#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 06 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:39 AM Deejay: moin
05:00 AM Tom_L: morning
05:06 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:07 AM Tom_L: i'd been focusing on the ini and the problem was in the hal
05:07 AM Tom_L: i had 1 line i'd forgotten to uncomment
05:08 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUAqIt_YRQQ
05:10 AM JT-Cave: mine has a lot of backlash and is not smooth if you try and take it out
05:10 AM Tom_L: :/
05:11 AM Tom_L: send it back?
05:12 AM JT-Cave: I might
05:13 AM Tom_L: or maybe peek inside first
06:22 AM JT-Cave: yeah, I might do that today if I have time
11:01 AM unterhausen: andy got me thinking about cncing my lathe and I just started pricing ball screws
11:24 AM roycroft: hi folks
11:25 AM * roycroft has been thinking as well, and is somewhat conflicted
11:25 AM roycroft: i am well into the design of my cnc router, and have build much of the controller already
11:26 AM roycroft: but looking back at my intended use, it occured to me that a shaper origin might actually be a better way to go for that stuff
11:27 AM roycroft: given the use case of mostly making 2d templates/jigs an origin would be perfect, and it fits in a systainer
11:28 AM roycroft: i've already requisitioned many of the components for the router from my cnc mill project that's never been completed, so i could move all the work i've done so far to the mill, and get that finally completed
11:33 AM roycroft: i estimate the router will cost me another $2k or so to complete, and a shaper origin is close to $3k, so that's a definite consideration
11:40 AM roguish[m]: what's a 'shaper origin' ???
11:45 AM roycroft: it's a hand-operated cnc router
11:46 AM roguish[m]: sounds like a contradiction in terms....
11:46 AM roycroft: you lay down a grid of tape with dots on it that the machine uses to reference itself, and push it around by hand to do the work
11:47 AM roycroft: the machine compensates for your jerky movements and keeps the cutter tracked properly
11:48 AM roycroft: you just have to be able to aim withn about 12mm of where you need to be, which is not hard to do with a small cutter
11:48 AM roycroft: there are heaps of youtube videos on the shaper origin - even if woodworking is not your thing it's worth watching a short one
11:49 AM roycroft: the technology is pretty amazing
11:49 AM roguish[m]: ok, interesting. i'll look
11:51 AM roycroft: i was interested when they first came out, but i was turned off by the grid tape - it's single use, and very expensive
11:51 AM roycroft: and you need a lot of it for a project
11:52 AM roycroft: there's an origin workstation now, which is a work surface with a clamping mechanism on the front and has a permanent grid on the surface
11:52 AM roguish[m]: ok, i've seen that a while back.
11:52 AM roycroft: that makes it a lot more cost-effective to operate for some thigns
11:52 AM roycroft: i'm not sure the worstation would be the right thing for me,though
11:53 AM roycroft: it's pretty expensive, and somewhat limited in its capabilities, but it might be a good fit for my shop
01:07 PM pere: Anyone here know the mazak cnc mill?
01:17 PM Tom_L: pere, what is the real question?
01:17 PM Tom_L: maybe someone can help
01:18 PM Tom_L: maztrol is an odd control iirc
01:19 PM pere: I'm trying to get one running for the first time, and the thing turn on, but refuse to move anything. there are several warnings, and the diagnostic screen show 240% overload on the z axis. I wonder what could be wrong and how to get something moving.
01:20 PM Tom_L: bad servo?
01:21 PM pere: how can I check that hypothesis?
01:21 PM Tom_L: you're starting to lose me now :)
01:22 PM Tom_L: winding resistance
01:22 PM pere: how can I verify if the servo is bad?
01:22 PM Tom_L: winding to frame
01:23 PM pere: so locating where it is and try to move it?
01:24 PM roycroft: try a different servo
01:24 PM Tom_L: if it's shorted, i'm not sure i'd try that servo on another amp though
01:25 PM Tom_L: mind you none of this is specific to mazak
01:26 PM Tom_L: before you do much with Z, block it up in case the brake releases
01:26 PM Tom_L: it WILL crush you
01:26 PM pere: right.
01:26 PM Tom_L: that happened here year or so ago at a local shop
01:29 PM Tom_L: maybe unhook that servo / amp and try to jog X & Y
01:32 PM Tom_L: the Z servo may be different that X and Y too so swapping may not be an option
01:32 PM Tom_L: unless Z is counterbalanced well
01:38 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: yay! - looks good.
01:53 PM unterhausen: roycroft, as much as I want a shaper origin, I think you'll find a lot of uses for a cnc router that the SO can't do that well
01:57 PM roycroft: that
01:57 PM roycroft: is the conundrum for me
01:58 PM roycroft: the purpose for my building a cnc router is so that i can make jigs/figures out of mdf and plywood
01:58 PM roycroft: all 2d stuff
01:58 PM roycroft: most of which can be done easily with the shaper origin
01:59 PM roycroft: i might do some signmaking as well, as a fast and easy extra revenue source
01:59 PM roycroft: again, that can be done with a shaper origin
01:59 PM roycroft: however, if i complete the build of the cnc router, i'll likely find other uses for it over time, things that cannot be done with the origin
02:00 PM roycroft: as well, with a proper cnc router i can start a job, and do other things in the shop while it's running
02:00 PM roycroft: with an origin i would have to stand there and steer it throughout the job
02:00 PM roycroft: i wish the origin idea had not come to me last night
02:01 PM roycroft: because now i have to have a rethink on things
02:01 PM roycroft: while i'm getting this sorted i can continue with my work on the cnc controller - it's designed now for the router, but it would translate to the mill easily
02:01 PM roycroft: so i can continue building and testing that part of it
02:08 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, i think i need to reverse the direction but the rest seems good now
02:36 PM JT-Shop: unterhausen, are you in a hurry for that part?
02:54 PM unterhausen: JT-Shop, no, not really
03:05 PM JT-Shop: good, today and tomorrow I'm doing last thursday and friday work and most of next week I'll be in a plant
03:05 PM JT-Shop: trying to get this spoke lathe modifications done so I can collect a paycheck :)
03:24 PM JT-Shop: omg I need to plasma some parts out and the table is buried in stuff... time for a beer and give up
03:42 PM JT-Shop: lucky me there is a half sheet of 11 gauge under all that crap
03:42 PM XXCoder: yay
03:47 PM JT-Shop: and 11 gauge is what I needed
03:49 PM Tom_L: good thing it's saturday and you're retired :)
03:53 PM JT-Shop: I resemble that
03:53 PM XXCoder: from what I see with jt, you just get busier with retirement
03:55 PM Tom_L: i need to figure out how to code a straight line in Y on the A axis now
03:55 PM Tom_L: for like a bolt head etc
03:56 PM Tom_L: since the geometry is wrapped it's not quite as straightforwared as you think
03:57 PM Tom_L: maybe i need a user command to rotate A degrees inbetween Y cuts and not use 'rotary' code per se
03:57 PM JT-Shop: that might be easier
03:57 PM Tom_L: that's simple enough
03:57 PM Tom_L: i have several other user commands
03:58 PM JT-Shop: I hate it when I know something is in the machine shop but I can't find it and it's pretty big
03:58 PM Tom_L: for inserting descriptions or stop/starting the spindle for fixture changes etc
03:58 PM Tom_L: i still can't find something and now i can't remember what it was
03:58 PM Tom_L: that's even more frustrating :D
04:00 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Smartcam/LinuxCNC_A.TMP
04:00 PM Tom_L: there's the rotary post
04:00 PM Tom_L: Example: #EVAL(#S0=( Material Size: .5 x 1.5 x .3125 \))
04:00 PM Tom_L: / #EVAL(#S1=( X0 Jaw front Y0 right end Z0 1" above jaw \))
04:01 PM Tom_L: @OPSTOP #EVAL(#S0=(MOVE CLAMPS RIGHT NOW\))
04:11 PM JT-Shop: looks greek to me
04:12 PM Tom_L: when you call that in your code it calls that section of the post
04:12 PM Tom_L: that section of post has:
04:12 PM Tom_L: M05
04:12 PM Tom_L: G53 G00 Z0
04:12 PM Tom_L: M00 #S0
04:12 PM Tom_L: M03
04:13 PM Tom_L: then #S0 gets evaluated there
04:14 PM Tom_L: there are user text or numeric variables you can assign
04:16 PM Tom_L: it has ways to use that to include subroutine files etc but i haven't used those
04:38 PM JT-Shop: vmc is cleaned out again...
04:39 PM Tom_L: writing a small test file for a hex head
04:39 PM JT-Shop: cool
04:39 PM Tom_L: to test the post section
04:39 PM JT-Shop: I guess I'll have to pull the dividing head apart and wash off the grease to see what's up
04:40 PM Tom_L: yeah, i thought about doing that with mine just to 'clean' it just in case
04:40 PM Tom_L: wonder what sort of grease to use on re'assembly..
04:42 PM JT-Shop: any good HP grease should be fine
05:27 PM JT-Shop: https://carbondale.craigslist.org/tld/d/bristol-hardinge-chnc-lll-sp-chuck/7404341438.html
05:29 PM Tom_L: you need another one
05:29 PM JT-Shop: https://semo.craigslist.org/tls/d/poplar-bluff-miller-212-mig-welder/7404510121.html
05:29 PM JT-Shop: need to sell that
05:30 PM roycroft: it's funny that folks are getting dividing heads, as i'm in the market for one myself
05:30 PM Tom_L: little bigger than mine
05:30 PM roycroft: this must be dividing head season
05:30 PM Tom_L: i've got a 175
05:30 PM Tom_L: careful roycroft it's catching
05:30 PM roycroft: i'll survive if i catch the dividing head fever once
05:30 PM JT-Shop: I have a miller suitcase welder on a cart and use it all the time
05:30 PM roycroft: i should be immune to it after the first time
05:31 PM JT-Shop: I think I've welded aluminum less than 6 times with the 212
05:32 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Miller.jpg
05:39 PM JT-Shop: https://www.purplewave.com/auction/160817/item/K7075
05:39 PM JT-Shop: that's the suitcase welder I have
05:40 PM JT-Shop: works off paintball cylinders in the field or regular cylinders in the shop
05:43 PM Tom_L: now to get it to output that new section...
05:47 PM JT-Shop: hmm they dropped the low for tonight... gotta get my hose off the frost proof spigot
05:47 PM Tom_L: now to get it to update the template word
06:07 PM Tom_L: code looks believeable...
06:07 PM Tom_L: test in a bit
06:15 PM _unreal_: sup
06:16 PM Tom_L: got my rotary working last evening
06:16 PM XXCoder: yay
06:16 PM Tom_L: xx you saw?
06:16 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I now have two encoder based BLDC motors
06:16 PM XXCoder: yeserday one ye mayb not if today
06:17 PM Tom_L: just finished an indexer one but no video
06:17 PM Tom_L: goin to test
06:19 PM _unreal_: so I have a KVH sat.. that looks to be a power over coax. trying to figure out how to power it. I have not found anything on it really dont know if I can just put 12v to it? or if it requires it in AC or what?
06:19 PM _unreal_: got no idea
06:19 PM _unreal_: its interesting though. because the torrent is slipring based
06:19 PM _unreal_: so it can do 360 rotation endless
06:20 PM XXCoder: man I love that channel https://youtu.be/wFF8kycztnU
06:21 PM XXCoder: sure hes making tiny stuff, but he goes over setup and all
06:23 PM _unreal_: Interesting
06:29 PM Tom_L: ok that works except i probably don't need to turn off the spindle while it's indexing
06:54 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xIwtoPkHY0
06:55 PM Tom_L: indexing only
06:57 PM _unreal_: looks close. can you crash the spindle head into the rotary chuck?
06:57 PM Tom_L: of course i can but i didn't want to
06:58 PM _unreal_: purchased or build rotary?
06:59 PM Tom_L: got an indexer head and added the stepper
06:59 PM Tom_L: did you see the full rotary vid?
06:59 PM _unreal_: yes
07:00 PM Tom_L: got the cad cam working well too
07:00 PM Tom_L: new post
07:00 PM _unreal_: If my stock plays work as I'm hoping they do I may finally be able to escape my "hell" prison and buy a house.... I'll be going ape buck buck wild again with my cnc build stuff.
07:01 PM _unreal_: I now have two of the encoder based BLDC motors
07:02 PM _unreal_: few more sat's at work I'm trying to get my grubby paws on
07:02 PM _unreal_: I keep getting sent off to off campus jobs. I hate everything off campus related
07:02 PM _unreal_: I always get called back to solve problems.
07:02 PM _unreal_: oh well
07:03 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, so ya I have a few of these encoder based BLDC drives
07:03 PM _unreal_: nema 23. and rated for 30/oz-in but they are tiny for there power
07:03 PM Tom_L: 30 isn't much
07:04 PM Tom_L: for a nema23 size
07:04 PM _unreal_: nope but they are also BLDC
07:04 PM _unreal_: so they only have 6 steps per rotation which means they can do REALLY high RPM with power
07:05 PM _unreal_: the encoders are like 400 ppr
07:05 PM _unreal_: so with a good 3-10 to 1 reduction. they are very very fast and powerful
07:10 PM _unreal_: if steppers are compared to these bldc's the max BLDC RPM compared to a stepper with torque is just not in the same league.
07:10 PM _unreal_: the one's I have I believe can do 10k RPM
07:11 PM Tom_L: for an axis?
07:11 PM Tom_L: that would take a while to stop
07:12 PM _unreal_: they are small so they do not have high inertia but yes they do take a moment to slow down. but running at those kind of rpms is not likely
07:13 PM _unreal_: these nema 23's are what was driving 60" sat dishes on these luxury yachts
07:13 PM _unreal_: granted the dishes are very well balanced. BOY can they whip around
07:16 PM _unreal_: granted the dishes are very well balanced. BOY can they whip around
07:16 PM _unreal_: as I said if/when I escape my hell living problem. I'm going to see if I can work with ve7it and build a custom PCB design.
07:17 PM _unreal_: I sent ve7it a full set of those motors with drivers and he did a setup and got them running.
07:18 PM _unreal_: problem is the PCB does not use all of the input features for all of the motors. but rather a ticker for one. a full hall sensor for an other and the encoder for the 3rd. the sat's have 3 BLDC's if its bldc based. two are small and identical. no encoder, and the base motor to turn the entire sat is the one with the encoder
07:19 PM _unreal_: that one normally has a 10 tooth timing belt pully, and the main base pully has 400-800 on a really big pully.
07:20 PM _unreal_: often 1' diam.
07:29 PM _unreal_: got quiet
07:29 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, say something
07:35 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, anything new with the cnc
07:39 PM solarwind: https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1589561375
07:39 PM solarwind: Can anyone tell the size of that acetylene cylinder?
07:39 PM solarwind: That price is amazing and a welding gas shop opened up near my location that exchanges any size acetylene cylinder (customer owned) for reasonable prices
07:40 PM solarwind: But the cost to buy your own new 330 ft^3 cylinder is $1,000
07:40 PM solarwind: Rental is about $90/year
07:40 PM solarwind: So if I can score a > 100 ft^3 cylinder for $40, that's a steal.
07:42 PM solarwind: I've only ever seen those cylinder caps in one size. So unless I'm mistaken, it's the largest standard cylinder at 330 ft^3. I'm really hoping it is.
07:43 PM tiwake[m]: make sure it passed hydrotesting
07:43 PM tiwake[m]: a bottle will be cheap if it did not pass the test
07:45 PM solarwind: tiwake[m] around here, certification for acetylene cylinders is handled by the shop that does the exchange
07:45 PM solarwind: at least that's what the owner told me
07:45 PM tiwake[m]: generally yeah
07:45 PM solarwind: because it's a low pressure cylinder that's filled with a porous material and acetone
07:45 PM tiwake[m]: just make sure it passed the test and that its not decommissioned is all
07:46 PM solarwind: The high pressure oxygen/argon/other gas cylinders that are customer owned need to be handled by the customer themselves since they're refilled and not exchanged
07:46 PM solarwind: tiwake[m] but yeah I'll make sure to ask them that, thanks
07:56 PM t4nk_freenode: ah, _unreal_ .. alive after all
07:56 PM t4nk_freenode: well, I got my dust shoe
07:57 PM t4nk_freenode: also, yanked every wire out of my board
07:57 PM t4nk_freenode: and I've been running linuxcnc ;)
07:58 PM t4nk_freenode: but right now I'm working on my video projector... see if I can fix it up a bit
07:59 PM _unreal_: ?
07:59 PM _unreal_: photos and yanked every wire?
08:00 PM t4nk_freenode: https://files.gitter.im/587a6cd6d73408ce4f438a0c/7Tqm/output.mp4 shot that a while back
08:01 PM t4nk_freenode: haven't done any more with it, need to trim the brushes by some good deal
08:03 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, well, when I was messing around with Remora... I sorta started pulling wires, and one thing led to another, next thing I know all the wires are loose ;)
08:04 PM t4nk_freenode: but in all honesty.... I just need to build a better machine in the end
08:04 PM t4nk_freenode: it'll do fine with wood and such I guess, but I just want something more sturdy
08:05 PM _unreal_: Like I said, use the current build to produce the parts to make the next one
08:06 PM _unreal_: no reason you cant use MDF or like materials to build a new one
08:06 PM t4nk_freenode: mmmm I've thought a lot about buying some aluminu, extrusion
08:06 PM _unreal_: can work
08:07 PM _unreal_: makes it STUPID easy
08:07 PM _unreal_: almost cheating if your going for the DIY
08:07 PM t4nk_freenode: but I can't make up my mind I guess, there's c slot? and v slot
08:07 PM t4nk_freenode: v slot seems nice because I wouldn't need extra rails I think
08:08 PM t4nk_freenode: but it would also mean using them plastic wheels, and I'm guessing that might not be ideal
08:08 PM _unreal_: I've build with all of those different types
08:08 PM _unreal_: I have photos somewhere
08:08 PM t4nk_freenode: so.. I really don't know, all I know is that I need to build something more sturdy
08:09 PM _unreal_: I feel like I said that endlessly as you where building the current build hehe
08:09 PM t4nk_freenode: I've been pretty pleased with how it worked so far
08:10 PM _unreal_: though the current build is a present surprise
08:10 PM t4nk_freenode: and it felt great to machine the new parts for it
08:11 PM t4nk_freenode: but I think the bolts and aluminium experiments have softened it up a bit
08:11 PM t4nk_freenode: ;)
08:11 PM t4nk_freenode: need to check the entire machine to find where the play is
08:11 PM _unreal_: rather sure I mentioned that as well
08:11 PM _unreal_: though you need only to print new "bearings"
08:11 PM t4nk_freenode: why would you say that?
08:12 PM _unreal_: those are the most likely to grow play
08:12 PM t4nk_freenode: I don't think they are an issue, nor will they be for a decent while
08:13 PM _unreal_: I can only guess
08:13 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, but that's really not true...
08:14 PM t4nk_freenode: the tubes used for the axes just aren't as rigid
08:14 PM _unreal_: metal tubes do not GROW flex with age
08:14 PM _unreal_: unless they get warn thin
08:15 PM t4nk_freenode: the y-axis is 'fine'
08:15 PM _unreal_: but that would be an entirely new problem.
08:15 PM t4nk_freenode: but I guess there is relatively much force on the x-axis
08:15 PM _unreal_: best way to overcome play is to use finishing passes
08:15 PM _unreal_: leave a few thou of material to remove in climb cut method
08:16 PM _unreal_: even a flexy machine to produce a nice finish
08:17 PM t4nk_freenode: oh, and I also want a bigger working area
08:17 PM t4nk_freenode: so I was thinking about making a 1m² frame with aly
08:17 PM t4nk_freenode: alu
08:18 PM t4nk_freenode: perhaps buy some bigger motors too, that would be nice
08:18 PM t4nk_freenode: I'd still prefer lead screws above belts though
08:19 PM _unreal_: My machine runs on threaded rod
08:20 PM _unreal_: stainelss
08:20 PM _unreal_: or machines
08:20 PM _unreal_: my laser etcher is belt driven but thats a no load system
08:20 PM _unreal_: my 3d printer is belt driven but again no real load
08:20 PM _unreal_: HDPE and stainless is a match made in heaven
08:21 PM _unreal_: when it comes to threaded rod and nut
08:21 PM t4nk_freenode: even though I knopw nothing about the matter.. it still feels as if a belt could never be as strong as a screw
08:21 PM _unreal_: as strong sure. as rigid not by a country mile
08:26 PM macgalempsy: evening gents
08:26 PM Tom_L: hi
08:26 PM macgalempsy: a real whirlwind kind of day, non-stop!
08:27 PM macgalempsy: went and looked at a set of snapon toolboxes
08:27 PM Tom_L: used?
08:27 PM Tom_L: new is $$$
08:28 PM macgalempsy: yes. used. but the guy was an airforce mechanic and retired in 2007.
08:28 PM macgalempsy: the bottom is 16 drawers and the top is 9
08:29 PM macgalempsy: the boxes are from the early 90s
08:32 PM _unreal_: hum
08:33 PM macgalempsy: can someone please tell me if there is a breakdown of what changed in the .ini file between 2.7 and the most recent build?
08:34 PM macgalempsy: nm. I will just compare the files to the current documents.
08:36 PM tiwake[m]: Tom_L: who was it that resells mesa electronic stuff
08:37 PM _unreal_: he's not in the room right now
08:37 PM _unreal_: pcw_home
08:37 PM tiwake[m]: oh
08:38 PM tiwake[m]: _unreal_: do you know who I'm talking about though?
08:38 PM tiwake[m]: I can't ever remember who it was
08:38 PM _unreal_: pcw_home (~peter@c-73-170-69-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
08:38 PM tiwake[m]: and what the link is
08:38 PM _unreal_: he resales
08:38 PM tiwake[m]: for their website
08:38 PM _unreal_: link I dont know off the top of my head
08:39 PM _unreal_: rather sure this is it http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=common/home
08:40 PM tiwake[m]: thats the main mesa website
08:40 PM Tom_L: tiwake[m], jt
08:40 PM tiwake[m]: not... pcw_home's (apparently) website
08:41 PM tiwake[m]: oh
08:41 PM Tom_L: https://mesaus.com/
08:41 PM tiwake[m]: jt?
08:41 PM tiwake[m]: thats it
08:41 PM tiwake[m]: thanks :3
08:41 PM tiwake[m]: Tom_L: have all my love
08:41 PM * _unreal_ feels shade
08:41 PM Tom_L: mesaus and mesanet
08:42 PM Tom_L: jt and pcw
08:42 PM tiwake[m]: heh
08:43 PM tiwake[m]: I didn't know mesanet was pcw's website
08:43 PM tiwake[m]: or business
08:43 PM tiwake[m]: fancy
08:43 PM Tom_L: he make them
08:43 PM Tom_L: jt sells them
08:43 PM Tom_L: so does pcw
08:44 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ejmwQjHGskbBvob9
08:44 PM _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuUszxKaFziVnQKX9
08:44 PM _unreal_: the kind of stuff I do
08:46 PM tiwake[m]: fancy :3
08:50 PM tiwake[m]: I don't have anything terribly interesting
08:50 PM tiwake[m]: well
08:51 PM _unreal_: ?>
08:51 PM * tiwake[m] uploaded an image: (542KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/aryanne.cafe/rhwCSPZlrhPBGFLdMCRvPQdp/20201106_0018.jpg >
08:51 PM tiwake[m]: donno if you can see that
08:52 PM macgalempsy: browsing thru this INI file, I notice there is no defined TRAJ_PERIOD. Is this necessarily a problem?
08:52 PM tiwake[m]: its a throttle body adapter I make where I work
08:53 PM _unreal_: link does not work
08:53 PM Tom_L: macgalempsy, mine doesn't have that either
08:53 PM Tom_L: i've found some old settings popping up now and then that may not be used now
08:54 PM tiwake[m]: I guess the matrix/irc bridge does not work for files
08:54 PM Tom_L: base_period and servo_period in [EMCMOT]
08:55 PM Tom_L: may have replaced it
08:55 PM Tom_L: not sure
08:55 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], this is the error {"errcode":"M_UNKNOWN","error":"Unexpected Error","mr_errcode":"M_UNKNOWN"}
08:55 PM _unreal_: wen clicking on that link
08:57 PM tiwake[m]: oh well
08:58 PM _unreal_: I use google phtos very easy to post pictures
08:59 PM tiwake[m]: should I get the 7i96 for use with the pi4?
08:59 PM macgalempsy: thanks Tom. before testing the machine again, I have been going thru the notes and manuals for all the components. The hopes are to get back up and running, then bump the frequency to 5Hz and try tuning again.
09:00 PM _unreal_: what are you planing on doing tiwake[m]
09:00 PM tiwake[m]: for a small shitty stepper motor tabletop CNC machine
09:00 PM _unreal_: I own a 7i96 and loveit
09:00 PM tiwake[m]: its a boxzy I want to convert to linuxCNC
09:00 PM Tom_L: macgalempsy, i'm continually going thru mine
09:01 PM Tom_L: i've got 2 working configs for it now
09:01 PM _unreal_: boxzy?
09:01 PM macgalempsy: I am sure we talked about this in the past. Have you had luck with auto-tune?
09:01 PM macgalempsy: atpid
09:01 PM Tom_L: i've never used it
09:01 PM _unreal_: link?
09:01 PM macgalempsy: if I recall, it was oriented more towards velocity mode drives
09:02 PM tiwake[m]: _unreal_: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/a1/f2/4ea1f2de022cf18a431af71b286d9651.jpg
09:02 PM tiwake[m]: it ships with three different heads, one for router, one for laser, and one for 3D print
09:02 PM tiwake[m]: I'm only interested in router
09:03 PM _unreal_: lol thats the damndest thing i've seen but looks cool
09:03 PM tiwake[m]: it has ballscrews at least
09:03 PM tiwake[m]: had the controller apart and got a good look at it
09:04 PM tiwake[m]: its... meh
09:04 PM tiwake[m]: anyway, I think a pi+linuxCNC would be good
09:05 PM tiwake[m]: make it usable as a tabletop CNC mill anyway
09:05 PM _unreal_: as long as its XYZ it will be fine.
09:05 PM _unreal_: the controller is the bigger question
09:05 PM _unreal_: waht kind of a controller does it have?
09:05 PM _unreal_: do you have STEP/DIR inputs on the motor controllers or is it serial driven?
09:06 PM _unreal_: THOUGH thats a laser etcher
09:06 PM _unreal_: lcnc can do laser etching its not designed for it at heart
09:06 PM tiwake[m]: I don't care about laser
09:07 PM macgalempsy: Tom, do you find it common to just rerun the mesa wizard, then rebuild the supporting functions?
09:07 PM tiwake[m]: the laser it ships with is... I think 1.5 watts
09:07 PM tiwake[m]: I won't use it for anything
09:08 PM Tom_L: i don't think i've ever used that either :)
09:08 PM tiwake[m]: and the router is a separate plug and switch... heh
09:08 PM macgalempsy: hahaaaa. ok. man, you must be a genius
09:09 PM Tom_L: when i started i borrowed a basic config from somebody and just started reading
09:09 PM tiwake[m]: macgalempsy: donno how long you have been around, but after lurking here for a lot of years, there are a few who are quite wizzardry
09:09 PM _unreal_: so the "head" is swapable?
09:10 PM tiwake[m]: _unreal_: yes
09:10 PM tiwake[m]: _unreal_: https://woodcraft-production-weblinc.netdna-ssl.com/product_images/boxzy-carve-black-anodized/5c3f9592776f6f3b1d00119f/super_zoom.jpg?c=1547670931
09:10 PM _unreal_: 1.5watt is not bad... toung n cheek
09:10 PM _unreal_: you can do wood etching easy with that level of power
09:10 PM _unreal_: though now super fast
09:11 PM _unreal_: ok so its BUILT ballZY
09:11 PM Tom_L: tiwake[m], trial and error
09:12 PM Tom_L: lots of them
09:12 PM _unreal_: router for a spindle though :S eeeeeeeesh loud
09:12 PM tiwake[m]: Tom_L: heh, I know how that goes
09:12 PM _unreal_: bigger issue is heat
09:12 PM _unreal_: regardless what is the motor controller setup?
09:12 PM _unreal_: or have you taken it apart to look yet?
09:12 PM tiwake[m]: _unreal_: later on I might change the router head to something else
09:13 PM tiwake[m]: and yeah, I've had it apart enough to look
09:13 PM _unreal_: brush spindle is the best
09:13 PM tiwake[m]: its adafruit thing
09:13 PM _unreal_: soooooo what kind of motor controller does it have
09:13 PM _unreal_: o,O
09:13 PM tiwake[m]: lemme find
09:13 PM _unreal_: huh?
09:13 PM _unreal_: adafruit would imply GRBL based I'm guessing
09:14 PM Tom_L: undoubtedly
09:14 PM _unreal_: I'd love to see a photo of the controller setup
09:14 PM tiwake[m]: wait
09:14 PM tiwake[m]: its this thing https://reprap.org/wiki/Ultimaker%27s_v1.5.7_PCB
09:15 PM _unreal_: you are going to need a custom board then to use a mesa
09:15 PM _unreal_: the motor controller boards are modular so thats good
09:15 PM _unreal_: but the main board its self is GRBL
09:15 PM _unreal_: period
09:15 PM tiwake[m]: I was planning on replacing all of it
09:16 PM tiwake[m]: get my own stepper drivers, the pi and mesa for control
09:16 PM _unreal_: dont bother
09:16 PM _unreal_: dude
09:16 PM _unreal_: all you need to do is get an arduino motor controller HAT
09:17 PM _unreal_: and just plug into the step/dir inputs
09:17 PM _unreal_: no arduino needed
09:17 PM _unreal_: just plug the boards into it and your good
09:17 PM tiwake[m]: hat?
09:17 PM Tom_L: it's a very technical term
09:17 PM _unreal_: palm to face one sec
09:17 PM Tom_L: daughter board.
09:18 PM _unreal_: I know you have seen one of these https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=bqeRjvTA&id=559640487C4D27F0896838A81197FB48A310C262&thid=OIP.bqeRjvTA-K1iATdn6Vmm_wHaHa&mediaurl=https://static.cytron.io/image/cache/catalog/products/SHIELD-CNC/SHIELD-CNC-500x500.jpg&cdnurl=https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6ea7918ef4c0f8ad62013767e959a6ff?rik=YsIQo0j7lxGoOA&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&exph=500&expw=500&q=arduino+cnc+hat&simid=6080363555977395
09:18 PM _unreal_: 54&form=IRPRST&ck=81DDAAAFA4897423CBB88BEB148D0E52&selectedindex=72&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0&vt=0&sim=11&adlt=off&shtp=GetUrl&shid=f60addcf-373e-47f9-9106-fad66c688b4f&shtk=Q05DIFNoaWVsZCBWMyBmb3IgQXJkdWlubw%3D%3D&shdk=Rm91bmQgb24gQmluZyBmcm9tIHRoLmN5dHJvbi5pbw%3D%3D&shhk=UTAzNN7GPH%2FmQ26IALmwr14qwyrk%2BMoDS7vnCO1Bvp0%3D&shth=OIP.bqeRjvTA-K1iATdn6Vmm_wHaHa
09:18 PM _unreal_: gaaaa
09:19 PM _unreal_: https://static.cytron.io/image/cache/catalog/products/SHIELD-CNC/SHIELD-CNC-500x500.jpg
09:19 PM Tom_L: why the hell do they need to do that anyway?
09:19 PM _unreal_: one button copy link my ass
09:20 PM macgalempsy: i feel like solving the PID tuning issue will be based in running HAL from terminal.
09:20 PM _unreal_: I'm using my win pc which is my CAD pc :(
09:20 PM _unreal_: everything else is lin
09:20 PM _unreal_: linux
09:20 PM tiwake[m]: hmm
09:20 PM _unreal_: I have to use professional CAD software. and there is NO such thing on linux sadly.
09:21 PM Tom_L: oddly enough catia came from unix
09:21 PM _unreal_: no argument
09:22 PM Tom_L: i had a demo dvd of the first windows port
09:22 PM _unreal_: I do produce a lot of CAD drawings for the luxury yacht company I work for and I HAVE to use pro software. even though anything I do is for concept only
09:22 PM Tom_L: may still.. who knows
09:23 PM _unreal_: must be approved and re-generated by a certified architect. its funny how many of my designed have had like .001 % changed then CERT. as good....
09:23 PM _unreal_: f my lie
09:23 PM _unreal_: life
09:24 PM tiwake[m]: your life is a lie
09:24 PM _unreal_: it is
09:24 PM Tom_L: takes quite a series of approvals for aircraft cad mods too
09:25 PM tiwake[m]: in the back of that ultimaker board is a sunfounder mega 2560 R3 board plugged in
09:25 PM _unreal_: infact in my links before I show one of the designs I did. to modify a catwalk flooring in an engine room of a giant luxury yacht.
09:25 PM tiwake[m]: that is where the computer USB connects to
09:25 PM _unreal_: which was water jetted
09:25 PM _unreal_: ya so its GRBL
09:25 PM tiwake[m]: what is GRBL?
09:26 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], thats a dbl edge sword.....
09:26 PM _unreal_: GRBL is just a type of cnc control
09:26 PM _unreal_: its CNC control via serial signal
09:26 PM XXCoder: machine controller. very simple one
09:26 PM _unreal_: and very capable do not under estimate it
09:26 PM tiwake[m]: super shit IMO
09:27 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], my laser etcher is based on GRBL
09:27 PM XXCoder: grbl? thought you dont know what it was
09:27 PM _unreal_: its the most supported method of laser etching
09:27 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], GOOO FIGURE!
09:27 PM tiwake[m]: heh
09:27 PM _unreal_: >:|
09:28 PM tiwake[m]: I've only used fanuc and haas mills and lathes
09:28 PM Tom_L: okuma
09:28 PM tiwake[m]: uh, and manual ones where the only electronics was the power switch
09:29 PM _unreal_: hay at least it has a 1 and 0
09:29 PM _unreal_: LOL
09:29 PM _unreal_: eheehehehhee
09:29 PM tiwake[m]: ezz
09:29 PM XXCoder: no steppers, servos, spindle? ;)
09:29 PM XXCoder: thats definitely manual lol
09:29 PM _unreal_: god we've been at this a few years ;)
09:32 PM tiwake[m]: so I can get the 7i96 to plug into the Ultimaker board? or run wires to rather
09:32 PM tiwake[m]: hmm
09:35 PM _unreal_: IF
09:35 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], the motor controllers have 3 inputs. step/dir/en
09:35 PM _unreal_: if those inputs are on that board. then you can just not use the arduino part if its unplug able
09:36 PM _unreal_: I dont know I have never used one. but more or less all you need to do is have access to the inputs of the motor controllers
09:37 PM tiwake[m]: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0080/6617/0943/products/SU-1.5.73DPrinterKit_1500x1500.jpg?v=1571712561
09:38 PM tiwake[m]: I think it does, would have to look closer
09:38 PM _unreal_: I'm sure it does but I dont know anything about that controller its self. nor do I add the arduino chip
09:38 PM _unreal_: I'm assuming its on the bottom. I dont know if it can be removed or if it is soldered onto the board.
09:39 PM _unreal_: regardless you need to hijack the inputs to the motor controlelrs them selfs. there is nohting special about them. its nothing but step/dir period
09:39 PM tiwake[m]: yeah, I can unplug the arduino from the back side of it
09:40 PM _unreal_: ok well the arduino is going to be directlly wired to the inputs of the motor controllers
09:40 PM _unreal_: I dont know anything about the pinouts of that board so you would have to look it up. but if there is any headers on it. that are INPUT then you are inluck
09:40 PM _unreal_: just tie into them and you have a working system. the only thing you would have to do then is to make sure that the 7i96 is setup for 5v mode I/O
09:41 PM _unreal_: sigh. I think I'm wearing out an other keyboard again
09:41 PM tiwake[m]: pckeyboard?
09:41 PM tiwake[m]: https://www.pckeyboard.com/
09:42 PM tiwake[m]: same equipment used to make the ooooold IBM model M keyboards that you could defend your house with
09:43 PM XXCoder: those days you have to watch out for compyter nerds
09:43 PM XXCoder: very strong arms by carrying model m
09:43 PM tiwake[m]: kek
09:44 PM XXCoder: then theres ibm xt
09:44 PM XXCoder: its heavier than some cars out there
09:44 PM tiwake[m]: _unreal_: seriously though, I knew a guy who was wearing out keyboards all the time, got him that keyboard and it worked until he retired
09:45 PM _unreal_: got I use to have one of the old IBM keyboard GOD i LOVED THAT THING
09:45 PM _unreal_: clicky fast as well
09:46 PM _unreal_: didnt have keys in the way or slow to react catching your fingers as your typing
09:47 PM _unreal_: I'm on my 4th K400R in 3 years.
09:47 PM _unreal_: I pick them up from goodwill often
09:47 PM tiwake[m]: sounds like you want a pckeyboard.com product then
09:47 PM _unreal_: oheh
09:47 PM _unreal_: heh
09:48 PM _unreal_: ya my best typing speed was on an IBM keyboard. something like 134 words a min
09:49 PM _unreal_: it was weird, to be the sports jock in school in the 90's who would type 100 miles an hour
09:49 PM _unreal_: I was look at as the, : COOL NERD....WAIT.....WHAT????
09:49 PM _unreal_: HEHHEH
09:50 PM tiwake[m]: heh
09:51 PM _unreal_: but ya regardless. as far as that board goes. its upto you. you cna leave it alone and just use it as a GRBL system. or rebuild it to be linux
09:51 PM _unreal_: personally I think I would just leave it as is
09:51 PM _unreal_: check out BCNC
09:51 PM _unreal_: BCNC and LASERGRBL
09:52 PM t4nk_freenode: what's up with your internet connection, _unreal_
09:52 PM _unreal_: ?
09:52 PM _unreal_: why
09:52 PM t4nk_freenode: you aren't online 99,9% of the time
09:52 PM _unreal_: oh
09:53 PM _unreal_: thats because I'm not
09:53 PM _unreal_: not my choice
09:53 PM _unreal_: long story short. I hate my life want to leave this "house" I cant because I'm a $$ prisoner
09:53 PM t4nk_freenode: you're not on some kind of dialup are youi
09:53 PM _unreal_: NO
09:53 PM _unreal_: I'm using my phone for internet
09:54 PM _unreal_: I just dont link my phone much because I only have 4GB of tethering
09:54 PM t4nk_freenode: heh
09:54 PM t4nk_freenode: I got unlimited
09:54 PM t4nk_freenode: but they start complaining
09:54 PM t4nk_freenode: if you go over 5G a day too often
09:54 PM _unreal_: if ther was a good irc app for phone I would use my phone but there isnt
09:55 PM _unreal_: and I'm not big on using web page based IRC. because every time you click off to look at something opther then the active window. it shuts down the sooftware and suspends it
09:55 PM t4nk_freenode: is that 4G a month?
09:55 PM _unreal_: not a big fan of that
09:55 PM _unreal_: for gigs a month tethering. unlimted if I'm only using data via my phone
09:56 PM _unreal_: I have my phone plugged into an IKLING hub
09:56 PM _unreal_: this PC is connected via ethernet
09:56 PM _unreal_: to my phone
09:57 PM _unreal_: I hve two monitors in front of me. one is my phone setup like a PC the other is my CAD pc..... and ten I have my laptop on linux below it
09:58 PM t4nk_freenode: now all you need is M$ Flight Sim
09:58 PM t4nk_freenode: oh hang on,... need to put the phone in airplane mode :|
09:59 PM t4nk_freenode: *rimshot*
09:59 PM _unreal_: ouch
09:59 PM _unreal_: cold!!! but accurate
10:00 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm off fiddling with my projector for abit
10:01 PM t4nk_freenode: I wonder how long it will take me to completely destroy it
10:02 PM tiwake[m]: _unreal_: I can't seem to find anything on schematics for this ultimaker board or pinouts or whatever
10:02 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, you would have loved my original projector....
10:03 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], there has to be.... there are a lot of headers on it
10:03 PM tiwake[m]: yeah
10:03 PM tiwake[m]: I would assume so
10:03 PM tiwake[m]: nobody is making it anymore though either
10:08 PM _unreal_: Im' sure its out there
10:08 PM _unreal_: regardless
10:09 PM _unreal_: all you have to do is look up the motor controllers. and find out what there pinout is. then just prob the ARDUINO till you find the traces that match the pins to the arduino mega
10:09 PM _unreal_: done
10:09 PM _unreal_: as I said its nothing more then step/dir input on those motor controllers. nothing special. now if there are other features I dont know the full list of what it can do... BUT
10:09 PM _unreal_: oit does not matter in the end
10:14 PM _unreal_: again tiwake[m] you may want to think about using the controller as A GRLB
10:14 PM _unreal_: GRBL
10:16 PM tiwake[m]: hmm
10:16 PM tiwake[m]: I've had it on and tried to do something
10:16 PM tiwake[m]: it feels way too yucky for a small mill router
10:16 PM _unreal_: as I said BCNC and LASERgrbl are the two sofwares you would want to use
10:16 PM _unreal_: ?
10:17 PM _unreal_: tiwake[m], let me ask you a question. you like the work I've done from the photos you have looked at y?
10:17 PM _unreal_: ya
10:17 PM _unreal_: ?
10:17 PM _unreal_: your machine has a larger work area then mine does....
11:23 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], the thru hole tube is 18mm