#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 01 2021

01:28 AM lag- is now known as lag
01:42 AM rene-dev8 is now known as rene-dev
05:31 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:33 AM XXCoder: o/
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07:51 AM Eric__ is now known as unterhausen
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09:22 AM unterhausen: amazon lied to me about something being in stock.
09:23 AM unterhausen: canceling it is a pain in the butt
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12:40 PM enleth: unterhausen: so it's not in stock but you still have to cancel the order yourself?
12:40 PM unterhausen: they somehow snuck it by me that it was coming from a 3rd party
12:40 PM unterhausen: I swear that wasn't presented to me when I clicked "order"
12:41 PM unterhausen: It was $10, with shipping $27
12:41 PM roycroft: good thing it's out of stock then
12:41 PM enleth: it's still them who should be cancelling it, for whatever value of "them"
12:42 PM unterhausen: no, it switched to the 3rd party
12:42 PM roycroft: but honestly, they don't "sneak" that past you
12:42 PM roycroft: it's always there
12:42 PM unterhausen: it was one item out of many
12:42 PM roycroft: enleth: if it was an amazon product or fulfillment by amazon, they would cancel it themselves
12:42 PM roycroft: but amazon marketplace customers aren't always that good about that stuff
12:43 PM roycroft: amazon can't cancel an order by a third party automatically unless they're the ones dispatching it
12:43 PM unterhausen: It's quite possible I didn't notice, but they were talking about getting it to me by sunday
12:43 PM unterhausen: then when the email came it said in a week and a half
12:44 PM unterhausen: and amazon will only cancel in the first 30 minutes, using their clock
12:45 PM unterhausen: I wish there was a setting on my account, because I will never willingly order something that's shipped by a 3rd party
12:45 PM unterhausen: I will go direct sometimes
12:49 PM roycroft: i think you just need to pause before you hit the commit button and review the order details
12:49 PM roycroft: it's always there, honestly
12:49 PM roycroft: and don't drunk order
12:49 PM roycroft: and don't middle of the night order
12:50 PM roycroft: do it during the day when your mind is clear :)
12:50 PM unterhausen: yeah, probably. Bad things happen when I'm switching between options
12:51 PM unterhausen: I wish I was drunk, but I'm going to get a vaccine in an hour and they might not like it
12:52 PM * roycroft will be getting the booster jab in about 3 weeks, and will probably get his seasonal flu jab before then
12:52 PM unterhausen: I'm getting both today
12:52 PM unterhausen: hoping for a stronger immune reaction this time
12:53 PM roycroft: i was going to get both at the same time, but the clinic where i get the flu jab don't have the boosters, and the county health department, who have the drive-through boosters, don't do the seasonal flu
12:54 PM roycroft: i don't mind the jabs
12:54 PM roycroft: i just wish everyone would get them so that this thing can be over
12:55 PM roycroft: i wouldn't mind getting a booster every six months for the rest of my life if that's what it takes
12:55 PM roycroft: i don't think that will be necessary, but if it were, it would be a small sacrifice
12:57 PM roycroft: so i am looking for some heat sinks like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/311892001422 , but to mount my gecko drives on, so the pad needs to be bigger (63.5mm)
12:58 PM roycroft: any ideas on where to find them?
12:58 PM roycroft: some guy on ebay sells them for $32 each, but that's way to expensive
12:58 PM roycroft: they should cost half that at most
12:59 PM roycroft: i could probably buy some of the ssr heat sinks and make a mounting plate for the gecko drives that screws onto them
12:59 PM roycroft: but it would be better to just get bigger heat sinks to begin with
12:59 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/heatsink1.jpg
01:00 PM Tom_L: i mounted mine to the back of that
01:00 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/heatsink_bulk.jpg
01:00 PM Tom_L: found a nice 6' piece at the salvage
01:01 PM roycroft: i've thought about doing something like that
01:01 PM roycroft: i'd cut the fins off the ends to make flanges, and mount the heat sink with the fins sticking out of the enclosure
01:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Control1.jpg
01:01 PM Tom_L: mounted to the door
01:01 PM Tom_L: the fan is right behind it on the side
01:02 PM roycroft: gecko sell a nice heat sink, but it only holds three of their drivers, and i'll be using four
01:02 PM Tom_L: mmm
01:02 PM roycroft: theirs is also really expensive
01:02 PM roycroft: i'll use the type you have if i can't find what i want, probably
01:02 PM roycroft: but i would prefer to find what i want :)
01:03 PM Tom_L: i just (almost literally) tripped over it at the salvage
01:03 PM roguish[m]1: got to your local computer junk yard and get some cpu coolers
01:03 PM roycroft: i have some cpu heat sinks
01:04 PM roycroft: the problem with them is that they're about the same sizes as the drives
01:04 PM roycroft: and the drives have to mount to something, which would be the heat sink
01:04 PM roguish[m]1: chop 'em down, or double 'em up...............
01:04 PM roycroft: a cpu heat sink doesn't have a mechanism to mount it to a chassis
01:04 PM unterhausen: I sold some from my robot "bigger than your head" heatsinks
01:05 PM roycroft: maybe i'll do what the ebay guy does
01:05 PM unterhausen: the funny thing about those was there was nothing hot connected to them. The unfunny part was they were glued to a piece of metal
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01:06 PM roycroft: i just checked his listing - he uses two of those ssr heatsinks and screws them to a mounting plate
01:06 PM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/254784704293
01:06 PM roycroft: and his hold two drivers, so the price really isn't too bad, considering that
01:06 PM roguish[m]1: mass for conductive, area for convective
01:06 PM roycroft: but i can still make them for less than that
01:07 PM roycroft: what he did is exactly what i was thinking of doing, except my initial thought was to make them individually, not paired up like that
01:10 PM roycroft: i can get those heat sinks for $2.62 each
01:12 PM Tom_L: that doesn't look like a bad idea
01:12 PM Tom_L: just make a mounting plate
01:14 PM Tom_L: i might use flush mount screws though
01:14 PM Tom_L: \ /
01:15 PM roycroft: i just ordered four of them
01:15 PM Tom_L: wonder how thick his plate is
01:15 PM roycroft: i hope i have enough thermal conductive paste
01:15 PM Tom_L: maybe .250"
01:15 PM roycroft: i have a big piece of 3/8" aluminium
01:15 PM roycroft: i'll probably cut the plates out of that
01:15 PM roycroft: 1/4" would be fine
01:15 PM Tom_L: that's probably enough heatsink in itself
01:15 PM roycroft: probably
01:16 PM Tom_L: unless you're driving them to the full 7A i doubt they get above warm
01:16 PM roycroft: and i'm not one to seriously overbuild, generally, but when it comes to keeping things cool i do like to overbuild a bit
01:16 PM roycroft: they say that a heat sink is required for >3a
01:16 PM Tom_L: i'm running mine i think at ~3.5A
01:17 PM Tom_L: yes
01:17 PM roycroft: my ps is 12.5a
01:17 PM Tom_L: but you set the current on the drive with a resistor
01:17 PM roycroft: the current limit is done with dip switches on the drive
01:17 PM JT-Shop: wonderful I have jury duty on my birthday
01:17 PM roycroft: that should not take long
01:18 PM roycroft: you get selected for a case, and they start questioning you as a potentential juror
01:18 PM roycroft: you just say "i'll vote guilty, because it's my birthday and i don't want to be here"
01:18 PM roycroft: and they'll dismiss you
01:18 PM roycroft: you don't even need to say you'll vote guilty
01:19 PM roycroft: just that it's your birthday and you don't want to be there
01:19 PM Tom_L: i doubt they'd buy that. i'm sure they've heard it all
01:19 PM roycroft: but he has id
01:19 PM roguish[m]1: JT-Shop: most important thing we do as good citizens.
01:19 PM roycroft: and can prove it's his birthday
01:19 PM roycroft: i've had jury duty several times
01:19 PM roycroft: i actually don't mind it
01:20 PM roycroft: but the one thing that does bother me about it is that when i do my duty, they know that i'll actually show up and i get selected again very soon
01:20 PM JT-Shop: the only think I dislike about it is my boss won't pay me if I don't work
01:20 PM roycroft: that has happened to me four times that i can remember
01:21 PM roguish[m]1: you're retired...........
01:21 PM roycroft: tell your boss to reschedule your shift around jury hours
01:21 PM unterhausen: I wish it was easier to get the stmbl heatsinks in the U.S., they are really nice
01:21 PM roycroft: our courts excuse people who have served in the last six months, but only for that particular court
01:22 PM roycroft: and it's still a hassle to get excused
01:22 PM roguish[m]1: unterhausen: what's up with the stmbl drives these days? in production?
01:22 PM JT-Shop: tell my customers I'm retired lol
01:22 PM unterhausen: our courts don't excuse for time served
01:22 PM roycroft: i once served on a grand jury
01:22 PM roycroft: that met for a month, 3-4 days/week
01:22 PM roycroft: it was the county grand jury
01:22 PM unterhausen: I don't know about the stmbl now, it's confusing
01:22 PM roycroft: two weeks after that was over i got a summons from the state
01:22 PM roycroft: and had to serve jury duty again
01:23 PM roguish[m]1: i'd love to be on a grand jury.
01:23 PM roycroft: it was a horrible experience, actually
01:23 PM roycroft: it was a special grand jury for crimes committed in the presence of minors
01:23 PM roguish[m]1: I've been on a Federal court jury. very different from muni courts........
01:24 PM roycroft: for a month we had to consider indictments of people charged with wife beatings, stabbings, child abductions, etc.
01:24 PM roycroft: there were a lot of really disturbing things brought up
01:24 PM unterhausen: I wouldn't want to be on a jury. Last time I was at voir dire, all the defendants were wasting our time
01:24 PM roycroft: i've never actually sat on a jury, except for that grand jury
01:24 PM roguish[m]1: almost picked for a murder case. would have been many weeks. Fed court jury time got me excused.
01:25 PM unterhausen: their right to do that, of course
01:25 PM roycroft: almost every other time, i go to the court house, sign in, sit around for the better part of a day, then get selected as a potential juror
01:25 PM roycroft: 100% of the time, minutes before the time to go into court for the jury selection process, the case was settled out of court
01:25 PM unterhausen: I figured out if you ask the judge a question, both sides will strike you
01:26 PM roycroft: yes, they usually do
01:26 PM roycroft: they don't want smart people on juries
01:26 PM roguish[m]1: like i said, it's ttll the most important thing to do. you actually affect someone's life. voting doesn't seem to matter.
01:26 PM roycroft: more accurately, they don't want people they think they cannot manipulate on juries
01:27 PM roycroft: it is important, roguish[m]
01:27 PM roycroft: and i was not serious about getting out of it due to the birthday
01:27 PM unterhausen: I have only asked a question twice. Once, the judge was a real jerk. Thank goodness he's gone now
01:27 PM roycroft: but i have to say, after sitting on that grand jury for a month, it was emotionally draining, and it took me years to completely get over the experience
01:28 PM roycroft: one reads about heinous, violent crimes
01:28 PM roycroft: but that's all rather abstract
01:29 PM roycroft: to sit in a hearing room, day after day, and hear about how some people behave towards their families, is right in your face, and really disturbing
01:29 PM unterhausen: the thing that struck me the last time I had to go to voir dire is that more than half the room would be homeless if they got selected for a long trial
01:29 PM roycroft: that's the other thing
01:29 PM unterhausen: they should raise the pay
01:30 PM unterhausen: they set jury pay to what it is in 1927, it was a full day's pay then
01:30 PM unterhausen: now it won't buy lunch
01:30 PM roycroft: it's $5/day + mileage and parking here
01:30 PM roycroft: and a stipend for lunch if you have to stay all day
01:30 PM unterhausen: similar here
01:30 PM unterhausen: no stipend for lunch
01:30 PM unterhausen: and they keep you all day even if they don't have to
01:30 PM roycroft: and it takes three months to get the check
01:31 PM unterhausen: I don't blame anyone for getting out of it if they are hourly wage
01:31 PM serp: i turned in the $10 they gave me for jury duty to my work and they paid me for the day
01:32 PM unterhausen: that's pretty common, but there aren't too many employers that will do that
01:32 PM unterhausen: around here, anyway
01:33 PM unterhausen: just the university, and not that many university employers get called
01:33 PM roycroft: at one job, when i got the summons, i was told "we'll let you take up to a week off for jury duty, but if it takes longer than that we'll have to replace you"
01:33 PM roycroft: which is blatently illegal
01:33 PM unterhausen: my boss said if it went longer than a day he couldn't pay me. Which is probably true in that case
01:34 PM roycroft: that same employer fired an employee who got a wage garnishment, which is also illegal
01:34 PM unterhausen: that's really common
01:34 PM roycroft: the employee sued and got a big settlement
01:34 PM roycroft: but did not get his job back
01:35 PM unterhausen: just don't fire them right away and it's safe to do
01:36 PM unterhausen: unless you live in a state that's not at-will. Which is only Nebraska
01:36 PM roycroft: when the vp tells the employee "the owner does not want people working for him who don't manage their money" and then fires him, that's an invitation for a lawsuit
01:36 PM unterhausen: yeah, bad idea
01:36 PM roycroft: and i knew the employee pretty well
01:36 PM roycroft: it was an old student loan that he thought was paid off, and it was just a few hundred dollars
01:37 PM unterhausen: my dad hired a construction guy and his wife found out about it and garnished his wages. So he quit
01:37 PM unterhausen: That's how I learned carpentry.
01:39 PM unterhausen: Virginia sent my student loan to collections. They were taking it out automatically, but they didn't take the last payment. They did that on purpose for some reason
01:39 PM unterhausen: I hated writing that $39.50 check every month.
01:40 PM unterhausen: at least your guy got his load paid off
04:09 PM roycroft: god, our billing/support software is horrible
04:09 PM roycroft: i've spent almost the entire day troubleshooting a problem when i moved one of the support emails to our new mail server
04:10 PM roycroft: what i finally found is that 1. when i tell it to use imap, it says "sure", but then uses pop3 anyway
04:10 PM roycroft: 2. it truncates the passwords it sends to 8 characters
04:10 PM roycroft: and it logs nothing
04:17 PM * roycroft looks forward to the day when he can just make things in his shop and not have to deal with broken by design software
04:26 PM JT-Shop: you get all the fun
04:27 PM XXCoder: 8 charactors jeez
04:27 PM XXCoder: brute force can crack that shortly
04:29 PM CloudEvil: utf-32
04:29 PM roycroft: yeah, while i'm waiting for my laptop power supply to arrive later this afternoon i should run crack on my rpi4 and grab some 8 characeter passwords :)
04:34 PM XXCoder: i remember one that they disallow special charactors too
04:34 PM XXCoder: and it was banking accounts
04:36 PM roycroft: a lot of banks and credit card companies do not allow auto-filling passwords on their login pages - they require the password to be typed in manually
04:36 PM JT-Shop: I wrote a python program to generate passwords for me
04:36 PM roycroft: i don't use long random strings for passwords on those sites
04:36 PM XXCoder: i just use password manager
04:36 PM roycroft: on the ones i'm talking about a password manager doesn't help
04:37 PM roycroft: try typing in a 28-character random string password without making a mistake
04:37 PM roycroft: especially when you can't see what you're typing
04:37 PM roycroft: i've cancelled a couple credit cards and closed a bank account because of that
04:37 PM XXCoder: on that in old days i tend to type it into notepad then paste it into password field
04:37 PM JT-Shop: I got locked out of my bank account trying to copy and type the 20 character random string on my phone
04:37 PM roycroft: it's just too much work to log into their websites
04:38 PM JT-Shop: I wish I had a way to send a text file to the phone
04:38 PM Tom_L: you do
04:38 PM Tom_L: connect via usb
04:38 PM Tom_L: and download it as another drive
04:39 PM Tom_L: i do it all the time
04:39 PM XXCoder: i dont use banking on phone ever.
04:39 PM JT-Shop: hmm, can you read the text file on the phone?
04:39 PM Tom_L: sure
04:39 PM Tom_L: bound to be some app that will but i installed notepad something
04:39 PM Tom_L: it's better cause i can zoom in to see it
04:40 PM Tom_L: yes there's notepad++ for android
04:41 PM Tom_L: otherwise it may try to open some 'office' app
04:42 PM Tom_L: i wasn't able to associate the file extension with notepad but i can open it from notepad
04:42 PM JT-Shop: I just tried and said screw that office thing that want's to have access to my phone
04:43 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: are you allowed as a juror to "look intuh theyer eyes and kin tell if they iz guilty or not"?
04:46 PM roycroft: i usually have my ipad with me, and really don't do much of anything on my phone except listen to music
04:47 PM roycroft: i'd say 95% of the use of my cell phone is listening to music, 3% of it is using the clock/timer/alarm app, 1% is for tethering when i need to connect to the internet with another device, and 1% is for making phone calls
04:48 PM JT-Shop: I'm not finding notepad++ for android
04:58 PM Tom_L: mmm this one is called notepad++
04:59 PM Tom_L: what did you search?
04:59 PM Tom_L: i entered notepad++ and 'notepad++ for android' pops up
05:02 PM andypugh: I had a wierd problem with passwords a couple of years back at work.
05:03 PM andypugh: They changed the policy so that we _had_ to have a “special character” in the password. I added one, and it was all OK.
05:04 PM andypugh: Except I found that I could no longer log in to one of out Linux-based systems using Xceed
05:05 PM Tom_L: there are plenty of other txt editors out there, i just happen to like that one
05:05 PM * roycroft uses vi for most text editing
05:05 PM andypugh: Eventually I fifured out that the _first_ login to the system was OK, bit at a second (automatic) login the password was being munged and failing.
05:06 PM andypugh: Basically somewhere in a script £ in my password was beciming some other cahracter, and was no longer actually my password….
05:06 PM Tom_L: https://sensortower.com/android/us/sappalodapps-development/app/notepad-notes-and-checklists/com.ztnstudio.notepad/overview
05:06 PM roycroft: it was probably being stripped
05:06 PM Tom_L: i think that might be it
05:06 PM andypugh: I changed my “special character” and it all started workig again.
05:06 PM JT-Shop: I use notepad++ but it's annoying the popup wanting to upgrade the upgrade manager that always fails to upgrade
05:07 PM roycroft: some functions that do authentication strip characters they don't like
05:07 PM roycroft: most of the time that is undocumented
05:07 PM andypugh: And unwarned-of
05:07 PM roycroft: yes
05:08 PM XXCoder: its extra annoying when password set does NOT strip that out. though removing it silently is as bad, as without special charactor password may be easy
05:08 PM roycroft: it's the same thing with long passwords, as i experienced today
05:08 PM andypugh: So we had to have a “special aharacter” but not _too_ special…
05:08 PM roycroft: the application does not set any limits
05:08 PM roycroft: so i set a long password
05:08 PM roycroft: it does not complain
05:08 PM roycroft: it just truncates it
05:09 PM roycroft: a well-documented app will say "use a special charcter from this list: ..."
05:09 PM JT-Shop: 10,051 1 star ratings is pretty bad
05:09 PM XXCoder: roy dunno because it helps brute force people
05:10 PM XXCoder: way id do it is accept literally all unicode
05:10 PM roycroft: when i'm told to use a special character but am not given a list from which to choose, i avoid # ! and \ because those are often stripped
05:10 PM XXCoder: and just use special handling for control charactors and such
05:10 PM roycroft: i don't know that it does, xxcoder
05:10 PM roycroft: but if that were the concern, at the very least the app should reject a password it does not like
05:10 PM XXCoder: or convert to safe ascii (yes more storage, but dont matter nowdays)
05:11 PM XXCoder: (ascii is backend only)
05:11 PM andypugh: https://xkcd.com/327/
05:11 PM roycroft: it should not claim to accept it an then alter it without telling you
05:11 PM XXCoder: agreed
05:12 PM roycroft: andypugh: how much trouble was it for you to build that rpi image for linuxcnc?
05:13 PM andypugh: It wasn’t terrible, most of the work had already been done.
05:13 PM roycroft: ok
05:13 PM roycroft: if i need to do a custom install, and may need to do it 3-4 times, do you think it would be easier to install by hand each time or to try to build a custom image?
05:14 PM Tom_L: andypugh, has that image been updated to reflect 2.8.2?
05:14 PM roycroft: yours needs a minor fix, btw
05:14 PM Tom_L: instead of the pre release
05:14 PM roycroft: it's the weekend!
05:15 PM JT-Shop: I punched out an hour ago
05:15 PM andypugh: I have actually forgotten how I did it. I propbably have notes somewhere.
05:15 PM roycroft: yeah, well you're in that fancy timezone that is ahead of mine
05:16 PM JT-Shop: and I quit at 4pm
05:17 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, gettin any rain still?
05:17 PM roycroft: if you ever update your image, andypugh, the auto-updater after the initstall breaks now
05:17 PM roycroft: since bullseye came out, the buster 'stable' train has been renamed 'oldstable'
05:17 PM JT-Shop: and I'm so glad I don't have to drag a bunch of crap to the Doniphan city wide yard sale tomorrow... 80% chance of rain
05:17 PM andypugh: Other folk on the forum have made updated ones including with a 64-bit kernel
05:17 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, 3.5" inches today
05:18 PM roycroft: no rain here in the forecast until next week
05:18 PM Tom_L: i ended up installing the iso, uninstalling the pre release that was on it then installing linuxcnc from the .deb file
05:18 PM JT-Shop: someone got a 64 bit kernel to work?
05:18 PM andypugh: I think so.
05:18 PM JT-Shop: I missed that
05:18 PM roycroft: hmm, i'll have to check that out
05:18 PM andypugh: But I am 15 pages behind on the forum and considering marking all read…
05:18 PM JT-Shop: what happened to the mark all read button?
05:19 PM andypugh: It’s under your little icon
05:19 PM JT-Shop: why there it is
05:19 PM roycroft: i'm months behind on the mailing list still
05:19 PM andypugh: Stupid place for it
05:19 PM roycroft: and hopeless behind on the forums
05:20 PM andypugh: And what I want is “mark topic read” so that I can skip the Plasmac / EtherCAT stuff where I am no help
05:21 PM JT-Shop: exactly there are many categories that I am no help except to permanently delete spam messages
05:24 PM roycroft: i'm going to spend some more time trying to get x forwarding to work with linuxcnc before i redo the install anyway
05:24 PM roycroft: and the ac adapter for my linux laptop is due to arrive today, so i should be able to work on that shortly
05:27 PM andypugh: roycroft: Tom_L : This is the repo that bulds the Pi images. I think all the hard work was done by Jepler, I just tweaked and ran it. https://github.com/LinuxCNC/pi-gen
05:27 PM roycroft: thanks
05:30 PM JT-Shop: I think jepler[m] used my instruction to build it... https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/
05:31 PM andypugh: Ah, no, that’s different, that’s the kernel / LinuxCNC (I think). Pi-gen creates the intallable SD card image
05:32 PM JT-Shop: ok
05:32 PM JT-Shop: might have been something before that then
05:32 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, did you find some editor that works for you?
05:33 PM JT-Shop: yes
05:33 PM JT-Shop: Advanced Editor
05:33 PM Tom_L: might take a look at it too
05:35 PM Tom_L: advanced code editor?
05:35 PM Tom_L: that comes up...
05:36 PM JT-Shop: yep
05:59 PM andypugh: TBH I like Notepad++ on Windows and Geany everywhere else.
06:00 PM andypugh: (I would probably have Geany on Windows too, but Notepad++ is an offical load on the work PCs)
06:00 PM Tom_L: that's my combination as well
06:06 PM roguish[m]1: andypugh: hello.. I keep seeing a few odd warning when I start linuxnc from a cmd line. I have ALL debug on. Where should I post the errors messages?
06:06 PM andypugh: If they seem serious, try the developers mailing list>
06:08 PM roguish[m]1: They are not catastrophic as it still runs. could there be a forum topic for things like this?
06:08 PM FinboySlick: Every time I try to use a text editor on windows I end up with shift-D and :wq in my file.
06:09 PM roguish[m]1: andypugh: hey, also, how about a forum topic or section or something for the whole python3 update effort? just to keep everyone appraised of the progress, and problems....
06:11 PM andypugh: That’s not a bad idea, though I am not as engaged in that as I would like to be. It’s mainly rene-dev pishing that (thank’s rene)
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06:26 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i kinda like the looks of that editor
06:31 PM roguish[m]1: andypugh: hey, not for you to maintain. for everyone to use and contribute to. just a simple information center.
07:27 PM XXCoder: wow new wesley. been a bit
07:34 PM andypugh: ?
07:35 PM XXCoder: youtube
07:35 PM XXCoder: though i did forget about his amazing rocket sign
08:00 PM XXCoder: i love his personal grill for hotdogs, but its so expensive
08:00 PM XXCoder: 125 usd ouch
09:31 PM Contract_Pilot: Talk about price gouging https://www.techni-tool.com/product/488SO837-24-6337-0001
09:40 PM roycroft: there must be something special about that particular type of solder
09:40 PM roycroft: their other solders are reasonably priced, including most others from the same maker
09:41 PM unterhausen: I was trying to find leaded solders a while back, and they are out there
09:41 PM unterhausen: but it was a bit of a pain
09:41 PM roycroft: best to avoid leaded solder if possible
09:41 PM unterhausen: I think the problem with that solder is that it's tiny
09:42 PM unterhausen: price goes up a lot as the diameter goes down
09:42 PM roycroft: could be
09:42 PM roycroft: the 0.25mm stuff is $233.09
09:43 PM roycroft: but there is other 0.25mm solder that is the same brand that is $58.69
09:43 PM roycroft: so i don't know what the deal is
09:43 PM roycroft: but i do know this:
09:44 PM roycroft: if i don't know why some of those solders are so expensive, i probably do not need them
09:45 PM roycroft: so the ac adapter arrived for my linux laptop
09:45 PM roycroft: i plugged it
09:45 PM roycroft: the computer turned on
09:45 PM roycroft: it actually came out of hibernation
09:45 PM roycroft: then about 30 seconds later it turned off again
09:46 PM roycroft: this is not encouraging
09:53 PM roycroft: and now it's on again
09:53 PM roycroft: and has been for over two minutes, so perhaps it's going to stay on
10:07 PM roycroft: as i pretty much expected, when x forwarding with the linux laptop as the x server, it just works
10:08 PM roycroft: i did nothing but ssh -X -l pi pi
10:08 PM roycroft: and then linuxcnc &
10:09 PM roycroft: this is great - it's exactly what i wanted/needed
10:11 PM Tom_L: ?
10:11 PM Tom_L: the rpi?
10:11 PM roycroft: yes
10:11 PM roycroft: i got my linux laptop running
10:12 PM roycroft: and i can run the x server on it and run linuxcnc on the rpi
10:12 PM roycroft: so i can install the pi headless, buried deep inside the router
10:13 PM roycroft: i have not tried getting the touchscreen on the linux laptop working with linux, but that's not that big a deal
10:13 PM roycroft: for a router i don't think a touch screen interface is as desirable as for a mill
10:14 PM Tom_L: running a machine remote is kinda sketchy imo
10:15 PM roycroft: it won't be remote
10:15 PM roycroft: the laptop will be on a bench right next to the router
10:15 PM roycroft: this is not so i can run the machine unattended
10:16 PM roycroft: it's because i don't have room to add a console to the machine
10:16 PM roycroft: a laptop sitting right next to it can be set up and removed almost instantly
10:17 PM Contract_Pilot: Yea, .015 is less than 40.00 still.
10:17 PM roycroft: if you're concerned that the ssh session could disconnect, that's a possiblity
10:17 PM roycroft: but there will be a big red mushroom button physically connected to the router in case things go south
10:17 PM Contract_Pilot: https://gokimco.com/products/kester-24-6337-0007-sn63-pb37-wire-solder-44-activated-rosin-015dia-66-core-1-lb
10:18 PM roycroft: and i should probably run linuxcnc in a tmux session, so that if i get disconnected i can reconnect
10:19 PM roycroft: i'll give that a go next
10:20 PM Tom_L: you will also be connecting to the rpi with wifi
10:20 PM Tom_L: because you use the other port for the 7i96
10:20 PM roycroft: yes
10:20 PM roycroft: that is what i'm doing right now
10:20 PM roycroft: i actually am running linuxcnc remotely right now, because the pi is in my office and i am in my living room
10:21 PM Tom_L: the wifi on it seems pretty solid
10:22 PM roycroft: so far, yes
10:23 PM roycroft: i'll see how solid it is when the pi is buried inside an electrical cabinet full of noise, deep in the router stand, down by the floor
10:24 PM XXCoder: might end up making grounded enclosure to proect against noise
10:25 PM Tom_L: you may have to leave it exposed for the signal
10:25 PM XXCoder: hmm MESA uses ethernet port correct?
10:26 PM Tom_L: yes
10:26 PM roycroft: the one i got, yes
10:26 PM roycroft: and it cannot share the port
10:26 PM roycroft: it wants it all for itself
10:26 PM XXCoder: guess not aviliable for networking rhen. theres usb to ethernet port though
10:26 PM Tom_L: you could mount it outside the box and run ethernet inside
10:26 PM roycroft: but if the wifi on the pi does not work well inside the machine, i can get a usb wifi adapter with an extension
10:26 PM roycroft: and mount an antenna on top of the machine
10:26 PM Tom_L: you certainly don't want usb
10:26 PM roycroft: there are options
10:27 PM roycroft: for wifi?
10:27 PM XXCoder: nice
10:27 PM roycroft: i shouldn't need much bandwidth
10:27 PM Tom_L: for control
10:27 PM roycroft: oh, no
10:27 PM roycroft: it's just for the network connection
10:27 PM roycroft: it would be, rather
10:27 PM roycroft: i'm hoping the built-in wifi works
10:34 PM roycroft: i can't detach a tmux session while it's actively forwarding an x app
10:34 PM roycroft: i guess i can reboot the laptop
10:34 PM roycroft: that would detatch the session
10:38 PM roycroft: and that kills linuxcnc, as i expected
10:39 PM roycroft: but with the laptop sitting right next to the router, the wifi connection should be pretty reliable once i get it set up properly
10:40 PM roycroft: i'll have plenty of time to bench test this before i connect the motors to the bits that move
10:43 PM Contract_Pilot: More woring for pennies this weekend.
10:43 PM Contract_Pilot: Working..
10:44 PM Contract_Pilot: I ate this one..
11:17 PM roycroft: oh wow
11:17 PM roycroft: the touch screen does work with debian, and touch works via x forwarding
11:18 PM roycroft: i'm still not sure i want to use a touch screen interface, but it's nice that it's an option
11:19 PM roycroft: it might actually be nice when i'm running the underside spindle in router table mode