#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 18 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:06 AM Deejay: moin
02:52 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 🇲🇽
04:10 AM Tom_L: morning
04:19 AM tiwake[m]: merf
04:44 AM tiwake[m]: time to go to work
05:28 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:29 AM XXCoder: heys
05:33 AM TurBoss: Hola
06:25 AM Loetmichel: *booooarppssss* Its friday, company-wide "we order from the local restaurant" day... "rahmschnitzel mit Bacon-Bratkartoffeln" **tasty!**
06:48 AM JT-Cave: sounds good to me
06:49 AM XXCoder: so, when will i get mine>?
07:07 AM JT-Cave: https://ibb.co/SrZFZbS
07:07 AM JT-Cave: yippie the servo drive is out for delivery
08:07 AM CloudEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXDLes4b23U I do like industrial site flyovers. (SpaceX, I counted 920 cars)
08:11 AM perry_j1987: morning
08:11 AM CloudEvil: mroning
08:15 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, generator is lookin good
08:22 AM Tom_L: sunny 100F
08:26 AM Vq: Sunny and 24°C, not too bad yet.
08:27 AM roycroft: it's only 12 degrees here, but it's also only 6:13 am
08:27 AM roycroft: we'll get up to 30 day, and 37 by monday
08:54 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L, thanks
08:54 AM perry_j1987: mmm coffeee
09:05 AM * roycroft is enjoying a nice cappuccino while checking email
09:10 AM perry_j1987: i want to get this new bit setter setup today
09:12 AM roycroft: i need to really get going on my current project - a cabinet i'm building for my spindle sander and disc sander - so i can make some time to work on my mill/drill next week
09:13 AM roycroft: i've been making steady but unrushed progress on the cabinet, knowing i'm on vacation next week, and would have plenty of time to finish it up
09:14 AM roycroft: but dealing with the mill/drill is going to take a couple days at least, and i'll have to make a fairly substantial workspace for it
09:19 AM roycroft: so no sleeping in and taking it easy while i'm on vacation
09:19 AM * Tom_L cracks the whip on roycroft
09:50 AM perry_j1987: ok what all do i need to implement to get this tool length probe working
09:50 AM perry_j1987: my google fu is not working well this morning
09:56 AM Roguish: there are numerous posts in the forum on length probing. do your search there.
09:57 AM Roguish: there's 2 ro 3 different process methods. first is figure which one you want to use.
09:58 AM perry_j1987: ya i've come across forum posts but no docs show up in google heh
09:59 AM perry_j1987: i got one of these https://amzn.to/3gH1vAw
09:59 AM perry_j1987: what 3 processes do you mean
10:00 AM Tom_L: here are some probe routines, not for touch off but you can see the process: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cradek/
10:01 AM Tom_L: i would suggest using a switch and your finger until you get the IO working to avoid smashing your brand new probe
10:02 AM roguish[m]: perry_j1987: depends upon which gui you're using. some have probing routines built in. some do not.
10:02 AM perry_j1987: ya that is a good tip Tom_L haha
10:02 AM roguish[m]: ditto on what Tom_l just said. I smashed a $80 stylus.............doh.
10:03 AM Tom_L: make sure it trips the same way the probe does
10:05 AM perry_j1987: btw hows that rpi4 still working for you Tom_L
10:05 AM Tom_L: it's on the shelf
10:06 AM Tom_L: i use it for testing
10:07 AM roguish[m]: Tom_L: do you use a reactor with your vfd? in front of the vfd
10:08 AM perry_j1987: Tom_L looked at those beaglebone enhanced boards?
10:20 AM Tom_L: nope
10:20 AM Tom_L: on both counts
10:20 AM roguish[m]: ok
10:20 AM Tom_L: roguish[m], i've got a contactor in front of the vfd that is tied to the estop
10:20 AM Tom_L: err... no, it's tied to the main control switch
10:21 AM Tom_L: the vfd enable is tied to estop
11:21 AM Guest795 is now known as TiranD
11:21 AM TiranD: Hi folks - any LinuxCNC users online right now?
11:23 AM perry_j1987: all Mach3 users in here until 2pm when we do the shift change
11:35 AM roycroft: there are also a few manual operators here as well
11:35 AM roycroft: just to keep you cnc folks from getting too hoity-toity
11:35 AM Tom_L: TiranD, is that the real question?
11:37 AM perry_j1987: lol
11:37 AM * Tom_L puts perry_j1987 on global notice for mentionint the "M" word.
11:38 AM Tom_L: i gotta get a new kbd
11:41 AM perry_j1987: lol
12:34 PM perry_j1987: got someone to hopefully buy my truck
12:34 PM perry_j1987: then comes the long struggle... to buy a mill or not.. heh
12:41 PM * JT-Shop does his weekly search for a ridgeline
12:41 PM roycroft: i've been ponding getting a new/different mill, but i've also been thinking about getting a slightly smaller lathe, to regain some shop real estate
12:51 PM * JT-Shop needs to build a cabinet under the wing of the table saw but plywood is too expensive so maybe oak
12:57 PM * hazzy[m] uploaded an image: (287KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bypjemucoQGszagEDlNlKAyI/ima_1ddb6ad.jpeg >
12:57 PM * hazzy[m] would bring JT wood if he was closer
12:59 PM JT-Shop: hey hazzy[m]
01:00 PM JT-Shop: skids?
01:01 PM * hazzy[m] uploaded an image: (354KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DUgjPVFifFlNptCyjytEzHzy/ima_9ecb68b.jpeg >
01:01 PM hazzy[m]: Yes, can't get rid of them fast enough
01:08 PM * JT-Shop is afraid to plug this drive in... it's covered with some kind of dust
01:16 PM Tom_L: got the new used one?
01:23 PM roycroft: blow it off
01:57 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi1MUIkBV7c
02:19 PM Tom_L: :)
02:42 PM Joe_Hildreth: I know this is an old question. If you have a gantry machine with two joings on one axis, do you use trivkins and gantry both?
02:53 PM JT-Shop: no, it's a normal setup now
02:53 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, yeah got the drive but it's got some crap on it that won't blow off...
02:53 PM Joe_Hildreth: What sample config do I need to look at that includes homing?
02:58 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/config/ini-config.html#_joint__lt_num_gt_section
02:59 PM JT-Shop: read the short home sequence paragraph
02:59 PM Joe_Hildreth: Thank you John!
02:59 PM JT-Shop: all you need for an axis with multiple joints is a -
03:04 PM JT-Shop: knocking off a lot of what ever that crap is on the board and at least I can do the setup now... going to spend a bit of time with a small artist brush cleaning all that crap off
03:04 PM tiwake[m]: oh
03:05 PM tiwake[m]: a while back I made a fun broaching macro for fanuc controls
03:05 PM tiwake[m]: for broaching splines or keyways on a C-axis
03:23 PM perry_j1987: im thinking of switching from axis to GMOCCAPY
03:25 PM * JT-Shop doesn't like to "use" either of them...
03:26 PM * tiwake[m] pukes all over @JT-Shop:libera.chat
03:26 PM perry_j1987: aye
03:27 PM perry_j1987: want to get this tool height probe setup first though
03:41 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, the bp sounds perfect finally!
03:59 PM Tom_L: i bet you're a happy camper!
04:00 PM Tom_L: damn it's hot out there
04:00 PM Tom_L: been out sizing blocks
04:03 PM Tom_L: finally got the model to cooperate
04:03 PM Tom_L: it was a workplane thing
04:05 PM JT-Shop: aye pretty relieved everything works, I was in a tizzy when I saw the board!
04:07 PM JT-Shop: and happy that bitch in AU go her package... but no way to add to the claim except a jpg so I took a photo of the delivered page
04:08 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A12_New/A12_Position1.jpg
04:09 PM Tom_L: hope that works out
04:09 PM Tom_L: will save 2 positions
04:09 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i'd keep after it even though it likely won't do any good
04:12 PM Joe_Hildreth: JT-Shop: Okay, I think I get it. joints would be set up as xyyz in trivkins, then both y axis joints [joint_1] and [joint _2] would be given a negative home sequence number to coordinate moving them to the final home position.
04:12 PM Joe_Hildreth: is that correct?
04:13 PM Tom_L: from my brief reading of gandry that sounds right but you better get an expert opinion
04:15 PM Joe_Hildreth: Tom_L: how does trivkins and gantry fir together?
04:15 PM Joe_Hildreth: fir = fit
04:15 PM Tom_L: i've never set up a gantry
04:15 PM JT-Shop: Joe_Hildreth, only one "needs" a negative home sequence but for clarity I use negative on both joints
04:16 PM Tom_L: the negative 'pairs' them iirc
04:18 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, all that crud you cleaned off was keepin that thing together
04:19 PM JT-Shop: looked like tiny glitter
04:19 PM Tom_L: was it epoxy coated?
04:19 PM JT-Shop: no
04:20 PM Tom_L: some get coated in harsh conditions
04:20 PM Tom_L: i've got a psu that has a coated board
04:20 PM Tom_L: for an RV charge system
04:23 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, a lot of the marine stuff I deal with has those coatings
04:23 PM _unreal_: I forget the name
04:23 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, the Anilam 1100M was from the early 90's
04:24 PM Tom_L: i figured it was from back there somewhere
04:25 PM Tom_L: steve's trees were probably built around then
04:25 PM Tom_L: doesn't seem that long but he got em new
04:27 PM perry_j1987: why is it so tough to add a tool height setter to linuxcnc ugh
04:27 PM Tom_L: only because you never have
04:28 PM perry_j1987: i still havnt found a single guide
04:28 PM Tom_L: you should write one as you go then and put it on the wiki
04:28 PM JT-Shop: it's not hard...
04:28 PM perry_j1987: you say its not hard but there is apparently zero write ups out there lol
04:28 PM perry_j1987: that makes it a pretty tough starting point lol
04:28 PM JT-Shop: only one pin needs to be connected
04:29 PM perry_j1987: i keep reading that m6 has to be re-written and stuff
04:29 PM JT-Shop: step one wire up the setter thingy and test the input is going to touch off
04:29 PM JT-Shop: to auto set a tool after changing is just G code
04:31 PM JT-Shop: if you have repeatable tool holders you only touch off before running
04:31 PM JT-Shop: much simpler...
04:32 PM perry_j1987: aye i just have er20 collet on this 6040
04:33 PM JT-Shop: so after your tool change run a subroutine to touch off
04:33 PM JT-Shop: but first you need to connect it...
04:34 PM perry_j1987: why is this not optioned in the config tool
04:35 PM JT-Shop: at some point you have to dive in the deep end...
04:35 PM JT-Shop: which config tool?
04:35 PM perry_j1987: any of them
04:36 PM perry_j1987: touch plates and bit setters are not wild and crazy devices only a couple people have etc
04:37 PM Tom_L: i don't
04:37 PM Tom_L: :D
04:37 PM roycroft: i'm still debating whether to do a touch plate or get tormach tool holders and do a once and for good setup for each tool
04:37 PM roycroft: fortunately i have plenty of time to get that sorted :)
04:38 PM perry_j1987: aye i'd love a diff machine with tool holders lol
04:38 PM roycroft: more than likely, on day one when i can run gcode on my mill/drill, i'll be manually touching off with each tool change
04:39 PM JT-Shop: manual touch off is so fast for me
04:40 PM roycroft: and i may find that to be the case for me as well
04:40 PM roycroft: which is why i'm likely to be starting out doing manual touching off
04:40 PM JT-Shop: a dowel on top of the material is super fast and very repeatable
04:41 PM Tom_L: agreed
04:41 PM Tom_L: although i use a gage block
04:41 PM perry_j1987: i'd like to be able to touch off on the spindle nose and then each tool change it goes over and tests each tool and applys its offset and goes to work cutting
04:44 PM roycroft: and the thing with the tormach toolholders is that you only have to measure the offset once, then you program it into your tool table, and never have to deal with it again until you sharpen or replace the tool
04:44 PM Tom_L: in theory
04:44 PM Tom_L: i check them each time i run a different part
04:45 PM roycroft: it's supposed to be very repeatable
04:45 PM Tom_L: it is
04:45 PM roycroft: they even have a little surface plate with a tool holder and height gauge that you can get to measure them off the machine
04:46 PM Tom_L: yeah tool setters are common
04:46 PM roycroft: the major drawback of that system, from what i've seen, is that it gets really expensive if you have to buy tool holder for every drill/tap/reamer/end mill you use
04:46 PM Tom_L: you will spend as much or more on tooling as you do the cnc
04:46 PM roycroft: and if you don't buy a tool holder for each tool, then you lose the advantage of having everything pre-indexed
04:47 PM perry_j1987: roycroft its called second mortgage :)
05:00 PM JT-Shop: perry_j1987, all you need is a subroutine to set the z of the tool with your touch thing
05:01 PM perry_j1987: what is this im reading about having to redo the m6
05:01 PM perry_j1987: something bout it not allowing the machine to move to where you have a bitsetter mounted
05:02 PM JT-Shop: that just adds more complications to the puzzle
05:03 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mill_touch_v6/blob/master/config/subroutines/qtpy-top.ngc
05:04 PM JT-Shop: that's a z probe routine, you just have to do a G53Z0 then move to XY where your thing is and probe
05:05 PM JT-Shop: then you add to that a G10 to set the tool table
05:05 PM JT-Shop: but the problem is that will only set the tool to a fixture and NOT to the material
05:10 PM perry_j1987: i assume i'd set the initial z of the material and it'd be compensating with offsets for all the tools?
05:11 PM roycroft: i have to break down a sheet of 12mm baltic birch plywood out on my driveway, because there's not room to do it in the shop
05:11 PM roycroft: i should probably do that before the temperature gets up in the upper 30s
05:11 PM JT-Shop: every tool needs to be touched off to fixture then one needs to be touched off to material
05:11 PM roycroft: when it's that hot my track saw and track will be to hot to touch within a matter of minutes
05:12 PM JT-Shop: never assume your g code is correct, test in air!
05:12 PM roycroft: and of course
05:12 PM roycroft: my boss just assigned me three tickets, one minute before my vacation starts
05:12 PM roycroft: i have just enough time to respond to them saying i'll deal with them in a week
05:12 PM tiwake[m]: roycroft, JT-Shop: hey, been a while
05:12 PM roycroft: hello, tiwake
05:13 PM tiwake[m]: I kinda stopped IRC'ing
05:13 PM tiwake[m]: switched to matrix a while ago
05:13 PM roycroft: i still don't have either pill
05:13 PM roycroft: so i'm not on the matrix yet
05:14 PM tiwake[m]: just do it
05:14 PM roycroft: and now i'm on vacation
05:14 PM roycroft: and the first thing i have to do is go back to home depot
05:14 PM roycroft: because i just spent $100+ on some clamps that i thought i had and that i need but that i could not find
05:14 PM roycroft: i drove home, opened up the shop, and literally tripped over them
05:14 PM roycroft: why they were on the floor in front of the door i do not know
05:15 PM tiwake[m]: now you have extra
05:15 PM roycroft: so those clamps go back
05:15 PM roycroft: contrary to the popular myth, it *is* possible for a woodworker to have enough clamps
05:15 PM JT-Shop: hey tiwake[m]
05:16 PM roycroft: i mean, i could use more, but i don't have the space for them and don't want to tie up good money in them
05:16 PM JT-Shop: perry_j1987, watch this video on what happens when you don't fully understand tool touch off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4-lUNa0CpY
05:18 PM perry_j1987: ouch
05:18 PM Tom_L: that looked like a _real_ o shit moment
05:19 PM tiwake[m]: a coworker spun his $500 touching off tool up to about 4,000 RPM
05:19 PM tiwake[m]: before he could stop it
05:20 PM tiwake[m]: I was standing right there... broke the end of it
05:20 PM tiwake[m]: good thing the end didn't hit me
05:21 PM Tom_L: local shop spun a fly cutter up to ~15k somehow
05:21 PM Tom_L: ripped the kurt off like it wasn't there, went thru a couple walls destroying things along the way
05:22 PM tiwake[m]: spun it that high while in the middle of a cut?
05:23 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:23 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Lzw0VBu-I
05:23 PM Tom_L: i think that's it
05:25 PM tiwake[m]: that was a while ago
05:26 PM Tom_L: last year
05:26 PM tiwake[m]: somebody linked the facebook video when it happened
05:26 PM tiwake[m]: I was still IRC back then :P
05:27 PM Tom_L: luckily nobody was in the way
05:31 PM captain_morgan: ooof, that is a terrifying amount of energy
05:32 PM Tom_L: definitely wake you up in the morning
05:32 PM XXCoder: i remember that video. yeah its nuts
05:33 PM Tom_L: couple accidents locally recently
05:33 PM XXCoder: tiwake i once spun my indictor on C holder at 5k rpm lol just glad it held on!
05:33 PM Tom_L: one was doing maintenance or something and the spindle fell on him
05:33 PM XXCoder: i had to unjam c holder because it was very overtightened after that
05:34 PM XXCoder: tom what happened with spindle?
05:34 PM Tom_L: it wasn't blocked up and crushed him
05:34 PM Tom_L: i never found out all the details on that one
05:34 PM XXCoder: sad :(
05:40 PM * JT-Shop thinks it's time to delete his putube account
05:45 PM XXCoder: why?
05:46 PM JT-Shop: ads
05:46 PM XXCoder: ah yes heard its getting bad
05:46 PM XXCoder: i block all of em
05:47 PM JT-Shop: you can't block the ones they inject into the video can you?
05:47 PM tiwake[m]: adblockers are magic
05:48 PM JT-Shop: fresh debian 10 install... forgot to setup ad block
05:48 PM XXCoder: I use enhancer for youtube
05:49 PM JT-Shop: interesting
05:52 PM captain_morgan: yeah, adblock for a better youtube
05:52 PM captain_morgan: pfft, adblock for a better life!
05:53 PM XXCoder: adblock for curing all what ails you
05:53 PM CloudEvil: I just did youtube premium.
05:54 PM tiwake[m]: disgusting
05:54 PM captain_morgan: my partner and I have an agreement, they get to watch basketball in the same room as me if they mute the commercials. I installed an adblocker on a humon!
05:55 PM captain_morgan: after a couple years it's become instinct
06:11 PM * JT-Shop FF through commercials because everything is recorded
06:13 PM roycroft: i seem to be getting more ads than ever
06:13 PM roycroft: and i'm getting a lot of gun ads again
06:13 PM roycroft: and recently i've been getting a lot of meat ads
06:13 PM roycroft: and political ads that i can't skip
06:14 PM XXCoder: google probably thinks youre a redneck
06:14 PM roycroft: so my youtube viewing is rather limited at the moment
06:14 PM roycroft: i need to spend some time trying to get an ad blocker to work again
06:14 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
06:14 PM XXCoder: do chrome also have ehancer for youtube?
06:15 PM roycroft: it was working fine until a month or two ago, but since then it's like they're catching me up on all the ads i've "missed"
06:15 PM Roguish: ooo baby. sittting at 105 now. made it to 107 yesterday.
06:18 PM andypugh: Well, my unpickable lock works with the key, and I can’t pick it. Which seems like a success.
06:18 PM XXCoder: time to ship it to lockpicking lawyer? heh
06:19 PM andypugh: I can sometimes pick it when it only has one pin populated. But with two it’s annoying and difficult. I think that with all 6 it would be genuinely impossible.
06:23 PM captain_morgan: and the side....err backside attack?
06:26 PM andypugh: Well, I have got round that by making the lock basically useless.
06:26 PM XXCoder: what about hammer to door security? ;)
06:27 PM andypugh: Well, quite. Lock picking is mainly a philosphical endeavour.
06:27 PM andypugh: Back side: https://photos.app.goo.gl/L85NdSc4VhTZ24YY9
06:28 PM andypugh: Front side: https://photos.app.goo.gl/rwecMGG5u4wmWJzR6
06:29 PM tiwake[m]: andypugh: making your own lock?
06:29 PM andypugh: Yes. I had an idea for a lock that would be very difficlut to pick.
06:29 PM tiwake[m]: why pick when you can just HulkSmash?
06:39 PM XXCoder: andy tested with blank key, or whats that thing called, knock key or something?
06:39 PM andypugh: Well, yes. I know that there is no practical application for an unpickable lock.
06:39 PM andypugh: Bump key?
06:40 PM XXCoder: unpickable is bit risky if you lose key, it cant open
06:40 PM andypugh: I think that it would be very resistant to bumping.
06:40 PM XXCoder: so id use it only for very high security, with very strong door
06:40 PM XXCoder: ah yes bumping
06:41 PM CloudEvil: See the bowley lock
06:41 PM CloudEvil: For basically unpickable.
06:41 PM CloudEvil: As one example.
06:42 PM CloudEvil: The basic idea of many actully unpickable locks is to sample the key bitting at a time when the user physically cannot reach the sampled surface.
06:42 PM CloudEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV8QKZNFxLw
06:43 PM CloudEvil: Bowley lock by LPL
06:43 PM JT-Cave: https://www.bowleylockcompany.com/lock-picking-discussion.html
06:44 PM CloudEvil: Add to that a mechanism requiring moderate strength in the key so you can't activte it by tiny wires in the key
06:44 PM XXCoder: interesting!
06:44 PM XXCoder: si it enages on other side from insert
06:45 PM XXCoder: and theres cylinder with slot, so you cant access pins in any way besides from key
06:48 PM XXCoder: lol this one is a joke https://youtu.be/O5Ge05TOyA8?list=RDCMUCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ
06:53 PM captain_morgan: that bowley is a neat design
06:53 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:03 PM captain_morgan: hmm, I feel like $150 isn't that bad (4 keys). I do need to rekey my house....
07:04 PM captain_morgan: but then... i rarely lock my doors soooo
08:14 PM _unreal_: printing my hose adapter to go to the high power micro blower I got in the mail
08:30 PM roycroft: great
08:31 PM roycroft: now we have high winds in the forecast, in addition to the possible record high temperatures
08:31 PM roycroft: oregon is already a tinderbox
08:33 PM roycroft: all it takes is one jackass tossing a cigarette butt out a car window and we have a major fire that may take months to control
08:33 PM XXCoder: yeah we have 5 seasons here too
08:34 PM XXCoder: cold rain, colder rain, rainy and clear season, hot clear, and smokey hellscope
08:35 PM roycroft: we used to have two seasons: the rainy season and the tear up the roads season
08:35 PM XXCoder: yeah
08:35 PM XXCoder: i remember bicycling in summer rains often
08:35 PM XXCoder: like once a week or so. because it rained that often in summer
08:35 PM roycroft: the rainy season has gotten much much shorter
08:55 PM roycroft: now the projected date for 70% vaccination rate has been pushed back to 28 june
08:56 PM roycroft: i guess we'll be masking for a bit longer
08:57 PM XXCoder: sigh. yeah
08:57 PM XXCoder: some people is starting to not mask now
08:57 PM roycroft: a lot of people are not masking around here
08:57 PM XXCoder: not a lot here, but postal office seem to be exception
08:57 PM XXCoder: saw 6 people unmasked there
08:57 PM roycroft: really?
08:57 PM XXCoder: yeah
08:58 PM roycroft: that's odd, because that's a federal facility
08:58 PM XXCoder: and worker wore utterly stupid mask thing
08:58 PM XXCoder: its like spit sheild something
08:58 PM XXCoder: does shit to covid blocking.
08:58 PM roycroft: even when governor inslee revokes the masking mandate, it won't apply at the post office
09:04 PM XXCoder: yeah, but i guess they dont care or something
09:04 PM XXCoder: expecially worker lol
09:05 PM XXCoder: that damned weird mask
09:05 PM XXCoder: its almost like face sheild, but smaller and covers just mouth and some of nose
09:05 PM XXCoder: attached to chin
09:05 PM roycroft: some of that is just ignorance
09:05 PM XXCoder: indeed
09:05 PM roycroft: much of it selfishness
09:05 PM sparafucile: /clear
09:06 PM roycroft: but too much of it is willful defiance
09:11 PM _unreal_: <roycroft> if it goes up in flames everyone will be an oregon-er
10:12 PM tiwake[m]: if I'm making a machine to cut wire ranging from about 0.1" to 0.2", should I just use a microcontroller? or should I do something fancier
10:13 PM XXCoder: cut as in just cut cross section?
10:13 PM XXCoder: honestly you can literally make it using switches lol
10:13 PM XXCoder: no brains
10:14 PM Tom_L: 200' lengths?
10:14 PM Tom_L: need a roller on an encoder to count the length
10:18 PM tiwake[m]: Tom_L: not necessarily
10:18 PM tiwake[m]: but yeah, could include an incoder
10:19 PM flyback: you guys made a good decision
10:19 PM flyback: lee is bragging about going to purge more channels
10:19 PM flyback: on a live interview
10:19 PM XXCoder: geez
10:20 PM roycroft: let's just not talk about that stuff, mmmkay?
10:21 PM tiwake[m]: matrix is the more better solution
10:21 PM roycroft: for you, mayhap
10:21 PM roycroft: that doesn't mean it is for everyone
10:21 PM tiwake[m]: you can make your own server and link any channel to any number of other servers
10:21 PM XXCoder: i dont want THIRD chat client
10:21 PM roycroft: i'm going to check it out when i have the time
10:23 PM tiwake[m]: and clearly there are bridges to link IRC and matrix :P
10:24 PM XXCoder: indeed
10:24 PM roycroft: my preference is that folks do what works for them, and not try to coerce others into doing things they may not want or care to do
10:25 PM XXCoder: sure.
10:25 PM XXCoder: thing is they are trying to block OFFICAL moves.
10:26 PM XXCoder: its like youre trying to move out of house, and they say "no you can't do that, that is still your house"
10:27 PM tiwake[m]: more like apartment... having your own house is more like if you ran your own server
10:27 PM XXCoder: true
10:28 PM XXCoder: and apartment renter is not in debt or anything
10:28 PM roycroft: i've operated a server on two different irc networks
10:28 PM roycroft: i have zero interest in ever doing so again
10:28 PM tiwake[m]: heh
10:37 PM Tom_L: roycroft, did you have a bbs back in the day too?
10:37 PM roycroft: no
10:37 PM roycroft: i was never really into bbses
10:37 PM roycroft: i did run a usenet server from my home in the '80s though
10:38 PM Tom_L: well amongst interruptions, i think i have this thing programmed
10:38 PM Tom_L: one for the jaws and one for the part
10:38 PM tiwake[m]: thinking about running a gemini server
10:39 PM tiwake[m]: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/faq.gmi
10:39 PM tiwake[m]: for the luls