo motor I have
12:38 PM _unreal_: seem to be able to find all kinds of sources to get these printers but ZERO for the parts
12:39 PM _unreal_: https://ve7it.cowlug.org/servo001.jpg
12:39 PM _unreal_: I have that same motor
12:39 PM roycroft: i would not know where to get parts for them these days, but a lot of folks still use them
12:39 PM Tom_L: https://choiceprinters.com/dmsc/okidata-dm-parts.html
12:42 PM _unreal_: I dont see any motors in that link for the okidatas or I'm just not looking at the right area?
12:43 PM _unreal_: the only motors are tiny steppers with gears
12:43 PM _unreal_: killed two more bugs
12:43 PM _unreal_: just endless
12:52 PM _unreal_: so I just found one of the motors on ebay. fuckers want almost $300 for it are you kidding?
01:02 PM _unreal_: ve7it, got some news for ya
01:02 PM ve7it: whats up?
01:02 PM _unreal_: felt well enough to do something today so I pulled out the brushed servos and started testing them
01:02 PM _unreal_: the encoders are DEAD
01:03 PM _unreal_: on the two I hooked up
01:03 PM _unreal_: so... I got an issue somehwere
01:04 PM _unreal_: chances are I fucked the encoders up on those motors. and there is something in the hardware ether, the psu box, the motor controller box, the hand built controllers or both motors were fucked up to begin with.
01:04 PM _unreal_: but remember I said I kept getting jibberish in serial term trying to access the DSPICS
01:04 PM ve7it: hmm... 2 thoughts... too much voltage applied to them or you need pull ups on the data lines as they are open collector drivers
01:04 PM _unreal_: some times worked some times gibirish
01:04 PM _unreal_: could be but
01:05 PM _unreal_: I scoped them with my DMM and I got constant .2v from one of them and NOTHING from the other motor/encoder
01:05 PM _unreal_: when probing the A:B
01:05 PM _unreal_: and NO flux AT ALL WHEN turning the shaft
01:06 PM _unreal_: the 3rd motor I that stupid expensive one I never plugged it in... so
01:06 PM _unreal_: I tested it and got a perfect flashing LED's in a simple setup as I turned the shaft
01:07 PM _unreal_: so... I'm if I have a shorted trace issue, a SOURCE psu issue?
01:07 PM _unreal_: i'm wondering if
01:08 PM _unreal_: if I feel any better i may pull the entire setup into my room pull all but one of the drivers for ease of access. plug it in and power it up
01:08 PM _unreal_: not like I'm going to mess anything up at this point hehe
01:09 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I'm wondering if it may be wiser to use the switching PSU that is for powering relays and other shit to power the 5v rail on those boards rather then the onboard 7805
01:10 PM _unreal_: but again going to test everything if when I get to it. so at least I have an idea of what went wrong to begin with.
01:12 PM ve7it: a sepaerate supply for 5v should be no problem, pull the 7805 and feed the ground and 5V pads from the external supply
01:14 PM _unreal_: I could be wrong but I cant see pluging 5v/ground backward into the encoders doing damage
01:15 PM Tom_L: how's that?
01:15 PM ve7it: backwards supply connections let the magic smoke out very quickly
01:16 PM Tom_L: unless you're destined to see encoded blue smoke
01:16 PM _unreal_: because that controller uses +24v -24v I'm wondering if I have a short some how
01:16 PM _unreal_: 10101010101111110101 into the great beyond
01:16 PM _unreal_: I color coded all of the headers
01:19 PM roycroft: well this commit is going to take quite a while
01:19 PM * roycroft decides to head off on errands while git is doing its thing
01:22 PM _unreal_: well GITerrr done
01:25 PM _unreal_: ve7it, one of the encoders just has 2 light sources and two photo recivers and straight wiring with what 2-4 resistors? and VERY old looking TECH...
01:25 PM _unreal_: the other servo, has a lm339n and a much more modern ish looking encoder.
01:26 PM _unreal_: just wish I could find a replacement... I'll prob just strip them off and get encoders that fit. problem is I'll have to make some kind of a jig. there are non standard holes and I'm not about to drill/dap INTO the motor body.
01:36 PM _unreal_: do you guys know of any good sources for dirt cheap IN USA 8mm shaft hollow encoders 256-500 PPR?
01:38 PM * CloudEvil looks at his 8mm threaded hollow tubing and his bag of optical mice.
01:39 PM CloudEvil: You can likely simply replace the photodetector and liught sources.
01:44 PM * JT-Shop takes the last opportunity for a nap this year
01:54 PM _unreal_: cloud they are antiques
01:55 PM _unreal_: odd sizes and the optical sensor is this little can like device with a SLIT in it
01:55 PM _unreal_: one of them was CLEARLY built by hand the other is more modern but....
01:56 PM _unreal_: I'm not likely to find a replacement. to match the onboard encoder disk :/
01:57 PM _unreal_: one encoder the lines are all ONE line, the other one has two sets of encoder lines off set to a smaller ring.
01:57 PM _unreal_: :/
02:02 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:18 PM roycroft: oh no
02:18 PM roycroft: betty white has passed :(
02:18 PM XXCoder: yeah
02:19 PM XXCoder: weeks away from 100 years old too
02:19 PM roycroft: she almost made it to 100
02:32 PM Tom_L: :/
02:35 PM ve7it: _unreal_, https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/cui-devices/AMT103-V/827016 might be an option
02:35 PM ve7it: digikey.com will show us prices
02:35 PM _unreal_: when I was a nurse, I has a resident who was 102 years old rather advanced dimentia, she was like a ROCK health wise... then one day at the "breakfast" table. the person who was feeding her said OH OH .. she just sat back and was still...
02:36 PM _unreal_: I has=I had
02:37 PM _unreal_: she litterally went from leaning forward taking a bite of food, spoon fed by one of the nurses. to sitting back in the wheel chair and just slumped to a side a little
02:37 PM ve7it: they need a motor with a rear shaft stub
02:39 PM _unreal_: checking...
02:40 PM ve7it: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cui-devices/AMT103-V/827016
02:42 PM _unreal_: OOOOOOOOHHHH selectable resolutions
02:42 PM _unreal_: me likeeeeeeeeeee
02:44 PM roycroft: i almost forgot
02:44 PM roycroft: today is my online birthday
02:44 PM roycroft: so many websites, etc. require a date of birth when setting up an account
02:44 PM _unreal_: wtf?
02:44 PM roycroft: since the unix epoch started on 31 december 1969, that is what i always give as my date of birth, when required
02:44 PM roycroft: so i'm getting happy birthday emails today from heaps of sites
02:49 PM robinsz_shed: so ...
02:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I get them randomly all through the year
02:52 PM robinsz_shed: trying again the with xhc-wb04, given up on the 06, I can't make any sense of the instructions
02:53 PM robinsz_shed: im trying to follow this
02:53 PM robinsz_shed: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
02:54 PM _unreal_: AHH now it makes sense, ve7it nice encoder. looks like the sleeves are a seperate order.... ok $.50 may break the bank ;)
02:55 PM robinsz_shed: is that right the HAL file for the xhc-b04 is a .tcl file while normally hal files and .hal?
02:56 PM _unreal_: robinsz_shed, I wish I could help but I never got into it too far. I have the b06 version.
02:56 PM robinsz_shed: I have the b06 as well, but given up on it
02:56 PM robinsz_shed: do you have a working config for a B06 + Mesa?
02:57 PM _unreal_: any and everything I have is sitting at work and no I never got the b06 to work. nore did I put much of any effort into it.
02:57 PM _unreal_: my working board is a 7i96 but again at work.
02:58 PM ve7it: _unreal_, the kits come with a bunch of sleeves of different ID's, they also seem to see extras... not sure if they are a use once type of thing... the cables are a little pricey, but probably worth buying with the encoders
02:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: [HAL]... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/cfafb4139206754bfcc32e655816c375212467b2)
02:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: this is where you list the names of the files used, you can name them anything that you wish here as long as they are the actual file names that Linux can handle
03:00 PM roycroft: are there counterfieit xhc pendants, btw?
03:00 PM robinsz_shed: CaptHindsight[m], yeah, im getting there, just a bit confusing why some hal files are .hal and some .tcl
03:00 PM roycroft: there are things on aliexpress, etc. that look xhc-ish, and sometimes even have the letters xhc
03:00 PM robinsz_shed: but, I have motion!
03:00 PM roycroft: but i'm thinking they're probably fakes
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: they just decided to name them that way
03:01 PM robinsz_shed: how .. consistent, anywaym, I have motion, so thats good
03:01 PM roycroft: not that i would ever buy anything on aliexpress again, given my track record with them
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: OT, but if you are wondering where all the stm32 went? they are in covid tests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nhg9wrcILY
03:02 PM _unreal_: robinsz_shed, working now?
03:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and cars and a bunch of other stuff
03:02 PM robinsz_shed: _unreal_, yeah, I've given up on the 06 as well, there is a config in the manual, but its hugely incorrect, many many lines of errors
03:02 PM robinsz_shed: the 04 is showing signs of life, yes
03:02 PM _unreal_: hum
03:02 PM _unreal_: I tested my b06 with mach3 once worked fine. but I cant stand mach3
03:03 PM robinsz_shed: yeah, piece of cake in mach3, but I prefer to avoid windows if at all possible
03:03 PM _unreal_: planetcnc, lcnc, grbl are my bitches
03:03 PM _unreal_: ever used turbocnc?
03:03 PM _unreal_: my first cnc I built some 20 years ago did, using a 50mhz 486 laptop.
03:03 PM _unreal_: and a parallel port. SMOOTH as butter
03:04 PM _unreal_: hehe the good old days.
03:08 PM robinsz_shed: CaptHindsight[m], are you sure that config is correct .. it finds the xhc-hb04.tcl file .. but cannot find the monitor tcl file?
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: do you have the monitor file?
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: check for typos
03:09 PM robinsz_shed: what do you mean by "do you have the monitor file" ... its the current release of 2.8.2
03:10 PM robinsz_shed: I copy and pasted what you sent
03:12 PM robinsz_shed: I assume that monitor file is *somewhere* in the distribution, but unsure where I would even look
03:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: you need to actually have the matching files as well
03:12 PM robinsz_shed: yes, I'm sure .. where do you get them from?
03:12 PM robinsz_shed: should they not already be there?
03:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah, you need to do more reading of that doc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's custom
03:13 PM JT-Shop: just looks like a normal hal component to me
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: don't assume files are already there
03:13 PM robinsz_shed: well, lets assume they are not there (although one of them is) .. where do I download them froem?
03:14 PM robinsz_shed: without the monitor line, it does at least jog and respond to the mpg
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh sorry, they didn't cover ALL the info for noobs
03:14 PM JT-Shop: there are sample configurations for xhc
03:14 PM robinsz_shed: but that monitor line messes it up
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah I can see how you would not know if you are just learning
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: too mnay howtos don't cover the basics
03:15 PM robinsz_shed: so, if you have the URL, that would be great
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: if find it frustrating as well
03:15 PM robinsz_shed: or can I just run it without that line? it seems to sort of work
03:16 PM JT-Shop: the tcl file is a program not hal pins
03:16 PM robinsz_shed: and?
03:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop: he doesn't have the files, he is wondering where to get them
03:16 PM robinsz_shed: CaptHindsight[m], I dont have the second file
03:16 PM JT-Shop: run a sim
03:16 PM robinsz_shed: the first one works fine
03:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: HAL]... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8f05aee7a2c6fc00a7ea42924c7d72b9fc974907)
03:17 PM robinsz_shed: yes, you sent that already
03:17 PM JT-Shop: there are 4 sample sims for the xhc
03:17 PM robinsz_shed: this line: HALFILE=xhc-hb04.tcl works fine, the file is found
03:18 PM robinsz_shed: this line: HALFILE=monitor_xhc-hb04.tcl does not work, the file is not found
03:19 PM XXCoder: pretty cool! cable measurer https://youtu.be/PjN2aUiQvqk
03:19 PM JT-Shop: where did you get the configuration files?
03:19 PM _unreal_: you.... shall not pass..... robinsz_shed ;)
03:19 PM robinsz_shed: well, I say the first one works fine, it bitches abut pins already beign defined for z probe or something, but pressing <ok> ignores it
03:19 PM robinsz_shed: JT-Shop, they came with the distro I assume?
03:20 PM JT-Shop: did you run a sim to get them?
03:20 PM robinsz_shed: I've not downloaded anything, just run pncconf and then added the lines CaptHindsight[m] told me to add, and pastd in the rest of the config off that wiki page to the ii
03:20 PM robinsz_shed: no, I have hardware, why would I run a sim?
03:20 PM JT-Shop: to get the example files
03:21 PM robinsz_shed: so they dont exist until the sim is run?
03:21 PM JT-Shop: which have tons of explanations
03:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: to clarify I posted the section from that wiki example
03:21 PM JT-Shop: they do but their not in your home directory until you run one
03:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I did not expressly ask you to cut and paste it, sorry for the comnfusion
03:22 PM robinsz_shed: ah, ok
03:22 PM _unreal_: that is stupid sounding, having to run a SIM just to get files? for the hardware?
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: it's a bit frustrating when howtos skip over what is obvious to the author
03:23 PM * JT-Shop wanders out to the other shop to make sawdust
03:24 PM robinsz_shed: OK, so I ran the sim, that worked, but when running the hardware version I still get stopped for the missing file
03:26 PM JT-Shop: did the xhc work with the sim?
03:26 PM robinsz_shed: the sim directory it created has lots of files related to xhc-layout*.txt .. but not that monitor file
03:26 PM robinsz_shed: yes, it worked fine in the sim
03:27 PM JT-Shop: must be someone else that made that file whoever made the wiki page
03:27 PM robinsz_shed: shuold I just comment it out?
03:27 PM JT-Shop: the txt file explains the layout
03:27 PM robinsz_shed: which tx file?
03:27 PM JT-Shop: if you don't have it I would comment it out
03:28 PM JT-Shop: the ones in the sim directory
03:28 PM _unreal_: CaptHindsight[m], I find that endlessly in linux howto pages
03:28 PM JT-Shop: xhc-hb04-layout1.txt
03:28 PM roycroft: _unreal_: what i think jt-shop is saying is that running a sim is an easy shortcut to finding and copying the files from the distro hierarchy to your home directory, where it's then easy to add them to your real config
03:28 PM _unreal_: the foolish mentality of WHY DONT YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS I DO.....
03:29 PM roycroft: not that running a sim is required to access the files
03:29 PM roycroft: it's just an easy way to do it
03:29 PM JT-Shop: and to test each layout to see which one you like
03:29 PM robinsz_shed: do I need to understand the layout? that wiki page doesnt mention anything about needing any of those sim files?
03:29 PM _unreal_: I'm monitoring what is going on becuase I was having some of the same issues
03:30 PM robinsz_shed: all I need is the jog wheel working and the xyz selector to work, it seems to do that
03:30 PM _unreal_: but till I can "HAVE" the new laptop I cant do much lcnc wise. and the lcnc computer is at work.
03:30 PM robinsz_shed: so, lets assume I am happy with the layout
03:30 PM _unreal_: !!!! oooooo
03:30 PM roycroft: i'm semi paying attention because i anticipate getting a pendant after i get my router working, and may use the same pendant
03:30 PM _unreal_: you know what
03:30 PM _unreal_: I have the tinkerboard in front of me
03:30 PM _unreal_: that is loaded with debian and lcnc
03:30 PM _unreal_: man I forgot all about that
03:31 PM _unreal_: I just dont have a monitor to use sigh...
03:31 PM robinsz_shed: so that just leaves this error abuot "Signal: pendant:probe.z Pin: motion.probe.input' was already linked ...
03:32 PM robinsz_shed: I don't care about probing, how do I clear this?
03:36 PM robinsz_shed: its also really nice crisp jogging off the arrow keys, very responsive
03:36 PM robinsz_shed: but off the handwheel, its like treacle ... often still accellerating long after I stopped winding
03:37 PM robinsz_shed: I'm prettty sure I had the same issue when I set the router up 6 years ago ...
03:39 PM robinsz_shed: I've tried setting those low pass coeefs lower, but it makes it worse, not better
03:40 PM robinsz_shed: OK, z probe error solved ..
03:40 PM robinsz_shed: so, just the sluggish response to solve .. its useless like it is
03:41 PM robinsz_shed: the mesa setup was so simple too ... pncconf worked perfectly, could not have been easier.
03:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: who knows, different versions, different behaviors
03:45 PM robinsz_shed: well, I was hoping someone would have some clue ... what controls the accels in handwheel operation then?
03:46 PM robinsz_shed: its clearly different to jog on the arrows?
03:46 PM robinsz_shed: I have this line: coefs = 1 1 1
03:46 PM Tom_L: try the display section possibly.. i can't recall which one is for the pendant
03:46 PM Tom_L: [DISPLAY] in the ini maybe
03:47 PM robinsz_shed: I tried coefs = 0.01 0.01 0.01
03:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: ask on the forums after searching through them
03:47 PM robinsz_shed: I can't
03:47 PM robinsz_shed: this is my only option for asking anything
03:47 PM Tom_L: we are blessed!
03:47 PM robinsz_shed: indeed!
03:48 PM Tom_L: so are the pendant clicks moving the proper distance?
03:50 PM robinsz_shed: hmm ... lets find out
03:50 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SHOP_2.8.2/my_jog.hal
03:50 PM Tom_L: my pendant scale settings are in that file
03:50 PM robinsz_shed: in "1000" mode, it moves 1mm per click ...
03:51 PM Tom_L: is that correct?
03:51 PM robinsz_shed: errm ...
03:52 PM robinsz_shed: I guess?
03:52 PM * Tom_L doesn't know what 1000 mode is
03:52 PM robinsz_shed: seems like a round number
03:52 PM robinsz_shed: Oh, I thought you had an xhc pendant?
03:52 PM Tom_L: i explained that before.. mine isn't the same as yours
03:53 PM robinsz_shed: then you probably wont know what 1000 mode is
03:53 PM Tom_L: but you explained back that they all work the same
03:53 PM robinsz_shed: on the xhc display it toggle 1 - 10 - 100 - 1000
03:53 PM robinsz_shed: as you press the "STEP" button
03:53 PM Tom_L: 1 meter cm mm or what?
03:54 PM robinsz_shed: who knows? its not specified, it just indicate 1, 10, 100 ,1000
03:54 PM robinsz_shed: 1000 being the biggest/fastest
03:54 PM Tom_L: there are several ini settings that can affect that and the jog speed
03:54 PM robinsz_shed: jog speed is fine
03:54 PM Tom_L: you said the pendant seemed slow
03:55 PM robinsz_shed: lovely and crisp, stops and starts with good accel
03:55 PM robinsz_shed: but the pendant handwheel response is like tracle
03:55 PM robinsz_shed: jog off the kbd arrows
03:55 PM robinsz_shed: there no jog arrows on the pendant
03:56 PM Tom_L: also once you get this working should look into the ilopass filter for it. not everybody likes that but i am using it
03:56 PM robinsz_shed: so the basic jog in Axis is fine, motor accels fine
03:56 PM robinsz_shed: lopass is set to 1 1 1 in the xhc config
03:56 PM Tom_L: i'm not talking about the kbd joging
03:57 PM robinsz_shed: kbd jogging is fine, no worries
03:57 PM robinsz_shed: its the handwheel response that is like treacle
03:58 PM Tom_L: does your config have an ilopass component loaded?
03:59 PM robinsz_shed: its the config off the Wiki page mentioned above
03:59 PM Tom_L: i haven't looked
03:59 PM Tom_L: does your config have an ilopass component loaded?
04:00 PM robinsz_shed: sorry, no idea
04:00 PM robinsz_shed: lets assume no
04:00 PM Tom_L: no
04:00 PM Tom_L: let's find out
04:00 PM robinsz_shed: is there a command I can type?
04:01 PM _unreal_: wholy crap I dont know what I just did but I got the stm32 stuff to show up in arduino IDE finally
04:01 PM Tom_L: open your .ini file in an editor
04:01 PM robinsz_shed: the main ini thing?
04:01 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, you live?
04:01 PM Tom_L: err sry it would be loaded in the .hal file
04:01 PM Tom_L: the main .hal file
04:01 PM robinsz_shed: main hal?
04:02 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ?
04:02 PM robinsz_shed: OK, I think I know the main one
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: _unreal_
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: _unreal_?
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: _unreal_????
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: you there
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: _unreal_????
04:03 PM _unreal_: no i'm not here
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: ok
04:03 PM robinsz_shed: OK, no ilopass
04:03 PM robinsz_shed: so it won't be that slowing it down
04:03 PM _unreal_: so I just got arduino IDE to load the %@#$%@ stm32 boards finally
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: now... WHAT is so important that you feel the need to..
04:03 PM t4nk_freenode: ......disturb me
04:04 PM _unreal_: trying to figure out which flavor(s) I should use
04:04 PM t4nk_freenode: mocca latte
04:04 PM _unreal_: I have stm32f1 and f4 boards
04:04 PM t4nk_freenode: I try to avoid arduino ide
04:05 PM t4nk_freenode: you can go ahead and say it... you got f401 ;)
04:05 PM t4nk_freenode: not f411
04:05 PM _unreal_: regardless I'm just trying to figure what the best stm32 GRBL build there is out there
04:05 PM t4nk_freenode: I thought you said 'should be fine', remember
04:05 PM t4nk_freenode: well, there ya go ;)
04:05 PM _unreal_: yes f401
04:05 PM _unreal_: I couldnt not find any 07 or 11 versions when I purchased those
04:05 PM _unreal_: non avail
04:06 PM _unreal_: regardless this will be for my laser etcher BIG upgrade
04:06 PM Tom_L: robinsz_shed, but you said you had ilopass settings
04:06 PM Tom_L: robinsz_shed> lopass is set to 1 1 1 in the xhc config
04:06 PM t4nk_freenode: what grbl were you trying to build?
04:06 PM Tom_L: so where is the component?
04:06 PM _unreal_: latest
04:06 PM Tom_L: i'm not familiar with those usb pendant drivers
04:06 PM t4nk_freenode: that's not really a helpful answer... I meant from what repo
04:06 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, hence I seek thee. you have more experience
04:06 PM Tom_L: it may be built in the driver for all i know
04:07 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I dont know. I dont know the full differnces between the different repo's
04:07 PM robinsz_shed: I have this: # lowpass settings:
04:07 PM robinsz_shed: # coef: slows rate of change of output, range: 0 < coef < 1
04:07 PM robinsz_shed: coefs = 1 1 1
04:07 PM t4nk_freenode: ok then.. 'where did you get the code'
04:07 PM robinsz_shed: I just copied that in from the wiki page,
04:07 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, My main goal is to 1:1 swap for a faster board. I only need 3axis, and the standard buttons.
04:07 PM Tom_L: robinsz_shed, what pendant driver is it?
04:08 PM robinsz_shed: xhc-hb04
04:08 PM robinsz_shed: its working, moves, the display follows, switchs between axes etc
04:08 PM Tom_L: did you look at the xhc-hb04 comp page?
04:09 PM robinsz_shed: err ...
04:09 PM t4nk_freenode: well, look mate, however you twist and turn... whatever you get to build.. it won't work without actually modifying the code
04:09 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man1/xhc-hb04.1.html
04:09 PM _unreal_: ?
04:09 PM _unreal_: modifying in what way
04:09 PM t4nk_freenode: you got your specific situation, pins, and godknows what
04:10 PM t4nk_freenode: and you need to adapt the code to reflect that
04:10 PM _unreal_: I dont care about any pins nothing
04:10 PM t4nk_freenode: there's your problem, probably
04:10 PM robinsz_shed: Tom_L, I looked at that page, but couldnt see what to paste in .. so I used this page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
04:10 PM t4nk_freenode: hehe
04:10 PM _unreal_: no i dont. I'm going to build a custom board the stm32 will just seat into it and all of the leads will be connected to the correct locations
04:11 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I'm going to use KICAD and build a costom base board that the stm32 seats into and then all of the connections will be connected via traces. it will be a drop in
04:11 PM t4nk_freenode: for what?
04:11 PM _unreal_: I just need to get it programmed
04:11 PM t4nk_freenode: drop in for what?
04:12 PM _unreal_: I need the uno footprint
04:12 PM Tom_L: so ilopass must be built into the driver
04:12 PM t4nk_freenode: you will have to either specify a store bought board in the grbl code...
04:12 PM robinsz_shed: OK
04:12 PM t4nk_freenode: or you will need to make your own board file
04:13 PM _unreal_: the motor board is an uno footprint. so I'm just going to use a socket setup and a custom designed board to be an arduino uno foot print...
04:13 PM _unreal_: board file?
04:13 PM robinsz_shed: Tom_L, so with the values as 1 1 1 it shuodl just be lietting it through without low pass filtering?
04:13 PM Tom_L: so play with the coef settings to see how they change it
04:13 PM robinsz_shed: and lower values filter it more
04:13 PM t4nk_freenode: a map file
04:13 PM robinsz_shed: I tried 0.01 0.01 0.01 and it was worse
04:13 PM Tom_L: i personally would do that from the hal file that they're loaded in
04:13 PM t4nk_freenode: like blackpill.map, orskr2
04:13 PM robinsz_shed: and the range is 0 to 1
04:14 PM _unreal_: well I have the stm32f401ccu6
04:14 PM Tom_L: what's vnormal or plus-minus jog mode do?
04:14 PM _unreal_: and what ever the other one is
04:14 PM robinsz_shed: kbd jog?
04:14 PM Tom_L: # jogmode normal(default) or vnormal or plus-minus
04:14 PM Tom_L: jogmode = normal
04:15 PM Tom_L: assume we are talking only about the pendant because this is a pendant driver
04:15 PM robinsz_shed: yes
04:16 PM robinsz_shed: err. its "normal" ... which shudl I try? I dont really know what it does
04:16 PM Tom_L: so try those different modes to see what they do
04:16 PM Tom_L: try it and find out :)
04:16 PM t4nk_freenode: so you could use the blackpill map file for that
04:16 PM Tom_L: t4nk_freenode, bluepill is better
04:16 PM t4nk_freenode: is that a joke?
04:17 PM Tom_L: hard to say at this point
04:17 PM robinsz_shed: well, one option is plus-minus
04:17 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, what about the red pill
04:17 PM robinsz_shed: and I know what that does
04:17 PM Tom_L: what does it does?
04:17 PM robinsz_shed: it produces an error that says "unknown jog mode plus-minus"
04:17 PM _unreal_: blissss
04:17 PM Tom_L: so the documentation is in error or the driver has been modified since
04:18 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man1/xhc-hb04.1.html
04:18 PM Tom_L: let's have a look at this instead then
04:18 PM Tom_L: it is the most current docs released
04:19 PM t4nk_freenode: Tom_L, in any case, I hope it was a joke, because it is, speaking with Morpheus.. not true: 'Far from it' ;)
04:19 PM Tom_L: we can take it as a joke then
04:19 PM Tom_L: :)
04:19 PM t4nk_freenode: lol
04:19 PM t4nk_freenode: hedheh
04:19 PM robinsz_shed: vnormal doesnt error, but seems the same as normal
04:20 PM Tom_L: robinsz_shed, i suggest you read that link to it's entirety and see if it sheds more light on what you're after
04:20 PM _unreal_: robinsz_shed, IF you ever see "fdarling" online he is also a good person to ask questions... seldom is though
04:20 PM robinsz_shed: it seems to be stuff about hal pins
04:20 PM robinsz_shed: I don't see anything abut acceleration
04:21 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ok so blackpill
04:21 PM t4nk_freenode: ehm, _unreal_ ... I have to say that I'm speaking for 'grblhal' here
04:21 PM _unreal_: for the f4
04:21 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm running that myself at the moment
04:21 PM _unreal_: what GIT source
04:21 PM t4nk_freenode: there's only one, man ;)
04:21 PM _unreal_: ??
04:22 PM t4nk_freenode: what GIT source are you using, that was my question to begin with
04:22 PM robinsz_shed: culd someone post the question on the forum for me?
04:22 PM Tom_L: robinsz_shed, read the 'experimental' section
04:22 PM _unreal_: I have not picked one thats why I'm asking you if you reccomend anything
04:22 PM robinsz_shed: Tom_L, I did, but that is for *none trivkins* ,.... I have trivkins
04:23 PM t4nk_freenode: but... just yesterday you were trying to lecture me about e-stops, deep inside the grbl codebase..
04:23 PM t4nk_freenode: makes me wonder... what were you talking about then
04:23 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I assume my laser etcher will now be the bottle neck. using the f1 or the f4. as far as speed of its operation and laser power. for ether stm32
04:24 PM _unreal_: ?
04:24 PM robinsz_shed: and the jog speed is fine ... it just takes ages to get there ... and when you crank on Z and stop and the head is still speeding up heading towards the workpiece, its .. disconcerting.
04:24 PM robinsz_shed: let me do a video
04:24 PM t4nk_freenode: you should really not be using a bluepill for this
04:24 PM t4nk_freenode: not even f401, if you'd ask me honestly
04:25 PM t4nk_freenode: but 401 will do
04:25 PM Tom_L: robinsz_shed, ilopass does that
04:25 PM robinsz_shed: but the coefficient are set to 1
04:25 PM _unreal_: ok so blackpill it is
04:25 PM robinsz_shed: is that no lopass?
04:25 PM robinsz_shed: can I remove it?
04:26 PM t4nk_freenode: so type in grblhal, and you will find the sources for that
04:27 PM _unreal_: google I assume
04:27 PM robinsz_shed: lets try coeffs of zero ...
04:27 PM t4nk_freenode: but you can use whatever you want, I guess.. it will still need some customizing
04:27 PM robinsz_shed: oh, zero doesnt move at all lol
04:27 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ok so terjeio/grblhal
04:28 PM t4nk_freenode: yes
04:28 PM Tom_L: see, i'm not using that driver so i can't tell you exactly what to do. however i do use the ilopass component for my pendant
04:28 PM t4nk_freenode: so you can find the blackpill.map and use that
04:29 PM t4nk_freenode: euh
04:29 PM _unreal_: frig wrong computer.. I use my "phone" for the majority of internet data. IRC for teathering
04:29 PM t4nk_freenode: blackpill_map.h
04:29 PM t4nk_freenode: yes, it's quite the theater
04:31 PM robinsz_shed: Tom_L, so it will be in this xhc-hb04.tcl file?
04:31 PM robinsz_shed: and any ideas where to find that on the machine?
04:31 PM JT-Shop: robinsz_shed, https://pastebin.com/V8ABQQzq that's my mpg section and stops the moment you stop turning the mpg
04:32 PM Tom_L: see, i'm not using this driver......
04:32 PM JT-Shop: you didn't ask me but it's in hallib in your sim config
04:32 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, he's not using the ilopass filter though. aparently it's built in the usb driver
04:33 PM JT-Shop: ok, might be some settings in the tcl file
04:33 PM * JT-Shop goes back to making wood chips
04:33 PM robinsz_shed: JT-Shop, im not using sim, this is real hardware
04:33 PM JT-Shop: I know that but you asked where the file was and a copy is in the sim directory
04:33 PM * Tom_L feels robinsz_shed missed the whole conversation about the sim files
04:34 PM robinsz_shed: no, I ran the sim once as requested
04:34 PM robinsz_shed: it didnt provide the missing file though
04:34 PM JT-Shop: which missing file?
04:34 PM JT-Shop: the one someone on the wiki made up?
04:34 PM robinsz_shed: the one that running the sim was supposed to generate
04:35 PM JT-Shop: which one was that?
04:35 PM robinsz_shed: HALFILE=monitor_xhc-hb04.tcl
04:35 PM robinsz_shed: I just commented it out
04:35 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, on a side note: i did find out if you use larger mpg-scale numbers and lower ilopass.x.scale the pendant becomes choppy
04:35 PM _unreal_: ok t4nk_freenode man that github is confusing... a lot of the stuff didnt download becuase its a "link" to an other github ugh...
04:35 PM JT-Shop: that's a file someone else made not supplied by emc
04:35 PM robinsz_shed: could be
04:36 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, but does produce the right distance
04:36 PM robinsz_shed: but this file: HALFILE = xhc-hb04.tcl was there in the distro, somewhere, before sim
04:36 PM JT-Shop: you did ask where is xhc-hb04.tcl file and I pointed you to a copy of that file
04:36 PM robinsz_shed: and after sim
04:36 PM robinsz_shed: oh, I missed that
04:37 PM JT-Shop: everything should be in the config directory for each config
04:37 PM JT-Shop: or in the case of sims a symlink to the files
04:37 PM skunkworks: Can you install linuxcnc on Bullseye? I haven't been paying attention..
04:37 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/lib/hallib/xhc-hb04.tcl
04:38 PM JT-Shop: what's a bullseye?
04:38 PM robinsz_shed: JT-Shop, no, its not in the config directory
04:38 PM Tom_L: robinsz_shed, ^^
04:38 PM skunkworks: debian 11
04:38 PM JT-Shop: the config directory of?
04:39 PM robinsz_shed: the one in hom/pi/linuxcnc/configs/my_machine/
04:39 PM JT-Shop: skunkworks, yes
04:39 PM robinsz_shed: so this particular instance
04:40 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ok I have stm32fxx master, plugins laser, and grbl core
04:40 PM _unreal_: I just downloaded the bulk GIT hub
04:40 PM JT-Shop: that's the config you made with pncconf then added stuff from some wiki?
04:41 PM robinsz_shed: yes
04:41 PM robinsz_shed: its perfect from kbd jog
04:41 PM robinsz_shed: accels are just fine
04:41 PM JT-Shop: so unless you copied that file to that config directory it's not going to be there
04:41 PM robinsz_shed: snappy, no missed steps
04:42 PM robinsz_shed: which file? xhc-hb04.tcl?
04:42 PM robinsz_shed: but it finds it, no problem
04:42 PM JT-Shop: any files that pncconf didn't create
04:42 PM Tom_L: any files associated with your config should be in your config directory
04:42 PM robinsz_shed: so it must be in some other unknown include directory I guess
04:42 PM JT-Shop: prob reading the one in the linuxcnc install
04:43 PM JT-Shop: what is the hal line?
04:43 PM robinsz_shed: so if I copy that one off github and put it into my directory, it will read from ther ein preference?
04:43 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I have not found blackpill map
04:43 PM JT-Shop: HALFILE = LIB:xhc-hb04.tcl?
04:43 PM robinsz_shed: HALFILE = xhc-hb04.tcl
04:44 PM Tom_L: and is xhc-hb04.tcl in your config directory?
04:44 PM robinsz_shed: no
04:44 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, found it. under inc
04:44 PM Tom_L: make it so
04:44 PM JT-Shop: that "should" only look in the my-machine directory
04:44 PM _unreal_: its "make it so number one"
04:44 PM Tom_L: sry, my bad..
04:45 PM robinsz_shed: so copy from the github link, or from somewhere on my machine?
04:45 PM Tom_L: i'd look for the one on your pc first
04:45 PM Tom_L: and move it
04:46 PM JT-Shop: https://pastebin.com/bMw1E1Y5
04:46 PM robinsz_shed: copied it from /usr/share/linuxcnc/hallib
04:46 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ? I think I'm ready?
04:47 PM t4nk_freenode: if you think you're ready... then you are ready ;)
04:48 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, could he just edit the HALFILE= location?
04:48 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, you asked me to find the map file I found it... next
04:48 PM Tom_L: it's probably better to move the file into the config directory
04:48 PM t4nk_freenode: 'should be fine', remember? ;)
04:48 PM t4nk_freenode: mate.. rtfm
04:48 PM _unreal_: I do not see feed hold etc.. in the list
04:49 PM _unreal_: oh nbever mind
04:49 PM _unreal_: I do not see estop in the list
04:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: skunkworks: it's the plan after all the Python is stable on Python3 and whatever else still needs fixing
04:49 PM robinsz_shed: OK, so I copied to the directory, now what?
04:50 PM robinsz_shed: there seems to be lots of stuff about joint accel and lots of loops
04:50 PM Tom_L: uh huh
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: skunkworks: last I checked it almost works on Bullseye
04:50 PM robinsz_shed: not sure I speak tcl though
04:51 PM Tom_L: now that you've copied it and your config can see it, try running it again as is first
04:52 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, is door safety estop?
04:54 PM t4nk_freenode: no man
04:55 PM t4nk_freenode: but what are you messing around with that for?
04:55 PM Tom_L: he's just inquisitive like that
04:55 PM robinsz_shed: yep, works, and putting garbage in the file causes an error, so it is reading the local one
04:56 PM _unreal_: I need the estop
04:57 PM robinsz_shed: so ..
04:59 PM JT-Shop: making progress I see
04:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: if you have time to add/clarify the wiki on this it might help the next person
05:00 PM robinsz_shed: I'm not sure I have edit rights, or indeed at this point enough foo to know what to edit
05:00 PM JT-Shop: if it's owned by root then copy the one from the sim directory
05:02 PM robinsz_shed: no, its all pi:pi
05:03 PM JT-Shop: dewy pointed out on the forum that error https://forum.linuxcnc.org/49-basic-configuration/33233-xhc-hb04-error
05:04 PM JT-Shop: dewey also said that wiki page is wrong and the readme files are correct
05:04 PM robinsz_shed: I don't know who can edit the Wiki
05:05 PM robinsz_shed: anyway, did he mean replace the underscore with a hyphen?
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz_shed: anyone that volunteers
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: instructions are on the wiki
05:06 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, yes it is "safety door is estop
05:06 PM _unreal_: or at least how it is wired on the uno that was the pin labled estop
05:07 PM t4nk_freenode: I guess the e-stop has no place inside grbl perhaps
05:07 PM t4nk_freenode: it shouldmaybe just go to the fuse box and shut it all down
05:08 PM robinsz_shed: CaptHindsight[m], ah yes I remember now, a long long time ago I was more involved in emc and had a hand in setting it up
05:08 PM robinsz_shed: but much beer has passed under the pridge
05:08 PM robinsz_shed: what was the guy's name .. paul ...
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hah "No one takes responsibility for reviewing or maintaining wiki entries.
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: However, numerous contributors attempt to update and maintain
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: documentation within the LinuxCNC project. "
05:10 PM robinsz_shed: right, that located the missing file
05:10 PM robinsz_shed: still like treacle though ;)
05:11 PM JT-Shop: robinsz_shed, anyone can edit the wiki
05:11 PM robinsz_shed: yes, I remember
05:11 PM JT-Shop: it's a community place
05:12 PM robinsz_shed: yes, I remember now
05:12 PM robinsz_shed: I had a hand in setting it up
05:12 PM robinsz_shed: but that was a long long time ago
05:12 PM robinsz_shed: you'll have to dig 20 years back in the mail archives ...
05:15 PM Tom_L: so the accels are ok now?
05:16 PM robinsz_shed: no
05:16 PM robinsz_shed: adding that missing file made no difference
05:16 PM robinsz_shed: im not even sure what that monitor file does? detects if the pendant gets tunred off?
05:17 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, see https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.doTo3jzGFDrdTYA_0TcNhAHaHg?pid=ImgDet&rs=1 look ESTOP
05:17 PM _unreal_: bottom left
05:17 PM robinsz_shed: anyway .. so I have the local .tcl file xhc-hb04.tcl
05:17 PM robinsz_shed: but its all a bit deep for me
05:19 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I'm just trying to figure out what pin is connected to on the uno
05:21 PM robinsz_shed: ok, time to go indoors, I'llpost a youtube
05:21 PM t4nk_freenode: happy newyear everyone
05:21 PM _unreal_: 6pm here
05:21 PM _unreal_: but happy new years to you
05:24 PM XXCoder: same for all
05:26 PM JT-Shop: robinsz_shed, sounds plausible
05:27 PM JT-Shop: one more glue up and I'm calling it a night
05:30 PM robinsz: and back in the house
05:32 PM lag_ is now known as lag
05:32 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ok so did a bunch of reading. there is no estop persay... that estop that is on my motor controller connects to the reset pin of the arduino
05:33 PM _unreal_: hehe netsplit and lag shows up perfect timing
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: robinsz: how many sheds do you own? :)
05:33 PM robinsz: not enough!
05:34 PM robinsz: never enough! I have a small shed in the garden, about 20'x20'
05:34 PM robinsz: small stuff is in there
05:34 PM andypugh_: A friend of mine rents 14 lockup garages.
05:34 PM robinsz: and an industrial unit with the bigger stuff
05:35 PM robinsz: latest big stuff addition was a pressbrake
05:35 PM robinsz: 2m x 30 tonne, 3 axis
05:35 PM andypugh_: Darn it! Had I known you had an industrial unit I woulf have gone through with my Deckel purchase and parked it with you :-)
05:36 PM robinsz: Ohh .. a Deckel!
05:37 PM robinsz: is it a big one?
05:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://friendica.utzer.de/display/bda1f7d04257013a4fc1005056264835
05:37 PM robinsz: there is always a lot of cast iron in the deckel maho stuff
05:37 PM andypugh_: I bought one of these, then was ralked out of it by the vendor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKEx1TEIRFQ
05:37 PM andypugh_: (talked out of it)
05:38 PM XXCoder: whats wrong with it?
05:38 PM XXCoder: also if you already bought it, how was you talked out of it?
05:38 PM andypugh_: Well, being bigger than my garage was the main issue :-)
05:38 PM robinsz: oh a small one
05:39 PM robinsz: not seen one that compact before, I bet you could have found space
05:39 PM XXCoder: sigh I dont have space even for small router
05:39 PM andypugh_: I made a 3D model, and it would fit, but I would have no access round it. At all. ]
05:39 PM robinsz: ahh
05:39 PM XXCoder: hm maintance access definitely a must
05:39 PM robinsz: my pressbrake is a "Bit cozy"
05:40 PM robinsz: I had to take the mezzanine out to lift it in
05:41 PM robinsz: https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/251793867_3291657541061754_7899672696035595226_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=tUElEEKdzt8AX_Bv-B6&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AT-9P53BayZNSY2SieyQ-1NwZmlHvdkj5OdgeJ_M7g_opg&oe=61D4C3A0
05:41 PM XXCoder: heck of a press
05:44 PM _unreal_: omg.... chocking on my own spit.....
05:44 PM robinsz: smaller than my last one ;) that was 100 tonnes and 4m
05:44 PM robinsz: https://youtu.be/PhXRdwXfhvM
05:44 PM robinsz: ^^ treacle
05:45 PM andypugh_: I have (nearly) done a LinuxCNC pressbrake config. It’s on the forum and a guy is making money from it, but backstop homing is a bit messy.
05:45 PM robinsz: this one is "interesting" ... it has two cylinders left and right in the top bit
05:45 PM robinsz: and two glass scales
05:45 PM JT-Shop: a machine shop in Harahan La was so crowded with machines they had to shuffle them around to get to one they needed
05:45 PM Tom_L: that looks like a product of the lopass to me
05:45 PM robinsz: with PWM mod to the servo valves
05:46 PM robinsz: so there is some effort in the "dont let the beam get too skewed" department if the hydraulics dont follow each other well enough
05:47 PM robinsz: oh .. do you want to the pick-and-place machine shed video as well?
05:47 PM robinsz: every shed shoudl have a smd pick and place ...
05:48 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, you live or are you new yearsing
05:48 PM robinsz: https://youtu.be/Kprq8nH6Nqc
05:48 PM robinsz: my shed is "quite full"
05:50 PM robinsz: Tom_L, since the only config option on the lopass is the coefficient ... between 0 and 1 and close to zero makes it worse ... and 1 is the default, I'm not sure what to do about that
05:50 PM _unreal_: ve7it, oh crap!!! I wonder if I also burned out my OPTO limit switches that I wanted to use as well???? I remember setting that up and it not working and I was so bumbed? I wonder if I burnt that control board out as well...... SIGH.
05:50 PM Tom_L: where does the ouput from the mpg go in hal?
05:50 PM XXCoder: robinsz: if youre making good profit out of shop, might be evenually time to move to larger shop
05:50 PM _unreal_: 100% fixable its just lm339 etc....
05:51 PM robinsz: XXCoder, the shed is just my hobbies
05:51 PM XXCoder: your hermit snail shop is getting too small, time to get new shell shop ;)
05:51 PM XXCoder: nice
05:51 PM robinsz: nothing in the shed is for anything other than personal amusement
05:52 PM XXCoder: prety much same for me, though I dont have room anymore
05:52 PM robinsz: infact ... quite a bit of the industrial unit is getting that way
05:52 PM JT-Shop: see you guys next year
05:52 PM robinsz: no one is buying multi-kilowatt audio amplifiers right now
05:52 PM robinsz: enjoy!
05:52 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: have great new years
05:52 PM robinsz: thanks for the assitance, as lways
05:52 PM Tom_L: happy new year JT-Shop
05:52 PM _unreal_: so I'm checking over my build book for my different cnc machines and. as i'm looking at my laser build I'm noticing that for some @%!@#$%@#$ reason i never wrote down the pins I hooked the external hardware to on the stepper motor hat.... granted IT its self is very well labled..... I dont want to open the machine to figure out which "version" I have is sigh.....
05:53 PM roycroft: happy new year
05:55 PM XXCoder: i saw this and it was funny: "that moment you realize 2022 can be said as 2020 too"
05:55 PM JT-Shop: I should have rolled the cannon out and fired a few rounds...
06:02 PM robinsz: Yep ..
06:02 PM robinsz: is it a big one?
06:03 PM JT-Shop: 1/2 scale of a civil war 6 pounder so aye it's big
06:03 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ?
06:03 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/cannon/cannon.xhtml
06:03 PM JT-Shop: time to cook some chow
06:04 PM robinsz: didn't we talk some about barrel casting techniques some years ago?
06:04 PM _unreal_: as in foundry work?
06:05 PM _unreal_: or wood
06:05 PM robinsz: takes what, 1/4 lb of black?
07:33 PM robinsz: so, it looks like I can't edit the Wiki, I logged in, but no edit link
07:34 PM XXCoder: need editing privalages for that
07:40 PM Tom_L: robinsz, there is a password to enable editing iirc
07:41 PM robinsz: Tom_L, yeah, that was turned off years ago iirc,
07:41 PM robinsz: for some years it was set to the mascot name
07:41 PM robinsz: but, no longer
07:42 PM Tom_L: says it still is
07:42 PM Tom_L: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BasicSteps
07:42 PM robinsz: oh wait
07:42 PM robinsz: doh!
07:43 PM Tom_L: last time i did one it was enabled
07:45 PM robinsz: yeah, I was having a brain fart ... all lower case worked
07:51 PM _unreal_: upper case...... lower case............... and I'm all out aaaahhh gum.....
07:55 PM _unreal_: robinsz, did you get it working
07:55 PM _unreal_: the pendent?
07:57 PM skunkwor1s: CaptHindsight[m]: thanks!
07:58 PM _unreal_: robinsz, I would assume the b04 and the b06 are identical in every setup aspect aside from having a few more I/O's to map
08:01 PM _unreal_: they both have 16 buttons. the b06 has a number of buttons setup as dual use "MACRO" an extera rotory switch for setting feed rate. and the two extra axis B/C
08:05 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, the pendant jog accel is very slow on his
08:05 PM Tom_L: if you know something about that would be helpful
08:08 PM _unreal_: no... sadly I've never delt with it. but I would assume it would be a multiplier call.
08:08 PM Tom_L: scroll up for his video of it
08:09 PM _unreal_: If anything I would look into the code for the 6 axis version and see how it handles feed rate
08:10 PM _unreal_: also maybe the pendent will share the feed rate with the GUI settings.
08:10 PM _unreal_: I'm assuuming he's already tried adjusting that
08:10 PM Tom_L: idk
08:11 PM Tom_L: kbd jog works fine
08:12 PM _unreal_: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/xhc-hb04.1.html
08:12 PM _unreal_: talks about feed rate
08:13 PM Tom_L: accel
08:18 PM skunkwor1s is now known as skunkworks
08:19 PM Tom_L: hi skunkworks
08:20 PM _unreal_: so this sucks looks like the dryer fucking died
08:20 PM Tom_L: so fix it. dryers aren't that complicated
08:22 PM _unreal_: dont feel great I just washed my sheets.... and they are all still a touch damp
08:23 PM _unreal_: sigh......
08:23 PM _unreal_: and everything is closed
08:23 PM _unreal_: I cant win
08:24 PM _unreal_: Oh ya so I talked to my father about the mosquito issue. his first words were. there are no sicknesses from those bastards that cause a sore though
08:34 PM XXCoder: mosquitos is #1 killer of human
08:34 PM XXCoder: not kidding, its a lot more than second place
08:40 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Gas or electric dryer?
08:40 PM _unreal_: elec
08:40 PM Bleepshop: Probably popped a heating coil. Got any small brass screws and nuts?
08:43 PM Bleepshop: I opened ours the last time it died and the nichrome element had popped. Took a pair of needle nose pliers, bent hooks on the broken ends and bolted them together with a small brass screw and nut. That was 6-7 years ago and still rattling along today. LOL
08:44 PM _unreal_: I may check that but I cant do that till he leaves
08:44 PM Bleepshop: Ah, housemate issues.
08:44 PM _unreal_: if it happend """"" """""" on my watch its all my fault.
08:44 PM _unreal_: ahh ya my father... I'm in his house because he was batteling stage4 cancer for the past 3 years
08:45 PM _unreal_: just cleared as of a month ago
08:45 PM _unreal_: but between my POS xwifes BS, the fake pandemic bs and layers layers layers and him being um-employed so I'm covering his bills. I'm kind of fucked. ever penny I had in savings is gone
08:46 PM XXCoder: :(
08:46 PM XXCoder: stop with "fake pandemic"
08:46 PM _unreal_: all I want to do is leave.
08:46 PM XXCoder: I know people who died from it
08:47 PM roycroft: please leave, then
08:47 PM * roycroft puts _unreal_ on timeout again
08:48 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Look at it this way... 100% of all divorces start with marriages. And they have the nerve to give divorces a bad rap... xD
08:48 PM _unreal_: best of all I would have made about 230k ISH $ this past year in my stocks but the company I work for has been going though services managers like water this past year...... they removed me from 99% " tech work " to 99% fiberglass
08:49 PM _unreal_: bleep my pos xwife tried to comit suiside this year. she was baker acted......
08:51 PM _unreal_: post that event, now shes preg from him and has a new new new boy friend. :( and my daughter is there for school vaca :( sucks. heh she keeps texting me DAD i CANT wait to come home.
08:51 PM _unreal_: heh and the new new new newest BF is a video game aholic according to my daughter.
08:51 PM _unreal_: so I'm taking apart this device
08:51 PM _unreal_: torgus model paum30
08:52 PM _unreal_: more or less a mouse
08:52 PM _unreal_: I'm trying to figure out if I can TAP the DPAD
08:53 PM _unreal_: only 3 wires going to a little UC
08:53 PM _unreal_: I need to do some research but I wonder if this is both RF and optical wireless?
08:57 PM _unreal_: damn does not look like anyone has hacked it
08:57 PM _unreal_: I was thinking if I prob it and find a TX...
08:57 PM _unreal_: its just a matter of solving the data string.
09:10 PM roycroft: it will be decision time soon
09:11 PM roycroft: all my life a new year's eave tradition has been to watch a marx brothers film
09:11 PM roycroft: because when i was a wee lad, wgn would show one on new year's eve (perhaps they still do?)
09:11 PM roycroft: i have not chosen this year's film
09:12 PM _unreal_: LOTR
09:14 PM roycroft: perhaps animal crackers would be good this year - it's been a while since i watched it
09:14 PM unterhaus: kicad download will be done in a day
09:14 PM roycroft: horray for captain spaulding, the african explorer
09:23 PM _unreal_: ???????? in a day
09:23 PM _unreal_: what are you on 14.4 modem?
09:23 PM t4nk_freenode: roycroft ... I should be getting some happy birthday mails today too ;)
09:24 PM roycroft: you were born on the epoch as well?
09:24 PM t4nk_freenode: as far as amazon is concerned... yep ;)
09:28 PM t4nk_freenode: look... I've been probing ALL night .. without accidents
09:28 PM t4nk_freenode: except the one just now ;)
09:28 PM t4nk_freenode: *sigh*
09:28 PM t4nk_freenode: I don't like that man :((
09:29 PM t4nk_freenode: anyhow, I was smart enough to use a fat bit upside down
09:29 PM t4nk_freenode: anyhow... gnight.
10:00 PM robinsz: ah well, I shall continue my mpg pendant acceleration fun tomorrow
10:00 PM robinsz: how hard can it be?
10:01 PM _unreal_: robinsz, have you
10:01 PM roycroft: that depends on how much champagne you enjoy tonight
10:01 PM robinsz: and have to order another HB04
10:01 PM _unreal_: checked into macros?
10:01 PM robinsz: or trade for the HB06
10:01 PM _unreal_: robinsz, I doubht its an issue with the device
10:01 PM _unreal_: I would see if you can setup a MACRO for feed rate
10:01 PM robinsz: pity, as the HB06 is a nicer unit I think
10:02 PM _unreal_: press hold. turn wheel
10:02 PM _unreal_: there is the windows software for creating custom macros on those devices
10:32 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
11:15 PM _unreal_: yay new years
11:20 PM Bleepshop: Little less than 2 hours to go here.
11:24 PM _unreal_: god I just wish my thought would stop hurting