#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 14 2021

#linuxcnc Calendar

02:10 AM Deejay: moin
02:44 AM sensille: is it a bad idea to have a contour operation that just leaves the model hanging on tabs in the middle? i want to do some finishing passes with a different endmill afterwards
02:46 AM XXCoder: hmm that can be done but dunno
02:46 AM XXCoder: i guess you have to ensure that its strong enough
04:02 AM sensille: alternatively i could do the roughing with a ball endmill. is that a bad idea?
04:03 AM XXCoder: i would use endmill first maybe
04:04 AM XXCoder: then ball endmill 2 sizes if its some high resolution object
04:05 AM sensille: i'm trying to avoid changing tool more than necessary. so flat endmill first for roughing + contour with tabs
05:07 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:07 AM XXCoder: hey
05:48 AM Tom_L: morning
05:48 AM XXCoder: hey
05:50 AM Tom_L: 3F & 3 - 4"
05:51 AM Tom_L: Hi 4F
05:51 AM XXCoder: 30f
05:51 AM XXCoder: 8 inches and snowing
05:51 AM * Tom_L swipes a few of JT-Cave's logs
05:51 AM XXCoder: it wont last, next 3 days is sunny then rainy for rest of week
05:52 AM Tom_L: it's been one for the books here
05:52 AM XXCoder: same
05:53 AM XXCoder: its a decade snow, though last time ut happened was 2 years ago?!
05:53 AM XXCoder: -?
05:54 AM JT-Cave: you might get shot...
05:55 AM Tom_L: my coolant was froze in the shop yesterday
05:55 AM Tom_L: slushy
05:56 AM Tom_L: generally doesn't freeze out there
06:01 AM JT-Cave: looks like either the starter or solenoid is bad on Rusty which sucks when you can't start the truck and move into a building to work on it
06:02 AM Tom_L: :/
06:02 AM Tom_L: likely the solenoid
06:02 AM XXCoder: heh reminds me of that truck that come with big screwdriver. why? so we could connect soleoid
06:02 AM Tom_L: push it with the tractor?
06:02 AM XXCoder: hulk up
06:03 AM XXCoder: honestly it'd be tough to push in cold and icy weather
06:05 AM XXCoder: you got idea on way to get it in garage or in least get it to start?
06:07 AM JT-Cave: it's kinda tight in front of the garage door to the big shop still need to excavate some of the hill
06:47 AM JT-Cave: looking at the weather I might not work on it till late next week
06:48 AM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/34iHbWgAGWQ interesting
06:48 AM XXCoder: jt that sucks :(
06:50 AM JT-Cave: geez you gotta take the wheel and inner fender off to get to it
06:51 AM JT-Cave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la9r6eNtuDA
06:51 AM XXCoder: easy for shop, not so easy when truck cannot move to such
06:51 AM JT-Cave: high today is 11°F
06:52 AM sensille: why does this typically happen, and do i need to replace the endmill even if i can clean it completely? https://i.imgur.com/54LfY58.jpg
06:53 AM sensille: i rarely happened in the past, but it got much more frequent
06:53 AM XXCoder: breaking hm isnt that usually too fast
06:53 AM XXCoder: high rpm that is
06:53 AM JT-Cave: looks like a router bit...
06:54 AM sensille: i still use the feeds and speeds Loetmichel gave me, but i'll consult a calculator
06:54 AM JT-Cave: milling aluminum you must remove the heat by taking big chips
06:54 AM sensille: 24k RPM, so maybe it is too fast
06:54 AM Loetmichel: JT-Cave: you CANT take big chips with a 6040
06:54 AM Loetmichel: its not rigid enough
06:54 AM JT-Cave: depends on the aluminum type some are more gummy than others
06:54 AM XXCoder: motre coolanbt then
06:54 AM Loetmichel: and will flex into the cut
06:55 AM XXCoder: -t, -b
06:55 AM * JT-Cave had no clue what the machine was
06:55 AM * JT-Cave puts on his chicken suit
06:55 AM Loetmichel: at least i think sensille has a 6040
06:56 AM Loetmichel: my memory may be false
06:56 AM sensille: right
06:56 AM Loetmichel: sensille: if you have AlMg1 or worse: use a spray bottle with an alcohol/water mix for coolant
06:57 AM Loetmichel: that stuff is like butter, it will gunk up the mill bit in no time otherwise
06:57 AM Loetmichel: AlMg3 works well dry with the parameters i gave you though
06:57 AM Loetmichel: and NEVER use TiN clad mill bits on alu. it reacts with the alu and clogs up in no time
06:58 AM sensille: it should be 5083
06:58 AM Loetmichel: just a few of my experiences
06:58 AM Loetmichel: 5038 should be good to mill dry
06:58 AM Loetmichel: 5083
06:59 AM Loetmichel: 6061 is *brrr*
06:59 AM Loetmichel: to mill on those machines
06:59 AM Loetmichel: needs lots of coolant
07:00 AM sensille: tried that once :)
07:00 AM sensille: 24k RPM/1200mm/min, 0.2mm
07:00 AM sensille: the cut above
07:00 AM Loetmichel: try 0.15mm per round
07:00 AM Loetmichel: 0.2 is slightly to much in my experience
07:01 AM sensille: yeah
07:01 AM Loetmichel: for a 2mm mill bit
07:01 AM sensille: 3mm
07:01 AM Loetmichel: same
07:01 AM sensille: but that's my impression, too
07:01 AM Loetmichel: the bigger the bit gets the higher the forces
07:02 AM Loetmichel: the problem is the side forces that (spring) bend the gantry linear rails
07:02 AM Loetmichel: and cause the bit to "dig in"
07:02 AM sensille: in the long run i might need some cooling
07:02 AM Loetmichel: if one were to make a 6040 with SBR rails on the gantry and a big square tube behind it... THAT would improve the machine 10fold
07:04 AM sensille: hm. speeds and feeds calculator gives me 24k/1152. so that's nearly spot on
07:05 AM Loetmichel: gut feeling trumps calcualtors again it seems ;)
07:05 AM Loetmichel: or should i say experience?
07:06 AM Loetmichel: there is a reason i have a box with about 2kg of 1/8" shafts of broken tungsten carbide mill bits ;)
07:06 AM sensille: building up a gut feeling might be more expensive than using a calculator, though
07:06 AM Loetmichel: indeed
07:09 AM sensille: hm. i can't find the information that the sorotec endmills are indeed carbide
07:11 AM Loetmichel: they are
07:11 AM Loetmichel: you can feel it
07:12 AM Loetmichel: they are to heavy and not magnetic enough for HSS
07:12 AM sensille: good
07:12 AM sensille: and can i continue using that endmill?
07:12 AM sensille: it's easy to clean
08:00 AM * JT-Shop has every source of heat on...
08:05 AM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20210214_075209.jpg
08:06 AM skunkworks: -14 here
08:06 AM skunkworks: f
08:06 AM skunkworks: -25c
08:42 AM JavaBean: oh dear, it is 16f outside, 16c inside... the forecast said it was only supposed to hit 27f this morning
09:55 AM * Tom_L wonders why skunkworks is playing with toy train track
10:04 AM skunkworks: because - kids...
10:04 AM skunkworks: they actually 3d print pretty ok
10:10 AM Tom_L: so what's the harmonic drive gonna be for?
10:15 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, looks like a tight fit even with the fender off
10:16 AM Tom_L: if it's that difficult, may as well replace both starter and solenoid
12:10 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, yeah I'm not going to putz around with just changing the solenoid
12:10 PM Tom_L: everybody's tongue froze to the post?
12:11 PM Tom_L: haven't gotten alot of snow yet but it's blowing quite a bit
12:11 PM Tom_L: fine light snow
12:11 PM Tom_L: 1F
12:11 PM JT-Cave: no snow yet here just a heat wave 14°F
12:12 PM JT-Cave: I may drag the bullet heater out and start on Rusty after my nap
12:12 PM Tom_L: time for a polar plunge?
12:15 PM JT-Cave: time for a nap
12:15 PM Tom_L: meh, yeah maybe after lunch
01:14 PM _unreal_: so I'm going nutty trying to find the damn KEY switches
01:15 PM _unreal_: I purchased 2 of them in 2018, I found the base which is what I installed into the faceplate that I posted the photos of the other day
01:15 PM _unreal_: but I cant find the second onhe and I cant find any of the damn keys
01:15 PM _unreal_: pissing me off
01:16 PM _unreal_: oh I finally did it as well. as I have been going though everything trying to find them what ever the hell I did with them. I just took apart the two GPS devices I had. CAR gps. for the fuck of it
01:16 PM _unreal_: pulled the lion batteries etc....
01:16 PM _unreal_: its interesting. the garmin 330 I used in the truck I use to have for the longest time as mainly for seeing my speed
01:17 PM _unreal_: the speed on the dash was DOA
01:17 PM _unreal_: one day the damn thing dropped off the windshield and cracked the touch screen
01:17 PM _unreal_: 2-8 months later I got rid of the truck anyways
01:17 PM _unreal_: and that was 5 years ago
01:17 PM _unreal_: fuck 6 years ago
01:20 PM _unreal_: quite
01:20 PM _unreal_: quiet
01:27 PM _unreal_: well I'm about to purchase a new set of key switches JUST so I can find the missing one's
01:27 PM _unreal_: you know how that goes
01:44 PM lag: Is there a way to set-up '[TOOLSENSOR] Z' flexibly, such that it is less for shorter tools and more for longer ones?
01:44 PM lag: I assume it could take the Z value from the tool table some how?
01:44 PM lag: Switching from long drills to short end mills is currently very painful
01:46 PM Tom_L: setting the tool length offset?
01:46 PM Tom_L: you can't use the tool table for a z value until it has a z value
01:47 PM _unreal_: figures I walk away for a moment and you get to answer
01:47 PM _unreal_: sigh
01:48 PM miss0r: CNC lathe just took its first air chips
01:48 PM Tom_L: awesome
01:48 PM Tom_L: did they hit you in the eye?
01:48 PM miss0r: (operation that inclues a ball end of the round stock and a thread)
01:48 PM miss0r: nah - the acrylic lid was closed... .)
01:49 PM miss0r: I wish that one-eyes smiley was intented.. that would've been cool
01:50 PM W1N9Zr0: lag - are you using probe_screen_v2? sure, you can change the tool change script and apply the old tool length value to speed up probing
01:51 PM W1N9Zr0: https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen_v2/blob/master/macros/manual_change.ngc#L23
01:53 PM miss0r: I need to figure out how to adjust this lathe turret. its is somewhat out of whack.
01:53 PM _unreal_: air chips?
01:53 PM miss0r: the slots for the tooling does not follow the x-axis at all
01:53 PM W1N9Zr0: or probe_down.ngc if you're doing change and probe separately
01:53 PM miss0r: _unreal_: As in floating the tool over the workpeice, because of.. well being new and scary
01:53 PM _unreal_: heh
01:54 PM miss0r: that way you can catch something before it does a colission
01:54 PM _unreal_: I'm just trying to find my !@#%@#$%%@# keys for my key switches which I have lost ALLLLL of them
01:54 PM _unreal_: mind blowing
01:54 PM _unreal_: dont understand how
01:55 PM _unreal_: they where sitting on my desk for EVER
01:55 PM _unreal_: now that I need them MIA
01:55 PM miss0r: You've just put'em somewhere safe, so you wouldn't loose them
01:55 PM _unreal_: no I have not thats the thing
01:55 PM _unreal_: I found one key SWITCH on the floor under my desk
01:55 PM miss0r: if you find that illusive 'safe place' look for my wedding ring, while you are at it ;)
01:55 PM miss0r: lol
01:55 PM _unreal_: I know where my wedding well X wedding ring is
01:56 PM _unreal_: sitting near me in a draw
01:56 PM _unreal_: made the mistake of for the HELL of it putting it on last yea
01:56 PM _unreal_: year
01:56 PM _unreal_: took me 3 hours to get it off
01:56 PM miss0r: LOL
01:56 PM _unreal_: xwife gave back both rins
01:56 PM _unreal_: rings
01:56 PM _unreal_: and I got PRIMARY custody LOL
01:57 PM miss0r: well, due to a broken finger issue, I moved my ring from my right to my left hand. and as it happens me fingers on my left hand are slightly thinner than the ones on the right. I am afraid I've dropped it
01:57 PM miss0r: congrats :D
01:57 PM Tom_L: again?
01:57 PM miss0r: Tom_L: Nope
01:57 PM miss0r: same'ol
01:57 PM miss0r: wedding ring is still gone though
01:58 PM _unreal_: my fingers are just thick
01:58 PM _unreal_: always have been. prob beause I've always done agreessive hands on work
01:58 PM miss0r: I hear'ya
01:58 PM _unreal_: .... also prob why I wear out keyboards every two years
01:58 PM miss0r: but as it would seem, I've been the most aggresive with my right hand :D
01:58 PM miss0r: I wear out my PC mice
01:59 PM _unreal_: ? buttons or BALLS lol
01:59 PM miss0r: I buy 10 at a time.. and I buy them cheap because I just kill'em
01:59 PM miss0r: hehe buttons mostly
01:59 PM miss0r: they *ARE* equipped with some sort of optics
01:59 PM _unreal_: ya gone are the days off killing male mice
01:59 PM miss0r: Indeed
02:00 PM miss0r: (that one took me a second to get :D)
02:00 PM miss0r: damn. Looking at the explotion diagram of the turret - it does not seem like theres alot of adjustment to be had...
02:03 PM miss0r: https://imgur.com/a/DQpgemj <- the turret, if anyone wants to help take a look
02:04 PM miss0r: the drawing specifies that shims are used to make the tool level fit. That makes perfect sense, sure. but at the moment the drill/boring bar holes does not fit either. That is a bit more important that those round holes are on point
02:07 PM miss0r: looks like I might need to change that little locking plate or something
02:23 PM _unreal_: so I just spend the entire day so far trying to find my fucking key for my keyswitch
02:23 PM _unreal_: just found it
02:23 PM _unreal_: dawned on me I should look in my origianl servo conrol that I was building
02:23 PM _unreal_: and there it was
02:23 PM miss0r: so... in a safe place? :D
02:23 PM _unreal_: I found the switch on the floor under my desk
02:24 PM _unreal_: could not understand whyI could not find the key there as well
02:24 PM _unreal_: it was sitting in the shell for the servo controller I was building
02:24 PM _unreal_: the ve7it controller
02:24 PM _unreal_: which I will get backto at some point
02:24 PM _unreal_: when I do I'm going to build mock up setup so I can test the controllers and ifgure out where my error is
02:25 PM _unreal_: also I'm not pleased with the SHELL I had mounted the controllers I build in. piss poor access :(
02:25 PM _unreal_: need a larger controller
02:25 PM _unreal_: and that is whyI wear out key boiards
02:25 PM _unreal_: boards
02:25 PM _unreal_: type too fast
02:26 PM _unreal_: on the plus side I did clean my room a bit
02:27 PM miss0r: hehe that *IS* a plus side.
02:27 PM miss0r: I should do that more often
02:38 PM _unreal_: I have been going nutty trying to find that damn key
02:38 PM _unreal_: well now I got it
02:38 PM _unreal_: ! I should test that the key switch is working
02:40 PM _unreal_: just tested the keyswitch.... it works
02:57 PM JT-Shop: starter is out
03:05 PM roycroft: well i just recovered from yesterday's disasters
03:05 PM roycroft: i hooked up the power train on my bandsaw and was going to do the first power test
03:06 PM roycroft: usually when i get magnetic switches they come with power cord connectors, but this one did not
03:06 PM roycroft: i've never paid attention to the threads on the connectors before
03:06 PM roycroft: they're m22-1.5
03:06 PM roycroft: taper
03:07 PM roycroft: this is a teco mag switch, which is probably the most common one around, and i'm sure all my other ones have the same thread
03:07 PM roycroft: so i had to adapt that to 1/2 npt
03:07 PM roycroft: then my air compressor started making grinding noises
03:07 PM roycroft: on inspection i found the shaft key laying next to the compressor
03:08 PM roycroft: it was a pain the butt to clean up the sheave and motor shaft
03:22 PM _unreal_: cant believe it took me 2 days to find the damn key swithc keys
03:22 PM _unreal_: at least I got them now
03:22 PM _unreal_: sigh
03:22 PM _unreal_: well time to go do the 3 fking hour drive to get my daughter :(
03:52 PM CaptHindsight: skunkworks: are you posting your printed gear research on the forums?
04:54 PM JT-Shop: Rusty is back running... I'm frozen and tired
04:57 PM Tom_L: you had a starter?
04:57 PM Tom_L: obviously...
05:00 PM JT-Shop: O'Riley's had one
05:01 PM JT-Shop: I gotta get a bunch of push pins tomorrow, I had to destroy most of them getting them out as they were all frozen
05:06 PM Tom_L: yea i bet
05:08 PM JT-Shop: today has been damage control all day... all services have been returned to normal
05:08 PM Tom_L: just did the drive and showered
05:09 PM Tom_L: not really looking forward to tomorrow driving in this crap
05:10 PM XXCoder: hey all
05:10 PM Tom_L: hopefully it's done dumping although we didn't get near what they said
05:10 PM Tom_L: just blowing alot
05:13 PM XXCoder: it should rain here today
05:13 PM XXCoder: lets see heh
05:28 PM JT-Cave: long damn day here
05:29 PM Tom_L: sounds like it
05:29 PM XXCoder: long day is long. hopefully tomorrow will be better!
05:32 PM JT-Cave: start fires, make a new water bucket for the hens change the starter in Rusty
05:36 PM Roguish: HEY ALL
05:36 PM Roguish: hey all.
05:36 PM JT-Cave: an echo
05:36 PM Roguish: is pcw around
05:38 PM JavaBean: no one with that nick is hiding in here right now
05:38 PM JT-Cave: not on the user list
05:38 PM roycroft: we're having a seasonally average day, which is good, because i need paint to dry
05:38 PM roycroft: and it's not raining at the moment
05:38 PM roycroft: i'm trying to figure out where to mount an hour meter on my bandsaw
05:39 PM roycroft: which is hard to figure out when it's still half disassembled
05:39 PM JavaBean: can't paint around me, it doesn't dry well at 11f
05:39 PM roycroft: it's 10 degrees here
05:39 PM roycroft: the seasonal average high is 11
05:40 PM roycroft: 10 degrees outside means 15 degrees in the fabrication shop, where the painted parts are
05:40 PM JavaBean: its normally 11c around here
05:40 PM roycroft: so blame america for your coldness
05:40 PM roycroft: americans refuse to use sensible temperature units
05:41 PM bjorkint0sh: whaat? fahrenheit wasn't 'murrican was he?
05:41 PM * JavaBean grabs some popcorn
05:41 PM roycroft: no
05:42 PM roycroft: americans aren't about doing things that were invented in america
05:43 PM bjorkint0sh: well. NC and CN were definitely invented here!
05:43 PM bjorkint0sh: *CNC
05:43 PM roycroft: americans are about not changing things, even if the things don't make sense, and espeically if the change would be to something some other country uses
05:43 PM roycroft: esepcially france
05:43 PM JT-Cave: LOL
05:44 PM * JT-Cave watches chicken TV while relaxing for the day
05:45 PM roycroft: i mean, we would *never* use the delisle scale
05:46 PM bjorkint0sh: chicken tv? what the hell is that?
05:46 PM roycroft: at least celcius is swedish, so there's a chance we might start using it commonly some day
05:50 PM JT-Cave: I watch my chickens on my tv
05:50 PM JT-Cave: 6 chicken cameras 4 yard camera
05:50 PM Tom_L: what are those cluckers up to?
05:51 PM JT-Cave: slow to come outside in the morning
05:51 PM Tom_L: so am i
05:52 PM JT-Cave: I'm out there a bit after dawn cleaning up chicken poop
05:52 PM JT-Cave: hmm starting to snow now
05:53 PM Tom_L: all done here i hope
05:54 PM JT-Cave: pretty lite snow looking on one of the yard cams
05:54 PM Tom_L: all we got was light powder but it was heavy at times
05:54 PM * roycroft remembers "the adventures of chickenman" on wcf; show when he was a kid
05:54 PM roycroft: wcfl
05:54 PM Tom_L: still less than they predicted
05:55 PM roycroft: i bet it's on teh youtube now
05:55 PM roycroft: of course it is
05:55 PM roycroft: everything is on teh youtube now
05:56 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgMOOPxkYVk
05:56 PM roycroft: it's even been animated now!
06:00 PM * JT-Cave can't look no data left
06:04 PM * JT-Cave watched Captain Kangaroo and Mister Green Jeans
06:05 PM * Tom_L did too
06:05 PM JT-Cave: hmm my Mesa shipment is scheduled for tomorrow but they won't come down here
06:10 PM roycroft: i watched captain kangaroo as well
06:10 PM roycroft: i like mr. moose
06:11 PM JT-Cave: yep
06:11 PM Roguish: Capt K and Mr. Green Jeans were the best !!!!!!!!!!!
06:12 PM Roguish: with Rocky and Bullwinkle....
06:14 PM JT-Cave: hmm what was the girl who did the rabbit skit... Shirley?
06:15 PM JT-Cave: Boris and Natasha
06:18 PM JT-Cave: time to suit up and tuck the pullets in for the night
07:59 PM _unreal_: very upsetting wish I could find my ethernet jacks. I know I had some that I had recovered from some.... boards
07:59 PM _unreal_: just cant find any of them
07:59 PM _unreal_: :(
08:53 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08HX42NCB/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A13V85FAC27HJ0
08:53 PM _unreal_: ordering one of these
08:54 PM satiowadahc: That looks pretty handy
08:55 PM _unreal_: ordered it for the hell of it
08:55 PM _unreal_: also its one of the few that is 1600x zoom
08:56 PM _unreal_: planning on using it for SMD
08:56 PM _unreal_: smd soldering
08:58 PM Tom_L: a bit close for smt soldering
08:58 PM _unreal_: ?
08:58 PM satiowadahc: 50-1600 times I'm assuming there would be levels in between that
08:59 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/scope1.jpg
08:59 PM satiowadahc: I don't mind a 75x for 0402 smt components
08:59 PM Tom_L: 7x45 is more than enough
08:59 PM _unreal_: you need more screens
09:00 PM satiowadahc: Our one assembly uses a 150x. its quite crazy seeing her work
09:00 PM _unreal_: or keyboards
09:00 PM Tom_L: i have more
09:00 PM Tom_L: just not in that pic
09:00 PM satiowadahc: ibm mechanical keyboards?
09:01 PM _unreal_: just ordered RJ45 though hole connectors as well WTF I had a bunch all I can find right now are rj12's
09:01 PM _unreal_: I use to love the IBM clicky keyboards
09:01 PM _unreal_: I wear out soo many of them :(
09:01 PM roycroft: i just ordered the new festool sander edge guide - it's finally generally available
09:01 PM _unreal_: wish I still had one. I could type so fast on those because of the recoil
09:01 PM roycroft: i did not pre-order it last summer when it was announced, and virtually all product has gone to pre-orders since it was released
09:02 PM _unreal_: god a link?
09:02 PM _unreal_: I have a festool sander and VAC system
09:02 PM _unreal_: I have the CT-MIDI modle
09:02 PM _unreal_: model
09:02 PM roycroft: it's made for the ets 125 eq and similar
09:02 PM roycroft: https://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-205316-edge-sanding-guide-for-ets-etsc-125-sanders.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&msclkid=31985e1102e21819bc7d3e38e39311ba
09:03 PM roycroft: it works with the dts 400
09:03 PM roycroft: but it has to be the eq model - the older ones are missing some notches that are necessary
09:03 PM * roycroft has a midi extractor
09:04 PM roycroft: for me it's the perfect size
09:04 PM _unreal_: I have an OLD FYNE 8" DA sander as well
09:04 PM _unreal_: dont know the model off hand
09:04 PM _unreal_: and a fyne vac system
09:04 PM _unreal_: auto turn on
09:05 PM _unreal_: fein
09:06 PM _unreal_: looks like this one https://s3.amazonaws.com/finewoodworking.s3.tauntoncloud.com/app/uploads/2016/09/05185823/99929765-main.jpg
09:06 PM roycroft: i have several festool sanders - rotex 90, ets 125 req, ets ec 150 req, ras 115, and ls 130
09:06 PM _unreal_: dont feel like climbing up into the attic to find out for sure
09:07 PM roycroft: i still want to get a rotex 150
09:07 PM _unreal_: https://www.mikestools.com/Used-Power-Tools/Fein_Mol1200E.JPG
09:07 PM _unreal_: I have that one
09:08 PM roycroft: but then i'll be done with hand-held sanders
09:09 PM _unreal_: I cant believe I spent ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL damn day and found the stupid keys for my lock out switch for my laser etcher just before I left to get my daughter
09:09 PM _unreal_: went though EVERYTHING
09:09 PM _unreal_: at least I have it now
09:09 PM _unreal_: now all I have to do is build the final PCB
09:09 PM roycroft: i have a 6x80 edge sander, but i don't use it very often
09:10 PM roycroft: i'm hoping the festool edge guide will replace my need for the edge sander - it would be nice to sell it and get a little cash, but more importantly, recover some real estate in my shop
09:10 PM _unreal_: that will house the two relays for mains power and locking out the laser
09:10 PM roycroft: most of what i used that edge sander for was metal shaping, which i do on my 2x72 belt grinder now
09:11 PM roycroft: which is *way* more suited to that kind of work
09:11 PM _unreal_: I was going to say
09:11 PM _unreal_: hell I'd take a 4" grinder flap wheel over a DA for edge shaping
09:11 PM _unreal_: especially in bulk
09:12 PM _unreal_: on metal
09:12 PM roycroft: not only does the edge sander take up floor space, i've had to devote 2m of shelf space to storing abrasives for it
09:12 PM roycroft: i could fill that shelf space instantly with things that currently do not have good homes
09:13 PM roycroft: with all the abrasives i have, i should be able to get $650 for that machine
09:13 PM roycroft: and the edge guide cost me $100
09:14 PM roycroft: that puts $550 in my pocket
09:15 PM roycroft: https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-6-x-80-floor-model-edge-sander/g1140
09:15 PM roycroft: that is my edge sander
09:17 PM veegee_: OPzV/OPzS batteries seem interesting
09:17 PM veegee_: Not sure why I don't see them anywhere
09:17 PM veegee_: The specs of > 3,000 cycles at 50% DoD is damn impressive
09:17 PM veegee_ is now known as veegee
09:18 PM veegee: https://www.rollsbattery.com/battery/s2-224gel/
09:18 PM veegee: https://www.canbat.com/opzs-batteries/
09:28 PM JavaBean: hmmm, wind chill advisory until tommorrow noon.... wait, 25f below zero?!?!?
09:32 PM roycroft: it will stay well above freezing here tonight
09:32 PM roycroft: i was able to shoot clear on both sides of my parts today, so with the mild night i should be able to bring them inside the house tomorrow to finish curing
09:34 PM _unreal_: well I smell better, had a fire tonight out side
09:35 PM _unreal_: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717411349541683212/810680072797290546/16133515549862057816852055299815.jpg
09:35 PM _unreal_: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717411349541683212/810682972197355570/20210214_202409.mp4
09:37 PM Tom_L: -4F
09:37 PM _unreal_: I think its like 80f right now
09:37 PM _unreal_: :)
09:37 PM _unreal_: nope 75f
09:37 PM _unreal_: outside
09:38 PM _unreal_: the mango tree's have flowers on them now :)
09:38 PM _unreal_: yep sucks living in the tropics
09:38 PM bjorkint0sh: tropics? Miami?
09:38 PM _unreal_: did get down to 48f few weeks ago
09:38 PM _unreal_: I'm north of miami
09:39 PM _unreal_: like an hour north
09:39 PM bjorkint0sh: Tamarac?
09:39 PM bjorkint0sh: I used to live in Miami.
09:39 PM roycroft: we have daffodills and snowdrops up
09:40 PM _unreal_: I'm on the everglades
09:40 PM bjorkint0sh: it was fun comparing winter temperatures. but it was too expensive!
09:40 PM _unreal_: more or less
09:40 PM _unreal_: thats why I work on luxury yachts
09:40 PM bjorkint0sh: you repair them?
09:40 PM _unreal_: got to go where the money is
09:40 PM _unreal_: repair rebuild customize
09:40 PM _unreal_: what ever
09:41 PM roycroft: i used to build luxury yachts
09:41 PM roycroft: back in the '80s
09:41 PM bjorkint0sh: oh nice. how did you get into that? are you a diesel mechanic as well?
09:41 PM _unreal_: I use to build Hinckley yachts
09:41 PM roycroft: i was a shipwright
09:41 PM _unreal_: up in maine
09:41 PM roycroft: i did carpentry
09:41 PM roycroft: not motor stuff
09:41 PM _unreal_: I dont do mootor stuff ether
09:41 PM _unreal_: everything else though
09:42 PM roycroft: it was a great experience
09:42 PM roycroft: there are no straight lines on boats
09:42 PM _unreal_: sure there are
09:42 PM roycroft: straightedges and squares are useless
09:42 PM _unreal_: the center line
09:42 PM roycroft: everything gets scribed in
09:42 PM roycroft: i learned a lot of new woodworking skills and techniques in those days that i still use today
09:43 PM _unreal_: off a blumbbob
09:45 PM bjorkint0sh: the center line. funny. I've never worked on a boat.
09:45 PM _unreal_: bjorkint0sh, I get so much good stuff from the yachts its scary
09:45 PM _unreal_: bjorkint0sh, I'm not kidding
09:45 PM _unreal_: the only true line is the center line and you work off of that
09:45 PM _unreal_: most MFG... have a setup where they run a tight line down the center of the mold
09:46 PM bjorkint0sh: good stuff like what?
09:46 PM _unreal_: OR the hull if it has been hatched from the mold.
09:47 PM _unreal_: then they PITCH the hull to be at the perfect height
09:47 PM _unreal_: once the line is pulled tight a plumb bob will land where you need it
09:47 PM _unreal_: that way you can locate everything mark it up
09:47 PM _unreal_: then start attaching and building stuff
09:47 PM roycroft: _unreal_ is usually wrong about almost everything, but he's correct that everything in a boat is built off the centerline
09:48 PM _unreal_: o,O
09:48 PM _unreal_: I am a master boat builder
09:48 PM roycroft: i would come in after the hull was molded, the engine and drivetrain installed, and the deck installed
09:49 PM _unreal_: noting like trying to guide a bunch of dopes to do an infusion FRP SETUP
09:49 PM roycroft: but i did a lot of work fitting things right to the fiberglass hull
09:50 PM _unreal_: I'm just not a high voltage electrician or motor guy
09:50 PM _unreal_: pattern and trim
09:50 PM _unreal_: match it up curse it out. trim some more
09:51 PM _unreal_: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717411349541683212/809216108867354655/16130025328296950795950289970871.jpg
10:52 PM roycroft: i just found a good deal on a beam saw on cl
10:52 PM roycroft: i've been wanting one for years - i really could have used one last summer when i was building my workbench
10:53 PM roycroft: and it's from a non-profit that has a tool lending library, so my money will go to a good cause
10:55 PM roycroft: my tool budget for march is blown now
10:55 PM roycroft: but the saw is 1/4 the price of a new one
10:55 PM roycroft: so i kind of have to get it
10:57 PM XXCoder: nice
10:59 PM roycroft: yeah
10:59 PM roycroft: it has a 15" blade
10:59 PM roycroft: 5-3/4" depth of cut
11:03 PM JavaBean: remember to count to 10 after every cut
11:04 PM * roycroft has been able to count to 10 every time all his life, and does not intend to change that
11:05 PM JavaBean: its a good habit to have
11:06 PM roycroft: the saw comes with three blades even
11:06 PM roycroft: 15" blades are about $150 each
11:06 PM * JavaBean waves in the general direction of the channel, mutters something like "goodnight"
11:07 PM roycroft: ciaoder
11:11 PM bjorkint0sh: roycroft, what model is the saw?
11:11 PM roycroft: it's a ryobi w-180
11:11 PM roycroft: pretty old, but it is supposed to be in good shape, and has a spare set of brushes
11:12 PM roycroft: i'll probably use it a handful of times per year, so i'm not too worried about burning it up
11:13 PM roycroft: i actually have to some fence mending this spring, and being able to crosscut 4x4s in a single pass will be nice