#linuxcnc Logs
May 19 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:22 AM drdoc: OK
12:29 AM drdoc: SheetCAM installs and runs in Buster
12:29 AM drdoc: I need to dig out a DXF and see if the linux one has the 180-line post limit
12:29 AM XXCoder: nice
12:35 AM Bleepshop: drdoc: It installed and ran here. I got stuck on STL to DXF, got bored and decided to monkey with it tomorrow when my eyeballs aren't on fire.
01:16 AM Deejay: moin
02:07 AM net|: whats the best chain paint ?
02:09 AM net|: somekinda rock gaurd maybe
02:11 AM net|: or anodized titanium chain maybe lasts longest
02:12 AM net|: https://climbingboltsupplies.com/products/titanium-chain never discolors ?
02:26 AM CaptHindsight: net|: best for what?
02:26 AM XXCoder: becoming bankrupt
02:27 AM XXCoder: oh not usd
02:27 AM CaptHindsight: slave driving, keeping a horse chained to a honey badger, ...
02:28 AM XXCoder: 132 usd chain
02:28 AM XXCoder: per meter
02:29 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.ifscoatings.com/content/news/blog/pvdf-and-feve-resin-based-powder-coatings-whats-the-difference/
02:29 AM XXCoder: yeah good way to bankrupt LOL
02:30 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l07JI2UFdE
03:40 AM veegee: https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1566491243
03:41 AM veegee: So tempting
04:05 AM mrec_: is there a way to exclude some commands from the opengl simulation?
04:05 AM mrec_: eg. G38.2 Z-80 ... it should go down until it touches a sensor
04:05 AM mrec_: however it will never really go down for -80 in my case
04:11 AM XXCoder: guys warning resigns is coming it seems
04:11 AM XXCoder: https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt
04:11 AM XXCoder: we may need to move to another server evenually (likely we will keep nicks, etc)
04:12 AM XXCoder: JT-Shop: andypugh cradek seb_kuzminsky
04:44 AM Tom_L: morning
04:45 AM XXCoder: hey Tom_L read above
04:45 AM Tom_L: yeah, find a better network
04:45 AM XXCoder: that text has new domain
04:45 AM Tom_L: i came from chatjunkies years back
05:27 AM jthornton: morning
05:35 AM XXCoder: yo
07:28 AM XXCoder: JT-Cave: libras is now open
07:28 AM XXCoder: you use same user and password as here
07:28 AM XXCoder: im there, and op now but owner can take it back
07:29 AM JT-Cave: hmm don't see it in hexchat
07:30 AM XXCoder: you have to add network
07:30 AM XXCoder: irc.libera.chat
07:32 AM JT-Cave: where did you go?
07:33 AM XXCoder: sorry had to close hexchat for a min to save setting changes
07:43 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, any luck with your part?
07:54 AM Tom_L: XXCoder, JT-Cave, et al, https://kline.sh/
07:54 AM XXCoder: wow
08:24 AM unterhaus_: adding a new network to hexchat isn't exactly a pleasing user experience
08:25 AM Tom_L: it's not that difficult
08:25 AM XXCoder: its annoying for me
08:25 AM XXCoder: i have to change settings etc
08:25 AM XXCoder: then close chat
08:25 AM Tom_L: if you can figure out how to build a linuxcnc mill surely you can do that
08:25 AM XXCoder: open hexchat again
08:27 AM unterhaus_: it doesn't act the way I would expect and the network is always named "new network"
08:27 AM JT-Cave: gotta press enter
08:28 AM unterhaus_: that added 3 "new network"
08:28 AM XXCoder: unterhaus_: yeah you have to hit enter when its not selected
08:28 AM XXCoder: its real annoying
08:28 AM unterhaus_: you add it and then edit?
08:29 AM Tom_L: uh huh
08:29 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, did you grab those files yet?
08:29 AM XXCoder: yeah
08:29 AM XXCoder: then click name, type into it. make sure its not selected, then hit enter
08:30 AM XXCoder: once done, close then close hexchat so it saves settings if youre on linux
08:31 AM Tom_L: hardest part was remembering my password
08:32 AM unterhaus_: is authentication the same?
08:33 AM Tom_L: everything else is the same yes
08:36 AM Tom_L: ok hopefully this fixture and part are programmed
08:36 AM Tom_L: i'm out the door
09:41 AM Thorhian: Hey people, it sounds like it might be a good idea to change where this IRC channel is hosted. There is an attempted hostile takeover of the freenode servers happening ATM by a person named Andrew Lee.
09:42 AM XXCoder: yep already setup at server
09:42 AM Thorhian: At server?
09:43 AM XXCoder: yeah irc.libera.chat
09:44 AM Thorhian: Does that mean I'm safe to delete my user/auth info here on Freenode then?
09:46 AM XXCoder: if want to. im not too worried
09:46 AM XXCoder: whos owner of here anyway
09:51 AM roycroft: i'm not sure it's accurate to label what may happen as a "hostile takeover"
09:52 AM roycroft: it looks, upon cursory research, to be an internal squabble, the implications of which may or may not have an effect on users of the network
09:53 AM roycroft: i've been around irc for a very long time, and used to operate a server on what was at the time the largest irc network, and i can assure you, drama is all but an absolute requirement for being part of an irc network operator
09:54 AM * roycroft thinks a wait and see approach is most prudent at this time
10:33 AM roycroft: shopfox are sending me a new disk for my sander
10:41 AM rs[m]: irc drama again.
11:57 AM Tom_L: ok, i think it's time to find another network. the spammers are just going to follow them on freenode. i joined the new one this morning and have gotten more spam than messages already
11:57 AM Tom_L: there's some deep seated hatred among freenode staff
12:00 PM roycroft: what kind of spam?
12:00 PM roycroft: i've gotten no spam messages her or on libera.chat at all
12:00 PM roycroft: here
12:01 PM roycroft: i get all my spam from teh youtube :)
12:01 PM roycroft: and on my cell phone
12:01 PM Tom_L: hagebake> THIS CHANNEL CAN NOW BE FOUND ON IRC.FREENODE.NET
12:01 PM Tom_L: <peder> THIS CHANNEL CAN NOW BE FOUND ON IRC.FREENODE.NET
12:01 PM Tom_L: <hagebake> THIS CHANNEL CAN NOW BE FOUND ON IRC.FREENODE.NET
12:01 PM Tom_L: <hagebake> THIS CHANNEL CAN NOW BE FOUND ON IRC.FREENODE.NET
12:01 PM Tom_L: for example
12:02 PM roycroft: oh brother
12:02 PM Tom_L: that was from the new one
12:02 PM roycroft: how did they find you and not me?
12:02 PM Tom_L: it's in the channel chat
12:02 PM roycroft: i'm on linuxcnc, and haven't seen it
12:02 PM roycroft: hmm
12:02 PM Tom_L: you joined late in the game
12:03 PM roycroft: yeah, that first couple hours must have been hell :)
12:04 PM roycroft: if there's a civil war going on in freenode it may be messy for a while
12:04 PM roycroft: good time to focus on projects, and not chatting!
12:07 PM Tom_L: with that said, this came across one of the channels:
12:07 PM Tom_L: -amdj- We are currently in the process of mitigating channel abuse; network-wide spam bots. In the meantime, you can set your channels +R (registered users only) or +zq $~a (quiets unregistered users).
12:07 PM Tom_L: -amdj- Correction to my previous statement: the channel mode is +r, not +R.
12:08 PM Tom_L: if that be put in place, everyone would have t re'register i think
12:09 PM Tom_L: it says i'm not registered on the other network
12:10 PM roycroft: the problem is that the nick registration service is swamped
12:11 PM roycroft: i had to attempt to register my nick a couple dozen times before it went through
12:11 PM roycroft: and i've not yet received the confirmation email from services
12:11 PM roycroft: if i don't receive it by tomorrow my nick registration will be cancelled and i'll have to start over
12:12 PM roycroft: i've whitelisted the sender address for the registration confirmations, but my anti-spam service has not seen any emails from that address
12:12 PM roycroft: so that's going to be a mess for a while, and i'd recommend not setting +R or +r
12:14 PM roycroft: shopfox just send me an email confirming that they're sending the replacement disc, and they don't want the old one back
12:14 PM roycroft: so i suppose that i could build a second disc sander if i want
12:15 PM roycroft: it's coming out of missouri, so i'm quite certain they use the same warehouses and shipping logistics as grizzly
12:20 PM Tom_L: hah that's 2x lakeshore shipping has been a day early
12:40 PM drdoc: Okie Dokie
12:40 PM drdoc: The SheetCAM Linux demo does observe the 180-line limit
12:41 PM Tom_L: sux ehh?
12:41 PM drdoc: and on my Buster installit's prone to weird hangs
12:42 PM drdoc: Tom_L: that doesn't feel like a horrible limitation, for a trial copy
12:43 PM Tom_L: i suppose for a flat 2d cam no
12:43 PM drdoc: SC provides exclusion areas, so I could/can easily cut up the jobs to get around it
12:43 PM Tom_L: for a surface that could be one cuter pass or less
12:44 PM drdoc: the hangs bother me more than the limit
12:45 PM drdoc: Seems to be related to PHP/zlib version stuff
12:46 PM drdoc: but I haven't lost any work, so I might just live with it
12:47 PM drdoc: Tom_L: you know the worst thing about Fusion 360?
12:48 PM Tom_L: autodesk?
12:48 PM drdoc: Every google search or forum thread about entry level CAM devolves straight to "
12:49 PM drdoc: "F360 is free!!!! Why bother!!!"
12:49 PM roycroft: freedom always comes with a price
12:49 PM drdoc: and fake freedom is the priciest
12:50 PM drdoc: It's almost like Autodesk follows the forums to see which features they can pull out for ransom
12:51 PM drdoc: to the greatest effect
12:58 PM roycroft: i don't mind paying for software, but i inisist on owning what i pay for, not renting it
12:59 PM drdoc: I will say that I like sheetcam's UI and workflow a lot better than meshcam
12:59 PM drdoc: roycroft: that, exactly
01:29 PM Tom_L: more carbide has arrived
01:36 PM JT-Shop: yippie
01:38 PM Tom_L: nice shiny golden coating
01:38 PM Tom_L: just as i was about to go cut some softjaws...
01:44 PM Tom_L: i think a nap is in order first
02:27 PM Tom_itx: ok i've got an issue with G83
02:27 PM Tom_itx: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g83
02:28 PM Tom_itx: G98 G83 Z-1.2788 R-0.9 Q0.0313 F5.0
02:28 PM Tom_itx: error says No G or M code uses the Q word
02:28 PM Tom_itx: but it's in the documentation
02:33 PM Tom_L: maybe i need to go back to the G73
02:33 PM Tom_L: but i thought G83 was better for this
02:34 PM Tom_L: acording to the docs, the code looks right to me
03:13 PM miss0r: JT-Shop: I've managed to get my stove/water basin installed now: https://imgur.com/a/CSHYnfi
03:15 PM JT-Shop: nice looking work
03:16 PM miss0r: Thanks. I almost shat myself when I found out I would only have a 10mm sliver of wood on either side of the insert...
03:16 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, works in axis sim
03:16 PM miss0r: So, I had to reinforce it :)
03:16 PM JT-Shop: 10mm of wood is not very strong
03:17 PM miss0r: nope
03:17 PM * JT-Shop gets back to preparing for tomorrows trip to tx
03:17 PM miss0r: hence the reinforcements :)
03:17 PM miss0r: Have a good trip ;)
03:18 PM Tom_L: ok it didn't like the G98 on the same line
03:18 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure why it outputs it anyway
03:20 PM JT-Shop: I did the g98 on the same line in axis sim
03:20 PM JT-Shop: I copied and pasted what you posted above
03:21 PM Tom_L: well i'm running 2.7 and dunno when i updated last either
03:21 PM Tom_L: it looks like it should work but it didn't
03:21 PM Tom_L: moved G98 on the line above it and it was fine with that
03:22 PM Tom_itx: N2807 G98
03:22 PM Tom_itx: N2887 G83 Z-1.2788 R-0.9 Q0.0313 F5.0
03:22 PM JT-Shop: it's worked like that for a long time, check the docs
03:22 PM Tom_L: it was ok with that
03:22 PM JT-Shop: you use n numbers?
03:22 PM Tom_L: always
03:23 PM Tom_L: for my own benefit
03:23 PM Tom_L: i know i don't need to
03:23 PM Tom_L: so i'll fix the template
03:24 PM Tom_L: and switch back to G83
03:24 PM Tom_L: G73 didn't complain about it
03:24 PM JT-Shop: N2887 G98 G83 Z-1.2788 R-0.9 Q0.0313 F5.0 works fine in axis 2.7
03:24 PM Tom_L: yeah i dunno what's going on but mine burps on it
03:25 PM Tom_L: it's easy to move it to the line above
03:28 PM Tom_L: is G83 (all canned cycles) modal?
03:28 PM Tom_L: i think they are
03:29 PM JT-Shop: yea
03:29 PM Tom_L: my 2nd drill cycle didn't output a G83 and i didn't think it needed to
03:29 PM Tom_L: i'll test it and see
03:29 PM Tom_L: i can go either way pretty easy in the template
03:31 PM Tom_L: it's probably better if i did for my own sanity
03:51 PM Tom_L: ok that works now
04:07 PM Roguish: Tom_L, hey, what's all this freenode noise???
04:12 PM Tom_L: Roguish, it's under new management aparently
04:12 PM Tom_L: and the guy that quit started another network
04:13 PM Roguish: is that important to us??
04:13 PM Tom_L: it may not hurt to consider another place to hang out
04:13 PM Tom_L: i'm not going to get in a big rush though
04:14 PM Roguish: I agree with you. wait and see....
04:16 PM JavaBean: ew, libera stubbed their mailserver already
04:16 PM Tom_L: it's gonna take them some time to get things settled i'm sure
04:18 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qymVW7Xywx8
04:18 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/A3_fixture.jpg
04:18 PM Tom_L: camera hated the overhead led strip
04:20 PM Tom_L: square blank goes on the right, flip and do the bottom on the left side
04:21 PM JT-Shop: nice
04:21 PM Tom_L: i was gang cutting them out from a plate but it wasn't working as planned
04:22 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/A3_batch/Batch1.jpg
04:22 PM Roguish: JT-Shop, hey, I used that facing routine you wrote decades ago again. nice.
04:22 PM Roguish: how about writing one to face a vertical surface....
04:23 PM Roguish: like cleaning up the side of stock.
04:23 PM Tom_L: just switch workplanes :)
04:23 PM JT-Shop: :)
04:23 PM Roguish: really?
04:24 PM Roguish: ill try it
04:24 PM Tom_L: it's possible yes but maybe not the best way
04:24 PM Tom_L: it's quick though :)
04:25 PM Tom_L: you may have to swap x or y for Z
04:25 PM Tom_L: and vice versa
04:25 PM Roguish: did that with the rectangular probing routine.... worked good.
04:26 PM Roguish: JT-Shop, would those routines be difficult to convert to QT ?
04:27 PM Tom_L: bbl
04:40 PM JT-Shop: Roguish, no it's all python so easy
04:43 PM JT-Shop: Roguish, which one are you using?
05:19 PM drdoc: oh, cool
05:19 PM drdoc: anyone interested in a brief description?
05:19 PM drdoc: https://www.allsurplus.com/asset/1317/4052
05:46 PM JT-Shop: that's pretty brief
05:46 PM * JT-Shop is sleeping in Marshall Tx tomorrow night
05:46 PM snakedGT is now known as snaked
05:46 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: nice
05:47 PM XXCoder: everyone who missed what happened earlier today, freenode staff have resigned en-masse
05:47 PM Tom_L: sounds well patrolled
05:47 PM Tom_L: where the hell is Marshall?
05:47 PM XXCoder: irc.libera.chat have been setup and channel exists there
05:48 PM JT-Shop: not anything like the trip we had planned for spring of 2020 but a good trip to attend grandsons graduation party
05:48 PM JT-Shop: about halfway between Poplar Bluff and Cypress Tx
05:49 PM JT-Shop: east of Dallas near mozmck I think
05:49 PM Tom_L: kids live there?
05:50 PM JT-Shop: Cypress yes
05:50 PM Tom_L: have fun
05:50 PM JT-Shop: we will try our best
05:50 PM JT-Shop: on the way home stopping at my brothers for a crawfish boil in Reserve La
05:51 PM drdoc: aw yeah
05:52 PM JT-Shop: his neighbor and him cook them better than me because I don't get as much practice as they do
05:52 PM drdoc: practice is crucial too
05:52 PM JT-Shop: prob have to fast for a week when I get home lol
05:53 PM JT-Shop: we can get crawfish about 60 miles from here
05:53 PM Tom_L: their steaks aren't as good in the south though
05:54 PM drdoc: as good as where?
05:54 PM roycroft: yikes
05:54 PM Tom_L: maybe in Tx but not SE
05:54 PM roycroft: 1" mdf: $69.30
05:54 PM roycroft: and that's my cost
05:54 PM roycroft: retail is closer to $100
05:54 PM drdoc: roycroft: yup
05:54 PM roycroft: a year ago 1" mdf was $32
05:54 PM drdoc: right now it's cheaper to use bakelite for spoilboard than wood products
05:55 PM * roycroft is smart enough to sit down before checking lumber prices
05:55 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:55 PM roycroft: what sucks is that this is for an in-house project, so i can't pass the cost along to the customer
05:56 PM Tom_L: not directly
05:56 PM JT-Shop: last year our second stop was the Cattlemens's Steakhouse in Oklahoma City
05:56 PM roycroft: i'm not going to increase margin right now
05:56 PM roycroft: i'd lose business
05:56 PM roycroft: there are enough other cost increases at the moment
05:57 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, there used to be one in Bartlesville if you could eat it, it was free
05:57 PM * JT-Shop has not seen one stick of lumber leaving menards in a week
05:57 PM roycroft: btw, my sander disc is dead flat
05:57 PM JT-Shop: one of those 64 ounce steaks?
05:57 PM Tom_L: probably
05:57 PM roycroft: so i'm sure it was not mounted in the lathe properly when it was turned
05:57 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, was the orig one warped?
05:58 PM Tom_L: my friend did it once
05:58 PM roycroft: i'm talking about the original one
05:58 PM roycroft: it's not warped
05:58 PM roycroft: but the face is not perpendicular to the shaft bore
05:58 PM jdh: I'll be in .mo.us in a week or so for a few days.
05:58 PM JT-Shop: that would be interesting
05:58 PM roycroft: the replacement just shipped today, so i won't have it for a few days
05:58 PM JT-Shop: where at in mo?
05:58 PM jdh: Hermann?
05:59 PM JT-Shop: nice!
05:59 PM jdh: Meeting my sister and nephew there for a day or two on my way to Kansas
05:59 PM JT-Shop: go to Swiss and get some brats
05:59 PM jdh: in Hermann?
05:59 PM JT-Shop: Swiss mo
05:59 PM JT-Shop: just south of Hermann
05:59 PM roycroft: what's interesting is that the disc has a 5/8" bore
05:59 PM jdh: I neglected to get a place to stay in Hermann and now the town is booked.
05:59 PM JT-Shop: we drive up there from time to time
05:59 PM roycroft: and i have a spare 3/4hp motor with a 19mm bore
06:00 PM roycroft: er
06:00 PM roycroft: 19mm shaft
06:00 PM JT-Shop: Hermann is a bit small for accommodations
06:00 PM roycroft: so when i get the replacement disc, i can bore the original one to 19mm and mount it on the 3/4hp motor for a second disc sander
06:00 PM jdh: yeah, lots of b&b type places.
06:00 PM roycroft: i've been going back and forth trying to decide what grit to use
06:00 PM jdh: my sister has one for the long w/e. I'll stay somewhere off the interstate and drive down.
06:00 PM roycroft: between 80 and 120
06:01 PM Tom_L: 100
06:01 PM JT-Shop: you would have better luck up by I70
06:01 PM roycroft: i decided 120 is probably best, but 80 would be nice at times
06:01 PM roycroft: so now i can have both
06:01 PM jdh: Yeah, looks like two cheap places 17 miles north
06:01 PM roycroft: actually i considered 100 grit, tom_l, but i can only get 80 and 120 locally
06:02 PM roycroft: and i'd rather try to use something i can get locally than rely on somthing i have to order online
06:02 PM jdh: JT-Shop: how's the rain this year? Last two trips this time of year through there everything was flooded
06:02 PM Tom_L: we got boxes of disk pads back when my friend was building the press for them for 3M
06:03 PM JT-Shop: jdh, there is/was a chocolate place in Hermann... real good
06:03 PM JT-Shop: rain down here seems to be normal
06:03 PM JT-Shop: dunno about Hermann
06:04 PM Tom_L: what F / S would you recomend for a .250 drill in 6061?
06:04 PM Tom_L: i don't program for many drills
06:05 PM JT-Shop: hmm I've not got my fs calc on this pc and the other one is off line
06:05 PM Tom_L: chip load?
06:05 PM Tom_L: i got the wizzard one on my phone
06:06 PM Tom_L: i'm not used to being able to drill with this one coming from the sherline
06:07 PM JT-Shop: 0.002" to 0.006" IPR
06:08 PM JT-Shop: 200-300 SFM
06:09 PM JT-Shop: chow time here
06:11 PM drdoc: Tom_L: HSS? Coated?
06:15 PM XXCoder: one channel here have moved over pretty fast lol
06:16 PM XXCoder: here its harder due to seems nobody is an op?
06:16 PM Tom_L: just jobber hss
06:17 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, IPT or IPR?
06:17 PM roycroft: there are a number of hidden chanops here
06:17 PM Tom_L: yeah, they're not really hidden
06:17 PM roycroft: i still don't see any need to rush to the new network
06:18 PM roycroft: i think it's prudent to set it up there
06:18 PM XXCoder: its already setup
06:18 PM roycroft: right
06:18 PM roycroft: what i'm saying is that there's no need to rush to abandon freenode
06:18 PM roycroft: reports of its death may be premature
06:18 PM XXCoder: nah freenode staff offically resigned
06:19 PM roycroft: i still haven't gotten my nickserv registration email, btw
06:19 PM roycroft: staff can be replaced
06:19 PM XXCoder: will they follow freenode philosphy? i think not
06:19 PM XXCoder: since they would be company hires
06:19 PM * roycroft remembers this same kind of thing happening on efnet in the late '90s, and that network is still around
06:20 PM roycroft: this is assuming you believe everything that has been posted by the folks who quit
06:20 PM roycroft: i don't know any of those people
06:20 PM roycroft: nor any of their history
06:20 PM drdoc: you know what this all reminds me of?
06:20 PM roycroft: i read a little of what they had to say
06:21 PM drdoc: a really vicious HOA dispute
06:21 PM roycroft: and part of a log containing statements by the "narcissistic trumpian korean bitcoin millionaire"
06:21 PM XXCoder: one of em yeah. most is well reasoned and nice resign statement
06:22 PM XXCoder: the trumpian one is not resign but comment
06:22 PM roycroft: i'm not convinced that i have anywhere near enough valid information to form an opinion about what is going on
06:22 PM roycroft: it looks like a typical irc drama pageant to me
06:22 PM roycroft: i've lived through many of them
06:23 PM roycroft: freenode is a unique network, in that a large number of hardware and software vendors officially sponsor channels here
06:23 PM roycroft: that kind of coroporate involvement means things are not likely to change quickly on this network
06:24 PM XXCoder: roycroft: i read entire irc logs on that
06:24 PM XXCoder: andrew is not a nice guy
06:25 PM roycroft: nor are most irc operators, in my experience
06:25 PM XXCoder: hes working to make money and lot of it
06:25 PM roycroft: and i'll remind you that i operated an irc server on efnet in the '90s
06:25 PM XXCoder: yeah?
06:25 PM XXCoder: cool
06:26 PM roycroft: i'm not bragging
06:26 PM XXCoder: i know
06:26 PM roycroft: just making sure you know i speak from experience
06:26 PM XXCoder: i know
06:26 PM roycroft: and i'm not defending freenode
06:27 PM roycroft: i'm not advocating either staying or leaving
06:27 PM roycroft: i don't know enough about the situation to make such a judgement
06:27 PM roycroft: all i'm saying is that the severity of the conflict is probably being overstated
06:27 PM drdoc: If I had to pick a permanent choice right now it would be stay
06:27 PM drdoc: this crap used to happen on varying scales all the rime
06:28 PM roycroft: and that i don't think it's prudent to abandon freenode immediately
06:28 PM drdoc: time
06:28 PM drdoc: it's *hard* to kill IRC
06:28 PM roycroft: what i do know is that i'd rather not have to hang out on the same channel two different networks indefinitely
06:28 PM drdoc: ^^^^
06:29 PM roycroft: and i hope that we don't have a situation where half this channel go to the new network and half stay here
06:29 PM roycroft: we already lost a bunch of folks to that new video chat thing that people are using
06:29 PM roycroft: maybe the channel can be linked between the two networks while this is being sorted?
06:29 PM drdoc: heresy
06:30 PM drdoc: https://texas.hibid.com/lot/90920695/assorted-drill-bits/
06:30 PM roycroft: it's been done before
06:30 PM drdoc: woot!
06:30 PM drdoc: I bid on that with the assumption that the drills themselves are junk
06:31 PM roycroft: you just wanted the index?
06:31 PM drdoc: yes
06:31 PM roycroft: cool
06:31 PM drdoc: and some junk drills, if I'm honest
06:32 PM roycroft: and if you want to make your money back several times over, just take all the drills, stick them in the blasting cabinet, blast the coating off, leave them out in the rain for a few days, and then put them on cl as "vintage" drills
06:32 PM drdoc: those situations where the hole quality isn't critical and the drill's gonna die no matter what
06:32 PM roycroft: you can get $75 for the lot
06:33 PM drdoc: yup
06:33 PM drdoc: that index looks vintage as hell
06:33 PM XXCoder: disconnected for a min here lol vinage drills
06:33 PM XXCoder: did i miss a link?
06:33 PM roycroft: it's not rusty enough to be able to sell as vintage
06:34 PM drdoc: https://texas.hibid.com/lot/90920695/assorted-drill-bits/
06:34 PM drdoc: XXCoder: that
06:34 PM roycroft: i was just telling drdoc how to recover an investment
06:34 PM drdoc: all I wanted was the box
06:34 PM XXCoder: interesting
06:34 PM roycroft: you can probably remove the coating with some muriatic acid
06:34 PM XXCoder: though those is for sure not butteralloy
06:35 PM roycroft: which would have the advantage of pre-rusting them as well
06:35 PM drdoc: Am I the only one that regularly ruins bits drilling wonky holes in wonky crap?
06:35 PM roycroft: i don't usually ruin them
06:35 PM roycroft: but i do have to resharpen more often than i'd prefer
06:35 PM drdoc: well, does things to them you wouldn't do to your best bits
06:36 PM XXCoder: i saw bunch of interesting resharper 3d print projects there
06:36 PM XXCoder: makes resharping much easier
06:36 PM roycroft: i've learned that bed rails are not cheap angle iron
06:36 PM XXCoder: all you need to do after that is add relief angle
06:36 PM roycroft: they're actually really expensive, when you add in the cost of sharpening and replacing drills when you hit hard spots
06:36 PM drdoc: man, old school Blue Point sharpening jigs are a dime a dozen
06:37 PM roycroft: i use a drill doctor for my smaller drills
06:37 PM roycroft: 3/8" or so and smaller
06:37 PM drdoc: was replying to XXCoder
06:37 PM roycroft: larger drills i usually just sharpen by hand
06:37 PM drdoc: yeah
06:37 PM XXCoder: https://assets.suredone.com/1742/media-photos/102337-blue-point-dg-825-drill-grinding-attachment-tool-bit-sharpener-2.jpg
06:37 PM XXCoder: this?
06:37 PM drdoc: yes
06:37 PM XXCoder: not too expensive
06:37 PM XXCoder: beter that than small jigs
06:38 PM XXCoder: how do it work? i guess it works with grinder wheels
06:39 PM drdoc: they work pretty well if the grinder's dressed
06:39 PM XXCoder: saved it for now
06:39 PM roycroft: i've found that harbor freight class drills often don't even last for one hole
06:39 PM XXCoder: butteralloy
06:39 PM XXCoder: thats why i suggest save those old drills
06:39 PM roycroft: and if you're drilling in wonky material, they melt down immediately
06:39 PM XXCoder: just resharp or something
06:40 PM roycroft: which is why i just avoid crappy drills, and know that if i'm drilling wonky metal i may need to resharpen
06:40 PM drdoc: roycroft: and they always drill a 3-corner hole
06:40 PM roycroft: well i never pretend to drill a round hole with a twist drill
06:40 PM roycroft: if i need my holes to be round, i have reamers
06:41 PM roycroft: and boring heads/boring bars
06:41 PM roycroft: and forstner drills for making round holes in wood
06:41 PM roycroft: and end mills
06:41 PM roycroft: there are many ways to make round holes
06:41 PM drdoc: yup
06:42 PM roycroft: none of which involve a twist drill for the final operation
06:42 PM drdoc: I do expect a hole round enough to tap
06:43 PM veegee: Why would people use automatic transmission fluid in standard hydraulic systems?
06:43 PM drdoc: because dur
06:44 PM drdoc: what's wrong with this picture?
06:44 PM roycroft: for twist drills, i've been buying drill hog brand
06:44 PM drdoc: https://texas.hibid.com/lot/90995494/
06:44 PM drdoc: I like drill hog
06:44 PM roycroft: they're made in usa, are high quality, and fairlly affordable
06:44 PM drdoc: and Norsmen
06:44 PM drdoc: Norseman?
06:45 PM drdoc: I used to like Irwin but they ain't what they used to be
06:45 PM roycroft: drdoc: cheap chinese micrometers can be made semi-useful if you get accurate standards for them
06:46 PM roycroft: there may be method to the madness
06:46 PM roycroft: there may also be standard auction stupidity involved
06:47 PM drdoc: those are go-nogos aren't they?
06:48 PM drdoc: urgh
06:48 PM drdoc: In principle, I very much prefer soft-close auctions
06:49 PM drdoc: in practice, the slow cadence of a bid war is excruciating
06:49 PM roycroft: oh, maybe they are
06:50 PM roycroft: i just glanced at them and assumed they were micrometer calibration standards
06:50 PM drdoc: actually they probably are
06:50 PM drdoc: they're certainly not inside micrometers
06:50 PM roycroft: and there are a couple adjustment wrenches on the right side
06:51 PM roycroft: so if you have cheap chinese micrometers it may be worth a few dollars to get some decent standards for them
06:51 PM drdoc: right
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06:53 PM drdoc: there's somebody bidding against me on an ultrasonic tank that keeps trying to snipe it
06:53 PM drdoc: or maybe he's using an app
06:54 PM drdoc: I can't decide whether I want this or no:
06:54 PM drdoc: https://texas.hibid.com/lot/90920818/torit-wet-grinder/
06:54 PM drdoc: it's a dental lab grinder, so probably at least 320 grit
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07:02 PM drdoc: roycroft: I guess this other bidder thinks I'll get bored and go away
07:03 PM drdoc: they keep waiting till there's less than a minute on the clock and outbidding me
07:03 PM drdoc: ...which adds 3 minutes to the clock
07:12 PM Rab: They feel the same way!
07:21 PM drdoc: Rab: there's no benefit to sniping a soft close
07:22 PM drdoc: if all bid outside the extension window, in this case 2 minutes, the price goes to its max and it's all over 3 minutes later
07:22 PM drdoc: if somebody's sniping, it takes an hour to get to the same damn price
07:23 PM Rab: Maybe it takes them 2:55 to realize that they want to keep going.
07:23 PM drdoc: lol
07:23 PM drdoc: I wanted it a couple bucks more than they did:
07:23 PM drdoc: https://texas.hibid.com/lot/90920819
07:24 PM drdoc: worst case I'll have to fit it with manual controls
07:25 PM drdoc: best case it's a $400 tank for $80
07:30 PM drdoc: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/622078535963508746/844171647552323624/unknown.png
07:31 PM XXCoder: lol
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07:56 PM drdoc: roycroft: what would you bid for those "Mitoyo Inside Micrometers"?
08:26 PM Bleepshop: drdoc: Did you ever get Sheetcam to run? It runs for me but acts wierd. I can't get the machine table and working envelope to overlap because the enter coordinates box under table display is grayed out but showing -24/-48. ?
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08:29 PM roycroft: drdoc: i don't need them, but if i did they'd be worth maybe $20
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08:39 PM Tom_L: first article off isn't terrible
08:39 PM Tom_L: the corner radius tool was a tiny bit closeer than it should be
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09:14 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/New/
09:15 PM Tom_L: this evenings part
09:15 PM Tom_L: 2 is kinda blurry
09:16 PM Tom_L: i gotta bring the radius tool out a tiny bit
09:24 PM drdoc: roycroft: that was my thinking, but then I had to go Do Things and missed the end
09:27 PM drdoc: the ultrasonic cleaner, the drill set, and a $17 14ft extension ladder made for a nice day's haul, though
09:28 PM drdoc: Bleepshop: those dialogs are a little confusing. the radio button between the tic-tac-toe box and the coordinates boxes is your friend
09:28 PM drdoc: I may or may not have had the same trouble.
09:29 PM XXCoder: yep standard flip over work
09:35 PM jepler: For years (since before I started, and that was an age ago!), LinuxCNC's live chat has been hosted by freenode using the IRC protocol. However, we are currently monitoring the evolving situation of freenode's changing ownership & operations: https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/
09:35 PM jepler: Changing how we communicate will be painful but if freenode is mismanaged it will be necessary.
09:35 PM jepler: Now is a great time to either subscribe to our email based discussion lists or bookmark the forum, in case the situation on Freenode becomes such that we can't communicate with you about any future chat service.
09:36 PM jepler: http://linuxcnc.org/community/
09:36 PM XXCoder: jepler: are you owner of this channel?
09:36 PM veegee: CaptHindsight any luck with your engine dyno project?
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09:37 PM jepler: XXCoder: yes
09:37 PM veegee: Also, can LinuxCNC make use of DRO scales to compensate for backlash on lead screws?
09:37 PM XXCoder: excellent. i have owner of linuxcnc in irc.libra.chat
09:37 PM veegee: I have ball screws, but I want to see how it does with regular acme screws
09:38 PM jepler: XXCoder: okay, I've also been working with those folks for the linuxcnc organization name, I hope we haven't caused trouble together.
09:38 PM XXCoder: yeah i was hoping owner will come in evenually. yay lol
09:40 PM jepler: I'm not active much but this sort of thing brings me out of hiding
09:41 PM XXCoder: yeah. i was literally first in all channels i regular in lol. couple channels i registered to prevent people taking control, most was fast enough i just kept op till owner come in
09:41 PM drdoc: jepler: you're probably closer to real information than most of us. What do you make of the "hostile management" claims?
09:42 PM jepler: right at this moment it's not clear what the right course of action is going to be, but doing defensive stuff like registering a name is good
09:42 PM drdoc: oh yeah
09:42 PM jepler: drdoc: I am not close to either past or current freenode administration
09:42 PM drdoc: ok
09:43 PM enleth: eh, so it only takes one obtuse asshat to cause combined tens of thousands of hours of basically wasted effort for everyone - and all he's going to get in the end is a dead domain name
09:43 PM drdoc: or not
09:44 PM XXCoder: enleth: it happened couple years ao. it was a concern, and it indeed was.
09:45 PM drdoc: longer term, I really expect the larger freenode community to just weather the storm
09:46 PM Bleepshop: drdoc: Not finding it. Which menu?
09:46 PM jepler: That's one possible outcome for sure. That's why at this moment I just want to encourage people to have a 2nd way to communicate with the community, such as the forum.
09:46 PM drdoc: jepler: I don't disagree with that at all
09:47 PM XXCoder: i was in other irc which similiar happened
09:47 PM XXCoder: neither side surivied
09:47 PM drdoc: I'm already on the discord server and will be signing up for the forum
09:48 PM jepler: I also joined the discord, didn't know we had one
09:48 PM drdoc: it's not much of one yet. ;)
09:49 PM jepler: there's a conversation going on that's not about who is administering an IRC server
09:49 PM jepler: that's pretty good already
09:50 PM drdoc: you know, in '96 or '97 the FreeBSD developers had a huge kerfluffle over commit privileges and favoritism
09:50 PM * Bleepshop fumes... "Just my luck. Get a machine, get linuxcnc installed and calibrated, finally start asking intelligent questions and some moneyed jackass is going to kill my info source."
09:50 PM drdoc: and the whole BSD world kind of held our breath waiting on The Big Rift.
09:51 PM drdoc: Bleepshop: I'll go back to that in a minute
09:52 PM drdoc: jepler: some sane people virtually sat down and had sane conversations and nobody got happy but nobody cried and nobody got stitches
09:52 PM Bleepshop: drdoc: I remember that. And giggling because I was using Slackware at the time and wasn't freaking out like the BSD geeks at UNM were. LOL
09:52 PM drdoc: point being that it wasn't a tempest in a teacup; the problem was real
09:53 PM jepler: 'night all, I'll let you get back to making chips or whatever
09:53 PM drdoc: later man. Thanks for dropping in
09:53 PM * Bleepshop claps an ankle manacle on jepler.
09:53 PM Bleepshop: Oh no you odn't. LOL
09:54 PM Bleepshop: jepler: Long time no see. :D
09:54 PM jepler: Bleepshop: for better or for worse my energy is going in other directions these days
09:55 PM XXCoder: hey bleep
09:55 PM XXCoder: bleep no worries we are already working on backup. you can join there now if want to
09:55 PM drdoc: Bleepshop: go into Options > Machine, and then the Table Display tab
09:56 PM Bleepshop: jepler: Man if it's you I remember you from 20+ years ago when the last rounds of flak were sweeping through EFnet IIRC.
09:58 PM Bleepshop: drdoc: Found it ind of. I have to click on the labels as parts of the gui seem borked.
09:58 PM drdoc: what linux are you running?
09:59 PM Bleepshop: Fedora 33
09:59 PM drdoc: yeah, you may not get full function there
09:59 PM drdoc: I'm running debian because Ubuntu's GUI makes the baby jesus cry
10:00 PM drdoc: The SheetCAM dev is active on cnczone and I found a post where he says that he only keeps a linux port for us - the lcnc folk
10:00 PM jepler: Bleepshop: I was on efnet back in the day .. generic linux channel? I've had the same irc nick for yeah well let's not talk just how many years. Sad to say I don't recognize you by name though
10:01 PM Bleepshop: I'm using xfce4 so I could give a rats ass. LOL
10:01 PM drdoc: Ubuntu does weird crap with the desktop env even running xfce
10:01 PM Bleepshop: jepler: My main is Bleeptech. I used to hand in #dwarchive and hold down #ffc. :D
10:01 PM Bleepshop: hand
10:01 PM Bleepshop: hang
10:02 PM drdoc: anyhow, SheetCAM's only tested on the debian derivatives
10:02 PM * Bleepshop needs glasses.
10:02 PM drdoc: I'm having some weird errors too, but everything seems to be working
10:03 PM drdoc: I'm on unmolested Debian 10
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10:03 PM drdoc: I'd bet a donut it runs without error on Deb 9 or 8
10:03 PM * Bleepshop is on brutally annoyed Fedora 33.
10:04 PM drdoc: I'm so sorry, man
10:04 PM drdoc: why????
10:04 PM Bleepshop: I've already had to drag in all kinds of odd libraries to get things like solvespace to run.
10:04 PM drdoc: yeah, I believe it
10:05 PM Bleepshop: But for quick kinematic layups when you don't have a bucket of Lego Technic handy it's great.
10:06 PM drdoc: If I were giving advice, I'd say make a Deb 9 virtualbox vm and try sheetcam on that
10:06 PM XXCoder: how well does solvespace work?
10:06 PM XXCoder: i last checked it it was pretty cool but bit hard to sue
10:06 PM XXCoder: use
10:06 PM drdoc: probably even harder to sue
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: jepler: there are also LinuxCNC rooms/channels/servers etc on Discord and the Matrix
10:06 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: !
10:07 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Well, I could tell you, but the how of why I know it works would piss off every prude in the channel. xD
10:07 PM XXCoder: lol
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: so we has IRC, Discord, Matrix, the LCNC forums and two mail lists
10:07 PM djdelorie: And ESP. Don't forget ESP.
10:07 PM jepler: CaptHindsight: what are the matrix details? wuold like to add them to https://github.com/LinuxCNC/wlo/blob/master/community/index.md
10:08 PM CaptHindsight: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#LCNC:matrix.org since I use Riot
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: #LCNC:matrix.org
10:09 PM jepler: is that properly called a "channel" or a "server"?
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: room
10:10 PM * Tom_L peeks in the window
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: it's public on The Matrix, so anyone can join, no invite needed
10:10 PM jepler: huh trying to join it errors for me (I'm in riot.im too) .. says "#LCNC:Matrix.org is not accessible at this time."
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: jepler: sent you invites on the Matrix
10:11 PM Tom_L: jepler, i did a search for channel and clicked on join
10:11 PM jepler: ok, I think I made it in now.
10:11 PM Tom_L: in riot
10:12 PM XXCoder: jep look at message at libra heh
10:12 PM Tom_L: i just hope we don't get too many choices and split the channel up
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: we tried to brdige the matrix to IRC but we needed a channel admin on freenode to be around
10:12 PM Tom_L: it happened in #avr
10:13 PM jepler: > * A community member has registered a Matrix room, [#LCNC:matrix.org (link joins via riot.im)](https://riot.im/app/#/room/#LCNC:matrix.org).
10:13 PM jepler: this is the language I'm adding to the document on www.linuxcnc.org ..
10:13 PM jepler: I also changed the discord link to reflect that it's a community member vs a super-official thing. Not that anything's super official
10:14 PM Tom_L: jepler, are you on riot in #LCNC?
10:14 PM jepler: yeah that's me
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: jepler: the Discord admin for LCNC is never around, I tried to contact him directly but no luck yet
10:14 PM Tom_L: i'm not seeing it if you are
10:14 PM Tom_L: ahh gotcha
10:16 PM Tom_L: if the channels go to matrix i wonder how that will affect the buildbot messages
10:27 PM roycroft: so it appears that the other side of the freenode dispute has spoken out
10:27 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:28 PM * Tom_L draws a line in the sand and fires a pistol in the air
10:28 PM roycroft: i'm even more convinced now that i don't know what's really going on
10:29 PM Tom_L: it's a freenode battle of the ages
10:29 PM Tom_L: been going on for years
10:29 PM roycroft: i don't think freenode is dead
10:29 PM roycroft: nor that it's imperative to find a new home immediately
10:31 PM roycroft: i'm getting the impression that one of the biggest issues is that the guy who "owns" freenode put some ads promoting his business on the freenode website, and some of the operators of the network did not take kindly to that
10:32 PM Tom_L: i've been on matrix anyway, just not lately
10:33 PM * roycroft just put on an old bogart film and thinks he'll watch that instead of delving deeper into freenode politics
10:33 PM Tom_L: he was part of it: https://encyclopediadramatica.wiki/index.php/Rucas
10:36 PM drdoc: roycroft: that sounds like a plan
10:37 PM roycroft: treasure of the sierra madre
10:38 PM roycroft: one of his best
10:38 PM Tom_L: the 2nd part came out better
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10:39 PM Tom_L: still a tiny line where the part was flipped and profiled but the debur dept can fix that :)
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