Dec 30 2021
06:53 PM andypugh: robinsz: I think that you need to look at the first conflict message, then look through the existing HAL files to see where the pin is being netted. I think that in most cases the fix will be to make the signel name in the new XHC code match the existing signal name associates with the pin (or, vice-versa)
07:20 PM robinsz: andypugh, I'll have to go and copy the files off from the machine in the shed and bring them back ...
07:20 PM robinsz: or see if I can VNC into it ...
07:20 PM robinsz: back shortly
07:22 PM andypugh: ssh -Y, dude...
07:27 PM XXCoder: lol thats cool. ice cool. https://youtu.be/ND5O0BMW3Sk
07:28 PM XXCoder: whats interesting is his solution to spindle blowing hot air into ice
07:29 PM CloudEvil: Be willing to sacrifice?
07:29 PM XXCoder: sorry no spoilers heh
07:33 PM robinsz: connectivity between the shed and house is patchy ... ive brought the Pi inside
07:44 PM robinsz: ah poop, and now we are into the "I can't see the MESA card" problems if its not connected to the mill
07:47 PM andypugh: How are your HAL files structured? Possibly you can just comment-out the Mesa HAL in the INI?
07:48 PM robinsz: I have no clue andy, its just however pncconf does it ...
07:48 PM robinsz: looking now
07:51 PM robinsz: theres a hal for the mesa stuff, but leaving that out causes more problems, this is going to need to be done in the shed I think
08:07 PM andypugh: Run a long CAT5 temporarily?
08:09 PM robinsz: its way too far for that
08:11 PM robinsz: the actual signal to the shed is fine, its the combination of 5ghz wireless links and wifi extenders needed to get the machine to connect to the wifi that muck it up
08:12 PM robinsz: it would be better if the Pi just connected to the wired network
08:13 PM robinsz: but the ethernet port is used for the Mesa
08:14 PM andypugh: USB to Ethernet Dongle?
08:15 PM robinsz: anyhoo ...
08:16 PM robinsz: maybe its possible to fix some and I'll get the hang of it
08:20 PM robinsz: so in the "two signals trying to share a pin" thing you posted above, what's the solution? Presumably its possible to jog from multiple sources?
08:22 PM andypugh: All things are possible in HAL. Bit, for example, if you have two sources of MPG pulse counters you would need to add them together to make both active.
08:25 PM _unreal_: I cant believe how many mosquitos are on the ceiling in the living room......
08:25 PM _unreal_: its just mind blowing
08:31 PM robinsz: maybe ... digging the config off my router, which is Mesa based will work
08:31 PM _unreal_: ??????? mesa based router?
08:31 PM _unreal_: Ithink I may be confused hehe
08:39 PM andypugh: I think this is a case where Robin needs a router for his router.
08:39 PM robinsz: the router for the router is fine its the router for the mill that is milling about that is the problem
09:17 PM robinsz: I wish I understood this
09:26 PM Tom_L: i put a mirrored wifi in my garage
09:26 PM Tom_L: extended router
09:30 PM _unreal_: I'm suprised mesa has not added toslink for data transfer protocal
09:42 PM roycroft: i have wifi in my garage from the ap that is in the middle of my house, but it does not reach to the fabrication shop
09:42 PM roycroft: i strung an ethernet cable out to that shop, and put an ap in it
09:43 PM roycroft: that gets me wifi on that whole half of the property
09:48 PM Tom_L: i've got ethernet out to there with an old router on the end of it i tuned into an extender
09:50 PM Tom_L: browsing doesn't work too good on the mill pc because it's slow but i can do irc ok on it
09:51 PM Tom_L: it's wired though, not wifi
09:51 PM Tom_L: seems colorado is on fire
09:52 PM XXCoder: isnt it cold there?
09:52 PM _unreal_: hate it when snow burns
09:52 PM _unreal_: white fire
09:52 PM Tom_L: aparently very windy too
09:53 PM Tom_L: 2 towns evacuated
09:54 PM XXCoder: :( bad time
09:55 PM Tom_L: https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/30/weather/colorado-wildfires/index.html
09:56 PM bobbytables: https://twitter.com/hagre/status/1476731519070707726/photo/1
09:56 PM roycroft: yeah, major wildfires there
09:56 PM roycroft: but there could be a blizzard tomorrow
09:57 PM _unreal_: questoin for you guys....
09:57 PM Tom_L: we're supposed to get a little bit of that
09:57 PM _unreal_: so
09:58 PM Tom_L: it's been real dry here
09:58 PM roycroft: you can have as much of our precipitation as you wish
09:58 PM Tom_L: :)
09:58 PM roycroft: just send me a shipping label and i'll package up as much as you and send it your way
09:59 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: Major winds today. Going to work, 70MPH down the freeway, 45MPH tailwind. Great gas mileage. LOL
09:59 PM _unreal_: I have this lazy Suzan more or less. the base is plastic many mounting screws, the base has a huge 6" plastic :/ bearing setup, and it has on top a 3/8" by 8" diam aluminum plate. the plastic base is also notiched it is/was a timing belt pully.
09:59 PM _unreal_: I have the belt for it. what would you guys do with it? again the bearing may be huge but its 100% plastic so its not a high load system
10:00 PM roycroft: i decided that since i suddenly have the day off tomorrow, i'm not going to spend any more time on my solidworks assembly tonight
10:00 PM Tom_L: getting anywhere with it?
10:00 PM _unreal_: I was thinking it could be a nice tool change setup BUT I dont have a tool change spindle nor am I about to get something like that for a new cnc machine that is going to be in my room as is the other one currently
10:01 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: R2? Dalek? Rotary sushi thingamy?
10:01 PM roycroft: i only took one solidworks class, and did not cover the troubleshooting and diagnostic tools that it has - that is covered in the second course
10:01 PM roycroft: so i'm going to read up on that stuff tonight
10:01 PM Tom_L: i took zero solidworks classes but did take a few catia
10:01 PM roycroft: i may just recreate the assembly from scratch tomorrow
10:01 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, temping to aluminum is hazardous to one's health when it comes to ingestion
10:01 PM roycroft: saving the current one, so that i can further troubleshoot it later
10:01 PM Tom_L: i really didn't try much assembly with sw
10:02 PM _unreal_: roycroft, why dont you take the rest of the year off
10:02 PM Tom_L: maybe a couple small ones
10:02 PM roycroft: i have the rest of the year off work, other than a maintenance i have to do at 5am tomorrow
10:03 PM roycroft: i really want to get moving on this cnc router, though
10:03 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, I'm toying with the idea of building a custom base to re-mount the stepper
10:03 PM Tom_L: how many part files does the assembly have?
10:03 PM roycroft: so i'll be spending heaps of time wiht cad
10:03 PM roycroft: a dozen or so
10:03 PM roycroft: but some of the files are assemblies
10:04 PM Bleepshop: And Hurray! Everybody at work survived my haywire-hotwire of the molder, It's not needed again till the 12'th and the parts to fix it right will be here Friday
10:04 PM roycroft: and i'm dropping multiples of some of those assemblies into the main assembly
10:04 PM roycroft: there's probably between 100 and 200 parts total, including fasteners
10:04 PM Tom_L: you probably saw mine.. i didn't get extremely detailed with it
10:05 PM Tom_L: no fasteners but locations for some of them
10:05 PM roycroft: i'm trying to learn solidworks better as part of this project
10:05 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Column_Mill_VMC.jpg
10:06 PM Tom_L: the trucks, slides and screws were from hywin
10:07 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: Is it just me or is that a tiny spindle?
10:07 PM Tom_L: it's a sherline spindle i robbed and used since i had so many holders already
10:08 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Spindle/Spindle_motor1.jpg
10:08 PM roycroft: i've been getting my linear motion drawings from grabcad
10:16 PM Tom_L: i should pull my class drawings and go thru them again.. i'm getting a bit rusty since i don't use it alot
10:16 PM roycroft: that happens
10:17 PM roycroft: that's a big reason this project is going slowly for me - i haven't used solidworks much in a long time
10:17 PM Tom_L: they assign 10? i think.. i did all the ones they had which was ~140 or so in class time
10:18 PM roycroft: i could have drawn all the parts in autocad with three views plus whatever auxiliary views needed in much less time than it's taking me with solidworks
10:18 PM Tom_L: i could usually do 3-5 or more each class
10:18 PM Tom_L: sry, i don't like acad
10:19 PM roycroft: i can't say that i like it a lot
10:19 PM roycroft: but i've been using it for so long i'm very efficient with it
10:19 PM roycroft: for 2d stuff
10:19 PM Tom_L: i knew a guy that loved it for 3d
10:20 PM roycroft: i tried the 3d stuff with it
10:20 PM Tom_L: he had ncpolaris for it and used it in their shop
10:20 PM roycroft: we got solidworks instead :)
10:20 PM roycroft: but in fairness to autodesk, that was with autocad 2008, which barely had any 3d features
10:20 PM Tom_L: this would have been prior to that iirc
10:28 PM roycroft: it was barely useful for 3d at the time
10:28 PM roycroft: this guy musth have been nuts
10:28 PM roycroft: must
10:28 PM Tom_L: well he kinda was
10:28 PM roycroft: inventor was better
10:28 PM roycroft: fusion360 seems fine
10:28 PM roycroft: except for the licensing and calling home crap
10:28 PM Tom_L: but using something every day, day in and out you get to know it
10:28 PM roycroft: yes
10:28 PM roycroft: and that's why i use autocad so much
10:28 PM roycroft: it's familiarity, not love of the product
10:28 PM Tom_L: i _was_ that way with catia but i find myself forgetting things now
10:28 PM roycroft: i'm seriously thinking about getting a vectric product when i get my router working
10:28 PM roycroft: so that would be yet another cad package to learn
10:30 PM roycroft: and does not require calling home periodically
10:30 PM roycroft: i can buy it, install it, and use it forever
10:30 PM roycroft: like software used to work :)
10:31 PM roycroft: and all the vectric products come with a linuxcnc post-processor
10:31 PM Tom_L: M$ encouraged the phone home thing
10:31 PM roycroft: yes
10:31 PM roycroft: i like what bill gates is doing for the world with his money now
10:32 PM roycroft: i dislike what he did to the software industry while making that money
10:49 PM skunkworks: I just put the xp vm back on my laptop so I can run acad 12
10:49 PM skunkworks: I think I have 2000 on there to.. But a gravitate to 12
10:51 PM Tom_L: i had recent student copies of acad, mastercam, catia and maybe a couple others
10:51 PM Tom_L: never found time to look at them all
10:51 PM roycroft: acad 10 was the first version i used
10:51 PM Tom_L: the kids did
10:51 PM roycroft: i worked at a computer shop in the late '80s
10:51 PM Tom_L: i had acad on 5.25 floppies at one point
10:52 PM roycroft: it was an odd company - one side was the autocad side, and had one of the best autocad instructors in the world at the time
10:52 PM roycroft: he was always flying all over the planet to teach acad
10:52 PM roycroft: the other side sold accounting software
10:52 PM roycroft: i worked on that side, in charge of unix-based accounting stuff
10:53 PM roycroft: but i learned autocad while i was there
10:54 PM roycroft: that was before it ran on windows
10:55 PM Tom_L: i still have the dos version of my cad cam loaded on an old pc
10:56 PM Tom_L: it was 2.5d though
11:38 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: I've ogt an old PC with Fedora 34 and a bunch of XP, 7, debian, and ubuntu VMswith whatever would install or run under Wine in that particular distro. V-Carve, Aspire 11 trial, and a few others.
11:47 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, I'm dieing to redo this laptop I was given. but I cant do anything with it till I go to my neighbors house and try to recover the last of the photos from it. which are all on onedrive. With luck she will have the password.