#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 21 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:09 AM randy: morning
01:39 AM Deejay: moin
01:45 AM XXCoder: Happy winter solstice everyone
03:48 AM t4nk_freenode: ok, I'm grumpy now.... guess what
03:48 AM t4nk_freenode: broke another 2 bits
03:48 AM t4nk_freenode: 1 by probing without a probe attached
03:48 AM t4nk_freenode: ;)
03:48 AM t4nk_freenode: and the first one ever in action
03:48 AM t4nk_freenode: guess the feed rate was too low
03:49 AM t4nk_freenode: ehh... too high, because I set my rpms too low
03:50 AM t4nk_freenode: that was a first in any case
03:50 AM t4nk_freenode: happend while... carving... my ... *sigh*.. NAME onto the pcb ;)
03:50 AM t4nk_freenode: oh vanity, thy areth so cruel
03:55 AM t4nk_freenode: I had 20degrees bits, now ordered 15 and 30
03:55 AM t4nk_freenode: guess the 15 ones will break sooner
03:56 AM t4nk_freenode: down to my last one now, I guess I'll be done soon
03:57 AM t4nk_freenode: so I decided I will print an emergency stop as soon as I'm done; I keep neglecting to do so
05:04 AM Tom_L: morning
05:06 AM Tom_L: 24F
05:30 AM t4nk_freenode: moaning
05:31 AM t4nk_freenode: 38.7
05:32 AM t4nk_freenode: dunno man.. this is gonna take a little more effort than I already put in
05:32 AM t4nk_freenode: beginning to suspect that the bits are a 'bit' inconsistent here
05:33 AM t4nk_freenode: mixed results
05:37 AM JT-Shop: morning
05:39 AM JT-Shop: 31°F
05:40 AM t4nk_freenode: I think it might be like with tyhe drill bits.. couldn't dent the metal with the cheap ones, and the expensive ones were brilliant
05:40 AM t4nk_freenode: *sigh*
06:09 AM Loetmichel: t4nk_freenode: hehe, bits like these? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14784&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
06:10 AM t4nk_freenode: exactly ;)
06:10 AM t4nk_freenode: though that's a straight one compared to mine
06:13 AM Loetmichel: i did that in a battery drill
06:13 AM Loetmichel: onehanded
06:13 AM Loetmichel: while reversing the stuck bit out of some plastic (!)
06:17 AM t4nk_freenode: I must admit that I have never seen such a thing in my llife
06:18 AM t4nk_freenode: it's almost craft-like
08:01 AM pere: is there a asciidoc expert in the channel?
08:09 AM unterhaus_: pere, maybe on linuxcnc-devel channel?
08:11 AM pere: unterhaus_: no-one responded there yet, so not so sure.
08:12 AM unterhaus_: okay, I guess it's good to try here. Not sure we have any experts really
08:12 AM unterhaus_: andy is an expert at knowing everything
08:14 AM pere: I wonder how to adjust the visual presentation of a asciidoc table, to look like gcode.html.
08:47 AM JT-Shop: pere, just ask the question
08:48 AM pere: JT-Shop: it is more a request for guidance than a question... :)
09:02 AM unterhaus_: pere, I understand being stuck at the beginning, but nobody will feel compelled to answer a non-question
09:04 AM pere: unterhaus_: no worries, I'll just spend my time on something else, then. :)
09:06 AM roycroft: omicron has arrived in my county
09:06 AM roycroft: it's going to be a rough month or so
09:06 AM aaroncnc: just a rough month?
09:07 AM jdh: heh
09:08 AM roycroft: epidemiologists are predicting that pretty much everybody is going to either get it within a month or so of its arrival or will be vaccinated and not get it even though exposed to it
09:08 AM roycroft: predictions are for the biggest spike yet in infections followed by a huge drop a month later
09:42 AM roycroft: happy yule everyone, btw
09:54 AM * roycroft is looking forward to having more daylight
10:03 AM roycroft: the chance of snow in christmas day is up to 75% now, but it's also not supposed to start until 8pm
10:03 AM roycroft: still, if it does snow, i think it will be the first time it's snowed on christmas since i've lived in eugene
10:03 AM internut: hey all
10:03 AM internut: We're getting 60 deg today (denver
10:09 AM roycroft: denver is crazy land when it comes to weather
10:09 AM roycroft: it's warm today
10:09 AM roycroft: you could have a blizzard tomorrow
10:09 AM roycroft: and it could be warm again on thursday
10:24 AM internut: yup
10:24 AM internut: where are you?
10:24 AM internut: or more generally, where are folks?
10:35 AM roycroft: i am in western oregon
10:35 AM roycroft: in my world sunglasses and an umbrella are carried daily
11:01 AM pere: I'm above the arctic cirle in norway. :)
11:06 AM JT-Cave: I'm in the Beer Cave eating lunch
11:32 AM roycroft: and now the snow is forecast through thursday of next week, starting saturday night
11:32 AM roycroft: i guess my gazebo will be getting the snow load test
11:32 AM roycroft: i hope i built it sturdily enough
11:37 AM roguish[m]: JT-Cave: hey, Mr. Beer. what's a good size keg for a small kegerator?
11:38 AM roycroft: are you homebrewing or purchasing from a pub/distributor?
11:38 AM JT-Cave: I used corny kegs
11:38 AM roycroft: that's standard for homebrewers
11:38 AM roycroft: 5 gallons those are
11:39 AM roycroft: if you're buying kegs from a pub, 1/2bbl (15.5 gallons) is the standard size
11:39 AM JT-Cave: if anyone wants some corny kegs they just have to pay shipping on them from me
11:39 AM unterhaus_: it occurs to me that you could use the jaws of a 4 jaw chuck to find the balance
11:41 AM roguish[m]: roycroft: JT-Cave I want to make a kegerator for simple fizzy water. I have a CO2 tank and all and make fizzy water by the liter. need to scale it up..........
11:41 AM roycroft: those things are worth their weight in gold these days, jt-shop
11:41 AM roycroft: er
11:41 AM roycroft: jt-cave
11:41 AM roycroft: roguish[m]: send jt-cave money for shipping corny kegs
11:41 AM roycroft: that was their original use - they come from the soft drink beverage industry
11:43 AM roguish[m]: https://www.morebeer.com/products/corny-keg-5-gallon-ball-lock.html
11:43 AM roycroft: some dorm refrigerators are tall enough to hold a corny keg
11:43 AM roycroft: if you want to keep things really compact, though, you can purchase ball lock 2-1/2 gallon kegs
11:43 AM roguish[m]: but here's a 2.5 gallon...............
11:43 AM roguish[m]: https://www.morebeer.com/products/corny-keg-25-gallon-ball-lock.html
11:43 AM roycroft: but you'll pay $100 or so for them
11:44 AM roycroft: it sounds like you only need one, though
11:44 AM roycroft: perhaps two at most, if you want to pre-carb one so that you never run out
11:45 AM roguish[m]: JT-Cave: 5 gal, or 2.5 gal ???? what's your inventory?
11:45 AM JT-Cave: all 5 gal
11:46 AM roguish[m]: any idea of thipping cost to SF area? not fast. just nornal.
11:46 AM roguish[m]: shipping
11:46 AM JT-Cave: I'd have to weight one and find a box for it
11:47 AM roguish[m]: no worries..............
11:48 AM JT-Cave: if it's over 4 pounds then UPS is the best way to ship
11:49 AM roguish[m]: does the CO2 tank have to go inside the refer with the keg?
11:49 AM JT-Cave: no
11:49 AM roguish[m]: ok, i'll look for a cheap refer, without the freezer section.
11:50 AM roycroft: i keep mine outside
11:50 AM roycroft: so there's more room for refreshing beverages inside
11:51 AM roguish[m]: JT-Cave: hey, what's a good flux for brazing? i seem to remember that boraxo works.
11:52 AM roycroft: but if you put the co2 tank outside, be sure you know where the refrigerant lines are before you drill into the refrigerator to install the gas line
11:57 AM Loetmichel: roguish[m]: what roycroft says + the co2 bottle SHOULD not be cold!
12:11 PM roycroft: it doesn't really matter much if the co2 bottle is cold
12:11 PM roycroft: the main issue with it if it's cold is that you won't be able to fully empty it
12:11 PM Loetmichel: it does
12:12 PM Loetmichel: at 0°C the co2 pressure is pretty low. it may even freeze over in the bottle IF you have a high demand
12:12 PM Loetmichel: (aka draining the keg really fast)
12:13 PM JT-Shop: roguish[m], looks like 12 pounds shipping weight, email me your address and I'll check shipping
12:13 PM roycroft: sure, but nobody serves beer that cold unless it's total crap beer like coors or budweiser
12:13 PM roycroft: 8-15 degrees is the temperature range for serving beer
12:13 PM roycroft: and it won't freeze at those temps unless you open the valve wide and let it spew out really fast
12:16 PM unterhaus_: I decided I wanted a dust shroud for my angle grinder and they are shockingly expensive
12:16 PM unterhaus_: okay, maybe just the bosch one for $289
12:16 PM roycroft: print one :)
12:16 PM roycroft: you can buy a 3d printer for less than that
12:16 PM unterhaus_: yeah
12:17 PM unterhaus_: I feel like I'm missing something, the Dewalt for my angle grinder is $90 at lowes
12:17 PM roycroft: and there is always cardboard and duct tape
12:17 PM roycroft: and various coating resins if you need it to be more durable
12:18 PM unterhaus_: and if you want a dust shroud for tuck pointing, which I do, pony up another $100
12:18 PM roycroft: that reminds me
12:18 PM roycroft: i never printed the fan shrouds for my new hot end
12:18 PM unterhaus_: I was thinking about carboard and duct tape
12:18 PM roycroft: i should get on that now, so i can install it at some point
12:19 PM unterhaus_: actually, I was thinking about setting the shopvac nozzle down on the floor in a strategic position
12:24 PM unterhaus_: I want to convince my client, an electrical engineer, that he should let me design the mechanical parts of his device
12:25 PM unterhaus_: he has wasted so much time getting people to weld things up crooked
12:25 PM unterhaus_: it's starting to really be a source of unhappiness for me
12:52 PM Tom_L: unterhaus_, tell him the price will go up exponentially if you have to fix others' fuckups
12:52 PM unterhaus_: so far there has been nothing to fix
12:53 PM unterhaus_: I just showed him what the problems were and asked him what he wanted me to do
12:53 PM unterhaus_: almost convinced him to use 80/20 extrusions, maybe this time around he will
01:05 PM unterhaus_: at least I got one of my projects done, a die set for my diacro bender
01:06 PM Tom_L: steel?
01:07 PM roycroft: i got all my vms moved/ugraded finally
01:07 PM Tom_L: my bud made a set of progressive roll form dies for the neighbor once, they specialized in roll form parts
01:07 PM roycroft: and i just started printing the fan shrouds for my hot end
01:08 PM roycroft: the webcam that i use to monitor my printer stopped working a while back, and i was just getting ready to order a new one, but when i started this print, the webcam came back online
01:08 PM roycroft: it must have known it was going to be replaced if it was slacking
02:39 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: 94595
02:41 PM JT-Shop: roguish[m], stamps does not give a rate on a zip code
02:50 PM XXCoder: interesting project https://youtu.be/soilhUMcS2s
02:51 PM XXCoder: uses quite small mill/lathe
02:52 PM roycroft: jet just informed me that table inserts for my band saw are expected in mid-april
02:53 PM Tom_L: so in actuality mid august
02:53 PM roycroft: maybe
02:53 PM XXCoder: of 2023
02:53 PM roycroft: i'll just have to make one
02:54 PM Tom_L: what about the table?
02:54 PM roycroft: it's not a huge deal to do so, but it's the principle that i purchased a machine that was supposed to be functional and it's missing parts
02:54 PM roycroft: the table is still mid-january
02:54 PM roycroft: i can use it with the current table, it's just a pain in the butt
02:55 PM roycroft: i have to tap the alignment pin in with a hammer whenever i change the blade
02:55 PM roycroft: and i have to use vice grips to remove it
02:55 PM roycroft: and that's after i lift up on the section that's warped down really hard
02:55 PM roycroft: it drops about 3/16" when i pull the pin
02:56 PM XXCoder: man the end point is amazing
02:56 PM roycroft: that may not seem like a lot, but it's not easy to lift that section 3/16" while trying to insert the pin
02:56 PM roycroft: in my mind, jet have turned into just another importer of crappy chinese goods
02:57 PM roycroft: they used to be at the high end of that category
02:57 PM roycroft: but now they're no different than harbor freight
02:57 PM XXCoder: dunno, I think HF took a few steps down meanwhile
03:00 PM roycroft: they've actually gone in both directions
03:01 PM roycroft: their usual crap has gotten somewhat worse
03:01 PM roycroft: but they have a line of welders and air tools that are much improved over what they used to carry
03:02 PM roycroft: they're still not top-notch, but they're at least pretty decent now, some of them
03:04 PM roycroft: i'm probably being unfair to jet, but their quality and, especially, customer service, are nowhere near what they used to be
03:05 PM roycroft: and i'll try to consider the supply side issues that all manufacturers are experiencing
03:05 PM roycroft: my insert and table are probably both circling around just offshore in southern california
03:06 PM roycroft: waiting for an opportunity to dock, so that the containers they are in can sit in the port for months before a truck can haul them away to a warehouse
03:06 PM roycroft: and jet get to pay storage fees for the entire time the containers are sitting on the dock
03:08 PM roycroft: man, i paid off my car loan a month ago, and my credit score has dropped 40 points because of that
03:09 PM roycroft: it's a good thing it was really high to begin with
03:13 PM Tom_L: i hardly ever look at mine
03:17 PM roycroft: i get email alerts when it changes
03:18 PM roycroft: usualy once every month or to i check - just in case something funny is going on
03:19 PM XXCoder: how do you check anyway, besides from once a year free ones
03:19 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop:
03:19 PM roycroft: almost all my bank accounts and credit card accounts have a fico score checker feature
03:20 PM roycroft: most of them just show the score and the score history
03:20 PM roycroft: a couple of them have slightly more detailed information, such as how many open accounts
03:20 PM Tom_L: they're usually lower than a hard check will result in
03:20 PM roycroft: none of them have a full credit report though - that you have to get from the credit bureaus or from freecreditreport.com
03:21 PM roycroft: well even with the 40 point drop i'm still well over 800, so i'm fine
03:21 PM roycroft: but that's kind of the crappy thing about credit scores
03:22 PM roycroft: if you pay off your debt on time it actually lowers your score
03:22 PM Tom_L: mine hovers in the mid to upper 8's when i ever do check
03:22 PM roycroft: if i went out and got a loan today my score would shoot right back up, because now i owe money again
03:22 PM XXCoder: my score is just ok lol
03:22 PM XXCoder: probabloy because I paid off college and car
03:23 PM Tom_L: back in 20, she was concerned when we went to the dealer for 3 hondas
03:23 PM Tom_L: still got the lowest rate possible and no questions asked
03:24 PM roycroft: i think 750 is the floor for getting the best rates now
03:24 PM roycroft: it used to be 720
03:24 PM roycroft: so as long as i stay above 800 i'm perfectly happye
03:24 PM Tom_L: you can't buy anything now though
03:24 PM roycroft: there's nothing to buy
03:25 PM Tom_L: their lots look like they closed for good
03:25 PM XXCoder: I wont get best rates heh
03:25 PM roycroft: if you want a car, the car will be 98% assembled at the factory, but the remaining 2% is for parts that are unavailable
03:25 PM roycroft: especially computer chips
03:26 PM roycroft: you can buy a house for 50% over market value if you're really lucky and show up first to get it
03:26 PM Tom_L: things should revert to simpler times imo
03:26 PM XXCoder: so, no more irc?
03:26 PM Tom_L: i did bbs prior
03:27 PM XXCoder: its better to say we need better system than "simpler" system
03:27 PM Tom_L: no i stand by what i said
03:28 PM Tom_L: technology has broken the human experience
03:28 PM roycroft: i would not blame technology for that
03:29 PM roycroft: misuse of technology is what has broken the human experience
03:32 PM Tom_L: going for walks last summer, every single person be it single or groups were walking head down phone in hand
03:32 PM Tom_L: we were the odd ones
03:33 PM roycroft: i leave my phone at home when i go for a walk
03:34 PM roycroft: if i'm going on a long bike ride i'll carry it in case i have a puncture and need to call for help or something, and also so i can listen to music while riding
03:35 PM roycroft: i used to hang out on a channel on efnet that had a married couple who hardly ever spoke to each other
03:35 PM roycroft: they lived together, but each had their own office in their house
03:35 PM roycroft: and they communicated almost exclusively via irc
03:35 PM roycroft: i thought that was kind of nuts
03:44 PM JT-Shop: yippie today is the Winter Solstice up on the top side
03:44 PM XXCoder: yep
03:44 PM XXCoder: shortest day
03:44 PM roycroft: tomorrow we'll have one second more daylight than tody
03:45 PM JT-Shop: too bad the cold is lagging
03:45 PM JT-Shop: that much?
03:45 PM roycroft: i'm trying to decide what to do during that extra second
03:47 PM roycroft: i've already decided not to blink during it, as i don't want to waste it
03:48 PM Tom_L: what part of the day will it be added to?
03:48 PM roycroft: i'm not certain
03:48 PM roycroft: we had the earliest sunset of the year over a week ago
03:49 PM roycroft: so sunrise was happening later after that
03:49 PM roycroft: but i'm not sure how it works out when the days start getting longer
03:50 PM roycroft: so i'll just have to be sure not to blink right at sunrise tomorrow, and then again right at sunset
03:52 PM Tom_L: https://sunrise-sunset.org/search?location=eugene+Or
03:54 PM Tom_L: that says you gain 3 sec
03:54 PM roycroft: could be
03:54 PM roycroft: wunderground.com told me 1 second
03:55 PM Tom_L: who could really be sure anyway
03:55 PM roycroft: and it looks like sunrise and sunset are both later
03:57 PM roycroft: so that extra second or three will happen at the end of the day
03:57 PM unterhaus_: it has seemed like it's not as dark
03:57 PM Tom_L: you will have all day to prepare for it!
03:57 PM unterhaus_: but I guess not
03:58 PM Tom_L: cloud cover etc affect that too
03:58 PM unterhaus_: time to feed the dogs, they have thought that for the last 3 hours
03:58 PM Tom_L: mine are letting me know as well
04:05 PM unterhaus_: I wonder if anyone would notice if I heated up some 4130 in the toaster oven
04:06 PM unterhaus_: our dogs are very unreliable with their time telling, it's always dinner time according to them
04:17 PM roycroft: for a dog, it's dinner time any time its belly is not full
04:17 PM * JT-Shop wonders why anyone would want to toast 4130?
04:17 PM roycroft: and if its belly remains full for too long, it just regurgitates its recent dinner so it can be dinner time again
04:41 PM XXCoder: watching a "restoration" video. one where guy makes new one out of old parts
04:43 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/HLj2ASDWAeg
04:59 PM unterhaus_: JT-Shop going to braze two pieces of 4130 together, hoping that toasted 4130 will distort less so I don't have to do much machining after
04:59 PM JT-Shop: interesting
05:00 PM unterhaus_: I don't know if it will work, but just hitting it with a torch tends to make it distort badly if you aren't careful
05:03 PM JT-Shop: thin stock?
05:03 PM unterhaus_: it really doesn't have to be that thin.
05:03 PM XXCoder: wonder if can use oven or something to slow and evenly heat em up
05:03 PM unterhaus_: I was trying to think of what the straightening technique welders use
05:04 PM JT-Shop: ship builders use flame and mist to straighten aluminum sheet after welding on it
05:07 PM unterhaus_: yeah, well I'm trying not to distort it in the first place
05:07 PM unterhaus_: flame straightening is what welders seem to call it
05:07 PM solarwind: Why are my rivet nut mandrels made of mild steel lol
05:08 PM solarwind: The M3 one stripped all the threads off after setting like 10 rivets
05:08 PM unterhaus_: I swear there is a video of a Japanese guy bending exhaust manifolds with just a torch
05:09 PM unterhaus_: "how to bend your own exhaust pipe, part 22"
05:14 PM solarwind: unterhaus_ is that unusual?
05:15 PM solarwind: I mean I prefer to use a torch as well as my hands. Might be a bit difficult to bend with just a torch
05:17 PM unterhaus_: I think to do big bends you have to apply some force.
05:17 PM unterhaus_: welders often work on large beams where the force would be immense, and they do the straightening with just a oxy acetylene torch
05:18 PM unterhaus_: last time I looked at it, I found one where a guy's coworker had twisted a beam and he had to straighten it
05:18 PM unterhaus_: found a video
05:19 PM solarwind: I'm just being silly
05:19 PM solarwind: It's not that hard to bend
05:19 PM solarwind: Well cast iron is a whole other story
05:36 PM solarwind: I guess repairing The M3 mandrel should be easy enough - just TIG weld a blob of A-2 tool steel onto the end, anneal, thread, harden
06:05 PM solarwind: Also have some of this weird alloy they're so secretive about: https://weldingmaterialsales.com/catalog/3000/
06:05 PM XXCoder: lol funny that today, being winter solience, feels very cold
06:05 PM XXCoder: before it was just cold
06:05 PM solarwind: They won't say what's in it, but as-welded yield strength is 94,000 PSI
06:06 PM solarwind: I wonder what the hardness is. Whatever it is, must be harder than mild steel but still possible to thread with a HSS die
06:16 PM roycroft: it's raining here, and it feels normal
06:16 PM roycroft: 7 degrees at the moment
06:16 PM roguish[m]: just started raining here also. supposed to rain all week...........
06:16 PM roycroft: which is the average high for the day
06:17 PM roycroft: our rain is forecast to turn into snow on saturday night
06:17 PM roycroft: and then snow for the next week
06:17 PM roycroft: oh, i take that back - it's been updated
06:17 PM roycroft: it looks like the snow will turn to rain mid-day sunday, and then turn back to snow late sunday night
06:18 PM roycroft: and it is actually going to get cold next week - down to -7 on tuesday night
06:18 PM roguish[m]: maybe a dusting of snow on the tops of the local mounts. Diablo and Hamilton.
06:18 PM roycroft: er, -5 tuesday night, and -7 wednesday night
06:18 PM roguish[m]: never stays long
06:18 PM roycroft: and on thursday night as well
06:18 PM roycroft: the same here, normally
06:19 PM roycroft: at least on the valley floor
06:19 PM roycroft: snow usualy goes away in a day at most
06:19 PM roycroft: but it will often stick around for a week or more in the south hills
08:14 PM roycroft: aah, holiday decorations are up, just in time for longest night
08:21 PM XXCoder: lol
08:26 PM roycroft: i've scaled way back on the decorating these past few years, especially since the pandemic
08:26 PM roycroft: there's a tree farm i used to go to every year, for more than 20 years, to get a nice fresh cut tree
08:26 PM roycroft: a couple years ago i got a small, table top artificial tree
08:26 PM roycroft: and i'm fine with that
08:27 PM roycroft: i don't have to move furniture around and a bunch of other stuff to fit a big tree in the living room
08:27 PM roycroft: and for outdoor lights, if the weather is nice on the day i plan on putting them up, i'll do so
08:27 PM roycroft: but if it rains that day i don't bother any more
08:28 PM roycroft: sometimes scaled down is just as good or better than a big production
08:28 PM roycroft: at least that's my story tonight, and i'm sticking with it
08:34 PM robinsz: well, good news, I found out how to add the on-screen kbd to the rpi
08:35 PM robinsz: settings->add-remove-sotware->select "Gnome on screen kbd", apply ..
08:35 PM robinsz: bad news ... it wants me to type in the password ...
08:36 PM roycroft: can't you ssh to the pi and do it from the command line?
08:36 PM robinsz: probably
08:36 PM roycroft: or ssh with x forwarding and run the config app on your x server
08:37 PM robinsz: ho ho
08:38 PM robinsz: I assume the standard linuxcnc desktop is gnome, right?
08:50 PM roycroft: if that's what you installed
08:58 PM robinsz: I installed the linuxcnc distro off the website
09:43 PM roycroft: i don't know how they built that, sorry
10:03 PM Tom_L: jt has directions for stuff like that; like changing the user name etc from ssh
10:04 PM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/rpi4-ext.html
10:20 PM robin_sz: @Tom_L I think im sorted now
10:21 PM robin_sz: mesa card happily running
10:21 PM robin_sz: see you again
11:02 PM solarwind: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B003CCR97A/ref=wl_mb_wl_huc_mrai_3_dp Thoughts on this carbide hole saw set?
11:02 PM solarwind: Should last a while, yeah? I should be able to braze new carbide tips once those wear out
11:02 PM solarwind: This is mostly for drilling mild steel
11:12 PM Bleepshop: solarwind: You can drill holes in an old Cadilac all day with a set of those and barely take the edges off of them.
11:14 PM Bleepshop: I know somebody that use those to drill lightening holes in the frames and gussets on race cars.
11:16 PM solarwind: Yeah I figured as much
11:40 PM t4nk_freenode: Goodmoaning
11:41 PM t4nk_freenode: in all fairness; you can probably poke holes into an old Cadillac with your finger, without scratching a nail :b