Sep 08 2021
01:35 AM Deejay: moin
01:42 AM Rhine_Labs: Morn
03:24 AM t4nk_freenode: CaptHindsight[m], I had already discovered that there's about .4mm height difference between the left/right/front/back
03:24 AM t4nk_freenode: but I guess the spindle is mounted slightly off too
03:27 AM t4nk_freenode: furthermore I have 2 separate steppers for my Y-axis, and whenever I home... I always have to quickly grab one of the screws and give the right axis a twist .. until it engages the limit switch
03:27 AM t4nk_freenode: kind of odd, don't understand why it won't trigger on its own
03:27 AM XXCoder: dont you able to move each joinjt seperately
03:27 AM t4nk_freenode: it's using grbl though
03:27 AM XXCoder: oh
03:27 AM XXCoder: grbl dunno
03:30 AM t4nk_freenode: yeah, I got 4 limit switches on the y axes
04:06 AM Tom_L: morning
04:08 AM XXCoder: yo
05:02 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:03 AM XXCoder: yow
05:22 AM sono is now known as Guest3787
06:53 AM JT-Cave: building a shelf suspended from the rafters in the big shop... just too much crap
07:00 AM enleth: JT-Cave: pallet racking is good for this, solid enough to place the lowest shelf way up high, with spans long enough to get across a sizeable shop
07:01 AM JT-Cave: pallet racks are much to deep for shelves
07:01 AM JT-Cave: all my shelves are 2' deep... both walls are lined with 6' tall heavy duty shelves
07:02 AM JT-Cave: minus where the wood heater and gantry sits
07:02 AM enleth: you can actually get them made shallow for half-size pallets, the depth of the rack is set by cross-bracing of the sides, which is normally made of standard c-channel
07:03 AM enleth: almost any rack vendor will cut them to size to match the depth you order at little or no additional cost
07:04 AM enleth: or, in fact, you could cut them up yourself, after doing a little bit of math to figure out the depths that keep diagonal braces at 45 degrees
07:06 AM JT-Cave: pallet racks are too expensive for just storing light stuff unless you buy used racks but I don't need any more shelves that sit on the ground
07:07 AM JT-Cave: the shelf I'm adding is 8' off the ground
07:07 AM JT-Cave: I did the same thing at my business partners shop but we used all thread because he was an electrician and had a bunch
07:18 AM unterhaus: amazon sent me a sales pitch for an 8 axis 3d printer board
07:18 AM unterhaus: what do they use that for?
07:18 AM JT-Cave: to take your money
07:19 AM unterhaus: not that much money in the greater scheme of things
07:19 AM JT-Cave: are you on the forum?
07:20 AM unterhaus: yes
07:20 AM unterhaus: $50
07:21 AM unterhaus: $95 if you populate all the stepper drives
07:21 AM JT-Cave: click on anyone's profile and see if you have the ability to send a personal message
07:21 AM JT-Cave: I think I have it turned off for users but not sure
07:22 AM unterhaus: it offers me the opportunity to make a connection, is that a precursor to pm?
07:23 AM unterhaus: but no way to send a pm
07:23 AM JT-Cave: ok, no a connection is not a pm
07:23 AM JT-Cave: thanks for checking for me
07:26 AM unterhaus: JT-Cave, do you have Spinx1 boards in stock?
07:27 AM JT-Cave: I usually have one in stock
07:32 AM Tom_L: figures it's fine when i'm here
07:38 AM JT-Cave: you need a remote restart button
07:39 AM XXCoder: reminds me of that story where server kept crashing randomly, so guy added a remote control machine to long press power then press it again for power on
07:44 AM enleth: unterhaus: 3 axes and 3 extruders, two-motor axes, conveyor platform, etc.
07:44 AM enleth: it's not common but you could use up 8 stepper channels in a printer
09:17 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i've got one now
09:17 AM Tom_L: set ssh up on the android yesterday
09:17 AM skunkworks: Tom_L: thank you!
09:17 AM Tom_L: i had chat set up but didn't think about a ssh client
09:18 AM Tom_L: actually didn't even think it would work on the phone
09:38 AM t4nk_freenode: I'm stuck on how to proceed with drilling the holes in my wasteboard
09:40 AM t4nk_freenode: think I want to drill 6mm holes in a grid, but perhaps only a few here and there
09:40 AM t4nk_freenode: and then 7mm diameter for the depth of a nut
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: I can just hammer in an m6 nut and it'll stick
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: but there's 90.000 programs around
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: and I know none
10:01 AM Tom_L: i did a 1" grid
10:02 AM roycroft: what is the purpse of these holes? are they for mounting hold-downs?
10:04 AM Tom_L: yes
10:04 AM roycroft: i'd drill as i need them when starting out
10:05 AM t4nk_freenode: yeah
10:05 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Table_holes.jpg
10:05 AM Tom_L: you may regret the 'drill as you go' method
10:05 AM roycroft: a mill is different to a router
10:05 AM roycroft: the spoil board on a router is replaced regularly
10:05 AM roycroft: a mill table hopefully not
10:05 AM Tom_L: and since i didn't have the traditional T slots i drilled & tapped them
10:05 AM t4nk_freenode: I'm likely to loose my position
10:06 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Vise_alignment_slot.jpg
10:06 AM roycroft: i'm toying with the idea of a vacuum hold-down system on my router
10:06 AM Tom_L: added a drain trough and slot for the vise later
10:07 AM roycroft: but as i'll probably be making most of my parts out of mdf, that might not work out so well
10:07 AM Tom_L: roycroft, you may want a spoil board for that separate from the primary table
10:07 AM roycroft: mdf is like a sponge - i'd have to coat the bottom with tape or something to use a vacuum hold-down
10:07 AM Tom_L: use that smooth stuff like air hockey tables have
10:08 AM roycroft: i have a nice venturi vacuum pump that i built for vacuum forming/veneering
10:08 AM roycroft: i don't use it often enough
10:08 AM roycroft: a router would be a perfect application for it
10:08 AM Tom_L: just depends on the type of parts you're making
10:08 AM t4nk_freenode: man, what a mess, I have no idea at all
10:09 AM roycroft: virtually all cookie cutter parts
10:09 AM Tom_L: flat patterns would be fine, large chunks may not
10:09 AM roycroft: and a vacuum hold-down system would be a benefit to those
10:09 AM roycroft: i would not have to bother leaving tabs on the parts to clean up later
10:09 AM Tom_L: worth a try i suppose
10:10 AM roycroft: if i set it up properly i should be able to cut all the way through
10:10 AM roycroft: i'm still toying with that idea
10:10 AM Tom_L: make the air holes small and many so if you cross one it doesn't lose vacuum
10:10 AM roycroft: i have other challenges to tackle first
10:11 AM * Tom_L goes out to scrape the bugs off the front grill after the trip
10:11 AM t4nk_freenode: yeah, me too, going back to see if I can setup a path in freecad
10:14 AM roycroft: aqi is just under 100 this morning, and rising
10:21 AM captain_morgan: I've been mulling vacuum hold down as well as I'm in the tables design phase at the moment
10:21 AM captain_morgan: if I had a pump I think it'd be a no brainer
10:21 AM roycroft: i made some vaccum hold-down blocks for a workbench
10:22 AM roycroft: they don't work with my main workbench - the surface of the bench is too porous
10:22 AM roycroft: but they work ok on my router table, which has a plastic laminate surface
10:23 AM roycroft: i just took some melamine, cut it into square blocks, drilled a hole through the center of the block, a hole from one edge to the center hole, put a nipple in the edge hole, and put foam tape around the edges top and bottom
10:23 AM captain_morgan: yyyeah, that would be a nice surface too
10:23 AM roycroft: i sealed the ends as well
10:24 AM roycroft: i can just set the blocks on the router table, hook up the hoses, set the part on the blocks, and turn the vacuum on
10:24 AM roycroft: i haven't gotten around to making some that work on my main workbench
10:25 AM roycroft: i just need to do the same thing, but not drill the center holes all the way through
10:25 AM roycroft: and come up with some other way to hold the blocks down to the bench top
10:26 AM roycroft: i could probably remove a couple of the bench dogs and use the dog holes to bolt the vacuum block down from below
10:53 AM Tom_L: https://www.kronosrobotics.com/making-a-vacuum-fixture
10:54 AM unterhaus: does the spin1x do negative analog out?
10:54 AM Tom_L: no
10:55 AM Tom_L: it does a range of voltage you select between i think 0-15v potential
10:55 AM Tom_L: max
10:55 AM Tom_L: i'm essentially using the exact same circuit on my 7i47S
10:55 AM Tom_L: with a direction pin to the vfd
10:56 AM Tom_L: mine is set for 0-10v
10:56 AM unterhaus: bummer, would be nice to have isolation between my mesa and my analog input drives
10:56 AM Tom_L: pretty sure it is isolated
10:57 AM Tom_L: most everything peter builds is
10:57 AM Tom_L: i almost ordered one of those myself
10:58 AM unterhaus: he never mentions it in any manual that I have read, unless it's a digital i/o, in which case it's explicity mentioned
10:59 AM Tom_L: The SPINx1 is a one channel isolated digital potentiometer intended for spindle control.
10:59 AM Loetmichel: *sigh* ... you know you are getting old when you have the Queen playlist running on the car stereo and the young coworker you're driving home has never heard a single song of that group :(
10:59 AM Tom_L: front and center on the main page
10:59 AM roguish[m]: unterhaus: look at the 7i42. a lot of mesa cards are not isolated and are quite fragile, electrically. been there too many times.....
11:00 AM unterhaus: I think it was clear I was talking about an analog output mesa interface board, but I don't have my glasses on right now so maybe I didn't say that
11:00 AM Tom_L: the SPINx1 would be what you're looking for then
11:00 AM roguish[m]: If the card description, in the manual, does not specifically say isolated, assume it's not.
11:00 AM Tom_L: for ~10v swing
11:01 AM Tom_L: not -10 +10
11:01 AM roguish[m]: the spinx1 is isolated for sure.
11:01 AM unterhaus: yeah, I need bipolar
11:01 AM unterhaus: pretty sure, have to go look at the drive manuals again
11:02 AM unterhaus: it wouldn't be too hard to isolate the outputs of an analog servo board, but I guess nobody sees the need
11:02 AM roguish[m]: send a note to tech support at mesa. he does reply.
11:02 AM Tom_L: i don't think he makes a board for -10 +10 swing separately
11:02 AM Tom_L: or just ask burklefoo here
11:02 AM roguish[m]: Tom_L: he's really clever, he may have a way.
11:03 AM unterhaus: I guess it's not too bad to tie the mesa ground to power ground
11:03 AM Tom_L: roguish[m], yes he is
11:06 AM burklefoo: If you want isolated +-10V analog, you can use a 7I83, though its overkill for a spindle (6 channels)
11:08 AM unterhaus: thanks, I never think of sserial boards
11:08 AM unterhaus: it's actually for my milling machine
11:08 AM unterhaus: I just wanted to use the spinx because it's isolated
11:09 AM unterhaus: is there a matching sserial board for encoders?
11:10 AM burklefoo: No
11:12 AM unterhaus: that would be a little clumky then
11:13 AM burklefoo: multiple encoder channels is a bit too much data for sserial
11:13 AM burklefoo: at least at 2.5 MBaud
11:15 AM burklefoo: I've considered a spindle sserial card with 1 analog, 1 encoder maybe an analog input or 2 and some digital I/O but have not got around to it yet
11:15 AM unterhaus: it's too fast to do at all, even over more than one?
11:16 AM unterhaus: I guess not, since stmbl seems to work
11:17 AM roycroft: oh, off topic but perhaps useful to some of you
11:17 AM roycroft: when the pandemic started a year and a half ago i started working from home full-time, as opposed to driving to the office 3 days/week
11:17 AM burklefoo: Too much data with a multiple encoder card
11:17 AM roycroft: i'm sure this is the case with many
11:18 AM roycroft: i needed to make an update to my auto insurance policy yesterday, and while i was doing that i noticed my primary vehicle was set to "commute" as the primary use
11:19 AM roycroft: i updated that to "personal use", and reduced the annual mileage by 2/3, to reflect how much i actually drive these days, and the policy went down $50
11:19 AM roycroft: i hadn't thought to do that
11:19 AM roycroft: perhaps i'm dense
11:19 AM roycroft: or perhaps there was a lot going on regarding the pandemic
11:20 AM roycroft: i'd recommend anyone whose driving habits have changed to check their insurance policy and make sure it reflects the changes
12:02 PM unterhaus: my wife works at her office, but it's all remote
12:02 PM unterhaus: which is goofy
12:02 PM unterhaus: the roads would be moderately safer if she wasn't driving on them
12:19 PM roycroft: the rate of wrecks and fatalities from wrecks went way up during the pandemic, when people were not driving much
12:19 PM roycroft: either them that still drove were the really crazy ones, or they got more crazy as the roads were less congested
12:21 PM CloudEvil: Also house insurance
12:21 PM Tom_L: not used to the extra space?
12:53 PM * JT-Cave needs new shoes
12:56 PM * JT-Cave swears he will never lock his phone and keys in the van at Menards again... it
12:56 PM JT-Cave: 's a 10 mile hike home
01:25 PM Tom_L: :/
01:28 PM Tom_L: i bet you could have borrowed their phone
02:04 PM mrec_: does anyone mill pcbs here? if so are you using a height map?
02:05 PM mrec_: I'd like to lump together some breakout boards for prototyping and milling seems to be a good option
02:18 PM Tom_L: mrec_, where are you?"
02:19 PM mrec_: Taiwan
02:19 PM Tom_L: the board houses are so cheap it's hardly worth it
02:19 PM mrec_: I know pcbs are cheap from china, however I just need some "base boards" from time to time
02:20 PM mrec_: just to put some breakout boards together, eg. esp32 and motor drivers
02:20 PM Tom_L: i've even gotten some of those free back on other board orders
02:20 PM Tom_L: smt -> dip for example
02:21 PM JT-Shop: I did use their phone but couldn't remember the first three digits of her phone number
02:21 PM Tom_L: woops
02:21 PM mrec_: I don't think I'd have many components for my boards, maybe just connectors, the rest is just connecting the other boards
02:22 PM Tom_L: https://oshpark.com/
02:22 PM Tom_L: those guys will send you 3 of anything real cheap
02:22 PM mrec_: it's not worth it I feel..
02:22 PM Tom_L: guy i know in Canada paid $.80 shipping
02:22 PM mrec_: as mentioned I just want to connect the ESP32 with a few motor drivers
02:23 PM Tom_L: and a per sq in fee iirc
02:24 PM Tom_L: i've ordered from laen before he ever had that website and the boards are good quality
02:24 PM mrec_: milling the pcbs should be possible within a few hours
02:25 PM mrec_: ordering would take at least a week
02:25 PM Tom_L: yeah some just like milling i suppose
02:25 PM mrec_: I do order pcbs from jlc and they're fine, but for what I need it's an overkill
02:26 PM Tom_L: i've used goldphoenix before for batches
02:26 PM Tom_L: also 'good' quality chinaco boards
02:26 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/boards1.JPG
02:40 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm ticked off :|
02:40 PM t4nk_freenode: I used freecad to do some test holes
02:41 PM t4nk_freenode: first one was 5mm deep, with the flute... and it went ok
02:41 PM t4nk_freenode: but the rest of em all failed
02:42 PM Tom_L: in what way?
02:42 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm not sure if it's the power supplies I use or not, but my steppers go crazy a lot
02:42 PM Tom_L: poor grounding
02:42 PM t4nk_freenode: sometimes when the machine is sitting there.. and I move home.. the steppers will engage, but then block
02:43 PM t4nk_freenode: producing a hissing sound
02:43 PM Tom_L: step timing wrong?
02:43 PM Tom_L: i'd encourage you to step up to linuxcnc :)
02:43 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm using 2209's haven't changed the settings
02:44 PM Tom_L: i don't know much about grbl
02:44 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, and I'd be willing to explore it, Tom_L ... but you've seen my setup.. stm32 board and steppers
02:44 PM Tom_L: is it on an atmega board?
02:44 PM Tom_L: mega2560?
02:44 PM t4nk_freenode: no, stm32f407vet6
02:45 PM Tom_L: arm
02:45 PM Tom_L: ok
02:45 PM t4nk_freenode: fairly potent, yes
02:47 PM t4nk_freenode: I assume that my steppers are running at 500ma, unaltered
02:47 PM t4nk_freenode: they're rated for 2A
02:47 PM t4nk_freenode: but the x is getting hot as it is
02:47 PM Tom_L: the drivers don't have idle current shutdown
02:48 PM Tom_L: a stepper draws the most current when it's idle
02:48 PM Tom_L: or 'holding'
02:48 PM t4nk_freenode: not when it's doing work?
02:49 PM Tom_L: true that
02:49 PM t4nk_freenode: so linuxcnc is sort of a separate system, a separate implementation of movement
02:50 PM t4nk_freenode: but it will still result in step/dir output
02:50 PM Tom_L: yes
02:50 PM Tom_L: has many more features than grbl though
02:50 PM t4nk_freenode: and it is supposed to be sent via parallel port
02:50 PM Tom_L: grbl supports the 'basic' gcode set
02:51 PM Tom_L: you can use a parallel port or get some mesa card for vastly improved performance over a parallel port
02:51 PM t4nk_freenode: so you yourself, for example, how are you controlling?
02:51 PM roycroft: have you been running your mill with a rpi, tom_l?
02:51 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc on a pc going to a 7i90 mesa card thru my parallel port
02:52 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i have tested it with a rpi but not currently running on one
02:52 PM roycroft: does it work decently?
02:52 PM t4nk_freenode: but.. there is ultimately no difference between the parport and the mesa card... with regards to the information that's sent out? everything is step.dir?
02:52 PM Tom_L: i have a current configuration set up on it
02:52 PM Tom_L: roycroft, yes
02:52 PM * roycroft is thinking about that as an option for the cnc router
02:52 PM Tom_L: rpi4 -> ethernet mesa card
02:53 PM Tom_L: he's got an all in one ethernet card that would be ideal for it
02:53 PM roycroft: yeah, that's what i'm thinking
02:53 PM roycroft: how do you interface with the rpi, though?
02:53 PM Tom_L: by all in one, you don't need a daughter card for it
02:53 PM Tom_L: ethernet
02:53 PM roycroft: do you use an hdmi display and usb keyboard?
02:53 PM Tom_L: i have also tested spi
02:53 PM roycroft: i mean user interface
02:53 PM roycroft: not machine interface
02:53 PM Tom_L: hdmi display, wireless mouse, wired keyboard
02:54 PM roycroft: i have a spare hdmi display, but it's 24"
02:54 PM Tom_L: you could do a wired mouse usb
02:54 PM roycroft: a big large for that
02:54 PM Tom_L: meh
02:54 PM t4nk_freenode: is there also such a thing as 'output to file' in linuxcnc? so you can export the 'linuxcnc-gcode' so to speal?
02:54 PM Tom_L: that's your call
02:54 PM roycroft: i could get a smaller one
02:54 PM Tom_L: you could also get a rpi touch screen
02:54 PM roycroft: what would actually be nice is if linuxcnc had a web interface
02:54 PM roycroft: i suppose i could install vnc on the rpi
02:55 PM Tom_L: you _can_ remote into it but i know nothing about that
02:55 PM roycroft: that would be sweet
02:55 PM Tom_L: ask around or search the forum for that
02:55 PM roycroft: this is all in the interest of conserving shop real estate
02:55 PM Tom_L: i would want my control to be close to the machine personally
02:55 PM roycroft: if i could bring a laptop out to the shop when i need to use the router and interface with that it would be awesome
02:56 PM roycroft: yes, being close to the machine is a given
02:56 PM Tom_L: skunkworks runs his green machine from a laptop
02:56 PM roycroft: but a laptop is more compact and flexible than an hdmi display
02:56 PM Tom_L: you could find out what he's using
02:56 PM Tom_L: some are better than others
02:56 PM roycroft: i don't want to directly run it from the laptop, i don't think
02:56 PM Tom_L: ethernet
02:56 PM roycroft: although i do have that acer laptop i bought last winter that was intended to be a linux laptop
02:57 PM roycroft: because 2021 is the year of the linux laptop
02:57 PM roycroft: except
02:57 PM Tom_L: check the latency
02:57 PM roycroft: NOT
02:57 PM roycroft: yeah
02:57 PM Tom_L: doesn't need to be super good with a mesa card
02:57 PM roycroft: it's even a touch screen laptop
02:57 PM roycroft: right
02:57 PM Tom_L: and making sure you can find linux touch drivers etc
02:57 PM roycroft: yes, that can be challenging
02:58 PM roycroft: it's a mainstream acer, though
02:58 PM roycroft: there's a decent chance there are linux drivers for it
02:58 PM Tom_L: i'd get a spare ssd and try it
02:59 PM roycroft: i've already installed a new boot loader and repartitioned the ssd thats in it
02:59 PM roycroft: i preserved the windows 10 installation and carved out room for linux
03:00 PM roycroft: there's nothing useful in the linux partition, so i really don't care if i end up trashing that
03:00 PM roycroft: reinstalling is a lot easier than disassembling this machine to swap disks
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://preview.redd.it/j8cst08226m71.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55f3406f4774cc5bd529651273cd52e25ce4b430 use a thermal camera to optimize feeds and speeds
03:00 PM roycroft: although i do have some external drives with a usb interface that i could use for testing
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://preview.redd.it/e2ox4ed226m71.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95754c8e8e4402c1f6b483f70d5cc0563a7bf342
03:01 PM roycroft: touch screen driver testing, that is
03:01 PM roycroft: not latency testing
03:04 PM Tom_L: right
03:49 PM roguish[m]: hey there. little help. how is a custom qtvcp gui file called for in the config.ini DISPLAY section?
03:50 PM roguish[m]: all the docs say: DISPLAY=qtpyvcp myscreen
03:51 PM enleth: CaptHindsight[m]: it might be more appropriate to say that tempered glass doesn't work with waterjet, just like it doesn't work with anything else that tries to cut or abrade it
03:55 PM enleth: I think I've read somewhere that laser cutting has a chance of working well as the ablation process anneals and re-tempers the cut edge
03:56 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], https://forum.linuxcnc.org/qtpyvcp/39873-probe-basic-setting-new-machine
03:56 PM roycroft: i would not try that unless i was prepared to clean up a big mess of tiny bits of glass
03:56 PM Tom_L: DISPLAY = your_screeen ?
03:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: enleth: looks like having to untemper, cut and retemper
03:56 PM enleth: yep
03:57 PM enleth: it might be cheaper to make a new piece
03:57 PM enleth: glass is cheap, working it isn't
03:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not auto glass, it's not cheap
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: especially when it's >50 years old and out of production
03:58 PM roycroft: that's what insurance is for
03:58 PM enleth: CaptHindsight[m]: doing a restoration?
03:58 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: thanks, but doesn't work. I have "DISPLAY=qtvcp mydragon" where all the custom files are in the config directory, and named 'mydragon......'
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe I need to develop a rapid glass casting tech
03:59 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], join hazzy and ask
03:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes for restorations (plural)
03:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and older car mods
03:59 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], on matrix
03:59 PM Tom_L: i think that's the channel...
04:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: QtPyVCP on Matrix as well
04:00 PM Tom_L: https://www.qtpyvcp.com/configuration/ini_options.html
04:00 PM enleth: CaptHindsight[m]: that sounds like jt might be among the most difficult parts to acquire or remake
04:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hey Turboss !!
04:01 PM enleth: *it
04:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roguish[m] has a question
04:01 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], that last one might help
04:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: custom auto glass is not yet a thing
04:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they usually go the easier route of using acrylic or diamond saw
04:08 PM perry_j1987: man im sore and achey
04:08 PM perry_j1987: second pfizer shot yesterday
04:08 PM enleth: CaptHindsight[m]: honestly, I'd expect remaking a whole damn engine block from scratch might be easier than remaking a fancy windshield
04:08 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], https://www.curvedglasscreations.com/custom-auto-glass
04:09 PM enleth: one-off castings are not that huge of a deal
04:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I print sand molds and cores
04:10 PM roycroft: i was a little weary after my second pfizer jab
04:10 PM roycroft: it only lasted a day though
04:10 PM enleth: unless - well, exactly what Tom_L linked - there's a glass manufacturer that takes those one-off special orders because they have a passion for restoring cars and helping others do it
04:10 PM enleth: it can't be a lucrative business
04:10 PM roycroft: there are people with ridiculous amounts of money that they don't know what to do with
04:11 PM roycroft: many car collectors fit that category
04:11 PM enleth: true
04:11 PM roycroft: a $7500 custom windscreen would be nothing to those folks
04:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: the true test is going to a country bar and having a spit talker aim at you
04:11 PM roycroft: i'll pass on that, thank you very much
04:12 PM enleth: perry_j1987: that's actually good, means your immune system actually noticed
04:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i should sell a white shirt that turns blue or red in areas that come in contact with saliva
04:13 PM perry_j1987: it feels like i threw my back out but its up just below shoulderblades not lower back
04:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "spit talker test gear"
04:13 PM enleth: I barely felt a thing after the second dose and I'm still not sure if that was just me taking it well, or my body failing to properly react to the vaccine
04:13 PM perry_j1987: CaptHindsight[m] like parents telling their kids they bought special swim trunks that change color with contact with pee haha
04:14 PM Tom_L: enleth, you got the placebo :)
04:14 PM perry_j1987: enleth heh your part of the control group
04:14 PM perry_j1987: lol
04:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I had NO side effects from either Pfizer jab
04:15 PM enleth: perry_j1987: that had to backfire somewhere, sometime with kids pissing on themselves on purpose to try and "draw" on their swimsuits
04:15 PM DaViruz: i felt horrible after the second one, lasted about 36 hours
04:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: week 3 of actual Covid though, starting to feel some energy back again
04:15 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], but you had covid?
04:15 PM Tom_L: before or after?
04:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: got the vaccine back in march/April
04:16 PM Tom_L: you should stay away from the spit bars
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tastes are returning, smells not so much besides chlorine, ammonia, burned rubber...
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: popular around here
04:17 PM perry_j1987: you live in a maid closet?
04:18 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: just posted a new topic in forum, pyvcp section.........
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: zero lung issues with covid
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: felt like a bad cold
04:19 PM roycroft: i have lung damage already
04:19 PM roycroft: which is a big reason i'd rather pass on getting near covid-19 vectors
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, wise choice
04:20 PM roycroft: it's also why the smoke from the wildfires bothers me so much
04:20 PM roycroft: even when the aqi is nominal it affects me
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the weird difference from the feeling of a cold is what felt like a tingling over my whole body, inside and out
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and the extra tinnitus added to that effect
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: metallic taste in mouth as well
04:21 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], pyvcp and qt are different animals aren't they?
04:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wish I knew the variant that got me
04:21 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], i thought pyvcp was older
04:21 PM roycroft: you should be able to find out
04:22 PM roycroft: that's being tracked fairly closely - ask your physician
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they don't you since the sequencing tests are not yet FDA approved
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: don't tell you
04:23 PM roycroft: well the cdc will know
04:23 PM roycroft: perhaps you can find out some day
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's more leaked out by the lab vs official results
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: information act request
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I do know someone at the CDC
04:24 PM roycroft: are they anonymising the data when they generate the statistics?
04:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I believe there is no personally identifying info pulicized
04:25 PM Tom_L: no the tracking device will come back to you :)
04:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just numbers and areas
04:25 PM roycroft: right, but internally they are trying to track how it spreads
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, internally
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe after the tests are OKed by the FDA they will give you your results
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you have to consider the value to the patient
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for me it's curiosity
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for them it's tracking spread of variants
04:27 PM Tom_L: it's not like you can avoid a particular strain
04:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: exactly
04:28 PM roycroft: i think it helps with understanding the data
04:29 PM roycroft: and it should help with some of the folks who don't trust the data
04:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://nanoporetech.com/products/minion ask for it for your next smartphone
04:29 PM roycroft: people like my boss who think it's all fabricated
04:30 PM roycroft: if i contracted a disease i'd want to know as much about it as possible
04:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: WGN radio is now very conservative, I turned it on in the car the other day and was shocked by the bullshit shouted at me
04:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you live on this stuff daily i can see why many people are just ignorant and confused
04:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: loud enough and long enough like 1930's Germany
04:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: still works 80 years later
05:07 PM roycroft: i never listedn much to wgn radio
05:07 PM roycroft: i watched wgn tv all the time
05:07 PM roycroft: as a kid i watched the ray raymond show and bozo's circus
05:07 PM roycroft: and of course the cubbies
05:08 PM roycroft: wgn was not a "megastation" yet when i moved away from chicago
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I've only heard this kind of talk traveling through countrysides and tuning into local hate talk stations
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: always a shouter and just nonsense
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: usually one or two every several miles along the interstates that overlap
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD8_PZvi2V8
05:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was the start of my every weekday
05:15 PM XXCoder: my lungs are damaged too roy, and it sucks too.
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: we lived about a mile from the station
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the best part of his show was when he had craft projects and he had 4 left thumbs
05:18 PM roycroft: thats not ray raynor
05:18 PM roycroft: ray raynor wore a jumpsuit covered with sticky notes
05:18 PM roycroft: :)
05:19 PM roycroft: he must have outgrown that
05:19 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://youtu.be/dLtHx6qa7XM?t=314 here we go, be glad he didn't burn the studio down
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: Chicago had live shows for kids on before school and during lunch
05:25 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-cijUxK1fM
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: after school was a movie from 3:30 till 5 with 187 commercial interruptions
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh sorry thats the later Bozo, not the classic
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr2kIROP00Y the real Bozo
05:28 PM XXCoder: isnt that the horrible clown that was jailed for pedo
05:28 PM XXCoder: or is it different clown
05:28 PM roguish[m]: well, cracket 102 now, and still rising......
05:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there was something like a 20 year wait list to get tickets
05:28 PM roguish[m]: time to go lie down
05:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they would joke that parents should write for tickets before the kids were born
05:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bozo was the good clown, no bad stuff
05:29 PM XXCoder: ok
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: are you thinking of the serial killer John Gacy?
05:30 PM XXCoder: oh yeah indeed
05:31 PM XXCoder: olviously misremembered face and makeup
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.thoughtco.com/john-wayne-gacy-the-killer-clown-973164
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he lived near a friends house, was pretty spooked by that event, same as Dahmer
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: no local kids TV shows for you?
05:36 PM XXCoder: cartoons generally.
05:36 PM XXCoder: those you can enjoy without captions
05:36 PM XXCoder: silent films dont interest me
05:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: were they CC'ed by then?
05:36 PM XXCoder: some cartoons yeah
05:37 PM XXCoder: one of reasons I never watched transformers is they never captioned it
05:37 PM XXCoder: captain planet sure they always captioned
05:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was it the 80's when TV's had the feature?
05:37 PM XXCoder: nah 2003
05:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i don't recall any CC in the 70's
05:37 PM XXCoder: before that we had caption boxes
05:38 PM XXCoder: i have one of last caption boxes, telecaption 2000
05:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: after ray rayner ended at 8am it was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0J1o16oz1g
05:39 PM XXCoder: 5 years too early for me lol
05:40 PM FinboySlick: France partnered with Japan for kids cartoons when I was a kid, we got some pretty messed up stuff.
05:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: our first Japan import i recall was Speed Racer
05:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and this was not porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-e6tVkodag
05:44 PM XXCoder: dont see anything "concerning" i guess its dirty jokes or something
05:44 PM FinboySlick: Yeah, roughtly the same style but much less conservative on the content. The plots were pretty awesome and surprisingly deep and elaborate. But damn... One was about forest animals. Beaver kid would get into a fist fight with his bear friend, the dad would just them get all bruised up and bloody-nosed and tell the mothers that boys need to fight.
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "he needed killin"
05:45 PM FinboySlick: Same style as speed-racer that is.
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: recall the name of the show?
05:46 PM XXCoder: i remember speed racer reruns, but it was never captioned and it was boring
05:47 PM XXCoder: my friend is huge fan of it, he has small amount of hearing ability
05:47 PM FinboySlick: That one was 'Le Petit Castor' or 'the little beaver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xi-8K7qsbE
05:47 PM FinboySlick: The scene I mentioned is about 2:30 in.
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I come across lots of French and German early morning kids shows when looking for things to watch here late evening
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: really different from what we grew up with
05:48 PM XXCoder: fairly cheap animation style, but common
05:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I've seen that before
05:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ever seen Clutch Cargo? creepiest show ever
05:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTQI_XjoSSY
05:49 PM FinboySlick: Demetan was another one. Almost depressing, the poor little frog ended up getting beat up almost every episode and not in a funny way.
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: animation with just the mouths that moved using video of an actual person mouth
05:51 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:52 PM FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaWN8v9J2OA First episode, his famly moves to the pond, father gets beat up by the 'mayor's men, while one of them is trying force her to give him kisses. Wouldn't fly today.
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Conan used to do that as a fun segnment
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: FinboySlick: when i was a kid, life was pretty much just about who could beat up who
05:53 PM FinboySlick: Oh, but first, all of demetan's tadpole brothers and sisters get eaten up.
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: every school and classroom had an order
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we all knew
05:53 PM FinboySlick: I forgot about that :P
05:54 PM FinboySlick: The plot was still quite good, but they didn't shy away from rough themes.
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: my life changed right before HS when I stared Wushu
05:56 PM FinboySlick: You know Kung-fu?
05:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: FinboySlick: did you have Saturday morning cartoons up there?
05:56 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight[m]: What I pasted was our saturday morning cartoons.
05:56 PM FinboySlick: But that was only in French Canada.
05:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok
05:57 PM XXCoder: whats odd is i remember the bever ones. though probably recently saw it at some point on interney
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we had 3 channels of cartoons from 8am until noon every Saturday
05:57 PM FinboySlick: Roughly the same for us. But as I said, the themes were much more mature.
05:58 PM FinboySlick: They were usually epics with elaborate continuity.
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Speed racer had fighting, Looney Toons and Merrie Melodies had Bugs Bunny and Roadrunner type violence
05:59 PM FinboySlick: Yeah, speed racer is probably the closest thing to what we had but much more tame.
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: after i was older came shows like power rangers
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I don't recall any kids shows that were mature themed except for maybe later 70's with afterschool specials
06:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they would have shows about pregnancy or abuse
06:01 PM FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEBnveMn6Kg This guy was a young bee prince who estranged from the hive. Tried to make friends every episode, and they usually ended upd ead before the end of the episode :P One I remember was when he befriended a butterfly and found him pinned in a guy's butterfly collection at the end of the episode.
06:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: found him pinned in a guy's butterfly collection at the end of the episode. ahah
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we would have loved that show
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: batman, green hornet etc had fighting
06:04 PM FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJP4Nx6vzVM was probably the most epic. Boy with an alcoholic and violent foster father gets sold to a wondering circus, Through the adventures of the circus, he ends up finding his real, wealthy mother, but neither of them knows who the other is and I believe it ends in tragedy.
06:04 PM FinboySlick: We watched that one religiously every saturday morning. I think the whole story spanned three years.
06:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owB6zFSZbng&list=PLlNx1V_D2hmS2-przFgHoQFyIpf-x3d_Y we had these that had jokes for adults and children
06:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the remake was awful
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqtOM03M8co&list=PLlNx1V_D2hmS2-przFgHoQFyIpf-x3d_Y&index=2
06:06 PM FinboySlick: I believe we had some of those too.
06:07 PM FinboySlick: "Same art style, but not that specific one.
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: FinboySlick: went to Canada first time in '71, until then this was my understanding of your culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtvsGgPfMYk&list=PLeagipoZmyfm_yCiyU_LYR86ZcJFc0k6d
06:08 PM roycroft: back in the days of trudeau the elder
06:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: FinboySlick: a three year story wow!
06:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i recall one show that lasted maybe a few weeks that was on daily
06:09 PM roycroft: when rene levesque was trying to patriate quebec
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6NZhc7rfM
06:10 PM FinboySlick: I met Rene Levesques as a kid, he was pretty cool.
06:10 PM roycroft: and now your understanding of canadians has evolved to this:
06:11 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W1tWRMoiAI
06:11 PM roycroft: he was a visionary
06:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: haha pretty much
06:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and every Christmas season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEe6KOWdbUs
06:12 PM FinboySlick: Actually, Rene Levesques was from a couple towns away, he was our local representative.
06:13 PM FinboySlick: He was pretty surprised that a 6 year old kid like me would ask him questions about taxation.
06:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.historymuseum.ca/teachers-zone/think-like-a-historian-working-with-primary-source-evidence/films-and-videos/excerpt-from-a-speech-given-by-quebec-premier-rene-levesque/
06:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug7_4DOWUJw
06:18 PM FinboySlick: "Not available in your country." Almost ironic.
06:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: “I don’t speak whatever French this is” this is how France feel about Quebec and how Quebec feels about France
06:18 PM FinboySlick: It's mostly Paris, really.
06:18 PM FinboySlick: They do the same to the rest of France.
06:20 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight[m]: I assume you know Kids in the Hall too.
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh yeah they were great
06:20 PM FinboySlick: They're probably my favourite sketch comedy.
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7wwauv maybe this link works for you
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: late 90's early 90's
06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm crushing your head
06:22 PM FinboySlick: "Slipped my mind..."
06:24 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHkHGDLBYw0 is probably more accurate.
06:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I forgot about that one
06:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have to rewatch those
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rSBmOgpcDE this show finally caught on down here
06:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "put on some clothes" "I can't I'm french"
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsL_TAfQxH8
06:39 PM XXCoder: NEW CLICKSPRING VIDEO
07:02 PM XXCoder: damn amazing
07:18 PM roycroft: a real video or a clickspring short?
07:18 PM XXCoder: real
07:18 PM roycroft: awesome
07:18 PM XXCoder: clips happen often enough that id not post here constantly :D
07:18 PM roycroft: i'm leaving for dinner, but later tonight i'll catch it
07:18 PM XXCoder: spoilers:
07:18 PM XXCoder: its awesome
07:18 PM XXCoder: ;)
07:19 PM roycroft: i knew that already
07:20 PM XXCoder: :)
07:39 PM snakedLX is now known as snaked
11:27 PM XXCoder: roycroft: btw latest clip is awesome too
11:27 PM XXCoder: roman style oil lamp]