#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 30 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:36 AM Deejay: moin
01:45 AM enleth: Eric_: that must have been a small bottle, the ones I'm used to, 40 liters, are about 160cm high and weigh about 70-80kg
01:56 AM randy: morning
04:42 AM Rhine_Labs: There you all are..
04:44 AM XXCoder: hey
04:45 AM Rhine_Labs: Been a long time.. got busy with life.
04:47 AM Rhine_Labs: Still was helping people locally pushing them twards LCNC giving them a place to start.
04:48 AM XXCoder: nice :)
04:48 AM Rhine_Labs: Never did finish the 12X36 Path Pilot Build.
04:48 AM Rhine_Labs: When ya loose your livley hood due to medical things take a back seat fast.
04:53 AM Rhine_Labs: I di dust off the lab and was able to do a siglent upgrade. https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Rhine_Labs-Bench-After-Siglent-Upgrade.jpg
04:53 AM XXCoder: interesting
04:55 AM Rhine_Labs: I may be getting a New Tormach EMC Control Board to play with.
04:58 AM Rhine_Labs: Been doing a lot of chip programming.. https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/20210427_154028-1024x576.jpg
04:59 AM XXCoder: youre definitely far more advanced on skills than me :)
05:00 AM Rhine_Labs: I lost a lot of the skill till covid hit they shut the gun shows down so had to dust off the old skills
05:01 AM XXCoder: covid sure changed a lot of things
05:01 AM Rhine_Labs: Yep.
05:03 AM Rhine_Labs: Then the free venkel resistor cap kits are awesome https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/20210724_003940-1024x576.jpg
05:04 AM Rhine_Labs: https://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/20210724_004017-1024x576.jpg
07:23 AM enleth: every time I hear the term "foot-pound", I imagine a cartoon George Washington in a US flag top hat repeatedly pounding his foot in a tantrum
08:48 AM CloudEvil is now known as CloudEvil_
08:48 AM CloudEvil_ is now known as CloudEvil
09:07 AM perry_j1987: morning everyone
09:08 AM perry_j1987: giving it a try today where i clean up in the morning from day before
09:08 AM perry_j1987: so far im liking it a lot
09:08 AM perry_j1987: kinda lets you get settled during your non productive first half hour
09:19 AM roycroft: it's going to be hot hot hot here today
09:19 AM perry_j1987: aye
09:20 AM perry_j1987: anyone have idea what torque you should have on your quick change tool post nut
09:20 AM perry_j1987: OXA size is what i got
09:21 AM roycroft: i give a light to medium pull on the wrench
09:21 AM roycroft: it doesn't need a whole lot
09:21 AM perry_j1987: more than couple times this last week i've found it spun slightly
09:21 AM perry_j1987: im looking forward more and more to setting up gang tooling for that fact
09:22 AM roycroft: then i would pull a little bit harder than you currently are
09:22 AM perry_j1987: aye
09:22 AM perry_j1987: i just did
09:30 AM perry_j1987: its there lets try that
09:32 AM roycroft: i am very close to deciding to postpone my outdoor chores until tomorrow, when it will be much cooler
09:32 AM perry_j1987: that sounds like a definite plan
09:32 AM roycroft: but my garage door opener is due to arrive today, and if it does not get delivered until late in the day i'll want to deal with tha tomorrow
09:32 AM roycroft: but 39 today vs. 32 tomorrow makes me really want to not go outside today
09:33 AM roycroft: oh, except now it's 35 tomorrow
09:33 AM roycroft: which is still a lot better than 39, but rather hot nevertheless
09:33 AM JT-Shop: I was sweating up a storm taking care of the chickens this morning
09:34 AM * JT-Shop goes to watch William Ng videos
09:34 AM roycroft: i do need to tidy up the shop before i can install the garage door opener
09:34 AM roycroft: i think i'll go start on the blackberries in a bit and see how it goes
09:34 AM roycroft: maybe i can get that chore done before the heat of the day
09:35 AM roycroft: i have to cut some limbs off a tree (with an electric chain saw - gas saws are banned for the summer) before i can deal with the blackberries, so i want to wait until 8am to do that due to the noise
09:36 AM roycroft: legally i can make noise at 7am, but that's not very polite
09:41 AM * JT-Shop thinks there must be an easier way to harvest tomato seeds than a microscope and an xacto knife...
09:48 AM perry_j1987: make blackberry jam while your at it roycroft
09:48 AM perry_j1987: JT-Shop xacto knife? how hard are your tomatoes lol
09:49 AM roycroft: that's the disappointing thing
09:49 AM roycroft: the blackberries are almost ripe
09:49 AM roycroft: and i have been able to harvest about 15kg/year from them
09:50 AM roycroft: but they're not ripe enough to harvest many now
09:50 AM perry_j1987: why getting rid of them
09:50 AM roycroft: and it would take too long to pick the ripe ones while i'm cutting down the brambles
09:50 AM perry_j1987: best berries on the planet
09:50 AM roycroft: well they're not
09:50 AM roycroft: but they're ok
09:50 AM roycroft: but they're invasive and they are taking over the property
09:50 AM perry_j1987: blackberry jam is top notch
09:51 AM perry_j1987: and blackberry wine is great too
09:51 AM roycroft: i grow raspberries, strawberries, blueberries, and gooseberries
09:51 AM roycroft: and all of those are well-contained in beds
09:51 AM perry_j1987: i got some gooseberry wine fermeting right now
09:51 AM roycroft: blackberries just take over everything
09:51 AM perry_j1987: blackberries are great on tillamook vanilla bean icecream too
09:52 AM roycroft: if i want to harvest some, there are plenty of places near where i live where i can get them
09:52 AM roycroft: and not right next to the road
09:52 AM roycroft: i like marionberries a lot better than blackberries
09:52 AM perry_j1987: aye
09:53 AM roycroft: i have a couple grape vines in the back of the propertly that have been almost choked out by the blackberries
09:53 AM roycroft: i'm hoping to revive them once this job is done
09:53 AM roycroft: that's actually the bit that's left to do - the area right by the grape vines
09:54 AM roycroft: it's at the very edge of the property
09:54 AM perry_j1987: no neighbor kids to pay eh?
09:54 AM roycroft: no
09:54 AM roycroft: i would not trust them to do it properly anyway
09:55 AM perry_j1987: lol
09:55 AM roycroft: i thought about renting some goats
09:55 AM perry_j1987: that could be fun
09:55 AM perry_j1987: goats are entertaining
09:55 AM roycroft: but it would have been difficult to fence them in
09:55 AM roycroft: there are a couple rent-a-goat outfits here
09:57 AM roycroft: anyway, it looks like it will hit 30 degrees right around noon
09:57 AM roycroft: i think i can get most, if not all, of the berries cut down in four hours
09:58 AM roycroft: if i load up the pickup today i can haul it to recycling tomorrow morning or sunday
09:58 AM roycroft: it's going to be overcast today as well, so i won't have the sun beating down on me
09:59 AM perry_j1987: could do cutting one day and gathering another
10:00 AM perry_j1987: make time for beer breaks
10:01 AM roycroft: i've been parking the pickup close to the work, and loading directly as i cut them down
10:11 AM perry_j1987: ah hah! found that wrench
10:11 AM perry_j1987: no clue how it got where it was....
10:24 AM perry_j1987: so this lathe i got
10:24 AM perry_j1987: with indicator on testbar in the headstock
10:24 AM perry_j1987: if i change directions on z the indicator moves 3thou
10:26 AM perry_j1987: haha stupid me
10:26 AM perry_j1987: chip under the mag base
10:39 AM JT-Shop: perry_j1987, trying to not damage the seeds
10:53 AM perry_j1987: ah
10:54 AM JT-Shop: a friend gave us some chocolate sprinkle cherry tomatoes and I want to grow some next year
11:05 AM perry_j1987: that will be cool
11:34 AM * JT-Shop has to go to work Monday...
12:30 PM roycroft: lovely
12:31 PM roycroft: my garage door opener is marked as delivered, but no truck has shown up to deliver it
12:31 PM roycroft: i called depot and they said "if it's marked delivered, it's delivered. if you want to claim you did not get it we suggest you file a dispute with your bank."
12:32 PM roycroft: home depot, rather
12:33 PM roycroft: fortunately i used paypal to pay for it, so i'll get my money back
12:34 PM roycroft: but now i don't have the device
12:40 PM JT-Shop: did it come via usps?
12:40 PM JT-Shop: I'd ask them ok so you delivered it where did you deliver it?
12:44 PM roycroft: it allegedly was delivered by ontrac
12:44 PM roycroft: i've already filed a dispute with paypal
12:45 PM roycroft: i really did not like being blown off like that
12:45 PM roycroft: and it's really stupid of home depot to behave like that
12:45 PM roycroft: not only does it alienate customers, it costs them a lot of money
12:45 PM roycroft: they pay nothing for a refund, other than refunding the money
12:46 PM roycroft: on a chargeback, they refund the money and they get socked with fees from the bank/merchant bank/paypal for the chargeback, plus their rate goes up if they get too many chargebacks (which is not very many)
12:47 PM roycroft: i should go back out and attack the blackberries again
12:47 PM roycroft: i'm almost done
12:47 PM roycroft: i can see grapes!
01:20 PM JT-Shop: I think I made the drawer sides too thin... I should have made them 5/8" I think
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01:26 PM Rhine_Labs: Ahhh
01:27 PM perry_j1987: whoo that was scary
01:27 PM perry_j1987: all of sudden the lathe just went max spindle speed
01:27 PM perry_j1987: linuxcnc was froze or something
01:28 PM perry_j1987: ok just rebooted computer
01:29 PM perry_j1987: and got things set to go and it did it again
01:29 PM perry_j1987: this time i was aproaching the chuck with the chuck key...
01:35 PM Tom_L: you'd better figure that one out
01:36 PM perry_j1987: ya something is not right with the host box all of sudden
01:36 PM perry_j1987: just rebooted and i get everything fine for min or so then mouse doesnt click and all locked up
01:36 PM perry_j1987: how's the raspberry pi 4 work with mesa 7i96 again? :P
01:36 PM perry_j1987: maybe its time...
01:38 PM Tom_L: it did ok the time i was testing it
01:38 PM Tom_L: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/2.8-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/
01:38 PM Tom_L: there's the package for it
01:44 PM perry_j1987: ty
01:48 PM roycroft: the blackberries are all gone!
01:48 PM roycroft: except i have a bit of tidying up to do in other parts of the yard, where they're trying to creep back
01:48 PM roycroft: but the big job is finally done
01:48 PM roycroft: and my pickup is only half full, so i can do the rest as part of the same load
01:49 PM roycroft: that's probably a tomorrow thing, though - it's starting to get hot
01:50 PM perry_j1987: hmm maybe it was a psu issue
01:50 PM roycroft: i don't mind working in the heat so much, except when i'm dealing with blackberries, because i have to wear heavy logger pants, a thick, long-sleeve flannel shirt, and heavy boots to keep from getting all scratched up
01:50 PM perry_j1987: jiggled the 4pin connector on mobo as it looked slightly loose
01:50 PM perry_j1987: so far so good
01:51 PM roycroft: i may have go to garage door opener shopping this afternoon :(
01:51 PM roycroft: i already made the rounds once, and did not find anything suitable for a reasonable price, which is why i went online
01:51 PM roycroft: so now i guess i get to pay too much for one
01:53 PM enleth: perry_j1987: how is the spindle controlled now?
01:54 PM enleth: perry_j1987: it sounds like it's non-failsafe
01:55 PM enleth: you might want to add a chuck key holder with a switch in it, wired as spindle lockout
01:55 PM perry_j1987: i need to get this door interlock switch setup too
01:56 PM perry_j1987: there are ZERO safeties wired up atm haha
01:56 PM perry_j1987: i do have an e-stop wired to the mesa board though at least
01:57 PM Tom_L: roycroft, go to HD and get a chamberlain
01:57 PM Tom_L: at least you might get it
01:58 PM Tom_L: perry_j1987, wire the estop to the spindle enable too
01:58 PM perry_j1987: how many gb version of pi4 is needed Tom_L ?
01:59 PM roycroft: the problem is the ones that are rated for single panel doors are really expensive
01:59 PM Tom_L: if you look, there is only one
01:59 PM roycroft: the other problem is that the one that was allegedly delivered today was from home depot
01:59 PM Tom_L: some are devel some are debug and 2 are the real thing
01:59 PM Tom_L: one is newer than the other
01:59 PM roycroft: and when i called them and they said "not our problem", i really did not feel like dealing with home depot again
02:00 PM perry_j1987: Tom_L i mean gig of ram on the pi4
02:00 PM roycroft: but jerry's will have some
02:00 PM roycroft: i'll just have to pay closer to $300 than $150
02:00 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc-uspace_2.8.2.20.gacab27a90_armhf.deb is the latest
02:00 PM Tom_L: iirc i have 4G
02:01 PM Rhine_Labs: Ill finish my lathe one day.
02:01 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i thought you ordered it somewhere else
02:01 PM roycroft: no, from home depot
02:01 PM Tom_L: they didn't stock any?
02:01 PM roycroft: they don't stock this model in the store
02:02 PM roycroft: the website said they could ship to the store, but it would not arrive until 10 august
02:02 PM roycroft: or they could ship to my house and it would arrive today
02:02 PM perry_j1987: ok
02:02 PM roycroft: ship to store is safer, because when i go to pick it up, if they don't have it, there's no argument about refunding my money
02:02 PM Tom_L: yup
02:03 PM roycroft: but i did not want to wait especially since i'll be on vacation the week it would be due to arrive, so i would not be able to pick it up until the 16th
02:03 PM Rhine_Labs: https://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=2432
02:03 PM roycroft: i think i'll call ontrac before i go buy one
02:04 PM roycroft: they don't want the deliveree to call them - they want the shipper to do so, but given how i was blown off by the shipper they may be willing to assist
02:18 PM solarwind: https://www.esabna.com/us/en/products/gas-equipment/industrial/gas-control/cylinder/single-stage/ess4-edge-series-cylinder-regulator.cfm
02:18 PM solarwind: Why is the delivery range spec 2 - 40 PSIG?
02:19 PM solarwind: Why would they ever allow setting such a high output pressure? Isn't that incredibly dangerous?
02:22 PM Eric__: I don't really understand when acetylene pressure becomes dangerous.
02:22 PM Eric__: I know it's bad to vent to atmosphere at that pressure
02:23 PM solarwind: Eric__ above ~15 PSIG it can spontaneously decompose
02:23 PM Eric__: is decompose a euphemism for esplode?
02:24 PM solarwind: It will begin decomposition into hydrogen and carbon
02:24 PM solarwind: at pressures above ~30 PSIG, it can instantly explode
02:24 PM Eric__: My tank is at 250psi.
02:25 PM CloudEvil: All the acetylene regulators are not 40PSI out
02:25 PM CloudEvil: Those are oxygen
02:25 PM CloudEvil: the listing contains not just acetylene regulators
02:25 PM roycroft: the tanks are designed to prevent decomposition
02:25 PM solarwind: Eric__ that's different, the tank contains a porous substrate and it's dissolved in acetone
02:25 PM CloudEvil: though an acetlylene regulator is pictured
02:26 PM solarwind: CloudEvil the regulator I linked is specifically an acetylene regulator with a spec sheet listing of 2 - 40 PSIG delivery pressure
02:26 PM CloudEvil: You did not link a regulator.
02:26 PM CloudEvil: You linked the landing page to a family of regulators
02:27 PM CloudEvil: Click 'documents and specs' and then compare with 'ordering info'
02:27 PM solarwind: CloudEvil, sorry you have to click the "documents and specs" link
02:27 PM solarwind: OH, sorry, you're absolutely right
02:28 PM solarwind: I was just misled by the picture on the left with the huge "ACETYLENE" label
02:28 PM solarwind: It's the ESS4-15-* models that are acetylene and they do indeed limit pressure to 15 PSIG. My apologies
02:30 PM roycroft: i don't know that i've ever set an aceytlene regulator to more than 5psi
02:30 PM roycroft: i usually work at 3-5psi
02:30 PM solarwind: roycroft, is the correct procedure to set the pressure with the nozzle open? Or do you set the pressure at zero flow?
02:30 PM roycroft: and the oxy side between 3-25psi, depending on whether i'm welding/brazing or cutting
02:31 PM Rhine_Labs: I think my host is having issues.
02:31 PM roycroft: i set it at zero flow, but of course i do the final pressure adjustment on the torch itself
02:31 PM solarwind: Because resistance would greatly affect flow if the pressure were set at zero flow and you'd get very different results with different hose lengths and tips
02:31 PM enleth: solarwind: experienced millwrights and such often ignore the gauges completely, they're more likely than not to be dirty, smashed up and useless anyway
02:31 PM Rhine_Labs: Error establishing a database connection
02:32 PM roycroft: the gauges are starting points
02:32 PM solarwind: I'm not really sure why they set these things based on pressure. It's the output flow that's the most important
02:32 PM roycroft: i do the adjustment at the torch
02:32 PM roycroft: and if i'm not getting enough of one of the gases i go back to the regulator and open it up a bit
02:33 PM enleth: solarwind: there's a procedure to safely adjust everything even with no gauges at all - and you can indeed buy oxygen and acetylene regulators with no gauges in the first place
02:33 PM roycroft: i go by the flame, not the display on the gauges
02:33 PM enleth: some places buy those because they know the gauges will be mangled to shit soon enough anyway and the employees know how to set the flows by looking at the flame
02:34 PM roycroft: that's really the only way to reliably do it, enleth
02:34 PM roycroft: there are too many variables to go by the gauges, even if they are perfectly calibrated
02:34 PM solarwind: I go by the flame as well, but the power output is directly proportional to the flow
02:34 PM solarwind: But yes I agree, the gauge pressures are very approximate starting points
02:35 PM solarwind: A flow meter would be much more useful, like the ones used for TIG welding with argon
02:35 PM roycroft: i set the gauges to roughly what i think i need
02:35 PM enleth: solarwind: power output is set by the tip, then you tune the flame to be neutral, then set the oxidizing/reducing bias, then maybe adjust power if your tip is not the exact right one for the job
02:35 PM roycroft: crack the acetylene valve on the torch, ignite, adjust acetylene to what i think will work, open the oxygen valve, adjust the flame for what i need
02:35 PM enleth: Jason from Fireball Tools made a very nice presentation on YT recently
02:36 PM roycroft: if there's not enough flow i open the acetylene valve a bit more, and adjust oxygen accordingly
02:36 PM roycroft: if i can't get enough gas i go back to the regulators and open them a bit more
02:36 PM enleth: I know some people here don't like him much, but that was some solid content
02:36 PM solarwind: enleth I don't mean to be rude, but I cannot tolerate the guy
02:37 PM enleth: solarwind: I had to... get used to him, so to say
02:37 PM roycroft: i usualy don't "not like" you tubers, but i often find presentation styles get in the way of the actual presentation
02:37 PM solarwind: But yes, I follow roycroft's procedure as well
02:37 PM enleth: solarwind: the way he smiles sometimes gives me creeps a little
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02:38 PM enleth: but what he does cool and he knows what he's doing
02:38 PM solarwind: The amount of scrapping I've done over the past few days has given me an enormous amount of practice
02:38 PM enleth: *is cool
02:38 PM roycroft: that one machining youtuber who always makes "your wife" jokes is just creepy as hell though
02:38 PM roycroft: i really do not like him at all
02:38 PM roycroft: yet his content is decent
02:38 PM enleth: besides, someone here said "he's not a real machinist!" while he's never even claimed to be one, he's a fabricator with some machining experience and admits as much
02:38 PM solarwind: I almost feel guilty because I just go there, use their oxygen and acetylene supply, then take the metal I want and throw the rest in the scrap bin
02:39 PM enleth: roycroft: oh, never seen that one
02:39 PM roycroft: i don't remember his name
02:39 PM roycroft: but he's an old guy who makes creepy "your wife" jokes that are sexual innuendos, of course
02:40 PM roycroft: so he'll do a 20 minute machining video that's just fine
02:40 PM roycroft: then tell the joke and you get creeped out and forget the rest of the video
02:40 PM roycroft: sometimes he makes the joke up front, and you don't have to bother watching the rest of the video - you just go away asap
02:41 PM roycroft: that's probably why i don't remember his name - i just can't watch his stuff
02:41 PM roycroft: if i ever accidently run into one of his videos i'll note the name and give you fair warning :)
02:42 PM enleth: roycroft: does he show off lots of US flags and such?
02:42 PM roycroft: i don't remember
02:42 PM roycroft: but he is from the us
02:43 PM roycroft: fortunately i haven't stumbled across any of his videos for years
02:43 PM roycroft: he may be gone by now
02:47 PM roycroft: well
02:47 PM enleth: roycroft: Keith Fenner?
02:47 PM roycroft: ontrac say they haven't delivered yet, and that home depot's website is on crack
02:47 PM roycroft: no, not keith fenner
02:47 PM roycroft: i'm not a big fan of keith
02:47 PM roycroft: that pledge of allegiance thing at the beginning of all his videos is totally inappropriate
02:48 PM roycroft: but he's not creepy
02:48 PM enleth: I remember him making a bunch of sexist jokes, but not as a mainstay feature of the videos
02:48 PM roycroft: at least not in his videos
02:48 PM enleth: but note that picture of a tennis girl with her ass flashing, that always reflects the US flag hanging on the other wall
02:50 PM enleth: oh, he's actually still posting on YT
02:51 PM enleth: I'm not subscribed, he's a bit too rambly for my taste and the videos could use some editing to lose padding
02:51 PM enleth: but I remember him announcing that he's getting out of YT because it's all lefties and communists and such
02:52 PM roycroft: keith fenner?
02:52 PM enleth: yep
02:52 PM roycroft: that doesn't surprise me
02:53 PM roycroft: i wish people would leave politics out of machining videos
02:53 PM enleth: apparently he's a hardcore right-wing-hail-trump-secede-texas type of guy
02:53 PM roycroft: keith is very obviously an extreme right winger
02:53 PM roycroft: and that's fine
02:53 PM roycroft: he's a decent machinist
02:53 PM roycroft: make machining videos
02:53 PM roycroft: don't make wingnuttery videos
02:53 PM enleth: not sure how texas independence intermeshes with supporting a federal president, but, eh, ok, whatever boats his float or something
02:54 PM roycroft: i'd be willing to bet a large amount of money that abom79 is an extreme right winger
02:54 PM roycroft: but he has never once mentioned politics or anything remotely political on his videos
02:54 PM enleth: I've never ever noticed him show anything to either support or disprove that
02:54 PM roycroft: he avoids that topic like the plague
02:55 PM roycroft: i base that on where he lives, on the trips he makes, that he did so many videos in remote sites with a lot of people around and nobody wearing masks during the first peak of the pandemic
02:56 PM enleth: and I suspect even if he is, he'd probably be perfectly fine to knowingly socialize with people of completely contrasting views
02:56 PM roycroft: but he's never said a single word that is political
02:56 PM roycroft: yes, he seems a thoroughly decent fellow
02:58 PM roycroft: well,i just spent a few minutes searching youtube to see if i could find the creepy old "your mother" joke guy, but i don't see him
02:58 PM roycroft: and it is NOT mr pete
02:58 PM roycroft: mr pete looks kind of creepy, but he's really not
03:08 PM andypugh: Hey, rene-dev: DO you think I would be mad to buy a Deckel FP41NC and try to fit it in to my workshop
03:08 PM andypugh: I think it’s the baby brother of the travelling-column mill at Camflight.
03:08 PM andypugh: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164985626295
03:23 PM ve7it: andy... looks nice ... wish it was on this side of the pond... sounds like it already runs emc2
03:25 PM andypugh: I am thinking that it is too big for my workshop.
03:25 PM Tom_L: andypugh, pretty soon you're gonna have to get a bigger place
03:26 PM Tom_L: the deckel isn't too big.. the shop is too small
03:44 PM andypugh: I am coming to that conclusion.
03:46 PM andypugh: I have made a rough 3D model of my garage and of the Deckel, and it’s a bit silly: https://a360.co/3zWt54D
03:47 PM andypugh: It’s not _impossible_
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04:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: handy to 3d print a scale model of the shop
04:17 PM Tom_L: andypugh, hang the bike from the rafters
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: huh, the channel coast isn't all Cliffs
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I thought it was all Cliff's to keep the Norman's out
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://goo.gl/maps/WgbQBJJ74GKv9FXp8
04:24 PM Tom_L: that thing must be waiting for the tide to come in
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there is a guy sitting in it
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and it makes tracks
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: shore buggy
04:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: one click on on the shore, next click forward drops you inside a shopping mall
04:30 PM Tom_L: i did a panoramic around it and didn't see 'a guy'
04:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pan down
04:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: red jacket, green helmet
04:31 PM Tom_L: oh i see him now, first i thought that was ballast
04:31 PM Tom_L: :)
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: might still be, no proof of life :)
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05:21 PM roycroft: it's time to get jiggy again
05:21 PM roycroft: i seem to be spending more time making jigs than making parts these days
05:22 PM roycroft: but i like being able to count to ten using only my hands, so it's time well-invested
05:24 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, is there any hope for me to use the 1/2" thick drawer sides? they look too thin now
05:24 PM roycroft: i'm not sure what you mean
05:24 PM * JT-Shop bought a half sheet of birch plywood marked 1/4" but it's really 5mm
05:24 PM JT-Shop: will 1/2" sides work ok?
05:25 PM roycroft: for all but the largest drawers, 1/2" sides should work fine
05:25 PM roycroft: i don't know if i've ever used anything thicker for drawer sides
05:25 PM JT-Shop: how deep to cut the dado for the bottom
05:25 PM JT-Shop: oh ok
05:26 PM roycroft: 1/2 the thickness of the drawer sides, same as the dadoes for the drawer back
05:26 PM roycroft: so 1/4"
05:26 PM roycroft: in your case
05:26 PM roycroft: and that 5mm birch is mostly fine
05:26 PM JT-Shop: ok and make the bottom a tad smaller or make it a tight fit?
05:26 PM JT-Shop: should be labeled 5mm or 3/16" + lol
05:27 PM roycroft: the problem with that stuff is that the veneer is wafa thin on the 5mm plywood, while it's normal thickness (1/42") on 6mm ply
05:27 PM roycroft: it's "nominal" :)
05:27 PM roycroft: i would make the drawer bottom dadoes 5.5mm or so wide
05:27 PM roycroft: you don't want a super tight fit
05:27 PM roycroft: a little room to install the bottoms is fine
05:28 PM roycroft: when you screw the bottom to the drawer back it won't move
05:28 PM JT-Shop: I made box joints front and back this time
05:28 PM roycroft: if you make the grooves exactly 5mm wide you might find you have a difficult time installing the drawer bottom
05:28 PM roycroft: that's fine
05:28 PM roycroft: extra work, but it will be fine :)
05:29 PM roycroft: it's good practice
05:29 PM roycroft: i need to make a rather unique featherboard for my router fence
05:30 PM roycroft: i was looking for a piece of ash to use for that, as ash is perhaps the best wood in the universe for featherboards, but i can't find any even close to the right size
05:30 PM roycroft: i might make it out of pine for now, to get me through this job, and to see how well it works
05:31 PM JT-Shop: I use the William Ng method for making the slots for the bottom, two cuts with a flat top blade testing the second cut as you go for fit
05:31 PM roycroft: i like william ng
05:32 PM roycroft: i like his designs
05:32 PM roycroft: i like the way he melds hand tooling with machine work without a bias towards one or the other - his goal is to make the parts he wants efficiently, and the method doesn't matter
05:33 PM JT-Shop: yep
05:34 PM roycroft: ok, i just found the information i needed
05:35 PM * roycroft heads back to the shop
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05:51 PM solarwind: Can anyone identify this power plug? https://www.amazon.ca/Industrial-Waterproof-Explosion-Proof-Concealed-AC380V%E2%80%91415V/dp/B095HXX4V5/
05:51 PM solarwind: It's definitely not NEMA. Is it IEC?
05:54 PM Tom_L: IEC
05:55 PM solarwind: NEMA twist locks are decent, and the larger straight blades are nice too
05:56 PM solarwind: I just bought a plasma cutter: https://www.everlastwelders.ca/products/plasmacutters.php/powerplasma-82i-1.php
05:56 PM solarwind: It's single phase 240V, but I should be able to open it up and convert it to 3 phase to reduce the load on its full bridge rectifier
05:57 PM solarwind: So I'm looking to buy a few connectors that I can move around with it in their warehouse for this scrapping operation
05:58 PM solarwind: This would have been the thing to buy, but unfortunately not available in Canada: https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/plasma/powerplasma-102i-3-phase-240v
06:00 PM enleth: solarwind: this is a bog standard garden variety european 3-phase 32A plug
06:01 PM solarwind: enleth the price is quite appealing. Is there a specific type number for it? Like NEMA has their L15-30
06:03 PM Tom_L: says 4 (3P+E) at the bottom
06:03 PM enleth: solarwind: those are IEC 60309-2, they're specified by describing the voltage and pin configuration
06:03 PM solarwind: That just means 4 pin, 3 pole + earth
06:03 PM enleth: this is 400V 32A 3P+N+E
06:03 PM solarwind: enleth that's it, that's what I needed to know. Thanks
06:04 PM enleth: that's how you'd designate it on a blueprint, or specify it on a purchase order, "IEC 60309-2 400V 32A 3P+N+E"
06:04 PM solarwind: Excellent, thanks!
06:04 PM solarwind: I like that style more than the NEMA twist locks, which are also overpriced
06:04 PM enleth: but this is the only current european standard for industrial plugs and sockets, so everyone will drop the IEC number unless they want to be very official
06:05 PM enleth: "32A 5-pin" (or "32A 4-pin" for 3P+E, no neutral) is also a commonly used way to describe them
06:06 PM enleth: also, the most common variety is 16A, slightly smaller
06:06 PM enleth: and a 60A type exists, although it's awfully huge
06:07 PM enleth: solarwind: the only other variation in designations might be locking style, most commonly used plugs and sockets are locked in by the spring-loaded socket cover flap
06:08 PM enleth: there's a thingy sticking out the side of a plug that the cover catches onto
06:08 PM solarwind: Anything is fine for my use, as long as it doesn't cost $100 for a plug and socket pair
06:08 PM enleth: but twist-lock style exists, too
06:09 PM enleth: solarwind: the wikipedia page is actually decent and will tell you everything you need to know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60309
06:09 PM solarwind: Yeah that's exactly what I'm looking at right now
06:10 PM solarwind: The 60A is not that bad. The NEMA twist locks are worse
06:10 PM enleth: apparently, a 125A type exists too
06:10 PM solarwind: NEMA don't even have 50A twist locks.
06:10 PM enleth: I've never ever seen it and I'm not sure it would be practical to use
06:12 PM enleth: also, the 16A type is actually so overbuilt it'll happily carry 30A over three phases without getting anywhere close to hot
06:13 PM enleth: you'll get yelled at for doing it, but it works
06:13 PM solarwind: How about the 32A?
06:13 PM solarwind: I was considering the 63A for the plasma cutter's max 50A
06:13 PM enleth: 50A single phase?
06:14 PM enleth: I meant 3x30A for the "16A" plug
06:14 PM solarwind: Yes, assuming it's too difficult to convert to 3 phase
06:14 PM enleth: it might work, hard to say
06:15 PM enleth: but I'd be comfortable trying
06:15 PM enleth: I'm certain it won't just go up in flames
06:15 PM solarwind: Yeah I'll buy one and use my bench power supply in CC mode to see how far I can push it
06:22 PM andypugh: CEEForm are pretty good.
06:23 PM andypugh: https://youtu.be/feCZs9YpH3M
06:27 PM enleth: I looked at the US 3-phase plugs once out of curiosity and it seemed like one huge mess of weird ideas
06:28 PM enleth: those completely unprotected sheet metal twist-lock prongs with weird intricate shapes, just waiting to get bent, deformed, caught up on something and so on
06:29 PM roycroft: i'm not sure what you were looking at, but our twist-lock plugs are pretty logical and well-made, generally
06:29 PM andypugh: I like to misuse SpeakON connectors. They are meant to be for audio, but are rated 240V 20A, with 4 or 8 poles.
06:29 PM roycroft: probably l14 plugs?
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06:29 PM roycroft: the receptacles are well-protected
06:29 PM enleth: roycroft: L14 looks like one of those, yes
06:29 PM enleth: receptacles look fine
06:30 PM enleth: plugs seem to be just asking for trouble
06:30 PM roycroft: the plugs do not carry current until they are plugged in
06:30 PM enleth: that's not the issue
06:30 PM roycroft: admittedly, they can be a problem in that if they're not handled with care they can bend a bit
06:30 PM enleth: their durability might be
06:30 PM roycroft: i have locking plugs that are decades old that still work fine
06:30 PM andypugh: Watch that video I linked for some insight into the details. Like tracking distance.
06:31 PM roycroft: andupugh: i've pretty much dedided to use speakon connectors for the power cables to my stepper motors
06:31 PM enleth: I know I can leave an IEC plug loose on the ground at the end of a cord, even where it might get kicked around, bumped into, pulled across crap and so on
06:31 PM roycroft: in part due to your suggestion
06:31 PM enleth: and it'll be absolutely fine
06:31 PM enleth: they have no protective caps, but the pins are still completely shrouded
06:32 PM enleth: you'd have to run it over with a forklift to do any real damage
06:32 PM roycroft: enleth: i'll say our plugs may be suboptimal, but on my list of concerns they're fairly low
06:33 PM enleth: that's a valid point if you look at the US electrical system as a whole.
06:33 PM roycroft: and at least we don't permit ring circuits in the us :)
06:33 PM enleth: *we* don't either, it's the UK that gets weird ideas
06:34 PM enleth: and good riddance *cough* *cough*
06:34 PM roycroft: yes, it's one of those uniquely british oddities
06:34 PM andypugh: I am not a fan of rings. We introduced them after the war as we couldn’t get copper. But it is time to move on.
06:34 PM roycroft: and "oddity" is the kind word to describe them
06:34 PM roycroft: and to be fair
06:35 PM roycroft: the usa introduced aluminium wiring after the war due to the copper shortage
06:35 PM andypugh: I prefer rings.of the two.
06:35 PM roycroft: which can be done safely, but almost always wasn't
06:35 PM enleth: same here, due to the everything shortage after the soviet union took over
06:35 PM roycroft: they're both scary, but in different ways
06:36 PM enleth: that crap still shows up everywhere
06:36 PM andypugh: The issue with rings is that they have the possibility to fail invisibly. ie Power is still present, but the cable rating has been halved by a break. In practice I suspect that it is a minor risk.
06:37 PM * roycroft prefers none of the above, but does not have a problem with overhead drops that are aluminium, as the terminations can be inspected
06:37 PM roycroft: yes, that's the problem
06:37 PM roycroft: the premise is that a thinner gauge wire can be used as it's fed from both ends
06:37 PM roycroft: and if the failure occurs mid-circuit, it may be fine
06:38 PM roycroft: but if the failure occurs close to the origin, the other side of the ring can be overprovisioned
06:38 PM Tom_L: not sure what they're called but i think i used DIN connectors on my steppers
06:38 PM andypugh: That said, appliance power ratings have been steadily falling, it is not common now to plug in 4 3kw electric fires via a multi-adaptpr.
06:39 PM enleth: at this point aluminum wire is illegal to even manufacture in sizes smaller than 10mmsq per conductor here, it's used exclusively for underground feeds
06:39 PM roycroft: the other oddity of british electrical codes is not really a safety issue, although it's touted as such, but a major hassle for building contractors
06:39 PM enleth: where it's only installed by trained professionals using proper tools and termination equipment
06:40 PM XXCoder: electrics wise i just wishthat usa extension cords is all fused
06:40 PM roycroft: they're not allowed to use 230v power outdoors
06:40 PM roycroft: so they have to get 115v tools to work onsite
06:40 PM andypugh: Thinner x2 is a win by more than you might expect. 2 x 2.4mm2 has a lot more current carrying capicity than 1x5mm
06:40 PM roycroft: and they have to haul a voltage reduction transformer to the worksite
06:41 PM roycroft: we use aluminium for both underground feeds and overhead drops
06:41 PM roycroft: we don't use it for interior wiring any more
06:41 PM roycroft: thank goodness
06:41 PM roycroft: but there's a lot of it still around
06:41 PM roycroft: basically, every home built from the mid-1940s through the late 1970s has aluminium wiring in the walls
06:42 PM enleth: roycroft: apparently the only people who are happy to get that 115V on jobsites are framers, as they can use imported helical drive circular saws
06:42 PM enleth: those things are unobtainium for 230V
06:42 PM roycroft: i would agree, btw, with andypugh, that given the choice, i'd rather deal with ring circuits than aluminium wiring
06:42 PM enleth: officially, they don't exist on the european market
06:42 PM roycroft: unless i do the wiring myself
06:43 PM roycroft: it's still a huge cost, enleth
06:43 PM roycroft: and it's only in the uk
06:44 PM roycroft: if you are a carpenter and you need to use a jigsaw outside to cut some stuff, it has to be 115v
06:44 PM roycroft: but if you go inside the building to cut the parts you can use a 230v jigsaw
06:44 PM enleth: it is, and it's pretty dumb at this point, it's trivial to check the statistics and see that the rest of the Europe does not have an electrocution-related construction site death problem at all
06:44 PM roycroft: and the mains will be 230v, so you'd have to schep a transformer inside the building to use your outdoor tools
06:45 PM roycroft: it's always been dumb
06:45 PM enleth: it might have been harder to prove that it is in the past
06:45 PM enleth: now it's obvious
06:46 PM * roycroft wonders of the transformer lobby had anything to do with it
06:46 PM roycroft: if
06:47 PM enleth: I mean, if the requirement was to use 1:1 isolation transformers, I'd get it, there's *some* point in doing that
06:47 PM enleth: but why step the voltage down?
06:47 PM andypugh: I think that they are used to it. and at least the transformers are so ubiquitous that they are very cheap. Even I have a couple, just in case. just in case I want to run them backwards (eviel laug)
06:50 PM roycroft: it seems to me that keeping the mains the same indoors and outdoors, and requiring a gfci circuit breaker on anything that feeds any outdoor wiring, would address the same problem more cost effectively
06:50 PM roycroft: oh, and that's the code in the usa now
06:50 PM roycroft: funny, that
06:50 PM roycroft: enleth: because 115 volts will kill you more slowly then 230v, allegedly
06:51 PM roycroft: they are certainly used to it, andypugh, but being used to something does not make something no longer stupid
06:52 PM andypugh: They are objectively a bit safer. It’s very hard to argue that they are not safer enough to make up for the inconvenience.
06:53 PM roycroft: and i'm not making that argument
06:53 PM andypugh: If you could make that argument convincing then the US would switch to a less effete voltage.
06:53 PM roycroft: but having code require gfci breakers for all outdoor circuits would be cheaper and easier to do
06:54 PM XXCoder: its extremely diffult to change to new standard
06:54 PM roycroft: and would cover more things than just building contractors doing construction
06:54 PM XXCoder: expecially power system. its everywhere
06:54 PM andypugh: Ah, well, but _both_ is clearly the way to go. Won’t someone think of the children!
06:54 PM roycroft: yet our national electrical code changed to require gfci circuits in wet areas
06:55 PM roycroft: which include not only outdoor receptacles, but kitchen, bathroom, laundry room, and other wet area receptacles
06:55 PM XXCoder: one postive is that usa voltage is actually 220v, we just use one half or other
06:55 PM roycroft: yes, our split-phase voltage thing is a bit odd
06:55 PM roycroft: and subject to valid criticism
06:56 PM XXCoder: yeah, though it also means can convert house to 220 type, though good luck buying electric stuff for it
07:08 PM andypugh: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk Inexpensive, mail order, and you can have months of fun trying to argue that CE / BS / ISO / DIN is ewual to UL or whatever.
07:12 PM roycroft: whether it's equivalent or not is irrelevant
07:12 PM roycroft: if it's not ul-certified, and if it fails and causes a fire or other disaster, insurance will not cover the damage
07:13 PM roycroft: and i'm not arguing that ul certification is superior to any other certification in any way, technically
07:13 PM roycroft: i'm just pointing out the insurance implications of not using ul-certified goods
07:14 PM roycroft: and i'll also say that i use non-ul certified devices in my shop
07:15 PM roycroft: fully aware of the liability exposure
07:15 PM andypugh: It seems odd to me that UL is (as far as I know) a commercial entity, whereas everywhere else the standards are set by official;u saonctioned, non-commercial entities.
07:15 PM roycroft: there is this "government is bad" mentality that is a plague in the us
07:15 PM roycroft: self-regulation of industries is part of that
07:16 PM roycroft: my boss is a perfect example of this problem - he's a small business owner
07:16 PM roycroft: he hates government
07:16 PM roycroft: he thinks government is trying to destroy him
07:16 PM roycroft: but every time large corporations do things that harm him, he grimaces, but says "that's capitalism"
07:17 PM enleth: isn't https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein actually the same kind of deal as UL?
07:18 PM roycroft: when i point out that government's job is not to dictate to people, but to try to provide a level playing field where small business like his own can compete with large corporations, he just freaks out and goes back to complaining that government is trying to destroy him
07:19 PM roycroft: it's just something that we have to endure in this country
07:20 PM enleth: roycroft: the worst are the ones who babble about "communism" in the US, while they wouldn't recognize communism if it took a shit square in their face because they're a lucky bunch of fuckers who've never seen it
07:22 PM enleth: for me, living in a country that until just recently was a Soviet satellite state with all the "benefits", this is hugely annoying
07:23 PM XXCoder: its been goto word for far too long yeah
07:23 PM XXCoder: often its same people who gets benefits from socal also, like schools, roads
07:23 PM enleth: I mean, ask rural midwesterners about California
07:24 PM enleth: "Commies!"
07:24 PM XXCoder: new box truck sunroof https://youtu.be/3jStdSyYpOA
07:25 PM enleth: Stalin would have California carpet bombed for decadence and rampant capitalism if he'd seen it today
07:26 PM XXCoder: pretty much
07:26 PM XXCoder: i wonder what he'd think about putin though
07:29 PM andypugh: XXCoder: I knew exactly where that link would go. :-)
07:30 PM XXCoder: andy not surpised lol
07:32 PM enleth: oh wow, they really turned it into a christmas tree now
07:33 PM enleth: and it still doesn't work, of course
07:35 PM andypugh: I do think that “Stop! You are too high!” would be better than the “Overheight Must Turn” message.
07:35 PM XXCoder: probably make sure it dont confuse regular car etc drivers
07:36 PM XXCoder: the new protection bar is pretty well marked already
07:37 PM XXCoder: across channel existance, its been replaced twice already
07:37 PM andypugh: Aye, I have been watching it for years.
07:39 PM XXCoder: same. its somehow addicting :P
07:39 PM XXCoder: like other one where owner keeps towing away illegal parking
07:40 PM XXCoder: hes been real quiet for while however, i gues still very low amount of parking. or his company closed down for good
07:40 PM andypugh: As a motorcyclist I have a better feel foe my height :-)
07:43 PM andypugh: (and as a some-time enduro racer, I have the technique to drop off the side of the bike to get my head below the bike, without stopping)
07:45 PM enleth: XXCoder: oh yes, that one was excellent, with the editing and music
07:45 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:47 PM enleth: the parking lot benny hill
07:53 PM roycroft: well, my jigs worked
07:54 PM roycroft: i'm routing a chamfer on some strips of ash that are 7/16" (11mm) x 1/8" (3mm)
07:54 PM roycroft: i just pushed 16 of the strips through the router table
07:54 PM roycroft: and i can still count to 10 using only my hands
07:55 PM roycroft: the parts all came out fine too
07:57 PM Tom_L: it would be worse if you could count to 20 on those digits
07:57 PM Tom_L: those lamps look quite impressive..
07:58 PM roycroft: i'm still in early prototype mode
07:58 PM roycroft: working out the dimensions and fixturing
07:58 PM roycroft: i'm confident i'll have a quality product in the end that i can sell profitably
08:00 PM roycroft: i recently purchased a saw blade with a 0.80" wide kerf and had it reground to flat grind, for ripping
08:00 PM CloudEvil: 0.08?
08:00 PM roycroft: that will be fine for doing the half lap cuts for which it's intended, but i've been doing some ripping with it to get some thin strips
08:01 PM roycroft: and i've been getting a fair amount of scorching on the strips
08:01 PM roycroft: so perhaps that's not a good blad for ripping long, thin strips
08:02 PM roycroft: i do use a blade stabilizer with it, but i still get the burning
08:02 PM roycroft: i'm trying to conserve wood
08:03 PM CloudEvil: Slightly oversized splitter?
08:03 PM roycroft: the strips are 0.125" and 0.080" wide
08:04 PM roycroft: so a 0.125" saw kerf would waste more wood than i would yield with the narrower strips, and would waste 50% of the wood with the wider strips
08:04 PM roycroft: no splitter
08:04 PM Tom_L: probably couldn't get a decent cut with a bandsaw
08:04 PM roycroft: no, i don't think so
08:04 PM roycroft: but that's an option
08:05 PM roycroft: since i'm getting the scorching, i'm having to rip wider strips and run them through the drum sander to clean them up, wasting even more wood
08:06 PM Tom_L: that's why i thought about the bandsaw
08:06 PM roycroft: if i could rip them on the bandsaw and then run them through the drum sander i might be better off
08:06 PM roycroft: because i can use a blade with a 0.025" kerf on the bandsaw
08:06 PM roycroft: my goal, though, it to save the drum sanding operation, and rip ready-to-use strips on the tablesaw
08:07 PM roycroft: i do have a 0.9375" blade
08:07 PM roycroft: it's not flat ground, but for ripping the strips that is not a big deal
08:07 PM roycroft: er
08:07 PM roycroft: 0.09375" :)
08:07 PM Tom_L: i knew what you meant
08:08 PM roycroft: 0.9375" would be a hell of a blade
08:08 PM Tom_L: dato
08:08 PM roycroft: yup
08:08 PM Tom_L: dado?
08:08 PM roycroft: ditto?
08:09 PM roycroft: i am suspecting that my fence is drifting out of parallel a bit
08:09 PM roycroft: i replaced my biesemeyer fence with a consumer grade vega, because i had a vega on my last saw and i loved it
08:10 PM roycroft: but that was the professional version - a lot bigger/thicker/more robust
08:10 PM Tom_L: clean the blade after you align it again
08:10 PM roycroft: i clean it every time i remove it
08:10 PM roycroft: i've been meaning to put the biesemeyer fence up for sale, but haven't gotten around to it
08:10 PM andypugh: I think that the splitter idea is a good one. Or, cross the boundaries, run coolant.
08:10 PM roycroft: i might go back to it
08:11 PM roycroft: coolant would be pretty weird on a tablesaw
08:11 PM andypugh: So?
08:11 PM roycroft: high pressure air, mayhap
08:11 PM roycroft: with coolant, the wood would be expanding as it's cooled
08:12 PM roycroft: so it would be a wash, at best
08:12 PM roycroft: i shall check to see if the fence is still parallel, as i suspect that is the issue
08:12 PM roycroft: and if it's not, i'm going to burn things every time i use the fence
08:13 PM roycroft: and the thinner the blade, the more it will burn
08:14 PM Tom_L: never heard of using coolant on wood. i think that would be a bad idea
08:14 PM roycroft: i agree
08:14 PM roycroft: except air would not be bad
08:14 PM roycroft: but it might be useless
08:14 PM Tom_L: no
08:14 PM roycroft: however, i need to fix the problem
08:15 PM roycroft: not compensate for it
08:15 PM roycroft: but right now i need to start making pizza
08:15 PM roycroft: because yum
08:15 PM XXCoder: comps can cause you to have to comp for it elsewhere too
08:16 PM XXCoder: going down stuff
08:16 PM XXCoder: so its better to fix overall
08:17 PM roycroft: that's my usual approach, xxcoder
08:17 PM roycroft: don't just get through the day
08:18 PM roycroft: fix the problem
08:18 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/193745324001
08:18 PM Tom_L: too bad you couldn't find something like that for the saw
08:19 PM Tom_L: https://www.kbctools.com/itemdetail/5-745C-040
08:19 PM Tom_L: dished for clearance
08:20 PM XXCoder: roy indeed
08:25 PM roycroft: i'll also measure runout on the saw blade, but i suspect it's about nil, because it's a brand-new forrest blade
08:26 PM roycroft: and there is clearance between the blade plate and the carbide tips
08:26 PM roycroft: that's not an issue
08:29 PM roycroft: https://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker-ii-thin-kerf/10-woodworker-ii-saw-blade-40-teeth-ultra-thin-kerf/
08:29 PM roycroft: that is the blade i'm using, but i had it reground for a flat kerf
08:30 PM Tom_L: i knew you had it ground but wasn't aware it was carbide tipped
08:33 PM roycroft: i did not pay that much for it either
08:33 PM roycroft: nobody in their right mind pays list price for forrest blades
08:33 PM roycroft: i think i paid about $120
08:33 PM roycroft: and then $18 for the regrind
08:35 PM Tom_L: good tools in the right hands = good results
08:39 PM Rhine_Labs: Sup.
08:44 PM roycroft: a forrest blade will last several regrindings if it's not abused
08:45 PM roycroft: and that particular one had about as much carbide as i've ever seen on a saw blade
08:45 PM roycroft: even after flat grinding it, which removed a lot of the carbide, it's probably good for 10-15 resharpenings
08:47 PM roycroft: my garage door opener delivery was just bumped to tomorrow, which is still acceptable
08:47 PM roycroft: monday would be right otu
08:47 PM roycroft: out
08:47 PM roycroft: and at least ontrac are keeping me updated
08:48 PM roycroft: much better than home "we shipped it - not our problem" depot
08:49 PM Tom_L: heh
08:51 PM roycroft: some of my friends want me to host a tiki party
08:51 PM roycroft: i'm the entertainer of the group, so whenever there's a party, i host it
08:51 PM roycroft: tiki drinks are great, tiki food is great, and tiki music is great, so i figured it would be fun
08:52 PM roycroft: then i found that hipsters have discovered tiki culture, and as a result, tiki mugs are outrageously expensive
08:52 PM roycroft: decent mugs are around $20 each
08:53 PM roycroft: five friends coming to the party, times 4 mugs each to get through the night, and we're talking $400 in barware for this, not even counting the cost of the beverages and food
08:54 PM * roycroft is having a hard time justifying that cost
08:54 PM roycroft: they will pitch in on the food and beverage expense, but the infrastructure cost is on me
08:55 PM roycroft: i guess if i do it we'll have to have several tiki parties so i can amortise the cost reasonably
08:56 PM roycroft: and btw, $20/mug is the rock bottom low end of the cost
08:56 PM roycroft: many tiki mugs go for hundreds of dollars each
08:57 PM Tom_L: not my dollars :)
08:59 PM roycroft: yeah
08:59 PM roycroft: they're cool
08:59 PM roycroft: but $12 for a mug is ok
08:59 PM roycroft: $500 is not
09:03 PM roycroft: i'm convinced that hipsters have ruined both everything good and everything bad
09:04 PM roycroft: they made tiki inaccessable (ruining good) and they have exalted bpr (everything bad)
09:32 PM roycroft: pbr, of course, not bpr
11:00 PM Rhine_Labs: I need a break
11:13 PM roycroft: take a break
11:13 PM roycroft: i authorise it