#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 15 2021

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:23 AM XXCoder1: skunkworks: working on backlash i see
12:36 AM XXCoder1: roycroft: basically everything comes with heated beds now
12:36 AM XXCoder1: unless its utter crap one, and only few like that
12:36 AM XXCoder1: skunkworks: repeatabilioty seems good!
12:36 AM XXCoder1: what I would try is set it pointing, draw initial dot, then have it stop at high and low so you can draw dots there too
12:36 AM XXCoder1: then have it repeat many many many times
12:36 AM XXCoder1: see how well it stays on those dots
12:38 AM bjorkintosh: oh I see.
12:39 AM XXCoder1: normally id not buy it, its very expensiv
12:39 AM bjorkintosh: 800 bucks?
12:39 AM XXCoder1: plus mmu2 which is another 300
12:39 AM bjorkintosh: oh
12:39 AM XXCoder1: its top tier printer after all
12:40 AM XXCoder1: (for home stuff, not gold plated machines for businesses)
12:40 AM bjorkintosh: how precise are these machines?
12:41 AM XXCoder1: below milling on precision level, but pretty good
12:41 AM bjorkintosh: so 0.01 or 0.005?
12:42 AM XXCoder1: im not sure actually
12:42 AM XXCoder1: .01mm probably
12:43 AM XXCoder1: depends on lot of factors, .01mm assume very dialed in machine
12:43 AM bjorkintosh: that's really good!
12:43 AM bjorkintosh: you could make a shitty watch with that!
12:44 AM XXCoder1: lol
12:44 AM bjorkintosh: that's really quite good.
12:44 AM roycroft: you'll get better resolution with a resin tank machine
12:44 AM XXCoder1: my shitty machine could do .03mm
12:44 AM XXCoder1: (one i basically retired)
12:47 AM bjorkintosh: that's also quite good. just over .001
12:49 AM XXCoder1: heh well i used to work with .0005" tols
12:50 AM bjorkintosh: what were you making?
12:53 AM XXCoder1: lots different stuff, but usually boeing
12:53 AM bjorkintosh: oh. they need a few more zeros after the decimal point to keep things from falling.
12:54 AM XXCoder1: yep more holes in numbers to bolt it on with
12:54 AM XXCoder1: i mean, .0004" has THREE bolt holes
12:55 AM bjorkintosh: what kind of CNCs?
12:56 AM bjorkintosh: makino? mazak? okuma?
12:56 AM XXCoder1: yes
12:56 AM XXCoder1: also fadal, and some others
12:56 AM XXCoder1: haas
12:56 AM bjorkintosh: fadal? I thought they were defunct.
12:57 AM XXCoder1: company come back, but no i ran old one
01:04 AM bjorkintosh: holy hell, people are actually 3D printing clocks and watches.
01:04 AM bjorkintosh: is nothing sacred??
01:04 AM XXCoder1: yep! one of things I want to try is sheet 3d printing
01:04 AM XXCoder1: basically you start print, it stops and waits for you to clip cloth mesh on it
01:04 AM XXCoder1: then it prints more
01:05 AM bjorkintosh: what's the cloth for?
01:05 AM XXCoder1: ah you never saw that lemme show you a video
01:05 AM XXCoder1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjH5KGw3Psw
01:07 AM bjorkintosh: oh neat!
01:07 AM XXCoder1: yeah
01:09 AM XXCoder1: hex one gave me ideas
01:09 AM XXCoder1: foldable game map
01:09 AM bjorkintosh: ah!
01:09 AM XXCoder1: gaps have to be fairly loose
01:09 AM bjorkintosh: why not just print it out on vinyl?
01:10 AM XXCoder1: flexable sheet? guess so yeah but no rigidity to hold on stuff
01:11 AM XXCoder1: hexs you can have flat side and other one have indention for play peices
01:14 AM bjorkintosh: have you used any nylon filaments?
01:14 AM XXCoder1: mini cant do it, so not yet
01:14 AM XXCoder1: when I have fully sealed pathway system for prusa, I will try
01:14 AM bjorkintosh: ah. it has to be covered?
01:14 AM XXCoder1: you can do without it, but then you might have to dry it again
01:15 AM XXCoder1: by sealed pathway I mean reel holder to hotend, entirely sealed (besides brief expose at extruder)
01:22 AM XXCoder1: btw this is other kind of "farbic" https://youtu.be/Ut0yVIMisRU
01:25 AM bjorkintosh: chain mail.
01:25 AM XXCoder1: yeah
01:25 AM bjorkintosh: while I wasn't looking these expensive toys have become relatively affordably appliances.
01:26 AM XXCoder1: yeah one I linked to you used to be $230 so its fairly good deal even if you buy another brick power
01:26 AM bjorkintosh: the monoprice?
01:28 AM XXCoder1: yeah
01:29 AM XXCoder1: man that video printing sessons is insane
01:29 AM XXCoder1: 4 months
01:30 AM bjorkintosh: ??? it took THAT long? I thought he was exaggerating!
01:31 AM XXCoder1: it literally shows sundown to sunup, repeatively lol
01:31 AM XXCoder1: many many of em
01:31 AM bjorkintosh: yes I saw that.
01:36 AM XXCoder1: crazy. not something id do LOL
01:38 AM mrec: is anyone using the probe screen v2?
01:38 AM mrec: I wonder how to wire up parport pin 15 with that tool
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02:05 AM mrec: ok seems like I need to redefine some values it's doing something at least
03:09 AM mrec: ok is anyone using the probe screen v2? Now I think I see some oddities
03:10 AM mrec: the idea of that screen is good but some items aren't realistic .. eg sharing the configuration values with circles
03:10 AM mrec: plus the combined corner checks seem to be wrong
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03:45 AM Loetmichel: **heyhoo** That was a close one... slipped with a deburr tool and nearly sliced my wrist veins... MAN i should be a bit more careful!
03:45 AM XXCoder1: burr gods denied their blood tribiate
03:47 AM bjorkintosh: alright. an Ender 3D Pro is on its way.
03:49 AM mrec: I have an ender 3 plus .. there are a few issues and I had to replace the allegro stepper ICs with trinamic ICs to make it silent
03:49 AM mrec: also I have changed all the fans to make it silent
03:51 AM bjorkintosh: I already hit purchase!
03:51 AM bjorkintosh: dammit.
03:53 AM Loetmichel: this is what happens if you dont heed to your own teachings. "ALWAYS cut AWAY from your own body..." :)
03:54 AM sensille: be sure to designate someone to tell us how you finally managed to kill yourself :-/
03:54 AM Loetmichel: wont happen
03:54 AM Loetmichel: i might be a bit careless because of my good healing, but i am not sucidal
03:55 AM Loetmichel: "'tis but a scratch."
03:55 AM sensille: "just a flesh wound"
03:55 AM XXCoder1: bjork nice :)
03:57 AM bjorkintosh: yes. I haven't had a beer or any wine in 3 months or so. I'm instead investing in plastic.
03:57 AM bjorkintosh: I hope it's worth it.
03:57 AM bjorkintosh: had absolutely no use for it.
03:57 AM bjorkintosh: Zero.
03:57 AM bjorkintosh: hell, maybe I'll buy the laser engraver for it too.
04:01 AM mrec: it works reliably
04:01 AM mrec: I think the ender pro already comes with trinamic drivers (silent drivers)
04:02 AM mrec: they call it silent board ... basically their boards are all the same just the stepper driver ICs are different sometimes
04:17 AM NoGodDamnIdea: hey guys
04:17 AM NoGodDamnIdea: i thought of something
04:18 AM XXCoder1: bjorkintosh: i do recommand learning stuff like how to level bed and so on
04:18 AM NoGodDamnIdea: anyone here from europe with a plotter cutter or some sort of cutter that wants to help me cut a 15~mm circle from aluminum foil ( will be paying of course )
04:21 AM sensille: 15mm? can't you just punch it?
04:22 AM XXCoder1: laser can do it, though it'd have to be fairly powerful co2 one
05:11 AM NoGodDamnIdea: sensille, no, because i need a pattern on it
05:12 AM sensille: ah
05:13 AM NoGodDamnIdea: wanted to fix a cnc for it but just realized that I probably will take so much time for it and then to tune it, not even to mention I need a blade for it
05:13 AM NoGodDamnIdea: might as well pay someone to do it
05:13 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:16 AM sensille: and using a CNC with a fine-tipped engraving cutter?
05:26 AM NoGodDamnIdea: yes sensille , a rolland blade
06:37 AM Loetmichel: HEHE. Coworkers having fun... 2 of them were in the shop, refilling an cleaning alcohol bottle from the big canister... 3rd coworker walks in "He, as thought, the romanians are at the booze again!" Retort from the two: "Hey, as expected: as soon as they smell alcohol the pole comes running!" :)
07:07 AM sensille: nice product picture https://www.ebay.de/itm//384003427925
07:12 AM NoGodDamnIdea: are the last 2 broken?
07:13 AM htasta: a sign of good quality :D
07:15 AM sensille: a sign of honesty at least
07:15 AM sensille: unless they all arrive broken
09:26 AM rue_mohr: well, your just going to break them anyhow
09:32 AM rue_mohr: you know,
09:32 AM rue_mohr: looking at the other cut marks on there
09:32 AM rue_mohr: I think they recut those from other failed bits
09:33 AM rue_mohr: failed or dull
09:49 AM roycroft: it's a feature - if they are pre-failed you don't need to worry about breaking them
10:37 AM veegee: Wow I never realized how nicely cast iron machines
10:37 AM veegee: Super smooth
10:38 AM veegee: With a nice solid carbide endmill like a Niagara Cutter
10:57 AM roycroft: yes, it is a great metal to work with
10:57 AM roycroft: unless you drop it
10:57 AM roycroft: or try to weld it
11:26 AM kwork_ is now known as kwork
01:04 PM * JT-Shop scored today, found some regular shop lights at Menards and scooped up 8 so I can replace the crappy ones with the build in ballast
01:08 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: I forget that you have Menards as well. I find them better than Home depot for many things
01:13 PM JT-Shop: funny I didn't go in there to look for them but saw a really hot girl over by the lights and had to check that out lol
01:23 PM unterhaus: I got the cheapest leadshine stepper driver and it's a cute little thing
01:23 PM unterhaus: the motor it's going to drive is also quite small
01:23 PM roycroft: how are you liking tried & true varnish oil, jt-shop?
01:24 PM roycroft: do you have the patience for it?
01:25 PM JT-Shop: yes I like it... seems easy enough to apply then just walk away and do something else
01:26 PM roycroft: yes, that's exactly it
01:39 PM roycroft: ihttps://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/d/creswell-propane-blacksmith-forge/7291785000.html
01:39 PM roycroft: now that is what i'd call a redneck forge for an uptown price
01:39 PM roycroft: hint: if you build a machine on top of a shopping cart you can't charge $1k for it
01:46 PM CaptHindsight: 101 of 100 shopping carts are stolen
01:50 PM Jymmm: lol
01:52 PM gloops: id have changed the wheels, you can never steer those things
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: shopping carts tend to better outside the USA
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: don't you usually have the carts with 4 independent swivel casters vs only 2 here
01:55 PM gloops: yeah 4 swivels here mostly, you always get that 'wtf is it doing' feeling when trundling along down the aisles
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: a lateral cart move here typically requires a 7 point turn
01:57 PM CaptHindsight: i just slide it sideways
01:59 PM bjorkintosh: shopping carts are meant to be dragged.
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: todays safety video https://imgur.com/gallery/jleiXzb
02:11 PM mrec: .... ok probe screen v2 is obsolete ... it's probe screen ng that is up to date.
02:12 PM NoGodDamnIdea: rs[m] i have decided to go with the remora route
02:13 PM gregcnc: weather is wonderful in Chicago today
02:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and I want to go with trinamic drivers ( if I can find any locally )
02:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: do you guys know if linuxcnc works with trinamic's fancy sensorless function?
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: NoGodDamnIdea: StallGuard, SpreadCycle, CheeseReverse, StealthChop? which do you refer to
02:21 PM NoGodDamnIdea: StallGuard
02:21 PM NoGodDamnIdea: CheeseReverse? lmao
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: MindReadStepping
02:22 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.trinamic.com/technology/motor-control-technology/stallguard-and-coolstep/
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: requires no LCNC involvement
02:24 PM NoGodDamnIdea: sweet
02:24 PM NoGodDamnIdea: god these motherfuckers cost an arm and a leg
02:24 PM NoGodDamnIdea: 2 of these cost as much as the SKR 1.4 i found locally
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: looks like you properly size the drive and motor and stallguard just happens
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: also after proper config of the drive
02:26 PM unterhaus_: I was thinking about buying a cricut and I'm glad I'm so slow about such things
02:27 PM CaptHindsight: so if you do get a stall LCNC won't know unless you generate a signal to let it know
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: saw it at Joanns last week
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: they were a kickstarter a few years ago
02:30 PM unterhaus_: I didn't realize they were a kickstarter. Stock market isn't much different
02:31 PM unterhaus_: apparently they wanted to convince investors that they would have revenue from memberships
02:31 PM unterhaus_: competitors probably really happy today
02:32 PM unterhaus_: I'm going back to making garden beds now
02:34 PM gregcnc: anyone use Parker Gemini drives?
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: I still have a few Gemini
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: easy peasy
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.parkermotion.com/PRODUCTS/Servo_Drives__5335__30_32_80_567_29.html
02:36 PM gregcnc: they seem to be very flexible
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: must be a 20 year old design by now
02:39 PM gregcnc: yeah it is
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: be sure you pick the right version for your application
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: some have purchased on ebay to end up with the version with a PLC vs the slave
02:40 PM gregcnc: the basic version will do both analog and step/dir
02:41 PM gregcnc: I'm thinking about changing steppers to servos in one of my Emco, without a full retrofit
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: easiest to use with matching Parker servo motors
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: programming software was free, you just need a serial port to connect
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: the 50 pin connectors are available from Mouser and Digikey
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: and the 26 pin motor connections for encoders and faults
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: also checkout the Allen Bradley Ultra 3000's
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: scanning ebay the Parker Aries drives are more plentiful, lower cost than gemini and a newer design
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.parkermotion.com/products/Servo_Drives__6016__30_32_80_567_29.html
02:54 PM gregcnc: the only reason I like those Gemini is for the command. Aries are either
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: software setup is easy on either
02:55 PM gregcnc: machine is currently step/dir. If I decide to Linuxcnc would be analog
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/Stepper-Integrate-Position-Encoder-Control/dp/B01MFA87KI was a pleasant surprise
02:56 PM gregcnc: drives seems less of a problem though. second hand motors are harder to find in the flavor you want
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: wish i could count on them for reliability and getting the same model a year or two from now
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: I like their 340V servos
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: what size do you need?
02:59 PM gregcnc: I went through the entire Parker lineup this morning, the BE231 and 232 will work
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: I see lots of 232 on ebay
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: keep the number guide/decoder handy
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: the part numbers have the encoder counts
03:01 PM gregcnc: sure looked at all those too. the tough one is i need a brake on Z
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, that is rare
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: but you can find separate brakes
03:03 PM gregcnc: if there is a shaft to put it on
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: the smaller motors with brakes all seem to be >$400 used
03:09 PM NoGodDamnIdea: seems like it CaptHindsight
04:00 PM perry_j1987: hows everyone doing
04:21 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i for one am doing bad
04:21 PM NoGodDamnIdea: how are you doing perry_j1987
04:26 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well off topic, because there are things I want to do and I lack the funding for that and my job got so god damn boring, but any other job will not allow me to make my little projects
04:27 PM NoGodDamnIdea: on topic because I want to make this cnc but I am having a few issues, but I learned a lot by reading compared to what I knew a few days ago so thats nice I guess
04:34 PM NoGodDamnIdea: also would like to thank this channel again for setting me in the right direction :D
04:34 PM roycroft: it's nice that you think we did that
04:46 PM NoGodDamnIdea: :D
04:46 PM NoGodDamnIdea: will keep you guys updated on my CNC journey
04:47 PM _unreal_: and I just got home so I'm doing ok :)
04:48 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, what direction are you doing for motor controllers?
04:48 PM _unreal_: once you get past the motor controller part
04:48 PM _unreal_: then it gets easy. motor controller and motion controller
04:48 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well since this is linux CNC might as well go with linux cnc
04:48 PM NoGodDamnIdea: so I will go with https://remora-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
04:49 PM NoGodDamnIdea: currently trying to convince my friend its worth to buy this: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/PoPprint-SKR-V1-3-V1-4-Turbo/dp/B082SWXS93/
04:49 PM NoGodDamnIdea: so will pair that board with a raspberry pi 4 and run linuxcnc
04:52 PM _unreal_: whats the price? says not available
04:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hmm
04:53 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://i.imgur.com/LTR0Wx2.png
04:53 PM NoGodDamnIdea: shows in stock to me
04:53 PM NoGodDamnIdea: its 70 euros
04:53 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and I already have the raspberry 4
04:54 PM gigasu_shida is now known as gigas_cedar
04:58 PM _unreal_: ok now I can talk for a sec
04:58 PM _unreal_: I'm doing a soldering job
04:58 PM _unreal_: one of the boards I milled yesterday I'm soldering the parts on to it right now
04:58 PM _unreal_: just got the major part of it done
04:59 PM _unreal_: first just a worning
04:59 PM _unreal_: I HOPE you are ready for ONE HELLLL of a learning curve
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: NoGodDamnIdea: you are down to just leftover wires correct?
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: and a pi4
04:59 PM _unreal_: linuxcnc is NOT a just install it and plug it in and it works
05:00 PM _unreal_: lotslots of custom settings lots of custom software install. custom editing scripting editing
05:00 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i like learning, especially since I like these kind of things more, making things
05:00 PM NoGodDamnIdea: CaptHindsight, you mean as in stuff I own? then yes
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: ^^ is that a Poopyboard knockoff?
05:00 PM NoGodDamnIdea: you mean the SKR?
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: PoPprint SKR
05:01 PM _unreal_: what I'm getting at. is are you looking for operation being able to use the cnc machine or learning and solve it as you go
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: NoGodDamnIdea: cheap fix IF you can live with GRBL
05:02 PM NoGodDamnIdea: lol, its actually a chinese made board, not sure if its their original design
05:02 PM NoGodDamnIdea: _unreal_, i dont mind learning, also you made a pcb on a cnc? got pictures? :D
05:03 PM NoGodDamnIdea: what do you mean CaptHindsight ?
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: NoGodDamnIdea: the PoPprint SKRruns GRBL vs LCNC
05:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: I plan to run lcnc tho, https://remora-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: PoPprint they should have fun with the model names, Big Dumper, Little Shitter etc
05:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hahaha
05:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: the actuall name is BigTech Tree or something
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: yeah smoothie knockoff
05:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: PoPrint is probably something that reseller came up with
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: Shenzhen Bigtree Technology Co., Ltd.
05:07 PM _unreal_: yes I'm solderin ghte PCB I build on my cnc
05:07 PM NoGodDamnIdea: doesnt quite have the ring of PoPrint
05:07 PM _unreal_: its a corrected PCB for the one I built for an other directoin on the same project that didnt work
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: Shenzhen GiantGrass Technology Co., Ltd. or Shenzhen EnormousSapling Technology Co., Ltd.
05:07 PM _unreal_: poprint? dont know what that is
05:08 PM NoGodDamnIdea: shitty name a reseller came up with
05:08 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, you should look into designspark
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: i would have gone with Shenzhen Bigbush Technology Co., Ltd.
05:08 PM NoGodDamnIdea: designspark?
05:08 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, install this
05:08 PM _unreal_: https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/mechanical-software
05:08 PM _unreal_: windows
05:08 PM _unreal_: its the best FREE cad software you'll ever use
05:09 PM NoGodDamnIdea: oh that looks neat :D
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: Shenzhen BigShrub Technology Co., Ltd.
05:09 PM NoGodDamnIdea: I already know a bit of SolidWorks
05:11 PM NoGodDamnIdea: thanks! also, whats the trace width you can cut with your cnc?
05:12 PM _unreal_: ahh
05:12 PM _unreal_: I use these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SMDOUPS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
05:13 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day... 3 more lights to fix in the machine shop but not today
05:14 PM roycroft: my real day is just now beginning, now that the workday is over
05:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: heh
05:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: can you do double sided pcbs?
05:15 PM _unreal_: I can do anything I setup for
05:16 PM _unreal_: again sorry if I'm slow to respond I'm soldering still
05:17 PM NoGodDamnIdea: thats neat, I am also learning KiCAD so I hope I will be able to make pcbs in the future as well :D
05:18 PM NoGodDamnIdea: dont worry about the reply time its not like its a race
05:21 PM _unreal_: and I just burned the piss out of my pinky
05:22 PM _unreal_: wtf
05:22 PM _unreal_: this solder sucker is the top of the line but it is so small its hard to hold on to with my bear claws
05:25 PM NoGodDamnIdea: I once burned my hand at 400 celsius with my soldering iron, it blistered in like 30 seconds
05:27 PM _unreal_: there
05:27 PM _unreal_: soldering is done
05:27 PM _unreal_: bit of probing to make sure everything is good
05:28 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, what I'm getting at is that
05:28 PM _unreal_: you may want to weigh your choices before comitting to a ctrl board
05:29 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, do you plan on getting laser etchers and 3d printers as well?
05:29 PM _unreal_: or building?
05:29 PM NoGodDamnIdea: I already have access to a prusa printer
05:29 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and yes I want to machine aluminum
05:30 PM _unreal_: ok
05:30 PM _unreal_: how big is the machine you are trying to get going
05:30 PM _unreal_: what is the work area?
05:30 PM _unreal_: and what is the motor OZ/IN
05:30 PM _unreal_: ounce inch
05:30 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well for now its the Stepcraft 420, the little one
05:30 PM _unreal_: that is its torque rating
05:31 PM _unreal_: thats what I'm asking
05:31 PM _unreal_: how stiff is that frame as well?
05:31 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but I have another DIY laying around for machining aluminum
05:31 PM NoGodDamnIdea: oh the stepcraft will not be able to machine aluminum alright
05:31 PM _unreal_: my DIY home machine does aluminum just fine
05:31 PM _unreal_: NOT fast but just fine
05:32 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://www.cnc4you.co.uk/Stepper-Motor/Nema23-4Nm/Stepper-Motor-4Nm-60BYGH401-03-Nema23
05:32 PM NoGodDamnIdea: these are the motors for the other machine
05:33 PM * JT-Shop goes to cut a bucket of stickers
05:33 PM NoGodDamnIdea: the bed is rather small, I will measure/take pictures tomorrow if I find free time from work
05:33 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i think its 30cmx30cm~
05:34 PM NoGodDamnIdea: also its not like I am spending one grand on the control board
05:35 PM _unreal_: personally I would go with the GRBL controller I posted
05:35 PM _unreal_: less then $20 US
05:35 PM _unreal_: everything to make the machine work and ALLLL control signals
05:35 PM _unreal_: the only thing would be maybe a relay for the spindle
05:36 PM _unreal_: or a speed controller
05:36 PM _unreal_: imo its better to make the machine work
05:36 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes but where is the challenge/fun in that
05:36 PM _unreal_: use it go get you going
05:37 PM _unreal_: what I'm saying is
05:37 PM _unreal_: its better to get it going with something simple and easy
05:37 PM _unreal_: that way it works
05:37 PM _unreal_: and you can use it to upgrade and build with it
05:37 PM _unreal_: once you are ready to build lets say a laser etcher.then you can use that machine to build parts for a laser etcher
05:38 PM NoGodDamnIdea: not much I can with this small machine tbh, maybe mill plastic
05:38 PM _unreal_: and take THAT controller out and put it into a laser etcher and get bigger better controllers etcher for that cnc
05:38 PM _unreal_: rolling eyes
05:38 PM _unreal_: my cnc machine is only 7.75x12"
05:38 PM _unreal_: and I have done plenty of work that is 2x its size with it
05:39 PM _unreal_: doing precision moves using the machine to move the part and reclamp it down
05:39 PM _unreal_: and on and on
05:39 PM _unreal_: dont give me that
05:39 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i meant small as in motors being small
05:39 PM _unreal_: they are not much smaller then the one's on my home machine
05:39 PM _unreal_: you can mill aluminum with that machine you just have to cut slow and shallow
05:39 PM _unreal_: and have a good spindle motor
05:39 PM _unreal_: what spindle motor does it have on it?
05:40 PM _unreal_: dremel? or a real spindle motor
05:40 PM NoGodDamnIdea: some dewalt
05:40 PM _unreal_: router?
05:40 PM _unreal_: or dremel like
05:40 PM NoGodDamnIdea: let me google a bit
05:40 PM NoGodDamnIdea: its the one recommend
05:40 PM NoGodDamnIdea: recommended*
05:42 PM _unreal_: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/300W-Mini-12v-dc-spindle-motor_62371603451.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.5a75e464UPPUt9
05:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/routers-planers-and-joiners/routers/114-hp-max-torque-variable-speed-compact-router/dwp611
05:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: something like this
05:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: there is also a beefy mf 1KW spindle motor iirc
05:42 PM _unreal_: THATs on that cnc machine?
05:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but we dont have a vfd for that
05:43 PM NoGodDamnIdea: dont think its the exact same model, but yes looks like that one
05:43 PM _unreal_: is that one is on your 420?
05:43 PM _unreal_: I want to know what is on your 420 cnc your trying to get built?
05:43 PM NoGodDamnIdea: no, the 420 has nothing on it
05:43 PM _unreal_: for a spindle
05:43 PM _unreal_: ! THATS what I needed to know
05:44 PM NoGodDamnIdea: with the 420? firstly I want to use it as a plotter
05:44 PM _unreal_: plotter?
05:44 PM NoGodDamnIdea: to cut some aluminum foil
05:44 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yup
05:44 PM _unreal_: with what a drag knive?
05:44 PM _unreal_: knife?
05:44 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i have no idea to be honest
05:44 PM _unreal_: rolling eyes
05:45 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i found out about roland blades tho
05:45 PM NoGodDamnIdea: was thinking of using those
05:45 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://www.banggood.com/15pcs-304560-Degree-Vinyl-Cutter-Blade-for-Roland-Cutting-Plotter-with-Holder-p-1061088.html?cur_warehouse=CN
05:45 PM _unreal_: ok many people use collet based drag blades
05:46 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i want to make a mini planar driver
05:46 PM _unreal_: a collet blade goes into the spindle motors collet holder
05:46 PM _unreal_: for "bits"
05:46 PM XXCoder1: dont buy cricut https://hackaday.com/2021/03/15/cricut-decides-to-charge-rent-for-people-to-use-the-cutting-machines-they-already-own/
05:46 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://i.imgur.com/mS1XPna.png this guy here
05:46 PM _unreal_: not worth it
05:46 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but much smaller
05:46 PM NoGodDamnIdea: what is not worth it?
05:47 PM _unreal_: trying to make it into a plotter then a cnc etc....
05:47 PM _unreal_: ok that spindle motor I posted would be a good fit for you likely
05:47 PM _unreal_: or one like it
05:47 PM _unreal_: alibaba is one of the better places to get them from
05:48 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but i do have a spindle motor also
05:49 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well its not like i want to make it a plotter specifically
05:49 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and i will just 3d print an adapter for the blade holder and hold it in place
05:50 PM _unreal_: I purchased this for my home cnc
05:50 PM _unreal_: https://es.aliexpress.com/item/4000801582283.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.3d6063c0o7c8GL
05:51 PM _unreal_: mine runs at 15k RPM at 36v
05:51 PM _unreal_: I got the full works with the RPM lcd
05:51 PM _unreal_: the thing is amazing
05:52 PM _unreal_: infact I used my old spindle to mill aluminum parts to upgrade to that spindle
05:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: looks like a solid solution
05:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: lol
05:52 PM _unreal_: this was my original spindle
05:53 PM _unreal_: https://es.aliexpress.com/item/32738600640.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.274263c00tp1Fd
05:53 PM _unreal_: yes it CUT aluminum just fine
05:53 PM _unreal_: SLOW but just fine
05:53 PM _unreal_: I used a 48v 4amp psu
05:54 PM NoGodDamnIdea: lmao
05:54 PM NoGodDamnIdea: just fine is a bit of a stretch aint it
05:54 PM NoGodDamnIdea: what are you using for a control board?
05:55 PM _unreal_: My motor controller is a HOBBYCNC 4x controller
05:55 PM _unreal_: err motor controller
05:55 PM _unreal_: my motion controller is a planetcnc controller
05:56 PM _unreal_: linuxcnc doesnt hold a cancle to planetcnc's native software features
05:56 PM _unreal_: candle not cancle
05:57 PM _unreal_: I have purchased expensive mesa controllers got everything working and personally gave up on lcnc
05:57 PM _unreal_: then again I'm refering to th emachine I built for work
05:57 PM _unreal_: to much risk
05:58 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hmm so I should strive for better controllers :D
05:58 PM _unreal_: I have a working linuxcnc setup but I only use it for home
05:58 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i do have a mesa
05:58 PM NoGodDamnIdea: 7i77d
05:58 PM _unreal_: I'm just saying BE PREPAIRED for one hell of a learning curve
05:58 PM NoGodDamnIdea: seems to be analog so its rather useless for me
05:59 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hmm
05:59 PM _unreal_: thats a daughter card
05:59 PM _unreal_: the 7i77d
06:00 PM NoGodDamnIdea: seems that planetcnc's controllers are not that expensive
06:00 PM _unreal_: meaning you still neeed the mesa ctrl board
06:00 PM _unreal_: I would still suggest going with that cheap grbl setup just to get going.
06:00 PM _unreal_: if you look at building a laser etcher your going to want a GRBL ctroller
06:00 PM _unreal_: all the free GOOD free software for doing laser etching is GRBL based
06:00 PM _unreal_: or designed rather
06:01 PM _unreal_: for
06:01 PM NoGodDamnIdea: also got another mesa, 6i25
06:01 PM _unreal_: ok 6i25 thats a controller
06:02 PM _unreal_: that could drive the arduino HAT EASY
06:02 PM _unreal_: AS LONG as its 5v TTL compatable
06:03 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i dont have a pc for it and dont really want to build one to use it with an arduino shield
06:03 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i was wondering, why dont these boards have encoder inputs?
06:03 PM _unreal_: which boards
06:03 PM NoGodDamnIdea: what if the stepper motors miss a step?
06:03 PM NoGodDamnIdea: like controller boards in general
06:04 PM _unreal_: controllers dont typically have encoder readers
06:04 PM _unreal_: thats more often ONE the motor controller
06:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: I saw that UCCNC has encode inputs on the board, but the board itself does not close the loop ???
06:04 PM _unreal_: closed loop is more of a motor controller setup.
06:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but then how does it coordinate it all
06:04 PM _unreal_: so the motion controller sends motion singnals to the motor controller. the motor controller drives the motor. and the motor turns and sends motion "encoder" feed back to the motor controller
06:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes but if it misses a step
06:05 PM _unreal_: the motor controller then makes sure the motor is where it should be and corrects if needs be or leaves it as is
06:05 PM _unreal_: if it gets to far out of step it will send and ERROR and the machine will error fault and signal you I FUCKED UP FIX ME.
06:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: oh so it just stops
06:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: it never occurred to me
06:05 PM _unreal_: OPEN LOOP steppers only miss a step if you over drive them
06:06 PM _unreal_: to fast to much force
06:06 PM _unreal_: 99% of the time its TOO fast
06:06 PM _unreal_: and it just fucks up
06:06 PM _unreal_: ot fix it you have to "re home"
06:06 PM _unreal_: to re align it
06:06 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i see
06:06 PM _unreal_: and then continue so long as it has not FUCKED up the work much to much
06:06 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but how does the driver know its too late to fix it and enter error?
06:06 PM _unreal_: IF you catch it
06:07 PM _unreal_: YOU are the error check
06:07 PM _unreal_: very few people here use closed loop cnc machines
06:07 PM _unreal_: most are open loop
06:07 PM _unreal_: or non encoder feed back cnc machines
06:07 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i see
06:08 PM NoGodDamnIdea: so in the end the controller board does not matter that much
06:08 PM NoGodDamnIdea: you need good motors and motor drivers
06:08 PM _unreal_: CORRECT
06:08 PM NoGodDamnIdea: why are closed loop not more common ?
06:08 PM _unreal_: thats why I keep suggesting START with the cheap ass arduino setup with the motor driver hat
06:08 PM _unreal_: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
06:09 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but they are not *that* expensive
06:09 PM _unreal_: closed loop setups are expensive
06:09 PM _unreal_: BS
06:09 PM NoGodDamnIdea: like 200~$ for a motor driver combo
06:09 PM _unreal_: now as 2-3 more motor driver combos
06:10 PM _unreal_: closed loop setups are not cheap
06:10 PM NoGodDamnIdea: 1.2k~ for everything should be reasonable for closed loop no?
06:10 PM _unreal_: thats like nema 23 100oz motors
06:10 PM _unreal_: my steppers on my home cnc are 250oz/in steppers
06:10 PM _unreal_: something like that
06:11 PM _unreal_: all pulled from hardware
06:11 PM _unreal_: hell my Y axis came from a 1983 IBM industrial dot matrix printer that was like 1400 lbs
06:11 PM _unreal_: Y axis stepper
06:12 PM _unreal_: nema 34
06:12 PM NoGodDamnIdea: you see
06:12 PM NoGodDamnIdea: if I bring good arguments, I can get my friend to invest
06:12 PM _unreal_: get it working and then you have a good argument
06:12 PM NoGodDamnIdea: initially i was looking to get this combination: http://www.shop.cncdrive.com/index.php?productID=1045
06:13 PM _unreal_: never played iwth UCCNC
06:13 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but it seems quite old
06:14 PM _unreal_: one of my post's
06:14 PM _unreal_: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-cards/413028-cnc.html
06:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: what is a newer controller/software? or a semi-pro solution
06:14 PM _unreal_: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-cards/
06:14 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, top post is mine
06:15 PM _unreal_: ucncv4
06:16 PM NoGodDamnIdea: oh yeah
06:17 PM NoGodDamnIdea: that seems to be an old board
06:18 PM NoGodDamnIdea: "..the board is a chines counterfeit"
06:18 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hahaha
06:19 PM _unreal_: yep
06:19 PM _unreal_: and works great
06:19 PM _unreal_: I have an MK2 board in front of me from planetcnc
06:19 PM _unreal_: real one
06:19 PM _unreal_: waiting to go into the motion controller box at work
06:19 PM _unreal_: have yet to get around to it
06:20 PM _unreal_: am I breaking though on WHY I suggest what I'm suggesting?
06:21 PM NoGodDamnIdea: why
06:21 PM _unreal_: I built this for my daughter
06:21 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ReMMOc5zQjrwCSnNdAv9avkJf35l6s3a/view?usp=sharing
06:22 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fNUz8yQsjeJA0Uxd1_SwFodAyful3OVN/view?usp=sharing
06:22 PM _unreal_: that cad drawing was done with designspark
06:22 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well thats a cute little machine
06:22 PM _unreal_: took me like 6 hours to make it
06:22 PM NoGodDamnIdea: it even has an E stop
06:23 PM _unreal_: yep
06:23 PM NoGodDamnIdea: 6 hours seems quite fast
06:23 PM _unreal_: the custom Z
06:23 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rFEx3XtYgrmPli6b3nXNBJTHIRIF4vIo/view?usp=sharing
06:23 PM _unreal_: I'm VERY fast at cad
06:24 PM _unreal_: I own fusion360 and I HATE IT I only use it for file conversion and high end gcode production
06:24 PM _unreal_: I use designspark, carbide create, ESTLCAM
06:24 PM _unreal_: inkscape
06:24 PM NoGodDamnIdea: inkscape?
06:24 PM _unreal_: mainly
06:24 PM _unreal_: palm to face
06:25 PM NoGodDamnIdea: isnt that for like 2D
06:25 PM _unreal_: FUCK NO
06:25 PM _unreal_: O.M.G.. palm to face
06:25 PM _unreal_: I use inkscape for color gradients
06:25 PM NoGodDamnIdea: ah
06:26 PM _unreal_: then I use those in laser etching OR 3d milling using a black level pallet for "depth OF CUT"
06:26 PM _unreal_: at times
06:26 PM _unreal_: unless I need to design soethiung in 3d 3d cad
06:26 PM _unreal_: I did this totally in fusion
06:26 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I6sOsXy7h3nRVIoGICmUYGBgGy8Uq44V/view?usp=sharing
06:27 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I6sOsXy7h3nRVIoGICmUYGBgGy8Uq44V/view?usp=sharing
06:27 PM _unreal_: VIDEO
06:27 PM _unreal_: finished product https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jhdu2UXy-NDLAabpD3d6cB-wlT9qazFm/view?usp=sharing
06:28 PM _unreal_: aluminum cutting on the home machine
06:28 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fnDdmO8oMWCKIWO9yF5W1kBki8bxOwxU/view?usp=sharing
06:28 PM _unreal_: that is a diy machine too
06:28 PM NoGodDamnIdea: turned out pretty nice
06:28 PM _unreal_: something I built for a luxury yacht https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nzgf9qO9onuNNo7OEi4G9Lmny55AnYIB/view?usp=sharing
06:28 PM _unreal_: upgrade for a drill press
06:28 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mrS_isKU1jIbi-Nj8ODERujgE2mxSbNa/view?usp=sharing
06:29 PM _unreal_: look at this
06:29 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPp1f0dUHlqqTwZCQ32JntR_n59omq5yjLi0sI1AFxK8ghJ-Fgv4MRm1h6_kwMyBw?pli=1&key=b196bk50Mk9GMFd4ZFBSY0RkclVCVW9QYm0tbWFB
06:29 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hahaha hot tub
06:30 PM _unreal_: I have a reason for suggesting what I'm suggesting to you.
06:30 PM _unreal_: more of been there done that guiding
06:30 PM _unreal_: :)
06:31 PM NoGodDamnIdea: whoa lots of projects
06:31 PM _unreal_: thats like .3%
06:31 PM _unreal_: of what I have done
06:31 PM NoGodDamnIdea: thats cool
06:32 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hope to be as productive
06:32 PM _unreal_: hence I'm trying to suggest to you to go with the simplest fastest route first
06:32 PM _unreal_: get up and running
06:32 PM _unreal_: functional first is most important
06:33 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and whats the route to go pro after that?
06:33 PM NoGodDamnIdea: pro setup that is
06:34 PM _unreal_: thats your choice but that 420 is NOT pro. that high end home system
06:34 PM _unreal_: My machine is hand made and small
06:35 PM _unreal_: thats the big machine I've been building
06:35 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mshwTml_EGz4u3WCejxn4pXqeFHZ62d2/view?usp=sharing
06:35 PM _unreal_: notice the DC servos
06:35 PM _unreal_: mesa controller, custom diy motor controllers
06:35 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oHduYa2ANdWE6VH5DIhcMQi_ls1xkjhw/view?usp=sharing
06:36 PM NoGodDamnIdea: oh yes i know that the 420 is by no means pro, I was meaning controller wise
06:36 PM _unreal_: I'm in florida so shit rusts fast
06:36 PM _unreal_: dont try to put a SHINE on a turd
06:36 PM _unreal_: O,o o,O O,o
06:37 PM _unreal_: YES mythbusters proofed you can put a shine on shit
06:37 PM _unreal_: prooved
06:37 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but its not for the 420 lol
06:37 PM NoGodDamnIdea: for a bigger machine/better machine
06:37 PM _unreal_: right...
06:37 PM NoGodDamnIdea: not lying lol
06:37 PM _unreal_: again I suggest the arduino setup for the 420 get it going
06:37 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes
06:38 PM _unreal_: make the big beefy non working machine you keep gloating about into the big bad ass mesa controled linux controlled setup
06:38 PM NoGodDamnIdea: linux? as in linuxcnc?
06:38 PM _unreal_: yes
06:39 PM NoGodDamnIdea: hmm didnt you say planetcnc has better software?
06:39 PM _unreal_: 420 I'd suggest going with the arduino/cnc hat setup
06:39 PM _unreal_: it does
06:39 PM _unreal_: but you have to have the controller for it as well
06:39 PM NoGodDamnIdea: the mesa? i dont really want to use it
06:40 PM _unreal_: and unless you get to my level you wont use but a 10th of the features EVER
06:40 PM NoGodDamnIdea: you never know :P
06:41 PM _unreal_: dude ... really....
06:41 PM _unreal_: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-cards/366112-software-2.html
06:41 PM _unreal_: look at my join date on the forum
06:41 PM _unreal_: "berin"
06:41 PM NoGodDamnIdea: cant really see as i dont have an account
06:42 PM _unreal_: bs
06:42 PM _unreal_: its not showing you the post's"
06:42 PM _unreal_: its not showing you the post's ?
06:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://i.imgur.com/57nd4qF.png
06:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: ah
06:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes 2004
06:42 PM _unreal_: YAAAAA
06:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well to my defense I am a student
06:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i have time to catch up :P
06:43 PM _unreal_: you should setup an account
06:43 PM _unreal_: cnczone is EVERYTHING cnc
06:43 PM _unreal_: including linuxcnc
06:43 PM _unreal_: most of my post's have thousands of views
06:43 PM _unreal_: on cnczone.com
06:45 PM _unreal_: I'm not the best at linuxcnc problem solving but I know my way around. JT-Shop is a good one to ask and many others in here. I know hardware and cad and Reality!!!!!! very well :) hehehehe
06:46 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and I have NoGodDamnIdea about many things :D
06:47 PM _unreal_: with that we agree endlessly
06:47 PM _unreal_: LOL
06:47 PM NoGodDamnIdea: heh
06:47 PM _unreal_: as I said I think your getting the idea on why I suggest what I suggest
06:48 PM _unreal_: a lot of the big HASS like systems use linuxcnc but they are ALLLL closed source
06:48 PM _unreal_: https://www.haascnc.com/content/dam/haascnc/productivity/control/assets/4x3/ControlRender_4x3.jpg
06:49 PM _unreal_: and all of the custom features are all closed source. so you have to ether know how to program scripts to make all of the features
06:49 PM _unreal_: and generate the display scripts
06:49 PM _unreal_: or fine it already made on a github to download
06:50 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes i understand why you are suggesting the arduino route
06:50 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but as i said before, not sure if you were present, I already did that
06:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i made the axes move
06:51 PM _unreal_: with an other controller and the motor controllers burnt up
06:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but the small drivers are overheating for some reason, and yes I tuned the pot
06:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: nono
06:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: with an arduino mega and a ramps shield
06:51 PM _unreal_: same differnce
06:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: which is basically what you linked, just bigger
06:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: then with a trinamic arduino controller, which made a big difference
06:52 PM _unreal_: its the same thing just bigger
06:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yep
06:52 PM _unreal_: but SHIT motor controllers
06:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes
06:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: this is why i want to try something else
06:52 PM _unreal_: the 4988's are hardy
06:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and plus i have to say, the trinamic drivers are pretty damn good
06:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: very silent and smooth operation
06:52 PM _unreal_: $
06:53 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and if I learn something might as well learn something more complicated than arduino
06:53 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes but I am not the one paying
06:53 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well if I cant convince my friend I will buy the combo myself since I want to learn
06:54 PM _unreal_: you call... but if you are thinking about making money with this machine which can be done AND EASY
06:54 PM NoGodDamnIdea: will try again with the arduino shield and grbl since i tried marlin before
06:54 PM NoGodDamnIdea: I do not have an idea on how to make money with it yet, besides my planar drivers idea
06:54 PM _unreal_: an other thing to think about. you could get the machine working and working good for cheap and GET a laser head put that on as well
06:54 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and even that I am not sure that a CNC is the best way to cut the foil
06:54 PM _unreal_: then you have a cnc/laser combo
06:55 PM _unreal_: what kind of foil
06:55 PM NoGodDamnIdea: thin, like 0.8mm or thinner
06:55 PM _unreal_: .8mm is NOT thin
06:55 PM _unreal_: foil is .06mm
06:56 PM _unreal_: I mean hell vinyl stick on vinyl is like .07
06:57 PM _unreal_: .8 is thicker then the rast mill bit I use for cutting pcb's
06:57 PM _unreal_: cutting and milling pcb/traces
06:57 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yeah my bad, I missed a 0
06:58 PM NoGodDamnIdea: was looking for the exact size but I cant seem to find it
06:58 PM _unreal_: I'm going to make dinner and stuff and futz with this new laser etcher module I milled
06:58 PM _unreal_: one of them that I made is a DUAL relay board
06:59 PM _unreal_: dont have any pictures currently
06:59 PM _unreal_: posted anyways
06:59 PM _unreal_: I had to purchase a new phone over the weekend
06:59 PM _unreal_: my old one died out of the blue
06:59 PM NoGodDamnIdea: 0.008
06:59 PM _unreal_: just got the s21 ultra
06:59 PM _unreal_: but no photos on it :(
06:59 PM _unreal_: sigh
07:00 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well enjoy your dinner :D
07:00 PM _unreal_: ya I would look at the arduino/hat setup. get a cheap aliexpress spindle motor. and look at getting a LASER etcher and laser driver
07:01 PM _unreal_: you could setup ALL of it on the arduino setup on the low end 420 machine
07:01 PM _unreal_: then learn your offsets etc...
07:01 PM _unreal_: mill something. laser etch SOMETHING
07:01 PM _unreal_: hell you can use the laser for laser etching a PCB
07:02 PM _unreal_: so pre-coat it with a dykem ink
07:02 PM NoGodDamnIdea: just out of respect for your help I will setup the arduino hat combo and try to make it work, but my heart is set on the raspberrypic linuxcnc setup and I will get it :D
07:03 PM NoGodDamnIdea: raspberrypi*
07:03 PM _unreal_: laser etch the traces. then CNC mill the holes/shape. then chem etch the copper away
07:03 PM _unreal_: dude you can USE the raspberry
07:03 PM _unreal_: JUST boot a different program
07:04 PM _unreal_: if/when you change
07:04 PM _unreal_: infact you can setup it up for both. and start to learn with one
07:04 PM _unreal_: and fuction with the other
07:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but I want the trinamic drivers too :(
07:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: speaking of milling pcbs
07:04 PM _unreal_: eerything is $
07:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHO_rCXzI3M
07:04 PM _unreal_: and time
07:04 PM _unreal_: remember "WASTING" time is wasting money
07:04 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i really liked that video
07:05 PM _unreal_: even if its not costing you anything
07:05 PM _unreal_: which video?
07:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: the one i just linked
07:05 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes time is money, but for now my time is worthless as I dont have another activity I could be making money of, so its better to spend it learning I guess
07:06 PM _unreal_: oh that video he's using a water bath as well
07:07 PM _unreal_: HAAA HAAA my .5mm bits are finer then the one's posted on that video
07:07 PM _unreal_: the one's I use mill the traces AND can cut holes. AND can cut out the board. they are just slow BUT no bit swapping
07:08 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, like I said if you get that machine going. get it milling and get a laser etcher on it. you can do a LOT of stuf
07:08 PM _unreal_: and a LOT of $money stuff
07:08 PM _unreal_: remember the hot tub thing
07:08 PM _unreal_: that I posted
07:08 PM _unreal_: that was milled and laser etched
07:08 PM NoGodDamnIdea: remember I am not based in the USA
07:08 PM _unreal_: doesnt matter
07:08 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but in bumfuck eastern Europe
07:08 PM _unreal_: money is money find a nitch
07:09 PM _unreal_: I use to live in east bumb fuck maine
07:09 PM _unreal_: now I live in florida
07:09 PM _unreal_: and I still was able to do projects up in maine
07:09 PM _unreal_: and make money
07:09 PM _unreal_: I made coasters
07:09 PM _unreal_: custom coasters for awhile with my cnc
07:09 PM _unreal_: way back before I had laser anything
07:10 PM _unreal_: I made like $300/wk extra just milling out custom coasters small batches for privet parties
07:10 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes I am also trying to find a niche
07:10 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but not locally
07:10 PM _unreal_: are you near water?
07:10 PM _unreal_: ocean? lakes?
07:10 PM NoGodDamnIdea: markets such as that dont really exist here
07:11 PM NoGodDamnIdea: not really no, well 100~km from the Danube
07:11 PM _unreal_: ok then on line
07:11 PM _unreal_: you would be amazed how many people are looking for simple things
07:11 PM _unreal_: "offer up" like services are big business
07:12 PM _unreal_: for finding producer and end user client
07:12 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes I know people want stupid shit
07:12 PM _unreal_: like right now I need a 3d printed part
07:12 PM _unreal_: I dont have a 3d printer
07:12 PM NoGodDamnIdea: like versace logos for their fences
07:12 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and stuff like that
07:12 PM _unreal_: yep
07:13 PM _unreal_: custom cutting boards
07:13 PM _unreal_: hell small inlay cutting boards
07:13 PM _unreal_: pick a design to put on it.
07:13 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/768
07:13 PM _unreal_: + and - milled parts. glue stick them together. use the mill to mill off the excess material. sand it. oil it sell it
07:14 PM _unreal_: that egg bot runs on grbl
07:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: its such a cute machine
07:14 PM _unreal_: it runs on grbl
07:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: what I think would be nice is customizing bottles
07:14 PM _unreal_: sure
07:14 PM _unreal_: dimond bit you could etch bottles
07:14 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yes I see where you are going, to use the arduino :D
07:15 PM _unreal_: chemical coat. and you could laser etch the resist and then acid bath it
07:15 PM _unreal_: try me I know to much
07:15 PM _unreal_: :)
07:15 PM _unreal_: as I said TIME............................ is money
07:15 PM _unreal_: fun to learn the hard stuff but if you can make a $buck during that time.
07:15 PM _unreal_: then you have the capital to fuck around with learning
07:16 PM _unreal_: the pain in the ass part
07:17 PM _unreal_: I feel there is a "fucker has a point" rebuttal coming.
07:17 PM NoGodDamnIdea: haha, no i knew from the start you have a point
07:17 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, so your in nowhere land. that means you have resturants
07:17 PM _unreal_: and other businesses
07:17 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yeah
07:17 PM _unreal_: everyone needs something
07:18 PM _unreal_: a 30x30cm machine is about 11-12"
07:18 PM _unreal_: if 2 ends are open then you can slide material
07:18 PM _unreal_: that means you can precision move the material and reclamp it down so long as its not to heavy.
07:19 PM _unreal_: and precision move. I litteraly mean use the machine to move the material
07:19 PM _unreal_: so have a straight hard edge
07:19 PM _unreal_: make a move. and the next cad drawing covers everything in the next milling zone
07:20 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, let me take/post a few quick photos
07:20 PM _unreal_: then I'm going to make din
07:20 PM _unreal_: killing me with this new phone BS
07:20 PM NoGodDamnIdea: heh
07:20 PM NoGodDamnIdea: when you are going to make dinner im also going to sleep
07:21 PM _unreal_: I'm handicapped right now
07:21 PM _unreal_: heh
07:21 PM _unreal_: ya I am a few hours behind LOL
07:21 PM NoGodDamnIdea: its like 2 AM here
07:23 PM _unreal_: just took phtos got ot upload them
07:25 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yeah no rush, I had the wonderful idea to drink coffee a couple of hours ago
07:25 PM NoGodDamnIdea: dont really feel like going to sleep
07:25 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but i will regret it in the morning if I dont
07:26 PM _unreal_: can you view this?
07:26 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMbu4CC_zZvjY8o0XT2YQKr2U8o33v8tX_02CWT
07:26 PM flyback: hey _unreal_ you doing any better?
07:26 PM flyback: last time you were having financial issues
07:26 PM _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ejmwQjHGskbBvob9
07:26 PM _unreal_: just got a $4 raise
07:26 PM NoGodDamnIdea: now it works
07:27 PM flyback: cool
07:27 PM _unreal_: I was having $ issues because my FAM is POS
07:27 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, that panel is all custom designed
07:27 PM _unreal_: the control panel
07:27 PM NoGodDamnIdea: heh, arduino
07:27 PM _unreal_: yep
07:28 PM _unreal_: custom relay board
07:28 PM _unreal_: that board is linked directly to the front panel
07:28 PM _unreal_: that board controls mains power and laser SAFETY LOCK OUT
07:28 PM _unreal_: it had non of that stuff before
07:29 PM NoGodDamnIdea: its a pretty neat setup
07:29 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, I built thiws
07:29 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08HV57Y5M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
07:29 PM _unreal_: purchased
07:29 PM flyback: oh speaking of lasers
07:29 PM _unreal_: with all of the upgrades I built
07:29 PM flyback: you guys will like this
07:29 PM _unreal_: when I get around to it and finish it I'll publish all of my cad drawings etc.. as I always doo
07:29 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGSzBXKONo
07:29 PM _unreal_: hence I have such a big pressence on a lot of online places
07:29 PM flyback: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
07:29 PM flyback: though
07:30 PM NoGodDamnIdea: weird flex but ok
07:30 PM _unreal_: flex?
07:30 PM _unreal_: flyback, thats an... aaah. a.... fuck what the hell is that cal.... OH
07:30 PM _unreal_: FIBER laser
07:31 PM NoGodDamnIdea: like bragging , ignore the reference
07:31 PM _unreal_: thats prob a 100watt fiber laser
07:31 PM NoGodDamnIdea: speaking of expensive equipment
07:31 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://pocketnc.com/
07:31 PM _unreal_: thats a 5 axis
07:32 PM _unreal_: ya hehe didnt even need to look I knew what it is
07:32 PM _unreal_: but its TINY
07:32 PM _unreal_: its work area is nothing
07:32 PM flyback: $500,000
07:32 PM flyback: that sucks
07:32 PM NoGodDamnIdea: the laser?
07:32 PM flyback: but would be awesome for cars
07:32 PM flyback: yes
07:32 PM NoGodDamnIdea: thats fucking obscene
07:33 PM _unreal_: you could take any cheap ass china fiber laser machine
07:33 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yeah, work area is sadly tiny
07:33 PM _unreal_: $500 machine
07:33 PM flyback: with that thing you could literally clean metal minutes before painting
07:33 PM _unreal_: and pipe the output into a hand held gun with optical servo
07:33 PM _unreal_: and do the same thing
07:33 PM flyback: so there's 0 rust under the primer
07:33 PM XXCoder1: fly yeah insane pricy
07:33 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, you'll notice in one of those photos
07:34 PM _unreal_: some laser etching
07:34 PM _unreal_: that etching was done in powder coated aluminum
07:34 PM _unreal_: when I get a little more experience and function with this enw laser etcher under my belt I'm going to be milling custom business plaques for big $
07:34 PM _unreal_: takes SECONDS
07:35 PM XXCoder1: "Please use common sense, this Laser Rust Cleaner was selling for nearly $500k in 2017, there is no way to make it and sell it for $39.00 6-12 months later, even shitty Cordless Drills usually sell for $39.00."
07:35 PM _unreal_: I mean litteraly that little circle thing took 20 seconds to laser etch
07:35 PM XXCoder1: part of comment there
07:35 PM _unreal_: heh
07:35 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well best of luck to you _unreal_ , hope you get that $$
07:36 PM _unreal_: already have been
07:36 PM _unreal_: thats why I'm and have been suggesting what I have to youj
07:36 PM NoGodDamnIdea: get more then
07:36 PM NoGodDamnIdea: more money is always better
07:36 PM _unreal_: get the machine moving cheap. get function. and then make some money with it.
07:36 PM _unreal_: do the expensive complicated and TIME consuming stuff with the bigger machine
07:36 PM NoGodDamnIdea: and after the money, what software/controller should i get? :D
07:37 PM _unreal_: your choice
07:37 PM NoGodDamnIdea: aint easy when i dont even know all the options
07:37 PM _unreal_: but that tiny machine I'd suggest going with what I suggested rather then spending a fortune to
07:37 PM _unreal_: put it this way
07:38 PM _unreal_: if you want to get upgrades that dont include hardware improvements to the machine ITS SELF
07:38 PM _unreal_: its not worth spending as much or more then the machine. for new controllers etc...
07:39 PM NoGodDamnIdea: that little machine was pretty expensive tho
07:39 PM _unreal_: $250-300 for a new controller/motion controller for a machine that only cost $300-400 to begin with LOL
07:39 PM NoGodDamnIdea: 1k+ iirc
07:39 PM _unreal_: WHEN
07:39 PM _unreal_: when was it new
07:39 PM NoGodDamnIdea: https://shop.stepcraft-systems.com/stepcraft-2-420-construction-kit
07:39 PM NoGodDamnIdea: like even now its 1k
07:39 PM _unreal_: you can buy a 6040 solid aluminum cnc machine for $800
07:39 PM _unreal_: MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger
07:40 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/DNYSYSJ-Engraver-Engraving-Drilling-Woodworking/dp/B08MPYJWMW/ref=asc_df_B08MPYJWMW/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475739533356&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=507336391580999993&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9012053&hvtargid=pla-1127768824687&psc=1
07:40 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea, look at that
07:40 PM _unreal_: heavy duty SOLID aluminum
07:41 PM _unreal_: designed for milling aluminum even steel
07:41 PM _unreal_: that 420 is a @#$%@#%$ toy
07:41 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yeah but its ugly
07:41 PM NoGodDamnIdea: 420 is good looking
07:41 PM NoGodDamnIdea: :P
07:41 PM _unreal_: AND A toy
07:41 PM _unreal_: especially for the price
07:41 PM NoGodDamnIdea: wont deny it
07:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but do you remember the cnc in the video with the pcbs?
07:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: its 3k euros
07:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: +
07:42 PM _unreal_: again GET the arduino controller for it. DONT waste money with expensive CONTROLLERS on a toy
07:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: now that is high af
07:42 PM _unreal_: my home cnc machine does just as well
07:42 PM NoGodDamnIdea: but I can always move the controllers to something else
07:42 PM _unreal_: let me post an other photo
07:43 PM NoGodDamnIdea: i will actually go tomorrow and try to make the arduino shield work
07:43 PM _unreal_: NoGodDamnIdea,
07:43 PM _unreal_: still got that link? to thephotos
07:43 PM _unreal_: of mine?
07:43 PM _unreal_: just upped 2 new photos
07:43 PM NoGodDamnIdea: yeah sure
07:44 PM _unreal_: that board took 30min till mill cut all of the hole and cut out the board with the same bit
07:44 PM _unreal_: never had to change it
07:44 PM NoGodDamnIdea: why such trace length
07:45 PM NoGodDamnIdea: looks like you were playing snake when designing it :P
07:46 PM _unreal_: YES YES I WAS
07:46 PM _unreal_: THAT WAS 100% fucking around
07:46 PM _unreal_: thats the ground anyways
07:47 PM NoGodDamnIdea: heh
07:48 PM _unreal_: and with that I bid you a good night.
07:48 PM _unreal_: I'm goinnig to go get din and make a bathroom visit maybe and other stuff
07:49 PM _unreal_: I think you have a clear path now
07:49 PM _unreal_: get it going learn to use it
07:49 PM _unreal_: make some money iff you can wh it. THHEN dive into the big complicated shit
07:49 PM _unreal_: or haave the person who is $funding the bigger project fund the lcnc setup for the big machine you where talking about
07:49 PM _unreal_: makes more sense then to try and spend a small fortune for controllers etc.... for a TOY cnc machine
07:50 PM _unreal_: I think this keyboard is about to give up.
07:50 PM _unreal_: sigh.
07:50 PM _unreal_: I think I burn though about 3 keyboards a year
07:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: make one that can last longer :P
07:51 PM NoGodDamnIdea: well i am off to sleep now
07:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: thank you for the advice and thanks to all here
07:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: enjoy your dinner
07:52 PM NoGodDamnIdea: night!
07:55 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMpXNxUQiMQ
08:06 PM XXCoder1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4Od9D4puc suggested
08:10 PM XXCoder1: 2,000 usd machine
08:10 PM XXCoder1: but if you charge people fix phones you could make it back i guess
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10:29 PM mrec: can anyone recommend some quick fixture clamps?