#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 03 2021

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:05 AM enleth: perry_j1987: rinse in water, blow over with the air gun, apply light coat of WD-40 or some equivalent if part is steel
01:14 AM roycroft: i could not imagine not having one
01:15 AM perry_j1987: either of yours have that drain?
01:31 AM roycroft: the bigger one does
01:31 AM roycroft: the small one is only 1l - i can easily just pick the whole unit up to dump the water
01:32 AM roycroft: and i rarely put anything but plain water in the ultrasonic cleaner tubs
01:32 AM perry_j1987: no simple green?
01:32 AM roycroft: i put my simple green, solvents, whatever in a glass jar that i set in the water
01:32 AM perry_j1987: seems everybody uses simplegreen for everything in their ultrasonics
01:32 AM roycroft: and the parts go in the jar
01:32 AM roycroft: that keeps it so clean
01:32 AM roycroft: yes, simple green is what i use 90+% of the time
01:32 AM perry_j1987: ah
01:33 AM roycroft: if you get one make sure it has a heater
01:33 AM perry_j1987: k
01:34 AM roycroft: the cheap import ones on ebay work fine
01:35 AM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/174438333482
01:35 AM roycroft: my bigger one is like that one
01:35 AM roycroft: it's 20l
01:36 AM roycroft: the smaller one is like the 1.3l one in that listing
01:36 AM roycroft: maybe the smaller one is actually 1.3l
01:36 AM roycroft: anyway, they're a great addition to the shop
01:37 AM roycroft: and i would recommend getting a small one first
01:37 AM roycroft: if you like it and you end up using it a lot get a big one to go with it
01:37 AM roycroft: i'm not going to fire up a 20l cleaner for a few nuts and bolts
01:37 AM roycroft: or a single small part
01:37 AM roycroft: that's where the little one is really handy
01:38 AM perry_j1987: i have small parts
01:38 AM roycroft: if you have a number of them to clean at a time, maybe a 5l size would work well
01:39 AM roycroft: as far as reliability, i've had the small one for maybe 15 years, and the large one for maybe 7-8 years, and they both work as well as when they were new
01:39 AM roycroft: and i use them all the time
01:40 AM roycroft: so often that i moved them outside the shop into the lean-to shed next to the shop so i don't have to listen to them all the time
01:40 AM enleth: there's very little that can break in one as long as the ultrasonic transducer is firmly attached to the tub
01:40 AM roycroft: they sit on a bench right next to the vibratory tumbler, that i also don't want to lisen to
01:40 AM enleth: the switches are likely to be first thing to fail
01:40 AM roycroft: yeah, they're simple
01:41 AM roycroft: a transducer and a heating element
01:41 AM roycroft: and the electrics to control them
01:42 AM enleth: the transducer might destroy itself if it ever gets loose and no longer has anywhere to dump energy into, but all the ones I've seen were attached properly
01:43 AM roycroft: i see they've gone up in price quite a bit, as have all things made in china
01:43 AM roycroft: thanks to our former president, primarily
01:43 AM roycroft: but they're still a good value
01:44 AM roycroft: they pay for themselves quickly with the time and effort saved in cleaning parts
04:21 AM Deejay: moin
04:22 AM Tom_L: morning
05:16 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:38 AM Deejay: midday :)
07:46 AM JT-Cave: looks like pncconf just died in master
07:54 AM hazzy[m]: Uh oh
08:12 AM JT-Cave: yeah, chris did not keep up and he said it's not an easy fix
08:12 AM JT-Cave: I think gscreen is broken too
08:13 AM JT-Cave: master is python 3 only now
08:14 AM XXCoder: nice i saw python 3 earlier but wasnt sure if it was master
09:01 AM roycroft: python 3 has been around for quite a while now, but i'm not surprised that things are breaking
09:01 AM roycroft: folks don't like change
09:03 AM roycroft: i just had a web developer complain to me that our web server "does not support" flash any more, and his new updates don't work
09:05 AM roycroft: when i let him know that flash has been deprecated for years, adobe have not licensed any flash development utilties for years, that some mobile devices never supported flash at all, that adobe forced users to remove flash from their computers almost a year ago, and that html5 has been the standard that replaced flash for years, he told me he'd never heard of any of that, and that i was just making excuses for our web server being broken
09:06 AM roycroft: this guy must do his development work on windows xp or something
09:31 AM JT-Shop: IIRC he has to use a very old OS to edit the GUI part
09:34 AM * JT-Shop tries to remember to get another bottle of apple juice for the deer
09:34 AM CloudEvil: Cider?
09:35 AM roycroft: i don't think he's trying to get the deer drunk
09:36 AM roycroft: i could be wrong about that though
09:36 AM roycroft: some folks find entertainment in odd things
09:39 AM JT-Shop: no, just apple juice... I spritz it on her deer food
09:39 AM JT-Shop: where can I get peel and stick 20" sanding disc's?
09:45 AM Roguish: grainger? MSC ?
10:01 AM roycroft: the sky is orange to the east this morning, but no smoke
10:18 AM roycroft: jt-shop: i get most of my non-festool abrasives from pro.woodworker.com
10:19 AM roycroft: get a business account with them - pricing is a lot better
10:19 AM roycroft: they have aluminium oxide and zirconia alumina discs in 20"
10:22 AM roycroft: their prices are good, but the quality is way superior to most consumer-grade stuff
11:17 AM JT-Cave: thanks
11:18 AM roycroft: 2sand.com are another good option, but they only sell sanding discs in 10 packs
11:19 AM roycroft: i would recommend getting cloth-backed discs, in whatever abrasive material you wish
11:19 AM JT-Cave: ok
11:19 AM roycroft: they cost a little more, but are more durable, and if you want to wet grind, they hold up a lot better with the water
11:19 AM JT-Cave: my plan is to add a 20" disc to the lathe
11:20 AM JT-Cave: all dry grinding wood only
11:20 AM roycroft: aah
11:21 AM roycroft: they'll still be more durable, but you can compare pricing of paper vs. cloth and figure out what will be best for you
11:21 AM roycroft: i haven't used any of their psa sanding discs, but they claim they are fairly easy to remove
11:21 AM roycroft: i know the ones i've tried for my disc sander, which i got locally, are a royal pain in the butt to remove
11:22 AM roycroft: i'm going to order some from woodworker.com the next time i have an order to place there
11:23 AM roycroft: i've used the exact same abrasive as their psa cloth backed discs, but in a different form factor
11:26 AM JT-Cave: lunch minute is up...
11:44 AM Rhine_Labs: I have a Tormach EMC Board on the way for Repair.
12:09 PM Rhine_Labs: Ahh ECM1 V1.5
12:16 PM pcw_home: Bad board?
12:25 PM Rhine_Labs: Mesa Man Himself.. How ya been!
01:39 PM JT-Shop: wow menards emailed me the manuals for that old used sander I have
01:40 PM * roycroft can start making kumkio panels today
01:41 PM roycroft: btw, i get sanding strips for my drum sander from woodworker.com
01:41 PM JT-Shop: so x-weight for a disc sander?
01:42 PM roycroft: i would use that
01:43 PM roycroft: even though the psa is supposed to come off easy with the discs i pointed you to earlier, it's still a pain to change discs
01:43 PM roycroft: and you might tear through a j weight one fairly quickly
01:43 PM roycroft: paying a bit more for less maintenance seems a good plan to me
01:44 PM roycroft: and it's funny you mentioned that you're going to put a disc on your lathe
01:44 PM roycroft: i've never done much turning, but i have a really old 12x30 or so crappy harbor-freight class lathe
01:45 PM roycroft: i hardly ever use it, and in fact i store it hanging from the rafters in my fabrication shop because i don't have room for it
01:45 PM roycroft: but i've been thinking lately about getting a nice benchtop lathe for turning tool handles, drawer pulls, and the like
01:45 PM roycroft: and have pretty much decided to get one
01:45 PM roycroft: making round parts easily would be good
01:49 PM JT-Shop: aye the jet has a rotating head so I can face it to me and use something on the steady rest for a plate
02:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: SARS-CoV-2 fully denatures by >55C, so turn up your heat folks and enjoy!
02:40 PM CloudEvil: Or down your AC
02:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well its nucleocapsid protein by 55C, >70 C it inactivates almost instantly
02:43 PM Tom_L: yeah well i probably would too
02:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: lotsa minor issues with LCNC using microcontrollers/PRU's on the Opi's and Rpi's
02:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: crap firmware images, crap armbian images, poor implementation of the stepgen
02:59 PM roycroft: so i learned something very important at lunch today
02:59 PM roycroft: do not do electrial wiring with cloth braided lamp cord anywhere near a woodworking bench
03:00 PM roycroft: the braided cloth is like a strong magnet that attracts any wood chips in the vicinity
03:00 PM roycroft: and it does not like letting them go
03:01 PM roycroft: capthindsight: so that strong light i shine inside my body to reach where the bleach does not go should actually be a flame?
03:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, flame or stronger poison
03:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: *disclaimer, the previous was facetious
03:03 PM roycroft: oh, i should use my oxy-acetylene torch
03:03 PM roycroft: i think that's one of the hotter flames around
03:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well you shouldn't, but I'm not stopping some others
03:03 PM roycroft: 3350 degrees i believe
03:04 PM roycroft: actually, i think that swallowing some sodium metal would do the trick
03:04 PM roycroft: it gets kind of combusty when it gets dropped in water
03:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well medical professionals do suggest to limit your sodium intake
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: combusty people are a fire hazard
03:06 PM roycroft: the entire west coast is already a fire hazard
03:06 PM roycroft: sodium swallowers would not make that any worse
03:06 PM roycroft: and to be accurate, medical professionals suggest limiting sodium salt intake
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so the west coast must be covered in sodium
03:07 PM roycroft: if you keep the chlorine down, the sodium won't make salt with it
03:07 PM roycroft: so
03:07 PM roycroft: bleach OR sodium
03:07 PM roycroft: not both
03:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: science is hard
03:09 PM roycroft: now when that sodium metal reacts with the water it makes sodium hydroxide, which has its own attendant problems
03:09 PM roycroft: but one could probably neutralize that with a strong acid solution
03:10 PM roycroft: like the hydrocloric acid in one's stomach
03:10 PM roycroft: doh
03:10 PM roycroft: that would leave you with water and sodium chloride
03:10 PM roycroft: now we're back to saltiness
03:11 PM roycroft: maybe wear a mask and avoid unvaccinated people?
03:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: is there a bargain source for 1.5-2" Delrin rod out there somewhere?
03:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: people are selling drops for ~$1/in in that size
03:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Design 2 Part is this week here, Fabtech next month
04:15 PM perry_j1987: g'afternoon/evening
04:40 PM _unreal_: perry_j1987, something like that
04:48 PM * JT-Shop ponders where to place the drawer slides now that the last one is glued up
04:52 PM Tom_L: most are close to the bottom no?
04:52 PM Tom_L: makes it easier to remove them
04:52 PM Tom_L: them being the drawers
04:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: keeping them level helps
04:55 PM Tom_L: or mount one high and one low just to be different
04:56 PM Tom_L: that way you can't install the drawer backwards
04:57 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:58 PM JT-Shop: I'm thinking of mounting the outer casing bottom even with the drawer
04:58 PM roycroft: if i'm not using a 32mm grid i usually put them with the top of the drawer slide aligned with the centerline of the drawer side
04:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if they are different on every drawer then they can't be interchangeable
04:59 PM JT-Shop: I have 4", 6" and and 8" drawer
04:59 PM JT-Shop: that would work as well
04:59 PM roycroft: i just do it the way i do it for consistency
05:00 PM roycroft: i never have to think about it
05:00 PM roycroft: i just know how i do it
05:00 PM JT-Shop: makes sense
05:00 PM Tom_L: all the ones i've seen are bottom mounted
05:00 PM roycroft: there is no proper way to do it
05:00 PM roycroft: no single proper way, that is
05:00 PM roycroft: there are many proper ways
05:00 PM JT-Shop: that's a different kind of drawer slide that mounts on the bottom
05:00 PM roycroft: there are side mount drawer slides that must be mounted at the bottom of the drawer
05:01 PM JT-Shop: mine are full extension side mounted slides
05:01 PM roycroft: there are undermount drawer slides that mount underneath the drawer
05:01 PM roycroft: and there are the common side mount slides that can be mounted anywhere on the side of the drawer
05:01 PM roycroft: they'll even work mounted at different heights on an individual drawer, but that's a little weird
05:02 PM roycroft: or they can be mounted on the top and bottom if you have a vertical drawer
05:03 PM JT-Shop: I saw one under saw cabinet where he put a vertical drawer for saw blades... didn't make a lot of sense to me to waste that much space
05:03 PM roycroft: i usually set the carcase parts of the slides about 3/16" behind the face of the cabinet, and the drawer sides about 1/8" behind the face of the drawer, for flush mount drawers
05:03 PM roycroft: er, for full overlay drawers
05:04 PM JT-Shop: aye, I'm doing flush fronts for more fun
05:04 PM roycroft: that makes sure the drawer front can close flush with the face of the carcase
05:04 PM JT-Shop: that makes sense
05:04 PM roycroft: for flush mount you need more setback, of course
05:04 PM roycroft: and drawer stops to keep them from getting sucked in too deep
05:05 PM roycroft: i was just watching an old alan peters video where he was demonstrating how he does a piston fit for his flush mount drawers
05:05 PM * JT-Shop wanders out to the other shop to do some layout work
05:05 PM JT-Shop: a piston fit?
05:06 PM roycroft: you make the drawers about 1/128" too wide, and then take paper thin shavings to get it to just slide in perfect, with zero side play
05:06 PM JT-Shop: wow that's anal for sure
05:06 PM roycroft: if your drawers fit tightly enough in the carcase, closing a drawer quickly will cause the other drawers nearby to open a wee bit
05:07 PM roycroft: he's one of the finest furniture makers who has ever lived
05:07 PM JT-Shop: it's under the sawstop so 1/16" is good enough practice for me
05:07 PM roycroft: people expect perfection from him
05:07 PM JT-Shop: I'm more like Roy and bleed a lot LOL
05:08 PM roycroft: it takes a long time to be good enough to make piston fit drawers
05:08 PM roycroft: and it takes planes that are sharper than most woodworkers know how to make them
05:08 PM * Tom_L wonders what one would do with a round drawer :)
05:09 PM roycroft: they are often hinged on the side and swing out on the hinge
05:10 PM roycroft: it all depend on the design, but there are many ways to open drawers besides pulling them straight out
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: over what temp and humidity range?
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: close drawers, open windows, drawers are now locked in place
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why F1 engines will never be made of wood
05:13 PM roycroft: drawers don't move in width seasonally if they are designed properly
05:13 PM roycroft: wood barely moves along the grain
05:13 PM roycroft: it moves across the grain
05:13 PM roycroft: and alan leaves a bigger reveal at the top of a drawer to accomodate that
05:14 PM CloudEvil: It moves a lot less if you kiln dry it
05:14 PM roycroft: actually, it moves a lot more if you do that
05:14 PM CloudEvil: I mean once it stabilises.
05:14 PM roycroft: and it tends to get twisty when it moves if it's kiln dried
05:14 PM roycroft: it never stabilises
05:14 PM CloudEvil: hmm.
05:14 PM CloudEvil: Interesting.
05:14 PM roycroft: it's like cold-rolled steel
05:15 PM roycroft: it gets surface hardened
05:15 PM roycroft: and stresses build up inside the wood
05:15 PM CloudEvil: I I shall need to do more research
05:15 PM roycroft: the easiest way to research is to take a piece of air-dried wood and a piece of kiln-dried wood of the same species that are at the same moisture content, and rip them on a tablesaw
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why there are wood composites
05:16 PM roycroft: be SURE you have a riving knife installed when you rip the kiln-dried piece
05:16 PM roycroft: and best to stand off to the side while ripping it
05:16 PM CloudEvil: hmm
05:17 PM roycroft: cloudevil: wood can be kiln-dried and be stable
05:17 PM roycroft: but no commercial lumber mill can afford to dry it slowly enough to do so
05:18 PM roycroft: they get it as hot as they dare to get it in and out of the kiln as quickly as possible
05:19 PM CloudEvil: roycroft: That explains it, I was proably reading as I was researching how to do it without warping.
05:19 PM CloudEvil: And missed that.
05:22 PM roycroft: the beech wood that i use for jigs and fixtures and tools is steamed
05:22 PM roycroft: the steaming process both evens out the color and makes the wood very stable
05:23 PM * roycroft has a meeting to attend, and hits the road
05:36 PM CloudEvil: Thanks.
05:57 PM _unreal_: ve7it, whats new?
06:01 PM unclouded: what's best practice for wood moisture? I got a piece of Rimu flat and square in the shop and put a pocket in it for some calipers. then I brought it inside overnight and now the calipers won't fit in the pocket
06:02 PM XXCoder: year of drying
06:02 PM XXCoder: theres faster ways, but i doubt you have huge oven for one
06:03 PM Tom_L: use looser tolerances
06:03 PM XXCoder: well can always rough cut it, leave it for while to dry more, then do final cut
06:03 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/calipers/Mitutoyo2.jpg
06:03 PM Tom_L: mine still fit fine :)
06:04 PM _unreal_: unclouded what is your goal?
06:04 PM XXCoder: no felt bed?
06:04 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/caliper.jpg
06:04 PM Tom_L: first set
06:05 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, that second link does not seem to load
06:05 PM _unreal_: oh there it goes REALLLLLLY slow
06:05 PM JT-Cave: what was the moisture content of the wood to start with? > 10% it's not dry yet
06:06 PM _unreal_: unclouded, you there?
06:06 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, no spare battery compartment?
06:06 PM _unreal_: or is that what the thing in the lower right hand corner area is?
06:07 PM Tom_L: not unless starrett makes batteries
06:08 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, some wood i use is dried to 4% dunno where it started
06:09 PM JT-Cave: wow that's pretty dry wood
06:09 PM Tom_L: beech
06:09 PM Tom_L: and yes it is
06:10 PM unclouded: how do you measure moisture content? it was a piece from inside a 40 yo house but then stored in the shop for a while
06:10 PM JT-Cave: unless you keep it in a very dry place it will pull in moisture AFAIK
06:10 PM _unreal_: well I have nothing else to do I thik I'm going to go to the store spend some money
06:10 PM JT-Cave: moisture meter
06:10 PM _unreal_: I'm out of beer regardless
06:10 PM unclouded: yes, I should have used looser tolerance for sure
06:11 PM _unreal_: unclouded, do you have a vacuum pump?
06:11 PM JT-Cave: I keep both shops at < 50% humidity and never see any wood below ~9-10%
06:11 PM _unreal_: how big is the wood that needs to be dryed?
06:11 PM Tom_L: it will continually be a problem unless you open up the tolerances
06:11 PM _unreal_: dried
06:12 PM unclouded: no vacuum pump. it's about 320x130x10 mm
06:12 PM unclouded: about a foot long
06:12 PM Tom_L: i had to open up the gage block square on the last one. i wanted it snug so it wouldn't fall out but got it too snug the first round
06:14 PM JT-Cave: stored in a house just means it's acclimated to the moisture level of that house
06:14 PM JT-Cave: wow low of 60°F tonight
06:15 PM Tom_L: it was nice out here today
06:15 PM Tom_L: not sure how warm it got
06:15 PM JT-Cave: low 80's here
06:15 PM unclouded: that's a nice box for the calipers, _unreal_
06:15 PM JT-Cave: finally got the spyder out for a ride today
06:15 PM JT-Cave: I think the last time was 2019
06:15 PM Tom_L: 81 currently
06:15 PM Tom_L: updated... 86
06:16 PM Tom_L: cleaned off the spyder webs ehh?
06:16 PM JT-Cave: 80°F 50%
06:16 PM XXCoder: did some quick maintance on spyder?
06:16 PM _unreal_: unclouded, do you have a food savor?
06:16 PM JT-Cave: I had to dust it off for sure, and she smoked for a bit after starting but that's normal after a long storage
06:16 PM Tom_L: yep
06:17 PM _unreal_: a food savor is just a vacuum pump
06:17 PM JT-Cave: just aired up the tires and dusted it off and cleaned the windshield
06:17 PM _unreal_: you could try putting it into that under heavy vacuum for some time to draw out any moisture
06:17 PM _unreal_: then as soon as you release it from vacuum SEAL it
06:18 PM _unreal_: but ultimately unclouded so far as I understand it, you need a bit more slack in your tolerance. :)
06:18 PM Tom_L: just relocate it and re'run the program after you scale it up a tad
06:19 PM Tom_L: unless of course you hand carved it from a tree trunk
06:19 PM unclouded: I expect you're right about the tolerance. I didn't leave enough
06:19 PM Tom_L: any decent cad should be able to scale it up say 1%
06:20 PM Tom_L: or even less
06:20 PM JT-Cave: I just tell the CAM to use a smaller end mill
06:20 PM unclouded: who said I was using decent CAD software? :D
06:20 PM Tom_L: or what jt said
06:20 PM Tom_L: sometimes you will run into corner errors doing that though
06:21 PM unclouded: but yes, it's generated, there's a "clearance" parameter that I can increase and re-generate the tool path
06:21 PM JT-Cave: not going smaller...
06:21 PM Tom_L: true
06:22 PM JT-Cave: time for some rabbit food
06:22 PM Tom_L: hard to find i5 cpu nowdays
06:22 PM Tom_L: gen 6
06:22 PM Tom_L: last one that will let you run win7
06:23 PM Tom_L: i've got a board with an i7 on it i wanna downgrade so it will work
06:23 PM unclouded: I had to use a file to fix up the sharp inside corners anyway
06:23 PM Tom_L: i used a chisel but yeah
06:23 PM unclouded: chisel, good idea, I'll try that next time
06:24 PM Tom_L: be sure to test the sharpness on your finger first :)
06:24 PM unclouded: might it help to make ply at home with the grain in different directions, or does that not help at all?
06:29 PM CloudEvil: Yes.
06:29 PM CloudEvil: But making DIY play is often very very annoying.
06:29 PM CloudEvil: ply
06:30 PM unclouded: shame. there's only pine, MDF and the like at hardware stores
06:32 PM unclouded: shame, because it still looks really square by eye. it must have moved so little: https://war.rui.nz/tmp/20210804_110041.caliper-box.jpg
06:34 PM Tom_L: you may want to add a finger recess like i did, makes it alot easier to remove them
06:35 PM unclouded: who makes a good moisture meter? I see some Klein ones on eBay
06:36 PM unclouded: I did think about fingers, but this is an insert that goes inside a sleeve, so really easy to turn it over and tap them out
06:36 PM Tom_L: https://www.bobvila.com/articles/best-moisture-meter/
06:38 PM unclouded: nice. thanks heaps
06:38 PM Tom_L: https://www.architecturelab.net/best-moisture-meter/
06:38 PM Tom_L: another review
06:39 PM Tom_L: i generally don't rely on one opinion
06:39 PM Tom_L: unless of course it's mine :)
06:41 PM unclouded: lots of aspects to trade off
06:42 PM Tom_L: depends on useage i suppose
06:46 PM unclouded: didn't realise that this will be useful for testing firewood too
06:57 PM CloudEvil: Scale and oven a sample for a hour at 120C works well too
06:57 PM CloudEvil: For bits you can sample of course. 'proper' meters are better for nondestructive of course
07:30 PM roycroft: lignomat make great moisture meters
07:31 PM roycroft: i have a lignomat, and so does jt
07:31 PM roycroft: mine is pinless, which i like a lot
07:34 PM roycroft: https://www.lignomatusa.com/meters/ligno-scanner-sd-dual-depth-moisture-meter/
07:34 PM roycroft: that is what i have
07:34 PM roycroft: it measures at two depths, which is nice
07:35 PM roycroft: it comes with a chart that has the specific gravity of dozens of wood species
07:35 PM roycroft: you just enter the sg, set the depth you want to measure at, and scan
07:35 PM roycroft: it displays moisture %
07:35 PM unclouded: The reviews said that one is one of the most accurate
07:35 PM roycroft: if you have a species not on the chart, you just find the sg of that species and enter it
07:36 PM roycroft: if you really need a super accurate measurement, you weigh a sample, dry it out completely in an oven, and weigh it again
07:38 PM roycroft: for my needs, being pinless is really important
07:38 PM roycroft: for a contractor checking for leaks/mold in a building, a pin type might work better
07:40 PM roycroft: if you're monitoring kiln drying, the dual dept pinless one that i have would be perfect
08:53 PM CaptHindsight[m] is now known as MrHindsight[m]
08:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hmmm
08:58 PM MrHindsight[m]: hmm hmm
09:00 PM CaptHindsight[m] is now known as CaptHindsight
09:02 PM MrHindsight[m]: trying to figure out which one of me is here
09:03 PM CaptHindsight is now known as MrHindsight
09:05 PM XXCoder: yeah thats problem with having multiple bodies
09:06 PM MrHindsight: I ain't got nobody/s
09:06 PM XXCoder: double negatibe
09:06 PM XXCoder: you got someone
09:06 PM XXCoder: ;)
09:06 PM MrHindsight: and I can't get no
09:11 PM XXCoder: lol
09:12 PM roycroft: at least not that you can depend on
09:13 PM XXCoder: yay one of capt bodies come back
09:14 PM CaptHindsight: "ain't nobody here but us chickens"
09:15 PM CaptHindsight: can't get my nicks to register from Matrix
09:15 PM XXCoder: dunno how that works
09:15 PM CaptHindsight: unclear instructions
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: I'm sure it makes sense once you use the right syntax
09:16 PM roycroft: calm yourself and stop that fuss
09:16 PM roycroft: the matrix isn't here for us
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: the blue pill?
09:17 PM CaptHindsight: nick registration instructions: read my mind, next item on the agenda please
09:18 PM XXCoder: it comes down to chantng correct intactions
09:18 PM CaptHindsight: I probably have the wrong soothsayer
09:19 PM XXCoder: probably
09:30 PM Tom_L: MrHindsight[m], https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms
09:30 PM Tom_L: possibly
09:32 PM MrHindsight[m]: a nick that represent my matrix account stays in the libera channel after it has been logged out of the libera bridge and martrix
09:32 PM MrHindsight[m]: matrix even
09:33 PM Tom_L: well just tell it to quit that
09:33 PM MrHindsight[m]: i can't add the nick to my libera nick group since it is already in use :)
09:33 PM Tom_L: i could kick it if that would help
09:34 PM MrHindsight[m]: which nick do you see for me right now as I type? MrHindsight[m] or??
09:34 PM Tom_L: MrHindsight[m]
09:35 PM Tom_L: your regular capn one left
09:35 PM MrHindsight[m]: with no [m] at the end?
09:35 PM Tom_L: no [m]
09:35 PM Tom_L: MrHindsight[m] has the [m]
09:36 PM Tom_L: which are you trying to fix?
09:36 PM MrHindsight[m]: can you try kicking MrHindsight[m] please?
09:37 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
09:37 PM CaptHindsight: thank you
09:37 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -o by ChanServ
09:37 PM Tom_L: it came right back
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: try again, while it's logged off
09:38 PM Tom_L: same one?
09:38 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: if it comes right back then it is stuck in the bot/bridge
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: ok lets see, and thanks
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: er oh well
09:39 PM Tom_L: yup
09:39 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -o by ChanServ
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: botstuck
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: have to ask the libera admins
09:42 PM Tom_L: well i must say, that's the first thank you i got for kicking somebody from an irc channel
09:43 PM XXCoder: indeed
09:48 PM roycroft: death to ghost clients
09:50 PM CaptHindsight is now known as help
09:50 PM help is now known as CaptHindsight
09:55 PM snakedLX is now known as snaked
10:52 PM MrHindsight[m]: fixed \0/ thanks TurBoss
10:53 PM TurBoss: \o/
10:53 PM TurBoss: \o/
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: \0/
10:54 PM XXCoder: yay
10:56 PM MrHindsight[m]: if only there was some way to put all the instructions for this in one place for anyone to read
10:57 PM roycroft: perhaps some kind of a manual?
10:57 PM Tom_L: was there a troll on the bridge?
10:57 PM * roycroft is not sure what the problem was, but is happy that it is fixed
10:58 PM MrHindsight[m]: half matrix wiki, 1/3 libera chat howto, 15% turboss hints, 5% womans intuition
10:58 PM roycroft: and a little bit of luck?
10:59 PM MrHindsight[m]: =103.3333%
10:59 PM TurBoss: 😀
11:01 PM MrHindsight[m]: equivalent schematic https://www.edn.com/wp-content/uploads/media-1203597-funniest-schematic-ever.jpg
11:14 PM XXCoder: xkcd