#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 18 2021

12:07 AM Bleeptech: XXCoder: The old box is water damaged and freakin huge compared to what it needs to be. It is also thin steel and I'm afraid I'd badly dent it in under a month.
12:13 AM XXCoder: no no what I meant, why not use new box on proper installation
12:13 AM XXCoder: vs just swapping boards
12:15 AM XXCoder: cool :)
01:17 AM captain_morgan6 is now known as captain_morgan
01:39 AM mrec: rip my 2mm drill we had a good time for 30 seconds.
01:39 AM CaptHindsight: Bleeptech: " It'd be great if somebody would hack together a driver to use the old IOMega USB<>DB25 parport SCSI adapters"
01:40 AM CaptHindsight: Bleeptech: USB doesn't support real time
01:41 AM CaptHindsight: LCNC crunches the numbers in the PC's CPU, it is not external like some other systems that just use the PC as a GUI
01:41 AM CaptHindsight: Bleeptech: you can however use a PCIe --> LPT card for $10
01:41 AM CaptHindsight: if you just need open loop stepping
01:42 AM XXCoder: capt his machine is rather heavy duty cnc router
01:45 AM CaptHindsight: Bleeptech: is 40,000 with RTAI or preempt_rt? Is all power management off in BIOS as well as virtualisation, speed stepping etc etc??
01:48 AM CaptHindsight: Bleeptech: you are free to port other FPGA cards to LCNC, all the source is available
01:49 AM CaptHindsight: $200 off the shelf and an hour or two of configs vs $50 FPGA card and >$2k of your time, you decide
01:50 AM CaptHindsight: plus the $50 FPGA card will likely need some buffers and IO connectors
01:51 AM CaptHindsight: the two posted will need level translation and some isolation as well
01:57 AM sensille: i should get one, too. it's really a decent price
02:11 AM Bleeptech: CaptHindsight: Actually the thought I had while digging through the shelves for a PC rodent I had the rather hare-brained idea of something along the lines of an IDE or SCSI with a custom breakout to leverage being right on the PCI/PCI-E bus with full DMA.
02:12 AM CaptHindsight: Bleeptech: not much data is sent, it's all about pulses and when
02:13 AM CaptHindsight: steps need to be on time
02:14 AM Bleeptech: That was my idea. You could do it all via PATA with an RTOS and dedicate a single core mini ITX board to it.
02:14 AM CaptHindsight: similar for closed loop or it will oscillate all over the place vs stay in the place it should be
02:15 AM CaptHindsight: but this is LCNC, reinventing the wheel is in some other channel
02:15 AM Bleeptech: CaptHindsight: Yeah, closed loop is fun... Woops! Feedbacks too high. ZING. LOL
02:16 AM Bleeptech: Yeah, I know. They're still trying to decide what color to paint it. ;D
02:16 AM CaptHindsight: Bleeptech: I'm heading off in a minute, did you have everything that should off in BIOS off for the 40,000??
02:16 AM CaptHindsight: and RTAI or preempt_rt?
02:17 AM Bleeptech: CaptHindsight: Yeah, I turned of floppy, ACPI, serial ports, all of it.
02:17 AM Bleeptech: This is from the base live after installing to an airgapped machine.
02:18 AM CaptHindsight: you could try RTAI and see if it is better
02:18 AM CaptHindsight: which CPU is this?
02:20 AM Bleeptech: Old AMD64 in an Asus something board 2.8gHz, 800FSB .
02:20 AM CaptHindsight: might be better with RTAI
02:20 AM CaptHindsight: you'll find it in the package manager
02:22 AM Bleeptech: Crap. That means I need to drag it closer to the WiFi or find a 100' Cat-5 cable. LOL
02:23 AM Bleeptech: And I was wrong. It's 1.8gHz.
02:23 AM * Bleeptech did an lscpu
02:24 AM sensille: Bleeptech: the colorlight board looks interesting as a data acquisition board, if it really has GbE. i should get one
02:26 AM Bleeptech: sensille: You'll have to lift the DIR pin on the 74245s and tie them to an I/O pin as it's strapped to VCC on those boards to lock them as outputs.
02:27 AM sensille: ah right, they have drivers in between. are the schematics available?
02:28 AM Bleeptech: sensille: My thought had been to split them 50/50 and run half as inputs.
02:29 AM veegee: brown paper bags make the best writing paper
02:29 AM veegee: for fountain pens anyway
02:29 AM veegee: next best thing is the HP premium or Rhodia paper. Regular printer paper feathers horribly
02:30 AM sensille: Bleeptech: are you okay to take that conversation to a query?
02:30 AM veegee: and I only use fountain pens or technical pens
02:30 AM Bleeptech: sensille: All the chip pinouts are and I think they've traced out a board. Actually it looks like the RV901T board has bidirectionals. https://github.com/q3k/chubby75
02:31 AM Bleeptech: sensille: Yeah, but I'm about to go crash as it's after 01:00 here.
02:32 AM Deejay: moin
02:33 AM veegee: Bleeptech weak
02:33 AM veegee: It's 3:30 am here
02:36 AM mrec: M61 feels like scam
02:38 AM Bleeptech: veegee: I've go to be up in 6 hours to drive 100 miles and then deal with Albuquerque which is somewhere between getting racked in the balls and kidney stones on my list of things to avoid.
02:38 AM veegee: Bleeptech I know I'm just being stupid
02:39 AM Bleeptech: Of course if I was a masochist I could have the time of my life with the same list. LOL
02:47 AM veegee: So I have a hot water pressure washer and that 6,000 lb vertical mill I bought for next to nothing needs a rebuild and a very thorough cleaning
02:47 AM veegee: My only concern is rust
02:47 AM veegee: But the only practical way to clean a monster like that is with a hot water pressure washer
02:47 AM Bleeptech: veegee: 140F water and TSP.
02:47 AM veegee: how can I dry it as soon as I clean it?
02:48 AM veegee: trisodium phosphate? seriously?
02:48 AM veegee: that etches metal dude
02:48 AM veegee: no way in hell am I letting TSP anywhere near metal, especially precision machine tool slideways
02:48 AM veegee: soap and water is more than enough
02:48 AM veegee: even water is more than enough to dislodge all the grease and metal chips
02:49 AM veegee: But I need a way to dry it so it doesn't sit there rusting.
02:49 AM veegee: Perhaps I could point a huge propane heater at it?
02:49 AM Bleeptech: ve7it: Seriously. It'll peel off old Navy surplus paint if you drop the parts in a 5g bucket of 140F water with a cup of TSP and leave them overnight. Pull them out and they're ready for a repaint.
02:50 AM veegee: this is a 6,000 lb vertical mill
02:50 AM veegee: there's no bucket that will hold this thing
02:51 AM veegee: I'll probably disassemble the table and saddle on the sliding surfaces
02:52 AM Bleeptech: That's why the pressure washer is your best bet. Crank your water heater up to HOT and re-lube everything with a light oil before you try to move anything if you go the TSP route.
02:52 AM XXCoder: or buy $500,000 laser too remove paint and rust
02:53 AM veegee: for the last time, TSP SHOULD NOT BE USED ON METAL
02:54 AM veegee: I don't need a degreaser
02:54 AM veegee: dish soap is the strongest I'd need
02:54 AM veegee: I need the hot water and the pressure to dislodge chips stuck in crevices and stuff like that
02:54 AM veegee: and eject old grease
02:55 AM veegee: that's most effectively removed by physical means like hot water at high pressure as opposed to solvents
02:56 AM veegee: A fuel-powered forced air heater is the way to go I think
02:56 AM veegee: and lots of air from my air compressor which has a good air dryer attached to it
02:57 AM Bleeptech: veegee: OK, OK. I'm usually on the rebuilding stuff from salvage end so degreasing is something I need to do from time to time. Along with the ability to recognise the various rad, biohazard and chem warning stickers so I know what not to take home from the scrapyard. LOL
02:58 AM veegee: This is a working machine tool that's just dirty
02:58 AM veegee: Kerosene is a far better degreaser in every way
02:58 AM veegee: Gasolene too if you do it outside
02:58 AM veegee: brake cleaner is best but expensive
02:58 AM Bleeptech: veegee: Grab a chip brush and get busy you slacker. ;D
02:59 AM veegee: I have 100L of kerosene stored here just for cleaning
02:59 AM veegee: not even for use as fuel
02:59 AM gloops: jetwash
02:59 AM Bleeptech: Got a box of matches for quick drying as well ? >:)
03:00 AM veegee: Now I'm deciding between a kerosene and propane forced air heater
03:00 AM veegee: I have lots of both fuels, not sure which is cheaper to run
03:01 AM veegee: I can put diesel in the kerosene units I guess, but it'll clog them up I think
03:01 AM veegee: and the kerosene pump station is an annoying drive away, but propane can be had anywhere
03:02 AM Bleeptech: As much fun as this is I need to go fall over so I can go pick up a pile of parts tomorrow and hopefully a PCI or PCI-E parallel port card.
03:03 AM Bleeptech: veegee: Got an airport close? Check with the fuelers and see what they do with their contaminated JP-4/6. Most times they sell it cheap as parts cleaner.
03:04 AM Bleeptech: G'nite all.
03:04 AM veegee: not that close but thanks for the tip
03:14 AM gloops: so i need a 4 ribbed belt, 720mm x 10mm wide
03:15 AM gloops: not seeing em
03:20 AM gloops: so v-ribbed belts are sold on the pitch..makes sense
03:30 AM NoGodDamnIdea: _unreal_ you are not here by any chance right?
05:03 AM sensille: wow, why are there so many different mesa cards
05:05 AM sensille: i assume 100M ethernet is enough for everything?
05:15 AM htasta: yes easily
05:26 AM JT-Cave: morning
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06:49 AM gregcnc: oops https://youtu.be/P2d3NXp4lDk
06:51 AM JT-Cave: that ain't looking too good
07:59 AM _methods: that was that guy who was towing his jeep in 4L
07:59 AM _methods: lol
07:59 AM _methods: oops
08:00 AM _methods: $32k in damages hehehe
10:09 AM unterhaus: told client he needed to get some work done at a machine shop and he had them to about 1/10 of the work and wants me to do the rest
10:10 AM gregcnc: obviously you charge less than the shop
10:11 AM gloops: get a quote from the machine shop for the work he wants you to do
10:30 AM roycroft: well this is interesting
10:31 AM roycroft: ups wanted to come over this morning to deliver my jointer
10:31 AM roycroft: i'm not ready to take delivery yet
10:31 AM roycroft: but that is irrelevant
10:31 AM roycroft: i told them i live on a dead-end street that has a turnaround for a small truck but they said they do not have any small trucks avaliable to deliver it
10:32 AM roycroft: so i said i could come pick it up at the depot, which i anticipated needing to do
10:32 AM roycroft: they told me i cannot pick it up due to covid-19 restrictions
10:32 AM roycroft: so now they're trying to sort out how to get it delivered
10:32 AM roycroft: i wonder if they'll end up hauling it back to grizzly
10:33 AM gregcnc: they will rent something with a lift gate
10:33 AM roycroft: i paid for lift gate service
10:33 AM gregcnc: right
10:33 AM roycroft: but according to them, all they have are long trailers
10:33 AM roycroft: and they will not deliver on a dead-end street
10:34 AM gregcnc: they will just rent a small straight truck
10:34 AM roycroft: hopefully they'll sort it out
10:34 AM roycroft: i've had freight deliveries here before
10:43 AM roycroft: there are also a lot of dead-end streets in eugene
10:43 AM roycroft: this is certainly not the first time ups freight have had to deal with this problem
10:45 AM roycroft: i could drive two blocks to a through street and have them unload it onto my pickup there, but they probably won't go for that
11:05 AM rs[m]: that could be problematic from a liability/fraud point of view
11:06 AM roycroft: yes
11:07 AM roycroft: and i would understand that
11:07 AM roycroft: i really don't care what the mechanism is in the end
11:07 AM roycroft: even if it goes back to grizzly and they dispatch it again with a different carrier
11:08 AM rs[m]: don't care as long as it works ;-)
11:08 AM roycroft: that would give me more time to prepare for it anyway - i was expecting it to arrive in 7-10 days, as it usually does
11:08 AM roycroft: i did not expect it to show up the day after i ordered it
11:50 AM JT-Cave: I usually meet the truck at the highway with my trailer and unload in a parking lot
11:51 AM roycroft: well this situation is actually good for me
11:51 AM roycroft: as i said
11:51 AM roycroft: they can take their time sorting it out, while i prepare the space in my shop
11:52 AM roycroft: i'd rather it not take too much longer though - i am ready to start building some bookcases and the wider jointer would be nice for that
11:52 AM roycroft: plus, my shop will be unusable while i'm setting up the new jointer
11:53 AM roycroft: i'm going to try out a new mobile base design on this jointer
11:53 AM roycroft: instead of building a frame out of tubing as i normally do, and welding mounting plates for the casters on the frame, i'm going to keep it really simple
11:54 AM roycroft: i'll just get some 3/8"x4" hot rolled flat bar, cut a piece for each end that sticks out on the sides the width of a caster, mount the casters on the flat bar, and mount the flat bar to the underside of the stand
11:54 AM roycroft: that should go a lot faster than the frame-based one, and requires no welding
11:55 AM roycroft: i think it will work out nicely
11:55 AM roycroft: i also got 4" casters for this machine - i normally use 3", but figured that as heavy as it is, the larger ones might work better
12:12 PM JT-Cave: sounds like the rain is letting up for a bit time to get some work done
12:13 PM roycroft: it it supposed to rain here today, but the sun is out for now
12:14 PM roycroft: i'm pretty sure the rain will hold off until 10 minutes before my freight delivery arrives, whenever that may be
12:14 PM roycroft: because that's how the world has always worked, and i see no sign of change
12:16 PM unterhaus_: aliexpress somehow decided I was german
12:17 PM gregcnc: username checks out
12:19 PM sensille: unterhaus_: thanks to aliexpress my knowledge of various foreign languages has vastly improved
12:39 PM _Getty is now known as Getty
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03:30 PM JT-Shop: yippee just got the very last thing I need for the spoke lathe conversion... now if the rest would show up I could finish it
03:37 PM Eric__: tp link says I need to get to a second level tech at comcast to figure out what is wrong with my modem
03:37 PM Eric__: thinking about just buying another modem
04:09 PM perry_j1987: hows it going
04:38 PM roycroft: no vaccine eligibity this week :(
04:38 PM roycroft: next week for sure though!
04:39 PM roycroft: seriously - the county have repeatedly promised that i'll be eligible by the 29th at the latest
04:39 PM roycroft: and they're still saying that
04:39 PM roycroft: i'm in the next group
04:45 PM JT-Shop: can you hold your breath that long?
04:46 PM roycroft: i'm feeling good that the date is finally nigh
04:46 PM roycroft: also, we're moving out of our data center, and have until the end of the month to do so
04:46 PM roycroft: my boss and i have been working on a local collocation arrangement for our mail servers, and it's been taking a long time
04:47 PM roycroft: such that i've been pretty stressed about it - i cannot build the new mail servers until i know where they are going to live, and i've been watching the clock run out
04:47 PM roycroft: i found out 10 minutes ago that we'll be able to get local collocation
04:47 PM roycroft: and i'll go install the servers tomorrow, which will give me just enough time to make the transition
04:47 PM roycroft: so that's also looking good
04:48 PM roycroft: meanwhile, ups freight are still being buttheads about my jointer, but i'm fine with that, as that means i don't have to scramble to accomodate delivery
04:48 PM roycroft: in my latest round with them i was told that i should not order things with freight delivery if i don't have a place to have them delivered
04:48 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:49 PM roycroft: i'm letting grizzly handle it
04:49 PM roycroft: and they've been sympathetic
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I had a delivery driver say he can't get up my driveway and I said all the other drivers could...
04:49 PM roycroft: and somewhat astonished at the problem
04:50 PM perry_j1987: my life got imensely better when i stopped running mail servers heh
04:50 PM roycroft: i don't mind operating the mail servers
04:50 PM JT-Shop: seems simple to just meet the truck someplace and get the box
04:50 PM roycroft: but homeless mail servers can't just go pitch a tent and live under the freeway
04:50 PM roycroft: they have to have a home or they can't function at all
04:50 PM JT-Shop: no electricity?
04:50 PM perry_j1987: outsourced mail is stress releaving
04:51 PM roycroft: well i don't have a trailer
04:51 PM roycroft: they would have to deliver it onto the back of my pickup or into my van
04:51 PM roycroft: and they don't like that idea
04:51 PM JT-Shop: well I just resolved a design error that left no room for fasteners...
04:51 PM roycroft: super glue does not take up much space
04:51 PM JT-Shop: they are just being butt heads now
04:52 PM roycroft: they want to back their truck up to a dock, roll the pallets to the back of the truck, and wait for the fork lift to remove them
04:52 PM JT-Shop: I changed the tubes from 1.5 x 1.5 to 1.0 x 1.5 and just have to make the parts over again
04:52 PM JT-Shop: I thought they had lift gate?
04:52 PM roycroft: they don't want to transfer them to a diffeent truck
04:53 PM roycroft: that's the thing i'm trying to tell them
04:53 PM roycroft: the order clearly says lift gate service
04:53 PM roycroft: the truck that hauled it down from bellingham does not have a lift gate, i guarantee
04:53 PM roycroft: they already transferred it off of that truck
04:53 PM roycroft: they just put it on the wrong truck and don't want to move it again
04:54 PM roycroft: they have small trucks with lift gates, and they deliver stuff to dead end streets and other residential areas all the time
04:54 PM roycroft: they just don't want to do it this time
04:55 PM roycroft: i've had several items delivered on small trucks with lift gates over the years
04:55 PM roycroft: i had no reason to believe that would be an issue this time until it was
04:55 PM unterhaus_: any recommendations for a $100 wifi router?
04:56 PM roycroft: i also had no reason to believe i would not be allowed to pick it up at the depot this time, as i've done so multiple times in the past (not wanting to pay the extra $75 for lift gate service)
04:56 PM roycroft: i have a linksys something that i like
04:56 PM roycroft: it cost about $120
04:56 PM roycroft: i can look up the model
04:56 PM roycroft: i've had it for a couple years and it has worked flawlessly
04:57 PM roycroft: wrt54g2
04:58 PM roycroft: it does some stupidly fast wifi speed
04:59 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hey yall
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04:59 PM NoGodDamnIdea: _unreal_, halp D:
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05:03 PM roycroft: wow
05:03 PM roycroft: that router is $129 on amazon.com
05:04 PM roycroft: but if i sign into my amazon business account it is $69
05:04 PM roycroft: that's a heck of a difference
05:04 PM roycroft: usually business prices are 5%-30% lower than consumer prices
05:04 PM roycroft: not 50%
05:13 PM unterhaus_: I have not gotten a business account and I see it for $69
05:16 PM roycroft: interesting, as i was signed into my consumer account when i checked it and saw it at the $129 price
05:16 PM roycroft: then i switched accounts and it was $69
05:16 PM roycroft: amazon play games with prices a lot
05:17 PM infornography: account for what if you don't mind me asking?
05:18 PM infornography: is it fusion?
05:18 PM roycroft: for buying stuff
05:18 PM infornography: how are there different prices?
05:19 PM roycroft: well first of all, as i mentioned, they play games with prices
05:19 PM roycroft: if you visit from your regular browser and do a search you may get one price, and then if you use something like tor browser and come in from a random ip with no tracking history, you may get a different price on the same item
05:20 PM infornography: O_O
05:20 PM unterhaus_: I almost never use amazon's search
05:20 PM infornography: orly
05:20 PM unterhaus_: probably why I got the better pricwe
05:20 PM unterhaus_: amazon's search is how I got this crummy keyboard
05:21 PM roycroft: but aside from that, amazon have business acounts for companies who send them their business registration information, and many items, especially office supplies, industrial machinery/tools/supplies, and technology items, are steeply discounted for business accounts
05:21 PM roycroft: business accounts are free
05:21 PM roycroft: although you still get amazon prime coersion spam on them just like on the consumer accounts
05:22 PM roycroft: amazon are shooting themselves in their feet though
05:22 PM roycroft: for example, i ordered some items sunday evening
05:22 PM roycroft: i *never* pay for shipping
05:22 PM roycroft: i always use their "free super saver shipping"
05:22 PM roycroft: so i ordered sunday evening
05:22 PM roycroft: they were delivered tuesday morning with the free super saver shipping
05:23 PM roycroft: explain to me why i should pay for amazon prime to get 2 day shipping?
05:23 PM unterhaus_: probably a mistake
05:23 PM roycroft: actually, they've been shipping really fast ever since the pandemic started
05:23 PM roycroft: if the items are in stock
05:23 PM unterhaus_: I'm getting much worse shipping now
05:23 PM unterhaus_: and I pay for prime
05:23 PM roycroft: i suspect they're using the pandemic to get people used to buying as much as possible from amazon
05:24 PM roycroft: well they already have you hooked, so they don't care :)
05:24 PM roycroft: they're still trying to woo me
05:24 PM unterhaus_: maybe, people bother them about that sort of thing in normal times
05:24 PM roycroft: maybe if you drop prime your stuff would arrive faster?
05:24 PM unterhaus_: I never really cared too much and I watch the streaming
05:24 PM roycroft: i generally don't care about shipping times
05:25 PM roycroft: i usually have enough other things going on, and i plan well enough in advance for most things, that if it takes a couple weeks it's no big deal
05:25 PM roycroft: this new jointer, for example
05:25 PM unterhaus_: I used to try not to get stuff on Fridays so my wife wouldn't obsess over the packaging waste
05:25 PM roycroft: it usually takes 7-10 days for freight to arrive from grizzly
05:25 PM roycroft: but mine showed up in town the next day
05:25 PM roycroft: and other than the snafus with delivery on a dead end street, they wanted to deliver it tomorrow
05:26 PM roycroft: just two days after i ordered it
05:26 PM roycroft: most people would be really happy to get it that fast
05:26 PM roycroft: for me it's a hassle, because i'm not ready for it
05:26 PM roycroft: i planned in advance
05:26 PM unterhaus_: yeah, that's an issue
05:26 PM roycroft: monday would be a good day for it, though
05:27 PM unterhaus_: just happened to have a truck going your way
05:27 PM roycroft: i have to work this weekend, and i'm taking monday off as a comp day
05:27 PM unterhaus_: There used to be a grizzly warehouse an hour from here, no more
05:27 PM roycroft: in part it's because inventory is expensive
05:27 PM roycroft: so the faster a company can ship, the less time the product is on the books as inventory
05:28 PM roycroft: not only do they have the cost of the product tied up while it's in the warehouse, they have to pay property tax on inventory
05:28 PM roycroft: so turning things around really quickly is advantageous, although the instant they accept my order and payment, it's no longer inventory
05:28 PM roycroft: but at that point they are a storage company for my stuff
05:29 PM roycroft: and i'm not paying them for storage
05:29 PM unterhaus_: I wonder if it was at a port close to you
05:29 PM roycroft: wel li'm e
05:29 PM roycroft: well, i'm in eugene
05:29 PM roycroft: they are in bellingham
05:29 PM roycroft: it's a straight shot down i5
05:29 PM unterhaus_: I thought they were in the midwest
05:29 PM roycroft: their headquarters and original location is bellingham washington
05:29 PM unterhaus_: ever since they took the local place away I have been less interested in them
05:30 PM roycroft: they have an additional warehouse in springfield missouri, and one in pennsylvania
05:30 PM unterhaus_: pa is gone
05:30 PM roycroft: it is?
05:30 PM roycroft: well it didn't make that much sense to me to have one there anyway
05:30 PM unterhaus_: yup, just checked to make sure they weren't gaslighting me
05:30 PM roycroft: the one in springfield could serve the entire eastern usa easily
05:31 PM unterhaus_: that was new, they moved the pa warehouse to there
05:31 PM roycroft: but they opened in 1982, in a glorified storage unit a few blocks from my house
05:31 PM roycroft: i was one of their first customers
05:31 PM unterhaus_: maybe the northeast customer base dropped off
05:32 PM unterhaus_: Turns out PA is a pretty good place for a warehouse according to most retailers
05:32 PM unterhaus_: the access roads along I78 are just lined with them
05:34 PM roycroft: anyway, most of my stuff from grizzly comes out of bellingham
05:34 PM roycroft: it's a six hour drive from here
05:34 PM roycroft: springfield is a 3-4 day drive
05:35 PM JT-Shop: springfield is a 4 hour drive from here
05:35 PM roycroft: the jointer i bought is out of stock in springfield, and almost out of stock in bellingham, with no more due to arrive until next year
05:35 PM JT-Shop: that's a long lead time
05:36 PM roycroft: it seems half of their machines are out of stock until late summer or next year
05:36 PM roycroft: the pandemic has been a gold mine for woodworking suppliers
05:36 PM roycroft: with everyone staying home, they're all selling stuff at a record pace
05:37 PM roycroft: if woodcraft or rockler were publicly traded i'd have invested as much money as i could scrounge up in stock in those companies
05:37 PM JT-Shop: finally got all the lights working in the machine shop and the big shop... next up the garage
05:37 PM roycroft: nice
05:37 PM JT-Shop: oh crap I forgot about the carport
05:37 PM roycroft: lights are good to have :)
05:38 PM JT-Shop: gotta do that like the lean to
05:38 PM * roycroft should go spend some more time tidying up the fabrication shop
06:45 PM roycroft: blah
06:46 PM roycroft: i just looked at a couple videos about retractable air hose reels, and now youtube are bombarding me with gun ads again
06:47 PM roycroft: the last time the did this the gun ads lasted for months
07:02 PM roycroft: well, grizzly apparently had words with ups, and my shipment will be delivered on a small truck on monday
07:03 PM roycroft: and yes it will be raining on monday