Jul 13 2021
01:59 AM veegee: Which one of you muted me?
02:06 AM veegee: And why?
02:06 AM veegee: I didn't know roycroft was a master puppeteer
02:06 AM veegee: No need to be a coward, just provide a reason
02:37 AM Eric_: how do you know someone muted you?
02:42 AM Eric_ is now known as unterhausen
02:42 AM XXCoder: dunno
02:42 AM unterhausen: probably anti-forklift consortium conspiracy
02:42 AM XXCoder: one of ways is lack of responding, but then that could be just ignoring (not program ignore)
02:42 AM unterhausen: typical irc etiquette is that if you have nothing to say, don't say anything
03:28 AM Deejay: moin
04:17 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:17 AM Tom_L: morning
05:02 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:12 AM XXCoder: heys
06:31 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
07:38 AM CloudEvil: https://imgur.com/gallery/lqR80xB When you have enough axes.
09:54 AM jepler: I answered veegee in private.
10:15 AM sync: jepler: it doesn't really matter if you write your rules down in the CoC or not, as it only matters once you enforce them
10:18 AM sync: so all you really achieved is to ruffle feathers, especially since there's no real cause for having explicit rules aside from your own feelings towards having them
10:30 AM * JT-Shop thinks he needs a new email software, thunderbird uses 1.95GB of space for AppData alone!
10:35 AM _methods: you need hotmail
10:35 AM _methods: it's what all the cool kids are using
10:35 AM * roycroft just hopes that we're past this chapter of channel drama
10:36 AM roycroft: i think jt-shop is talking about client software, not a mail provider
10:36 AM JT-Shop: right
10:36 AM _methods: i wish i could remember my aol email
10:36 AM roycroft: try mh :)
10:36 AM _methods: i was jokin.......
10:36 AM * roycroft used mh for many many years, and is still sad that it's no longer maintained
10:36 AM _methods: #whooooooosh
10:37 AM _methods: have you tried sylpheed JT-Shop
10:38 AM JT-Shop: no
10:38 AM _methods: assuming this is for linux
10:38 AM JT-Shop: actually sylpheed is cross platform
10:38 AM _methods: https://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/
10:39 AM JT-Shop: Sylpheed is unable to send HTML mail. This is intentional, since the developers consider HTML mail to be harmful. It is still possible to receive HTML mail using Sylpheed.
10:39 AM JT-Shop: interesting
10:41 AM roycroft: i would avoid that software like the plague, given that one line you just quoted
10:41 AM roycroft: it sounds like djbware come back to haunt us
10:43 AM roycroft: and for the record, i dislike html mail as well, but it's not for me to impose my wishes on others like that
10:43 AM JT-Shop: I actually have python code to make my own mail client for gnipsel.com but it might be a bitch to get gmail with all the security crap they have
10:44 AM * roycroft sees not being able to use gmail as a feature
10:45 AM JT-Shop: yea, I need to figure out where the forum email setting is and move it from gmail
10:54 AM roycroft: i still run my own mail server
10:55 AM roycroft: i have a few dozen users, so it's not just for me
11:03 AM roycroft: so fortunately it's not really smokey here yet
11:03 AM roycroft: the sunrise was orange this morning, though, so i know the smoke is out there
11:03 AM roycroft: but the sky is blue now, so the smoke is still fairly distant
11:04 AM roycroft: it looks like the wind will pick up to 25km/h later on today, still from the northeast, and i should imagine that would blow the smoke a lot closer fairly quickly
11:05 AM roycroft: the bootleg fire is now the largest fire in the nation, having surpassed a couple big ones in california overnight
11:05 AM sync: Connor: well, what did you expect?
11:08 AM sync: I'm rather suprised at how civilized in general it has been
12:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://micro.ros.org/ NuttX runs on it now, might be of interest
12:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/micro-ROS/NuttX
12:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/micro-ROS/micro_ros_nuttx_app
01:03 PM Connor: sync: Huh? What?
01:14 PM sync: Connor: the discussion on the list about the CoC
01:15 PM Connor: *shrug* I've dropped it. Was just wondering what the deal was. Let the thread die.. Let the conversation die.
01:17 PM sync: nah, it's good that it's still alive
01:22 PM roycroft: i think that as long as people are behaving decently there's no need to discuss the code of conduct as relates to this channel
02:54 PM roycroft: uh oh, the matrix link broke
02:54 PM roycroft: someone must have been passing out the wrong color pills
03:52 PM Tom_L: was never known for being stable
03:56 PM roycroft: stability is overrated anyway
04:38 PM sync: roycroft: well, as long as people behave there is no need to have one, so the discussion is always worthwhile
04:46 PM roycroft: i suppose
04:55 PM snakedGT is now known as snaked
07:35 PM veegee: roycroft hello! hope you're having a great day!
07:38 PM veegee: XXCoder was the "maybe they prefer you strighten it up to your opreference?" a joke or were you serious?
07:38 PM veegee: Because I'm not sure how to actually go about straightening it
07:39 PM veegee: At least the runout is consistent along the axis of rotation. Could have been worse
07:40 PM roycroft: i have asked you time and time again not to engage me, veege, please respect my wishes
07:44 PM veegee: roycroft You don't need to engage :) I'm just saying hoping you have a great day!
07:45 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +q by ChanServ
07:46 PM roycroft: with all du respect, veegee, go fuck yourself
07:46 PM roycroft: you're just pushing the limits of what you can get away with
07:46 PM roycroft: do not talk to me
07:46 PM roycroft: do not refer to me
07:46 PM roycroft: just leave me the fuck alone
07:47 PM Tom_L: why not just put him on ignore and do us all a favor?
07:47 PM jepler_: I have muted veegee and I have asked both veegee and roycroft to disengage.
07:48 PM veegee_: jepler stop muting me. I'm not violating any rules
07:49 PM jepler_: veegee_: you have repeatedly been asked not to harass another user of this channel, but you choose to continue your behavior
07:49 PM veegee_: It's not harassment
07:49 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
07:49 PM Tom_L: it is taken as such and you know it
07:49 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
07:49 PM veegee_: He's free to mute
07:53 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
07:55 PM roycroft: tom_l: in answer to your question, putting a person on /ignore makes following the conversations on the channel difficult, and should not be necessary if a person is behaving reasonably
07:55 PM roycroft: i don't think i should have to suffer because of someone else's behavior
07:55 PM Tom_L: well it's been dealt with for now so smile and move on
07:55 PM roycroft: it's been dealt with for the moment
07:55 PM roycroft: i hope it's for good, but i'm not sure the message is getting through
07:55 PM roycroft: and i'm not happy about any of this
07:57 PM Tom_L: any savvy troll can find a way back if they really want to
07:58 PM Tom_L: just ask flyback :)
07:59 PM Guest92: jepler_ not cool man
07:59 PM _unreal_: "<roycroft> i don't think i should have to suffer because of someone else's behavior" I have been $$$ suffering becuase of my xwife ever sense she decided to screw every guy she could find.
07:59 PM flyback: BMCC
07:59 PM Tom_L: :)
07:59 PM flyback: why is veegee banned
07:59 PM Guest92: flyback because I said hello to roycroft
08:00 PM flyback: tell him BMCC
08:00 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
08:00 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
08:00 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -b by jepler_
08:01 PM roycroft: i only know about your situation from your perspective, _unreal_, so i can't comment on the validity of it, but i don't think mself differntly to anyone else
08:01 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -q by jepler_
08:01 PM roycroft: if you're suffering because of someone else's behavior that's also not right
08:01 PM Guest43: jepler_ what you're doing is harassment
08:02 PM jepler_: Can we please drop this matter and get back to linuxcnc?
08:02 PM Guest43: jepler_ yes, can we please?
08:02 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
08:03 PM flyback: *CANUCKED* *CANUCK*
08:03 PM Tom_L: flyback, been there done that?
08:03 PM flyback: hehe
08:03 PM _unreal_: roycroft, well my xwife broke are court agreement last year and tried to steal are daughter. FAILED but layers layers layers
08:04 PM _unreal_: this year she tried to kill her self FAILED....
08:04 PM _unreal_: layers layers layers
08:04 PM flyback: fun
08:04 PM _unreal_: now I found out she took my year for claiming child taxes
08:04 PM _unreal_: so more layers
08:04 PM _unreal_: I've spent soo much god damn money its sick
08:04 PM flyback: Guest6177, BMCC
08:05 PM flyback: Guest6177, https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/e2lukv/right_on_the_lips/ <--- going to be you if you keep ban evading
08:05 PM roycroft: _unreal_: from what you've said just now and what you've said in the past, i have a fairly good sense that you're not the one doing wrong in this situation, but it's still not right for me to form any firm opinion of the situation based on input from one side
08:06 PM _unreal_: fare enough
08:07 PM _unreal_: though I could PM a copy of my divorce agreement. that would silence all doubts
08:07 PM roycroft: it's really none of my business
08:07 PM roycroft: and i prefer to keep it that way
08:07 PM Tom_L: nor the rest of us
08:08 PM roycroft: on my list of things i find interesting, i think a divorce agreement is well towards the bottom :)
08:09 PM roycroft: let's just say i take you at your word that you're not the bad guy
08:09 PM roycroft: anway, my cunning plan to build a cnc router to fit underneath my router table is not seeming like such a good idea as i ponder it more
08:10 PM roycroft: the space where it would have to fit is really tight, and would likely require too many compromises to work out decently
08:11 PM roycroft: so i guess that now i have to design one that i can easily dismantle and store compactly, and just as easily reassemble
08:11 PM jepler_: good modular wiring is a must then
08:11 PM roycroft: that's not a problem - i'm pretty used to doing that
08:11 PM roycroft: and i have a lot of molex connectors
08:12 PM roycroft: there's no way this is going to be made out of mdf though
08:12 PM roycroft: i've had several folks tell me that i should use that if it's just going to be used for routing wood
08:13 PM roycroft: 80/20 and custom aluminium plates will be the way to go, both for the ease of assembly/disassembly, and for weight savings
08:13 PM _unreal_: OH I just rememberd
08:13 PM _unreal_: I need to design a box to 3d print
08:13 PM * roycroft should probably start making dinner soon
08:14 PM _unreal_: for the mini scissor lift I have
08:14 PM _unreal_: din din WAY ahead of ya
08:14 PM roycroft: ack
08:14 PM _unreal_: already in the oven
08:14 PM roycroft: we had a grass fire on i5 about 10 minutes from here
08:14 PM roycroft: fortunately it was put out quickly
08:14 PM roycroft: you're 3 hours ahead of me as well, _unreal_
08:16 PM _unreal_: I feel like I'm 3 hours behind though ;)
08:18 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -q by jepler_
08:18 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -q by jepler_
08:18 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +q by jepler_
08:19 PM ChanServ changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest release: 2.8.2 | http://www.linuxcnc.org | Only registered accounts may speak
08:21 PM jepler_: [that may be too strong, I can undo it if necessary]
08:21 PM Tom_L: our secondary nics aren't registered and on a netsplit that would show up if we rejoin
08:22 PM Tom_L: hello staff
08:33 PM roycroft: and there
08:33 PM roycroft: is another new fire to the northeast, this one on my side of the mountains
08:34 PM roycroft: it's only 60 acres right now, but it's in rugged terrain and expected to grow rapidly
08:34 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -q by jepler_
08:34 PM ChanServ changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest release: 2.8.2 | http://www.linuxcnc.org
08:37 PM Guest6177: hello
08:38 PM Guest6177: roycroft, hope you're having a great day!
08:40 PM Guest6177: roycroft hope your dinner turned out great. I have to head out for a bit, but I'll check in on ya soon ;)
08:40 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by jepler_
08:40 PM jepler_: Md: ^^ there was our friend
08:41 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +q by jepler_
08:41 PM ChanServ changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest release: 2.8.2 | http://www.linuxcnc.org | Only registered accounts may speak
08:41 PM Tom_L: that was quick :)
08:41 PM jepler_: I have a feeling we'll need to leave it that way until veegee stops. You CAN register alternate nicks with nickserv, in case netsplits are a concern.
08:42 PM Tom_L: yeah it's just a pain for everybody else
08:42 PM Tom_L: no good solution
08:43 PM Tom_L: you had to be registered on freenode as well but it would identify alternates
08:43 PM jepler_: configuring your irc client to sign in with sasl really helps, and configuring nickserv for 1 or 2 alternate nicks makes it MOSTLY a forgettable problem but it is a bit of an advanced topic.
08:43 PM Tom_L: i had that set and it wasn't working right. maybe i set it wrong
08:43 PM JavaBean: what ircs me the most though is that these 2 systems running on the same wifi can end up on either side of a netsplit
08:44 PM jepler_: you can use the GROUP command with nickserv, that is how I can do operator things as jepler_
08:44 PM jepler_: there may indeed have been an early problem with it
08:45 PM jepler_: I am stepping away but DMs to jepler (not this account) will cause pings on my phone for at least the next 90 minutes. failing that, contact libera staff if there are problems.
08:56 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:59 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:24 PM * roycroft sincerely hopes that jepler_'s phone does not get pinged
09:25 PM XXCoder: knew vee would go too far
10:23 PM spread_the_love: roycroft hey there buddy!
10:23 PM roycroft: go fuck yourself, veegee
10:23 PM spread_the_love: roycroft hope you're having a splendid night
10:23 PM spread_the_love: roycroft why so rude man?
10:24 PM spread_the_love: I genuinely want to know
10:27 PM spread_the_love: roycroft it was funny before, but now I'm genuinely concerned about your mental health.
10:28 PM spread_the_love: Like you could have just ignored my username and it would have been fine. Not sure why you didn't do that.
10:31 PM spread_the_love: roycroft I think it'll get harder as the fuhrer keeps banning my (known) accounts for no good reason. I've honestly have never observed this kind of reaction past middle school. Why the burning hate?
10:31 PM XXCoder: jepler_:
10:32 PM Tom_L: veegee we might also ask why you keep pestering him on purpose
10:32 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
10:32 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by XXCoder
10:33 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -o by XXCoder
10:33 PM Tom_L: i give that about 2 min before he's back
10:35 PM roycroft: i'm truly sorry this is happening, but i really don't think that it's my behavior that needs to change
10:36 PM roycroft: sure, it would be easy for me to use /ignore, but that would not solve the problem, and it would only be a matter of time before the cretin finds someone else to harass
10:36 PM roycroft: the solution is to get rid of the problem, not to ignore the problem
10:37 PM Tom_L: it does take 2 and he found the wound to poke
10:37 PM roycroft: that's bullshit
10:38 PM roycroft: that's the same thing as saying anyone who is arrested must be guilty of something
10:38 PM Tom_L: i'm just saying it bothers you and he knows it and enjoys it
10:39 PM roycroft: and you're also partially blaming me
10:39 PM Tom_L: well you could ignore for a spell until it passes
10:39 PM roycroft: that he enjoys it is the problem
10:39 PM Tom_L: so in a way yes i am
10:39 PM roycroft: i could, but it would not be ribght
10:39 PM roycroft: right
10:39 PM roycroft: and i just explained why
10:40 PM roycroft: i'm not going to stand down and let some asshole walk all over me or anyone else
10:40 PM Tom_L: yes i can see that
10:40 PM roycroft: i used to operate an irc server on efnet, back in the wild, wild '90s
10:41 PM roycroft: i know what it is like for a chanop or severop to have to deal with someone like him
10:41 PM Tom_L: been there done that as well
10:41 PM roycroft: i'm not happy that this is happening, and i don't wish it
10:41 PM roycroft: but that doesn't mean i should just back off and pretend it's not happening
10:42 PM roycroft: and if i'm honest, i'm really tired of talking about this and feeling the need to defend myself
10:43 PM roycroft: i'm in no way the protagonist here
10:43 PM roycroft: and i'm in no way willing to be the victim
11:25 PM roycroft: i wonder if i should consider getting a shaper origin, which would be a very portable cnc router
11:25 PM roycroft: for making templates and jigs, it would be just fine
11:26 PM roycroft: the biggest turnoff to me is the need for all that non-reusable locating tape, and the need to have a large surface area to apply all the tape to
11:36 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: I've heard you can print your own with narrow rolls of sticky label.
11:45 PM roycroft: it's still wasteful
11:45 PM roycroft: it seems they have a "workbench" now, though, that has the dots preprinted
11:46 PM roycroft: one can clamp the part on the workbench, do the routing, remove it, and mount the next part on, without having to use new tape
11:49 PM roycroft: the other potential issue is software - i don't know what the shaper origin needs to generate code for it
11:49 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Sounds like something you could DIY with a plank and some labels.
11:49 PM roycroft: yes, but their workbench is pretty cheap
11:49 PM roycroft: it's probably easiest to just buy that
11:51 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Looks like it reads SVG files..
11:51 PM roycroft: it's something i'd have to think about for quite a while though - i'm afraid that i might find the product too limiting, and for US$2800 i'm not sure i want to be limited
11:51 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: https://support.shapertools.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002735274-SVG-Files-Basics
11:52 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: You
11:52 PM Bleepshop: re wanting a panel cutter ?
11:52 PM roycroft: svg would be fine
11:52 PM roycroft: i mainly want to be able to make jigs/fixtures
11:52 PM roycroft: so mostly 2d stuff
11:53 PM roycroft: i'd like an envelope of 2'x4'/300mmx1200mm
11:53 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: I was working on a Lowrider V2 when the beast appeared. Seemed simple to scale to whatever size you need.
11:54 PM roycroft: my main concern is that i don't have the floor space for a cnc router
11:54 PM roycroft: i would need to bench mount it, and easily be able to remove it and store it compactly
11:54 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: That's easy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyuDxpbRedk
11:55 PM roycroft: this is what makes the shaper origin somewhat interesting
11:58 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: You could do a fold-up version and mount it on the wall or the end of the bench maybe ? https://www.instructables.com/Fliptable-LowRider-CNC/
11:58 PM roycroft: it would actually be easier for me to hoist it up to the ceiling to store
11:59 PM roycroft: i have negative wall space available