#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 12 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:20 AM jdh_ is now known as jdh
12:34 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:39 AM randy__ is now known as randy
02:04 AM Deejay: moin
03:04 AM mrec: is it possible to reconfigure a REMAP on the fly without having to restart linuxcnc?
03:14 AM rs[m]: mrec: if you remapped it to g-code, you can change the g-code, no need to restart
04:18 AM Tom_L: morning
04:18 AM XXCoder: yo
05:39 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:39 AM XXCoder: yo
05:40 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, the van is getting worn out with 167k miles
05:40 AM JT-Cave: when I started it up the other day a big puff of smoke came out
06:16 AM alex_joni: morning all
07:06 AM JT-Cave: hey
07:13 AM Tom_L: 61 & sunny Hi 85
07:24 AM alex_joni: sunny and 102F tomorrow here
08:10 AM enleth: that's one hell of a meat tenderizer: https://www.bricoman.pl/pub/media/catalog/product/8/5/c/f/groszkownik_sds_max_x_mm_20182176_picture.jpg
10:53 AM roycroft: we have a new fire east of here that is threatening a lot of homes
10:53 AM roycroft: there's already a large evacuation zone, but the fire is so new there's not much information about it yet
11:01 AM Rab_: roycroft, ugh
11:02 AM Rab_ is now known as Rab
11:13 AM roycroft: yeah, not fun
11:13 AM roycroft: and the bootleg fire finally has an estimate of containment - 30 november
11:31 AM JT-Cave: https://kcgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4bfb02b41eb7473ca95b04c3cbd1da21
12:47 PM Roguish_desk: https://g1.ipcamlive.com/player/player.php?alias=5e863c6e0e66d
02:44 PM roycroft: the bootleg fire has disrupted power transmission lines from the bpa to california, and that's affecting the already seriously stressed power grid down south of us
02:44 PM Tom_L: they didn't start it did they?
02:45 PM roycroft: the cause of the fire is undetermined
03:00 PM XXCoder: hmm maybe good news. i called lmy last job and they may have place for me in 3 weeks
03:01 PM XXCoder: turns out they elimated all shifts but day shift
03:01 PM XXCoder: it had gotten that bad
03:02 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:02 PM XXCoder: yeah
03:06 PM Tom_L: Roguish_desk, is that off your back deck?
03:16 PM Connor: Hey Guys, not to bring drama to the IRC channel.. but, WTF is going on with the CoC discussion thread on the mailing list?
03:16 PM Connor: and people yanking down projects and stuff?
03:17 PM XXCoder: what is CoC
03:18 PM Connor: Code of Conduct?
03:18 PM XXCoder: ah yes that new coc, dunno, I dont really take part of forums
03:18 PM XXCoder: it seemed reasonable terms so not sure why people dislike it
03:22 PM Connor: Looks like it changed a bit too..
03:23 PM Connor: My CoC: Don't be a DICK
03:25 PM XXCoder: got link to it? (not your dick)
03:25 PM Connor: https://www.linuxcnc.org/CODE_OF_CONDUCT/
03:25 PM XXCoder: thanks
03:26 PM XXCoder: terms seem very reasonable
03:31 PM XXCoder: reading forum
03:33 PM veegee: I'm going to make peace with the imperial measurement system once and for all
03:33 PM veegee: I will meditate upon this deeply and I will be born a new man when it is done
03:35 PM XXCoder: mailing list has a lot more
03:35 PM veegee: I will treat it as an arbitrary system of units which is designed purely for "convenience" and immediately convert to metric. If my micrometer reads 59.3 thousandths, it means nothing to me, but my calculator can change that
03:36 PM Rab: What a coincidence, that is exactly my strategy toward metric.
03:37 PM Rab: Datasheet speaks in multiples of 2.54mm? No problemo.
03:45 PM XXCoder: Connor: honestly most of counterarguments is "it worked fine before coc"
03:45 PM XXCoder: which isnt a strong argument
03:51 PM XXCoder: other main complant seem to be gender thing
03:51 PM Connor: I think the one that most people objected to other that it worked fine before was "Excessive or unwelcome helping; answering outside the scope of the question asked" which is no longer in it..
03:53 PM XXCoder: third argument is "them management types is taking over!"
03:54 PM XXCoder: i find it interesting that some people just have laser focused on gender
03:56 PM XXCoder: anyway coc seems reasonable enough for me
03:56 PM Connor: uggg.. :(
03:56 PM XXCoder: ?
03:57 PM Connor: The whole getting upset over the CoC.. I'm about to leave the mailing list because it's all that's on it as of late.
03:59 PM XXCoder: man i wish people would edit out quotes
03:59 PM XXCoder: it gets long
03:59 PM Connor: That too
04:01 PM snakedGT is now known as snaked
04:02 PM roycroft: too bad it's not even applied on this channel
04:03 PM XXCoder: did i miss someone breaking coc?
04:03 PM roycroft: no, you just ignore it
04:04 PM XXCoder: ignoring breaking of coc?
04:05 PM Tom_L: they just wanted something to whine about
04:05 PM Rab: Maybe I'm used to the gutters of EFnet, but this has got to be the most genteel IRC channel I've ever seen...maybe because average age seems quite high.
04:05 PM Tom_L: hope it doesn't become a major topic here
04:05 PM XXCoder: doubt it
04:05 PM Connor: Na.. I'm kinda sorry I brought it up now.
04:06 PM roycroft: you're not the first to have done so, connor
04:06 PM roycroft: nor will you be the last
04:08 PM Tom_L: Rab, all the babies are over in reprap building glue guns
04:09 PM Tom_L: last time i was there i got chewed out for logging the channel
04:09 PM Tom_L: one was afraid their boss might read it
04:10 PM XXCoder: that must have been long time ago
04:10 PM XXCoder: because i dont recall you being there
04:10 PM Tom_L: it was and i haven't been back
04:10 PM XXCoder: its changed a lot even during my term
04:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the scammers moved on to blockchain and AI
04:11 PM Tom_L: ahh
04:11 PM XXCoder: and one power company moved on from powering house to coin mining
04:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, virtual currency was the other
04:24 PM roycroft: i don't agree with logging channels, especially without informing people or when done contrary to the wishes of the channel owners
04:24 PM roycroft: that said, i have always assumed that every word i say publicly, as on open channel, is logged and available to anyone to read
04:24 PM XXCoder: honestly theres nothing blocking anyone from doing that
04:25 PM XXCoder: i simply dont talk things i want keep private
04:25 PM XXCoder: which is rare to begin with
04:25 PM roycroft: anyone who is concerned about their boss finding out what they say should probably not be saying what they say
04:25 PM Tom_L: at one point it was mentioned in the topic
04:25 PM XXCoder: "assume your words will go directly to your boss"
04:25 PM Tom_L: roycroft, that's kinda what i thought
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: this channel has no owners, it's more a petty tyrannical democracy
04:26 PM XXCoder: techinically jepier owns
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: vaguely
04:26 PM roycroft: it certainly has no moderators
04:26 PM XXCoder: theres 4 actually
04:26 PM XXCoder: well 5 if you include jepler
04:26 PM Tom_L: the blue dots have no power
04:27 PM XXCoder: you have VOP tom. you can op up when needed
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: jepler took his power away from himself
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like taking off the gemstone glove
04:27 PM XXCoder: yeah founder dont have to have VOP, but can op up anytime
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but he won't do that
04:28 PM XXCoder: only time i had to o[ is set couple things up, and to give founder to jepler
04:29 PM Tom_L: i need what??
04:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I would have not used CoC as the name of something to be taken seriously
04:30 PM jepler: Yes, I'm "founder" of the channel as far as libera is concerned. Yes, y'all are a pretty great community on the whole and "moderation" is rarely needed.
04:31 PM XXCoder: indeed
04:32 PM Tom_L: i've only seen op action maybe once since i've been here and that's been quite a while
04:32 PM Connor: Someone channel spamming..
04:32 PM jepler: I have some regrets about how I handled the introduction of the code of conduct that led to .. feelings .. but I think it's good to establish that there ARE some ground rules even if we seldom notice we're there or have to have enforcement
04:33 PM jepler: seldom notice they (the rules) are there
04:33 PM XXCoder: its nice to have something to point to when something very rarely happens
04:33 PM XXCoder: gonna run for a bit
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: veegee: a tip that helped me is remebering that 25.4 microns equals 0.001" (" = inch), and 51 microns is about 0.002" where most CNC machining tends to have its tolerances
04:44 PM roycroft: yet there is one person here who makes racist, sexist, and nationalistic remarks on a daily basis, and trolls incessantly, yet is not even called out for it other than by myself
04:45 PM roycroft: i'm not saying he should be removed from this channel, but he should at least be told that his behavior is unwanted and unacceptable
04:45 PM roycroft: i don't think others enjoy his comments, but it seems that others would rather just bury their heads in the sand than call out despicable behavior
04:46 PM * roycroft has said what he needed to say, and hopes that maybe this time someone will listen
04:57 PM veegee: CaptHindsight[m] yeah I've memorized that a long time ago
04:57 PM veegee: roycroft point to one comment lol
04:58 PM veegee: 25.4 is burned forever into my head
04:58 PM veegee: but roycroft I only troll you because I love you so much
04:58 PM roycroft: i've asked you several times to not address me any more
04:58 PM roycroft: please respect that, and go fuck yourself
04:58 PM veegee: And I don't care, I will still continue to give you my love
04:58 PM veegee: you can block me anytime
04:59 PM veegee: But deep down inside, I know you love me too <3
05:01 PM veegee: Rab don't you mean if datasheet reads in multiples of 1/2.54mm?
05:02 PM veegee: multiples of 25.4mm are already in inches
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sometimes I use 24.5 vs 25.4 and things don't add up and that is because iIused 24.5
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: * sometimes I use 24.5 vs 25.4 and things don't add up and that is because i used 24.5
05:09 PM * roycroft tosses capthindsight a 127 tooth gear to embed in his brain to help with the translation
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ouch (wasn't looking)
05:10 PM * veegee tosses roycroft the screws to replace back in his brain where that gear used to be so he can stop being so rude
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: good thing my thinking cap was on for protection
05:11 PM * veegee rigs secret santa so CaptHindsight[m] can send his thinking cap to roycroft
05:12 PM roycroft: i was leaving it to you to do the embedding, capthindsight
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah a re-gifter by proxy
05:12 PM roycroft: i would never be so intrusive
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was referring to our rude Canadian asscociate
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they had to have one, I knew it
05:12 PM veegee: lol!
05:13 PM veegee: See roycroft, CaptHindsight[m] can take a joke and retort
05:13 PM veegee: roycroft you can't take life so seriously. It's not good for your health
05:14 PM * CaptHindsight[m] retreats back to sorting navel lint drawer
05:16 PM * Tom_L is feeling the love on irc today
05:19 PM veegee: enleth do you use champagne cups or large diameter pyrex?
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: do they make Pyrex champagne glasses now?
05:23 PM flyback: BMCC
05:23 PM veegee: CaptHindsight[m] they do: https://www.everlastwelders.ca/products/consumables/tig-consumables/wp-9-20-tig-torch-consumables/wp-9-20-pyrex-kits.php/wp9-20-champagne-pyrex.php
05:23 PM * flyback bites Tom_L
05:23 PM * flyback tips veegee over
05:23 PM veegee: The price of these kits is excellent https://www.everlastwelders.ca/products/consumables/tig-consumables/wp-9-20-tig-torch-consumables/wp-9-20-pyrex-kits/wp9-20-large-pyrex-kit-47mm.php
05:23 PM flyback: M00000
05:24 PM veegee: No one else is selling good quality pyrex consumables at these prices
05:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I try not to drink while welding
05:24 PM veegee: Also, they use metric everywhere. I love them
05:24 PM veegee: 1.6mm, 2.4mm, 3.2mm tungsten diameter makes so much sense
05:25 PM veegee: Vastly reduces mental load for someone like me who has only remedial math skills
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 0.6mm or 2/3mm?
05:25 PM veegee: 1.6 exactly
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or 3/5 mm
05:25 PM veegee: no silly fractions
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah 1 3/5mm sure
05:26 PM veegee: only you can ruin metric >:(
05:26 PM Tom_L: haha
05:26 PM veegee: Now I cannot unsee it
05:28 PM Tom_L: 7/22
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: metricans don't believe in fractions so pi is 3.14
05:30 PM roycroft: the state of indiana once legally defined 3 as the value of pi
05:31 PM Tom_L: they ended up with a helix instead of a circle
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: close enough
05:31 PM veegee: Wow. That explains a lot
05:32 PM roycroft: er. 3.2, not 3
05:32 PM roycroft: which is even worse
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm surprised that Purdue U stayed in Indiana
05:33 PM roycroft: austin is not only still in texas, it's the state capital
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was there a fine for using 3.14?
05:33 PM veegee: Yes, it was 57/128 of a dollar
05:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://abcnews.go.com/US/happy-pi-day-indiana-define-pi-32-bill/story?id=61644614
05:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.math.purdue.edu/people/bio/egoins/Indiana%20Pi%20Bill.html
06:12 PM * JT-Cave is confused... HD 2x4x8 #2 pine $7.50... 2x4x8 PT $4.50
06:14 PM XXCoder: 3.2 dont even round correctly
06:15 PM XXCoder: 3.14 is accurate enough for person calculation, because 3.1415... rounded to 3.14 drops only small error
06:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but that is where the Devil lies, in the details
06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARA7DRhxhcw how I broke my tools or feature?
06:23 PM XXCoder: using wheel as "play control" is weird
06:23 PM XXCoder: thats cool though
06:23 PM XXCoder: does it max out at 100% feed?
06:30 PM Tom_L: from the looks of it, the programmed feedrate
06:30 PM XXCoder: yeah thats what I meant :) (100% of feed rate set in gcode_
06:31 PM Tom_L: like my mill in manual, if i turn the mpg it will only go so fast but it will go as far as i turned the crank even if i stop
06:31 PM XXCoder: never liked that
06:31 PM XXCoder: like haas does
06:31 PM Tom_L: (i set it up like that)
06:32 PM Tom_L: on purpose
06:32 PM XXCoder: postive is you will know one rotation is certain distance
06:32 PM XXCoder: negative is you could crash
06:32 PM Tom_L: you're not one of those mpg spinners are ya?
06:32 PM Tom_L: :)
06:32 PM XXCoder: nah not even on machines that stop as soon as you stop
06:33 PM Tom_L: if i'm using it manually and wanna change a tool, while i'm grabbing the tool i might give it a good spin in Z+ so by the time i turn around it's retracted far enough for the next tool
06:34 PM Tom_L: it will soft limit anyway
06:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have only crashed machines while using the MPG
06:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tired and impatient was the main cause
06:34 PM Tom_L: what a treat
06:35 PM Tom_L: i don't think i ever have manually
06:35 PM Tom_L: wish i could say that otherwise
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 4" facemill into steel, too fast a Z down
06:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: my favorite 1/4" end mill , too fast an XY
06:36 PM Tom_L: yeah i did break a favorite em
06:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the facemill tripped the breakers
06:36 PM Tom_L: i wondered about that, or stalling the spindle
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: boy did it stall, and broke 3-4 carbide inserts
06:37 PM Tom_L: i did get one spindle fault but i can't remember what i was doing
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: think it had 12 or 16
06:37 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +q by ChanServ
06:38 PM Tom_L: wtf is quiet?
06:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I want to have a racing wheel control a mill
06:40 PM Tom_L: oh, unregistered users
06:40 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], get a nascar wheel with the footpedal, shifter n all
06:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: have a few old ones
06:41 PM Tom_L: better, what was that one where they flung the control around wildly?
06:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: have to use two buttons for Z up/down
06:41 PM Tom_L: wii?
06:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: might have some flight sticks
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, in tennis racket mode or hockey stick
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what would be the most counterintuitive? pool cue mode?
06:43 PM Tom_L: use that for probing routines
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: fishing reel, there was a documentary on a guy at MIT that used to make silly machines like that, he scaled the force on a fishing reel to let you fight with amoebas
07:38 PM roycroft: so the winds will shift to northeasterly this evening
07:39 PM roycroft: the result being that i'll be waking up to smoke in the air
07:39 PM roycroft: and it's not even remotely close to august yet
07:39 PM Tom_L: but no fire yet?
07:39 PM Tom_L: walking up to that is...
07:39 PM roycroft: the new fire is to the northeast
07:39 PM roycroft: oh, that's quite unlikely
07:39 PM roycroft: i shouldn't actually say that
07:39 PM roycroft: historically, that's been quite unlikely
07:40 PM roycroft: but history is no precedent anymore when it comes to climate conditions and current weather
07:40 PM roycroft: last year i had to stay indoors for almost an entire month due to the smoke, other than quick dashes to the market for food
07:40 PM roycroft: and i still had trouble breathing that whole time
07:41 PM roycroft: i'm also still finding hidden areas of my house where there is still ash
07:41 PM roycroft: i spent a lot of time cleaning last fall after the smoke went away, but there's still a lot of ash in my house
07:45 PM roycroft: i don't know if i'm just getting old, or if serious sharpening really is physically taxing, but i'm taking a break now because i'm pooped from my sharpening efforts so far
07:46 PM roycroft: i just got a new 5/16" bench chisel, a size i've often needed but was never part of the set i've had for years, and when i started flattening the back of it i decided to pull out the 2" sorby chisel i bought 20ish years ago and never sharpened
07:46 PM roycroft: why premium chisels are not even remotely flat when they arrive i do not know
07:47 PM roycroft: but 45 minutes later, i finally have the back of that one flattened, on a 120 micron diamond stone, so now it's flat but has huge scratches
08:58 PM veegee: Really?
08:59 PM veegee: ...why?
09:04 PM flyback: U STUPID CANUCK
09:04 PM * Tom_L smacks flyback with a squid
09:42 PM XXCoder: roycroft: maybe only thing premium is price
09:52 PM roycroft: xxcoder: it's true that the ian sorby chisels were of higher quality, but robert sorby (the son) still makes some of the finest chisels that come out of sheffield
09:52 PM roycroft: once profiled and sharpened, they are excellent chisels
10:00 PM veegee: damn, my D1-4 collet chuck has about 20µm TIR
10:01 PM veegee: Spec indicates 0.0006 inches which is really bad now that I think about it
10:13 PM XXCoder: cool :)
10:13 PM XXCoder: maybe they prefer you strighten it up to your opreference?
10:15 PM CloudEvil: I have yet to do any meaningful measurements on my $20 5C collet chuck.
10:15 PM CloudEvil: (amazon misprice)
10:22 PM XXCoder: nice
10:51 PM veegee: XXCoder how would I do that?
10:51 PM veegee: it doesn't have a separate backplate