#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 06 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:02 AM Deejay: moin
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05:13 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:54 AM CloudEvil: hey
06:58 AM JT-Cave: odd Coop Uno says sunrise is 7:00AM and Coop Deux says sunrise is 7:02AM
06:59 AM XXCoder: not really
06:59 AM XXCoder: it depends on height of horzon
06:59 AM XXCoder: those locations may have differing height where sun comes up at
06:59 AM XXCoder: or maybe one is east of other at enough distance
07:00 AM JT-Cave: they are in my yard
07:00 AM JT-Cave: 50' apart
07:00 AM XXCoder: oh weird
07:00 AM XXCoder: it dont use light sensor right?
07:01 AM JT-Cave: no, it's python and the astral information is updated each morning at 12:05AM
07:01 AM XXCoder: 2 minutes sound like a day off error on one
07:02 AM JT-Cave: yeah, usually they agree
07:03 AM JT-Cave: they both report the exact same time and date
07:13 AM JT-Cave: we will see in two minutes if they both open the doors and turn the lights on at the same time
07:13 AM JT-Cave: in that case the web page is broken
07:28 AM JT-Cave: both doors opened at the same time so the web page for Coop Uno is not working correctly
07:29 AM JT-Cave: https://i.ibb.co/7GL5pMj/Screenshot-at-2021-10-06-07-14-00.png
07:29 AM JT-Cave: I updated it to show the seconds
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07:35 AM CloudEvil: Could it be air/no air calculation?
07:36 AM CloudEvil: 60s+ is probably too great for that though
07:44 AM Tom_L: i call foul play
09:49 AM enleth: Tom_L: wouldn't that be... fowl play?
10:09 AM JT-Cave: could be one of the Cinnamon Queen's gained access to the touch screen in their coop and ssh into the other coop and caused firefox to use old cache... that would be fowl play
10:10 AM CloudEvil: Now I am wondering if modern touchscreens would work with beaks.
10:10 AM CloudEvil: I guess they probably would.
10:11 AM CloudEvil: Annoyingly, google for 'chicken using touchscreen' is unhelpful
10:21 AM Eric_ is now known as unterhausen
10:21 AM unterhausen: I feel like a chicken beak lacks enough capacitance to work with a touch screen
10:26 AM CloudEvil: It is quite a vascular structure.
10:26 AM CloudEvil: Also, tongue.
10:31 AM roguish[m]1: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/43846-touch-screen-survey
10:31 AM roguish[m]1: could be for chickens too.
11:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/29/new-zealand-kea-can-use-touchscreens-but-cant-distinguish-between-real-and-virtual-worlds
11:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: beaks and fingernails are both made of keratin
11:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: if it works with one it works with the other, or if they don't work
11:09 AM Loetmichel: Fingernails dont trigger capacitive touchscreens though
11:09 AM Loetmichel: but the tongue should work
11:09 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ29Mx5blDg
11:10 AM Loetmichel: and for the virtual workds: well. a sophisticated enough VR enviroment is sometimes hard to discern for a human...
11:11 AM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight[m]: thats neither a resistive nor capacitive screen
11:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: in the study where they used cap touch they had to "the researchers smeared peanut butter on the devices and trained the kea to activate the screens by licking them"
11:11 AM Loetmichel: thats an IR beam grid in front of the screen
11:11 AM Loetmichel: you can see the receivers on the far side between frame and panel
11:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: uh huh
11:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: so we agree
11:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: English is funny sometimes
11:13 AM Loetmichel: it is, but what are you are getting at here?
11:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: it got lost in translation
11:15 AM Loetmichel: oh, you mean the grammar with the unspecified "them" at the end?
11:15 AM Loetmichel: thats totally "legal" in german, so yes, thats lost in translation.
11:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Buchstaben Battle is on right now
11:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Sat.1
11:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the streaming service is about 60-120 seconds behind live TV
11:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: seems that sports betting could take advantage of this
11:21 AM roycroft: german is the most suspenseful language on the planet
11:21 AM roycroft: english is rather boring in that respect, which is why we have to spice the language up with so many loan words from other languages
11:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: IwishthatEnglishwouldhavemorecompoundwordslikeGerman
11:23 AM * Loetmichel has fumed all day today because of the local powder coating guy. Got two prototype enclosures for monitors back today morning. One of them the coater managed to pull off a few cover tapes before coating, resulting in four hours extra work, the other he used gloss powder instead of satin. 100% failure rate. And at least a wasted day, maybe more, depending on how long he takes to
11:23 AM * Loetmichel repowder the second one. *grmbl*
11:24 AM CaptHindsight[m]: well at least the powder they use is good
11:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: or it would have not taken you as long to remove it
11:25 AM Loetmichel: indeed
11:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: gloss can become satin with some abrasive rubbing
11:26 AM Loetmichel: not for an "approval prototype"
11:26 AM Loetmichel: that HAS to be "perfect"
11:28 AM Loetmichel: there are days at my company that i feel like Don Quixote and his windmills.
11:30 AM CaptHindsight[m]: talk your Arbeitfuhrer about getting a power oven
11:31 AM Loetmichel: i AM the Production manager. And boss is a cheapskate. Took me six years to talk him into the $2000 "invest" for a second CNC 6040... no chance.
11:32 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i recall how fun your boss is
11:32 AM CaptHindsight[m]: he didn't get rich by spending money
11:33 AM Loetmichel: yep, that kind of guy.
11:39 AM CaptHindsight[m]: http://frankieflood.blogspot.com/2015/05/laser-cured-powder-coat-on-acrylic.html
11:40 AM CaptHindsight[m]: a smooth gloss would be a challenge unless you reflow in an oven
12:20 PM captain_morgan: neat
12:52 PM unterhausen: question seen in r/lasercutting: "why can't I see the laser cutter's beam" ans: can you see anything?
01:11 PM Loetmichel: unterhausen: sign in the laser lab: "protect your remaining eye!"
01:11 PM Loetmichel: and from experience: you may not see a 40W CO2 laser... but you can feel it instantly.
01:12 PM Loetmichel: (note to self: pressing the "test" button on the laser cutter while having a finger in the beam path: bad idea!") :D
01:13 PM roycroft: anyone who asks that question should not be allowed in the same building as a laser
01:15 PM Loetmichel: well, at least not a chinese one with omitted safety switches.
01:23 PM unterhausen: I hate being in the same room as a laser
01:26 PM Loetmichel: unterhausen: nah, its not so bad. the only time i was slightly cringing when a friend made his own 80W Co2 laser cutter... without ANY covering of the tube or the beam.
01:27 PM Loetmichel: ... and no laser glasses either
01:27 PM unterhausen: laser cutters aren't bad, but as you say the improvised ones are scary
01:27 PM Loetmichel: Luckily normal acrylic glass is nearly a 100% absorbing at 1080nm, so my normal glasses help :)
01:28 PM Loetmichel: its funny though when you see the laser tube glow with each cut and occasionally see some dust mote flash up in the middle of the air.
01:50 PM roycroft: life is becoming increasingly difficult for one without text messaging ability
01:51 PM roycroft: but the upside is that it is very entertaining to blow people's minds when they are informed that text messaging is not an option, and that they need to find another way to communicate
01:54 PM roycroft: the person i was just talking to said "i understand you don't have a cell phone. that's ok, i'll just send a text message to your land line"
01:55 PM roycroft: when informed that that would not work, she said "i'll find another way to contact you. let me look this up in the book - land line, land line [long pause] i think i'm going to have to connect you to a supervisor, because i cannot find 'land line' in the book"
01:55 PM roycroft: i wonder what she would have said if i told her i only had a pots line
02:04 PM * Tom_L gives roycroft 2 tin cans and some string
02:13 PM FinboySlick: roycroft: "And in my dat the cell phone was the phone you used to cal your dad so he'd come get you at the police station."
02:13 PM FinboySlick: *day
03:05 PM * roycroft sells the tin cans on ebay, as they haven't been made of tin in close to 100 years, and are now "collectable"
03:27 PM roycroft: i just got another typical customer complaint of the type i hate getting the most
03:28 PM roycroft: "people are telling me they can't send me emails"
03:28 PM FinboySlick: Let me guess: Mailbox full.
03:28 PM roycroft: "i'll be happy to look into it- i need to know who is sending you messages that are not arriving, the date and approximate time they sent the messages, and what error message they get"
03:29 PM roycroft: "i don't know all that stuff - just find out why their emails aren't arriving and fix it"
03:29 PM roycroft: the guy does have ~8GB in his inbox
03:29 PM roycroft: but we don't have a quota on it
03:29 PM roycroft: he complains that this inbox is too slow to load
03:29 PM roycroft: i tell him to clean it out
03:30 PM roycroft: he complains that when he drags messages to the trash he can't access them any more
03:30 PM roycroft: i tell him to configure his trash to empty after a week, not immediately
03:30 PM FinboySlick: Use the car mechanic technique: Well, if you don't have time to get us the information, we'll have to borrow your car for a few days and try it until we can find the problem.
03:30 PM FinboySlick: And change his password for a week while you 'diagnose'.
03:34 PM roycroft: i told him if he can't provide that information i'm unable to help him, although more than willing if i could
03:35 PM roycroft: and he should tell his senders to talk to their isp about why it's not getting through
03:35 PM roycroft: he did not like that
03:35 PM roycroft: and asked what he's paying us money for
03:35 PM roycroft: i referred him to my boss at that point
03:36 PM FinboySlick: I did that kind of work for years, I'm quite familiar with it. Incidently, email account support was my favourite type of issue to solve.
03:36 PM FinboySlick: I mean quite familiar with the feeling.
03:37 PM FinboySlick: I seemed to have a knack for convince people who didn't want to help themselves though. So I got it relatively easy.
03:38 PM FinboySlick: *convincing. Darn, can't type today.
03:55 PM roycroft: i do my best to help
03:56 PM roycroft: but if you say to me "hey, my friend said he's coming over, but then told me he couldn't find my place - what is wrong?" all i can respond is "i have a camera set up at the end of your driveway, and after reviewing the video for the past week i never saw him drive by, so i don't know where he went"
03:57 PM roycroft: people don't get that email works the same way
03:57 PM andypugh: It sounds less creepy in the case of email.
03:58 PM roycroft: i suppose
03:58 PM roycroft: but it's the same thing
03:58 PM FinboySlick: But it is more creepy because the camera sees all those 'billing@hotboobs.com" emails.
03:58 PM roycroft: of course, in this case i have no idea what the friend looks like or when he attempted to find the house
03:58 PM roycroft: but i'm still expected to know why he never showed up
03:59 PM andypugh: I gave up on the forum. I was 19 pages behind and didn’t have two full days to dedicate to catching up.
03:59 PM andypugh: So I marked all-read.
03:59 PM roycroft: a good plan, right after holidays
03:59 PM andypugh: Time to see if I can keep up now.
04:00 PM roycroft: i need a bell housing like motor mount for my new mill motor
04:00 PM andypugh: Well, it used to be easy when I worked in the office and had a lunch-break to fill.
04:00 PM roycroft: that's not going to be easy to make without the mill
04:00 PM FinboySlick: andypugh: But what about all the youtubes you have to make about the cool stuff you're building?
04:00 PM * FinboySlick avid subscriber.
04:01 PM andypugh: I am working on something.
04:01 PM roycroft: i can probably make most of it on the lathe
04:02 PM roycroft: not having a mill to make parts for the mill really cramps my style though
04:02 PM andypugh: roycroft: 3D-print it, then give it to a foundry to cast in iron, then finish on the lathe.
04:02 PM FinboySlick: And I'm mostly just teasing, I can imagine how much of a timesink youtube production must be, andypugh.
04:02 PM roycroft: i'd actually like a casting, but i would not like the cost, i'm sure
04:02 PM roycroft: nor the lead time
04:02 PM andypugh: I actually have enough subscribers and view hours to start making money.
04:02 PM andypugh: Castings are cheap. I pay £10 / kg
04:02 PM roycroft: there's no money to be made directly on youtube any more
04:03 PM andypugh: That’s for one-offs too.
04:03 PM roycroft: youtube keep too much of it
04:03 PM roycroft: however, the new model is to build a subscriber base on youtube, then send them all to your patreon account
04:03 PM roycroft: that's where the money is now
04:03 PM andypugh: Well, when I say “making money” I mean making 52p for 30 hours of work :-)
04:03 PM FinboySlick: andypugh: Wow, wish I had access to that sort of pricing.
04:04 PM andypugh: It’s not a special deal that’s what AJD charges.
04:04 PM FinboySlick: I meant for the casting.
04:04 PM roycroft: i was just mentioning the other day that clickspring has over 3900 patrons now
04:04 PM andypugh: https://ajd-foundries.business.site
04:04 PM roycroft: if they were all at $1/month (and many of them contribute more), and if patreon keeps half the revenue, that's still $24,000/year he would get from patreon
04:04 PM FinboySlick: Though even if I did, I'm pretty sure shipping would kill me.
04:05 PM andypugh: That may be how he can suddenly afford a stright line engine and a rose engine.
04:05 PM roycroft: yes, he has acquired some biggish new toys of late
04:05 PM roycroft: and i'm sure patreon helped with that a lot
04:06 PM FinboySlick: Well, with his kind of production quality, he certainly earns it.
04:07 PM roycroft: yes, he's well-deserving
04:07 PM roycroft: he spent years building up his subscriber base by producing high quality, interesting videos
04:07 PM roycroft: now he's reaping the rewards
04:08 PM andypugh: Ditto Project Binky. Their stuff could go straight to TV.
04:08 PM FinboySlick: I miss Tony too. Hope his situation soon lends itself to more videos.
04:08 PM andypugh: (and I will say the same for Tom Scott, in a different part of YouTube)
04:09 PM FinboySlick: Well, despite all the horrible stuff, one has to admit that we live in fantastic times.
04:09 PM roycroft: mr carlson has 8300+ patrons now
04:10 PM roycroft: he's kind of a creepy guy, but he makes good electronics videos
04:11 PM FinboySlick: Electroboom is a childish, guilty pleasure for me.
04:11 PM roycroft: tom scott the jazz musician?
04:12 PM * roycroft is showing his age and his whiteness
04:12 PM andypugh: roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/c/TomScottGo (he makes short documentaries)
04:13 PM roycroft: oh, i'd never heard of that tom scott
04:13 PM FinboySlick: Yeah, I like him.
04:13 PM roycroft: his channel looks interesting - i'll check out his videos when i have a chance
04:14 PM andypugh: He also does some game shows. Like celebrity game shows, but with non-celebs. And, actually, they are just as good. Example: https://youtu.be/Q3KT-OOg9y0
04:14 PM FinboySlick: Best documentaries are ZeFrank1's. Not the most educational but still. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP8BUWr4AT4
04:15 PM andypugh: Oh, yes, I love ZeFrank.
04:21 PM CloudEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
04:21 PM CloudEvil: Lifting a large Z axis.
04:22 PM CloudEvil: I think the SpaceX tower ends up with at least 6 axis. To cope with a 200 ton load landing on it at 100-50m in the air
04:33 PM JT-Shop: today was one of those days where you accomplish nothing work wise
04:33 PM JT-Shop: had a tire on the van start to toss the belt so limp back to the barn and take the tire off and go used tire shopping
04:34 PM JT-Shop: changing that tire fixed the thumping as I drove and the pulsing in the brakes as I stopped, I still have a tiny bit of pulsing so maybe another tire is about to go
04:35 PM JT-Shop: I wish the van would just go...
04:35 PM roycroft: i cannot find a commercial bell housing that would work
04:35 PM roycroft: they're all too long
04:35 PM roycroft: jt-shop: i give the label printer a thumbs up
04:36 PM roycroft: roycroft.us/EpsonLabels.jpeg
04:36 PM JT-Shop: awesome
04:36 PM roycroft: some samples i made when i got the printer set up yesterday
04:36 PM JT-Shop: bell housing for?
04:37 PM roycroft: for mounting the new motor on my milling machine
04:37 PM JT-Shop: ah
04:37 PM JT-Shop: those look real nice and sharp
04:37 PM roycroft: those labels are not trimmed - they actually are cut that short
04:37 PM roycroft: the machine rewinds the excess tape/tubing/whatever after it cuts off the end of the label
04:38 PM roycroft: that is the feature that sold me on the epson
04:38 PM JT-Shop: yeah I remember that... saves a ton on tube and tape
04:38 PM roycroft: i'll easily save 50% on shrink tubing cost
04:38 PM roycroft: if i printed those on a brother they would be 2" longer
04:38 PM roycroft: much longer than the printed area
04:38 PM JT-Shop: does the shrink tubing have a pretty good shrink ratio?
04:39 PM roycroft: yes
04:39 PM roycroft: the top two wires are 18ga, with the 1/8" shrink tubing
04:39 PM roycroft: it's for awg 14-22
04:39 PM roycroft: i haven't tried any 22ga yet
04:39 PM JT-Shop: that's a big range
04:39 PM roycroft: yes
04:39 PM JT-Shop: I use mostly 22ga for control wiring
04:39 PM roycroft: it's pretty tight on the 18ga though
04:40 PM roycroft: i'll try some 22ga later on
04:40 PM roycroft: i have a meeting right after work, so it will probably be tomorrow
04:40 PM roycroft: but i think it will likely work well
04:40 PM roycroft: and yes, the print is pretty sharp
04:41 PM JT-Shop: I'm impressed with the print quality
04:41 PM roycroft: the difference between the 700 and the 900, besides the 1-1/2" tape that the 900 can take, is that the 700 is 160dpi and the 900 is 320dpi
04:41 PM roycroft: it even looks good before it's shrunk
04:41 PM roycroft: and that's just the normal font - not bold
04:41 PM roycroft: it looks bolder because of the shrinkage
04:42 PM roycroft: i don't know if you saw yesterday, but i ordered the bare-bones printer - just the printer and ac adapter - and they sent me the deluxe kit instead
04:42 PM JT-Shop: yes I saw that
04:42 PM roycroft: i'm not unhappy about that at all
04:43 PM JT-Shop: I bet
04:43 PM roycroft: i haven't tried the desktop app yet, but i can do pretty much everything i want to do right on the printer
04:43 PM roycroft: with one big exception - there is no phase symbol on the printer
04:44 PM roycroft: and i like to label extension/power cords 1ph or 3ph
04:44 PM roycroft: but i can download symbols onto the printer and store them, so hopefully the desktop software will let me do that
04:45 PM roycroft: and yeah, i can always type "1ph" or "3~" on the label
04:45 PM roycroft: but i like the proper phase symbol - the circle with the slash
04:46 PM roycroft: my verdict is that it's well worth the money even if i can't use the desktop app
04:46 PM roycroft: and if i can, all the better
04:47 PM roycroft: the shrink tubing, while somewhat stiff after being shrunk, is not terribly stiff
04:47 PM roycroft: it remains more flexible than most that i've used
04:47 PM roycroft: inside a panel that's not an issue, of course
04:47 PM roycroft: but on power/extension cords it can be
04:50 PM roycroft: i have a couple minutes while some software is installing - i'll see if i can find a little piece of 22ga and test it now
04:50 PM JT-Shop: ok
04:54 PM JT-Shop: did you figure out what the mystery buttons are?
04:59 PM roycroft: yeah, they're for pre-set formats like labeling patch panels
05:00 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:07 PM roycroft: roycroft.us/22ga.jpeg
05:07 PM roycroft: and sorry, i had changed to the roman font when i was playing with the machine yesterday and forgot to change it back to sans-serif
05:08 PM roycroft: and that's my only disappointment with the printer so far - it only has two built-in fonts, while my brother printers have many more than that
05:09 PM roycroft: but i'll use the sans-serif font 90+ percent of the time, unless i use news gothic, which i like better because it's more compact and still legible
05:09 PM roycroft: and the desktop app should get me an other fonts i want
05:10 PM JT-Shop: have you tried the desktop app?
05:10 PM roycroft: no
05:10 PM roycroft: i haven't had a chance
05:10 PM roycroft: and the app for macos is the 'lite' version
05:10 PM roycroft: the windows version is more capable
05:10 PM roycroft: the linux version does not exist
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05:13 PM JT-Shop: I have to have some windblows pcs for PLC and CAD, CAM work
05:13 PM roycroft: yeah, i can deal with windows if i have to
05:13 PM roycroft: if the mac app is too lacking, i'll try the windows app
05:13 PM roycroft: i just don't like having to fire up a vm to talk to an appliance
05:15 PM roycroft: you can do things like sequential numbering right on the printer
05:15 PM roycroft: and it has a nice feature where it can do half-cuts
05:16 PM roycroft: so you can print a string of labels/shrink tubes and have them all stick together as they come out of the printer, but you can easily tear off one at a time
05:19 PM JT-Shop: that's pretty cool feature
05:28 PM roycroft: yes, i'm sure i'll find it useful
05:28 PM roycroft: and i've tried it with the shrink tubing - it works great
05:28 PM roycroft: i've read that it doesn't print long strips well unless it's vertical, but with the magnet mounts it's pretty easy to mount it vertical
05:33 PM JT-Shop: hmm they have a 20% off special running on the 700
05:33 PM JT-Shop: well no it's for other things
05:34 PM roycroft: it's for everything you order
05:35 PM roycroft: so get plenty of tape/tubing cartridges
05:35 PM roycroft: with the 20% off it's cheaper than on amazon
05:35 PM roycroft: and if you don't think you need the deluxe kit, order the basic model and see what shows up
05:35 PM roycroft: you may get lucky
05:37 PM JT-Shop: looks like the 900 only has two built in fonts
05:38 PM roycroft: other than the tape size and resolution, i don't see that it's any different than the 700
05:38 PM roycroft: well, except for being 2x as expensive
05:39 PM roycroft: if you work primarily in your shop, you might look at some of the other models
05:39 PM roycroft: the desktop models can take bulk tape/tubing, which is 30% less expensive than the little cartridges
05:40 PM roycroft: i guess a third "if" is needed - if you print a lot of labels
05:40 PM JT-Shop: normally I'm in my shop but when I do in situ retrofits I'm at the customers
05:41 PM JT-Shop: so lately it's been 50/50 shop/customers place
05:41 PM roycroft: since there is vitually no waste with the epson printer, i don't consider the standard cartridges to be too expensive
05:41 PM roycroft: i know there are folks here who will scoff and claim that cheap shrink tubing and a sharpie are good enough
05:41 PM roycroft: but i don't mind spending a little money to make things look clean and professional
05:42 PM Tom_L: yeah if i did more i'd certainly be interested in one
05:43 PM roycroft: the thing is, the panduit ls8e that i've been using all these years goes for more used than the epson does new
05:43 PM roycroft: and i have a huge box of cartridges for it
05:44 PM roycroft: i might think about selling that
05:44 PM roycroft: i'd have to try the epson wrap-around labels first
05:44 PM Tom_L: why aren't you using it if you have all that stock?
05:44 PM roycroft: because the label stock is mostly large
05:44 PM Tom_L: oh
05:44 PM roycroft: i'm out of some of the smaller sizes
05:44 PM roycroft: and it only does wrap-around labels
05:44 PM roycroft: i usually put clear shrink tubing over wrap-around labels
05:45 PM roycroft: so i wanted to print directly on shrink tubing
05:45 PM roycroft: the panduit cartridges are really expensive too - like $35 and up
05:45 PM JT-Shop: yeah I'm out of smaller kroy heat shrink and they are out of business so new printer time
05:46 PM roycroft: well i'm fairly particular about these things, and so far i'm quite happy with the epson 700
05:46 PM roycroft: i've never used a kroy, or any other shrink tube printer, so i can't compare it to anything else
05:47 PM JT-Shop: the kroy wasted too much, at least the brother on labels can make a small label margin and only waste the front half
05:48 PM roycroft: wasting nothing is even better :)
05:48 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:49 PM roycroft: with my p-touch labelers i would often print long sequences as a single label and cut them apart to avoid waste
05:49 PM JT-Shop: yep me too
05:49 PM roycroft: but the user should not have to deal with that
05:49 PM roycroft: that's why we have machines
05:56 PM roycroft: some guy has been pestering me to sell one of my three letter .com domains, and just offered US$45,000 for it
05:57 PM roycroft: i told him the asking price is US$120,000
05:57 PM JT-Shop: holy crap
05:57 PM roycroft: it will be interesting to see how he responds to that
05:57 PM JT-Shop: letter.com?
05:57 PM XXCoder: 3 letter is almost impossible to get
05:57 PM XXCoder: like abc.com
05:57 PM JT-Shop: ah
05:57 PM roycroft: no it's not
05:57 PM roycroft: it *is* impossible to get
05:58 PM roycroft: even domains like qrw.com are taken
05:58 PM roycroft: pretty much every combination of three letters is registered
05:58 PM roycroft: a friend of mine used to own japan.com
05:59 PM roycroft: his wife is japanese, and he registered it in the wild west days of the internet
05:59 PM Tom_L: who has usa.com?
05:59 PM roycroft: he sold it and built a new house with the proceeds
05:59 PM Tom_L: that might be a big one
05:59 PM roycroft: looks like world media group in bedminster nj
05:59 PM JT-Shop: I'm glad I used Andy Griffith's eye test reply from No Time for Sargents
06:00 PM roycroft: i used to work for a telco/isp named rio.com
06:01 PM roycroft: they changed their name when they got a huge offer for the domain name
06:01 PM roycroft: that was after i left, but i heard that rio.com sold for over a quarter million dollars
06:05 PM JT-Shop: http://www.usa.com/missouri-state.htm
06:07 PM JT-Shop: a.com
06:08 PM roycroft: there are no valid single letter .com domains
06:08 PM roycroft: they're all reserved
06:08 PM CloudEvil: I thouth x.com was
06:08 PM JT-Shop: ab.com is allen bradley
06:08 PM roycroft: two letter .com domains are used though
06:08 PM XXCoder: x.com still is if i recall right
06:08 PM CloudEvil: Well, x.com is 'up'
06:08 PM roycroft: oh yeah, x.com is valid
06:08 PM XXCoder: x only has "x"
06:08 PM XXCoder: thats entire contents of site.
06:09 PM CloudEvil: :)
06:09 PM roycroft: a test domain, it appears
06:09 PM JT-Shop: chow time
06:09 PM XXCoder: x.org however is actual site
06:09 PM * CloudEvil has a four letter .com site.
06:09 PM roycroft: and actually, q.com is also valid
06:09 PM XXCoder: certain 4 letter word domain would be very valuable lol
06:09 PM roycroft: and actively in use
06:10 PM CloudEvil: Acquired by the simple tactic of setting auto-snipes on ebay for all 4 letter domains
06:10 PM roycroft: a good 4 letter .com domain is worth well into five figures
06:10 PM CloudEvil: I think I got it for $20
06:10 PM CloudEvil: It's not good
06:10 PM roycroft: then it may be worth your annual renewal fee
06:10 PM CloudEvil: It contains the letters vkqw
06:10 PM roycroft: with a latte thrown in if you're lucky
06:14 PM roycroft: the last 3 letter .com i sold went for $17,500
06:14 PM roycroft: that was about 10 years ago, and it wasn't a very good one
06:15 PM roycroft: the funny thing is, the folks who bought it were all excited about it, but i found the domain parked shortly thereafter, then it was htpasswd protected, and has been ever since
06:15 PM roycroft: their project must have fallen through
06:16 PM XXCoder: they probably can stull make profut
06:16 PM XXCoder: by selling that domain
06:16 PM roycroft: it's owned by someone in the cayamn islands now
06:17 PM roycroft: so whoever owns it is already rich
10:22 PM satiowadahc[m]: Evening! I just finished adding some random error pins to motion. I have a couple components that trigger an error that I want to disable the machine with... Was there an easier way than modifying motmod?
10:22 PM satiowadahc[m]: Aside from loading an extra spindle and using the amp fault in, and hope no one tried to activate said spindle?
10:28 PM W1N9Zr0: the standard way to do estop is through iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
10:29 PM satiowadahc[m]: The estop circuit connects to that, was looking for similar function but not needing a bunch of ands
10:32 PM W1N9Zr0: you could use a single logic component instead of a bunch of and gates, but and gates are easier to use
10:32 PM satiowadahc[m]: Fair enough.
10:33 PM satiowadahc[m]: The addition to motion gives motion.misc-error-[00 - 64] pins that work similarlily
10:33 PM satiowadahc[m]: I wonder if matrix supports markdown... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/0d75dec14babe9f8c818c159f51863fde01121e2)