Aug 27 2021
12:56 AM snakedGT is now known as snaked
01:50 AM Deejay: moin
01:59 AM randy: morning
06:04 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:04 AM XXCoder: yo
06:12 AM Tom_L: morning
06:12 AM XXCoder: yo
06:16 AM JT-Cave: yo
06:16 AM XXCoder: lo
06:17 AM JT-Cave: should have yo ho ho lol
06:17 AM XXCoder: lol
06:34 AM Eric_: this is one of those times I wish I had a small manual mill
06:46 AM JT-Cave: I do a lot of things on the BP with the MPG and axis selector switch
07:05 AM Eric_: that's another sore subject
07:39 AM Eric_: I have what used to be Delta's top consumer grade drillpress and a nice x-y palmgren drill press vise
07:39 AM Eric_: But I do better freehand
07:40 AM Eric_: I think the table moves too easily even when it's locked down tight
07:40 AM Eric_: my client needed 12 holes drilled in a 1 1/4" tube and I told him to get a machine shop to do it
07:41 AM Eric_: of course he didn't. The whole experience was somewhat traumatizing
07:44 AM JT-Cave: for me with a drill press careful layout, a center punch, a spotting bit and sometimes a pilot hole work well
07:49 AM Eric_: There is something going on with my setup
07:50 AM Eric_: I used to have a crummy bench top delta and it worked better than this
07:53 AM Eric_: part of it is the vise is weirdly configured for a drill press with slots in the normal configuration
07:55 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, roguish[m] more work done on the gcode generator this morning https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/gcode/install.html
07:55 AM Eric_: I thought it was expensive, but it's $900 https://www.palmgren.com/product/369/Cross-Slide-Vises
07:56 AM JT-Cave: usually drill press spindle bearings are not the best for machining
07:56 AM * JT-Cave is off to the shower to start his chicken day
08:01 AM Eric_: I was just drilling holes
08:01 AM Eric_: no way the chuck would stay on with any side load
08:02 AM Eric_: xy is just for positioning. And hopefully holding position, but that part doesn't seem to work
08:14 AM CloudEvil: https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/pcb8it/diy_continuous_resin_printer/ 'I used a DLP projector with the UV filter removed, and yes it is sped up. It’s printing at around 280 mm/hr, full print time was just under an hour (the part was about 250mm tall)'
08:14 AM CloudEvil: it's awesome that all of the funding going into this industry, and the most important innovation so far (well, allegedly) is by some dude on reddit.
08:29 AM Eric_: Now I'm scared of those projectors
08:30 AM Eric_: I think it's great the patents on that tech have expired
08:32 AM Eric_: so the innovation is a spinning vat?
08:34 AM CloudEvil: Yes. It eliminates the 'stop exposing, raise bed to unstick print/reflow resin/lower bed
08:35 AM Eric_: How do you stop someone from patenting that?
08:35 AM CloudEvil: Actually being published on reddit helps a fairdeal
08:39 AM Eric_: 3d printers are a great example of the patent system holding back innovation
08:44 AM Eric_: after all that wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pi is now mounted on din rail
08:52 AM Eric_: I wonder if my dell mini tower I'm using for my mill would be happy upside down. From a thermal perspective
08:52 AM CloudEvil: Fans usually wholly dominate thermal effects.
08:53 AM Eric_: I might have to add fans to make it happy
08:53 AM Eric_: Which would be annoying
08:56 AM Tom_L: haha Eric_ i have one of those you can have if you come get it
08:56 AM Tom_L: xy table
09:08 AM Eric_: Tom_L, I don't need an xy table, this one seems to be causing trouble
09:08 AM Eric_: I'm thinking about mounting it to plywood
09:12 AM JT-Shop: messages?
09:13 AM JT-Shop: ok
09:13 AM Tom_dev: also
09:13 AM Tom_dev: i don't see the L word in G81
09:13 AM Tom_dev: G91 must be selected for the L word
09:14 AM Tom_dev: i use G81 in G90 mode all the time
09:14 AM * JT-Shop is off to foxy before it gets hot
09:28 AM Roguish: looking like 99 and smokey today.... oh joy
09:28 AM Roguish: tommorow 100+ and more smoke.............. cough, cough, cough............
09:29 AM Tom_L: 96F here
09:30 AM Eric_: I would have to ask the doc for more prednisone if it were 100 with smoke
09:31 AM Roguish: ooooh, vitamin P. the sledge hammer of drugs.
09:32 AM Eric_: usually it's just smoke. I had to get a prescription when we went to vegas because of cigarette smoke
09:33 AM Eric_: can't even go outside
09:36 AM Roguish: asthma?
11:30 AM Eric_: a scammer called my cellphone from exactly the right spoofed number yesterday at exactly the right time so I answered
11:30 AM Eric_: since then I have gotten 3 scammer calls on my cellphone
11:31 AM Eric_: there is only one local exchange I would have answered and they used it
11:57 AM roycroft: welcome to america
11:59 AM Eric_: it was my fault
12:23 PM JT-Shop: so paypal's latest way to fuck you is if your "claim rate" is over 1.5% of your sales you pay a fine even if the claim is denied!
12:24 PM Tom_L: times are hard...
12:25 PM Tom_L: they gotta do something to stay afloat
12:27 PM JT-Shop: why do you use G43 Hn?
12:27 PM Tom_L: i've always used it that way
12:27 PM Tom_L: it is possible to specify a different H word other than the tool number
12:28 PM Tom_L: i never have
12:29 PM Tom_L: it was that way in my post so i just left it alone
12:30 PM JT-Shop: interesting, so you do a Tn M6 G43 Hn? or just G43 Hn?
12:30 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:31 PM Tom_itx: N6 G43 Z1.0 H08
12:31 PM Tom_L: some controls require it to be during a linear move
12:32 PM Tom_itx: N3 T8 M06 (0.1875 3/16" 3 FLUTE 60 DEG END MILL)
12:32 PM Tom_itx: N4 S3500 M03
12:32 PM Tom_itx: N5 G54 G17 G20 G00 G90 X0.0 Y0.0
12:32 PM Tom_itx: N6 G43 Z1.0 H08
12:32 PM JT-Shop: you do a move on the tool change line?
12:32 PM Tom_L: there's the whole clip for tha tool
12:32 PM Tom_L: no
12:32 PM JT-Shop: what does Z1.0 do on the G43 line?
12:33 PM Tom_L: the rapid is set the line above
12:33 PM Tom_L: it moves to the 'clearance plane'
12:33 PM Tom_L: on that move
12:33 PM Tom_L: then starts feeding from there
12:34 PM Tom_L: actually the clearance plane is a couple lines further down
12:34 PM JT-Shop: I don't see a feed move
12:34 PM Tom_L: G00
12:35 PM Tom_L: on N5
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N1 G90
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N2 G53 G00 Z0
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N3 T8 M06 (0.1875 3/16" 3 FLUTE 60 DEG END MILL)
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N4 S3500 M03
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N5 G54 G17 G20 G00 G90 X0.0 Y0.0
12:35 PM JT-Shop: that's a rapid move
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N6 G43 Z1.0 H08
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N7 X0.1553 Y-0.2899
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N8 G00 Z-0.6813
12:35 PM Tom_itx: N9 G01 Z-1.0 F7.9
12:35 PM Tom_L: there's up to the first feed move
12:36 PM Tom_L: there could be a couple redundant moves there but it's about as close as i can get the post
12:36 PM JT-Shop: looks confusing to me so many redundant g codes
12:37 PM Tom_L: N5 would recover from a mdi if you were in another mode there
12:37 PM Tom_L: i don't assume any defaults
12:40 PM Tom_L: most of my z feed moves are half the normal feedrate
12:41 PM Tom_L: unless it's a drill or such
12:46 PM Tom_L: i see a redundant G90 there too
12:46 PM Tom_L: may have to review the post again
12:47 PM Tom_L: sometimes the post variables don't get reset after they're output depending on the section they're in
01:03 PM JT-Shop: hmm I think I have the plc ladder done for the copy lathe, ran everything in manual this morning
01:18 PM Tom_L: nice
01:21 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, do you do those graphically or written code?
01:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CloudEvil: only new to those not paying attention, Autodesk had the rotating vat nearly 8 years ago, I've been printing faster than that without a rotating vat for >10 years
01:27 PM CloudEvil: oops
01:27 PM CloudEvil: :)
01:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 1cm/minute for Z build rate is old news
01:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the market is just flooded with those slow bottom projection LCD printers for $200 that everyone is used to now
01:29 PM CloudEvil: :)
01:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: on the commercial printer side everyone is now being brain washed that Multi Jet Printing is the darling
01:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: scanning inkjet heads with UV photopolymers that bind a powder in a bed
01:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDIAtU65M6Y&t=26s
01:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: slower than DLP since inkjet has to scan vs cure a plane at a time
01:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hell DLP with powder bed is faster
01:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: printers are >$100K
01:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and materials prices are kept high, 10X the price of raw materials
01:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so it can't compete with injection molding unless you make/blend your own materials
01:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nylon in pellet form $2/lb, nylon in powder form $50-100/lb
01:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: photopolymers for inkjet $200-400/L, raw materials $2-10/L
01:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: imagine CNC if vendors locked you into their machines and materials
01:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: steel would be $100/lb
01:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: aluminum $200/lb
02:13 PM Eric_: even the generic powders are expensive.
02:14 PM Eric_: maybe not the vendors on ebay, but who knows what's in that stuff?
02:17 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, ladder is graphical but I've done straight code before
02:32 PM Roguish: smokey here. https://www.purpleair.com/map?opt=1/mAQI/a10/cC0#11/37.8929/-122.0739
02:32 PM Roguish: i'm pretty much at the center of that.......
02:33 PM Roguish: Lake Tahoe https://www.purpleair.com/map?opt=1/mAQI/a10/cC0#10.3/39.0702/-119.9267
02:36 PM JT-Shop: what is that?
02:37 PM Roguish: air quality. particle count. green good. purple very bad
02:37 PM Eric_: I wonder what the red spots on the east coast are, traffic jams?
02:37 PM JT-Shop: wow
02:38 PM JT-Shop: https://www.purpleair.com/map?opt=1/mAQI/a10/cC0#8.28/36.614/-90.24
02:38 PM Roguish: not many sensors in your area JT.
02:39 PM Roguish: wow, you are just a spit from the Mississippi
02:39 PM Eric_: we're at 62, whatever that means
02:39 PM JT-Shop: even closer to Arkansas lol
02:39 PM Eric_: we were getting smoke from Canada. Thanks canada
02:40 PM JT-Shop: we go to a winery on the river often
02:40 PM Roguish: 62 is not too bad
02:40 PM JT-Shop: been uploading debs for gcode generator, you check any out?
02:41 PM Roguish: did my 30 mile bike ride earlier today. definitely felt the smoke.
02:41 PM JT-Shop: too hot to ride here
02:41 PM Roguish: it was ok earlier. too hot now.
02:42 PM Roguish: ok, here's another one... net work of personal weather stations... https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=37.785&lon=-122.422&zoom=8&radar=1&wxstn=0
02:43 PM Roguish: here's mine up on the roof.. https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KCAWALNU149
02:46 PM Roguish: here's the guy I ride with. scroll down to the middle of the page and check out the peg leg.. http://www.doryselinger.com/index.html
02:47 PM JT-Shop: until I get unlimited data I can't have anything like that.
02:47 PM Roguish: when's that to be
02:48 PM JT-Shop: well obumble promised it...
02:48 PM JT-Shop: still don't have it
02:48 PM Roguish: hell may freeze over too........
02:48 PM JT-Shop: fiber runs down the highway 1.6 miles from my house but it's not connected to anything...
02:48 PM Roguish: and pigs fly supersonic
02:49 PM JT-Shop: I doubt that it's just too hot outside
02:53 PM Roguish: JT-Shop, got a good one. one of Cal state legislators want to build a pipeline to the Mississippi for water...........
02:54 PM Eric_: I was trying to remember what they call it when it's too hot to fly, temperature altitude
02:54 PM Eric_: happens at Denver sometimes
02:55 PM JT-Shop: Roguish, bolder dam is closer lol
02:55 PM Eric_: wasn't supposed to get above 80 today, we were lied to
02:57 PM Eric_: boulder dam has its own problems, no water in the Colorado
02:58 PM Roguish: The problem out here really is not a water shortage, it's just tooooo may people.
02:59 PM Roguish: there was enough water when Cal had half the current population, and half the current farming. But not any more.
03:06 PM Eric_: so nice there. I used to consult in camarillo and going there in the winter was great
03:06 PM roycroft: that's the problem everywhere in the world
03:06 PM roycroft: until we get the excessive breeding under control solving our other problems is going to be very difficult
03:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: too much me and I
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: China is going from one child to three children per family
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they aren't concerned about population growth
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: immigrants to the USA have been doing similar to "stick it to the white man" for decades
03:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there is no shortage of water, we just need to move to a salty version
03:19 PM CloudEvil: CaptHindsight[m]: 'cyanide salts are fine too'
03:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: evolve, adapt, improvise
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: too much whinin
03:23 PM Eric_: I can't imagine giant pipelines are at all economic
03:24 PM Eric_: I thought everyone in Ca was moving to Tx. But not fast enough, I reckon
03:25 PM CloudEvil: Eric_: the people pipeline is too small.
03:25 PM Eric_: it has been enough that everyone in texas is whining about it
03:40 PM JT-Shop: stupid propane company has deactivated a bunch of accounts starting with r t and w... what a pia
03:43 PM Eric_: probably where our old IT guy got a job
03:44 PM Eric_: one day he wrote a script that changed everyone's password
03:48 PM Rab: https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/cleveland-off-grid-skoolie-thomas-built/7370514378.html
03:48 PM Rab: Superb taste in mobile shop machinery, although $20K extra for the shop is a bit much.
03:51 PM Rab: Suspiciously clean, so either the shop was rarely used or (quite possibly) the owner was just that kind of maniac.
03:52 PM CloudEvil: $20K for a shop you can have up and running today, so ...
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "So my friend is looking for business parnter that has some knowledge or experience CNC machines. The business can/will be relocated. The business parnter will own 50% of the business with around 75k down. Does not have work full 40 hours. Can be less. He just needs some one that knows the machines and industry. He has the basic conpcet down but needs a pro as a parnter.
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I know I wrote a lot. Let me know if you have any questions
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: The business does 1 million gross already"
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sound legit :)
03:53 PM Eric_: Cap'n did you get that in an email?
03:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: post on reddit
03:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://images.craigslist.org/00A0A_cZpJpV6skhnz_0t20CI_1200x900.jpg QUESTION: Is this extra storage for the toilet?
03:55 PM Rab: CaptHindsight[m], the little baskets?
03:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: poop containers, sure, baskets
03:56 PM Rab: Dung is a precious resource in the postapocalyptic outback.
03:57 PM Rab: It's either that, or convert your machine tools to overhead belt and capture someone to do the pedaling.
03:57 PM Eric_: My wife wants an RV, maybe I should tell her about this one
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can you close the bathroom door while sitting?
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe you face the window
04:00 PM Rab: https://www.skoolielivin.com/classified/2003-thomas-saf-t-liner-off-grid-skoolie-for-sale-ohio/
04:00 PM Eric_: details, details
04:00 PM Rab: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipN3WVyIvrHGw7tXEreBj9ACndhUUnOgTpoADZBpjZPmUFF7_VvhRIa2xHFNM0G7WQ?key=R041M2xCVVloMVN6UHBTSThKcEZlMTBxNFltajdB
04:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Can I own 100% of the business with $150k down?
04:00 PM Rab: Nowhere in this alleged 150-photo album do I see any pictures of tooling.
04:01 PM Rab: "This listing has had a lot of interest, which I had not anticipated. The machine shop in the back has gotten zero interest, which I had anticipated."
04:01 PM Eric_: heh
04:01 PM Eric_: are there pics of the contents of the toolboxes
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the machine shop can be replaced with 3d printers
04:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mobile cosplay accessories factory
04:03 PM Eric_: there isn't 20k worth of shop
04:03 PM Eric_: unless I'm missing something
04:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: his rate to remove the shop is $25K
04:04 PM Rab: Yes, I see $5K of machine tools at Craigslist prices.
04:04 PM Eric_: yeah, that makes sense, costs more to remove
04:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Lincoln Electric square wave 200 inverter TIG welder (will be removed with shop)
04:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: -Tool boxes are Mac Tools and Kennedy, all US made (will be removed with shop)
04:05 PM Eric_: welder might be the most expensive thing in the shop
04:06 PM Eric_: just needs to admit he paid too much for all of it
04:06 PM Rab: Seems like this person: https://www.thecrucible.org/crucible-carmen-gambino/
04:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can convert the shop to larger walk in shower and sauna
04:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or one of those stationary training pools
04:07 PM Eric_: he would have gotten more money from the bus if he did that to start
04:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mobile swim lassons
04:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: lessons
04:07 PM Eric_: I'm surprised I don't recognize the name
04:08 PM Eric_: nominally a bicycle framebuilder, there are only a few of us, even the pretenders
04:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i can't name a single hipster
04:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wild guess there might be a Bob
04:10 PM Rab: It's interesting that the Rockwell mill is from 1981, and the Myford lathe is 1982, and those are both very late in production for those models. I wonder if he inherited the shop from a wealthy relative who built it up new in the early 1980s.
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: swap the machines of a bearing grinder
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: of/for
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: advertise delivery of hot and fresh bearings right to your door
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or bearings while you wait
04:20 PM Rab: "Off-grid" is a big selling point, but I bet the machine shop doesn't work off-grid. :D
04:22 PM Tom_L: Rab, pedal power
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just add a solar panel :)
04:47 PM roycroft: the amish are off grid
04:47 PM roycroft: they operate machine shops
04:47 PM roycroft: all you need for that is a diesel generator
04:47 PM Roguish: Fred Flinstone power....
04:48 PM roycroft: and my father pronounced them "aimish"
04:48 PM roycroft: but he also said "eyetalians"
04:49 PM roycroft: and i won't discuss the terms he used for east asians generally, and chinese people specifically
04:49 PM roycroft: i'm not sure why i was just reminded of that
04:49 PM Roguish: yeah, better to let it alone.... same for my grandmother from WVa
04:50 PM roycroft: he mispronounced our state as well, but most people did
04:50 PM roycroft: he pronounced it "ellinois"
04:54 PM Roguish: out on my ride this morning. got passed by a Rolls Royce suv
04:54 PM XXCoder: lol https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/cleveland-off-grid-skoolie-thomas-built/7370514378.html
04:54 PM Roguish: if ya got lots of money, spend it. the flow of money makes the world go round
04:55 PM XXCoder: oh rab linked top it already
04:55 PM roycroft: did you ask if they had any grey poupon as they were overtaking?
04:55 PM Roguish: na
04:56 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight[m]: it has 4 solar panels
04:56 PM XXCoder: need new ones though lol
05:04 PM Eric_: Around here, it's hard to tell the mennonites from the Amish. Mennonites are a lot more modern
05:04 PM Eric_: depending on the local head dude
05:05 PM Eric_: I think all the sawmills are Mennonite
05:05 PM Eric_: anyway, I usually just say "Anabaptist" and leave it at that
05:11 PM roycroft: the mennonites aren't so off-griddy as the amish
05:11 PM roycroft: at least the ones who live around here
05:40 PM XXCoder: "“One person bought 15 of the tubes of paste for horses,” she said. “One tube treats a thousand pounds of horse. So I’m not sure what they plan to do with it.”"
05:40 PM XXCoder: sigh
05:44 PM JT-Shop: treat 15 horses...
05:44 PM JT-Shop: The American Quarter Horse weighs between 900 and 1250 pounds.
05:44 PM XXCoder: yeah though in this case that person dont own any
05:45 PM JT-Shop: odd
05:45 PM XXCoder: yeah. people is trying to "treat" covid using horse dewormer
05:47 PM JT-Shop: LOL, that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day
05:47 PM XXCoder: agreed.
05:47 PM XXCoder: by same people who call vaccined people sheep, unfortunately. and theyre taking animal meds
05:47 PM JT-Shop: they are better off bathing in camel dung...
05:49 PM JT-Shop: didn't have any 3/16 x 3/4 so a redesign for 3/16 x 1
05:49 PM JT-Shop: I try and use what I have on hand
05:49 PM XXCoder: nice
05:50 PM JT-Shop: for small projects I rarely have to buy material
05:52 PM Tom_L: that's odd
05:52 PM Tom_L: when i add dimensional info () at the top of the file it adds a G90 and when i don't it leaves it out
05:53 PM Tom_L: you got me wondering about my template :)
05:53 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside to start some jambalaya
05:54 PM JT-Shop: I took a brief look at adding line numbers...
05:54 PM Tom_L: they're not necessary, i just do it for me
05:54 PM JT-Shop: I know
05:55 PM Tom_L: i fault on the side of caution on my post too
05:55 PM JT-Shop: the only page that makes sense to add them is the gcode tab if possible
05:55 PM Tom_L: the only _real_ issue i found was that comment added to the next tab
05:56 PM Tom_L: the rest is just nit picking
05:56 PM JT-Shop: fixed that
05:56 PM Tom_L: i figured you reused a var or something
05:57 PM Tom_L: that and i've never use the L option on any canned cycles
06:09 PM Eric_: Tom_L, you think the usb cable will power my mesa enough to drive a stepper drive?
06:09 PM Tom_L: doubtful
06:10 PM Tom_L: you wouldn't be powering the steppers with it but other io may cause it to draw more than USB is rated for
06:10 PM Tom_L: i'd get a cheap SMPS 5v reg
06:10 PM Eric_: I would just be driving two optoisolators on the drive
06:11 PM Tom_L: try and see, i dunno
06:11 PM Eric_: okay, I just wondered if you tried it
06:11 PM Tom_L: i don't think for a permanent design i would rely on that
06:11 PM Tom_L: i use it for bench testing
06:12 PM Eric_: no, just to watch something move real quick
06:13 PM Tom_L: just can't wait ehh?
06:13 PM Eric_: every time I go into the storage area to find something like a power supply, I get distracted
06:13 PM Tom_L: put blinders on
06:14 PM Eric_: actually the last time I went in there looking for power supplies, there was water in the box with the psu's
06:14 PM Eric_: Still a mystery, but it wasn't on the floor
06:22 PM skunkworks: so - does anyone know of a terminal program that allows you to split input vs output?
06:22 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, explain?
06:23 PM Tom_L: i wrote a comm to capture both sides to a file once
06:23 PM Tom_L: but it's dos
06:23 PM skunkworks: Packet radio.
06:23 PM Tom_L: doubt that would help
06:24 PM skunkworks: The neighbor remembers a terminal program that split the input vs output so that typing made sense.. (if I am explaining it right)
06:24 PM Tom_L: mostly
06:26 PM Tom_L: bad comparison but would that be like half full duplex?
06:28 PM Tom_L: https://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Packet/
06:29 PM Tom_L: packet terminal interface indicates 2 screens
06:32 PM Tom_L: possibly hamscope
06:32 PM Tom_L: i'm also guessing you'd prefer a linux version
06:51 PM roycroft: ka9q used to do that
06:51 PM roycroft: but it was dos-based
06:52 PM roycroft: wow
06:53 PM roycroft: phil karn is still around
06:53 PM roycroft: or at least his website is still around
06:58 PM Tom_L: ok i think G53 errors if it's in incremental mode
06:58 PM Tom_L: that's the redundant G90 i have at the top of the file
07:01 PM Tom_L: the post has no way to know the machine state
07:05 PM skunkworks: Thanks!
07:05 PM Tom_L: help?
07:05 PM Tom_L: dunno much about packet radio :)
07:06 PM skunkworks: nor do I - he got back into it... I guess there is a thing again
07:06 PM skunkworks: I guess it is a thing again
07:07 PM Tom_L: yeah well bell bottoms & tiedie will make a comeback someday
07:23 PM roycroft: tie dye has never gone out of style
07:23 PM Tom_L: :)
07:24 PM roycroft: the old hippies begat young hippies, who begat another generation of young hippies, who are now begetting yet another generation of hippies
07:24 PM roycroft: and the tradition of tie-dye has passed down from generation to generation
07:25 PM * roycroft is wearing a tie-dye t-shirt right now
07:31 PM Tom_L: ok i think i fixed the redundant G90
10:39 PM skunkworks: Got a 5700g system - very happy. It's onboard graphics is more than fast enough for what I want...