#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 20 2021

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01:08 AM Deejay: moin
01:59 AM randy: morning
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02:31 AM Rhine_Labs: I would say that the fluke agrees with the siglent to its resolution.. https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210819_2145231-300x169.jpg
03:55 AM Eric_: that's a lot of zeros
03:55 AM Eric_: The dogs think I should feed them, but it's 2 hours early.
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05:31 AM Eric_ is now known as unterhausen
05:31 AM unterhausen: fixed the dryer again
05:31 AM unterhausen: If the front cover never goes back on, is it time for a new dryer?
05:35 AM Contract_Pilot: Apliance reapir is not fun sometimes
05:36 AM XXCoder: sometimes?
06:06 AM unterhausen: I fix this thing at least every other month. If we had to pay, it wouldn't be worth it
06:19 AM unterhausen: today it was an overheat sensor, might have to clean the flue
06:24 AM unterhausen: google can't find a sheet metal sanitary tee
06:27 AM unterhausen: maybe it's a full flow tee
07:20 AM unterhausen: might have to make some stuffed hot peppers.
07:26 AM Contract_Pilot: I do all my own repairs...
07:30 AM Contract_Pilot: Crap like this.. Still ahve not gone back in and replaed the relay sitting in my LOL https://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=3778 luckley there was a schematic in the top right corner door cap.
07:32 AM unterhausen: we had one of the refrigerators where the defrost drain would clog. The fix was to run a wire from the heater coil to the drain. About once a year it would get clogged again though
07:32 AM Contract_Pilot: Located the issues on that in a few min believe wife tossed the schematic LOL was on very very thin paper.
07:32 AM unterhausen: they sold a $15 repair kit that was a formed piece of copper, but all of the repair guys just used wire
07:33 AM Contract_Pilot: My deep freez about every dam year thing gets clogged
07:33 AM unterhausen: I want to go ride my bike in the woods, doctor would say no
07:34 AM Contract_Pilot: 2 stroke or sissy 4 stroke?
07:34 AM unterhausen: those freezer drains need to have a trap, but I think they probably should do something to keep it from freezing
07:34 AM unterhausen: we don't need no steeking motors
07:37 AM Contract_Pilot: Fuel = Fun..
07:37 AM Contract_Pilot: My uncle had a MX race team or somthign http://blog.wiseco.com/factory-fire1-racings-mechanically-fuel-injected-yz250-two-stroke
07:37 AM Contract_Pilot: Has
07:38 AM Contract_Pilot: I know he build some wicked engines.
07:38 AM unterhausen: never been tempted. The husbands of all the women at my wife's work bought motorcycles at the same time. One of them almost cut his arm off high-siding his
07:39 AM unterhausen: there is only one trail in the woods near here where you can ride motorized atv
07:39 AM Contract_Pilot is now known as Rhine_Labs
07:40 AM unterhausen: I assume everyone trailers their bikes out there
07:40 AM Rhine_Labs: Ahhh Thaying to phase out the pilot nick.
07:41 AM Rhine_Labs: I live near the national forest so lots of trails
07:42 AM JT-Cave: a few years ago they completed a bicycle/walking trail near me with 26 miles of trails
07:44 AM Rhine_Labs: Portland across the river has lots of walking / biking trails now its all vagrants and trash
07:45 AM Rhine_Labs: Aug Bench Photo.. Now that the SDM3065X 6.5 Digit is back in its Place
07:45 AM Rhine_Labs: https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210820_0154371-1024x576.jpg
07:46 AM Rhine_Labs: Hope later today the FM203 arrives and i can nix the FX-951 and the FM-202 declutter it a little.
07:46 AM unterhausen: JT-Cave, when you think the din mounts will be up on the webpage?
07:48 AM Rhine_Labs: I need to print Tormach ECM Wiring make me a Harness...
07:50 AM unterhausen: on the forum where I moderate, someone posted they are depressed and having anxiety attacks. Go ride yer bike
07:51 AM unterhausen: seek help, but not on a bicycle forum
07:56 AM unterhausen: I was thinking fam went to the wrong beach, but it looks like the rain will be gone by mid afternoon
07:56 AM unterhausen: ocean city NJ
07:57 AM Rhine_Labs: Old Tractors.. https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210814_032053.jpg
08:03 AM unterhausen: that's some old tractors?
08:04 AM enleth: unterhausen: we live in a culture that treats mental health issues either as a joke or an unspeakable curse, it's likely the guy found it difficult enough to admit he's got a problem in a community of people he knows and trusts, possibly the only such community he has. Let it be for a couple of days so someone else might offer support and kind words the man needs, then gently steer him off the
08:04 AM enleth: forums towards a professional.
08:04 AM unterhausen: We don't allow covid threads and it quickly devolved into a fracas, so I deleted his thread
08:05 AM unterhausen: Many people had advised to seek pro help first though
08:05 AM unterhausen: He joined to post that thread, so not a regular
08:06 AM enleth: Ah, ok, that last bit is weird indeed.
08:06 AM unterhausen: Maybe he was a lurker, but from where he posted it he didn't really understand the character of the forum
08:07 AM unterhausen: My approach to that subforum is "ban them all"
08:07 AM JT-Cave: well the standoffs I got are 1mm shorter than the ones I used to get from china so I need to find some shorter screws...
08:08 AM unterhausen: okey, lmk
08:09 AM unterhausen: enleth, your point about mh is well taken, but we're not equipped to help much at that forum
08:10 AM unterhausen: my wife is a psychiatrist, so I too much experience
08:10 AM unterhausen: I have^
08:10 AM enleth: all right then
08:11 AM Tom_L: unterhausen, she got you figured out yet?
08:13 AM Rhine_Labs: I practically raisd this boy. https://charleyproject.org/case/trystan-gabriel-wilder
08:17 AM Rhine_Labs: Yea, old diaphram pumps sound like tracotors.
08:22 AM unterhausen: Tom_L, I think she gave up
08:23 AM unterhausen: Said, not my circus, not my clowns, or some such
08:24 AM unterhausen: I promised my doc I wouldn't ride over any mountains, but I'm just going to ride up one so if I have a serious asthma attack again I can just coast back down
08:25 AM unterhausen: plus, I won't get out of cellphone coverage this time
08:25 AM Rhine_Labs: I have a freind that rides weekly back and forth to seattle.
08:26 AM unterhausen: from Portland? I probably know them :)
08:26 AM Rhine_Labs: Portland to Seattle on a Bicycle... he is crazy
08:26 AM unterhausen: I told one of my randonneuring buddies that my doctor said only short rides and he said so 200km is okay then?
08:26 AM Rhine_Labs: Special shoes no pedles lol
08:27 AM Rhine_Labs: he spends $$$$$$ on his bike and parts.
08:27 AM unterhausen: I've heard it's not that great a ride if you take the most obvious route
08:28 AM Rhine_Labs: I5
08:28 AM unterhausen: yeah, not for me
08:28 AM unterhausen: There is a big group ride that does it every year
08:29 AM Rhine_Labs: He doies it weekly unless its snowing or flooding
08:29 AM unterhausen: If you ride on big roads, the sound of the detroit river gets to you after a while
08:29 AM Rhine_Labs: I like rivers have fishing pole in my truck and airplane
08:29 AM unterhausen: especially now everybody has those 4wd that they never take offroad
08:30 AM Rhine_Labs: H2
08:30 AM unterhausen: detroit river == tire noise
08:31 AM Rhine_Labs: thinking this for a spindle encoder. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33054547801.html
08:31 AM Rhine_Labs: New
08:31 AM Rhine_Labs: for the lathe not that i may hhave time this fall to work on it.
08:34 AM Rhine_Labs: ok, nap time..
10:48 AM unterhausen: there was a guy at the ski area with a snake tongs riding a 4 wheeler with a big metal can mounted to the front.
10:48 AM unterhausen: I guess the timber rattlers are really moving around looking for baby bunnies right now
10:49 AM unterhausen: this is why I don't want to live on the other side of main street
11:39 AM roycroft: so i'm still working on this lowerider-based router idea
11:39 AM roycroft: i've decided i do not want to have the gantry wheels running directly on the table, as there is t-slot in the table that i don't want to get rid of
11:40 AM roycroft: i'm thinking about some bolt-on side rails for the gantry guides, and perhaps using something like emt conduit as linear rails, with some v-groove wheels
11:40 AM roycroft: for a router, what kind of tolerences should i expect to have to keep to have it run smoothly and produce reasonably accurate parts?
11:42 AM roycroft: if i kept the linear rails parallel to within 0.010" would that work decently?
11:44 AM roycroft: the issues are that parts of this will be made of wood, emt conduit is just formed/welded and not precision ground, and i'll be installing and removing the rails every time i set up the machine
11:44 AM roycroft: dialing everything in to 0.001" is just not going to happen, given those variables
11:45 AM roycroft: i know that, and know that i don't need that, but i'm unclear as to how "sloppy" it can be and still function well
11:46 AM roycroft: the primary function of the machine will be to mill parts in sheet goods - mdf and plywood - and hopefully hold tolerances of 0.005" or so in the parts
11:47 AM JT-Cave: the dual z motors seems to be a waste of effort
11:47 AM roycroft: i could possibly use something like 20/20 v-groove rails instead of emt conduit, and those would be straighter, but i'd still have the paralellism issue
11:48 AM roycroft: i haven't even gotten to thinking about the z axis yet :)
11:48 AM roycroft: i'm still sorting the gantry rails
11:49 AM roycroft: https://openbuildspartstore.com/v-slot-20x20-linear-rail/
11:49 AM roycroft: that stuff is actually quite reasonably priced, and may make decent rails
11:49 AM roycroft: better than conduit
11:51 AM roycroft: i wonder if it's stiff enough, or if i'd need more like 40/40
11:52 AM roycroft: i'd probably mount it on some angle or wooden supports, and would not need it to be too stiff if that's the case
12:03 PM unterhausen: if the tolerances aren't great, there needs to be some compliance
12:20 PM JT-Shop: yea the first run in the VMC went as planned, now I can relax and let it run
12:25 PM Thorhian: I was wondering how familiar some of the people here are with larger commercial machines, like Doosan, DMG Mori, Mazak, etc? I'd like to pick your brains if you are familiar with any.
12:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just ask
12:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the questions have to be interesting enough to get answers
12:37 PM * JT-Shop thinks it's gloomy enough outside to take a nap
12:37 PM roycroft: i think i'd prefer to have dedicated rails for the gantry
12:37 PM roycroft: the lowrider design has the gantry wheels running directly on the surface of the table
12:39 PM roycroft: but i can't just set a lowrider on top of my router table - the gantry is belt-driven, and i have to attach the belts to mounts every time i set up the machine anyway
12:39 PM roycroft: that's what got me thinking that making rails forit would be a good way to go
12:40 PM roycroft: the main concern there being alignment, which is why i asked about tolerances
12:41 PM Thorhian: I've recently been investigating Mazak machines, and on multiple accounts I've read people complaining that they have "gone downhill" in recent years in different machining forums but they never say why. I was wondering if anyone was familar enough with Mazak machines to know what some of these people are talking about or if it's just people having opinions as usualy?
12:46 PM * roycroft does not know about the history of mazak machines, but is always suspect of internet opinions
12:48 PM perry_j1987: roycroft https://openbuildspartstore.com/openrail-linear-rail/
12:49 PM perry_j1987: thats what came to mind when you said you had t-slot bed aleady
12:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/174897664951 a beast
12:50 PM Thorhian: Agreed roycroft, hence why I'm asking. Mazak seems to be a decent machine builder along with the other big names.
12:51 PM perry_j1987: that would be fun to move into a basement workshop CaptHindsight[m] haha
12:52 PM Thorhian: That machine does look like a beast lol. Wish I had room and power for it lol.
12:52 PM Thorhian: Probably would have to do some TLC for it if I got it though.
12:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they are in the dream stages of selling it
12:53 PM Thorhian: Lol what?
12:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it might be worth the starting bid price $2k
12:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not the 7500
12:57 PM Thorhian: How much do you think it would be worth?
12:57 PM Thorhian: That thing is 8 metric tons lol. I wonder how much it would be worth in scrap alone.
12:57 PM perry_j1987: wonder what the moving costs would be
12:58 PM Thorhian: The seller is offering local pickup, so you would have to figure that out I suppose.
12:58 PM buzzmarshall: Mazak's as good a brand as Amada/Stripit-LVD/Trump as far as being made goes... i think alot of opinions are more based in personal preferences really more then anything else goes
12:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some only want a rigger to do the move so that is>$5k right there
12:59 PM buzzmarshall: Ive not got much experience on their mills but based on lasers or presses they are as good as most others
01:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's 18,000 lbs
01:00 PM Thorhian: Ah well I'm looking at their milling machines and automation solutions (like their giant pallet systems).
01:00 PM buzzmarshall: they are all a pain when it comes to parts and prices and software which is alot of what people complain about when they buy used machines and start complaining
01:00 PM perry_j1987: CaptHindsight[m] cant just pay bunch of buddies with beer and pizza to help you move ? :P
01:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: depends on what the shop has to move it around
01:01 PM buzzmarshall: Ya i cant help much there other then to say i know Trump and LVD have decent pallet systems for their presses and lasers
01:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and get it on a trailer
01:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: my matsuura is just shy of that and I've moved it quickly with just a tiltbed pickup truck
01:02 PM Thorhian: Lol those trucks are no joke.
01:04 PM Thorhian: You would have to drive there yourself though. That machine is in Wisconsin. I'd have to drive from Idaho and back to get it if I actually had a vehicle that could transport it.
01:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the mazak would require some disassembly
01:04 PM buzzmarshall: depending on what you have access to but its usually best to get a millrighting company with the right equipment to move it that way any damages should be covered if something gets bent or twisted while trying to move it
01:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2 hrs from me
01:05 PM Thorhian: Not for me lol
01:05 PM Thorhian: You go ahead and buy it Cap lol
01:05 PM buzzmarshall: new equipment is easy to move around as it partially disassembled but used equipment moving can cause issues with worn stuff depending on how the move is handled
01:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: buzzmarshall: if your budget has an extra $10k for them
01:07 PM Thorhian: I'm more interested in new Mazak machines however, not an old beast like that. Not gonna happen though for years.
01:07 PM buzzmarshall: ya it can be expensive at times but work is scare right now in some areas so millrighters and riggers sometimes take things on cheaper
01:07 PM perry_j1987: some times you just need to evaluate what parts your trying to make too, decide to make smaller products on smaller machines haha
01:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or a few pyramid builders
01:08 PM buzzmarshall: over the years ive serviced so much used crap especially amada stuff and unless your getting a real deal new is usually a better way to go if you can go that way
01:08 PM buzzmarshall: most used stuff your buying someone elses issues with in alot of cases
01:08 PM buzzmarshall: if you can do your own repairs then your ok
01:09 PM Thorhian: I think the two machines I'm interested from Mazak are the Variaxis-600C and the HCR-5000, but I'm not buying anytime soon.
01:11 PM buzzmarshall: that thing's 1990 so i can imagine the mileage on it and with a buy it now price at 7500 makes me wonder
01:12 PM buzzmarshall: if it was in real good shape it would go for more then that
01:12 PM buzzmarshall: the used equipment brokers around here would have snapped it up if it was worth that
01:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234142701740
01:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/123004604531
01:17 PM Tom_L: look pretty clean
01:19 PM Thorhian: If I bought a larger and more expensive machine it would be a 5-axis machine with a pallet changer and the groundwork layed for some sort of pallet pool.
01:20 PM Thorhian: If I wanted a smaller 3-axis machine it would probably be a Brother Speedio.
01:25 PM perry_j1987: here you go https://www.ebay.com/itm/373666812787 you can move it around with one hand
01:26 PM perry_j1987: perfect to take with you on your lunch breaks
01:26 PM perry_j1987: lol
01:27 PM Thorhian: XD
01:32 PM roycroft: https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/d/eugene-6x10-welding-table/7361852127.html
01:32 PM roycroft: that's an interesting welding table
01:34 PM roycroft: it's way too big for my shop, but it's kind of a clever design
01:34 PM buzzmarshall: haha... wheres the seat and steering wheel
01:45 PM roycroft: the steering wheel sticks out the end
01:46 PM roycroft: i suppose one could sit on top of the table to steer it
02:17 PM JT-Shop: unterhausen, I found enough of the taller standoffs to make 14.5 3.7 din rail mounts
02:26 PM satiowadahc[m]: Having a tough time with an RTAI install, does anyone have any tutorials or references for installing and setup?
02:41 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#cha:Installing-RTAI
02:43 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/2.8-rt/
02:43 PM perry_j1987: mmm grape nuts are tasty
03:08 PM satiowadahc[m]: Hmm I was trying bullseye maybe buster will work better
03:16 PM perry_j1987: time to head over to the shop and make some bushings to hold the tools to go into the tool holder block since the er collets wont arrive till next week now
03:16 PM perry_j1987: maybe just cancel the order if it works fine heh
03:17 PM roycroft: i'll not be doing much work in the shop until my mill controller board is back
03:17 PM roycroft: the mill is pulled out and the front of my shop is packed with machines such that i can't get to them
03:18 PM roycroft: my new wood lathe will arrive monday, though and i'll set that up on my workench for initial setup, where there is still room to work
03:30 PM JT-Shop: which one did you get?
03:30 PM roycroft: i got the nova comet ii
03:30 PM Thorhian: It's always nice having extra well made ER collets around perry
03:31 PM roycroft: there's a newer model that's a little nicer, but i got a really good price on the comet ii, and i don't expect to do all that much turning
03:31 PM roycroft: it should be fine
03:31 PM roycroft: i pulled my old lathe out yesterday and am cleaning it up so i can cl it
03:32 PM JT-Shop: did you find someone that stocks it?
03:33 PM roycroft: the comet ii?
03:33 PM JT-Shop: yea
03:33 PM roycroft: i ordered it from home depot
03:33 PM roycroft: rockler stock it, but they're 2 hours away, and their price is over $100 more
03:34 PM roycroft: this time i ordered for store pickup instead of home delivery
03:34 PM roycroft: so there will be no question about whether they delivered it or not
03:35 PM roycroft: oh, and i got a home depot credit card when i ordered it, and got an additional $50 off for that
03:36 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:36 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm pretty good at finding deals/discounts like that
03:36 PM JT-Shop: I don't think I'm going to finish the 150 3.7 din rail standoffs today... might be close
03:36 PM roycroft: i call it "frugal shopping"
03:37 PM JT-Shop: yep
03:38 PM roycroft: people see my stuff and tell me i must be rich to be able to afford it all
03:38 PM roycroft: i tell them that 1. i'm old, and have been collecting for a long time, 2. i take good care of my stuff, and 3. i get good deals on the stuff i buy
03:40 PM JT-Shop: yep collecting stuff for 40 years can add up
03:41 PM JT-Shop: I found some m3 brass standoffs that will work for the din rail card mount got 400 on order and they will deliver them sunday
03:44 PM JT-Shop: or I would be rich if I had not bought all this stuff lol
03:49 PM roycroft: when you get really old and cannot or do not want to play with your stuff any more, you can always have the mother of all garage sales
03:50 PM roycroft: i need to find the face plate and sanding disc for my old lathe, or else i'll have a hard time selling it
03:51 PM roycroft: even though that stuff is crap and should be replaced anyway
03:53 PM JT-Shop: local shop teacher some years ago had an auction of all his stuff and the basement was full of machines of all types
03:53 PM JT-Shop: I asked him why and he said he's done inventing
03:53 PM JT-Shop: he looked to be 85ish
03:55 PM unterhausen: JT-Shop are you going to put the din mounts on the website so I can order?
03:55 PM JT-Shop: yes, I was waiting on you to ack
03:55 PM unterhausen: okey
03:59 PM JT-Shop: you might need to refresh the page
04:01 PM unterhausen: okay, done
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: day 10 of Covid and not dead
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhausen: are you putting together that delta bot?
04:19 PM unterhausen: Well, maybe making it move for once, not sure if it's a priority
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what happened to Loet? we used to hear of his daily exploits and injuries
04:22 PM unterhausen: I mistakenly bought 3 7i96, so I have one for all my existing unfinished stepper projects :)
04:24 PM unterhausen: If I want to measure spindle speed, I should be able to use an H series timing belt as an encoder right? With a gear tooth sensor?
04:27 PM Tom_L: i used a GT2 on the encoder on mine but it's tiny
04:27 PM Tom_L: 3mm pitch iirc?
04:27 PM Tom_L: 2 or 3
04:28 PM Thorhian: 2mm I think for GT2. GT3 I think is 3mm.
04:32 PM unterhausen: h is 1/2" pitch I think
04:33 PM unterhausen: but it has a decent number of teeth
04:33 PM unterhausen: I could fairly easily mount an encoder, there used to be a tach
04:34 PM unterhausen: still is a tach, but it's in a box
04:34 PM unterhausen: I guess if a GT works then it would be easier to use an H
04:35 PM roycroft: he just shared one the other day, capthindsight
04:37 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Spindle/Encoder1.jpg
04:37 PM Tom_L: unterhausen,
04:37 PM Tom_L: those are both GT2 series
04:38 PM Tom_L: big one is 5mm
04:39 PM Tom_L: i had to recess the pulley to get it all to fit
04:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Spindle/Pulley1.jpg
04:41 PM Tom_L: Thorhian, both have various pitches, GT3 is a newer profile
04:41 PM Tom_L: harder to locate at least for me
04:42 PM Thorhian: Ah, I see. I use GT3 as my main belt between my spindle and motor. It's a 15mm wide one though.
04:42 PM Tom_L: i would have
04:42 PM Tom_L: mine is 15mm width but GT2 series
04:42 PM Tom_L: 5mm pitch
04:42 PM Thorhian: I used Misumi.
04:43 PM Tom_L: i couldn't find what i needed on sdp at the time
04:44 PM Tom_L: in GT3
04:51 PM roycroft: why do all the credit card issuers send multiple messages suggesting i lock my cards when i'm not using them, and then when i do so, they send me incessant nag messages "reminding" me that my cards are locked and that must unlock them to use them?
04:53 PM JT-Shop: 100 3.7 din rail mounts done, I'll do the rest tomorrow
05:09 PM roycroft: grr
05:09 PM roycroft: paypal are doing it again
05:09 PM roycroft: i can't log into my account until i enter a cell phone number and respond to a text message they send me
05:09 PM roycroft: which is impossible because i have no personal cell phone, and my work cell phone does not receive text messages
05:10 PM roycroft: and in order to call their support desk they want me to log into my account and get a pin number for the call
05:10 PM roycroft: "i can't log into my account"
05:10 PM roycroft: "then log into your account, get a pin number, and use that to open a support case"
05:10 PM roycroft: yeah
05:14 PM enleth: roycroft: what kind of cell phone or plan can't *receive* text messages?
05:17 PM roycroft: one that has them blocked
05:17 PM enleth: what for?
05:17 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruj3r2ZQsEA
05:18 PM roycroft: because i the way people abuse text messaging
05:18 PM CloudEvil: Are there virtual phone networks that onlysupport phone-over-wifi? (not SIP/...)
05:19 PM roycroft: i had text messaging briefly many years ago, and people would text me at all hours of the day and night, and get pissed off if i did not respond immediately
05:19 PM roycroft: so i had it disabled by the carrier
05:20 PM roycroft: and the number of people still texting while driving, even though it's a primary offense, and driving dangerously because of it, just makes me want sms to go away for good
05:20 PM roycroft: it's in the category of "useful technology that humans have never learned how to use responsibly"
05:21 PM JT-Shop: somehow my buddy can block text messages and calls when he is driving
05:22 PM roycroft: and while i preach that social problems cannot be solved with technology, i'm fine with disabling/eliminating technology when it's being abused like that
05:22 PM roycroft: jt-shop: i can always put the phone in airplane mode, and that takes car of the problem
05:22 PM roycroft: well
05:22 PM roycroft: it makes it so that i don't get the calls/texts when i don't want to
05:22 PM roycroft: but that's not the underlying problem
05:22 PM JT-Shop: I wondered what airplane mode was
05:23 PM roycroft: the underlying problem is that if people know i have an sms-capable device, and they text me, they expect me to respond immediately, no matter what, and get pissed off if i don't
05:23 PM roycroft: "i was driving and had my phone in airplane mode so i would not be distracted" is not a valid reason to them to not respond
05:23 PM roycroft: "it was 3am and i was sleeping" is not a valid reason to them to not respond
05:24 PM JT-Shop: that's crazy
05:24 PM roycroft: oddly, these same folks are ok with calling the cell and leaving a voicemail, and not getting a response until an appropriate time
05:24 PM roycroft: but they demand instant response of sms messages
05:24 PM * JT-Shop wanders out to the other shop to spread some T&T
05:25 PM roycroft: my boss is one of the primary offenders, but far from the only one
05:25 PM JT-Shop: LOL
05:25 PM roycroft: friends, girlfriends, coworkers
05:25 PM enleth: sounds like a bunch of bungs disguised as humans
05:25 PM roycroft: these people are all addicted to their phones and cannot comprehend that anyone who has a phone would act any differently
05:26 PM JT-Shop: everyone that knows me knows I don't carry my phone, if you don't leave a message I won't get back to you
05:26 PM roycroft: anyway, that's a rather long answer to your question
05:26 PM roycroft: but i think you understand my situation
05:27 PM roycroft: ebay are using their own payment system now
05:27 PM roycroft: pehaps it's time to just stop using paypal completely
05:28 PM roycroft: i personally cannot comprehend why anyone would *assume* that every single person on the planet has a mobile phone with sms capability
05:28 PM roycroft: call my land line with a code if you want to verify my account
05:28 PM roycroft: don't demand that i enter a cell phone number and insist on sending it a text message
05:28 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: interesting tool length sensor
05:29 PM roycroft: unless you want to give me a cell phone for free,and pay for a plan that permits me to receive text messages from you
05:29 PM XXCoder: roy hence the "obamaphone"
05:29 PM roycroft: in which case i'll accept the phone, but only ever use it to receive messages from you
05:29 PM roycroft: obamaphone?
05:30 PM XXCoder: nothing to do with him, since program is older than obama opresidence but yeah
05:30 PM roycroft: you mean the phones that the bush administration gave people?
05:30 PM enleth: roycroft: I am wondering now, are you extremely unlucky in this regard, or am I unusually lucky despite my age bracket being way more likely to exhibit the behavior you described
05:30 PM XXCoder: yeah phone aid, but at some point they figured cell phones is cheaper than hardline
05:30 PM XXCoder: hardline is going away
05:30 PM roycroft: enleth: i really don't get it
05:30 PM roycroft: i mean
05:31 PM roycroft: i'm the new elections secretary for the country fair
05:31 PM roycroft: a big hippie fair
05:31 PM roycroft: there are people from their early 20s to their 70s on the elections committee
05:31 PM roycroft: and every one of them communicates almost exclusively via sms
05:32 PM roycroft: they think i'm extremely odd for shunning the technology
05:32 PM roycroft: and perhaps i am
05:32 PM enleth: that kind of extreme expectation of answer to a text message is something I've never come across, even though most of my peers spend most of their life with a phone in one hand nowadays
05:32 PM roycroft: but the way cell phones are abused, it's not that i'm throwing out the baby with the bath water by refusing to use them
05:33 PM roycroft: it's that the baby was never there
05:33 PM roycroft: just the dirty bath water
05:33 PM roycroft: that's all there is
05:33 PM roycroft: i don't know that the committee members would expect that
05:33 PM roycroft: i just know that when i had text messaging virtually everyone i interacted expected that
05:34 PM roycroft: this was 15+ years ago
05:34 PM roycroft: but i should think that the problem has only gotten worse since then
05:36 PM roycroft: anyway, i should head off to find the parts for the lathe
05:36 PM roycroft: if i have them
05:36 PM * roycroft hopes he does
05:39 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder, tool length sensor?
05:40 PM XXCoder: yeah that pipe thing it measures before it starts milling
05:40 PM unterhausen: lube
05:43 PM JT-Shop: yeah that's tapping fluid, if I don't the form tap will get galled up in the 6061
05:44 PM JT-Shop: the program stops just before tapping so I can take the lid off, otherwise it would get full of coolant
05:44 PM JT-Shop: kinda slow but it works for me
05:45 PM XXCoder: ohh nice
05:46 PM XXCoder: didnt think of automated lubing
05:46 PM JT-Shop: now that the vmc is setup for din rail mounts I'll make some of all size before quitting
05:47 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/product/3-7din/
05:47 PM unterhausen: Tom_L did you think about using a gear tooth sensor?
05:47 PM JT-Shop: that's what I was making
05:48 PM unterhausen: I guess the advantage of an encoder is I have a box of them
05:48 PM unterhausen: would have to buy a gear tooth sensor
05:50 PM Tom_L: unterhausen, no because i had several of those encoders used
05:50 PM Tom_L: if you have a box of em, use em :)
05:51 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, cute oil dipper :)
05:53 PM JT-Shop: it screws onto one of the vise mount screws... hot glued a nut on it
05:54 PM Tom_L: is it one long bar you cut apart or are they precut and spaced in the vise?
05:56 PM JT-Shop: I cut 10 bars at a time, there is a vise stop in the middle of each vise
05:56 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/saw-stop/saw-cabinet-27.jpg
05:57 PM JT-Shop: I cut 150 yesterday afternoon for the 3.7" cards
05:57 PM * Tom_L was expecting a vise stop :)
05:57 PM JT-Shop: got 100 done today
05:57 PM Tom_L: lookin good
05:57 PM Tom_L: longer to swap than to machine
05:57 PM JT-Shop: thanks, took a long time to figure out the process
05:58 PM JT-Shop: that's just the tapping cycle, takes about 6 minutes I think for all 4 ops
05:58 PM Tom_L: you chamfer the holes for the tap?
05:59 PM Tom_L: or is that for the debur department...
05:59 PM JT-Shop: yea the op before tapping chamfers and counter sinks
05:59 PM JT-Shop: the debur department takes care of the bottom
05:59 PM Tom_L: if you wanna be trick, get a recess tool and do it from the bottom up
06:00 PM Tom_L: kinda like a single point tap only no helix
06:00 PM JT-Shop: the tapped holes are #35
06:00 PM JT-Shop: the big holes are 0.125
06:00 PM Tom_L: i bet one of those thread mills would do a small chamfer
06:01 PM JT-Shop: I bet I'm faster
06:01 PM Tom_L: probably
06:01 PM JT-Shop: I chamfer all 16 holes in a few seconds
06:01 PM Tom_L: i leave all that stuff laying out by the mill
06:02 PM JT-Shop: I didn't feel like going to Foxy today, rain and not feeling great this morning so I putzed with this today
06:03 PM Tom_L: my kid had a story to tell today
06:03 PM JT-Shop: ... waits for the story
06:03 PM Tom_L: 2nd shift commented out part of the toolchange on the zimmerman which caused the head to slam thru the machine side
06:03 PM Tom_L: they swore up and down that wasn't what did it
06:04 PM Tom_L: it has a laser that homes A & Y iirc before a tool change
06:05 PM Tom_L: he got into a heated discussion with the 2nd shift lead over it and before he left, reloaded the good program and they couldn't figure out why they couldn't reproduce the problem
06:06 PM Tom_L: so he showed them exactly what they did
06:06 PM Tom_L: the guys were sent to germany to learn the control too
06:07 PM XXCoder: why would guy comment out toolchange part?
06:07 PM Tom_L: so they ran the head at 2000ipm into the machine wall and left a scar
06:07 PM JT-Shop: wow
06:07 PM Tom_L: he swore up and down he knew what he was doing
06:07 PM Tom_L: but my kid knew better just by reading the gcode
06:08 PM Tom_L: it's got something like a 300" X axis
06:10 PM Tom_L: heads will roll over it i'm sure
06:10 PM JT-Shop: that's pretty big
06:10 PM XXCoder: big machine
06:11 PM Tom_L: i think there are only 2 in the US and they have both of them
06:11 PM XXCoder: so guy set it to travel more than that or what
06:11 PM Tom_L: they machine big parts like wing spars etc on it
06:11 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, it had not start reference to go from so it did a rapid to where it thought it was supposed to go
06:12 PM JT-Shop: ouch
06:12 PM Tom_L: they really do some stupid shit sometimes
06:12 PM XXCoder: so it dont have soft limit?
06:12 PM Tom_L: all machines have subroutines built in the control for toolchanges etc
06:12 PM XXCoder: or wasnt it homed yet?
06:13 PM XXCoder: some even expensive machines dont home for some weird reason
06:13 PM Tom_L: wasn't 'homed' i guess you could call it
06:13 PM Tom_L: big 5 axis gantry
06:13 PM XXCoder: wait so guy tinkered with machine routines?
06:13 PM Tom_L: yup
06:13 PM XXCoder: dangerous juju there
06:13 PM Tom_L: so it turned out to be yes
06:14 PM Tom_L: the other one, they had a problem with the spindle so they ordered a half million dollar spindle from germany for it to find out the other one just had a broken wire
06:14 PM unterhausen: I guess you can't lock out the guy you sent to Germany
06:15 PM Tom_L: and now they can't get the new one to work so they're gonna have to fly in the techs from germany to fix it
06:16 PM XXCoder: hope guy dont have chicken pox like we had one guy come in with it. bad case of shingles too
06:17 PM XXCoder: he was sent back to calfornia in emergacy
06:17 PM XXCoder: company hired someone to come in and serilize gaint machine guy was doing work on
06:17 PM XXCoder: left machine idle for few weeks
06:18 PM XXCoder: guy was hiding that fact, but he got caught
06:19 PM XXCoder: interesting. i wonder how long it would last in prod shop https://youtu.be/7UOCO6KWugQ
06:19 PM XXCoder: "clean, chip free machining"
06:20 PM Tom_L: does it use coolant?
06:20 PM Tom_L: probably not very long
06:20 PM XXCoder: dont look like it
06:20 PM XXCoder: demo so dunno
06:20 PM Tom_L: that big head would get in the way for alot of parts
06:21 PM JT-Shop: I see chips lol
06:21 PM Tom_L: i did too
06:21 PM XXCoder: spotted couple too
06:21 PM JT-Shop: chow time here
06:21 PM XXCoder: tom i guess they assume head will never go below part of milled part
06:22 PM Tom_L: let's not assume anything :)
06:22 PM XXCoder: indeed
06:22 PM Tom_L: ass u me
06:23 PM XXCoder: it would rock for router however
06:23 PM XXCoder: no enclosure and low height of milling
06:23 PM Tom_L: yeah maybe for that
06:23 PM Tom_L: i still see it getting all plugged up
06:23 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:25 PM Tom_L: https://www.f-zimmermann.com/en/gantry-machines/
06:25 PM Tom_L: gives an idea of the machine size
06:26 PM XXCoder: crazy
06:26 PM XXCoder: machines you can convert into bedrooms
06:26 PM Tom_L: all the parts they run on it are crane loaded
06:26 PM XXCoder: i want that wood car :P
06:26 PM XXCoder: https://www.f-zimmermann.com/fileadmin/_processed_/4/e/csm_Automotive_Schroeter_Modell_f5ab1bc137.jpg
06:27 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:31 PM unterhausen: those giant gantries are awesome
06:32 PM roycroft: well i'm impressed - i found all the lathe parts
06:32 PM Tom_L: yay
06:32 PM XXCoder: :)
06:32 PM roycroft: pretty good for something i bought about 20 years ago, used a handful of times, and then put in storage
06:33 PM Tom_L: but the question is, why are you selling one lathe to buy another one?
06:33 PM roycroft: because the one i have is too big and it's crappy
06:33 PM roycroft: the new one is smaller and much better quality
06:33 PM roycroft: the main reason i didn't use the old one much is because it was too big and needed to be bolted down to a solid bench to dampen vibration
06:34 PM roycroft: the new one is less than half the length and weighs almost twice as much as the old one
07:08 PM unterhausen: I was annoyed with how much work it took me to find my lathe parts. One of them was the indicator for cutting threads, so that would have been a bummer not to have. There is a plug for when you aren't using the indicator
07:32 PM roycroft: i was pretty pleased that i found these parts
07:32 PM roycroft: i bought the lathe about 20 years ago, used it a handful of times, and stored it
07:32 PM roycroft: the accessories were not stored with the lathe
07:33 PM roycroft: and have probably moved around several times in the last 20 years
07:33 PM unterhausen: roycroft, I found a way for you to spend money. Ron Brese is making kumiko chisels https://www.instagram.com/p/CSu7ivsrrOS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
07:34 PM unterhausen: He does nice work, but it doesn't surprise me to find out he's an engineer given his aesthetic choices
07:35 PM unterhausen: he was really nice to me when I was trying to figure out what wood to use in my infill
07:41 PM roycroft: i'm not sure what would constitute a "kumiko chisel"
07:41 PM roycroft: and i've given blue spruce toolworks plenty of my money for chisels
07:42 PM roycroft: i usually use my bench chisels for the kumiko pattern work though, and those are robert sorby
07:43 PM roycroft: i've also spent plenty of money on those
07:45 PM unterhausen: Did you follow my link? I think the advantage is that it's short. But also people just like his tools and there is some chance they never use them
07:45 PM unterhausen: He has a video of it in use
07:46 PM unterhausen: I really want to buy the world's best 5/8" chisel, but I can't decide what that would be
07:48 PM unterhausen: Here's the video. Makes me wonder if he's doing kumiko https://www.instagram.com/p/CSwa7Lbrfez/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
07:48 PM unterhausen: It really is a beautiful chisel, probably costs hundreds
07:48 PM unterhausen: couldn't find the price
07:49 PM unterhausen: okay, on the video link he explains what the differences are
07:52 PM unterhausen: JT-Shop any problems with my order? My email and my paypal email are different, but paypal didn't complain
07:53 PM roycroft: they are attractive chisels
07:53 PM roycroft: i've never used one, so i can't attest to their peformance
07:53 PM roycroft: i have some blue spruce paring chisels that have been on order since march
07:54 PM roycroft: i really hope i get them soon
07:54 PM unterhausen: Yeah, google employees working from home are to blame for shortages of nice tools
07:54 PM roycroft: they started a new treatment program - they are double tempered and cryogenically treated, and flattened to an insane degree
07:54 PM roycroft: the ones i've gotten from then in the past were pretty much ready to use out of the box
07:54 PM unterhausen: nice
07:54 PM roycroft: these are supposed to be even better
07:55 PM unterhausen: have you ever tried the veritas chisels, like V11?
07:55 PM roycroft: they cost me about $120 each, so it's taken me a while to get my set of paring chisels
07:55 PM roycroft: i have not
07:55 PM roycroft: i'd like to try their metals, and i have other veritas tools, but i just don't like the aesthetics of their chisels and planes
07:56 PM roycroft: i know many folks love them
07:56 PM unterhausen: Maybe I'll try a Blue spruce then, that sounds good. Throw it away once it needs to be sharpened
07:56 PM roycroft: and i'm certain they perform magnificently
07:56 PM roycroft: that would be the first day
07:56 PM roycroft: depending on what you mean by "sharpen"
07:56 PM unterhausen: I got a veritas plane blade. Like you said, the aesthetics aren't good
07:56 PM roycroft: i hone my chisels and plane irons pretty much daily when i'm using them
07:57 PM roycroft: i usually get plane irons from ron hock
07:57 PM roycroft: if you keep your tools honed, you very rarely have to resharpen them
07:57 PM unterhausen: I don't remember why I didn't buy a hock, maybe not available?
07:57 PM roycroft: his stuff is usually pretty available
07:57 PM roycroft: his website sucks though
07:58 PM unterhausen: The real problem with that plane was the chip breaker, so I got the combo deal from LV
07:58 PM roycroft: half the time when i need something i have to call him and he says "oh, yeah, i have that, but it's not on the website - i'll send you an email with the part number"
07:58 PM unterhausen: I hate that
07:58 PM unterhausen: for no good reason
07:58 PM roycroft: most of my planes are lie-nielsen
07:58 PM roycroft: it's ok
07:58 PM roycroft: ron's a good guy to chat with
07:59 PM unterhausen: I get that impression from online
07:59 PM roycroft: and maybe that's why he doesn't have a great website :)
07:59 PM unterhausen: can't get LN planes now either
07:59 PM roycroft: he likes talking to people
07:59 PM roycroft: yeah, they've been in short supply ever since the pandemic started
08:00 PM roycroft: i have a couple more planes that i want, and i've been on the waiting list for months for them
08:00 PM unterhausen: I have some great old Stanleys. Something about using a 100 year old plane appeals to me
08:00 PM unterhausen: I think my #7 is older than that
08:00 PM roycroft: i ended up getting an old stanley 112 scraper because the lie-nielsen is not being made these days
08:01 PM roycroft: but it sucked until i put one of ron hock's blades in it
08:01 PM unterhausen: the 112 not easy to get rn
08:01 PM roycroft: the old stanley bedrock planes are great, but the irons not so much
08:01 PM unterhausen: expensive
08:01 PM roycroft: i think i paid about $120 for the one i got
08:01 PM roycroft: and it's in really good condition
08:01 PM roycroft: no cracks in the tote, almost all the japanning intact
08:02 PM unterhausen: I agree, but they were good enough for the guys that originally owned the planes and they were better than me
08:02 PM roycroft: the sole had a little rust and pitting, but that's easy to deal with
08:02 PM roycroft: a bit of pitting just makes it easier to use
08:02 PM unterhausen: I wish the collectors hadn't discoverd bedrocks, but it's too late for that
08:03 PM roycroft: i absolutely love my brass #4 from lie-nielsen
08:03 PM unterhausen: I just use my #7 for everything
08:03 PM roycroft: it's the bedrock design, but since it's brass, it's as heavy as a stanley#4-1/2
08:03 PM roycroft: really?
08:03 PM unterhausen: hey, it works great
08:03 PM XXCoder: whats bedrock?
08:04 PM roycroft: i use my #5 for most things
08:04 PM roycroft: it's a plane design
08:04 PM roycroft: the really great feature of the bedrock design is that the frog can be adjusted without removing the iron and chipbreaker
08:04 PM XXCoder: oh
08:05 PM unterhausen: bedrocks vs. stanley is like lexus vs. toyota. They are both stanleys
08:05 PM roycroft: on most metal planes the frog adjustment screws are in the middle of the frog, underneath the plane iron
08:05 PM roycroft: on the bedrock the adjustment screws are on the back of the frog
08:05 PM unterhausen: That's an interesting feature, but I'm too simple-minded to not take it all the way apart
08:06 PM unterhausen: Only LN I have is the scrub plane. Which is amazing
08:06 PM unterhausen: Glad I bought it when it was cheap
08:06 PM roycroft: if you're in the middle of a job, and you have one plane to work with, you want to open the mouth so you can lower the iron and hog off a lot of material until you get close to the finished surface
08:07 PM roycroft: then you want to pull the iron back up and close the mouth so you can take thin shavings
08:07 PM unterhausen: That's why I have 2 #6 and 2 #7
08:07 PM roycroft: my scrub plane is eci, and it's wooden
08:07 PM unterhausen: and an uncountable number of #3
08:07 PM roycroft: with a european horn handle on the front
08:08 PM roycroft: and no adjuster - it's adjusted by tapping it, like traditional wood planes
08:08 PM roycroft: but it's an amazing plane
08:08 PM roycroft: and with a scrub plane, being lightweight is a feature
08:08 PM unterhausen: I've had bike frame parts on my wood bench for so long I am having trouble cleaning it off to plane
08:09 PM unterhausen: the LN/Stanley scrub plane design is pretty nice. I have seen the european ones
08:09 PM roycroft: https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/ecescrubplane.aspx
08:09 PM roycroft: tjat
08:09 PM roycroft: that is the one i have
08:10 PM unterhausen: I actually have a cheaper version of that I bought in the NL
08:10 PM roycroft: https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/ecescrubplanereplacementiron.aspx
08:10 PM roycroft: check out the radius on the iron
08:10 PM roycroft: that's way more radius than any other scrub plane i've ever seen
08:10 PM roycroft: and it has a huge mouth
08:11 PM unterhausen: I think the LN is similar probably
08:11 PM roycroft: i can take some really serious shavings with that
08:11 PM roycroft: is it?
08:11 PM roycroft: i thought it was a bit less than that
08:11 PM unterhausen: yeah, looking at it again it might even be more
08:11 PM unterhausen: it hogs out some chips, very satisfying
08:12 PM roycroft: the ln is certainly a lot more than the typical scrub plane, which is just a no. 5 that someone ground an arc into the iron
08:12 PM unterhausen: right. The narrowness is a benefit
08:12 PM roycroft: i don't use mine all that often but when i do it's great
08:12 PM roycroft: i'm not a hand tool person
08:12 PM roycroft: or a machine tool person
08:12 PM roycroft: i'm a whatever works best for the job person
08:13 PM unterhausen: I have a bias towards hand tools if they give me better control, but my tablesaw gets a workout
08:13 PM roycroft: my jointer and thicknesser do most of the squaring up work for me
08:14 PM unterhausen: thicknesser being a planer?
08:14 PM roycroft: i just don't see milling with hand tools when there machines readily available to do that
08:14 PM roycroft: yes
08:14 PM XXCoder: we have 3 very old planes from dad and grandfather
08:14 PM unterhausen: I don't use my planer much, but jointer yes
08:14 PM roycroft: i'm trying to bridge the pond gap when i speak of those machines
08:14 PM XXCoder: so its in very least 100 years old
08:15 PM roycroft: in the use we have a jointer to flatten boards and a planer to make the surfaces coplaner
08:15 PM XXCoder: (my dad would be 95 if hes still alive)
08:15 PM unterhausen: I just pick up my 100 year old planes and hope some of the mojo rubs off on me
08:15 PM roycroft: in the uk they have a planer to flatten boards and a thicknesser to make the surfaces coplaner
08:15 PM roycroft: so i choose not to use the term "planer" at all
08:15 PM unterhausen: the one power tool I really want is a wide belt sander
08:16 PM unterhausen: might have to get rid of my wood lathe to make space
08:16 PM roycroft: i use the us term for the first machine and the uk term for the second
08:16 PM unterhausen: what is it that the uk folk are calling a planer?
08:16 PM roycroft: xxcoder: those old planes can usually be tuned up and made to work really well
08:17 PM roycroft: what we call a planer they call a thicknesser
08:17 PM XXCoder: i guessed so yeah
08:17 PM roycroft: what we call a jointer they call a planer
08:17 PM unterhausen: If my grandfather had planes, they were kept in the shed and have turned all the way into rust
08:17 PM unterhausen: I have to buy other people's grandfather's planes
08:18 PM roycroft: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/products/scrub-plane-blade
08:18 PM unterhausen: Or probably great-great-grandfather at this point
08:19 PM roycroft: that doesn't look like as much curvature as my scrub plane
08:19 PM roycroft: theirs is a 3" radius
08:19 PM unterhausen: maybe not
08:19 PM roycroft: i should measure mine and see
08:19 PM unterhausen: it's enough to raise chips that are really thick
08:20 PM unterhausen: I don't use it much, that's why I have a jointer and a planer
08:25 PM roycroft: yeah, the ece is a 1" radius
08:25 PM roycroft: i was sure it was a lot tighter
08:25 PM roycroft: actually, it's probably a 25mm radius
08:25 PM roycroft: it's also narrower than the lie-nie
08:26 PM roycroft: it does take a while with the jack plane to make boards smooth after using the scrub plane
08:26 PM roycroft: but it's wicked fast, and so light it's almost effortless to use
08:27 PM roycroft: but as well, i don't use it much
08:27 PM roycroft: even on boards wider than the jointer
08:27 PM roycroft: i mostly use it when i'm trying to mill boards that are wider than my thicknesser that i don't want to cut up and glue back together
08:27 PM roycroft: which is not very often at all
08:34 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw5PffJQVu4
08:39 PM snakedGT is now known as snaked
08:42 PM unterhausen: Tom_L, those guys are pikers, the pros are using blades that are 6" wide
08:55 PM roycroft: wafa thin shavings, though
08:56 PM roycroft: i've never used a japanese pull plane
08:56 PM roycroft: i have owned, and still own, several pull saws, but as much as i would like to like them, i just don't
08:57 PM roycroft: i really prefer good quality western push saws
08:57 PM roycroft: but in fairness, i've never owned a japanese saw that can be resharpened
08:57 PM roycroft: and i know they are made
08:58 PM roycroft: that's one of my big issues - as soon as a tooth or two chips, the saw blade is useless and must be replaced
08:58 PM roycroft: and those blades are so hard and so brittle that they break teeth easily
08:58 PM roycroft: i don't like disposable tools
08:59 PM roycroft: i have a dovetail saw that has a plate that is 0.018" thick, and the teeth are set with a 0.002" rake
08:59 PM roycroft: it's as thin as almost any japanese saw
08:59 PM roycroft: and i can resharpen it
08:59 PM roycroft: and the teeth do not break
09:02 PM Rhine_Labs: RIP to a faithful friend today.. We met at the Store in Beverton Oregon in 1999 , Even after being locked in a closet for 12-13 years I could always turn you on and you would work till today!
09:02 PM Rhine_Labs: https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210820_1808571-1024x576.jpg
09:06 PM perry_j1987: look into whats wrong yet?
09:06 PM Rhine_Labs: Nope just Happned.. prob bad caps.
09:08 PM perry_j1987: aye was thinking with its age
09:08 PM Rhine_Labs: June https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/20210624_023014-1024x576.jpg
09:08 PM perry_j1987: and 12-13 years in closit time to dry out
09:09 PM Rhine_Labs: Yea, prob not gonna mess with it was plannign to upgrade soon.
09:09 PM perry_j1987: eh crack it open
09:09 PM perry_j1987: now im invested in knowing the outcome haha
09:10 PM Rhine_Labs: I think it got jealous!!
09:12 PM Rhine_Labs: Just got the Replacement SDM3065X from Siglent On the Bench yesterday. https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210819_2145231-1024x576.jpg
09:12 PM perry_j1987: looks like a nice one
09:12 PM perry_j1987: would love to be able to measure with tht many decimal places heh
09:13 PM perry_j1987: what stuff do you do
09:13 PM Rhine_Labs: Resolution is nice..
09:14 PM Rhine_Labs: All sorts of things..
09:15 PM Rhine_Labs: Only reason why i powerd the SA Up was for a photo op i guess it did not like being parts of a photo with bunch of Chinese and Japanese equipment.
09:16 PM Rhine_Labs: https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20210820_1809411-1024x576.jpg
09:18 PM perry_j1987: whats in the safe lol
09:20 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:27 PM unterhausen: I could have done without the "bonus" cheap speaker that came with my pi4
09:35 PM Rhine_Labs: Perry nothing..
09:39 PM perry_j1987: is that what you "have" to say lol
09:47 PM Rhine_Labs: I think its caps in the S/A looks like a nightmare to take appart.
09:48 PM Rhine_Labs: https://www.pa4tim.nl/?p=4522
09:54 PM perry_j1987: winter time project
10:20 PM Rhine_Labs: Maybe.
11:05 PM roycroft: tim t hall has left the building
11:05 PM roycroft: tom
11:21 PM Rhine_Labs: https://youtu.be/rn1T2J7QKK4
11:37 PM unterhaus: what did you do to get it to work, slap it?
11:50 PM unterhaus: windows was waiting for the pi installer to be done to tell me I needed to format my sd card
11:50 PM unterhaus: don't be so nosey, bill gates