#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 27 2021
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:51 AM Deejay: moin
04:24 AM Tom_L: morning
05:07 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:39 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-heat/wood-bin-2/wood-bin-04.jpg
06:39 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-heat/wood-bin-2/wood-bin-05.jpg
06:39 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-heat/wood-bin-2/wood-bin-06.jpg
09:57 AM JT-Shop: working on the walls today until it starts to rain
10:36 AM _unreal_: damn its hot out
10:36 AM _unreal_: just finished cleaning out the fire pit, cleaning the pool
10:37 AM _unreal_: tired as well
10:37 AM _unreal_: mainly because of the heat
11:42 AM JT-Cave: just some side walls open in front and back
11:43 AM Tom_L: figured as much
11:43 AM Tom_L: i did a small one from 1" square tube
11:43 AM Tom_L: just on the patio
11:43 AM JT-Cave: cross braced on the back side with 1x4's
11:44 AM Tom_L: mostly just to get rid of dead branches
01:00 PM _unreal_: just got my laser safety glass sheet in the mail
01:17 PM bjorkintosh: <roycroft> plan 9 is a research os. they did deploy a form of it (inferno) commercially.
01:17 PM bjorkintosh: if things had gone well, for it we'd never have heard of java and he jvm.
01:20 PM bjorkintosh: http://inferno-os.org/
01:25 PM _unreal_: next I need to design a little mini hide away "filter" box for the air intake
02:00 PM internut: _unreal_ ?
02:01 PM _unreal_: ?
02:03 PM _unreal_: yes?
02:04 PM _unreal_: yes.....................sssssssssssss?
03:40 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hey guys
03:42 PM XXCoder: hey
03:45 PM internut_: hey
03:45 PM internut_: is _unreal_ around?
03:47 PM NoGodDamnIdea: bit early for him
03:53 PM internut_: I see
03:53 PM bjorkintosh: he was around.
03:59 PM internut_: I've been playing a bit with flatcam
03:59 PM internut_: I can crash it pretty reliably
05:03 PM bjorkintosh: oh fun. how?
05:23 PM internut: I'm trying to use the paint tool and I'm making selections it doesn't like
05:28 PM veegee: https://www.thedrive.com/news/39794/rv-driver-annihilates-their-new-jeep-wrangler-by-flat-towing-it-in-4-low
05:28 PM veegee: lol
05:30 PM bjorkintosh: they went over a bump in the road.
05:32 PM veegee: That's a very dumb mistake to make
05:33 PM veegee: How can you forget to take the car out of gear before towing it
05:33 PM veegee: And why would you have it in 4-low in the first place?
05:33 PM veegee: The guy doesn't know how to use his Jeep or tow, idiot got what he deserved
05:34 PM veegee: I've never had to put my Jeep in 4 low. It can get out of anything in 4-high just fine.
05:34 PM bjorkintosh: because, reasons.
05:35 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, ist eh weekend
05:35 PM _unreal_: I could be around or not at all
05:35 PM NoGodDamnIdea: ah
05:35 PM NoGodDamnIdea: makes sense i guess
05:36 PM _unreal_: 88x130mm. I'm working on creating a design to do a nice test burn on a wooden thing
06:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:15 PM internut_: I have definitely needed 4-Low
06:29 PM _unreal_: heading to the hardware store in a bit. going to go pick up some tubing for the laser etcher
06:29 PM _unreal_: to feed the air assist pump
06:29 PM _unreal_: :)
06:30 PM _unreal_: should be interesting. I have a 2.5L mini medical pump
06:30 PM _unreal_: rated for ? upto 20psi
06:30 PM _unreal_: I get that setup and it will be amazing
06:31 PM internut: hey there
06:32 PM _unreal_: oh crap I've been caught
06:32 PM internut: :)
06:32 PM internut: I'm actually trying to get a newer grbl running on my machine
06:34 PM _unreal_: ?
06:34 PM _unreal_: should be more or less a drop in
06:34 PM _unreal_: as far as firmware goes
06:34 PM internut: I'm getting timeouts from avrdude
06:35 PM _unreal_: what are you loading 1.1f onto
06:35 PM internut: I'm getting timeouts from avrdude
06:35 PM internut: oops
06:35 PM _unreal_: WHAT HARDWARE
06:35 PM internut: I bought a couple Sainsmart controllers
06:35 PM _unreal_: dont know what they are
06:35 PM _unreal_: are they more or less arduino? or something else
06:36 PM internut: yes, they're arduino like
06:36 PM internut: atmega328p
06:36 PM _unreal_: will the ARDUINO ide program them
06:36 PM _unreal_: or do you have a custom HEX file that has to be used to program them
06:36 PM internut: thus far, the one time I was able to load them was with a command line tool
06:37 PM _unreal_: what I'm asking is do they use the standard arduino 1.1f or do they use a custom built HEX
06:38 PM _unreal_: ?
06:38 PM internut_: sorry, I'll be a moment
06:38 PM _unreal_: I dont have a moment, I said a few moments ago I'm heading to the store LOL
06:38 PM internut_: do whatever you need to do
06:39 PM internut_: I didn't expect my phone to ring
06:39 PM _unreal_: but I did
06:39 PM _unreal_: o,O O,o
06:40 PM _unreal_: put it simple then I got to run. IF that controller uses the standard arduino 1.1f... then just load lasergrbl and it will auto load the firmware. if it has to use a custom built code. cant help ya
06:40 PM internut_: i was trying to install 1.1h
06:41 PM _unreal_: err h
06:41 PM internut_: built from source
06:41 PM _unreal_: are you trying to build it custom?
06:41 PM internut_: just the config / settings
06:41 PM _unreal_: or just make it work
06:41 PM _unreal_: so your trying to make it custom
06:46 PM XXCoder: cool :)
08:18 PM roycroft: hello, folks
08:18 PM roycroft: if anyone who welds is around, i'd appreciate some input
08:18 PM roycroft: i just tried stick welding with my everlast tig welder for the first time
08:19 PM roycroft: i'm welding 3/16" mild steel, beveled properly and nice and clean at the weld joints
08:19 PM roycroft: 'im using some 1/8" 7018 rod which i've had for a while, but was still sealed and always stored indoors, so probably pretty dry
08:20 PM roycroft: but when i weld with it i get a lot of sputtering, which i think reminds me of using wet rod
08:20 PM roycroft: i haven't stick welded in probably 20 years, though
08:20 PM roycroft: do i need to bake the rod, even though it was factory sealed and indoors its whole life?
08:20 PM roycroft: or is the sputtering perhaps something else
08:21 PM roycroft: by sputterin i mean i'll strike an arc, it will go fine for a couple seconds, then a big blob of flux will pop off and i'll lose the arc, and there will suddenly be spatter everywhere
08:21 PM roycroft: oh, and doing dcen at 110 amps
08:22 PM roycroft: it's still going better than if i used my baby mig welder, in spite of the sputtering
08:23 PM roycroft: and the bits that get welded are really nice and clean, and seem to have penetrated well
08:26 PM * roycroft is not at all discounting operator error as the problem
08:53 PM roycroft: so i had an inspiration, and instead of clamping the return line to the welding table, i cleaned the mill scale off a section of the part and clamped directly to that cleaned up area, and i got better, but still sub-optimal results
08:54 PM roycroft: i'm still not convinced that the rod is not the problem, but i'm also not convinced that it is
08:58 PM enleth: roycroft: you sure about electrode negative for 7018?
08:59 PM roycroft: the package for the rod said en
08:59 PM roycroft: i can try ep, and with sputtering that may actually make sense
09:00 PM roycroft: the current setup is almost cool enough to unclamp
09:00 PM roycroft: i'll try ep on the next go
09:00 PM enleth: internets say 701*8* can be used DCEN, but is likely to be more controllable with DCEP
09:00 PM roycroft: sometimes, but certainly not always, the internet knows more than the manufacturer
09:00 PM roycroft: it's an easy thing to try
09:01 PM enleth: I'm hardly a welder, but that means I check for this every single time I grab a rod
09:01 PM roycroft: i think i have the current set ok
09:01 PM roycroft: i'm getting a little burn-through on the corners, but that's to be expected
09:01 PM roycroft: and is way unlike my mini-mig welder, where i cannot get anything resembling good penetration on anything thicker than 3mm or so
09:02 PM roycroft: i'll go check to see if it's cool enough, and do the next setup with ep, and see how that goes
09:02 PM roycroft: i have arc force set right in the middle, btw
09:02 PM roycroft: and i'm getting nice, buttery welds
09:02 PM roycroft: i think that it's not an arc force problem
09:04 PM enleth: don't even tell me about shitty mig machines, I just threw an obscene amount of money at a new one just to start getting things done instead of fighting the old shitty mig that had wire feed consistency problems
09:05 PM enleth: I'm very happy with the new one, as long as I don't think about the price
09:06 PM Tom_L: i had spattering on my mig but i found out the gas tube wasn't seated all the way in the welder
09:07 PM Tom_L: if the shield is falling off the rods, maybe they're too old
09:07 PM enleth: the old one even sounded like the wah-wah-wah guitar effect sometimes when feeding and you could feel it's all over the place with feed rate when it did that
09:08 PM enleth: maybe the liner was shot or something, but with a 2-roller feeder, a fixed hose and torch and a transformer power source I ultimately decided that investing any sort of effort into fixing and improving it is a waste
09:10 PM Tom_L: enleth, what kind did you get?
09:10 PM Tom_L: i'm still learing on my mig as i only did stick prior to that
09:14 PM enleth: Tom_L: 200A inverter (120A at 100% duty cycle, IIRC, plenty good for what I need), with basic synergy mode and some pretty advanced pulsed modes for spray transfer welding of carbon steel, stainless and aluminum
09:14 PM enleth: haven't tested the latter yet, as I need argon-CO2 mix for this
09:14 PM enleth: I'll order it when I run the CO2 tank down completely
09:14 PM Tom_L: i've been using a tri mix
09:15 PM enleth: the manufacturer recommends 80% Ar/20% CO2 for this model, so that's what I'll be getting
09:15 PM Tom_L: i tried aluminum but gave up due to the spatter. i didn't know at the time the gas line wasn't seated right
09:15 PM enleth: the pulsed modes are synergic by default and they assume that specific mix
09:15 PM Tom_L: what brand?
09:16 PM Tom_L: mine is small but a 220v model
09:16 PM enleth: local one, I don't think it's marketed anywhere outside of Poland, it's made in China but with local QC and final assembly
09:16 PM Tom_L: i see
09:16 PM enleth: a welder friend recommended it to me and I trust his judgement
09:17 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Miller.jpg
09:17 PM enleth: I haven't ever used a *really* high quality welding machine, like a fully Swedish-made modern ESAB, but I imagine this one is closer to that than to the cheap stuff
09:18 PM Tom_L: the most welding i've done with it is the mill i built
09:18 PM Tom_L: well i did help a friend with his trailer
09:18 PM XXCoder: tom hows that mill so far?
09:18 PM XXCoder: still making parts?
09:18 PM Tom_L: yeah but it's been sitting a while now
09:18 PM Tom_L: i was gone for a bit
09:19 PM Tom_L: i should come up with another project for it i suppose
09:20 PM roycroft: my machine is an everlast
09:20 PM roycroft: it's actually one of the better inverter welders
09:20 PM roycroft: anyway
09:20 PM Tom_L: are those made by hobart?
09:20 PM roycroft: things are still not as i'd like, but ep is much better than en
09:20 PM roycroft: no
09:20 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure
09:21 PM roycroft: the stick holder is a big part of the problem - i hate it
09:21 PM Tom_L: i wonder if the rods are old and got moisture in them
09:21 PM roycroft: it's not a clamping one
09:21 PM Tom_L: kinda what it sounds like
09:21 PM roycroft: it is one where you wedge the rod into it and it's supposed to hold it
09:21 PM roycroft: but it doesn't hold it very well
09:21 PM Tom_L: could be an issue
09:22 PM roycroft: the rods are about 2 years old, but were still factory sealed, and have been in my office the whole time since i bought them
09:22 PM roycroft: my office being the warmest and most dry room in my house, which is why i stored them there
09:22 PM roycroft: but yes, the behavior is like moist rods
09:23 PM roycroft: the rod will fall out once in a while, and it's blackened on the rod holder end
09:23 PM Tom_L: i tried flux core wire on my mig once and i hated it
09:23 PM roycroft: so i think that the rod holder is definitely part of the problem
09:23 PM roycroft: when i bought my baby mig welder i did not get the gas kit for it
09:23 PM roycroft: i tried flux core
09:23 PM roycroft: i bought the gas kit the next week
09:23 PM Tom_L: you reverse polarity on flux core
09:24 PM roycroft: i'm sure i did
09:24 PM roycroft: that was 20+ years ago
09:24 PM roycroft: but i would have read the instructions and done what lincoln electric told me to do
09:24 PM roycroft: btw, i triple checked my rod packaging
09:24 PM roycroft: and it definitely says dcen
09:24 PM roycroft: but dcep does work a lot better
09:25 PM roycroft: so i'll go with what is working for me
09:25 PM roycroft: in spite of the hiccups, i'm happier with stick welding this than i would have been with the mig welder
09:26 PM roycroft: and the next operation, which i may get to tomorrow, will be welding some 3/8" plate to this frame i'm making today
09:26 PM roycroft: i'm sure i'll be 100x happier stick welding on that than mig welding it
09:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/test_bead2.jpg
09:27 PM Tom_L: that was after i fixed the gas tube
09:27 PM roycroft: that's not a bad weld bead
09:28 PM roycroft: the real saving grace for me with this project is that i'll be painting it with hammerite when it's done
09:28 PM roycroft: all the welds will disappear
09:28 PM roycroft: plus, it's just a mobile base, so it will be down at floor level
09:28 PM Tom_L: i'm not a pro and don't care how 'pretty' they are if they have good penetration and hold
09:28 PM roycroft: if anyone really wants to get down on their stomach and inspect my welds that's on them
09:28 PM XXCoder: grinder and paint makes you pro welder
09:28 PM roycroft: i'm not proud
09:29 PM roycroft: i'm not a pro welder either
09:29 PM XXCoder: no no you can be pro too. need a go0od grinder and paint
09:29 PM roycroft: and for most things, i want the same things - good penetration and strength
09:29 PM roycroft: i'm a good grinder and a good painter
09:29 PM roycroft: and when i need pretty welds i hire someone to do them
09:29 PM XXCoder: :)
09:30 PM roycroft: i have a guy who welds brew systems
09:30 PM roycroft: whenever i need a really clean sanitary weld i go to him
09:30 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Z_Column1.jpg
09:30 PM roycroft: he's one of the best welders i've ever known
09:30 PM Tom_L: most of those are "ok"
09:30 PM roycroft: i had him repair the broken lift gear on my drum sander last summer
09:31 PM roycroft: the part was made with something not much better than pot metal
09:31 PM roycroft: yet he managed to do a really clean, strong weld anyway
09:31 PM roycroft: that's about how good my welds are, tom_l
09:31 PM roycroft: and i'm fine with them
09:31 PM Tom_L: same here
09:32 PM Tom_L: i don't get near enough practice
09:32 PM roycroft: if i wanted to weld better, i'd take more welding classes and spend a few dozen hours practicing
09:32 PM roycroft: but my welds are strong enough
09:32 PM Tom_L: i practice when i need something fixed
09:32 PM roycroft: me too
09:32 PM roycroft: or when i need to make something
09:33 PM roycroft: but if i wanted to be a good welder i'd just get a truckload of scrap, and spend a few days welding on it non-stop
09:33 PM roycroft: i'm fine with being a "get by" welder though
09:33 PM roycroft: anyway, time for the next go
09:57 PM roycroft: well, when i figured out that the rod holder is actually a proper clamp, and that i untwist the head to loosen it, insert the rod, and tighten it back up and it holds very firmly, things improved significantly
09:58 PM roycroft: so operator error was the biggest part of the problem, indeed
09:58 PM roycroft: however, ep still works better than en
09:59 PM roycroft: the frame is weld up now - the caster pads i need to drill and tap befoe welding onto the frame and it's past dinner time so that's a maybe tomorrow thing
09:59 PM roycroft: or maybe monday, depending on how long i'm at work tomorrow
10:00 PM roycroft: i get my first jab in the morning at 10am, so i really can't start work until about noon, and i anticipate about 6 hours at work
10:02 PM enleth: roycroft: you know the primary rule of welding: do your best, paint the rest
10:03 PM internut: My primary rule of welding is: You buy a welder and a grinder, the better you get with the former, the less you need the latter.
10:15 PM {HD}: anyone know where to get cheap machinist jacks? I checked a few places but china must call them something different that I haven't found the name of yet.
10:19 PM Tom_L: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001456010134.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.734d533amQJprA&algo_pvid=675c010c-bd61-4883-9eca-0d0a22297bdc&algo_expid=675c010c-bd61-4883-9eca-0d0a22297bdc-0&btsid=0b0a555b16169007913117674ed326&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
10:19 PM Tom_L: mine is starrett though
10:20 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Machinist-jacks-set-of-four-made-from-304-stainless-in-USA-12-pcs-total/353225521330?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item523de1b8b2:g:B~YAAOSw2SVfedoZ&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkWpEuxXwAiCNKyBQsQ5%252Fe61diLoquW6oKt9PbmqXSo8X2QSImeT353X%252BZT2%252F5fDQZ5OqI6qmR6zN9l1MrMFUum3hD6ZCAlTxn1nPJiOCkVeoxeAU5N%252BzLsN36FhTH%252FNo391fpS7FKVSpmLRF7yBX7oWKg%252Fi5bIoBdRGLz8DjICrDeOznOKC7l9lw
10:20 PM Tom_L: HfFE61ybACdPASe4YEEGlz2gSxMLnrOt4aK3fWglIBU7fLERBWxLxcA%252F4jt4YqTYI%252FHv0C03ej2lT3yk9je1d6AERDYVarEDMOXBbN%252BsZMIV%252FhBLKopCV5EuBafa11KwEy62GTCD8X8qt3aS8rCnMe3BhfPCFguR8WV9fomd8JpwUcAyqUEYp5grtzGE7viG%252FI80Al%252B4%252FjkU0VMgVXPUwSaQJ1eW7RlGssAe8WPrYNwmP2K8iBnpNYQKyBdc%252FFOzKIoQ62fLFdi8tEYRS2uFcZu8yRGtAt03gJMgnXHwP1GLgwQX2h3ceK9xTWDYvGx6LWDMScDs6OTUp1YduBQ%252Fv9lKCbA0S81SMHLwvO0Y%252BQ%252BMavzbkyB1jT88XTsyU%252F9SLTqo6bQQUIY6RZPv
10:20 PM Tom_L: pgeA7UbarFvEYVPFGAjNLSyaZoWbGMoWrc4ZhQgUaqyMj%252FtwnOz2%252B2oxCSpHtYBLHxceJcgGpwHuVhWqUlNrUsjuIo9sHpgLE1BGhkPFCm3Pvdge0xSkZq4jTUHSbmA67Hp3NL4pkgYhaqSIO4HIqW3pUL23k4Sx24WJsqwNggdei4MSde%252FWkbL3hZaiI2ioXhS6iuzfXYZMpvw%253D%253D%7Ccksum%3A353225521330f08878b2c1594811bd1093e40febabcb%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524
10:20 PM {HD}: WOW
10:20 PM Tom_L: that was a bit much
10:21 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Machinist-jacks-set-of-four-made-from-304-stainless-in-USA-12-pcs-total/353225521330
10:21 PM {HD}: so that listing counts the nut and bolt as a "pcs"
10:21 PM XXCoder: link bomb
10:21 PM Tom_L: those look like crap
10:22 PM Tom_L: the head should swivel
10:22 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:22 PM {HD}: I made my own nut and bolt screw jacks but I want something between NICE and crap
10:23 PM {HD}: that MSM link doesn't have a swivel head but at least its smooth with actuall screw jack threading
10:23 PM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/Starrett-190A-Little-Without-Attachments/dp/B0006J4DH6/ref=pd_lpo_328_t_1/135-6326540-4776132
10:23 PM Tom_L: mine came with 2 risers
10:24 PM {HD}: if that was just a tad shorter it would be worth it. I need min 50mm
10:26 PM Tom_L: make one
10:28 PM {HD}: Yea I made some nut bolt ones but everytime I grab them I hate it.
10:29 PM {HD}: I don't have access to a lathe because $world but maybe I could 3d print something and do some lost PLA casting...that could be neat.
10:30 PM Tom_L: may not have much holding power
10:30 PM Tom_L: oh, if you cast one maybe
10:31 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1-2-to-2-1-4-Jack-Screw-7-Pc-Little-Giant-Style-1-Diameter-Milling-Support/183861494253
10:32 PM Tom_L: is that short enough?
10:32 PM Tom_L: ~38mm ?
10:33 PM Tom_L: look like starett clones
10:37 PM Tom_L: https://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/S191
10:37 PM Tom_L: there's the real version
10:39 PM {HD}: 50-70 would be the best but it looks like you can buy an extension base separately
10:40 PM Tom_L: if they're both 1" diameter get both height sets and you'll have multiple choices
10:41 PM {HD}: Tom_L: yea its "Little Giant Style" haha
10:42 PM Tom_L: chinese quality with starrett look
11:02 PM {HD}: diff base diameters 🤦♂️
11:05 PM {HD}: oh but the 191a with an extra base would be perfect.
11:25 PM roycroft: real machinists make their own jack screws, you know :P
11:26 PM roycroft: except abom, who is a real machinist, but doesn't make his own
11:27 PM roycroft: he mentions on his youtube channel that jack screws are nice and viewers send some to him
11:30 PM roycroft: the moral is: don't buy good stuff - become really popular and people will send you good stuff for free
11:32 PM veegee: What's the best kind of "cloth" that would be good for polishing stainless steel multimeter probe tips?
11:32 PM veegee: It feels like some of them have a fine dull oxide layer on them
11:32 PM veegee: Sandpaper would be way too coarse
11:32 PM roycroft: a white scotch-brige?
11:32 PM roycroft: brite
11:33 PM veegee: Oh didn't know they had different colours
11:33 PM roycroft: they sure do
11:33 PM roycroft: i use maroon, green, and white mostly
11:33 PM roycroft: and white are for polishing, especially stainless steel
11:34 PM roycroft: btw
11:34 PM roycroft: you're canadian
11:34 PM roycroft: so
11:34 PM roycroft: wtf is up with canada today?
11:34 PM roycroft: you seem to be turning into us
11:34 PM roycroft: and i'm not trying to be mean
11:35 PM veegee: What do you mean? What happened?
11:35 PM veegee: I don't really watch the news
11:35 PM roycroft: doctor in quebec arrested for murdering multiple patients in the hospital where works
11:35 PM roycroft: mass stabbing, with fatalities in a library in vancouver
11:36 PM roycroft: these are not stories i associate with canada
11:36 PM veegee: Yeah that's very rare for us
11:36 PM veegee: There are nutjobs in any country
11:37 PM roycroft: yes
11:37 PM roycroft: and i'm certainly not indicting all of canada based on that
11:37 PM roycroft: but it's just so odd for your country
11:37 PM veegee: Indeed
11:37 PM veegee: imagine if they had guns
11:38 PM roycroft: if they had guns there would not be those killings in a library
11:38 PM roycroft: guns are way too noisy for a library
11:38 PM veegee: These probes are overpriced for sure, but no one else is making stainless steel tips. And that rigidness runs throughout the body of the probe so really appreciate that: https://www.amazon.ca/Fluke-TP1-Slim-Reach-Stainless-Voltage/dp/B000LDE9C6
11:39 PM {HD}: What that has to be too soon right?
11:39 PM roycroft: nobody wants to be ssshed while in the middle of a killing spree
11:39 PM veegee: Well when I get to that point in my life, I'm very good with throwing knives, bows, and crossbows
11:39 PM roycroft: i would try a white scotch-brite pat
11:39 PM veegee: I mean not good with throwing the bow
11:39 PM roycroft: pad
11:39 PM roycroft: i really wood
11:40 PM veegee: Yeah I'm ordering some right now
11:40 PM roycroft: i think you'll be pleased
11:40 PM roycroft: it got up to 20 degrees here today
11:41 PM veegee: And it's not just about "being popular". People send them stuff because they selflessly share information. Much like you guys. I cannot express in words how much I appreciate that. I would send you guys stuff too if you shared mailing addresses.
11:41 PM veegee: When I was dead broke in university and trying to learn electrical engineering on my own, the guys on the PICLIST (MIT mailing list for microcontrollers) sent me things like oscilloscopes for free
11:42 PM veegee: I wouldn't be where I am without the kindness of people like you guys
11:42 PM roycroft: i was primarily making fun of abom and his ilk
11:42 PM roycroft: and i like abom
11:43 PM veegee: Yeah I like him too, as well as Old Tony, the guy from Applied Science, and a few more from chemistry and physics related stuff
11:43 PM roycroft: but he starts almost every saturday night special showing off what viewers send him
11:43 PM roycroft: do you watch tom lipton's channel?
11:43 PM roycroft: oxtoolco