#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 13 2021

12:31 AM Rhine_Labs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjHMrdcJZ-o
12:39 AM Rhine_Labs: LOL
12:39 AM XXCoder: nice
12:45 AM roycroft: sure
12:45 AM roycroft: tormach also have always embraced need-to-repair in all their equipment
12:45 AM XXCoder: well they got up in list in my eyes
12:45 AM XXCoder: because anti-right to repair companies suck
12:47 AM XXCoder: reasonable, those
12:48 AM CaptHindsight[m]: however medical devices like a respirator should allow for 3rd party tubing in the event of an emergency
12:49 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/amyfeldman/2020/03/19/talking-with-the-italian-engineers-who-3d-printed-respirator-parts-for-hospitals-with-coronavirus-patients-for-free/
01:31 AM randy: morning
01:47 AM Deejay: moin
02:22 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:39 AM rene-dev9 is now known as rene-dev
02:39 AM deanforbes_ is now known as deanforbes
02:39 AM Rhine_Labs: XXCoder you are live on discord LOL
02:39 AM XXCoder: well yeah im on both here and discord for linuxcnc
02:39 AM Rhine_Labs: Contract_Pilot on there.
03:22 AM pere_ is now known as pere
04:34 AM Tom_itx: morning
04:34 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
04:38 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:06 AM pere: hi. Are you aware of <URL: https://bugs.debian.org/969416 > on getting LinuxCNC available directly from Debian and Ubuntu via 'apt install'?
07:40 AM Tom_L: yep
07:48 AM Tom_L: pere, Sept 26 12:23 PM seb_kuzminsky: i'm super excited about steffen moeller helping us get linuxcnc into debian
07:51 AM pere: nice. I would be happy to help too.
07:51 AM pere: Tom_L: is he here on IRC?
08:00 AM Tom_L: in the devel channel
08:01 AM pere: Tom_L: ok, thanks.
09:41 AM JT-Cave: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/43907-rpi-4-gpio-calculator
09:41 AM JT-Cave: I guess I should go to work on something and quit putzing around with python
09:46 AM JT-Cave: I know roycroft will want to see that
09:47 AM roycroft: thanks, jt-shop!
09:48 AM roycroft: i have a buttload of parcels arriving today in the mail - i think i'll have everything i need to start putting my controller together
09:48 AM roycroft: so perhaps i'll be able to test the gpio pins on the pi soon
09:48 AM CloudEvil: :)
09:57 AM roycroft: and i just got an email that my stack light tower is clearing us customs
09:57 AM roycroft: i guess they put it in a plane instead of a slow boat
10:03 AM JT-Shop: I'll have a deb for that rpi tool tomorrow
10:05 AM roycroft: awesome
10:06 AM roycroft: i hope the rpi works out well as a linuxcnc machine for my router
10:06 AM roycroft: i'm starting to think about using one for my mill as well, whenever i get that project going again
10:07 AM roycroft: i have a nice rack mount server for the mill, and a roll-around rack for it, but if i can run it with a pi, i might be able to reclaim some real estate in the shop
10:07 AM roycroft: i'm not sure about that, though - i'd like a proper console for the mill
10:08 AM roycroft: the router i think will be fine using a laptop and x forwarding, but the mill might benefit more from a proper console, considering that i'll be using it in manual mode much of the time
10:11 AM JT-Shop: decoding that example file was a fun brain teaser for sure...
10:27 AM roycroft: brains as old as ours need a good teasing once in a while
10:30 AM t4nk_freenode: either that, Or be put into a jar.
10:31 AM roycroft: that's fine, but when you put my jar on the shelf, please keep it far away from nixon's head in a jar
10:32 AM t4nk_freenode: I was just contemplating keeping it away from Frankenstein too
10:32 AM t4nk_freenode: Futurama messed us up
10:33 AM roycroft: i'd rather be parked next to frankenstein than nixon's head in a jar
10:45 AM roycroft: the snow level is down to 1000m
10:45 AM roycroft: i'll be seeing snow in the foothills soon
12:50 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:08 PM satiowadahc[m]: snow.. not ready for that yet... new acreage and 600 ft driveway...
01:08 PM satiowadahc[m]: Anyone know how tooloffsets are supposed to be applied?
01:08 PM Tom_L: length or diameter?
01:09 PM Tom_L: enter them in the tool table
01:09 PM satiowadahc[m]: diameter. Trying to set offset x,y,z, mill with multiple tools on it
01:09 PM satiowadahc[m]: M6 Tn will update from there?
01:10 PM Tom_L: why x and y on a tool?
01:10 PM satiowadahc[m]: Three separate spindles and a laser probe
01:10 PM Tom_L: length should be the same
01:11 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure what you're doing with x and y
01:11 PM Tom_L: typically a tool will have an H word (length) and D for diameter
01:12 PM satiowadahc[m]: I mean I could re-zero on each of the three spindles, but was hoping to use an offset for each
01:12 PM Tom_L: separate work offsets maybe?
01:12 PM Tom_L: G54 55 56 etc
01:12 PM roycroft: the only reason a tool would have a different x and y offset would be if the tool were not round and if the tool does not spin, unless i'm missing something
01:13 PM Tom_L: you would still want the tool center
01:13 PM satiowadahc[m]: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html#motion.tooloffset.L
01:14 PM satiowadahc[m]: Well they're separate spindle that function at different times
01:14 PM satiowadahc[m]: s/spindle/spindles/
01:15 PM satiowadahc[m]: so set G54 to spindle 0 center, 55 to spindle 1 center, Then use global for my WCS offset
01:15 PM satiowadahc[m]: ?
01:16 PM * roycroft is still not following, and thinks it may be due to not having had breakfast this morning, and so decides to not think about this any more and instead prepare an early lunch
01:16 PM Tom_L: maybe above my pay grade or i'm not understanding what you're doing
01:16 PM Tom_L: i get you have multiple spindles
01:17 PM Tom_L: and need to control them separately
01:17 PM satiowadahc[m]: Just trying to use the same zero point for each
01:18 PM Tom_L: if you used the G54 etc work offsets you would need them in your gcode file for each spindle
01:18 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure that's the right way to approach it either
01:19 PM Tom_L: are the spindles fixed or independently controlled?
01:20 PM Tom_L: there was a guy here that got a router with multiple spindles but i'm not sure how he controlled them
01:21 PM satiowadahc[m]: two are fixed distance from each other, third is x/z fixed y variable.
01:22 PM Tom_L: for the 2 fixed you _could_ use the work offsets and offset then X distance same as the spindles
01:22 PM roycroft: i might eventually have two spindles on my mill
01:22 PM Tom_L: then call each work offset per spindle in the gclde
01:22 PM roycroft: a high speed one and a low speed one
01:23 PM roycroft: they would never be engaged at the same time
01:23 PM Tom_L: yeah but you wouldn't be using them at the same time
01:23 PM roycroft: i figured i'd just have two machine profiles in linuxcnc, and select the appropriate one
01:23 PM Tom_L: so conventional programming would work fine
01:23 PM roycroft: yes
01:24 PM roycroft: but i'm still not getting this tool offset thing
01:24 PM roycroft: it has nothing to do with spindles
01:24 PM Tom_L: no but think of them as 2 separate work pieces
01:24 PM Tom_L: say 6" apart
01:24 PM roycroft: sure, but you set up a relative coordinate system for that
01:24 PM Tom_L: just set g55 X 6" more than G54
01:26 PM Tom_L: satiowadahc[m], a pic might be worth 1k words in this case
01:26 PM roycroft: i'm done with work for the day in a couple minutes
01:27 PM roycroft: i had to work late last night, so i'm getting this afternoon off as comp time
01:27 PM roycroft: it's too bad the mail won't arrive for another 6 hours
01:27 PM roycroft: i'll be able to do the final measurements on my mill, though, to see if the gears i found last night really will work
01:28 PM roycroft: and if so, i can get them ordered
01:36 PM satiowadahc[m]: One moment I'll take a picture.
01:37 PM satiowadahc[m]: Wondering If I need to Call G43 Hn
01:37 PM pere: Is there a G code to take a picture? :)
01:37 PM satiowadahc[m]: roycroft: did you end up contracting the gears or milling them yourself?
01:38 PM satiowadahc[m]: I mean kinda: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/lib/python/qtvcp/widgets/camview_widget.py?
01:43 PM roycroft: i found some online that i think i can make work
01:43 PM roycroft: both will need to be bored and broached
01:44 PM roycroft: but that's doable
01:44 PM roycroft: i'll be heading out to do the final measurements in a few minutes
01:44 PM roycroft: i just had to place an order with mcmaster
01:46 PM roycroft: https://www.bbman.com/catalog/product/27T5_20-2
01:46 PM roycroft: that would be for the motor
01:47 PM roycroft: https://www.bbman.com/catalog/product/27T5_32-2
01:47 PM roycroft: and that for the transmission
01:47 PM roycroft: they are not only finer tooth than what i have, they take 16mm wide belts, which is slightly wider than what i have
01:48 PM roycroft: a definite improvement to what i currently have
01:52 PM * satiowadahc[m] uploaded an image: (104KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jtVZdoGaYCYsRHkLXNRbIhVW/IMG_20211013_125124.jpg >
01:54 PM satiowadahc[m]: router in the middle, two drills with auto screw feeders on either side
01:54 PM satiowadahc[m]: Wait do photos go across the IRC bridge?
02:00 PM Tom_L: yes
02:00 PM satiowadahc[m]: Can confirm needed to call G43
02:01 PM Tom_L: if you want length offset
02:01 PM Tom_L: err that one cancels it doesn't it?
02:02 PM Tom_L: yes you would call the tool T1 M6
02:02 PM Tom_L: then G43 H1
02:03 PM JT-Shop: you can do it on one line with T1 M6 G43 H is only needed if you want a different offset
02:03 PM satiowadahc[m]: When would you not want to apply offsets?
02:04 PM Tom_L: if you're only using one tool and you touched off the tool from the workpiece
02:04 PM Tom_L: i always use them
02:17 PM JT-Shop: this motor I'm sizing for a breaker does 1680 giri/min
02:22 PM unterhaus_: must be italian giri == tour
02:23 PM unterhaus_: rotation
02:26 PM satiowadahc[m]: RPM, I've had a few motors the sam
02:28 PM satiowadahc[m]: Like the router in that photo says 40000 GIRI
02:35 PM JT-Shop: yep it's on a Baccii copy lathe made in Italy
02:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: does the ink rub off the shrink wrap wire label markers when the wrap gets warm?
02:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: rub off/ smudge
02:44 PM roycroft: i have shrunk it with a pretty hot heat gun and the ink did not rub off
02:45 PM roycroft: so i can make the gears fit on my mill
02:45 PM roycroft: is anyone interested in a small milling job?
02:45 PM roycroft: i need a mounting plate for the motor, and i don't want to have to make it without a mill
02:52 PM JT-Shop: got a drawing?
02:55 PM roycroft: i'll have one soon
02:56 PM roycroft: it will be just a piece of 3/16" or 1/4" plate, with two large holes, four screw holes, and for slots
02:56 PM roycroft: i just worked out the measurements for the motor and for the belt length
02:57 PM roycroft: i'm ordering the pulleys and belts now
02:57 PM roycroft: i'll work on the drawing after
03:00 PM JT-Shop: k
03:02 PM roycroft: is metric ok?
03:02 PM roycroft: the machine is metric, and the exiting plate is metric
03:03 PM roycroft: but i can convert if necessary
03:04 PM roycroft: i'll just do that, actually, since i need to do part of it in american customary anyway, because i'm turning it into a frankenstein machine
03:26 PM JT-Shop: it won't matter, I'll have to put it into SolidWorks then OneCNC
03:31 PM roycroft: i can provide dwg or dfx
03:31 PM roycroft: if that helps
03:36 PM JT-Shop: I can open dxf in OneCNC directly
03:37 PM roycroft: that will save time, and save money
03:49 PM roycroft: i can send a preliminary drawing in a minute
03:49 PM roycroft: with rough dimensions
03:49 PM roycroft: i may need to tweak it a wee bit, but locations will be close, and all features will be in the draft drawing
04:11 PM roycroft: are you about, jt-shop?
04:17 PM JT-Shop: just stepped back in
04:17 PM roycroft: is a pdf good enough for a rough estimate?
04:17 PM roycroft: or do you need the dfx now?
04:18 PM JT-Shop: pdf is fine
04:18 PM roycroft: i have to print a full-size copy of that and hold it up to the machine to make sure it's going to work
04:18 PM roycroft: but that should be very close to the final dimensions
04:19 PM roycroft: and the original is 5mm thick, but the new motor is heavier and cantilevered out, so probably 1/4" steel would be the appropriate material
04:20 PM JT-Shop: what is that notch for by the slots?
04:21 PM roycroft: clearance for a feature on the top of the head
04:21 PM roycroft: it's necessary, unfortunately
04:21 PM Tom_L: i'd charge him the 2x good buddy price :)
04:21 PM JT-Shop: can it have a radius?
04:21 PM roycroft: but i may be able to make a larger cutout that combines the notch and the hole
04:21 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:21 PM JT-Shop: are those dimensions inch?
04:21 PM roycroft: actually, let me do that right now
04:21 PM roycroft: yes
04:23 PM Tom_L: but we can't see what you're talking about :/
04:25 PM roycroft: yeah, that should save some money
04:26 PM JT-Shop: would you consider 1/2" thick 6061? I have some 6" wide stock
04:26 PM roycroft: no, that would not work, unfortunately
04:26 PM roycroft: there would not be enough clearance for the belt
04:26 PM roycroft: 1/4" is really the max
04:27 PM Tom_L: alum or steel?
04:28 PM Tom_L: either would probably do
04:30 PM JT-Shop: I have 1/4 x 8" 6061 and 1/4 x 10" HR
04:35 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/G0463_2hp_Motor_Mount_Plate_Layout_B.pdf
04:35 PM roycroft: there
04:35 PM roycroft: i won't keep you in suspence, tom_l :)
04:35 PM roycroft: that's a revised drawing, jt-shop
04:35 PM roycroft: should be easier to make
04:36 PM roycroft: hr would be fine, but that's way too wide
04:36 PM roycroft: i could probably send you some 5" flat bar, but that might get expensive to ship both ways
04:37 PM cradek: my lathe stopped working right. occasionally Z runs away at full speed.
04:37 PM roycroft: actually it would fit in a priority mail flat box, so it might not be too bad to ship
04:37 PM Tom_L: that doesn't sound good
04:37 PM cradek: I hooked up pid-saturate -> joint.amp-error or however it's spelled, and at least it stops now
04:38 PM cradek: siiiigh. although I like fixing things, I get so tired of constantly having to fix everything
04:38 PM roycroft: i might need to alter the bolt hole pattern slightly
04:38 PM roycroft: i still haven't figured out how i'm going to mount the motor
04:38 PM roycroft: i'll need some kind of standoffs
04:38 PM cradek: is bob bond here?
04:38 PM roycroft: i don't think i want to rely on spacers
04:39 PM Tom_L: cradek, haven't seen him or know his nick
04:39 PM roycroft: although they won't be very long
04:39 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, would 1/4" 6061 work?
04:39 PM roycroft: possibly
04:39 PM roycroft: the right half of the mount sits on top of the machine head
04:39 PM roycroft: the left half is cantilevered off the side with no lower support
04:40 PM roycroft: and i'm going to mount a 2hp motor on the left side
04:40 PM roycroft: 1/4" 6061 seems perhaps a bit sketchy to me
04:40 PM Tom_L: how heavy is the motor?
04:40 PM roycroft: 1/2" would be fine except it would not allow clearance for the belt
04:40 PM roycroft: it's a 2hp 3 phase induction motor
04:40 PM roycroft: probably in the 20kg or so range
04:41 PM roycroft: the old motor weighs perhaps half as much as the new one
04:41 PM * roycroft can go get a good weight on it
04:42 PM JT-Shop: I found a bit of HR plate 11 15/16" long
04:43 PM Tom_L: that's within single digit tolerance
04:44 PM roycroft: 15.14kg
04:44 PM Tom_L: so they finally got both my kid's mills back up
04:44 PM Tom_L: he's happy
04:45 PM roycroft: so not as much as i thought
04:45 PM Tom_L: but
04:45 PM roycroft: the slot locations are critical
04:45 PM Tom_L: they didn't run the spindle in so it's making noise
04:45 PM roycroft: the center distance betwen the two holes is critical
04:45 PM roycroft: the bolt circle is critical
04:45 PM Tom_L: they said run it til it blows
04:45 PM roycroft: but the rest not so much
04:45 PM JT-Shop: it will be as accurate as your drawing...
04:46 PM roycroft: if your material is 1/16" short it won't be :)
04:46 PM roycroft: but that's more than close enough
04:46 PM roycroft: there's a lot of extra room on the left end
04:46 PM JT-Shop: looks like you have extra material on the motor end
04:46 PM roycroft: i just made it 12" to make an even number
04:46 PM JT-Shop: knock a 1/4" off that end
04:46 PM roycroft: the motor will over hang the plate anyway
04:46 PM roycroft: yeah
04:47 PM roycroft: it's not a hard part to make, even milling manually
04:47 PM roycroft: but it's a hard part to make without a mill
04:47 PM roycroft: well, not hard
04:47 PM roycroft: but tedious
04:47 PM JT-Shop: aye
04:47 PM roycroft: lots of filing
04:47 PM roycroft: lots of careful layout
04:48 PM Tom_L: i did much of my mill that way:)
04:48 PM roycroft: and i'll do the same if i have to
04:48 PM roycroft: i'm thinking that's not more than a half hour of machine time, not counting setup and programming
04:48 PM JT-Shop: it's two setups
04:49 PM JT-Shop: well three including the fixture holes
04:49 PM Tom_L: jt works in a 2 setup min shop!
04:49 PM roycroft: still, it should be affordable, i think
04:49 PM Tom_L: i may run that little part this evening
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I'd drill the holes and slots and use them to bolt the part down to do the rest
04:49 PM roycroft: i'll find out in a bit :)
04:49 PM roycroft: that makes sense
04:50 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/rotary/mount/Rotary_mount3.jpg
04:50 PM Tom_L: tried to find some round bar at the scrap for standoffs but they didn't have anything that small
04:51 PM roycroft: so for mounting the motor, i need to hold it up about 3" above this plate
04:51 PM roycroft: would, say, 3/4" dom with a 3/8" id be strong enough to hold it in place, do you think?
04:51 PM roycroft: for 3" that seems like it might be ok
04:52 PM roycroft: and i could just run some 3/8" bolts up from the bottom of the plate
04:52 PM Tom_L: sounds like it that or use solid and tap both ends
04:52 PM JT-Shop: woodcraft of portland just sent me in store coupon
04:52 PM Tom_L: then the standoffs will stay in place when servicing
04:53 PM roycroft: it's a face mount motor
04:53 PM Tom_L: k
04:53 PM roycroft: so tapping the motor end would not work
04:53 PM roycroft: and what is this "servicing" thing?
04:54 PM roycroft: this is a brand new, shiny motor
04:54 PM roycroft: it will last forever once installed!
04:54 PM roycroft: i might have some 3/4" round bar in stock, in which case i'd just have to bore out for the standoffs
04:54 PM roycroft: i might even have some dom in stock
04:55 PM JT-Shop: be back in a bit... just spent 45 minutes to get a cad file of a vacuum suspension thingy
04:55 PM roycroft: sure
04:55 PM roycroft: i need to make that 1:1 printout and see if it's going to work anyway
04:56 PM solarwind: Ok so using oxygen concentrators with acetylene/propane _is_ a thing that people do
04:56 PM solarwind: they output 90-95% oxygen, I wonder how that affects the flame temperature
04:57 PM CloudEvil: Quite a lot.
04:57 PM solarwind: If they're good, I'll be switching to oxygen and propane. I avoid propane because it uses a lot more oxygen than acetylene. But I want to build a propane forge
04:58 PM solarwind: CloudEvil can you elaborate on that?
04:58 PM CloudEvil: They typically will only support around 400W of combustion
04:58 PM solarwind: I don't mind paralleling multiple units
04:58 PM CloudEvil: So you need a reservoir.
04:58 PM solarwind: That's also fine
04:59 PM solarwind: I intend to pump it into an aluminum pressure vessel to around 200 PSI
04:59 PM CloudEvil: 10% N2 does knock off a little, but it's not much. Unless you are at the limit of flame temp, ...
05:00 PM solarwind: I don't mind dealing with the pressure regulation, just concerned how badly that 10% nitrogen affects the flame temperature
05:00 PM solarwind: But as long as it's significantly better than propane/air, then I'm happy
05:09 PM roycroft: that drawing works fine
05:09 PM roycroft: i don't have to change a thing
05:10 PM * roycroft measured well for once
05:14 PM XXCoder: yay
05:15 PM roycroft: i guess i need to order a vfd now
05:22 PM roycroft: hmm
05:22 PM roycroft: huanyang sell "slightly used" vfds for about 30% less than new
05:22 PM roycroft: i just sent them a message asking about the warranty on a "slightly use" one
05:23 PM roycroft: i want to make sure it comes with all the blue smoke, ready for me to release should i choose to do so
05:23 PM roycroft: if someone already released it that would take all the fun out of getting one
05:24 PM XXCoder: magic smoke refiller would sell for so much money
05:25 PM roycroft: better to just get a time machine, go back, and avoid releasing it in the first place
05:29 PM XXCoder: lol yep
05:29 PM XXCoder: and buy some microsoft stock meanwhile
05:29 PM XXCoder: or apple, right before ipod
05:48 PM roycroft: who maintains the linuxcnc documentatin?
05:48 PM roycroft: the getting started guide still directs people to freenode for irc
05:48 PM XXCoder: i know jt edits it sometimes, but otherwise dunno
05:49 PM XXCoder: doh that needs editing
05:49 PM JT-Shop: hmm
05:49 PM JT-Shop: link?
05:49 PM roycroft: https://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/pdf/LinuxCNC_Getting_Started.pdf
05:49 PM XXCoder: if i recall right, freenode now requires registation, which means more hassle for people seeking help, and most arent there anymore
05:49 PM roycroft: section 1.3.1
05:49 PM JT-Shop: ah I can fix that
05:50 PM JT-Shop: can you put two 1/4" holes near each long end in the middle for fixture holes?
05:50 PM roycroft: sure
05:50 PM roycroft: i assume that you don't need the dimensions
05:50 PM JT-Shop: I can drill them and use them to mount to a chuck of 6016 then machine all the rest
05:51 PM roycroft: the drawing is fine as it is
05:51 PM JT-Shop: no just the drawing a bit shorter on the motor end :)
05:51 PM roycroft: but i dimensioned from the left side, so if you chop a little off the left the dimensions won't work
05:51 PM roycroft: i can do that
05:51 PM roycroft: otherwise it's fine - i made a template and took it out to the shop, and no changes are needed
05:51 PM roycroft: where do you want the fixture holes?
05:52 PM roycroft: in the middle of the short side, 1/2" in from the ends?
05:52 PM JT-Shop: center on the 5" and yep 1/2 from the end
05:52 PM roycroft: ok
05:52 PM roycroft: i can do that now
05:52 PM roycroft: but i need to know two things:
05:52 PM roycroft: 1. how much?
05:52 PM roycroft: 2. how long?
05:52 PM roycroft: :)
05:53 PM JT-Shop: less than a million and a year :)\
05:53 PM JT-Shop: cheap and fast
05:53 PM JT-Shop: $40
05:53 PM JT-Shop: plus shipping
05:53 PM roycroft: i'm probably a week out on the vfd, and almost as long on the pulleys
05:54 PM roycroft: and i still need to bore and broach the pulleys
05:54 PM roycroft: and i think i need to order a broach
05:54 PM roycroft: $40 is pretty cheap
05:54 PM roycroft: so that's perfectly fine
05:54 PM JT-Shop: aye, I'm not in it for the money any more
05:54 PM roycroft: so what do i need to chop off the left side? 1/8"?
05:54 PM roycroft: or do you need more
05:55 PM JT-Shop: 1/4" looks like you have that much room
05:55 PM roycroft: ok
05:55 PM JT-Shop: that way I can just drill the two holes and mount then finish
05:55 PM roycroft: i'm going to nuke the whole dimension layer, since all that will change anyway
05:56 PM JT-Shop: ok
05:56 PM JT-Shop: chow time here
05:57 PM JT-Shop: lol neighbor can
05:57 PM JT-Shop: 't get her tractor to move...
05:58 PM JT-Shop: I had to put the pto in neutral for her so she could start it, now I think the high/low lever is in neutral
06:01 PM roycroft: do you need any particular dfx format?
06:01 PM roycroft: i can do acad 2007, acad 2004, acad 2002, or acad r12
06:02 PM XXCoder: dxf or some format i dont know of?
06:02 PM roycroft: dxf
06:03 PM roycroft: i'm somewhat dyslexic, as i'm sure you've noticed before
06:08 PM XXCoder: not really
06:09 PM roycroft: it's more dysgraphia than dyslexia
06:09 PM roycroft: and it's the big reason i'm sometimes slow when designing parts, especially 3d parts
06:10 PM roycroft: my brain spatially flips position of things sometimes
06:10 PM roycroft: so something that should go on the left side my brain puts on the right side
06:10 PM XXCoder: interesting
06:11 PM roycroft: and it causes me to flip adjacent letters when writing/typing
06:11 PM roycroft: i don't really have problems reading though
06:11 PM roycroft: which is why is say it's more dysgraphia
06:15 PM XXCoder: ok
06:27 PM XXCoder: "make it extreme" channel "making a simple dining table"
06:27 PM XXCoder: ummm
06:27 PM XXCoder: probably made in extreme way
06:27 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/TlbrJ-jHEmU
06:27 PM XXCoder: note just started watching, no spoilers
06:37 PM XXCoder: uh
06:37 PM XXCoder: they certainly made it extreme
06:45 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/rotary/mount/Rotary_mount5.jpg
06:45 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/rotary/mount/Rotary_mount7.jpg
06:45 PM XXCoder: nicely done
06:53 PM roycroft: i have a dinner engagement in a few minutes
06:53 PM roycroft: if jt comes back, someone please ask him to check his email
06:53 PM Tom_L: if he does i'm sure he'll read that
06:53 PM roycroft: yes, unless there is excessive scrollage in the meantime
06:54 PM roycroft: this is a bad day for me to leave early like this
06:54 PM roycroft: i have a dozen parcels arriving today - from fedex, ups, and usps - and none have yet arrived
06:54 PM roycroft: if i'm lucky there will be a pile of boxes in front of my door when i get home
06:55 PM roycroft: if i'm not lucky there will have been a pile of boxes in front of my door when i get home
06:56 PM Tom_L: or a happy thief
06:56 PM roycroft: i'm not sure the thief would be happy
06:57 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmx82hpJCMs
06:57 PM roycroft: how many people, outside this community here, take joy in having things like din mount circuit breakers and stainless steel fasteners?
07:00 PM roycroft: people seem to like to steal amazon boxes, and none of the parcels coming today are from amazon, so i might be ok
07:23 PM tiwake[m]: what are good open source CAM options these days?
07:23 PM XXCoder: good question
07:23 PM XXCoder: freecad certainly has cam, but good?
07:30 PM tiwake[m]: oh it has a CAM plugin now?
07:30 PM XXCoder: it have it for while now
07:31 PM XXCoder: Path workspace
07:31 PM tiwake[m]: interesting
07:31 PM XXCoder: unfortunate that ich died before he finished simulation for cnc there
07:34 PM tiwake[m]: I got a little tabletop CNC mill
07:34 PM XXCoder: nice
07:34 PM tiwake[m]: getting some endmills for it
07:35 PM tiwake[m]: won't have time to dink with it till the weekend
07:38 PM tiwake[m]: https://www.woodcraft.com/products/boxzy-make-black-anodized is what I got
07:38 PM XXCoder: weird combo
07:39 PM XXCoder: 3d printer and cnc mill
07:39 PM tiwake[m]: laser it came with is only 1.5 watts 445nm
07:39 PM tiwake[m]: good enough to pop balloons
07:39 PM XXCoder: is spring bed removable for cnbc milling?
07:40 PM tiwake[m]: iunno
07:40 PM tiwake[m]: I haven't looked at it too much
07:40 PM XXCoder: ok
07:40 PM tiwake[m]: coworker used it once on wood
07:40 PM XXCoder: did you get it for cheap?
07:41 PM tiwake[m]: reasonably
07:41 PM tiwake[m]: has ballscrews, which is nice
07:44 PM tiwake[m]: what kind of engraving tool should I get?
07:45 PM Tom_L: 60deg carbide tips
07:45 PM XXCoder: also get sharp ones, which is cool for certain engraving uses
07:45 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/153350698156?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item23b469f4ac:g:GdAAAOSwpDdU2zzV&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACoPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsStEKTPzZMfQmny3knR97t0MVHkA7N%252BRmL8L1YUIK0cONUVgK8ye3uwiCpFlJF3QuCxbKZd6Dyllb%252B15ApAc0p%252F4cObekNZ4Ut%252FyKVD%252BitBkPVt%252FmX8eJ1l%252Ff8I0MHqBxaFOsyOu2yd%252BjvA%252BqLSvu6uLJRbygIELnscLMQd5E%252F8WIAZ65P5XzSJwb24kzIeGbVaBw2sAyPkpcmzwRU9GW%252B0kVAEtgMXfZpEgTv0YUkoBFQ
07:45 PM Tom_L: 8Cnr8fJcxFR%252FJndu%252BNpAGPw6LuqMxlDTaB8ZuSFu42%252FeehfRVgqCnwOSAVDFN44E%252BhcXIC14wilD5ks46EBlP4sa%252F5ETHqmZbraQ50qm6kFozW%252BzS0962iMTbEfjWhRo6akIRjMozzN9cIu4snxwakDY2KohZ85c8W2Ytw%252BELL8vyB2Y5ZAg1%252BZUPco%252FkmLgeoBZH8RY8nHf3NIYUNRPm60YS%252BvLtsfBnN2wZCNrOfBCdfy2RNgi1W68NC%252FpKQjw34bkD6R5v1DuMKhJ8UfQOio%252BuM2TwYcYPMf7ppKHqtPm2JJ2catvh%252FwSZR6bpHO%252F7SinSy1hdULSIAatFLuhWtnUpHGEkQG56%252Fd6gpX%252FOVbiDNolW7AQOz9032gvw
07:45 PM XXCoder: theres ones thats say 20 or 30 degree
07:45 PM Tom_L: uijmc1RKWupT1aYG8zILz0J6IvnCNw7mU5S16Ps1hWP%252FKxVsHnNrl3olLVe8zkrGdGpw0YOnMYggb00Ei1DFu8AXd5tIu%252BK5HSgley9Px5SD6s4X3J2VQQ61g7xx7%252BJtkYkYvxy9yakBJUMtggTepxVOockNQ79xEVqrASar6o6FCAN3rSVneHoDShsBsWTIbVRAh%252FGmQNrJV%252FMjvoOqDhqojpzO7IfEOtrm1xrJl%252Focg%253D%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524
07:46 PM Tom_L: holy crap
07:46 PM XXCoder: link bomb lol
07:46 PM XXCoder: link works
07:46 PM tiwake[m]: https://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Miniature-End-Mills-2-Flute-Square-End/c78_79_188_189/p1456/.030-dia-2-flute-sqr-Miniature-Carbide-Finisher-.090-L.O.C/product_info.html
07:46 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/153350698156
07:46 PM Tom_L: all that just for that
07:46 PM XXCoder: https://www.ebay.com/itm/151037967745
07:46 PM XXCoder: 10 degree one
07:47 PM Tom_L: i bet those would tend to break too easy
07:47 PM XXCoder: warning, it can cut into your finger without effort
07:47 PM XXCoder: ask me how I know
07:47 PM tiwake[m]: kek
07:47 PM XXCoder: tom depends, but wood it shouldnt be a problem if you use less sharp ones as clearing out wood
07:49 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant1.jpg
07:49 PM Tom_L: i did that with one
07:49 PM tiwake[m]: I think I'll get one of these miniture endmills from maritool and just use it for engraving
07:50 PM XXCoder: oh yeah
07:50 PM XXCoder: f-engrave
07:50 PM XXCoder: look into that ti
07:50 PM XXCoder: its focused on engraving, if I recall right its pretty good too
07:50 PM XXCoder: open source
07:52 PM unterhaus_: I got burned posting an ebay link last week
07:52 PM XXCoder: thats still better than entire encoded png rather than just url to image i posted once
07:53 PM XXCoder: it was large picture too, so i had to close my irc client to shut it up
07:53 PM XXCoder: just glad hexchat is designed to post few times a second
07:59 PM tiwake[m]: enh
07:59 PM tiwake[m]: I'm just going to get a 1/16 ball endmill
07:59 PM tiwake[m]: maritool does not make engraving specific things it seems
07:59 PM XXCoder: that would work too
07:59 PM XXCoder: keep in mind tightest radius it can do is 1/16
08:00 PM XXCoder: if making inlays you need to keep that in mind when designing
08:01 PM tiwake[m]: not if I go less than the full radius
08:02 PM XXCoder: yeah
08:02 PM XXCoder: ugh wish I have room for cnc router
08:02 PM XXCoder: i have one, but no room :(
08:03 PM tiwake[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qvJgCoa6mY
08:04 PM XXCoder: i used to use a lot of ball endmill
08:04 PM XXCoder: 10 to 12 a day lol old job
08:04 PM XXCoder: inocel is a mean metal
08:04 PM tiwake[m]: made some stuff with it
08:05 PM tiwake[m]: normal inserts don't like it, but all that was around
08:05 PM XXCoder: i still have a lot of "dead" ball ends I took from work (they was ok with useless tools)
08:05 PM XXCoder: very small ones
08:05 PM XXCoder: planned to use em for engraving stuff lol
09:46 PM roycroft: all my parcels were here when i returned, so life is good
09:47 PM Tom_L: yay
09:48 PM roycroft: i've had mail stolen several times, so the concern was legitimate