#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 30 2021
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01:27 AM randy: morning
02:13 AM Deejay: moin
02:31 AM t4nk_freenode: topofthemorningtoyoutoo
02:31 AM t4nk_freenode: youtwotoo
02:52 AM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: https://i.imgur.com/BdJAScA.jpg found it, late night Chinese infomercial
02:53 AM CaptHindsight[m]: fat burning spray, spray it on and lose Kg's
04:58 AM Loetmichel: *grin* the secretary that drove the lightly injured coworker to the hospital yesterday (for getting a suture) is now clucking over him today like a mother hen. :)
05:24 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:18 AM t4nk_freenode: moaning
06:18 AM * t4nk_freenode is trying his hand at some relief carving
06:18 AM t4nk_freenode: first time I'm using a v bit
06:18 AM Tom_L: morning
06:32 AM t4nk_freenode: can't say I have high hopes though
06:32 AM Tom_L: try a ballnose
06:33 AM t4nk_freenode: I got those too, from 1mm.. but I'm doing a very very small relief
06:33 AM t4nk_freenode: it's done... let's see
06:33 AM Tom_L: ok
06:39 AM t4nk_freenode: ... luckily I didn't have high hopes ;)
06:42 AM t4nk_freenode: I set the feeds at 600mm/min and the plunge at 250mm/min... but I saw the estimation go off the scale, so I overrode the feeds by 200%
06:42 AM t4nk_freenode: maybe that's the problem
06:42 AM t4nk_freenode: waws done in half an hour in the end
06:43 AM t4nk_freenode: but the strange thing is that the final part is sunken in much deeper than the start
06:44 AM t4nk_freenode: I'd guess if it lost steps.. that that would be the other way around
06:44 AM t4nk_freenode: mmmm
06:54 AM t4nk_freenode: https://postimg.cc/wtjRmMtr
06:55 AM t4nk_freenode: it's rather embarrassing :|
06:56 AM t4nk_freenode: supposed to be a rose inside a frame
06:56 AM Tom_L: you gotta start somewhere
06:56 AM Tom_L: now figure out what went wrong
06:58 AM t4nk_freenode: I did a roughing run first, with a single upcut flute, 1/8
06:58 AM t4nk_freenode: maybe that was a right step in the wrong direction too
06:59 AM t4nk_freenode: scaled down a whole lot too... this is some 3cmx5cm
07:00 AM t4nk_freenode: think I'll try this again, roughing with a ball nose, keep the engraving bit but at slower speeds
07:15 AM t4nk_freenode: (I'm now at 200% for the roughing alrady ;) )
07:21 AM JT-Cave: normally a ball nose is for finish cuts only...
07:27 AM t4nk_freenode: .... yes, I sort of knew that ;)
07:27 AM t4nk_freenode: but I only got these single flute, 1/8 diameter... and that was leaving rather a mess
07:29 AM t4nk_freenode: so I also have this 1mm ball nose, but my guess is that it won't be fine enough for this small scale
07:49 AM Loetmichel: ehhh. that car battery was EMPTY... plugged it into the computer charger 3 hours ago... it put in 15535mAh and STILL only shows 14.1V at the battery terminals while charging with 5A... already ordered a new alternator though... probably have to charge it daily at the company until it arrives :(
08:09 AM t4nk_freenode: bleh, triggered a hard limit at 85% :(
08:20 AM t4nk_freenode: https://postimg.cc/gallery/81PHzFJ
08:20 AM t4nk_freenode: this one has eaten down even more
08:21 AM t4nk_freenode: so much that the z limit triggered
08:24 AM t4nk_freenode: you'd almost think this had to be an error in the g-code
08:24 AM t4nk_freenode: so tired, I'll look at it later
08:25 AM t4nk_freenode: look.... the preview isn't showing anything strang
08:26 AM t4nk_freenode: and I _think_ that going in so ridiculously deep... can never be a result from losing steps in the z dir
09:01 AM t4nk_freenode: well, from backlash it might
09:02 AM t4nk_freenode: cumulated up small steps perhaps
09:02 AM t4nk_freenode: *ponder*
09:04 AM t4nk_freenode: though it seems pretty sturdy and I've only recently upgraded and tightened everything
09:15 AM t4nk_freenode: ok... so.. if my feeds are too high, and the assembly is relatively heavy
09:15 AM t4nk_freenode: lifting up will be tougher, and plunges will be easy
09:15 AM t4nk_freenode: ... that's why I'm losing steps
09:16 AM t4nk_freenode: euh, and things go gradually deeper
09:23 AM t4nk_freenode: I have an acceleration of 400mm/sec² on all axes
09:23 AM t4nk_freenode: don't even know if that's ok
09:45 AM t4nk_freenode: but it's a bit of a toy-cnc I've built, so I'll need to look for some other things
09:45 AM aaroncnc: picture?
09:46 AM aaroncnc: best way to test would be to drop the speed to a snails craw and write a g code to go up and down say 50 times. then inrease the speed and go again and see when the problems start.
09:47 AM aaroncnc: steppers have torque at low speeds and lose most of it at high speeds.
09:48 AM t4nk_freenode: I can look at the acceleration settings.. so it's 400mm/s¹ at the moment, maybe lower that a bit too
09:48 AM t4nk_freenode: and they are 2A nema 17 steppers..driven by tmc2209's, so they'll be a bit underpowered too
09:48 AM aaroncnc: start at maybe 100mm and go from there
09:49 AM t4nk_freenode: wondering if I could wire tmc2209's in parallel to drive one stepper, that might help too
09:53 AM aaroncnc: t4nk_freenode, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003341058386.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.5144438cYRbqxh&algo_pvid=6ddfcdf2-4c73-4905-aabf-41938f6fbdbf&algo_exp_id=6ddfcdf2-4c73-4905-aabf-41938f6fbdbf-6&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000025305024332%22%7D
09:53 AM roycroft: happy st andrew's day!
09:53 AM aaroncnc: just drive it like any stepper motor with step and dir and it handles the rest.
09:54 AM t4nk_freenode: heh, nice
09:54 AM aaroncnc: i use them on my printers for my extruders to make sure i dont lose steps when printing fast.
09:57 AM aaroncnc: but i think a better idea is to tune your system, while this may "fix" the problem if you try to do synchronized movements you may still have issues.
09:59 AM aaroncnc: or what voltage are you using?
09:59 AM t4nk_freenode: 24v supply from my ender3
10:00 AM aaroncnc: okay making sure you weren't using 12V.
10:00 AM CaptHindsight[m]: aaroncnc: how does it measure the angle of the motor shaft? Where does the encoder attach to the motor shaft?
10:00 AM t4nk_freenode: no, that would be a lot worse
10:01 AM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], magent is glued to the back of the motor shaft.
10:01 AM aaroncnc: magnet
10:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: they leave that part out of the description
10:01 AM t4nk_freenode: coming to think of it... I use the 2209's unset, so they default to 16microsteps .... I could take those down a bit if necessary
10:02 AM aaroncnc: if you look at the kits without the motor you will see a magnet.
10:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: it's such a jumbled mess of info I can't tell what is what
10:04 AM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], they could do better to explain but they are opensource https://github.com/makerbase-mks/MKS-SERVO42C
10:05 AM aaroncnc: https://github.com/makerbase-mks/MKS-SERVO42C/wiki
10:05 AM CaptHindsight[m]: only nema17 kits?
10:05 AM aaroncnc: they have larger
10:06 AM aaroncnc: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966007848.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.449e2d3fdL0wZh&algo_pvid=b73ff0e5-036c-4a16-ac88-15fc8ab6c205&algo_exp_id=b73ff0e5-036c-4a16-ac88-15fc8ab6c205-1&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2210000006209732094%22%7D
10:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the site is broken, the links in the left sidebar all just load a s blank pages
10:13 AM CaptHindsight[m]: have to figure out their tracking mess later
10:13 AM aaroncnc: they sell on amazon and other sites. i just default to ali as it has the best price most of the time and the wait sued to not be so bad.
10:14 AM roycroft: i'm glad that works out for you
10:15 AM aaroncnc: i think its a interesting solution to upgrade things that dont support feedback such as old ramps bases sytems.
10:15 AM roycroft: my experiences with aliexpress to date have been that one only orders from them if one wants to throw away one's money and not recieve anything in return
10:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the design looks like it almost works, so good for FDM printers
10:16 AM aaroncnc: would need to keep it sealed in any application with metal cutting.
10:16 AM roycroft: my proposed solution for speeding up my 3d prints is to buy a second printer
10:17 AM aaroncnc: yea but when you have 4 it becomes a space problem. and one of my printers weighs about 400 lbs.....
10:17 AM roycroft: yes, my solution does not scale particularly well
10:17 AM t4nk_freenode: well, ali is fine for me too... you just need to make sure you pay the extra for delivery and it's tracked to your door
10:18 AM roycroft: but this is also a case where i do not plan on doing any production printing - it is all in-house stuff
10:18 AM t4nk_freenode: aaroncnc, I'll have to hand you a rain check for the picture; I just need to call it a day
10:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: heh, if the link is an image it loads a non-blank page
10:18 AM roycroft: folks say that aliexpress is fine, but i've ordered from them exactly twice
10:18 AM t4nk_freenode: it's been ehhh an interesting experience today ;)
10:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: all the text links get me blank pages
10:18 AM roycroft: the first time i never received the product and never got a refund, so i lost money
10:19 AM roycroft: the second, recent time, the product was defective, i returned it using an rma and shipping label provided by them, but they never refunded me - whenever i would query about it they would just send me confirmation that the item was delivered to me
10:19 AM aaroncnc: roycroft, my only advice is try and buy from big named sellers. dont buy things that are too good to be true. and pay for faster shipping.
10:19 AM roycroft: fortunately discover refunded my money
10:19 AM roycroft: this wasn't a seller issue
10:20 AM roycroft: it was aliexpress themselves
10:20 AM aaroncnc: ?
10:20 AM roycroft: i assume it's them
10:20 AM t4nk_freenode: one shipment never arrived for me, out of ... hundreds of orders
10:20 AM roycroft: i filed my dispute with aliexpress
10:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: China didn't get where they are today by 100% satisfying every customer
10:20 AM roycroft: they are the ones who corresponded with me
10:20 AM t4nk_freenode: and that one, was without tracking too ;)
10:21 AM roycroft: yeah, they never bothered to satisify the mongorians
10:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe there is an ebay seller in the US for the Makerbase boards
10:21 AM t4nk_freenode: anyhow: later ppl, I'm off
10:22 AM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], https://www.amazon.com/Stepper-Motor-Closed-Loop-SERVO42B-Adapter/dp/B083M2WYR4/ref=sr_1_63?crid=35J12G8P0XP6O&keywords=mks+servo&qid=1638288438&sprefix=mks+%2Caps%2C181&sr=8-63
10:22 AM aaroncnc: its on prime
10:23 AM aaroncnc: but thats the nema 17 one
10:24 AM aaroncnc: https://www.amazon.com/BIGTREETECH-Control-Stepper-Multi-Step-Generation/dp/B08N6DX68N/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=s57b&qid=1638288545&sr=8-19
10:24 AM perry_j1987: morning
10:27 AM aaroncnc: morning
10:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/BIGTREETECH-Control-Stepper-Multi-Step-Generation/dp/B08N6DX68N/ref=sr_1_1
10:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: poor reviews of the tuning process
10:31 AM CaptHindsight[m]: There is a lot of potential for this board, just not a good firmware for it. I know some are re-"writing the firmware for the board, but the performance is lacking. "
10:32 AM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], for me its was not bad, but i watched videos about it before i bought and am familiar with what its trying to do. But its par for the course on these budget oriented products. cant have it all. and sadly documentation and ease of use are the main draw backs
10:33 AM CaptHindsight[m]: as long as they don't lock out users from programming the stm32
10:34 AM aaroncnc: they dont lock the firwmare, you can upgrade and flash via stlink
10:50 AM aaroncnc: i wonder how accurate this thing is. https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005003434952226.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000023.3.15a774362VD4Yg
10:52 AM roycroft: you can truncate those urls at the ?, and conserve a lot of chat window real estate
10:53 AM Tom_L: aww c'mon. we like pages of useless urls when half a line would do
10:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I use them to generate garbage meta info
10:54 AM aaroncnc: will try to remember that
10:55 AM roycroft: it was just a polite request
10:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i have a plugin that immediately generates visits to a myriad of porn and social media sites
10:57 AM CaptHindsight[m]: aaroncnc: maybe +- 1mm
10:58 AM CaptHindsight[m]: likely varies from each one built
11:03 AM rene-dev59 is now known as rene-dev5
11:24 AM CaptHindsight[m]: aaroncnc: https://www.amazon.com/Stepper-Integrate-Position-Encoder-Control/dp/B01MFA87KI have you seen any like these where everything is enclosed and offers CAN or RS-485 vs just Step and Dir?
11:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/STEPPERONLINE-Integrated-Stepper-Driver-12-40VDC/dp/B07RNNQB2T
11:26 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/Nema23-Closed-Stepper-Integrated-controller/dp/B08MCHX7YP
11:42 AM aaroncnc: i have seen them but never used them.
11:43 AM unterhaus: my cousin sells tractor accessories and today found out there are tractor influencers that want free stuff
11:50 AM roycroft: i know a guy who got a job at microsoft in the early '80s
11:50 AM roycroft: he's never risen to upper management, but used to be lead of the release engineering team
11:51 AM roycroft: but he got stock options early on
11:51 AM roycroft: he bought an old farm up in the skagit valley, an hour north of seattle
11:51 AM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: I get contacted by grad students near daily like that
11:51 AM roycroft: and his "hobby" is collecting combine harvesters
11:51 AM roycroft: he doesn't need to be an influencer to get free schwag
11:52 AM CaptHindsight[m]: CaptHindsight: "I'll put your material in my paper"
11:52 AM roycroft: he just spends his spare stock earnings on six figure machines that he parks and pretty much does nothing with
11:53 AM CaptHindsight[m]: he sounds familiar
11:53 AM CaptHindsight[m]: think there were some news stories about his farm collection
11:53 AM roycroft: that could be
11:54 AM roycroft: i haven't see him or otherwise communicated with him in a good 20+ years, but he had a couple dozen "toys" back then
11:54 AM roycroft: all that seems kind of excessive to me, but it's a more honest way to fund a hobby than by being an "influencer", imo
12:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is this honesty that you speak of?
12:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds like some old person thing
12:02 PM unterhaus: my dad would have collected antique tractors if he could have. But I'm pretty sure he wanted to live in town after having grown up on a far
12:02 PM unterhaus: farm
12:03 PM unterhaus: I recall they couldn't afford a tractor so he had to till with horses
12:04 PM unterhaus: but the neighbors would get together and rent a thresher
12:04 PM solarwind: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000842241355.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.1.6da677b9HEpYxM
12:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what did they use to drag the horses?
12:04 PM solarwind: These BMS for LiFePO4 are decent, but the only reason you need it for LiFePO4 is cell balancing and charging
12:05 PM solarwind: And their balance current is rated at 30mA which is pathetic for a 300Ah cell
12:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: did you move to mexico?
12:05 PM solarwind: No, but I am going to visit soon
12:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hah, alieexpress directs me to .es
12:07 PM roycroft: it did that to me earlier today
12:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Paquete de batería
12:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: jandy
12:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: jes or no
12:25 PM perry_j1987: so i was looking around to try and see if anybody's using or made a traveling steady rest bushing system
12:25 PM perry_j1987: i imagine it'd kinda turn your lathe into swiss style operation
12:26 PM perry_j1987: all i can find though is standard steady rests
12:34 PM roycroft: you mean a follow rest?
12:43 PM perry_j1987: kind of
12:43 PM perry_j1987: im looking for anyone doing one with a guide bushing instead of those 3 little fingers or roller bearing fingers etc
12:44 PM roycroft: how would that work? as you turn the part the bushing diameter would have to change
12:45 PM perry_j1987: depends on the part
12:45 PM perry_j1987: some are all done front to back
01:26 PM aaroncnc: ... that moment when a mod is deleting a post you were typing on
02:36 PM roycroft: wow
02:36 PM roycroft: just wow
02:36 PM roycroft: i don't know how to react to this
02:36 PM roycroft: i was just talking with an electrician, asking for a quote on an upcoming job
02:37 PM roycroft: i described the scope of the job, and then told him it was in a business, so we would definitely have to pull a permit for it, and that he should keep that cost in mind
02:37 PM roycroft: he exploded at me that it's none of the government's f*cking business how he does his work and he's not going to go begging them for permission to do a job, and ask them to bless his work when he's done
02:38 PM roycroft: this is a state licensed electrician
02:38 PM roycroft: i know he's not going to be doing the work
02:38 PM roycroft: but should i report this to the state contractor's board?
02:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, but after the work is complete
02:40 PM roycroft: he's not stepping foot in the office
02:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all talk at this point
02:40 PM roycroft: i've already found another electrician
02:40 PM roycroft: yes, it's all talk from what i know
02:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: forget it and move on
02:41 PM roycroft: but if he's investigated and he's really doing work and not permitting it, they'll find out
02:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i deal with crazy people on a regular basis
02:41 PM roycroft: i do too, and most of the time it's pretty clear to me how to deal with them
02:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i think we have the best ones in the USA, we can out crazy any other country by at least 2:1
02:42 PM roycroft: but i'm concerned that if this guy is so hateful of "government regulation" he might not follow the nec
02:42 PM roycroft: and that could mean he puts his customers' lives in jeopardy
02:43 PM roycroft: even if all his customers are nutcases too, they don't deserve to die because of this guy's hatred of regulation
02:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://digilent.com/shop/arty-a7-artix-7-fpga-development-board/ $96 off
02:45 PM roycroft: and i don't know that this guy does shoddy work
02:45 PM roycroft: the point is, if he actually does what he says he does, nobody knows
02:47 PM * roycroft wonders why he is still shocked when he deals with lunatics like that, when he's surrounded by them and deals with them on an almost daily basis
02:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: contractors and mechanics, why I do most things myself
02:49 PM roycroft: that's not an option
02:49 PM roycroft: as this work is in a commercial building
02:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some businesses specialize in doing the minimum required
02:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: to get paid
02:50 PM roycroft: the real problem is that it's the end of the year
02:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they don't care what corners they cut
02:50 PM roycroft: most commercial contractors are booked through the end of the year, as people need to spend money by the end of the year
02:50 PM roycroft: which we do
02:51 PM roycroft: we actually don't need the work done by the end of the year
02:51 PM roycroft: we just need to receive an invoice dated before the end of the year
02:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: at least you're not concerned about food and shelter
02:55 PM roycroft: both the electricians i usually use can't even give me a quote until next year
02:55 PM roycroft: so i'm shopping around, which i'm not used to doing for electricical work, and it has me somewhat concerned
02:56 PM roycroft: i had an electrician show up to install a circuit for me in a data center once (i did not hire this person), and he freaked out when he found out what the job was
02:57 PM roycroft: we had asked him for a 120v, 30a circuit to feed a ups in an equipment rack
02:57 PM roycroft: the ups required 20a
02:57 PM roycroft: that's fine
02:58 PM roycroft: we were planning on upgrading it to one that required 30a in the near future, so we specified a circuit with greater capacity
02:58 PM roycroft: he flat out refused to do the work, saying that if i plugged a 20a ups into a 30a circuit, the mains would "push" too much power and destroy the ups
02:59 PM roycroft: i showed him the 20a circuit breaker built into the power inlet on the ups
02:59 PM roycroft: i showed him that i had replaced the 12ga power cord with a 10ga power cord, which was rated for 30a at the length i had made it
02:59 PM roycroft: but he still flipped out and said he was going to install a 20a circuit
02:59 PM roycroft: i had never heard of push electricity before
03:00 PM roycroft: i set him home
03:00 PM roycroft: sent
03:00 PM aaroncnc: roycroft, should have told him you were installing a high powered microwave...
03:00 PM roycroft: he asked what the load was
03:00 PM roycroft: because he did not want to install a 30a circuit
03:00 PM roycroft: he wanted to make sure that it was appropriate for the load
03:01 PM roycroft: but if electricity works the way he says it does
03:01 PM roycroft: then if i have a 15a lighting circuit, do i have to install 1800 watts of lamps, and have them all turn on at the same time?
03:02 PM roycroft: i mean, what if i just turn on a single 60w lighting fixture?
03:02 PM roycroft: what happens with all those other amps?
03:03 PM roycroft: the real question is: how is it that someone can obtain a contractor's license from the state and be this ignorant of his trade?
03:03 PM aaroncnc: sadly i have found good contractors are hard to come by. The best by far i have had is a neighbor of mine whos 80+ not certified but he will sit in a chair and tell you what to do then tells me when to call the inspector. Never failed an inspection yet. I have no idea what im going to do if he moves or anything.
03:03 PM roycroft: i can do electrical work better than many electricians
03:03 PM roycroft: the problem is, i'm not a state licensed contractor
03:04 PM roycroft: i can perform the work in my own home
03:04 PM roycroft: but i cannot legally do it outside my home
03:04 PM roycroft: and yes, it is hard to find good contractors
03:05 PM roycroft: that's why i use the same two electrical contractors whenever possible - i've been working with one of them for 25 years, and the other for 15 years
03:05 PM roycroft: and i know them and trust them
03:05 PM aaroncnc: i kndia wish if an inspector okays the work it should not matter who did it. but i am sure there are reasons
03:06 PM roycroft: one of the biggest reasons is that non-licensed contractors usually do not pull permits or get inspections
03:06 PM roycroft: and while that's difficult to track for homeowners doing their own work, the risk is with the homeowner
03:06 PM roycroft: but for someone to do the work commercially, it puts others besides the person performing the work at risk
03:07 PM roycroft: so the requirements are more stringent for folks performing that kind of work
03:07 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if the fire marshall can enter private residences for random inspections here or not
03:07 PM roycroft: but they can and do inspect businesses
03:08 PM roycroft: if you've done electrical work and it wasn't permitted, an inspection will usually turn that up
03:09 PM roycroft: i would also be willing to bet that most people on this channel know more about doing electrical work properly than the average homeowner, by a huge margin
03:09 PM aaroncnc: true
03:15 PM JT-Shop: wow I just got a gift from Andy
03:15 PM roycroft: nice
03:36 PM unterhaus: JT - RJ45 boards?
03:38 PM JT-Shop: aye, trying to figure out what connector works on it...
03:39 PM unterhaus: is that for a 7i96? are you going to sell them?
03:47 PM roycroft: what boards are they?
03:59 PM JT-Shop: for any smart serial card
04:00 PM JT-Shop: so you can use a patch cord from the main card to the smart serial card,
04:00 PM JT-Shop: I have 6 with vertical connectors and 20 boards only but I need right angle connectors
04:01 PM JT-Shop: I'll give the 6 away and charge whatever my cost is for the connector on the other 20 when someone buys a smart serial card
04:29 PM JT-Shop: hmm, seems I have the correct assembled ones, now to find the connector but first spoil the hens
04:30 PM Tom_L: handy adapter to have..
04:57 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/lFev3psD0UI pretty cool. 3 stages for media blaster
04:57 PM XXCoder: to get rid of worn or other stuff out of media
05:03 PM JT-Shop: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/43324-connecting-smart-serial-cables
05:05 PM JT-Shop: I have a single cyclone on my blast cabinet but the outlet from the cabinet is up high so only the fine dust goes out
05:06 PM XXCoder: yeah essentally acting as distillery
05:06 PM XXCoder: 2 stage seem to be pretty good on batch renewing media
05:12 PM roycroft: i added a cyclone to my dust extraction system last spring, with a 55 gallon drum as the receptacle
05:12 PM roycroft: i emptied the dust bag on the extractor at the time
05:12 PM roycroft: i've emptied the 55 gallon drum a dozen times since then, and the extractor dust back is still empty
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you're not trying hard enough
05:14 PM XXCoder: roy yeah cyclone is amazing effecient
05:15 PM XXCoder: its why that guy is using very cheap crap one so it drops media, more fine media going up into cyclone to be rid of
05:16 PM roycroft: it's amazing how well it works
05:16 PM roycroft: and the thing is, it takes me the better part of two hours to empty the bag on the extractor, and it makes a huge mess
05:16 PM roycroft: but with the cyclone, i just line the 55 gallon drum with a leaf bag, and i can swap it out in less than five minutes
05:16 PM roycroft: with zero mess
05:40 PM roguish[m]: frick..... .trying to call my local SS office to get an in office appointment. on hold for 19 minutes, then hung up on. several times now...........
05:40 PM JT-Shop: good luck with that, are they even allowing people inside?
05:42 PM roguish[m]: well, gotta get an appointment by phone, but just finding that impossible.
05:43 PM roguish[m]: actually went to the office to see.. security guard turned me awaw..... he was ok, just doing his job. we both giggled.
05:44 PM JT-Shop: at our ss office you went inside to make an appointment but that was pre-covid
05:45 PM JT-Shop: put them on speed dial lol
05:45 PM JT-Shop: now where is my drain can for the compressor? must be next to my good shop scissors!
05:46 PM roguish[m]: the dialing is easy, the hold music is shit.....
05:53 PM JT-Shop: I hate that crap especially when it's loud and crackly
05:53 PM JT-Shop: I need to drain the air tank more often like monthly when I change my underware
05:54 PM roguish[m]: our government not at work........ I don't mind taxes too much, just wish I got good value for 'em.....
05:54 PM _unreal_: then dont vote democrat
05:55 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, just turn them inside out... good for another month
05:55 PM _unreal_: roguish[m], I would be more then willing to bet that office has not had ANY apointments. paid to do nothing
05:56 PM roguish[m]: _unreal_: you do live in Florida, huh? how's MaraLago these days?
05:56 PM _unreal_: ??? shrug??? I'm way south of that area
05:56 PM _unreal_: though I will be going to west palm tomorrow to pick up an order of TEAK wood
05:57 PM roguish[m]: been out raping the rain forests again...
06:01 PM _unreal_: ?
06:01 PM _unreal_: not sure what that means
06:02 PM _unreal_: !@%@#$^#$% working on a big cad drawing and its CHUGGING
06:02 PM _unreal_: sigh
06:02 PM roycroft: perhaps we should just move on :)
06:02 PM _unreal_: waiting for rendering to finish
06:02 PM _unreal_: perhaps you should move on ;)
06:02 PM _unreal_: sup roycroft
06:03 PM roycroft: i am happy
06:03 PM roycroft: st vincent de paul just showed up and hauled away a refrigerator and a van full of styrofoam
06:03 PM _unreal_: well theres a lite load for ya
06:03 PM _unreal_: LOL
06:04 PM roycroft: yes, it's light, but very bulky
06:04 PM _unreal_: OMG.... chugging again
06:04 PM _unreal_: ?
06:04 PM _unreal_: light? or lite
06:04 PM roycroft: there is no such word as 'lite'
06:04 PM roycroft: that's a late 20th century abomination that somehow has caught on with the masses
06:04 PM roycroft: but refuse to use the word
06:04 PM JT-Shop: roguish[m], you signing up for ss?
06:05 PM roycroft: anyway
06:05 PM roycroft: i have a shelving unit arrving on thursday that will go where the refrigerator was
06:05 PM roycroft: it's indoors, not in my shop
06:05 PM roycroft: and i'll be able to use it to store cut wood parts for my products
06:05 PM XXCoder: roy living languages change
06:05 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: just did it online last week. should get a phone call soon to finish. February should be the start.
06:06 PM roycroft: yes, xxcoder, and i go along with some of the changes
06:06 PM roycroft: but some i resist
06:07 PM roycroft: the only meaning the word 'lite' has for me is something printed on a can of malted beverage that is so horrible it has to be chilled to just above freezing so that one can get it down one's throat without gagging
06:07 PM XXCoder: lol
06:07 PM roycroft: and i don't partake in that kind of beverage
06:07 PM roguish[m]: jeeeeeze you're tough to please.
06:07 PM _unreal_: I have PBR in front of me right now
06:08 PM JT-Shop: yippee my bedrug shipped today
06:08 PM roguish[m]: even if it's free ????
06:08 PM _unreal_: LOL I read that as BED BUG
06:08 PM roycroft: i'd turn down a free bud lite unless i were dying of thirst
06:08 PM _unreal_: I was thinking to my self WELL does not take much to please him
06:08 PM roycroft: and even then i'd have to think about it
06:09 PM _unreal_: I cant stand lite beer period
06:09 PM _unreal_: I dont do that diet crap
06:09 PM roycroft: i don't drink the really high end beverages much
06:09 PM roycroft: but i do have minimum standards
06:10 PM _unreal_: and what are your minimum standards when it comes to alcohol?
06:10 PM XXCoder: "lite?" uh you got piss i can drink so I dont die?
06:10 PM XXCoder: ;)
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: did you see the video of the Free Bud Lite dispenser? It was over the water faucet
06:11 PM JT-Shop: crap google says my mesaus.com site is still marked noindex...
06:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it does show up in my searches now
06:14 PM JT-Shop: that's a start but google sent me an email bout some pages
06:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Site first indexed by Google
06:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: More than 10 years ago
06:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we need to spam it on some social sites
06:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that also gets the rankings up
06:17 PM JT-Shop: I'll putz with it in the morning chow time here
06:17 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:18 PM roguish[m]: well, it's rum and tonic time.
06:19 PM _unreal_: connection reset? wtf?
06:19 PM _unreal_: heh
06:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop:
06:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Google Analytics
06:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you can run it for a few weeks/months and then remove
06:48 PM _unreal_: ugh
06:48 PM _unreal_: hate doing stupid complex drawings that CHUG my puter
07:03 PM _unreal_: so my father just told me he got his pep scan results... 100% free of stage4 cancer
07:11 PM _unreal_: hello?
07:24 PM roycroft: aliexpress just sent me an email asking me to take a survey regarding their customer service
07:25 PM roycroft: should i be mean and actually take the survey?
07:25 PM roycroft: and congrats on that, _unreal_
07:43 PM solarwind: Ugh this oxy acetylene thing is starting to become another obsession
07:43 PM _unreal_: ?
07:43 PM solarwind: Victor 315FC+ torch + cutting head + most tips, Victor 100FC + cutting head + most tips, now want to get the J28
07:44 PM solarwind: The valves on the 100FC are so smooth that bumping into them with the palm ever so slightly is enough to throw off the flame adjustment. Need to stiffen them up a bit somehow just a tad
07:45 PM solarwind: The turbotorch handles and tips are so nice for propane + air stuff. Solid brass feels nice and sturdy in the hand
07:45 PM solarwind: But sooooo expensive
07:46 PM roycroft: my oxy-acetylene torch set is victor, but i don't recall the model offhand
07:46 PM roycroft: it's nice and it works fine
07:46 PM roycroft: that's all i care about
07:46 PM roycroft: if i were using it daily i might ask for more
07:47 PM roycroft: but that can get to be a big money sink really fast
07:47 PM solarwind: Indeed
07:47 PM roycroft: iirc i paid about $500 for the basis setup, which had the torch handle, cutting attachment, and i think a rosebud
07:47 PM roycroft: oh, and a wrench and nice toolbox
07:47 PM solarwind: I bought an oxygen concentrator and "home fill" kit so I can fill my own high pressure oxygen cylinders
07:47 PM roycroft: and some fairly useless goggles
07:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: telling aliexpress that they act like a bunch of scammer is not mean, it;s accurate
07:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: dah truth hurts
07:48 PM roycroft: i don't know that they are scammers
07:48 PM roycroft: my impression of them is that they're inept
07:48 PM roycroft: but perhaps they cultivate an atmosphere of ineptness to cover for being actual scammers
07:48 PM XXCoder: aliexpress has many sellers
07:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they act like a bunch of scammer
07:49 PM roycroft: yes, but like ebay, all the money filters through aliexpress
07:49 PM XXCoder: aliexpress used to be better :(
07:49 PM roycroft: and all complaintes filter through aliexpress
07:49 PM roycroft: when i had problems with my recent purchase i dealt with the vendor directly for a bit
07:50 PM roycroft: then i opened a case with aliexpress, who intervened, then dropped the ball
07:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: scammers scammers scammers
07:50 PM roycroft: the real question that must ponder is this:
07:51 PM roycroft: can i be bothered to even tell them what i think of them?
07:51 PM roycroft: it will probably be years before i ever buy from aliexpress again, if ever
07:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you tell the tale here often ebough :)
07:51 PM roycroft: i'm getting to the point of just not caring about them, and pretending they do not exist
07:51 PM XXCoder: its not really worth it nowdays anyway
07:51 PM roycroft: as a warning to my friends here :)
07:51 PM XXCoder: it used to be lot cheaper than other sites, just wait month or 2
07:52 PM XXCoder: nowdays its barely cheaper
07:52 PM XXCoder: and still wait a month or so for some
07:52 PM roycroft: besides
07:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and their customer service sucks
07:52 PM XXCoder: capt that used to be a lot better
07:52 PM roycroft: if i buy stuff from aliexpress someone in china gets to exploit people with the profits
07:52 PM roycroft: if i instead buy stuff from amazon, jeff bezos gets to buy another penis rocket
07:53 PM solarwind: I think you just defined capitalism
07:53 PM roycroft: i would not know
07:53 PM solarwind: well, crony capitalism at least
07:53 PM roycroft: i've never experienced capitalism
07:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: send aliexpress a pcture the Bezos rocket
07:54 PM roycroft: we're a corporate oligarchy in this country, not a capitalist society
07:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: shh you're gonna upset the pro-oligarchs
07:56 PM roycroft: yes, i've found that the folks who shout about "snowflakes" the loudest are actually the real snowflakes
07:56 PM roycroft: it's that ironic projetion thing again
07:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the authoritarians are sensitive to criticism
07:57 PM roycroft: our democratically ousted dear leader being one of the most authoritarian presidents in our history, and by orders of magnitude the most sensitive to criticism
07:58 PM * roycroft should go make dinnner, lest he otherwise devolve into a conversation that some might find uncomfortable
07:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: bubble bursterer
08:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/r52rk5/a_little_joke_to_her_brotherwcgw/
08:20 PM XXCoder: pretty fast reaction