#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 19 2021

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:47 AM snakedGT is now known as snaked
01:52 AM Deejay: moin
03:33 AM pere: wow, hungarian have passed russian on <URL: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/linuxcnc/#languages > and is gaining on german to complete the LinuxCNC program translation. :) Italian is on the other hand less then a A4 page of text away from reaching 100% translated. :)
05:16 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:18 AM Tom_L: morning
05:19 AM Tom_L: 14F
05:19 AM JT-Cave: 33°F
07:30 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
08:08 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
08:46 AM _unreal_: I'm really liking these SAT controller boxes I have. saddly I only have 2 of them but they have a nice toroidal 200va transformer, with two secondary's at 21vac, so in total 24v 19amps. not bad
11:55 AM XXCoder: interesting
11:55 AM XXCoder: https://hackaday.io/project/172446-samurai-120-cnc
12:02 PM _unreal_: ve7it, you live?
12:05 PM _unreal_: ve7it, What did you use to control the motors I sent you? I'm assuming an arduino??? if so would to chat with you and see if I cant mirror the setup so I can test the motors I have on hand. I want to see what the diferences are between the bldc's
12:11 PM _unreal_: Motor response, ramp up/down, max rpm
12:11 PM _unreal_: etc..
12:14 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Aw, it's cute. Is that an ER11 or an ER16 spindle?
12:15 PM XXCoder: no idea
12:15 PM XXCoder: only says "1kW Spindle motor and driver"
12:16 PM Bleepshop: 1KW? That'll be an ER11 more than likely.
12:16 PM XXCoder: yeah. pretty tiny machine
12:19 PM _unreal_: so I'm really kind of shocked. I finally got one of these BLDC motors with an encoder on it. that had a lable on it I could READ working values. all the others just had part numbers and zero info online at all.....
12:20 PM Bleepshop: I'm going to be looking for a couple of 12"x18"x0.75" chunks of 6061 to mill a new set of X/Y connector plates and add 6" to my Z travel. 48"x48"x2.5" is kind of annoying. I can't just rertact the Z to see the piece, I have to move the gantry.
12:20 PM _unreal_: its rated for 22 OZ/IN, same as the other motors with and with out encoders on them so far as I can tell. but the smaller motors are rated for 2150 RPM, and the big one is rated for 850 RPM, but the
12:21 PM _unreal_: current rating is very different, the 22 0z/in 850 rpm BIG motor with encoder is rated for .75 amp, but smaller motors 22 oz 2150 rpm is rated for 2.2A
12:22 PM _unreal_: So I'm now a little lost as to what I should do.
12:22 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Bigger diameter motor means less current draw for the same oz/in rating due to the added leverage afforded by the greater diameter.
12:22 PM _unreal_: they are both nema 23
12:23 PM _unreal_: the only difference is can length
12:24 PM _unreal_: the body of the ones with an encoder is about 1" longer and I mean motor body its self, + the encoder cap
12:24 PM Bleepshop: Don't take this the wrong way but, You can substitute diameter for length. ;D
12:24 PM _unreal_: thats what she said
12:24 PM XXCoder: 3 inch diameter, 1 mm long
12:25 PM Bleepshop: You should get that mole looked at. LOL
12:25 PM _unreal_: so ya I'm torn
12:25 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: That good of a Saturday night?
12:25 PM _unreal_: till I talk with ve7it and see about mirroing his bench test setup. I'm not going to have a good idea about the motors
12:27 PM _unreal_: not a great picture but you can see the smaller motor on the lower left and the bigger motor in the center. the big motor has an encoder onboard the other one does not https://drive.google.com/file/d/11rRfUwgvbw0m47y3En9ytUBXOHl5YvJn/view?usp=sharing
12:27 PM * Bleepshop has a drawer full of NEMA23 pullouts from scrapped industrial copiers/printers.
12:28 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, these are BLDC's from marine super yacht satellites
12:29 PM Bleepshop: Pitch/Roll/Yaw correction for the dish?
12:29 PM _unreal_: yes
12:29 PM _unreal_: the BIG domes on the big boats
12:29 PM _unreal_: they just throw them away, they are only got for about 3-5 years. just endlessly moving back and forth
12:29 PM ve7it: _unreal_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Komcmg7bpak
12:29 PM Bleepshop: I'd like to get my hands on the gyro pack that fed them.
12:30 PM _unreal_: ve7it, i'm looking for the setup info. wiring, code, hardware used
12:31 PM Bleepshop: ve7it: You need to stick a tape flag on that motor shaft so the rotation shows up in the vid.
12:31 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, I sent him those motors.
12:31 PM _unreal_: and the special controllers
12:32 PM _unreal_: each motor is like $300-500 USD at least if you buy them new for the sat's they come from.
12:34 PM Bleepshop: Neat. I'm looking at 3 of these to replace my X/X/Y and make thispuppy run closed loop. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Q82WBH9
12:38 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Those motors have amusing possibilities when combined with gearing like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMK6P9xvVFU
12:38 PM ve7it: _unreal_, https://ve7it.cowlug.org/seatel_uno_test.ino
12:42 PM ve7it: _unreal_, https://ve7it.cowlug.org/seatel_driver_uno_test.pdf
12:44 PM _unreal_: boy you wipped that up fast ;)
12:44 PM ve7it: _unreal_, https://ve7it.cowlug.org/seatel_driver.pdf
12:44 PM _unreal_: ve7it, so interesting fact unless you have read it already.... the encoder motor is rated for about half the RPM of the smaller motors with out encoders, yet the holding torque is the same
12:45 PM _unreal_: so now I dont know if the bigger encoder BLDC's are the better choice? or the smaller one's like I sent you with an external encoder tied to them are the better choice.
12:46 PM ve7it: _unreal_, pretty hard to guess at the motor specs without a full datasheet.. the 850 rpm you saw could just be the operating speed in the disk application
12:47 PM _unreal_: disk? as in encoder?
12:48 PM ve7it: sorry disk... you said they were geared 6:1... maybe 850*6 = 5100 rpm makes sense
12:48 PM ve7it: dish
12:48 PM ve7it: too early to type this morning
12:48 PM _unreal_: OH OH the dish its self. so the photos I showed you the other day the big pully thing has 60 teeth, the small one on the motor has 10
12:49 PM _unreal_: so 6:1 ratio, the motor its self on the working aspects of the motor, are 24v, 850 RPM, .75A for the big motor with the encoder, the small motors like I sent you. well you know the specs on them.
12:58 PM ve7it: _unreal... interesting... was dec 2019 when I last played with that stuff... are we having fun yet?
12:58 PM _unreal_: always
01:01 PM Tom_L: that would make it more rigid
01:01 PM ve7it: like use 2x6 Al tubing for the back structural section
01:02 PM Tom_L: or 1.5" plate :)
01:02 PM ve7it: Yup!
01:03 PM _unreal_: !#@$%@#$%^@!#%$!@#$ having issues saving the @#$@#$%@# pdf files. I dont get it
01:03 PM _unreal_: something is screwy with this computer ugh
01:03 PM _unreal_: hehe
01:04 PM ve7it: its called windows :}
01:04 PM _unreal_: I have .5" steel plate
01:04 PM Tom_L: or the op
01:04 PM Tom_L: not thick enough for that
01:04 PM _unreal_: the angle corners have slots for alignment
01:04 PM Tom_L: more places for slippage
01:04 PM Tom_L: i pin anything i don't want to move
01:05 PM _unreal_: heh I'll do that when I get it aligned
01:05 PM Tom_L: reamed hole is better than a sloppy bolt hole
01:05 PM ve7it: angle sections are usually not even close to 90 degrees.. especially the inside faces... they tend to be tapered sections
01:05 PM _unreal_: ya
01:08 PM Tom_L: i'll send ya a plate for that: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/5.jpg
01:10 PM _unreal_: holy hell thats some nice stock
01:10 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/4.jpg
01:10 PM ve7it: candy store
01:11 PM Tom_L: need a little roundbar? http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/9.jpg
01:12 PM _unreal_: if I had a lathe
01:12 PM Tom_L: check that page, there's all kinds of stock
01:13 PM Tom_L: their prices have gone up since well... you know
01:13 PM _unreal_: first I need to get the motor testing done. once I do that. Then I will solve how I'm planning on proceeding.
01:15 PM _unreal_: I have no shortage of choices. I have plenty of steppers and drivers. I have the ve7it servo build wich I have not finished but its ...... 95% the whole DIY build is done but ran into issues dont know where the issue is?
01:15 PM _unreal_: then I have these BLDC's
01:15 PM _unreal_: the dc servos I have are about an equal rating to these bldcs BUT they are sooooo much smaller
01:16 PM _unreal_: the bldc are so much smaller
01:34 PM Tom_L: how big are the BLDC motors?
01:34 PM _unreal_: nema 23
01:34 PM _unreal_: they are rated 22 OZ/IN
01:35 PM _unreal_: hence I'm going to gear them down. they are already setup for timing belt regardless. and the original hardware is very geared down
01:35 PM _unreal_: the MAIN turn axis was like 16:1 ratio
01:36 PM _unreal_: the pitch/yaw are 6:1
01:37 PM _unreal_: the only usable pullies for me are the 6:1's. Sadly only one axis has a usable 6:1 pully, the other one is a half circle heh
01:47 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: I'd come mug you but I'm afraid I'd get a hernia. LOL
01:48 PM _unreal_: catch me if you can......ouch.... ouch ouch......
01:48 PM Tom_L: sometimes it's more picked over than others. you just never know
01:48 PM Tom_L: but i can generally find what i need
01:48 PM Bleepshop: More like catch me if you want to because I'm not going anywhere soon... xD
01:49 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/heatsink_bulk.jpg
01:49 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: Got any 0.75" 6061 ?
01:49 PM Tom_L: i found that for my steppers
01:49 PM Tom_L: Bleepshop, i'm sure they do
01:49 PM Tom_L: the red is all 6061
01:50 PM * JT-Shop keeps quiet as a sick chicken is in the machine shop keeping warm and napping
01:52 PM Tom_L: they get brass roundbar cutoffs once in a while but they go real quick
01:55 PM _unreal_: ve7it, good lord you would not believe the hell I just went through to get the PDF's downloaded
01:55 PM _unreal_: it just would not let me download them. kept giving me connection not secure BS
01:55 PM _unreal_: freaking windows
01:55 PM _unreal_: had to transfer the HTML links to the phone to download
01:55 PM _unreal_: finally got it
01:55 PM _unreal_: :)
01:59 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, you would love the scraps that come from the sat's then. they have lots of steel blocks different sizes for balance
01:59 PM _unreal_: like 1"x4x4" .5x.7x4" etc.....
01:59 PM _unreal_: just all kinds of sizes
02:00 PM _unreal_: I mainly use any I keep as cnc bed hold downs for tooling :)
02:00 PM _unreal_: ve7it, did you design that PDF of the bldc driver its self? or did you find it online/
02:00 PM _unreal_: ?
02:01 PM _unreal_: NEVER MIND answered my own question
02:01 PM ve7it: I did nice work!
02:02 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I can confirm there are internal traces
02:02 PM _unreal_: 4 layer
02:04 PM _unreal_: ve7it, so looking at the ino code it just ramps the motor over and over.. ok
02:04 PM ve7it: _unreal_, my website uses self signed certificates... just make an exception in your browser and it wont complain any more. Or use the http version of the link and you wont get encrytion, but lately browsers are not letting you see http sites.
02:05 PM ve7it: if you were running linux, you could just wget the documents from the command line and be done with it!
02:06 PM _unreal_: could be becuase I was using explorer. I have a ton of taps open in chrome and I'm keeping chrome closed right now because it eats memory if left up for too long
02:06 PM _unreal_: wget would have been the first thing I had done
02:06 PM _unreal_: My linux laptop is the one that is signed to lightburn and lightburn is pay for software which is for driving my laser etcher.
02:08 PM ve7it: yah.. the .ino file is pretty simple, but does test the motor controller interface and the motors for proper operation
02:09 PM pere: cool, Russian passed Hungarian again on <URL: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/linuxcnc/#languages >. :)
02:09 PM _unreal_: ?
02:10 PM ve7it: I guess I should do a web page up with that info on it so it can be found a little easier... I forgot where I stashed all that stuff on my disk.
02:10 PM _unreal_: heh
02:10 PM _unreal_: hate it when that happens
02:10 PM _unreal_: ve7it, so at this point like I said, next is testing the bldc motors for ramping functions etc...
02:11 PM _unreal_: need to figure out what kind of control responce they are capable of.
02:11 PM t4nk_freenode: ve7it, just fyi, you cannot wget them, it refuses them ;)
02:13 PM _unreal_: ve7it, from your experience with them so far. what kind of ramp down/up reverse times do you think these bldc's may achieve?
02:16 PM ve7it: wget http://ve7it.cowlug.org/seatel_driver.pdf seems just fine here
02:17 PM t4nk_freenode: not on our end
02:17 PM t4nk_freenode: unless you use --no-check-certificate
02:17 PM ve7it: the https does complain about the certificates
02:17 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Fast enough to cope with 30+ derees of roll in heavy seas ?
02:17 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, boats down pitch and yaw very fast
02:18 PM _unreal_: especially the bigger they get
02:18 PM Bleepshop: I know, Dad used to install marine radar units among other things.
02:18 PM _unreal_: I mean your full heeling moment port to stb, left to right is never NEVER faster then 2-4 seconds
02:19 PM _unreal_: ahh
02:19 PM Bleepshop: That's why i said I wanted the gyro head that was providing the inputs for those. LOL
02:19 PM _unreal_: you do?
02:19 PM _unreal_: I have them
02:20 PM _unreal_: infact the last one I just took apart its all in one peace
02:20 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Frisbee sized disk or are they smaller now.
02:20 PM _unreal_: small
02:20 PM ve7it: _unreal_, will depend on the inertia of what you connect them to.... drivers limit the current available to the motors.. thats where you have to tune the servo loop to not exceed the hardware capacity or suffer the wrath of following errors
02:21 PM Bleepshop: Yeah, but you've got teh encoders so it'll be easy to load them down and see where they start skipping.
02:22 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, right now. I dont know which motors are the best choice
02:22 PM _unreal_: the small motors or the bigger one's the small one's are rated for 2.2amps the big ones are rated for .75A both are rated for 22 oz/in but the small one's are rated for 2x the RPM then the big one's that have onboard encoders
02:22 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Want some matched Nema23 bipolars?
02:23 PM _unreal_: thanks but I am drowning in steppers
02:23 PM _unreal_: :) I have STAINLESS STEEL steppers
02:25 PM ve7it: they are pretty small motors as far as servos go.. dont expect too much.. think in watts... those motors are maybe 25W servocs, I have 3 400W servos I want to use on a project but they are much bigger and heavier
02:26 PM _unreal_: ya its all a balance act
02:26 PM ve7it: yup... They would be fun to try on a 3d printer
02:30 PM _unreal_: its also interesting, the bigger motor does not feel as heavy when I hand turn the shaft back and forth. the smaller one's have more weight inertia
02:31 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, are you in the USA?
02:45 PM ve7it: Bleepshop, typo fixed... wget --no-check-certificate https://ve7it.cowlug.org/seatel_driver.pdf
02:52 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I=Vref/(10*R6), Enable can also be PWM'd
02:53 PM _unreal_: interesting. just wondering how much work it would take to convert the code from your DC servo design to drive this BLCD setup?
02:53 PM _unreal_: with encoder feed back
03:40 PM ve7it: a simple matter of programming!, but a new design on an stm chip with interface to 3 encoders and the triple motor driver board would probably where I would go with it.
03:46 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Yeah, New Mexico, clearing up the dust that's blown in with the morning wind. LOL
03:48 PM * Bleepshop has been rebuilding the tool cart with the $15 price tag from Habitat that they decided to toss instead.
03:50 PM Bleepshop: I gave them $1 for the remains after it hit the scrap bin and I've been rplacing missing bolts and replacing the remaining stamped sheet metal nuts with real flanged nuts.
03:51 PM XXCoder: not bad. how large is it
03:53 PM Bleepshop: 28x20x32 two tier. Like this. https://www.harborfreight.com/tool-storage-organization/tool-storage/tool-carts/16-inch-x-30-inch-steel-service-cart-5107.html
03:54 PM XXCoder: oh that
03:54 PM XXCoder: not bad if real cheap and cixable
03:55 PM Bleepshop: There are 48 1/4-20 screws that are supposed to hold it together. I've replaced 17 missing ones. LOL
03:56 PM XXCoder: strange that so many is missing
03:56 PM Bleepshop: The 16 of them holding the casters I replaced with old Ford fender bolts.
03:57 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Not really. Stamped steel nuts will fall off if you look at them funny.
03:57 PM XXCoder: lol ok
03:57 PM XXCoder: thats harbor fright stuff for you
03:58 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Wasn't HF. Just the HF cart looks like his one. And these nuts are a bad joke. http://optimascomponents.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1000x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/B/G/BGG33IMG_4.jpg
03:58 PM XXCoder: lol ok
03:58 PM XXCoder: yeah know what stamped steel nut is
04:00 PM Bleepshop: 3 of them fell of when I rolled it across the parking lot to the car. LMAO
04:00 PM XXCoder: fun lol
04:01 PM Bleepshop: And Big-R sells hardware by the pound so I bought a pound of 1/4-20 flanged nuts a while back just to have handy.
04:02 PM Bleepshop: And I'll pick up anohter bag tomorrow to replace the ones I used today.
04:02 PM Bleepshop: Beats hell out of driving 50 miles orund trip to the closest hardware store on a Sunday.
04:03 PM XXCoder: I bet
04:03 PM Bleepshop: Mon-Sat it's only 34 miles. LOL
04:13 PM XXCoder: lol way you put it, it sounds like magically length adjusting freeway
04:49 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, are you really interested in the GYRO?
04:50 PM _unreal_: its a 3 axis serial or spi interface so far as I know
04:50 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: No, It's just the closest one to me is closed on Sun and I have to go all the way to Santa Fe for hardware. Or I can restock what I used tommorow after work when I have to be <3 miles from Big-R in Las Vegas.
04:50 PM _unreal_: solid state
04:50 PM XXCoder: lol ok
04:50 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, ?
04:50 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: OK, so it's a MEMS unit and not a true spinner.
04:51 PM _unreal_: no moving parts
04:51 PM _unreal_: ahhh
04:51 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Has it got magnetometer output?
04:52 PM * Bleepshop is guessing it's a board about 40x40mm.
04:53 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, google this, it has 3 of them in the cube in tri axis setup crs 03-02s
04:54 PM _unreal_: ?
04:54 PM _unreal_: hum
04:56 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Cute. Rate gyros. 3 of them in an X/Y/Z mount?
04:56 PM _unreal_: yes
04:56 PM _unreal_: inside a small aluminum cube about 4x4x4 aluminum cube
04:56 PM _unreal_: "
04:56 PM _unreal_: aprox
04:57 PM Bleepshop: ±100°/sIs there a button on the side that calls forth Pinhead? ;D
04:58 PM _unreal_: they only have 3 wires no padd for a 4th
04:58 PM _unreal_: +v,GRD,data
04:59 PM _unreal_: its got a db9 connector on the box
04:59 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Yeah they output a voltage referenced to (VCC / ( ±°/s )).
05:02 PM Bleepshop: What I want is an old spinning mass unit. Like an pre-1990 shipboard or aircraft unit.
05:03 PM _unreal_: well hehe no boat uses anything like that now
05:03 PM _unreal_: not fo rthe last 20 years
05:05 PM Bleepshop: OK, That's funny, I had to replace all 48 nuts and 18 of the screws and I have exactly 1 flanged nut left over.
05:05 PM _unreal_: error
05:06 PM Bleepshop: That's my luck. I oculd have lost 1 and still finished this.
05:07 PM Bleepshop: Hooyray! A mobile horizontal surface. Otherwise known as a "Junk Magnet". LOL
05:18 PM * roycroft wonders why apple hate their users so much when they claim to love their users
05:18 PM _unreal_: liberals
05:19 PM roycroft: i guarantee that hate is non-factional
05:20 PM roycroft: and i would also characterize apple as "liberal"
05:20 PM roycroft: like most silicon valley companies, they're more libertarian than anything else
05:21 PM roycroft: all i know is that i had a lot to do today, i got my new iphone about 4 hours ago, and i'm still trying to get it configured properly
05:22 PM roycroft: with the end nowhere in sight
05:23 PM _unreal_: I've never had an issue using android
05:23 PM _unreal_: EVER
05:23 PM roycroft: i won't use google software
05:23 PM roycroft: EVER
05:24 PM _unreal_: :) then enjoy the rotten apple
05:24 PM _unreal_: LOL
05:24 PM _unreal_: you walked into that one LOL
05:24 PM roycroft: i don't know what you mean by that
05:24 PM roycroft: and i don't care
05:24 PM roycroft: i've had my rant, and i'm moving on
05:27 PM roycroft: i had to do two iso upgrades to the phone before it would restore the settings from my old phone
05:27 PM roycroft: now it's restoring the ios that i started with earlier today
05:28 PM roycroft: i've moved on, but the phone sync software obviously hasn't :)
05:31 PM roycroft: but my good news today is that my vfd finally shipped
05:31 PM roycroft: i don't need it for a while, but i needed it to be shipped this month to get my 5% cash back rewards on the purchase
05:38 PM JT-Shop: I have a sick hen in the Machine Shop so she can stay warm... smells like a barn yard in here but you do what you have to
05:41 PM roycroft: it's finally transferring data from my old iphone, after doing two ios upgrades, and then retrograding to the original one
05:42 PM roycroft: it also forced me to make a backup of my old iphone on my imac at the beginning
05:42 PM roycroft: then forced me to back up the new phone
05:42 PM roycroft: and now neither are connected to the imac
05:42 PM roycroft: they're just talking to each other via bluetooth
05:43 PM roycroft: i'm completely failing to comprehend the gymnastics involved in this
05:44 PM roycroft: exit
05:44 PM roycroft: ack
05:44 PM JT-Shop: time to call it a day
05:44 PM roycroft: i wish
05:45 PM roycroft: i have not accomplished anything yet today, and my list for the day is long
05:46 PM roycroft: but the new phone is rebooting now
05:46 PM roycroft: maybe it's finished enough that i can be finished with it for the day
05:46 PM andypugh: Does anyone have any experience in converting probed points into a CAD model?
06:09 PM Tom_L: andypugh, my kid did that for a while but i forget what software he used
06:09 PM Tom_L: i can see if he remembers
06:10 PM andypugh: I have looked at CloudCompare, but it doesn’t seem to be quite the right thing.
06:11 PM Tom_L: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-import-a-list-of-coordinates-into-AutoCAD.html
06:11 PM Tom_L: there is that
06:11 PM Tom_L: maybe not exactly what you're after
06:12 PM Tom_L: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2021/ENU/AutoCAD-Core/files/GUID-6AA028D2-9F58-490B-B58E-B40F98BE245E-htm.html
06:17 PM Tom_L: he couldn't remember what software they used. it's been some time back now
06:19 PM Tom_L: they used laser scanners to scan 3d parts
06:22 PM Tom_L: https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/63077/linux-alternatives-to-visualize-and-analyze-lidar-datasets
06:22 PM Tom_L: what format is your data set?
06:25 PM Tom_L: the windows alternatives will be $$$
06:27 PM Tom_L: andypugh, beachbumpete did that for high end cabinetry but i haven't seen him here in a while
06:28 PM andypugh: I can get the points in to Fusion easily enough. The question is what one does after that point.
06:28 PM Tom_L: does it create splines or polylines?
06:28 PM andypugh: Or, what I can use to convert the points to a surface prior to import.
06:28 PM Tom_L: use those to create a mesh
06:28 PM andypugh: All I get in Fusion is a point cloud.
06:30 PM t4nk_freenode: kewl idea, andypugh
06:30 PM andypugh: I guess I could draw a series of splines through sets of points. But then I am not sure what to do after that.
06:30 PM Tom_L: andypugh, https://grabcad.com/questions/how-to-convert-a-point-cloud-3d-scan-to-solid-or-surfaces
06:30 PM t4nk_freenode: I was just probing my axes myself
06:30 PM _unreal_: sicko
06:30 PM Tom_L: looks like catia could do it but i've never delved that far into catia
06:30 PM t4nk_freenode: so, _unreal_ ... help andy
06:30 PM t4nk_freenode: ...
06:31 PM roycroft: finally my new phone is fully functional
06:31 PM Tom_L: andypugh, how big is the file?
06:31 PM andypugh: I don’t know yet. It’s still probing.
06:31 PM Tom_L: oh
06:31 PM Tom_L: :)
06:31 PM t4nk_freenode: may we ask what it is you are probing?
06:31 PM andypugh: Not huge, 70 x 50 point grid
06:32 PM Tom_L: i could give it a try if you can't figure it out some other way
06:32 PM Tom_L: it would be a first
06:32 PM Tom_L: yeah that's not big at all
06:33 PM Tom_L: catia exports iges fairly good which is what i generally do to my cad cam
06:33 PM andypugh: I am probing an epoxy cast of an area of an aluminium casting on the transfer gearbox of a 1916 fire engine where there is a crack. The aim is ti model and CNC machine a perfectly fitting bracing piece that can be rivetted in to the area to repair a crack.
06:34 PM Tom_L: holler if you want, i'd take a stab at it
06:35 PM t4nk_freenode: nice man
06:35 PM andypugh: Tom_L: What workflow would you plan to use?
06:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: https://github.com/kcjengr/probe_basic
06:36 PM Tom_L: i'd try to import the point data into catia and see if it can convert it to a surface
06:36 PM t4nk_freenode: CaptHindsight[m], could this be done with FreeCAD?\
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://matrix.to/#/#qtpyvcp:matrix.org also working/discussing point cloud to toolpaths
06:37 PM Tom_L: it shouldn't be too difficult with any of today's modern cad packages, it's the knowing how
06:37 PM andypugh: CaptHindsight[m]: Isn’t Probe Basic a LinuxCNC GUI with a name that inexplicably contains the word “probe”?
06:37 PM Tom_L: yes
06:37 PM Tom_L: afik
06:38 PM t4nk_freenode: I'll drop a line in #freecad for you, see if someone knows anything
06:38 PM Tom_L: what's your point spacing?
06:38 PM andypugh: 2mm x 2mm
06:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHKOJ1dbyJI
06:40 PM t4nk_freenode: nice
06:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: t4nk_freenode: https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Points_Workbench in devlopment
06:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.danielgm.net/cc/
06:42 PM andypugh: Meshlab looks promising
06:42 PM Tom_L: andypugh, looks easy enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH10bY-pLHY
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQiD4HjhpAU&t=2s
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: lots of closed source solutuons
06:42 PM t4nk_freenode: lol, like always ;)
06:43 PM Tom_L: i've got full access to catia
06:43 PM Tom_L: i've just not imported a point cloud
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://fabacademy.org/2019/docs/FabAcademy-Tutorials/week05_3dscanning_and_printing/point_cloud_mesh.html
06:52 PM * roycroft notes that every person who holds their breath waiting for freecad to implement a new feature/workbench turned blue and died
06:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they are cleaning up and refactoring freecad currently
06:55 PM andypugh: Anyway, it’s looking like a puzzle for tomorrow now.
06:55 PM andypugh: See you then.
06:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ichGucks literally died while working on Freecad/Path
06:56 PM andypugh: Realluy?
06:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can't say he didn't try
06:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: bunch of utils out there for point cloud to 3d models/mesh etc
06:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: see what suits you
06:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: guten nacht
06:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: * gute nacht
06:58 PM roycroft: my comment was in poor taste then, and i apologise for that
06:59 PM roycroft: i was aware of his demise, but not that he was affiliated with the freecad project
06:59 PM XXCoder: yeah he was working on Path, mostly previews?
07:00 PM Tom_L: he'd just begun a big push on it
07:00 PM XXCoder: he was bit diffult to commucate with sometimes, but he used to make so many cnc machines
07:00 PM XXCoder: and he worked on freecad
07:00 PM XXCoder: he probably made thousands of cnc machines
07:00 PM roycroft: yes, i remember he was always building cnc machines
07:04 PM XXCoder: i still remember that he went away for well over a year
07:04 PM XXCoder: working as ranger something
07:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 3 years
07:05 PM XXCoder: I was one of few awake when he finally returned
07:05 PM XXCoder: thaty long hmm ok
07:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: passed away about a year or two after he came back home
07:05 PM XXCoder: I hope he really enjoyed ranger years
07:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he promoted CNC at a local college for first year students
07:06 PM XXCoder: sucks that someone deleted all videos
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he would show they all how to build their own and how to program
07:06 PM XXCoder: some student re-uploaded some of videos but yeah
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: standing room only for his presentations
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh nice, do you know where?
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: his family scrubbed the internet after he passed
07:06 PM XXCoder: dont know
07:07 PM XXCoder: didnt save link unfortunately
07:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I tried searches using his nick
07:07 PM XXCoder: it may be very educational, but I couldnt watch his videos.
07:07 PM XXCoder: it was very dizzying, even before I had current health issues.
07:07 PM XXCoder: it was diappointment for me
07:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the mail list might have his first name
07:08 PM XXCoder: jt or someone might be able to search for last reference to ich. it should be student talking about him
07:08 PM roycroft: do you have any idea why they scrubbed all his work from the internet?
07:09 PM roycroft: it seems like they would want to preserve that as his legacy
07:09 PM XXCoder: no idea. may be in his will? may be family decision?
07:10 PM roycroft: well now that i'm done wasting 5+ hours dealing with my phone, i've already accomplished one major task today
07:11 PM roycroft: one that i intended to have completed by noon
07:11 PM roycroft: but at least progress is finally being made
07:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: we asked his grandson, he came in the channel a few times with questions
07:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he never answered
07:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: will remain a mystery
07:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he did mention heart attack
07:12 PM roycroft: i remember hearing of his passing right after it happened, but i don't recall any conversations on the channel with his relatives
07:13 PM Tom_L: for a short time
07:13 PM roycroft: perhaps they removed all his stuff so they could sort it and organized it and package it for some other purpose
07:14 PM XXCoder: hopefully.
07:14 PM roycroft: and i'm not necessarily thinking they would market it and profit from it
07:14 PM roycroft: that's a possibility
07:15 PM roycroft: but they may just want to clean it up and organize it and then publish it on a website, or distribute it to schools
07:15 PM roycroft: one can only speculate
07:15 PM roycroft: it just seems odd to remove it all
07:15 PM roycroft: i wonder if the wayback machine has any of his stuff
07:15 PM Tom_L: they seemed a bit lost to know what to do with it
07:16 PM roycroft: well hopefully they at least kept a copy of it, even if they're unsure what to do with it
07:17 PM XXCoder: wayback dont have youtube videos unfortinately
07:17 PM XXCoder: thats most of his stuff really, besides code uploads for freecad
07:17 PM roycroft: yeah, if that is where is stuff is, it won't be available
07:18 PM roycroft: google will still have it all, but they won't share it
07:18 PM roycroft: google never delete anything
07:22 PM roycroft: and i have another major item i can check off my list
07:26 PM XXCoder: yeah?
07:27 PM roycroft: yes, things i can control i can usually get done efficiently
07:27 PM Tom_L: btw how did the wrench recovery go?
07:27 PM roycroft: and since this phone is work-provided and work-used, i will probably count those 5 hours as work time, and take some comp time
07:28 PM roycroft: i haven't gotten back to that yet, tom_l
07:28 PM roycroft: but i have a plan for it
07:28 PM roycroft: i was thinking about giving it a go tomorrow, but i think i'll be playing catch-up still tomorrow
07:28 PM roycroft: i think there's a good chance i'll be able to retrieve it, and i won't have to dismount and tilt the saw to do so
07:30 PM roycroft: and i have plenty of time to retrieve it, since i am waiting on parts and cannot use the saw until they arrive
08:24 PM JoseIgnacioRomer: Well if boeing leaves wrenches inside planes all the time why not one inside a saw?
08:25 PM roycroft: i know it won't get lost
08:25 PM Tom_L: maybe they could come in handy in flight
08:26 PM roycroft: where i'm storing mine is nothing approaching "handy"
08:27 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: It's handy if you're Plastic-Man. LOL
08:28 PM roycroft: although my cunning plan to retrieve it may only take seconds once i make the recovery tool
08:28 PM XXCoder: all the cunning happened already by time you started making tool
08:28 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Shove a neodynium magnet up a chunk of automotive fuel line and get it over with. LOL
08:29 PM roycroft: that won't work, but my plan is somewhat similar
08:30 PM Bleepshop: That, a laptop, a webcam and cheese would be my solution to the problem.
08:31 PM Tom_L: all you really gotta do is remove the wrench drain plug
08:32 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: He rounded the flats off of it already. ;D
08:34 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Is the wrench too heavy for teh magnet you have or what?
08:35 PM XXCoder: Bleepshop: its made from steel. magnet sticks everywhere. hes making tool to work around that
08:37 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: That's why I use a piece of fuel line and stick a stack of these up it. The thick rubber keeps from really sticking to the steel and the exposed magnet at the tip will grab the tool. https://www.harborfreight.com/10-piece-rare-earth-magnets-67488.html
08:38 PM Bleepshop: I've fished scews out of intakes, wrenches out of box beams and bolts out of frames that way.
08:39 PM XXCoder: yeah though he tried it if I recall right
08:39 PM XXCoder: thats why hes making better tool
08:39 PM Bleepshop: And the webcam makes it dead easy to aim most of the time.
08:40 PM roycroft: the access hole is on the side of the column, not the top, and the wrench is not staight down - it's off to the side
08:40 PM * Bleepshop has a $6 USB ortho-cam.
08:40 PM roycroft: and there are wires in the column - it would not be a clear shot anyway
08:40 PM Bleepshop: That's why i use the hose. It bends but you can still push/twist/etc it to get it where you want it.
08:41 PM roycroft: the plan is to embed a couple rare earth magnets in the end of a wooden dowel, and attach a 6ga solid copper wire to the dowel piece
08:41 PM roycroft: the wire will be stiffer than a hose
08:41 PM roycroft: so when i bend it it will stay bent
08:41 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Or you could use 3" of tubing to make the coupler. LOL
08:42 PM roycroft: i'll just use the materials i have on hand
08:42 PM roycroft: i have some rare earth magnets with holes in the middle for a screw
08:42 PM roycroft: so it will be really easy to temporarily attach them to a piece of dowel
08:43 PM Tom_L: i dare say it will take less time to recover than the discussion about the recovery :)
08:44 PM roycroft: that is the plan
08:44 PM roycroft: if done well it will take seconds
08:45 PM roycroft: i'm starting to suspect that bleepshop is part of the international rubber tubing cartel
08:45 PM roycroft: and is trying to find a way for rubber tubing to be part of the solution to every problem
08:45 PM * _unreal_ roles eyes
08:45 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Maybe that's the difference. I've got 6mm/8mm poly tubing, 1/4" vinyl aquarium tubing, 1/4" & 5/16" fuel line, 3/8"& 1/2" air hose and random short chunks up to 3" in diameter for DIM [Do It Myself] seals and couplers stashed around the shop. LOL
08:46 PM Tom_L: roycroft, you know you can use rubber tubing as a needham coupler....
08:46 PM roycroft: i have a hunk of 6a copper wire, lots of wooden dowels, and rare earth magnets with holes in them
08:46 PM Bleepshop: I've got bits that I'm pretty sure are from the cooling system on a D12 Cat.
08:46 PM roycroft: i'm sure i could extract the wrench with a d12
08:46 PM roycroft: well
08:46 PM roycroft: i could expose it
08:47 PM Bleepshop: C-4 would be quicker. ;D
08:47 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i could subsquenty separate it from the saw
08:47 PM roycroft: nor would i anticipate the saw would ever be functional after the extraction
08:47 PM Bleepshop: Finding the wrench afterwards would be the issue. LOL
08:48 PM * roycroft notes that tom_l is the one who brought up the matter this evening
08:48 PM Tom_L: they actually fuse alloys that way
08:48 PM roycroft: i'm perfectly content to not mention it again until i've done the deed :)
08:48 PM * Tom_L accepts full responsibility for such actions
08:49 PM roycroft: but if asked about it i shall comply and offer a response
08:49 PM Bleepshop: Not responsible! Park and lock it!. ;D
08:49 PM Tom_L: no critical builds going on right now it seems and better than some topics
08:50 PM Tom_L: it could come in handy for the next saw repair guy
08:50 PM roycroft: i'm actually going to try to get some cad work done today
08:50 PM * Bleepshop should be rewiring the table for the new 220V systems but is more motivated to clean.
08:50 PM roycroft: my professional advice is this:
08:50 PM roycroft: do not drop a wrench down a band saw column
08:51 PM roycroft: i actually took measures not to drop mine, but to no avail
08:51 PM roycroft: i was tightening a nut around an indicator lamp housing
08:51 PM Bleepshop: Tie a string on it next time.
08:51 PM roycroft: and knowing that dropping it would be a problem, i used the closed end of the wrench and not the open end
08:52 PM roycroft: passing the indicator wires through the end of the wrench before reaching inside the machine with it
08:52 PM Bleepshop: Box end? Hell, just bend a shallow hook on the end of your 6ga and go fishing.
08:52 PM roycroft: i just did not secure the wires well enough, so when it slipped, it pulled the wires back inside with it
08:53 PM roycroft: the box end is the farthest away, and least accessible end
08:53 PM roycroft: the saw column is welded to the hollow base, and it's a c-shaped column
08:54 PM roycroft: so the opening at the bottom is l-shaped
08:54 PM Bleepshop: Maybe you should quit messing with murphy's daughter? ;D
08:54 PM roycroft: the box end is sitting underneath the base piece
08:54 PM roycroft: the open end is barely visible at the bottom of the column
08:55 PM roycroft: but it should take me about the same amount of time as this explanation of the circumstances to attach the magnets to the dowel and the dowel to the wire
08:55 PM Bleepshop: So... Somebody should ask you to explain it once a day for a week or so. LMAO.
08:57 PM * roycroft will refer any questioners to the log containing the comments he made some moments ago
08:58 PM roycroft: it is odd that when i had 24GB of ram in my imac i would be swapping constantly
08:58 PM roycroft: now that i upgraded it to 32GB it never uses more than 24GB
09:01 PM Tom_L: now it doesn't have to panic
09:03 PM _unreal_: so one of he last tiny sat's I got, a tiny sat dish. the base ended up being more or less a lazy Susan setup.
09:03 PM roycroft: it never panic'ed
09:04 PM roycroft: it just got really really slow
09:05 PM _unreal_: and the entire outside of it is just a timing belt. and it has an imbedded magnet. So I'm toying with the idea of turning it into a TOOL/bit jig. I am not going to have any kind of auto too change as much as I'd like to. I dont even have that kind of a spindle setup..
09:05 PM roycroft: i still want to replace the hard drive in that machine with an ssd
09:05 PM roycroft: that would definitely speed things up
09:05 PM _unreal_: but it will be a nice future thought of setting up a device that will rotate and highlight the bit that I need.
09:06 PM _unreal_: would be nice to do an auto change but sigh
09:35 PM Bleepshop: I've been thinking about one of these with a Toro 826 style, twin disk transmission driven from a big BLDC motor. Run the motor flat out and use the transmission to vary the spindle speed. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TMDJPQH
09:38 PM Bleepshop: Plus if you run the transmission edge to edge on the disk instead of edge to center you get reverse without reversing the motor.
09:49 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm getting pretty close now with the pcb
09:49 PM t4nk_freenode: think I broke another two bits though ;)
09:49 PM t4nk_freenode: *sigh*
09:49 PM t4nk_freenode: I keep hitting 'probe' without a probe attached
09:49 PM t4nk_freenode: darnit
10:19 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I've done that a few times but not often
10:19 PM _unreal_: I more often break the micro bits by random hardness in what they are tooling.
10:20 PM _unreal_: as I said I work UP going slower then I need to till I find the breaking point and then scale WAY back from there to have a buffer margin of safety
10:21 PM t4nk_freenode: well, they aren't breaking from the actual milling... merely from plungling down
10:23 PM t4nk_freenode: almost like breaking a pencil
10:24 PM * Bleepshop notes that that particular circuit was live.
10:24 PM Bleepshop: Oops!. LOL
10:25 PM t4nk_freenode: FA<<OT!!!
10:25 PM t4nk_freenode: I mean DAMMIT!@
10:25 PM t4nk_freenode: another bit gone
10:26 PM Bleepshop: t4nk_freenode: Save the stub for a sized pin.
10:27 PM Bleepshop: It's nice to have a stock of old drill bits to cut chunks of as needed for precision diameter pins.
10:28 PM t4nk_freenode: good idea man!
10:28 PM XXCoder: :(
10:29 PM Bleepshop: I've got a plastic jar on the bench that when one snaps it goes in the jar. There's also a few in there where I used them to drill a hole and then cut 1/2" off the shank with the Dremel as a pin.
10:33 PM t4nk_freenode: too bad these particular ones aren't metric.. could have used them with some miniature bearings
10:33 PM t4nk_freenode: wow! getting really close now
10:34 PM t4nk_freenode: ehhh.. I think I may actually be there all the way now
10:36 PM Bleepshop: Uhhh... That's what she said after 12 shots of Jager ? ;D
10:36 PM t4nk_freenode: lol
10:37 PM t4nk_freenode: as in Jägermeister?
10:37 PM t4nk_freenode: I can tell you stories about that man... long, long, Long ago
10:37 PM Bleepshop: Yah.
10:38 PM Bleepshop: I could tell you horror stories about the parties I've cleaned up after. LOL
10:38 PM t4nk_freenode: hehe
10:38 PM Bleepshop: And I don't even freakin drink. LOL
10:38 PM t4nk_freenode: lol
10:38 PM t4nk_freenode: me neither
10:39 PM t4nk_freenode: well, not anymore, obviously, but that's been long so too
10:39 PM Bleepshop: I would annoy the piss out of my housemates by cleaning the living room the next morning. While they were thoroughly hung-over. Muwahahaha...
10:40 PM Bleepshop: Turn on the vacuum and listen for the screams of "Somebody please FUCKING KILL ME!". LMAO
10:44 PM * Bleepshop used to be an evil bastard after listening to idiots drinking all night.
10:45 PM * roycroft is known to enjoy the occasional shot of Jägermeister
10:45 PM XXCoder: I never drank, but I got drunk for few months anyway
10:45 PM roycroft: but i made some glühwein tonight, because 'tis the season
10:46 PM XXCoder: over year solid actually, more or less anyway. cant be certain
10:46 PM roycroft: it affects different folks in different ways
10:46 PM XXCoder: roy yeah. in my case I never drank any. so my body made some. jeez
10:47 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Auto-brewery syndrome ?
10:47 PM XXCoder: it really sucked, but glad found out and stopped it
10:47 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:48 PM t4nk_freenode: what the? you mean you were drunk for months on end??
10:49 PM Bleepshop: I'd worry about that if I wasn't borderline hypoglycemic. My body burns calories faster than I can shovel them down some days.
10:49 PM XXCoder: drunk is overly strong word, but it definitely affected my balance
10:49 PM XXCoder: it might actually drunk dunno, never drank at all so hard to judge
10:49 PM t4nk_freenode: alkihol is such bad stuff, looking back upon it
10:50 PM XXCoder: it'd be banned if it was discovered this year
10:50 PM XXCoder: but it bought us farming and one of oldest chemical
10:50 PM Bleepshop: t4nk_freenode: Nonsense. It's great for preserving tissue samples. >:)
10:50 PM XXCoder: (that we discovered)
10:50 PM t4nk_freenode: I really can't even say that if used 'in moderation' either... it just takes away the control you have over things
10:51 PM t4nk_freenode: and in moderation... I can't see any use ;)
10:52 PM Bleepshop: t4nk_freenode: Glass cleaner, parts degreaser, solvent for certain organic molecules... LOL
10:52 PM XXCoder: depressant also
10:52 PM XXCoder: in case youre too happy, it'd be great cure lol
10:52 PM t4nk_freenode: well, I'm gonna call it a day, cnc-wise. I'm Very pleased with todays efforts( except breaking 3 bits out of stupidity, got 3 left now)
10:53 PM Bleepshop: True. It's really depressing when I have to break out the acetone when the alcohol fails to remove the gunk... LMAO
10:53 PM XXCoder: lol
10:54 PM t4nk_freenode: ah, and then there was 'Strohrum'..
10:54 PM Bleepshop: t4nk_freenode: Could be worse. Could be 6 broken and no hole drilled.
10:54 PM t4nk_freenode: hehe, true
10:54 PM t4nk_freenode: but I'd better order some more and be quick about it
10:55 PM roycroft: this must be try stuff you're not good at on youtube
10:55 PM Bleepshop: And I found several square feet of my shop floor... And I want to clean it with a flamethrower and put it out with 6sq/yd of concrete. LOL
10:55 PM roycroft: abom79 did a pretty lousy job grouting in his crane pillar
10:56 PM roycroft: and now quinn (blondihacks) is doing a mediocre job doing some metal fabrication and carpentry
10:56 PM XXCoder: im fine with failure or lousy job if they are honest about it
10:57 PM roycroft: abom thought he did "pretty good"
10:57 PM roycroft: quinn is saying "do not watch this to learn about welding"
10:57 PM XXCoder: "pretty good" meh in least not "wow this is perfection"
10:58 PM roycroft: "pretty good" is abom speak for "perfection"
10:58 PM roycroft: well maybe not
10:58 PM roycroft: maybe it's as high as he goes
10:59 PM roycroft: his best work he calls "pretty good"
10:59 PM Tom_L: we are all like trees. we have growth rings too but they display differently :)
10:59 PM roycroft: he did admit that mixing and pouring grout was harder than he thought
11:15 PM roycroft: wow
11:15 PM roycroft: there is snow in the forecast for christmas day
11:15 PM roycroft: well, rain/snow
11:15 PM roycroft: but still, it's so rare that it's even in the forcast anywhere near christmas
11:15 PM XXCoder: here its cloudy or rain
11:16 PM roycroft: that's still almost a week away, though
11:16 PM roycroft: but there's a good chance of snow every day from saturday through tuesday
11:18 PM XXCoder: yeah I usually meh on snow prediction more than 3 days away
11:18 PM XXCoder: it almost never happens
11:33 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: You're in freakin Eugene. You've got the Oregon Rain Festival [Jan 1 - Dec 31] to deal with. ;D
11:34 PM * Bleepshop wonders if they still make those bumper stickers...
11:34 PM roycroft: not so much any more
11:34 PM roycroft: we've been in drought for a decade
11:34 PM roycroft: the rainy season is only october to june now
11:37 PM Bleepshop: So about the same as the mid 80s when I was there. Everybody still go to the river during the summer and listen to the concerts at Autzen ?
11:37 PM Loetmichel: mornin'. GRMBL... 2 speed trap tickets in the mail today. I am collecting these lately. Luckily i am never WAY to fast. So its only 20eur for 128kph in a 120kph zone and 30 eur for 38kph in a 30kph zone. But got another flash yesterday when driving home from my sister. I really should reign in my lead foot a bit!
11:37 PM roycroft: no concerts at autzen stadium any more
11:37 PM roycroft: not since u2 played there in the mid-'90s
11:38 PM roycroft: there were noise complaints from all over springtucky
11:38 PM * Bleepshop partially remembers a Greatful Dead show thanks to a cute blonde with a great rack.
11:38 PM Bleepshop: oryWell Duh. It was U2... LMAO
11:38 PM roycroft: it was after jerry passed
11:39 PM roycroft: the last time they dead played autzen was in '95, the year jerry died
11:39 PM roycroft: the university now has the phil knight arena
11:39 PM roycroft: which is the new basketball stadium
11:39 PM roycroft: and the big concerts are there
11:40 PM roycroft: i've never been there, and don't intend to go there
11:40 PM roycroft: i like the outdoor concerts at the cuthbert ampitheatre, though
11:40 PM roycroft: and i'll be going to the hult center next month, for the first time in two years
11:42 PM * Bleepshop remebers going to 7-11, grabbing a Coke and then going to sit on the grass at Condon across from the bar and listen to the bands.
11:43 PM Bleepshop: And the bad visual puns in the window at Maxwell's down the street. LOL
11:43 PM roycroft: autzen statium is a lot bigger than you remember
11:43 PM roycroft: and for that u2 concert the set was so huge they had to tear down one of the gates and enlarge it to get the equipment in
11:44 PM * roycroft did not attend, which is probably why he is still able to hear things
11:44 PM * Bleepshop checks Google street view.
11:45 PM Bleepshop: Aww.. Halley's Comet is gone and been replaced by Noodle Head.
11:47 PM roycroft: if you want to see how huge the stadium has become check the satellite view
11:47 PM Bleepshop: And the funky little house i lived in is now a 3 storey apartment block.
11:49 PM roycroft: it's been a while
11:49 PM roycroft: things have changed
11:51 PM roycroft: ritta's burritos are still at saturday market though
11:51 PM roycroft: and at the country fair
11:55 PM roycroft: the glenwood on campus is closing next month
11:56 PM Bleepshop: looks like what was Marion Hall has been assimilated into Sacred Wallet, Er Heart.
11:57 PM roycroft: a lot of that has happened
11:57 PM roycroft: and sacred heart is the small hospital now
11:58 PM roycroft: mac court is still standing, although there was talk of razing it at one point, after the phil knight arena was built
11:58 PM roycroft: hayward field was totally rebuilt before the 2008 olympics
11:59 PM roycroft: and the olympic track and field trials are held there every four years now
11:59 PM Bleepshop: Or maybe they just renamed it Riley and so much else has changed.
11:59 PM roycroft: if you've not been on campus since the '80s you'd probably recognise about half of it