#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 10 2021

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:07 AM Deejay: moin
01:24 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm installing 2.8.2 on some systems this early morning and I thought that screen blanking was turned off by default
01:26 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/40379-how-to-disable-screen-lock-in-linuxcnc-debian-buster
01:27 AM CaptHindsight[m]: this ISO still has it ON by default
01:29 AM t4nk_freenode: pfffffffffffffffffff :|
01:29 AM t4nk_freenode: I kept messing around with that hal and ini stuff...
01:29 AM t4nk_freenode: thinking my double y axis wasn't working
01:29 AM t4nk_freenode: while all I had to do was hit home
02:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: hah!
02:19 AM randy: morning
03:03 AM Loetmichel: mornin'. Any CNC-6040 users that know if the ballnuts can be adjusted for play?
03:04 AM Loetmichel: I just noticed that i have about 0,15mm play in x and y. Making a 6040 work 8 hours a day for 6 years seems to wear it down a bit
03:19 AM enleth: Loetmichel: not sure about the epecific ballnuts, but most of them have a ball return pipe that can be removed, shortening it *very* slightly might do the trick
03:20 AM enleth: *specific
03:21 AM enleth: Loetmichel: on the other hand, the thing probably paid for itself a bazillion times over with so much machining time and you would probably be better off buying new screw assemblies
03:23 AM enleth: trying to patch up a wear issue in such a critical component in a machine that makes money on a daily basis is not always a good idea
03:52 AM Loetmichel: yep, but it'll take a while to get new ballscrews. Its more of a stopgap measure
03:53 AM Loetmichel: if possible
04:19 AM Valen: you can get oversized balls Loetmichel
04:20 AM sensille: probably more expensive than a new china-grade ballscrew :)
04:20 AM Valen: also if you really want anti-backlash without it grinding itself to death (normally backlash is taken out by oversized balls from new, but that has always struck me as bad) what we did was 2x regular ball nuts with a strong spring preload between them.
04:21 AM Valen: get china grade oversize balls sensille ;-P the real issue is anything you do that needs shipping kills it
04:21 AM Valen: You may be able to get oversized balls from a local supplier though
04:21 AM Valen: I may just like saying oversized balls.
04:22 AM sensille: trainspotting?
04:41 AM 038AACFKZ: morning
04:42 AM Loetmichel: sensille: and not shorter in de,ivery time i imagine
04:43 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Loetmichel: are you certain that the backlash is in the ballnut vs the end bearings? End fixity.
04:57 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.linearmotiontips.com/whats-the-purpose-of-a-double-ball-nut/
04:59 AM CaptHindsight[m]: hmmm 8 hours a day for 6 years = 24 hours a day for two years, the wear sounds premature
05:04 AM CaptHindsight[m]: .6m once every minute x 2 years = 631 Km
05:05 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://tech.thk.com/upload/catalog_claim/pdf/322E_ball_option.pdf
05:08 AM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight[m]: yes, sure
05:09 AM Loetmichel: one can feel the ballscrew clank again against the ballnut. not the ballscrew moving against the bearings when you move the gantry/milling head
05:09 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you going tom get new screws?
05:10 AM CaptHindsight[m]: tom/to
05:10 AM Loetmichel: i think so
05:10 AM Loetmichel: at least new ballnuts
05:10 AM Loetmichel: but i think buying those in pairs work better (aka ballscrew/nit pairs)
05:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: does it clank over the whole range of the screw?
05:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: screw might be worn more in some spots than others or if chineseium balls maybe just the soft balls are worn
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05:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.steinmeyer.com/en/products/kugelgewindetrieb/
05:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amannesmann.de/
05:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: or will the boss only approve screws from China?
05:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 💰️
05:32 AM Loetmichel: probably the latter, CaptHindsight[m]
05:35 AM Deejay: re
05:39 AM Tom_L: morning
05:45 AM JT-Cave: <038AACFKZ> morning
05:45 AM JT-Cave: that was me this morning wtf happened to my nick
06:31 AM Tom_L: heh
07:14 AM Tom_L: added a 2nd ilowpass to the mix because the pendant jog was too slow on the rotary
07:14 AM Tom_L: now 10 clicks on the mpg is 1 degree
07:14 AM Tom_L: on the coarse setting
07:14 AM JT-Cave: nice
07:15 AM JT-Cave: I was working on the Kawasaki assembly machine all day yesterday till 5pm
07:15 AM JT-Cave: gotta go back this morning and finish it up
07:15 AM Tom_L: i take it you got the delrin part made
07:15 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SHOP_2.8.1/my_jog_A.hal
07:16 AM Tom_L: headin out... later
07:46 AM XXCoder: cheap encoder https://youtu.be/Ww0m7PPZYXU
07:46 AM XXCoder: interesting
08:31 AM unterhaus_: til there are oil filler caps that need wrenches to get off
10:47 AM roycroft[m]: I set up a VM last night to test PyCAM, and found that it doesn't work on a modern operating system. PyCam was abandoned about 10 years ago, and then resuscitated about 4 years ago for an updated release, but hasn't been updated since. It depends on some old libraries that are no longer readily available.
10:47 AM roycroft[m]: It's too bad, as I recall multiple people here saying they use it and it generates Gcode for LinuxCNC nicely.
11:38 AM cspike: roycroft[m]: https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/pycam
11:38 AM cspike: roycroft[m]: https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/pycam/releases says, the latest release is from 07/2019
11:44 AM roycroft: yes
11:44 AM roycroft: and that does not work on debian 11
12:22 PM Tom_L: so run it on something older
12:22 PM roycroft[m]: That's never something I want to do if I can help it.
12:23 PM Tom_L: bleeding edge kindof guy ehh
12:23 PM roycroft[m]: It's bad enough keeping things updated over time, but to intentionally install on old systems is just asking for trouble.
12:24 PM roycroft[m]: I'm not at all a bleeding edge kind of guy. I'm actually very conservative when it comes to managing IT systems. A current stable release is by no means "bleeding edge".
12:24 PM roycroft[m]: Bleeding Edge is not the alternative to Unsupported Legacy.
12:27 PM Tom_L: i still have DOS 6.22 & NT on a pc i use daily :)
12:28 PM Tom_L: i have nothing i use personally with windows10
12:28 PM roguish[m]: roycroft: seb is quite active on the -devel channel. see if he can fix pycam for debian 11....
12:28 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: NT is great.
12:29 PM Tom_L: i don't use it much but it sits there never the less
12:29 PM roguish[m]: developed by the guy who did VMS
12:29 PM cspike: roguish[m]: Why doesn't it run on debian 11. I'm sure seb_kuzminsky accepts PRs
12:30 PM Tom_L: i do try to stay fairly current with linuxcnc
12:30 PM roguish[m]: cspike: don't know. just reading back at roycroft
12:30 PM cspike: Oh, sorry, autocomplete picked the wrong username
12:31 PM cspike: roguish[m]: Nothing to see here, carry on
12:31 PM cspike: ;)
12:32 PM cspike: roycroft[m]: Why doesn't it run on debian 11? I'm sure seb_kuzminsky accepts PRs
12:39 PM roycroft[m]: There are some libraries missing in Debian 11 that are not available via aptitude.
12:39 PM roycroft[m]: I'll document the issue and contact seb_kuzminksy. Thanks.
12:40 PM Tom_L: are they on sid?
12:40 PM roycroft[m]: It was late last night when I did this and I do not remember the details, nor did I document the install - it was intended as an initial test to see if it worked or not.
12:40 PM Tom_L: you might look there too
12:40 PM Tom_L: sid=unstable
12:42 PM roycroft[m]: I installed it on my laptop last night. I'll build a VM on my iMac and document the install, so that I can report accurately what happens.
12:44 PM roycroft[m]: I really would like to try it - while I may be able to budget for some commercial CAM software, I have better uses for that money at the moment, and as I anticipate my short-term needs for such software are not that complex, PyCAM might fit the bill well and save me a few hundred dollars, or, at least, postpone the expense.
12:45 PM Tom_L: be nice if you could find one that's not all cloudy
12:45 PM roycroft[m]: And BTW, Tom_L, I do have a machine that has DOS 6.2 on it still - it has an eprom burner that still works and only runs on MS-DOS.
12:45 PM Tom_L: heh
12:46 PM Tom_L: can you still get eproms though?
12:46 PM roycroft[m]: I haven't powered up that machine in years, as I haven't needed to burn an eprom in years, so I don't know if it works or not any more. It's actually on my list to test - if it works, I'll keep it. If not, I have real estate that I can recover.
12:47 PM roycroft[m]: I have a bunch of eeproms still, and a UV eraser for them.
12:47 PM roycroft[m]: Perhaps it's time to contact a technology museum and see if they're interested in a donation. :)
12:47 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/mtkflash/flash_howto_index.php
12:49 PM roycroft[m]: And yay - my goodies from Mouser are on the FedEx van and will be delivered today.
12:49 PM roycroft[m]: That order contains the last few components I need to get my mill wired up and working.
12:49 PM Tom_L: pretty sure mine is all set to test some rotary code
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12:54 PM unterhaus_: who could have predicted there would be price gouging on pi4
12:55 PM roycroft[m]: I'm not at all surprised by that - it's been in short supply for months.
01:04 PM roycroft[m]: And speaking of allocating monies elsewhere, I really need to upgrade my iMac. It's embarasssing that it is so much slower than my laptop. I suspect the "fusion" drive is pretty much toast at this point. I think getting an external SSD would make it perform much, much better.
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01:05 PM roycroft[m]: It's taking about 5x as long to do a Debian install on my iMac as it took last night on my laptop.
01:06 PM unterhaus_: they have a batch of macbook pros from 2013 at penn state salvage for what I consider $$$
01:07 PM roycroft[m]: My MBP is a late 2013 model. It works fine.
01:08 PM roycroft[m]: I'm still running Catalina on it, but once I upgrade a couple software packages it will be ready to run Monterey.
01:08 PM roycroft[m]: VMWare Fusion being a major app that I need to upgrade.
01:09 PM unterhaus_: some of them were from 2015
01:10 PM unterhaus_: those things probably were crazy expensive, 16gb ram and 500 gb ssd
01:10 PM unterhaus_: $400 now
01:10 PM roycroft[m]: They were not all that expensive for what they are.
01:12 PM roycroft[m]: Laptops with fast graphics and a display the quality of a MBP are in the $2000-$2500 range. You can't compare a MBP to a $350 low end Acer.
01:26 PM unterhaus_: I'm just comparing them to a high end portable workstation from dell with the same equipment
01:26 PM unterhaus_: at least double
01:27 PM unterhaus_: and tbh, I am not buying one of those dells with my own money unless I really need it
01:28 PM roycroft[m]: FedEx have arrived with my parts, so I have a project to work on during lunch today.
01:29 PM roycroft[m]: Dell displays are arse.
01:29 PM roycroft[m]: I bought a Dell 4k display once and took it back right away - it looked like utter crap next to my iMac main display.
01:33 PM unterhaus_: see, your mistake was getting used to better displays
01:39 PM unterhaus_: I used to be obsessed with audio quality and then my hearing went bad. Saves thousands of dollars on audio equipment
01:40 PM aaroncnc: trying play around with hal and running into a problem. i am getting "pin motion.spindle−on does not exist" But i have loadrt motmod setup so it should be there. any idea what i am missing?
01:40 PM roycroft[m]: I'm still very happy with my vintage McIntosh hifi gear.
01:43 PM roycroft[m]: PyCAM is working now. seb_kuzminksky suggested that I install the latest development version. It moved from Python 2 to Python 3 in the 7.x train, and that did the trick.
01:44 PM unterhaus_: hate to be capt obvious, but if it says a pin doesn't exist, you didn't load it or didn't spell the name right
02:09 PM unterhaus_: adafruit seems to have pi4 4gb for $55
02:11 PM unterhaus_: is adafruit in new york?
02:12 PM unterhaus_: yes, they are
02:21 PM aaroncnc: hmm so it seems the remora QEM with a 300ppr encoder maxes out at 13k rpm not bad
02:26 PM unterhaus_: what is the QEM?
02:27 PM unterhaus_: some kind of module?
02:30 PM unterhaus_: remora might be the most popular subject on the forum
02:33 PM aaroncnc: unterhaus_, yes its a feature built into the chip lpc1768 it has a built in quad encoder module so QEM
02:34 PM aaroncnc: im working on a easy setup spindle pid. currently i am using a pwm gen on the servo thread. but i dont think i need it. i just need the pid to adjust a value between 0-100.
03:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: LCNC was more popular than Remora until the boards became difficult to source
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: I think QEM is the quadrature encoder module in the microcontroller https://remora-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/firmware/Setup-Config-File.html#qei renamed for more confusion
03:12 PM {HD}_ is now known as {HD}
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: aaroncnc: why do you think Remora is so popular? It saves uses a few $ that run their hardware without any protection? i.e. cnc glue guns and small tabletop cnc routers
03:14 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], the protection part is due to the lack of high speed opto isolation correct?
03:15 PM t4nk_freenode: 2209's do have some protection built in though?
03:15 PM aaroncnc: the hardware is so cheap its kinda to the point that a high speed opto isolation board would cost more than the entire main board so why bother?
03:16 PM aaroncnc: granted this shortage has bumped up prices in the past some of the boards were only 20-30$
03:16 PM t4nk_freenode: and glue guns.. I think they're pretty nifty
03:16 PM t4nk_freenode: v happy with mine
03:17 PM t4nk_freenode: and I couldn't have built my lowly tabletop cnc without it either
03:18 PM t4nk_freenode: skilled ppl could have, though.
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why hasn't some reprapper dropped an Allwinner onto a RAMPS-ish board?
03:19 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], the hardware is familiar to most people who have used 3d printers. it makes the steps less scary. linuxcnc= scary mesa=scary. 3d printer main board plus rasbian sounds simple.
03:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: isn't there some stepper shield with the Rpi pinout?
03:19 PM aaroncnc: https://www.panucatt.com/Re_ARM_for_RAMPS_p/ra1768.htm
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: aaroncnc: so you think it is mostly FFF printer users that are suddenly interested?
03:20 PM aaroncnc: Yes but then you are using the RPI for the step gen and that limits you vs using the mainbaord for the step gen.
03:21 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], some new some old. i can only say for myself. i feel more comfortable around this hardware vs mesa and it much faster than paraport
03:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the board in your link uses a LPC1768 so no LCNC unless you use Remora
03:22 PM JT-Shop: holy crap batman my truck is in transit
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's like the poopieboards
03:23 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], remora is very young i am sure over time it will have faster step rates and more features.
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: poopie/smoothie
03:24 PM aaroncnc: i have spent so much time with this hardware its kinda like the back of my hand. i have 4 3d printers with this hardware that i have made or worked on. from a cr-10 to a stratasys fdm 2000 500 pound beast of a printer.
03:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Allwinner and Rockchips with integrated MCU's don't need an extra MCU board, but they still need stepper drivers
03:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I've only used LCNC for all my printer designs, SLA, DLP/LCD, SLS, Inkjet etc etc
03:26 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], it would be nice for more options. i kinda like the idea tho of the computer having a layer between it and the driving side electronics. i can blow a main board and repair or replace cheaper than i can rework a rpi4 or replace it.
03:27 PM aaroncnc: so if i had an allwinner board and i fried it there is not much chance of me fixing it. Also i have already had to repair my rpi4 when i sent 14V into the gpio and i still works after replacing a diode.
03:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Opi needs a stepper driver carrier board that plugs right into the Rpi pinout
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rpi socket with BOB and LPT connector could also be handy
03:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for stepper motors too big to drive from 2209's and similar drives
03:31 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], would love to talk more but i have to go for the night!
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/ChrisWag91/PI-LCNC
03:49 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], rapids ~1200
03:49 PM Tom_L: deg/sec?
03:49 PM Tom_L: min
03:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 360 deg is one rev, how many can you run per second?
03:51 PM Tom_L: i should check it i suppose
03:51 PM Tom_L: uploading test cut
03:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 80k steps per rev
03:51 PM Tom_L: still learining..
03:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe 2.5x that
03:52 PM Tom_L: i did an end cut to 'face off' a tube (simulated in wood)
03:52 PM Tom_L: painfully slow
03:52 PM Tom_L: given it used the stock feeds for the cutter
03:52 PM Tom_L: profile was better
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but the motor maxes out around 1K rpm = 16.6 RPS
03:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so we have to be clear about motor rev vs indexer revs
03:54 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvDBfJQT2Ec
03:54 PM Tom_L: just some random test cuts
03:54 PM Tom_L: you can probably skip thru half of it
03:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 0.4166 indexer revs per second
03:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: x 60 = 25 rpm for the indexer
03:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with the stepper at 1K rpm
03:55 PM Tom_L: profile starts ~2 min
03:56 PM Tom_L: i wanted to see how it would do so i added a 'notch' in the 2nd one
03:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: be back in a bit, have to see some sun/clouds b4 dark
04:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 25 rpm = 9000 deg/min = 150deg/sec
04:10 PM Tom_L: 10 rpm with my current settings
04:13 PM Tom_L: at the 3 jaw chuck
04:14 PM Tom_L: current settings: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SHOP_2.8.1/
04:14 PM Tom_L: config is anything with an _A on the end
04:15 PM JT-Shop: hmm no spindle... time to troubleshoot that!
04:19 PM JT-Shop: hmm the serial port is enabled in the bios...
04:24 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: HEYY I smell chips heh
04:27 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, no spindle on what?
04:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how about a 4-5 axis cnc mill for wood projects? Call it Wood-U-Do-It
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or the Do-It for Wood-U
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for/from
04:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Wood-Knot
04:42 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, the BP mill... turns out the drive has communication problems when only half of the header pins are in the socket!
04:50 PM Tom_L: i've got a DB25 that way
04:50 PM Tom_L: i should fix it but don't feel like redoing 25 wires
04:53 PM XXCoder: tom how was cut? it looked good but then i cant tell by audio heh
04:53 PM XXCoder: only issue i saw is pausing each rotation
04:58 PM Tom_L: it did what it was told
04:58 PM Tom_L: i think the pause was reading the next gcode line calculating X & A
04:58 PM Tom_L: i dunno
04:59 PM Tom_L: but X followed A anyway
05:01 PM Tom_L: what i haven't figued out with an A only move like on the end why the feed is so slow but with A & X it seems more normal
05:01 PM JT-Shop: this was the COM header on the MB
05:01 PM Tom_L: and i bumped the feed up on that from the cad cam
05:01 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, ahh
05:02 PM XXCoder: tom in least theres nice progress :)
05:02 PM Tom_L: mostly was testing the post
05:02 PM Tom_L: i may look into a different type of feed in the cam for rotary
05:03 PM JT-Shop: kinda of a tight space and I missed with the plug when I put it on
05:03 PM Tom_L: not sure what all the options are but i selected the one from the job plan
05:03 PM roycroft[m]: JT-Shop: when you have a minute, please talk to me about OneCNC
05:08 PM JT-Shop: be back in a min or so
05:13 PM JT-Shop: roycroft[m], I'm back
05:13 PM Tom_L: i wonder if i should use degrees per minute instead of from the job file feedrate for the rotary
05:14 PM Tom_L: another option is inverse time but i don't think that's the one
05:15 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i was telling him you used OneCNC
05:17 PM roycroft[m]: JT-Shop: I'm visiting CAM options again, as I may have budget for a commercial product if necessary.
05:17 PM roycroft[m]: Tom_L told me you use OneCNC, and I'd like to know your impressions of it, whether you use it just for the CAM functions, and, if you don't mind, roughly what it costs (and the version you use)
05:19 PM roycroft[m]: For my initial needs I think that 3 axis 3D modeling is what works for me.
05:19 PM JT-Shop: I have version 21 from 2005 or so and don't remember the price but it seems like $2500 or so
05:20 PM roycroft[m]: Oh, OK. That's more than I want to spend.
05:20 PM JT-Shop: I have XR4 Mill 3D Professional but have only rarely used the 3D stuff
05:20 PM JT-Shop: that was 12 years ago so an email to them is best to see what they have to offer now
05:21 PM roycroft[m]: That's getting into the ballpark of upgrading my Solidworks license and getting the free CAM software that comes with Solidworks now
05:21 PM Tom_L: being new, is the SW cam buggy?
05:22 PM Tom_L: f360 sure is
05:22 PM JT-Shop: that might be a better option, but I'd get on the SW forum and inquire about it
05:22 PM roycroft[m]: It's not new.
05:22 PM Tom_L: ok
05:23 PM Tom_L: jt, you see the first test cuts?
05:23 PM roycroft[m]: In fact, my version (2012) was the last version for which it was not available. It's an odd arrangement - it's not bundled with the product, but one can request it from the vendor and it is provided at no additional cost.
05:25 PM JT-Shop: really, I have 2014
05:26 PM Tom_L: so switching to degree per min the feed went from 13 which is what the linear feed is to 1564
05:28 PM roycroft[m]: The vendor not being D'Assault systems, but rather SolidCAM
05:29 PM roycroft[m]: JT-Shop: you should be able to request the CAM software from SolidCAM
05:29 PM roycroft[m]: Unless 2014 was so long ago they're not doing that any more for that version.
05:30 PM roycroft[m]: At any rate, if I end up purchasing commercial software I need to budget <$1k for it, so OneCNC is likely not an option.
05:30 PM roycroft[m]: I just got PyCAM working, and that might get me by for a while
05:30 PM roycroft[m]: For the router, there are some Vectric products that might work out and cost <$1k
05:31 PM roycroft[m]: And there's always bamcam and its ilk
05:31 PM roycroft[m]: er, cambam
05:31 PM roycroft[m]: whatever they call it :)
05:33 PM roycroft[m]: And dang, UPS have arrived (early for once), and there are hour meters in the package.
05:33 PM roycroft[m]: I forgot to make space for one in the panel I just finished designing and which I am just about to go start laying out.
05:34 PM roycroft[m]: Now I have to regroup.
05:34 PM roycroft[m]: Better now than 30 seconds after I started laying out the panel or machining it.
05:34 PM roycroft[m]: Lanth3nat3d20
05:35 PM roycroft[m]: and ack again, my computer is mispasting all over the place today
05:36 PM JT-Shop: I'll email them to see
05:36 PM JT-Shop: in any case my information about onecnc is very outdated...
05:40 PM unterhaus_: I always thought Dassault Systems making their logo "BS" was intentional
05:40 PM unterhaus_: crazy French people
05:41 PM * JT-Shop heads down to tuck the chickens in and read them a bedtime story
05:49 PM unterhaus_: I got some nickel silver flux on the way. Brass flux and nickel silver don't work that well together
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looks like you have to kill screen blanking in X even on the 2.8.2 ISO, why is it even ON by default?
05:51 PM Tom_L: actually degrees / min might not be so bad
05:52 PM Tom_L: it certainly helped that first cut
06:02 PM Tom_L: so i wonder if that adjusts acording to the diameter based on the feed in the tool table
06:03 PM skunkworks: inverse time...
06:03 PM Tom_L: that one didn't work
06:04 PM Tom_L: i'll run a test with a larger diameter wrap
06:05 PM Tom_L: see if the numbers change with the same tool
06:07 PM unterhaus_: CaptHindsight[m]how do you do it in X?
06:08 PM unterhaus_: how do you turn off screen blanking?
06:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: well I am trying by installing the xscreensaver and then disabling the daemon using the xscreensaver utility, but I am not the expert....
06:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: IF this fails then I ask the Linux dev down the hall to modify the X config
06:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that always works, but I'm doing several 2.8.2 installs right now and just dealing with the issues as they come up
06:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: IF he makes a new X config file as the real fix I'll post the fix on the forums and let you know here on IRC
06:23 PM unterhaus_: okey, thanks
06:24 PM unterhaus_: I used to be pretty good at x config and then they changed absolutely everything about it
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i recall turning off the screensaver and then still getting blanking after 2 hours
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: then killing that and maybe having to kill it in the kernel
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a few debians ago
06:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: veterinarians at The Pennsylvania State University have found active SARS-CoV-2 infections in at least 30% of deer tested across Iowa during 2020. The study, published online last week, suggests that white-tailed deer could become what's known as a reservoir for SARS-CoV-2 https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/11/10/1054224204/how-sars-cov-2-in-american-deer-could-alter-the-course-of-the-global-pandemic
06:34 PM unterhaus_: what are those penn staters doing out in Iowa trying to give deer covid?
06:35 PM unterhaus_: at least the rats on stilts that live around here aren't getting it
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they certainly get around :)
06:36 PM unterhaus_: wait, there is a veterinary school here?
06:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: coincidentally, when i went for my Covid test the other day the guy behind me teaches at Iowa State U
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: must be some pattern here
06:37 PM unterhaus_: shouldn't he be in Ames?
06:37 PM unterhaus_: the vets are in the ag school
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he was fed up with the idiot students there
06:38 PM unterhaus_: i guess that makes sense but I feel like vets are more serious about themselves to just be part of another department
06:38 PM unterhaus_: my dad went to Ia State and my mom went to U Ia. She was smarter
06:39 PM unterhaus_: I'm afraid to ask how they think the deer got covid in Iowa
06:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 😂
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🦌🍆
06:46 PM unterhaus_: deer are lots harder to catch than cows
06:46 PM unterhaus_: so I'm told
06:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh no https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/illinois-dnr-test-1-000-deer-coronavirus-winter
06:47 PM unterhaus_: yeah, I'm sure the hunters are going to take all those precautions
06:48 PM unterhaus_: done their own research
06:48 PM Tom_L: yay!!
06:49 PM Tom_L: degree/min it is
06:49 PM Tom_L: i did a 1" circle and a 10" and the feed changed accordingly
06:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: \0/ PCR test is Negative!
06:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so there must be some other bug going around
06:50 PM Tom_L: no, everything is covid now!
06:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: might be covid-21
06:50 PM Tom_L: or 22 who knows
06:51 PM Tom_L: ok for rotary it acts better using degrees per min instead of the tool description feed
06:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I can get the booster and seasonal vaccine now
06:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🧻
06:52 PM roycroft[m]: I got my seasonal flu shot a couple days ago
06:52 PM roycroft[m]: I'm good to go for the winter
06:52 PM Tom_L: for a 1" circle A-270 F1564.2 and a 10" circle A-270 F156.4
06:53 PM Tom_L: based on a ~13ipm linear feedrate
06:54 PM Tom_L: have they fired anyone you know for not being vaccinated?
06:55 PM Tom_L: i talked to a lady today that this was her last day due to that
06:55 PM XXCoder: sadly i dont have any coworker
06:57 PM Tom_L: anyway, i'd rather talk about linuxcnc and machining
06:58 PM Tom_L: i did feel bad for her as due to medical she couldn't
06:58 PM XXCoder: wait
06:59 PM XXCoder: she has actual medical reasons?
06:59 PM XXCoder: why is she being let go due to that
06:59 PM roycroft[m]: The hate mail we're getting at the Country Fair over our new vaccine policy is over the top. Left wing lunatics can be as vile and nasty and hateful as Right wing lunatics.
06:59 PM Tom_L: govt funding to the company i would assume
07:00 PM XXCoder: no, there should be actual medical exceptions
07:00 PM roycroft[m]: That has been stayed by a circuit court judge, Tom_L
07:00 PM Tom_L: they are going 100% vax or bye bye
07:00 PM Tom_L: roy i know
07:00 PM Tom_L: anyway, i'm glad this code is coming together
07:01 PM XXCoder: if shes not lying and all that, then she can sue company because yeah some people cant be vaccined for actual reasons, like certain health problems
07:02 PM Tom_L: i'd rather not drag this out.. but i think she's going to retire anyway
07:02 PM XXCoder: ok
07:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I am testing latency on a 10 YO Athlon II board. With internal graphics <50uS jitter max. I pop in an older PCI GPU and it spikes to 1600uS :)
07:56 PM Tom_L: heh
07:56 PM XXCoder: nice
09:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the 2.8.2 ISO also has quiet on in grub for boot
09:50 PM bjorkint0sh: are post files vendor or camware independent?
09:56 PM Tom_L: no
09:56 PM Tom_L: different languages they are written in
09:57 PM Tom_L: different machine specific things
09:58 PM Tom_L: the basic set of sections are probably similar
09:58 PM Tom_L: prof start, line, arc, helix, canned cycles etc
09:58 PM Tom_L: tool change, end prof
09:59 PM Tom_L: f360 are javascript
10:00 PM Tom_L: some like to charge for them
10:56 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, my machine is in pretty bad shape.. just had a peek, and the nut holder on the x lead screw is doing the mambo
10:56 PM t4nk_freenode: looks kind of funny too
10:57 PM XXCoder: got pic?
10:57 PM t4nk_freenode: I mean it's funny how that looks
10:58 PM t4nk_freenode: mmm, well, I can't really capture a mambo with a picture ;)
10:58 PM XXCoder: lol ok
10:59 PM t4nk_freenode: bleh, but it'll be ok.. I'll tighten it all up for now, and then I'll machine a new back plate to hold the bushings and leadscrew holder
10:59 PM t4nk_freenode: got a new design holder too, much better
11:00 PM t4nk_freenode: and a machined back plate will have a nice fit, so I can tighten everything up even better
11:02 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm tuning remora and linuxcnc too... got everything wired up and working
11:02 PM t4nk_freenode: not quite happy with how it runs yet
11:04 PM t4nk_freenode: might be because of the sloppy machine, but I think I need to dial in the acceleration settings and such
11:13 PM t4nk_freenode: I'd gotten used to mm/min too, but now I see a lot of mm/s