Jul 14 2021
12:00 AM Bleepshop: Drop mount it to land on the bench ?
12:07 AM roycroft: it can be a controlled crash
12:07 AM * Bleepshop finally got rid of a dead Subaru today. 1 down 1 to go.
12:14 AM roycroft: i have a vw bus to sell
12:14 AM roycroft: today's market for them is insane
12:15 AM roycroft: it's non-running, mostly gutted, but it's a '65 split window bus
12:15 AM roycroft: and it's not all rusted out, so it's worth around US$8000 to a buyer back east
12:15 AM roycroft: and about $1500 locally
12:15 AM roycroft: but i can sell it online, and the buyer back east will send a truck to haul it home
12:16 AM XXCoder: nice
12:16 AM XXCoder: my bro has shell of 1967 vw beetle
12:16 AM XXCoder: "the" year
12:16 AM roycroft: that was an interesting year
12:17 AM roycroft: and kind of a rare year for parts
12:17 AM XXCoder: yeah
12:17 AM roycroft: it's the first year they went from 6v to 12v
12:17 AM XXCoder: so many firsts and lasts for usa
12:18 AM roycroft: i've converted older vws to 12v several times
12:18 AM roycroft: it's pretty easy to do
12:18 AM XXCoder: ever did "swap" with 2010 beetle?
12:18 AM roycroft: replace the generator with an alternator, replace all the bulbs, replace the wiper motor
12:18 AM XXCoder: its easy to do, just drill out serial plate and replace new one serial with it
12:18 AM roycroft: the starter you actually don't need to replace, and don't want to
12:19 AM roycroft: it will run 2x as fast at 12v, but that's a feature
12:19 AM XXCoder: boom its "1970" 2010 beetle
12:27 AM XXCoder: no, im not talking about new beetle if youre wondering
12:27 AM roycroft: that's illegal, and will get you a stiff fine if you're caught, xxcoder
12:27 AM roycroft: yeah, you're talking about a 2010 beetle from brazil
12:27 AM XXCoder: hmm though theres more legal version that you move body over to 1970 frame
12:27 AM XXCoder: or mexico
12:27 AM XXCoder: though thats bit more work
12:27 AM roycroft: i thought the original beetle was discontinued in mexico a few years earlier
12:27 AM roycroft: but i don't recall exactly when, and i could well be wrong
12:27 AM XXCoder: they did, i recall 2010 being last year, but i could remembered it ewrong
12:27 AM roycroft: i'm certain that brazil was the last place they made it
12:27 AM XXCoder: ahh 2004 for mexico
12:27 AM roycroft: i know vw buses a lot better than beetles, although i did drive a tdi new beetle for about 10 years
12:27 AM XXCoder: brazil stopped in 1996
12:27 AM XXCoder: so last year is 2004
01:05 AM Deejay: moin
01:39 AM randy: morning
02:00 AM snakedGT is now known as snaked
04:13 AM Tom_L: morning
04:13 AM XXCoder: yo
10:31 AM roycroft: that lowrider cnc router looks interesting, but i wonder how accurate it is
10:32 AM roycroft: and whether i can easily use linuxcnc to control it instead of a rpi and whatever funky stuff they use on the pi
11:34 AM JT-Shop: if you use a good belt and have a flat table, I'd imagine it's pretty accurate
11:34 AM JT-Shop: accurate enough for wood...
11:35 AM JT-Shop: I would use larger diameter tubing for the Y axis to prevent flexing in the middle
11:58 AM roycroft: and my intended use is for making jigs and fixtures
11:59 AM roycroft: those i can easily clean up by hand
12:00 PM roycroft: and as far as tubing, i'm not sure i'd want to use larger diameter, especially since all the fittings are designed for 25mm or 25.4mm tubing
12:00 PM roycroft: but if i need more rigidity i can use thicker walled tubing than the spec
12:01 PM roycroft: i believe 0.49" is the minimum, and 0.65" is recommended
12:01 PM roycroft: i could go to 0.125" and it would be pretty darn stiff
12:01 PM roycroft: my current router table already has a lip around the edges, so it would not be hard to mount on top of that
12:02 PM roycroft: there's a piece of combination tee track/miter track that goes all the way across the front, but i could either make a filler piece for that for when i use the router or just not have the router travel quite that far
12:24 PM JT-Shop: thicker wall doesn't help much, been there done that
12:26 PM roycroft: larger diameter tubing would mean redesigning all the parts, and that would be a lot of work
12:27 PM roycroft: but it will be a fairly small table, so maybe the stock size will be good enough
12:35 PM puking_rainbows: Howdy folks!
12:36 PM puking_rainbows: Hope _everyone_ is having a beautiful day!
12:36 PM JT-Shop: yeah if your not going 4' 1" tubing would be pretty rigid at 2' length
12:37 PM JT-Shop: when I build a router it will have a wood box beam for the gantry
12:37 PM puking_rainbows: JT-Shop why not metal?
12:38 PM CloudEvil: Wood box beams are really, really stiff.
12:39 PM CloudEvil: Steel is 30 times stiffer than steel. But. Once you correct for density, that is about 3 times stiffer per unit area.
12:41 PM puking_rainbows: You mean stiffer than wood?
12:44 PM roycroft: i'd like the bed to be 2'x4'
12:46 PM roycroft: but the tubing would only be 2', as with that design, the 4' support would be the table itself on which i mount it
12:47 PM roycroft: and fortunately for my needs the z axis travel can be minimal
12:47 PM roycroft: like 4"-6"
12:49 PM roycroft: and you're absolutely correct, cloudevil, the strength/density ratio for wood is much greater than most folks think
12:50 PM roycroft: the main problem with using wood in an application such as a router gantry is not strength, but seasonal wood movement, and that can be eliminated by using manufactured wood products
12:53 PM puking_rainbows: What are wood prices looking like these days?
12:53 PM puking_rainbows: I might give the box beams a shot. The neighbour had a truck full of wood I beams the other day, that looked interesting
12:54 PM puking_rainbows: 2x4 for the top and bottom, plywood for the "web"
12:57 PM JT-Shop: I can make it from metal as I have a machine shop full of metal but wood would be lighter
12:58 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, I'm thinking 1/4" baltic birch for the box part
12:58 PM roycroft: i use a lot of baltic birch plywood
12:58 PM roycroft: the stuff is great to work with
12:59 PM roycroft: and yes, saving weight is a big deal to me for this
12:59 PM JT-Shop: yep I love it too
12:59 PM roycroft: i've by no means settled on the lowerider, but i like the general design
12:59 PM JT-Shop: 2' 1" diameter tube would be stiffer than the plastic parts by far
12:59 PM puking_rainbows: Where do you guys buy your wood? Home depot type of store or special lumber supplier?
12:59 PM roycroft: i really like that i can use my router table as the "rails" for the y axis
12:59 PM roycroft: or x axis
01:00 PM roycroft: i don't like the idea of 3d printing all the connector parts
01:00 PM roycroft: but perhaps i can design my own based on the lowrider
01:01 PM roycroft: i don't mind that it's belt drive - my 3d printer is belt drive, and that works fine
01:01 PM roycroft: i'm sure it can work fine on a larger scale, for what i need
01:01 PM puking_rainbows: roycroft timing belt or V belt?
01:01 PM JT-Shop: menards sometimes has 1/4 BB but usually I go to a hardwood place in town
01:01 PM roycroft: and that keeps the cost down and simplifies the build
01:01 PM roycroft: veegee: fuck off and leave me alone
01:01 PM puking_rainbows: sorry?
01:07 PM roycroft: not only are you an asshole troll, you think we're all stupid
01:07 PM roycroft: go away
01:07 PM * roycroft is done now
01:07 PM puking_rainbows: What is happening?
01:07 PM roycroft: i think i can make the connectors, etc. on my mill/drill once i get that working agin
01:07 PM roycroft: again
01:07 PM roycroft: i'll have to do some more research on designs using the bed as the rails for one axis
01:09 PM JT-Shop: a german guy in here had some nice router tables built from wood
01:10 PM enleth: roycroft: what about trusses for frame members?
01:10 PM enleth: mostly air, stronger than a solid beam if done right
01:10 PM roycroft: i don't have a problem building much of it with wood
01:10 PM roycroft: enleth: my goal is to make the machine as compact as possible so i can easily remove it from the bench and store it in a small amount of space
01:10 PM roycroft: if i can eliminate a complete axis that would be a big win
01:11 PM roycroft: i have a router table now that would be the perfect size for this machine
01:11 PM roycroft: the router table top is two layers of mdf with plastic laminate on top, very flat
01:11 PM roycroft: and it has 1.5" thick ash as the outer rim, about 2" wide
01:12 PM roycroft: ash is a very stiff wood
01:12 PM roycroft: so i think the router table would be a really good platform for a router like this
01:13 PM roycroft: as far as the gantry goes, i've made no decisions on how i would make it, and am open to just about anything, as long as the criteria of light, compact, and stiff are met
01:14 PM enleth: roycroft: also look at images of "cantilever waterjet" - not sure if a milling plotter would work well in this configuration, but it's very popular for waterjets where good unobstructed access to the table is critical
01:14 PM enleth: when not in use, the head is stowed at the axis limits
01:15 PM roycroft: i'll check it out, thanks
01:15 PM enleth: it's so much out of the way some owners basically use the machine's table as a workbench when it's not in use
01:16 PM roycroft: hmm
01:16 PM roycroft: so my router table has a big incra jig on it
01:16 PM roycroft: i only use the front third of the table for the most part
01:17 PM roycroft: if the gantry could tuck back all the way to the back of the table i might still have room to operate the incra jig while the cnc router is "parked"
01:17 PM roycroft: and since the router table would be the frame, there would be no interference issues
01:17 PM roycroft: i'd have to remove the incra jig to use the router, but i remove that jig all the time when i use the router table as an assembly table or whatever
01:19 PM puking_rainbows: JT-Shop I saw your forum picture has a bike, but can't really tell. What bike is that?
01:19 PM JT-Shop: goldwing
01:19 PM JT-Shop: or as I call it my BlueWing
01:19 PM puking_rainbows: Oh nice, what year?
01:19 PM JT-Shop: 09
01:19 PM JT-Shop: they only made 300 of them blue ones
01:19 PM jepler_: puking_rainbows: are you veegee?
01:20 PM puking_rainbows: I have an R nineT
01:20 PM puking_rainbows: Bought a R1200RT for my dad
01:20 PM JT-Shop: R1200RT is a very nice bike
01:21 PM puking_rainbows: jepler_ am I what?
01:21 PM jepler_: puking_rainbows: there was a user "veegee" on this channel. I am asking whether you're the same person.
01:21 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, looks like the log is broken
01:22 PM puking_rainbows: jepler_ no
01:23 PM * JT-Shop goes back to hauling oak into the shop
01:26 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
01:30 PM Connor: Wow. First time in a long time I seen someone get kicked.
01:30 PM roycroft: sadly, that's become commonplace since yesterday
01:30 PM jepler_: For the record, veegee had contacted me from the same IP address
01:31 PM jepler_: It's just one person, they take a lot of banning
01:31 PM roycroft: someone really wants to be here, but really wants to be allowed to misbehave
01:31 PM Connor: I've not been paying any attention.. WTF has he been doing?\
01:32 PM jepler_: wouldn't stop harassing roycroft even after repeated public and private requests to stop.
01:32 PM * roycroft refers connor to the channel logs, as he doesn't think we need to keep going over this
01:32 PM jepler_: evaded a temporary silence to do it again
01:32 PM Connor: roycroft: Fair enough.
01:33 PM roycroft: i almost feel like i should just leave, as this has become so disruptive, but i don't think that should be necessary
01:33 PM roycroft: so i'm not sure what to do
01:35 PM Connor: Dude, not your fault. Don't let that kinda of thing cause you to leave.
01:35 PM captain_morgan: yeah, veegee is/was as annoying as the day is long
01:35 PM Connor: Probably some teeny bopper with nothing else better to do.
01:36 PM captain_morgan: nooo, sadly far more likely another man child who thinks the internet is their personal mancave
01:37 PM puking_rainbows: jepler_ not sure if you saw my private message, but why did you ban me?
01:38 PM jepler_: puking_rainbows: I reviewed the evidence and determined that you are another account of veegee's.
01:38 PM puking_rainbows: That was really weird
01:38 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
01:38 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
01:38 PM enleth: sad thing is, he does some interesting things and shares some valuable knowledge and that is now lost to the channel for a quite silly reason
01:38 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
01:39 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -b by jepler_
01:40 PM enleth: jepler_: you sure this is not a dynamic IP range that will linger in the ban list and possibly whack someone else?
01:41 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
01:41 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
01:42 PM jepler_: enleth: As far as I have been able to determine, the IP addresses are all VPN exit points
01:43 PM enleth: ah, ok
01:43 PM jepler_: Yes there may be collateral damage
01:44 PM _methods: wasn't veegee in the old channel? why would he start actin up over here? very strange
01:45 PM roycroft: this has been going on since he first joined the channel, on the other network
01:45 PM roycroft: it's just escalated as of late
01:46 PM _methods: ah ok so this is something that carried over
01:46 PM _methods: never noticed it really over there
01:46 PM _methods: probably wasn't paying attention
01:46 PM roycroft: i finally got fed up with it the other day, and stopped ignoring most of it
01:47 PM roycroft: anyway, hopefully it will die down, and soon
02:03 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
02:08 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
02:09 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
02:09 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -b by jepler_
02:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
02:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -b by jepler_
02:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
02:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -b by jepler_
02:12 PM * JT-Shop takes 5 with dave as the last oak board has been moved from the carport to the shop
02:30 PM roycroft: i started work on the plugs for my drawer pulls at lunch today
02:30 PM roycroft: i've never worked with wenge before, and while it's a beautiful wood, i'm not sure i ever want to
02:30 PM roycroft: it has ribbon grain like mahogany, but much much harder, and it tears out when you even look at it funny
02:31 PM roycroft: it burns on the table saw, with a freshly sharpened blade
02:31 PM roycroft: and even with a no. 112 plane it just tears out like crazy
02:32 PM roycroft: i guess the way to deal with it is to mill it close to dimension, then sand it
02:32 PM roycroft: yuk
02:36 PM CloudEvil: Razor sharp diamond tooling, with supercritical CO2 as coolant.
02:37 PM CloudEvil: Now I'm wondering if supercritical machining has been done
02:40 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop,
02:40 PM Tom_L: the log seems fine from here
02:40 PM Tom_L: it's taking a nap
02:40 PM Tom_L: it is logging though
02:42 PM Tom_L: i don't care to keep logging this crap anyway until it clears up
02:42 PM roycroft: hopefully it's pretty much over
02:43 PM roycroft: loglog
02:43 PM Tom_L: oh i know
02:43 PM Tom_L: jepler did it
02:43 PM roycroft: are we reciting the names of slide rule scales? :)
02:43 PM Tom_L: i bet he silenced unregistered users
02:43 PM roycroft: yes, he did that earlier
02:43 PM jepler: I'll see if I can exempt the logger
02:44 PM roycroft: maybe register the logger?
02:45 PM jepler_: Tom_L: I don't suppose c-log joins us from a static IP?
02:45 PM Tom_L: nope
02:46 PM Tom_L: it's static on my network but not on the public side
02:46 PM roycroft: if it helps, i could probably set up a squid proxy for c-log to connect to that would present a static ip to the server
02:46 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by jepler_
02:46 PM roycroft: or that :)
02:47 PM Tom_L: oh good! a bot with ops :)
02:47 PM roycroft: no, just voice
02:47 PM jepler_: v should just be voice
02:47 PM Tom_L: imagine what that could do
02:47 PM Tom_L: i know.. just messin
02:47 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -v by jepler_
02:47 PM jepler_: my quiet-exemption doesn't work, I must have it wrong
02:47 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by jepler_
02:47 PM jepler_: well the good thing here is I'm learning/remembering a LOT about IRC
02:48 PM Tom_L: hah
02:48 PM Tom_L: i haven't had to remember in quite a while either
02:48 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i should feel good about that :)
02:48 PM roycroft: as a former server admin, i'm happy to have forgotten most of that stuff
02:50 PM roycroft: so i had the brilliant idea while fighting with the wenge that it might be good for the wheels that travel on the router table to have a degree or two of toe-in to help them track straight, but then realized that they would also have a degree or two of toe-out half the time
02:51 PM Tom_L: if you know where the log is you don't need to query it here anyway
02:53 PM roycroft: it looks like it hasn't ended yet :(
03:23 PM Loetmichel: hey, any spider petparents here? I am writing a fantasy story and I want to have a clutter of sheep sized spiders have dinner with some humans in my story. Any idea if spiders can eat meat or other processed human food? (and yes, WITH, not AS dinner) Or do i have to do some handwaving?
03:26 PM roycroft: well, insects are meat, as in they are animals
03:26 PM roycroft: and spiders eat insects
03:26 PM Tom_L: Loetmichel, let me google that for you: They eat way more meat than humans do. Love them or fear them, but spiders are hungry little things. All the spiders in the world eat more meat per year than humans do. Spiders scoff between 400 and 800 million metric tones of insect meat and other "prey kill."
03:26 PM * roycroft refers loetmichel to the harry potter films for more information about giant spiders, and to the lotr films as well
03:27 PM roycroft: and i'll respectfully decline attending your arachnoid dinners, not that there's anything wrong with that
03:30 PM Loetmichel: hell, i just wanted to know if i have to make the spiders "more human" for them to be able to digest maybe a broth or something (lack of teeth, i think putting a steak into a cocoon so that the spiders can inject their venom and liquify it is probably not what i call "good table manners"... couldnt find an answer on google though if they can digest that.
03:31 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: my Main char just made friends with a group of those monsters and invited them to his home. you dont have to attend. ;)
03:33 PM roycroft: they have some pretty hard mandibles, but they are not chewers
03:33 PM roycroft: they prefer dissolving their meals ahead of them and then sucking down the juices
03:33 PM roycroft: ahead of time, rather
03:33 PM roycroft: which yes, by human standards, is not particularly good table manners
03:34 PM roycroft: and actually makes dinner parties not work very well
03:34 PM roycroft: the would have to arrive a day or two early to "prep" their meals
03:34 PM roycroft: but this is a fantasy story
03:34 PM roycroft: fantasy spiders can do whatever you need them to do
03:40 PM Loetmichel: [22:19] <roycroft> they prefer dissolving their meals ahead of them and then sucking down the juices <- yeah, i know. that would be a bit "awkward" on a human table though
03:40 PM Loetmichel: to dissolve that tbone steak before lapping it up ;)
03:41 PM Loetmichel: and i know that i can handwave it
03:41 PM unterhaus is now known as Eric__
03:41 PM Loetmichel: [22:22] <Loetmichel> that story is as "scinetific" as i can make it though, even the magic is explained as nanites in the MCs blood that can 3dprint on a molecular level and have "grav manipulation" to a degree (to explain telekinesis and stuff)
03:41 PM Loetmichel: [22:23] <Loetmichel> so i want to make sure that spiders can actually eat normal food, and if not how much handwaving i have to do to explain it
03:41 PM Loetmichel: hence the question if they can digest somehting that humans eat
03:42 PM Eric__ is now known as unterhausen
03:43 PM unterhausen: I guess I needed to register
03:43 PM roycroft: maybe ochenswanzsuppe?
03:43 PM roycroft: ochsenschwanzsuppe, rather
03:44 PM unterhausen: I was banned for not registering
03:44 PM Loetmichel: to chunky, roycroft
03:44 PM roycroft: well the broth would be ok
03:44 PM roycroft: there's a bit of drama here lately, unterhausen, involving ban evasion, amongst other things
03:45 PM roycroft: probably best to register and be legit
03:45 PM unterhausen: well, if you want to talk on here, you have to register
03:45 PM unterhausen: as I discovered
03:46 PM unterhausen: i was a little worried because the drama involved a nick that has overlap with mine
03:47 PM roycroft: jepler_ is the chanop who is handling things, and he seems a fair chap, so if you ever have an issue like that again a primsg to him will probably sort it out quickly
03:47 PM roycroft: privmsg
03:48 PM * roycroft cannot type to save his life today
04:08 PM jepler_: I don't always see my messages though :-/
04:15 PM Tom_L: irc can be sooo time consuming :)
04:15 PM roycroft: it's a hard way to make a living
04:16 PM Tom_L: it's hardly a way to make a living
04:16 PM roycroft: that too
04:23 PM jepler is now known as jepler[m]
04:27 PM jepler_ is now known as jepler__
04:28 PM jepler__ is now known as jepler
04:30 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:31 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, got any good ideas on wood storage inside? length and thickness vary by 1/16"
04:31 PM JT-Shop: length 1' to 6'
04:33 PM roycroft: wood storage is the bane of my existence
04:33 PM roycroft: i'm probably not a good person to ask, because i don't have a good solution
04:34 PM roycroft: my solution is to stash pieces of wood in every nook and cranny, and still trip over the overflow on a regular basis
04:34 PM JT-Shop: starting to stack by thickness
04:34 PM JT-Shop: I'm used to that plan...
04:34 PM roycroft: i just don't have the room for anything more organized
04:34 PM JT-Shop: I always try and find just the right board to minimize waste
04:35 PM roycroft: me too
04:35 PM roycroft: and i almost have just the right board
04:35 PM roycroft: and it almost always takes me an hour or more to find it, but i know i have it
04:35 PM JT-Shop: that's the frustrating part
04:35 PM roycroft: one of the reasons i've cut back on brewing is so i can get rid of some of the brewing equipment, and have more room for wood storage
04:36 PM JT-Shop: I need to get rid of my 25 gallon system... don't drink much beer anymore, makes me fat
04:36 PM roycroft: that's another reason
04:37 PM JT-Shop: break minute is up back to the planer
04:37 PM roycroft: i've cut back on drinking beer because i'm trying to lose weight
04:37 PM roycroft: and i haven't been able to share with friends for over a year because of the pandemic
04:37 PM JT-Shop: I went from 240 to 175 to 185 and need to get back to 175
04:37 PM JT-Shop: I feel better below 180
04:38 PM roycroft: a lot of the aches and pains i attributed to getting older went away when i dropped 15kg of weight
04:38 PM JT-Shop: I really want to get to 12 stone and stay near that
04:39 PM roycroft: 11.5 stone would be ideal for me, but i'm not tall
04:40 PM XXCoder: ugh dieting is basucally impossible for me
04:40 PM JT-Shop: I'm shrinking... lost 1/2" of height
04:40 PM * JT-Shop goes back to work in the wood shop
06:00 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:00 PM JT-Cave: test
06:01 PM JT-Cave: ok got hexchat configured to log me in
06:06 PM Tom_L: that's a start
06:06 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, wtf is 074AAANKJ about?
06:06 PM Tom_L: says it's you
06:07 PM JT-Cave: I saw a mistake in the documents the other day but can't find it now
06:07 PM JT-Cave: I have no clue what that is...
06:07 PM JT-Cave: where do you see that?
06:07 PM Tom_L: in the user list
06:07 PM JT-Cave: oh I see it now
06:07 PM Tom_L: matrix?
06:08 PM JT-Cave: yep looks like a matrix thing
06:08 PM Tom_L: somebody's gonna steal your ident and run up a bill on irc
06:08 PM JT-Cave: for me even
06:09 PM Tom_L: i wonder if matrix users can speak here
06:09 PM JT-Cave: I've never been able to
06:10 PM Tom_L: capn has but i dunno what the restrictions do to that link
06:10 PM Tom_L: maybe this new plastic i put on the mill won't crack as fast this time
06:11 PM Tom_L: the goal was to fix a coolant leak but it snowballed
06:12 PM JT-Cave: I know how that goes
06:12 PM Tom_L: now it's too hot out there to test it
06:13 PM JT-Cave: I moved a 6' tall 8' long 2' wide pile of oak from the carport to the wood shop and now processing it into boards and firewood
06:13 PM Tom_L: you ever finish your wood pile cover?
06:13 PM Tom_L: or still waiting on lumber cost
06:14 PM JT-Cave: firewood roof, no... but 2x4x8pt at hd is only $4.50
06:14 PM JT-Cave: which is odd
06:14 PM Tom_L: huh
06:14 PM JT-Cave: 2x4x8 pine #2 is $7.50
06:14 PM roycroft: prices are going way down here on construction lumber
06:15 PM roycroft: i haven't been to the hardwood vendors in a couple weeks, so i don't know what's going on there
06:15 PM JT-Cave: timber is down $1000 from the peak and only lacks $300 to hit a low
06:16 PM XXCoder: jobs is recovering pretty rapidly
06:16 PM XXCoder: 800k rehired by now i think?
06:16 PM Tom_L: what about yours?
06:16 PM XXCoder: so im not surpised that timer prices is going down
06:16 PM JT-Cave: osb is still $47 a sheet for 7/16" due to the lack of airplane flights and the cutback on jet fuel
06:16 PM XXCoder: tom might happen in couple weeks
06:17 PM JT-Cave: a byproduct of jet fuel is used in the glue
06:17 PM roycroft: the resin shortage will sort itself one way or another
06:17 PM Tom_L: huh
06:17 PM Tom_L: didn't know that
06:17 PM JT-Cave: yea
06:17 PM roycroft: so i "ebonized" the ends of a piece of wenge a while ago
06:17 PM JT-Cave: I'm still not shipping anything international via usps until international flights become more regular
06:18 PM JT-Cave: did you burn it?
06:18 PM roycroft: i won't know how it turned out until tomorrow, but i'm thinking about ebonizing some walut as well
06:18 PM roycroft: no
06:18 PM JT-Cave: blackened it somehow?
06:18 PM Tom_L: black walnut?
06:18 PM Tom_L: that's pretty black
06:18 PM JT-Cave: I have a bit of that
06:18 PM roycroft: i first of all sanded it to 220 grit, then put a couple coats of india ink on the ends, and when that was dry i dyed some grain filler jet black and applied that over the ends
06:19 PM roycroft: the grain filler needs a couple hours to dry before i wipe it and recoat
06:19 PM roycroft: the india ink did a pretty good job, but to truly make it look like ebony i need to close the pores as well
06:20 PM JT-Cave: yeah that chunk I have is pretty tight grain
06:20 PM roycroft: the walnut contains tannins, so i'll ebonize that by dissolving some steel wool pads in some vinegar and applying that solution to the ebony
06:20 PM roycroft: er
06:20 PM roycroft: to the walnut that i want to make look like ebony
06:21 PM JT-Cave: interesting
06:21 PM roycroft: walnut is a lot softer than wenge, but the grain is a lot more closed
06:21 PM Tom_L: real ebony is rather hard isn't it?
06:21 PM roycroft: yes, it's very hard and brittle, but also is very very tight-grained
06:21 PM roycroft: you can polish it to a mirror finish without having to add any fillers
06:21 PM roycroft: and that's the look i'm going for
06:22 PM roycroft: i have a small stash of real, jet black ebony, that i've been hoarding for a couple decades or so
06:23 PM roycroft: i'm planning on taking a small chunk of it and making a sample plug so i have something to compare my other efforts to directly
06:23 PM roycroft: a lot of people ebonize walnut, and i really hope that works
06:24 PM roycroft: especially since i have a fair amount of walnut sapwood that i don't want to have to bother dying to match the heartwood - that's a lot of work
06:24 PM Tom_L: pretty hard to hide the fact it's still walnut
06:24 PM roycroft: if it can turn into faux ebony easily that's great
06:24 PM roycroft: well i'm experimenting
06:24 PM roycroft: i'll see how close i can come to the real thing
06:25 PM Tom_L: takes alot of finish and filler to make it glass smooth
06:25 PM roycroft: people ebonize ash as well, but i don't think there's any way i can make that look like actual ebony
06:25 PM roycroft: i'm only using small bits of end grain, tom_l
06:25 PM Tom_L: beech is a hard closed pore wood isn't it?
06:25 PM roycroft: that should be easier than doing face grain
06:26 PM roycroft: yes, but most beech that one can get around here is steamed, and doesn't take stains/dyes well
06:26 PM roycroft: so i could probably get the texture, but almost certainly not the color
06:27 PM roycroft: the wenge looked promising after the india ink, but i won't know if it will work until i finish filling the pores and polishing it out
06:27 PM roycroft: i already don't like working with it though, but i'll give it a good go before i write it off
11:00 PM _unreal_: the last 3 min are freaky
11:00 PM _unreal_: the "dead" plants are moving to sunlight
11:00 PM _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HymMseLrc0k
11:01 PM roycroft: feed me!
11:06 PM roycroft: the smoke was back at dinner tonight, but it's not too bad (yet)
11:09 PM XXCoder: smoke seasoin started for you already?
11:12 PM XXCoder: no smoke here yet, but its coming :( huge fires
11:12 PM XXCoder: http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_us/~3/-G1Uu0eXjKQ/index.html
11:22 PM roycroft: you have a pretty big conflagration near walla walla
11:22 PM roycroft: and several in central and western washington now
11:24 PM XXCoder: sucks, though air is still clear here, it wont be too long