Oct 29 2021
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01:09 AM Deejay: moin
01:59 AM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: butt welds?
02:15 AM Loetmichel: solarwind: Oxy/ace is IMHO easier than tig. On steel. Try it on copper. MUCH more fun. :)
02:17 AM Loetmichel: thats the way i learned it. And no, i meant copper WELDING, not brazing. Took me about a dozen copper lanterns until the first one was without holes you could see the candle flame through on the weld :)
02:18 AM Loetmichel: it felt like copper has no "doughy" phase. Went from solid directly to waterthin in an instant. :)
02:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Loetmichel: https://imgur.com/gallery/1axOmUH translation please :)
02:59 AM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight[m]: "We search (for) YOU" a.k.a its a job ad
03:00 AM XXCoder: h -> k
03:00 AM Loetmichel: ah, didnt even see that
03:01 AM Loetmichel: german speaker, too. so the connecktion to the male sausage wasnt made at all
03:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the USA is very repressed
03:11 AM XXCoder: generally yes
03:12 AM XXCoder: usa isnt some tiny country however. countr varies by quite a bit
03:12 AM XXCoder: more generally yes still though
03:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Jesusland
03:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: still very superstitious
04:22 AM Tom_L: no that's Israel
05:05 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:24 AM Tom_L: morning
07:24 AM Tom_L: wind advisory again today
07:25 AM Tom_L: 45F
07:25 AM JT-Cave: North northwest wind around 13 mph, with gusts as high as 23 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
07:30 AM XXCoder: here sunny and 15 mph tomorrow
07:30 AM XXCoder: heavy rain today
07:40 AM Tom_L: picked up sticks in the yard when i got home yesterday, an hour later you wouldn't have known it
07:41 AM XXCoder: yeah them sticks breed heh
07:41 AM Tom_L: fertilize wind
07:41 AM Tom_L: er
07:42 AM XXCoder: lol
07:43 AM Tom_L: sycamores are known for that anyway
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08:42 AM aaroncnc: JT-Cave, have you thought about off site backups? even for home pcs you can use some. there are times in the past me and a family member just had a small pc of eachothers in our homes as the others off site backup.
08:43 AM aaroncnc: once a week it would wake and sync up files then go back to sleep
08:46 AM roycroft: hi folks
08:47 AM roycroft: jt-cave - i took a couple pics of my mill drive train after i got it all back together last night
08:47 AM roycroft: roycroft.us/Mill-Motor-Mount
08:53 AM JT-Cave: aaroncnc, I've not got to that yet but I do have a NAS to back up to
08:53 AM JT-Cave: roycroft, looking good I'd bet you like the new motor much better
08:58 AM roycroft: i'm sure i'll like the new motor better
09:01 AM roycroft: and the vfd i bought is from huanyang's new vector control line, which is supposed to provide even more torque at low rpm than the older ones
09:01 AM roycroft: i'm hoping i can run the motor at 200rpm or perhaps even 150rpm with good torque
09:35 AM aaroncnc: JT-Cave, with my home and shop pcs most just backup to a google dive. i have just accepted the fact that they know everything and it to much effort to keep them at bay.
09:37 AM JT-Shop: I would never back to google anything ever
09:39 AM aaroncnc: JT-Shop, experience or just dont like how they treat user data?
09:44 AM * roycroft avoids all things google like the plague
09:52 AM aaroncnc: roycroft, its been hard more and more companys i have worked for are using google for business. Most new cars are dropping QNX and are going android. my phone is android. Gmail has basically become the standard email now.
09:53 AM roycroft: i am doing volunteer work for a non-profit and am about to become a board officer there
09:53 AM roycroft: they use facebook/google for a lot of their stuff
09:54 AM roycroft: i'll have to deal with that, but i'll be able to do it in a somewhat detatched way - i'll use a role account of theirs, and not a personal one
09:54 AM roycroft: and i'll probably get a small laptop that will be dedicated to work for the non-profit
09:55 AM roycroft: and i take issue with the claim that gmail has become the standard email
09:55 AM roycroft: it's ubiquitous, sure, but it's really not dominant
09:58 AM aaroncnc: roycroft, it might jsut be from where i am but anytime someone gives me a personal email is 99% gmail. very few people have a persnoal domain email. and even with personal domains i know people who run google workspace so even then you cant be sure if that person is using google.
10:00 AM aaroncnc: then you have things like chrome counting for around 65% of global browser usage even including mobile.
10:08 AM roycroft: i'd have to crunch numbers on our mail logs, but i know that well under half the sender and recipient email addresses that go through our mail servers are at gmail.com
10:09 AM roycroft: i'm not even sure i would be willing to argue that gmail.com handles a plurality of emails
10:19 AM roycroft: i just checked the current mail log on one of our mail servers
10:19 AM aaroncnc: in the usa they hold over 50%, worldwide with china they account for 27.8 and the next runner up is apple at 27.6
10:19 AM roycroft: out of a combined incoming and outgoing mail volume of 167336 messages during the period of the log, 1276 had gmail.com addresses
10:20 AM roycroft: so about 1.5%, very roughly
10:21 AM aaroncnc: I would expect that if that server is handling professional businesses. But even then with more company flocking to google workspace they can still have a custom domain ie not gmail.com and be using google.
10:22 AM roycroft: our usage patterns are almost certainly anomalous
10:22 AM roycroft: most of our customers are non-profits
10:22 AM roycroft: and we host their emails
10:22 AM roycroft: and i'm actually grepping on connections to gmail servers, not gmail sender/recipient addresses
10:22 AM roycroft: i'm looking at the raw smtp log
10:23 AM aaroncnc: right thats why i said when people give me personal emails. not work emails. i have yet to be at a company that would dare have people use @gmail for the company offical sendings.
10:23 AM roycroft: at any rate, i'm still able to avoid google like the plague personally
10:24 AM roycroft: in my official capacity for the non-profit i'll do what i have to do, but i'll do a good job of keeping that activity isolated from any personal activity
10:27 AM aaroncnc: roycroft, carefull about your future cars, google/android has made a big push into the automotive infotainment with built in cell modems that you cant turn off.
10:27 AM roycroft: i bet i can turn them off if i want to :)
10:28 AM roycroft: i don't want that crap in my car anyway
10:30 AM aaroncnc: ehh, you could but then the GPS stops. not always but some do.
10:31 AM aaroncnc: they dont have to stop the gps but it happens.
10:42 AM roycroft: who cares?
10:42 AM roycroft: i know where i'm going :)
10:49 AM FinboySlick: roycroft mobile: https://silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Dodge-Power-Wagon-1536x1101.jpg
10:50 AM aaroncnc: i have this bad habit of auto-piloting to places. But not the right places. Has led to some great moments in my life when i just show up to random places i am familiar with.
10:50 AM FinboySlick: Actually, I meant that as a single word, but you get the point.
10:52 AM roycroft: years ago i was heading to a festival out in the middle of nowhere with my gf
10:52 AM roycroft: i had never been to that venue before, and was using my tomtom gps device to find it
10:53 AM roycroft: i followed its directions exactly, until we ended up near the top of a mountain, where the road dead-ended
10:53 AM roycroft: it was not washed out or closed off - it just ended
10:53 AM roycroft: there were big trees ahead of us where the road was supposed to be
10:53 AM roycroft: my gf got all freaked ouat
10:53 AM roycroft: out
10:54 AM roycroft: but i reached into my backpack, pulled out my ipad, and used the mapping app there to calculate a route to the venue
10:54 AM CloudEvil: Consistent global maps are surprisingly hard.
10:54 AM roycroft: the ipad mapping app showed a totally different set of roads in the area
10:54 AM roycroft: so i went down the mountain, followed the ipad's directions, and got to the venue just fine
10:55 AM roycroft: the tomtom device was not very old, but that was irrelevant
10:55 AM roycroft: the trees that were where it said a road existed were at least 100 years old
10:57 AM roycroft: since then, when planning a trip to parts hitherto unfamiliar to me, and off the beaten path, i always use at least a couple different mapping apps to get a sense of what the actual route might be
10:58 AM roycroft: the tomtom did not lead us far astray, btw
10:59 AM roycroft: i suspect that if the trees were not there and the road did go through, it would have gotten us to our destination just fine
10:59 AM roycroft: my guess is that the logging road we went up had a counterpart on the other side of the crest, and that tomtom mistakenly joined the two roads
11:00 AM aaroncnc: roycroft, yea its one thing i hate about in car gps, they get maybe 1 map update ever and some company's charge over hundreds of dollars.
11:00 AM roycroft: and yes, this venue was remote enough that the approach did involve logging roads, even using the ipad's directions
11:01 AM roycroft: since the trees blocking our path were old growth, it would make sense that there were logging roads on both sides that did not meet
11:01 AM roycroft: the old growth forest was probably protected, and loggers went up to it as far as they could
11:04 AM roycroft: this was a long time ago - over 10 years ago - and that same tomtom device still works, but there have been no map updates for it for several years now
11:05 AM roycroft: there are a couple roads that i use that have had significant realignments lately, and it's kind of fun to drive on them with the gps on, and watch my car wander "off the road" and drive through the woods along those realignment zones
11:05 AM roycroft: the roads i'm talking about are between here and the coast, going through the coast range
11:06 AM roycroft: most of those roads follow rivers, and wind as the river does
11:06 AM roycroft: the state are slownly straightening parts of them out
11:06 AM roycroft: slowly
11:09 AM aaroncnc: Im just happy OsmAnd is decent. not always of fan of google maps/wayze.
11:11 AM JT-Cave: Honda map updates are free for 5 or 10 years I forget
11:15 AM JT-Cave: how much area does a map file cover in osmand?
11:17 AM roycroft: i use openstreetmaps.org a lot these days
11:18 AM roycroft: but there's this other thing i do sometimes
11:18 AM roycroft: something that may seem rather quaint to younger people
11:18 AM roycroft: if i'm going somewhere unfamiliar, i will sometimes ask for directions
11:19 AM JT-Cave: open street map is not correct for where I live but none are
11:20 AM JT-Cave: lunch minute is up back to work for me
11:20 AM roycroft: but you can corredt it if you want!
11:20 AM roycroft: that's one of the great things about openstreetmaps.org
11:26 AM * JT-Shop takes a quick look before starting the vmc up
11:27 AM JT-Shop: ok you have to sign up to edit which makes sense... but work first maybe over my beer I'll fix it tonight
12:19 PM roycroft: can someone confirm or further enlighten me on the technology in my soon-to-arrive vfd?
12:20 PM roycroft: it is a "sensorless vector drive"
12:21 PM roycroft: my understanding is that it emulates the motor in software and uses the current the real motor is using to determine the motor speed, and at lower frequencies especially, makes ajustments to maintain torque under load
12:22 PM roycroft: i.e. it senses that the motor is slowing down and feeds it accordingly
12:22 PM roycroft: is that a fairly accurate, although simplistic, understanding of what it's doing?
12:24 PM Tom_L: wonder if it's like mine with hall feedback from the motor
12:24 PM Tom_L: or possibly reads it from the motor windings direct?
12:26 PM roycroft: it supposedly compares the magnetiziing current and the torque current
12:26 PM roycroft: and extrapolates motor slip
12:26 PM roycroft: magnetizing current lags voltage by 90 degrees, while torque current follows voltage
12:27 PM roycroft: but with this vfd no encoder is required - it's an open loop vector drive
12:28 PM roycroft: i may want an encoder at some point, but i would want it on the spindle shaft, not the motor shaft
12:30 PM Tom_L: my encoder is on the spindle but goes back to linuxcnc not the vfd
12:31 PM roycroft: initially, since this is currently a manual mill, if i install an encoder it would connect to a tachometer mounted on the front of the machine
12:31 PM roycroft: eventually it will connect to linuxnc as well or instead of the tach
12:33 PM Tom_L: i need to figure out a home switch for the rotary
12:33 PM roycroft: and btw, i pressed down on the mill motor this morning and could not see the plate flex
12:33 PM roycroft: i'm sure that if i checked with an indicator i'd see it move a little
12:34 PM satiowadahc[m]: Hall effect?
12:34 PM roycroft: i thought it was sagging a wee bit but that may have been an optical illusion
12:34 PM roycroft: when i add an encoder it will probably be a hall effect sensor
12:36 PM roycroft: my mill has a two speed transmission, and there is a drive gear attached to the transmission that drives the spindle
12:36 PM roycroft: it would be really easy to install a tiny magnet in that drive gear for a hall sensor
12:36 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Mill-Motor-Mount/Mill-Motor-Mount-3.jpeg
12:36 PM roycroft: the middle gear in that picture
12:37 PM roycroft: and plenty of room for the sensor itself
12:37 PM roycroft: the only difficult part is that i'd need to mill a recess for the magnet
12:38 PM roycroft: and i need my mill to do that
12:38 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/old_pulley2.jpg
12:38 PM Tom_L: thought about using that sensor of the old sherline encoder (epson printer)
12:38 PM roycroft: but actually, i need to order some parts for my lathe from grizzly, and if i can get that gear fairly inexpensively, i could just buy an extra and machine that
12:38 PM Tom_L: and just use a tab
12:38 PM * roycroft checks price and availability
12:39 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/motors/focusring11.jpg
12:39 PM Tom_L: something like they did on that focus ring
12:40 PM Tom_L: i've got those sensors i can use as well
12:44 PM roycroft: that gear is $9.75, and in stock
12:44 PM roycroft: that's quite doable
12:57 PM roycroft: is this kind of sensor/tach any good: https://www.ebay.com/itm/392270345878
12:57 PM roycroft: i can take 24v off the vfd to feed it
12:58 PM Tom_L: it would probably work
12:58 PM Tom_L: i display mine on the Axis screen
12:59 PM roycroft: i don't have an axis screen at the moment, since the machine is still manual
12:59 PM Tom_L: oh that's right..
12:59 PM roycroft: i never had a tachometer with the old motor setup, but i'm thinking that since i'm redoing the drive train anyway i might want to add that
12:59 PM roycroft: and i have a good place to mount it
12:59 PM Tom_L: are you leaving it manual?
01:00 PM roycroft: for a while
01:00 PM Tom_L: if not then i'd wait
01:00 PM roycroft: and i don't know when i'll convert it
01:00 PM roycroft: it may be next spring
01:00 PM roycroft: it may be five more years from how
01:00 PM roycroft: now
01:00 PM Tom_L: you make it too comfortable to use you may never...
01:01 PM roycroft: with the old motor i took a hand-held tach and calibrated the motor speed control pot
01:01 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i'd mind having the speed display on the machine as well as on the linuxcnc interface
01:02 PM roycroft: for <$20 i think it's worthwhile, even as an interim thing
01:02 PM roycroft: i think, though, that before i order one i should check to see if i already have one
01:02 PM roycroft: there's a good chance i bought one years ago and never installed it
01:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anyone have a recommendation for a wireless AC outlet/switch with a wireless remote?
01:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'd like one with 2 fobs for access by more than one person or location
01:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/light-switches-dimmers-outlets/wireless-controls/indoor-remote-outlets-3-pack/ylt-12/p-1444425969250-c-12683.htm comes with 2 outlets but only one FOB/control
01:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sorry 3 outlets
01:17 PM JT-Shop: but it has 6 buttons!
01:17 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], https://www.amazon.com/Syantek-Electrical-Household-Appliances-Expandable/dp/B07JW5SDZD/ref=sr_1_13?crid=3J7U9KF4ZSZC8&dchild=1&keywords=rf+control+outlet&qid=1635530564&qsid=133-3494636-2141836&sprefix=rf+control+outlet%2Caps%2C278&sr=8-13&sres=B07D2BY7VY%2CB07P7K2FHK%2CB08R9QNMST%2CB01HWB15FS%2CB07RGN9DY9%2CB07GXCYWRQ%2CB08R9PYNFG%2CB07HRD1GXP%2CB07JW5SDZD%2CB072F9DGRL%2CB07CYKNDC2%2CB07DT9QP8P%2CB07CRKWYD7%2CB091DR
01:17 PM aaroncnc: VVKJ%2CB078YL37MM%2CB08R9QH37N%2CB08C4RPFX8%2CB092VRGRYF%2CB095WJG477%2CB07Y9RRWNB&srpt=ELECTRONIC_SWITCH
01:18 PM aaroncnc: hmm terrible link....
01:18 PM JT-Shop: aaroncnc, delete everything after the /
01:18 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/Syantek-Electrical-Household-Appliances-Expandable/dp/B07JW5SDZD
01:19 PM aaroncnc: JT-Shop, thanks.
01:20 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], why not wifi based? I have a few in my shop and i flashed them to use opensource firmware
01:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why not, just want off the shelf
01:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and with a FOB/dongle/small hardware switch/buttons
01:22 PM JT-Shop: I need to rig up a remote switch for my dust collector or a potential relay
01:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: want wireless since the loads are 20 ft off the ground
01:23 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], i like the ones i got they are a sonoff clone flashed with tasmota, they have pyshical button on the outlets to turn them on.
01:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and i don't want to run the required conduit and wire
01:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hard wiring would require permits and 200 ft of pipe and wire
01:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/sonoff
01:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://tasmota.github.io/docs/
01:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the problem with wifi is the idiots that think that they should own all the channels in their area
01:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so if you have these neighbors that place the highest output wifi routers they can find at all four corners of their space it overlaps half the building
01:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm tempted to just run a jammer since we are 100% wired
01:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: from 9 - 5
01:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: going out of band also works but is frowned upon by the FCC
01:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the problem with neighbors is that they are typically people or dogs
02:08 PM aaroncnc: CaptHindsight[m], if you happen to have power lines running into the building or place where the outlet is you could look into power over ethernet.
02:10 PM aaroncnc: there are ones that even act as wifi access points. when i put 220v to my garage i wanted to put in another conduit so i could pull ethernet but for reasons had to skip it
02:10 PM aaroncnc: Also not power over thernet. meant ethernet powerline
02:12 PM aaroncnc: any who the ethernet powerline allowed me to setup my second wifi router node for my mesh network out in my garage. so now my entire property is covered with wifi and i can seamlessly move between without having to switch networks or wait for the signal to get weak for it to swap over.
02:29 PM satiowadahc[m]: Do you have an issue with motors with powerlines? I found laundry day would crash the network when I used them
02:37 PM Tom_L: well that's easy.. stop doing laundry!
02:39 PM roycroft: yeah, do like the rich folks do - just wear things once, then throw them away
02:39 PM satiowadahc[m]: ... this is an idea...!
02:40 PM satiowadahc[m]: I'll check with my better half's approval... wish me luck
02:42 PM JT-Shop: hmm, if all the 120v devices are on the same leg of the 240v one potential relay will work to turn on the dusk collector when any one of the wood working machines start and I think I know where a 120v potential relay is
02:43 PM JT-Shop: I have 7 devices to one outlet box, 3 240v and 4 120v
02:46 PM aaroncnc: satiowadahc[m], no. so i still had the original 120v line into my garage. so i still have it active but instead of going into the breaker it goes into a extension cord that is then fed into my large UPS. so that way my router in my shop plus the receving ethernet powerline device stay on during poweroutages. this also helped isolate any problems with large current draw devices.
02:47 PM aaroncnc: I should have just run ethernet but this solution has been bullet proof for me.
02:48 PM JT-Shop: over thinking things again, I only need a 120v relay and timer if I want a delayed start
02:49 PM roycroft: this aliexpress vendor is being a jackass, disputing my return
02:50 PM roycroft: claiming that it's impossible for their "high quality" product to be defective and demanding that i get an electrician to help me wire it properly
02:51 PM JT-Shop: lol
02:52 PM JT-Shop: that the stack light?
02:52 PM roycroft: yes
02:53 PM roycroft: my suspician is that they shipped 120vac or 240vac modules instead of 24vdc modules
02:53 PM roycroft: they're not marked
02:54 PM roycroft: the base unit is marked, but all it is is a pcb with a power connector, and a sticker on the side that is marked with the alleged voltage
02:54 PM roycroft: the base unit came in a separate box than the light units
02:54 PM JT-Shop: it's not a complicated device...
02:54 PM roycroft: which makes my suspician much more plausible
02:55 PM roycroft: no, except the pcbs in each of the light modules are all smeared with silicon gel, and it's hard to see what's going on
02:55 PM roycroft: i've confirmed power to each of the light units
02:55 PM roycroft: but i can't tell what kind of power they're expecting, since pcbs are mostly obfuscated
02:55 PM JT-Shop: tell the vendor that they shipped the wrong voltage and your glad to see when they explode
02:56 PM JT-Shop: I'm an electrician and can confirm you have them wired properly
02:56 PM roycroft: i already told them twice that i think they sent the wrong voltage
02:57 PM roycroft: wait - don't do that yet
02:58 PM roycroft: roycroft.us/Light-Stack.jpeg
02:58 PM roycroft: i had to submit a picture to initiate the return
02:58 PM roycroft: according to the diagram (the box), grey is common, and all the other wires are for the individual units
02:59 PM roycroft: i bought that power supply from you
02:59 PM roycroft: so you can confirm it now :)
03:00 PM JT-Shop: aye
03:01 PM roycroft: i let the vendor know that i won't be buying from them again, not because it was defective or the wrong item was shipped, because that sometimes happens
03:01 PM roycroft: but because of their arrogant attitude that their product cannot possibly be defective, and that the fault must lie with me
03:02 PM roycroft: i tried all the modules, btw, not just the white one
03:02 PM JT-Shop: nice fluke
03:03 PM roycroft: thanks
03:03 PM roycroft: i like it :)
03:03 PM roycroft: i've had it for a long, long time
03:03 PM roycroft: it can even do some data recording
03:04 PM JT-Shop: mine is an older fluke 75
03:04 PM roycroft: i also have a really old fluke
03:04 PM roycroft: the kind that has the pushbuttons on the side
03:04 PM roycroft: i forget what model - one sec
03:04 PM JT-Shop: too bad you need so many colors on the stack light I have a few...
03:05 PM JT-Shop: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/DrUAAOSwkMdavWuS/s-l300.jpg
03:05 PM JT-Shop: that's the one I have
03:05 PM roycroft: 8024a
03:05 PM roycroft: i could live with one less color
03:06 PM roycroft: but i'd like five colors and an audible indicator
03:06 PM roycroft: four would work, though
03:06 PM roycroft: and the buzzer does not need to be integral to the stack
03:06 PM roycroft: so if you have any that are 4 color, 24v, i might be interested
03:07 PM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/194473556293
03:07 PM roycroft: that's my other fluke
03:08 PM roycroft: the peak hold button has gone missing - i don't know where
03:08 PM roycroft: but otherwise it's in excellent condition
03:08 PM roycroft: i should try to find a parts one that has the button for cheap
03:09 PM roycroft: or find that button
03:11 PM JT-Shop: all of my stack lights are red/green some with buzzer but I also have a banner 75014
03:12 PM roycroft: i do want more than that
03:12 PM roycroft: i don't *need* anything
03:12 PM roycroft: but if i'm going to get one, i want it to do what i want
03:13 PM JT-Shop: I completely understand that
03:14 PM JT-Shop: hmm the banner is a K50LGRY2NQP
03:14 PM roycroft: mains to the machine, power on (+5v and +24v), motion control (48v) on, spindle on, and e-stop
03:15 PM roycroft: i could put a power on led on the keyswitch panel, and only need four lights on the stack
03:15 PM roycroft: er, mains indicator, not power on
03:15 PM roycroft: i like having mains indiciators on all my machines, as they're not hard-wired, and mostly on extension cords that can move and get disconnected
03:16 PM roycroft: wlw
03:16 PM roycroft: wow, rather
03:16 PM roycroft: my 89iv is going for a lot of money on ebay now
03:17 PM roycroft: certainly more than i paid for it, and i bought it new
03:48 PM JT-Shop: that sure is an old fluke :)
03:54 PM roycroft: the 8024a?
03:56 PM JT-Shop: aye
03:56 PM roycroft: i bought that used in the '80s
03:57 PM roycroft: so yeah
03:57 PM roycroft: it's been around
03:57 PM roycroft: still a nice meter though
04:04 PM * roycroft is firmly in the buy nice stuff and take care of it camp
04:06 PM roycroft: wow
04:06 PM roycroft: the aurora borealis may be visible in eugene this weekend, if it's not cloudy
04:07 PM roycroft: but more likely in portland - we're right on the fringe
04:20 PM roycroft: it looks like 50% cloud cover tomorrow night, so it's possible
04:20 PM roycroft: but unlikely
04:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I blew up an old Fluke like that, real good
04:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they don't seem to like high voltages ~1500V
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04:33 PM roycroft: i think they're rated at 1000vdc, 750vac
04:33 PM roycroft: so yeah, you were pushing the limits a bit
04:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or spikes in FLYBACK circuits
04:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it turns copper traces and protection components into carbon
04:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or vapor
04:40 PM roycroft: it looks like we jump from $50 to $400 for the stack light tower i need if i buy it in america
04:41 PM JT-Shop: yeah they are pretty pricy for sure
04:41 PM XXCoder: did your stack bvurn out?
04:42 PM JT-Shop: stack lights are pretty cheap on amazon
04:42 PM roycroft: it never worked
04:43 PM roycroft: i suspect they sent me a high voltage ac stack instead of a 24vdc stack
04:43 PM roycroft: i'm scaling back from five lights to four now, jt-shop
04:43 PM roycroft: and already have the price down from $400 to $165
04:44 PM JT-Shop: I only see 3 lights on amazon
04:44 PM roycroft: the one i'm looking at now would be a lot better anyway
04:44 PM roycroft: the one i got was 70mm in diameter, and i did not want something that big
04:44 PM roycroft: the one i'm looking at now is 40mm, which is much better
04:44 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/PTE-TC-402-RYGB-B-Modular-mounting-Terminal-Connector/dp/B07GH7SCY2
04:45 PM roycroft: i want the red indicator to least flash, if not rotate, and the rest to be steady
04:45 PM roycroft: i saw that one, and all the lamps are steady only
04:46 PM roycroft: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/stacklights/patlite_pre-assembled_stack_light_units_and_accessories/40mm_(lr4_series)/lr4-402ljbw-rygb
04:46 PM roycroft: that's what i'm currently looking at
04:47 PM roycroft: i need to resolve the issue with the return of the one i bought before getting another
04:47 PM roycroft: the seller may insist on sending another one
04:48 PM XXCoder: reading about deere wow
04:48 PM XXCoder: workers is striking it seems
04:48 PM roycroft: they've been on strike for a while
04:49 PM XXCoder: didnt know till now
04:49 PM XXCoder: that companys already in my shitlist, but this just pushes them in deeper
04:49 PM roycroft: the pandemic has made people realise that doing shit work for shit wages is not something they want to do any more
04:51 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:51 PM XXCoder: like last minute days change, so on
04:51 PM XXCoder: imho I think that should be illegal
04:52 PM roguish[m]: especially when one can sit back and collet from the government.....and not pay rent....
04:52 PM XXCoder: i guess you never tried to live on that
04:53 PM roguish[m]: i'm an engineer. been on unemployment more than once.....
04:53 PM XXCoder: ok. well i was on ss for years
04:53 PM XXCoder: and frankly i rather be on work.
04:54 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder, got my home directory on a 1TB drive and the OS on the 250GB SSd
04:54 PM roycroft: most people don't want to sit around and collect checks for doing nothing
04:54 PM XXCoder: jt recovered in least some of em? awesome
04:54 PM roycroft: but they do want to be able to work a decent job, get treated fairly, and bring home enough money to feed their family without having to take two or three jobs
04:55 PM XXCoder: yep used to be that one person working means they are well off enough to pay for home and car and bills
04:55 PM roycroft: and for the record, i was opposed to the direct checks to workers
04:55 PM XXCoder: now its 2 jobs to barely tread above water
04:55 PM JT-Shop: no, just rebuilding from scratch
04:55 PM roycroft: the company for which i work was hit hard by the pandemic
04:55 PM roycroft: i got my boss to apply for the paycheck protection plan, and he did
04:56 PM roycroft: he got enough money to keep the staff employed and keep the business afloat
04:56 PM roycroft: that's how it should have been for everyone who had a regular job
04:56 PM roycroft: and that program was available for the self-employed and gig workers too
04:56 PM JT-Shop: my bank offered it to me
04:57 PM roycroft: it was a much better solution, because it kept workers accustomed to getting their paycheck from their employer
04:57 PM JT-Shop: that's a tall stack light or really skinny
04:58 PM roycroft: which is much better than direct payments from the government, imo
04:58 PM JT-Shop: I've used Patlite before on machines
04:58 PM XXCoder: roy honestly 3 checks did help, but it was simply does very little in long run
04:58 PM roycroft: i'm looking at some patlite stacks right now
04:58 PM roycroft: what we need is to get people back to work
04:59 PM XXCoder: right now im still worried, because i might never have a job again
04:59 PM roycroft: the supply chain is so messed up right now the economy is hurting because people cannot buy stuff
04:59 PM XXCoder: its already very hard for me to get job, but now im permently dizzy
04:59 PM roycroft: and to get people back to work we need to conquer the pandemic
05:02 PM JT-Shop: you could make the red light flash with hal
05:02 PM roycroft: yes, i could, i suppose
05:02 PM JT-Shop: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/stacklights/patlite_pre-assembled_stack_light_units_and_accessories/40mm_(lr4_series)/lr4-402wjnw-rygb
05:03 PM roycroft: i want linuxcnc to know when the e-stop is mashed
05:03 PM XXCoder: yeah. most machines i ever ran had various setting like this:
05:03 PM JT-Shop: a n/o contact to linuxcnc on the estop
05:04 PM JT-Shop: then if that input is on a classicladder would flash the light easy
05:04 PM XXCoder: color, steady, flashing. red, (nothing), emergacy. (nothing), finished and idle. green, running, hold
05:05 PM XXCoder: (middle is yellow, missed a word lol)
05:05 PM JT-Shop: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/47-hal-examples/25861-external-e-stop
05:08 PM roycroft: if i do four lights, my sequence would be this: blue - low voltage 5vdc and 24vcs on, amber - motion control ready (48vdc) green - spindle on and program running, flashing/rotating red + buzzer - e-stop
05:09 PM roycroft: more accurately, amber would be standby, which means 48v on and spindle off
05:09 PM roycroft: i'm happy to be convinced that there's a better way of sequencing that
05:10 PM roycroft: i have both the advantage and disadvantage of not having worked with any cnc machines before, other than my little 3d printer
05:11 PM XXCoder: yeah? interesting. the colors and status i listed above is pretty common, only few older machines differing
05:11 PM XXCoder: for example old fadal has one blue light. flashing for idle, and blue for running. it later broke so its more like "no light"
05:13 PM roycroft: i'm going to have the pi running linuxcnc internal to the machine
05:13 PM roycroft: and it won't have a display
05:13 PM JT-Shop: my buddy at the injection molding plant uses small leds with labels for indicators
05:13 PM roycroft: so i'd like to have a low voltage indicator that tells me that the pi is online
05:14 PM XXCoder: yeah blue would work for that
05:14 PM roycroft: since i'll be controlling the indicators through the relay hat on the pi, and hal will be controlling the relays, i could do a combination of steady and flashing on each indicator to show more states
05:15 PM roycroft: so steady green, for example, could mean spindle on but program not running, and flashing green could mean program running
05:15 PM JT-Shop: that sound confusing to me
05:15 PM roycroft: or something like that
05:15 PM roycroft: yes, it is easy to overcomplicate things
05:15 PM XXCoder: i suggest dont use flashing unless need attention
05:16 PM roycroft: but the beauty of doing it this way is that it can be done very simply at first, and if i want to do something more it's just a matter of making changes with hal, not any wiring changes
05:16 PM roycroft: my inclination is that steady means all is good, and flashing means attention is needed
05:16 PM XXCoder: yeah thats usual
05:16 PM roycroft: and flashing + buzzer means DANGER WIL ROBINSON!
05:17 PM roycroft: so perhaps flashing green could mean tool change needed
05:18 PM XXCoder: yeah that could work.
05:18 PM roycroft: anyway, none of this needs to be done right now - the stack light tower could be the very last thing i install
05:18 PM XXCoder: tool change or on hold
05:19 PM roycroft: i figure that when i'm running a program on the router i'll probably be in the shop but doing something else while it's running
05:19 PM roycroft: which is why i want the stack lights, so i don't have to be staring at the screen to know what's going on
05:20 PM roycroft: that will probably be the case when i finally get my mill cnc converted as well
05:20 PM roycroft: people told me that when i bought my 3d printer i'd be mesmerized by it and spend hours on end watching it print
05:20 PM roycroft: that turned out not to be the case with me at all
05:21 PM roycroft: i got bored watching it very quickly, and got a web cam almost immediately so i could monitor it from another room while i'm doing other things
05:21 PM roycroft: i anticipate that the cnc router and cnc mill will go much the same
05:22 PM XXCoder: yeah its same for me lol first few prints wow
05:22 PM XXCoder: then meh after that
05:26 PM CloudEvil: roycroft: I wonder if observers confuse 'staring at it to see if I can stop it before the fuckup is irrecoverable' and 'mesmerised'
05:27 PM JT-Shop: the first part I run in the vmc I watch very close after I've proven out the g code I press the start button and walk off
05:28 PM XXCoder: with unproven program i dry run entire thing
05:28 PM XXCoder: then walk in each tool
05:29 PM XXCoder: make sure it dont hit part
05:30 PM XXCoder: proven, I go stright to walk in each part in case theres configuration error
05:36 PM JT-Shop: how do you dry run?
05:37 PM Tom_L: turn the coolant off and let er fly!
05:37 PM XXCoder: jt no part
05:38 PM JT-Shop: ok that makes sense
05:38 PM Tom_L: i watch where the spindle is as it's dry run to make sure the height looks close
05:38 PM XXCoder: yeah. though with custom fixtures, you insert part, tighten it to normal torque, then remember where handle is
05:38 PM JT-Shop: I thought I was machining the delrin dry but OneCNC has weird things it remembers and the last op had coolant lol
05:38 PM roycroft: two questions:
05:38 PM Tom_L: since i don't have a tool changer
05:38 PM XXCoder: remove it and move handle back to that position
05:39 PM roycroft: my new rpi's console stopped working shortly after i added the relay hat
05:39 PM roycroft: it had been complaning of low power before - it was in my office with a wall-wart power adapter
05:39 PM roycroft: would a pi turn off its gpu if it thinks there's not enough power to run it?
05:40 PM XXCoder: how much amp do it have now?
05:40 PM XXCoder: as input
05:40 PM JT-Shop: never experienced that
05:40 PM roycroft: i'm putting it back in the control box now, and i'll have 10a of 5v power for it
05:40 PM JT-Shop: unplug the hat and see
05:40 PM roycroft: i think the wall-wart is like 2.5a
05:40 PM roycroft: i already brought it back out to the shop, and have screwed the hat in
05:40 PM roycroft: i'll just bring a display out there before i power it up to see
05:41 PM roycroft: the other question:
05:41 PM roycroft: if i install linuxcnc on the machine, and want to try to get hal to talk to the relay hat, can i do that with halcmd ssh'ed into the machine?
05:41 PM roycroft: or do i need a gui interface to work on that stuff?
05:42 PM satiowadahc[m]: Halrun
05:42 PM roycroft: thanks
05:42 PM roycroft: this hat has an i2c interface
05:42 PM roycroft: i can talk to it with some of the rpi commands, but i'll need a hal module to talk to it for linuxcnc
05:43 PM JT-Shop: have you tested the hal gpio?
05:43 PM roycroft: no
05:43 PM roycroft: i should go power it up now and see if i have a console
05:44 PM satiowadahc[m]: Over ssh to a pi I also find tmux handy
05:44 PM roycroft: if i don't it is still under warranty, but not for much longer
05:44 PM JT-Shop: I got side tracked by my snafu but I want to make a test hal program to test hal gpio
05:44 PM roycroft: i use tmux all the time, everywhere :)
05:44 PM roycroft: because i know exactly when i'm going to get disconnected from a machine
05:44 PM roycroft: it's not random at all
05:45 PM roycroft: it's always when doing something scary where losing the session would hose things
05:47 PM JT-Shop: just like a software estop is a bad idea so is running a cnc machine via ethernet...
05:49 PM satiowadahc[m]: What if you don't enable motion?
05:51 PM roycroft: well now you've heard of it, jt-shop
05:52 PM roycroft: because the console works fine now that it's connected to the 10a power supply
05:52 PM roycroft: and btw, i've been thinking about my x forwarding via ssh setup
05:52 PM roycroft: it works, and i'm glad i made it work
05:53 PM roycroft: but if the session dies, so does linuxcnc
05:53 PM roycroft: vnc may be a more reliable solution
05:53 PM roycroft: that way, if the network gets disconnected, all i have to do is reconnect
05:53 PM roycroft: or plug in a physical console
05:54 PM JT-Shop: I've heard of it before but the risk is not worth it imho
05:54 PM roycroft: so now i think i'll do that
05:54 PM XXCoder: wow! youtube added report captions. which include "inaccurate". FINALLY
05:54 PM XXCoder: i now can report wrong language ones
05:55 PM roycroft: i'm not sure what the risk is with vnc
05:55 PM roycroft: it just allows one to access he console over the network
05:55 PM roycroft: it does not disable the actual console at all
05:56 PM roycroft: i'm already bringing a usb port from the pi to the outside of the router
05:56 PM roycroft: i could bring more, and also an hdmi port
05:56 PM JT-Shop: might be ok but I like to be at the machine when I start it
05:56 PM roycroft: so that i could get the physical console if necessary
05:56 PM roycroft: well my plan is to be at the machine when i start it
05:56 PM roycroft: right next to it, with my laptop
05:57 PM roycroft: i agree with you that remotely managing a machine like that is not wise
05:57 PM JT-Shop: ah your using the laptop as your display... now I get what your doing
05:57 PM roycroft: yes
05:57 PM JT-Shop: I've seen some that want to machine from another building
05:57 PM roycroft: i just don't want to have to plug a monitor and keyboard directly into the router
05:57 PM roycroft: that is scary as hell
05:57 PM JT-Shop: that makes more sense to me now
05:57 PM roycroft: yeah
05:57 PM roycroft: i'm not reckless :)
05:58 PM JT-Shop: I didn't think so but didn't understand
05:58 PM roycroft: but for right now, with no gecko drives and no motors installed, i want to be able to run linuxcnc from my office
05:58 PM Tom_L: what? you don't do that!!! wifi camera is all you need!
05:58 PM Tom_L: :)
05:58 PM roycroft: so i don't have to be in the shop the whole time
05:59 PM JT-Shop: cold enough to have chicken soup tonight
05:59 PM Tom_L: yes or chili
05:59 PM JT-Shop: chili with an i and no beans
05:59 PM JT-Shop: alton brown chili episode is one of my favorites
06:00 PM Tom_L: ok just picked up her 2020 honda for the 2nd windshield !
06:00 PM Tom_L: 3rd... original and 2 replacements
06:00 PM JT-Shop: what did that set you back?
06:01 PM Tom_L: 1.5k but it's under insurance
06:01 PM JT-Shop: and why does she keep breaking them? lol
06:01 PM Tom_L: i'm taking the keys and leaving it in the garage a while :)
06:01 PM JT-Shop: LOL
06:02 PM Tom_L: i've no idea, just luck i suppose
06:02 PM JT-Shop: it has keys?
06:02 PM Tom_L: no
06:02 PM JT-Shop: ours just has a cube
06:02 PM Tom_L: well a fake key and a fob
06:02 PM JT-Shop: but there is a key inside
06:02 PM Tom_L: the 'just in case key'
06:03 PM Tom_L: i was talking to a client that has a harley and he lost his fob.. that was a #300 mistake
06:03 PM Tom_L: $
06:03 PM JT-Shop: yep my buddy has a harley trike and the radio died... $3k
06:04 PM JT-Shop: Honda BlueWind never had an issue
06:04 PM roycroft: when i had my new beetle i was doing some work on the car and had to disconnect the battery
06:05 PM roycroft: when i reconnected it the radio was locked
06:05 PM roycroft: the unlock code was not in the owner's manual where it was supposed tobe
06:05 PM roycroft: the local vw dealer wanted $130 to look up the code for me
06:05 PM JT-Shop: a part on the AC for the Insight is problematic so what does Honda do? Double the warranty period
06:05 PM roycroft: i knew a vw mechanic, and he had the radio removal tools, but would not lend them to me
06:06 PM roycroft: he let me trace them on a piece of paper at his shop, though, and i took the tracing home and made my own
06:06 PM roycroft: removed the radio, read the code off the back, reinstalled it, and unlocked it
06:07 PM JT-Shop: wow, what a pia
06:07 PM roycroft: yeah
06:08 PM roycroft: and i would have taken a hammer drill with a cold chisel, chopped the radio out of the dash, and bought an aftermarket one for more money before giving the vw dealer the $130
06:08 PM JT-Shop: I know that feeling
06:08 PM JT-Shop: hens are going inside for the night...
06:10 PM Tom_L: so am i
06:10 PM JT-Shop: me three
06:10 PM Tom_L: i got a larger stepper comin for the rotary
06:11 PM Tom_L: same as the other axis. the one i tested was off the sherline
06:11 PM JT-Shop: you think it was stalling out?
06:11 PM Tom_L: no, i got it to turn finally free standing
06:11 PM Tom_L: it's still config settings but i'm gonna wait til i get the new one
06:11 PM JT-Shop: odd for sure
06:12 PM Tom_L: difference between linear and angular is all
06:12 PM Tom_L: the units change
06:13 PM JT-Shop: I wonder if angular does not do the acceleration correct or something
06:13 PM Tom_L: i noticed something odd about that too
06:13 PM Tom_L: it accelerates really slow up to the set feed
06:14 PM Tom_L: maybe setting too, i dunno yet
06:17 PM * JT-Shop takes 5 with dave before going inside
06:18 PM roycroft: well that was absolutely trivial to do
06:18 PM Tom_L: i might need to add a reductin pulley if i wanna use it for live cutting
06:18 PM Tom_L: not sure yet
06:18 PM roycroft: apt -y install tightvncserver
06:18 PM roycroft: vncserver :1
06:19 PM roycroft: set password
06:19 PM roycroft: then open an ssh tunnel on the mac
06:19 PM roycroft: and connect to the tunnnel
06:19 PM roycroft: now my rpi console is on my mac
06:19 PM JT-Shop: cool
06:19 PM roycroft: yeah, this will make configuring linuxcnc a whole lot easier
06:19 PM JT-Shop: a little eric johnson and I'm out of here
06:28 PM roycroft: can someone tell me what the permissions of rtapi_app should be?
06:28 PM roycroft: linuxcnc is crashing because it can't exec that
06:29 PM roycroft: it looks like i build 2.9.0~pre0, which is not what i intended to do
06:29 PM Tom_L: you want 2.8.2 don't you?
06:29 PM roycroft: probably
06:29 PM Tom_L: and you have to build it?
06:30 PM roycroft: right now i just want to play with what i have, to see how vnc goes
06:30 PM roycroft: if i'm honest, i don't remember why i built it from source
06:30 PM Tom_L: 64 or 32bit?
06:30 PM roycroft: i do have a custom kernel
06:30 PM roycroft: 64 bit
06:30 PM roycroft: no, wait
06:30 PM roycroft: i'm on a 32 bit kernel at the moment
06:31 PM Tom_L: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/2.8-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/
06:31 PM Tom_L: find the latest deb
06:31 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc-uspace_22.214.171.124.g2e94d346a_armhf.deb
06:31 PM Tom_L: looks like
06:32 PM Tom_L: docs are above that
06:33 PM Tom_L: for buster
06:33 PM roycroft: Linux raspberrypi 4.19.71-rt24-v7l-CNCROUTER+ #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sun Oct 17 21:12:07 PDT 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux
06:33 PM roycroft: that's what i'm running on the pi
06:33 PM Tom_L: mmm
06:35 PM Tom_L: you didn't want buster?
06:36 PM roycroft: it is buster, but raspbian buster
06:36 PM Tom_L: you could try that deb and see if you want
06:36 PM roycroft: i thought i needed that for the rpi-specific drivers
06:36 PM roycroft: i'm tring it now
06:37 PM Tom_L: i'm using it but i installed the buster iso then upgraded linuxcnc
06:37 PM roycroft: it takes a while for a pi to isntll things
06:37 PM roycroft: and there are buttload of dependencies to install first
06:38 PM Tom_L: the iso would have gotten you there sooner i think
06:38 PM roycroft: i'm a old volkswagen driver
06:38 PM roycroft: the journey is as important as the destination
06:39 PM roycroft: the ultimate goal is to be able to build a custom debian distro with linuxcnc for the pi
06:39 PM roycroft: but the immediate goal is to get linuxcnc running on the pi and to work on getting hal to manage the relay hat i've added
06:40 PM roycroft: i need to make dinner now as well
06:41 PM roycroft: i have a long meeting at 6 tonight, and i want to have dinner before i go
06:45 PM Tom_L: so the wind we've been having caused the glass in a glassed in walkway connecting 2 buildings on each side of the road to come loose
06:45 PM Tom_L: firefighters closed the road to stabilize the glass
06:45 PM Tom_L: and it will remain so until a permanent repair can be done
06:49 PM cradek: yikes
06:51 PM roycroft: that .deb does not work
06:52 PM roycroft: no opengl glx extension in the x server
06:59 PM * roycroft had the same opengl issue when trying to run linuxcnc via x tunneling on his macs, but does not think it should be an issue with vnc
07:05 PM cradek: it definitely can. depends what your opengl is. if it's software rendering, it will probably work with vnc. if it's hardware, probably not.
07:05 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i had my doubts
07:06 PM cradek: glxinfo|grep 'direct rendering'
07:06 PM cradek: direct rendering: Yes
07:06 PM cradek: if it says yes it probably won't work in vnc
07:09 PM roycroft: i need to get ready for my meeting
07:10 PM roycroft: but when i had the problem with x tunnelling, it determined it was a mac os issue
07:10 PM roycroft: and when i used my linux laptop it worked fine
07:10 PM roycroft: so that's what i'll try next, either late this evening or early tomorrow
07:10 PM roycroft: if the linux laptop works then i'll be fine
07:11 PM roycroft: and the thing is, mac os does have the opengl glx extension
07:11 PM roycroft: but for whatever reason, x apps running on a non-mac os machine don't think so
07:12 PM roycroft: i suspect the x server on my macs is broken
07:15 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:53 PM robotustra: hi
08:16 PM Tom_L: hi
08:41 PM XXCoder: LOL
08:41 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUsClKbPDsE
08:41 PM XXCoder: love this guy
08:51 PM robotustra: moi aussi
08:52 PM robotustra: did sime tests of z axis finally
08:53 PM robotustra: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVoddY4DWJV/
09:20 PM aaroncnc: whats your guys thoughts on editors for python. i have been using notepad++ but wondering if theres a better choice.
09:22 PM Tom_L: that's what i use for just about everything
09:22 PM Tom_L: maybe gedit on linux
09:22 PM robotustra: I don't write in python, but use sublime
09:23 PM robotustra: for everything
09:26 PM robotustra: it's getting heavier and heavier from version to version
10:17 PM skunkworks: going to have to pull the headstock on the cincinati..
10:25 PM XXCoder: shoot me please
10:25 PM XXCoder: going out to buy food on very bad dizzy day
10:25 PM XXCoder: im so flipping tired
10:30 PM robotustra: why?
10:32 PM XXCoder: ill send you $100 if you answer and its confirmed
10:32 PM XXCoder: been dizzy for way too long
10:32 PM robotustra: dizzyness from shot?
10:32 PM XXCoder: why would you instantly go to vaccine?
10:33 PM robotustra: just to illiminate some variables
10:33 PM XXCoder: well. i was already dizzy for 8 months when I had vaccine.
10:33 PM XXCoder: so... no.
10:34 PM XXCoder: no antivax stuff please
10:34 PM robotustra: dizzyness can come from undesleep
10:34 PM robotustra: intoxication
10:34 PM XXCoder: 8-9 hours everyday
10:34 PM robotustra: bad food
10:35 PM XXCoder: now that was more debatable, since I had autobrewery
10:35 PM XXCoder: i stopped it 2-3 months ago
10:35 PM XXCoder: dizzyness changed, i have working balance now, but still dizzy
10:35 PM robotustra: do you have normal weight?
10:36 PM XXCoder: same weight for last decade. not a factor. overweight but not mobidly
10:36 PM robotustra: too much coffee? carbohydrates?
10:36 PM XXCoder: 15 coffe cups in my life so far
10:36 PM XXCoder: carbs, 10-15 grams a day now
10:36 PM robotustra: per day?
10:36 PM XXCoder: per life. thats why I said life
10:37 PM robotustra: I see
10:37 PM robotustra: strange then
10:37 PM XXCoder: yup still figuring it out
10:37 PM robotustra: I had some dizzyness for myself and I knew what was the reason, I dropped 18 kilos and not everything is fine
10:38 PM robotustra: now*
10:38 PM XXCoder: lol
10:39 PM robotustra: food poisoning another reason
10:41 PM XXCoder: dunno, i doubt there'd be one with side effects lasting 16 months
10:43 PM robotustra: cancer?
10:45 PM XXCoder: good question
10:45 PM XXCoder: it'd have to be brain one
10:45 PM XXCoder: low suveriorship
10:46 PM robotustra: thare are different types of cancer
10:47 PM robotustra: I knew one guy who had slowly deleloping cancer, for 20 years
10:47 PM robotustra: after chernobyl
10:47 PM robotustra: he got medical treatment and he is still alive
10:48 PM XXCoder: i still wonder if my grabdfather got cancer from ww2 nukes
10:48 PM XXCoder: brb
10:48 PM robotustra: irradiation is one of the probable cause
10:50 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, what's wrong with the headstock?
10:53 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, hearing loss have an effect on balance / dizzyness?
10:54 PM Tom_L: robotustra, how are those workers building that cover over it doing it without exposure?
10:55 PM Tom_L: that seems like a damned expensive project too
10:56 PM Tom_L: was that chernobyl or japan...
10:57 PM Tom_L: chernybyl..
10:59 PM XXCoder: back sorry had to help mom
11:00 PM XXCoder: anyway reason im not certain is because basically only thing my grandfather was willing to say was he was drafted, then went to germany then japan
11:00 PM XXCoder: went back after bombs
11:01 PM XXCoder: he would be eligible for objection, being pacificist, but he went anyway with draft
11:01 PM XXCoder: probably why he refuse to speak of it
11:12 PM robotustra: <+Tom_L> robotustra, how are those workers building that cover over it doing it without exposure?
11:12 PM robotustra: they had exposure, but they were working in short periods of time
11:13 PM XXCoder: yeah, annual and daily dose limits
11:16 PM robotustra: good night
11:16 PM XXCoder: night
11:20 PM aaroncnc: made some progress on my remora tool today. it is now generating a ini file, it runs but still need to clean it up and add a few more options.
11:20 PM aaroncnc: up next will be the hal file.