#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 06 2021

01:29 AM Deejay: moin
02:54 AM veegee_: Deejay what's a moin?
02:54 AM veegee_ is now known as veegee
02:56 AM XXCoder: its short for morning i think
03:47 AM Deejay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin
03:47 AM Deejay: its not limited to morning ;)
05:04 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:05 AM XXCoder: hey
06:04 AM veegee: Going to add a bunch of 120mm server fans to my 600V - 208Y120V transformers so I can overload them a little bit
06:05 AM veegee: I have one that's rated for 30kVA and another that's rated for 45kVA
06:05 AM veegee: High voltage is so awesome, I hate our shitty 120V standard
06:07 AM veegee: I'm redoing the electrical in my workshop and upgrading everything to use 10 gauge wire so I can run 30A and converting most of the power outlets to 240V
06:08 AM veegee: For the few odd power tools that need 120V, I'll just put small local step down transformers to get the 120V
06:09 AM veegee: I honestly don't know why we use 120V instead of 240V like Europe. Is it for safety reasons? Because both are deadly. Does a shock from 120VAC give you more a chance to survive than a shock from 240VAC?
06:10 AM veegee: Also found out that most industrial units are just using the very common NEMA L14-30 for everything including 3 phase 240V, 3 phase 480V, 3 phase 600V even though you're definitely not supposed to
06:11 AM veegee: But the other NEMA twist lock outlets are several times as expensive and harder to obtain whereas L14-30 can even be bought at the local hardware store, or very cheap online
06:12 AM veegee: So I guess that's what I'll do as well with very very clear labels on what the actual output voltage is
06:44 AM Tom_L: morning
06:45 AM XXCoder: hey
06:51 AM JT-Cave: installed debian 10 on a new asus mb with a ssd and when it boots up I see the log in prompt for a second then nothing but a blinking cursor...
06:55 AM JT-Cave: ctrl alt f2 gets me to the log in prompt...
06:55 AM XXCoder: sounds like x is broken or something
06:55 AM JT-Cave: same dvd has been used to install debian 10 in other pc's with no issue
06:56 AM XXCoder: i had that odd issue. i just reinstalled
06:56 AM JT-Cave: I've done that about 6 times...
06:56 AM JT-Cave: time to be a chicken tender...
06:57 AM XXCoder: if cd is known to be fine, it might be drive thats broken and misreading data
06:57 AM XXCoder: or hard drive is mangling data
06:57 AM XXCoder: *or ssd
07:09 AM JT-Cave: can't get it to boot from a hdd but the bios can read the smart thing of the hdd
07:10 AM JT-Cave: doing an apt dist-upgrade to see if that helps
07:13 AM XXCoder: I would try different cd drive too
07:13 AM XXCoder: see if it installs properly
07:19 AM JT-Cave: the OS is installed and I can log in with ctrl alt f2 just no X, the graphical install works fine so I know it's not an issue with the display
07:19 AM JT-Cave: kinda puzzling
07:20 AM XXCoder: yeah. thats why I suspect something went wrong on install. since it repeats its likely dvd drive being misread sometimes, or hard drive issue
07:20 AM JT-Cave: I've seen some comments about lightdm in a race condition with the ssd
07:20 AM XXCoder: or ssd id thats where you install os to
07:21 AM JT-Cave: hmm I've not tried to boot to a live image yet after dist-upgrade I'll try that
07:22 AM XXCoder: if live image boot have it, have a system check
07:22 AM JT-Cave: downloading all the different desktops too
07:25 AM JT-Cave: I prob should not be downloading two debian live iso's and doing dist-upgrade at the same time... can't do any google searching due to timeout lol
07:26 AM XXCoder: lol
07:33 AM JT-Cave: apt dist-upgrade did download a bunch of updates...
07:33 AM XXCoder: yeah install media instantly gets out of date as soon as you make it ;)
07:56 AM JT-Cave: no change
07:58 AM XXCoder: i guessed it wouldnt
07:58 AM JT-Cave: systemctl status lightdm shows it failed
07:59 AM XXCoder: might be this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#LightDM_does_not_appear_or_monitor_only_displays_TTY_output
08:00 AM JT-Cave: interesting
08:10 AM JT-Cave: got a login prompt after adding that
08:11 AM JT-Cave: systemctl says lightdm is active but no display yet
08:11 AM XXCoder: getting there
08:11 AM XXCoder: live boot usually use generic drivers good enough to run on basically any system
08:12 AM XXCoder: but install needs specific drivers. i wonder if yours need that installed to work
08:12 AM JT-Cave: going to try the live image in a bit getting some fires going
08:36 AM JT-Cave: so far no luck
09:48 AM JT-Cave: I actually have a mouse with lubuntu 19
09:48 AM Tom_L: progress
09:48 AM JT-Cave: hmm lubuntu 19 booted up to the desktop
10:06 AM perry_j1987: hows it going today guys
10:07 AM JT-Cave: not well so far for a week now trying to get debian installed on a pc
10:07 AM Tom_L: better than JT-Cave :)
10:08 AM Tom_L: what changed?
10:08 AM JT-Cave: at least I got pu lbuntu 19 to run
10:08 AM JT-Cave: nothing, it's a new pc with a ssd
10:08 AM JT-Cave: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4nnNg7Vq3T/
10:10 AM Tom_L: huh
10:13 AM Tom_L: did you try putting another good debian buster ssd in it to see if it might be a hardware issue?
10:13 AM Tom_L: long shot...
10:17 AM JT-Cave: I don't have any SSD
10:17 AM JT-Cave: 's only HDD's
10:22 AM perry_j1987: whats it doing
10:32 AM Tom_L: you might try a hhd just to see
10:32 AM Tom_L: rust buckets are nearly a thing of the past
11:33 AM JT-Cave: it won't boot from a hdd
11:35 AM JT-Cave: I think I'll debian live standard without x11
11:50 AM JT-Cave: wow over half of my data is gone...
11:50 AM bjorkintosh: JT-Cave, no backups?
11:50 AM bjorkintosh: https://cs448m.github.io/lectures/cam/scientificamerican0952-101.pdf
12:04 PM JT-Cave: bjorkintosh, sat data
12:12 PM Tom_L: snow.
12:22 PM Tom_L: that was before potter & brumfield joined
12:35 PM JT-Cave: looks like wintery mix here tonight or frozen slush
12:36 PM Tom_L: i don't think much will stick
12:36 PM Tom_L: but it's gonna get alot colder after this
12:36 PM JT-Cave: yup
12:41 PM bjorkintosh: Tom_L, what about potter and brumfield? what was their contribution?
12:42 PM Tom_L: the pdf mentioned them
12:43 PM Tom_L: potter anyway
01:31 PM miss0r: Would any of you happen to know the name of a specific wire label type I am looking for? its like two labels which are self adhesive on the back. these two are joined by a thin plastic reinforced strip, so bend around a wire and stick the two labels together back to back. I've seen a sort back in the day that you could wire on with a pen, and place on realy thin wires
01:32 PM miss0r: almost like this, just with a regular paper finish: https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Label-Sheets-Labels-White-Self-adhesive/dp/B011405IT2
01:32 PM W1N9Zr0: flag
01:33 PM miss0r: flag label/ wire flag?
01:33 PM W1N9Zr0: yeah, flag labels
01:33 PM miss0r: it would seem most of those are only for use in regular printers/other hand held labeling machines
01:34 PM miss0r: perhaps a "manual" edition is not a thing anymore :
01:34 PM miss0r: :) *
01:36 PM miss0r: and the ones I can find are somewhat large :D I was looking for something suitable to wrap onto an 28awg
01:36 PM bjorkintosh: is it the dymo?
01:36 PM Tom_L: https://www.bradyid.com/wire-cable-labels/flags
01:37 PM W1N9Zr0: label machines just have a cable flag or cable wrap modes now
01:37 PM Tom_L: miss0r, i printed on regular labels and cut them
01:37 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/breadboard_basic_side.jpg
01:37 PM miss0r: Tom_L: Thats so simple I feel like an idiot for not thinking about that ;D
01:37 PM Tom_L: sometimes shrinkwrap with clear
01:38 PM JT-Cave: damn new phone had the wifi turned on...
01:38 PM miss0r: Indeed. usualy I use these selfsealing labels. but using that on 28awg seems like a fools errand
01:38 PM Tom_L: sucking your data dry ehh?
01:39 PM JT-Cave: yup
01:39 PM bjorkintosh: it was phoning home.
03:46 PM enleth: https://i.imgur.com/R6EcNM4.jpg this setup us a wee bit sketchy
03:47 PM enleth: bur thar's what you get to do when you repair a mill with no second mill
03:48 PM Tom_L: looks legit to me :)
03:51 PM enleth: well, it cuts
03:51 PM enleth: a little chattery, but nothing serious
03:54 PM Tom_L: part might be sticking out a bit far
03:59 PM enleth: also, the fucking moron at bridgeport who designed this gib would owe me a big time, if not for the fact that he's probably long dead by now
04:01 PM enleth: seriously, all that adjustment screw needed was a semicircular cutout in the side - but they put in a massive notch with sharp internal corners that make for textbook stress risers
04:03 PM perry_j1987: well i got stuck watching clickspring videos most of today so far heh
04:52 PM lag: So I just set-up the tool-change position on my machine - works really nicely
04:53 PM lag: However, I it seems that I cannot change the Z height/re-touch-off during a tool-change
04:53 PM lag: What am I missing?
04:54 PM JT-Cave: while running a program you can't touch off except by g code
04:56 PM lag: So how can manual tool-changes occur?
04:57 PM JT-Cave: if you have touched off each tool and you have repeatable tool holders you just change the tool
04:57 PM JT-Cave: otherwise break up your g code into a file for each tool
04:58 PM JT-Cave: or have an electronic tool length sensor and set the tool length with it in g code
04:58 PM JT-Cave: hmm snowing now
04:58 PM Tom_L: not here :)
04:58 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man1/hal_manualtoolchange.1.html
04:59 PM lag: JT-Cave: Okay, none of those solutionws
04:59 PM lag: Balls!
05:00 PM Tom_L: are you using manualtoolchange?
05:00 PM lag: JT-Cave: Okay, none of those solutions sounds adequate
05:00 PM JT-Cave: I think he wants to jog and touch off while paused
05:00 PM Tom_L: i preset all my tools and just change them
05:00 PM Tom_L: mmm
05:00 PM JT-Cave: if you can then you're good to go
05:00 PM lag: That only works if your tools are repeatable
05:01 PM JT-Cave: I do the same on the BP knee mill
05:01 PM Tom_L: yup
05:01 PM JT-Cave: correct
05:01 PM lag: I have a deep spindle, with short end-mills and a collet
05:02 PM lag: Setting Z whilst paused seems ideal?
05:02 PM lag: i.e. re-touching off on Z
05:03 PM Tom_L: you maybe could do that then 'run from line'
05:03 PM lag: That does sound like it 'may work' - it also sounds like a hack :D
05:03 PM JT-Cave: ideal only if you position the end of the tool exactly where it was
05:04 PM Tom_L: i generally use that on a tool change or a move i know will reposition the cutter
05:04 PM JT-Cave: two solutions break the program up by tool or fit a tool setter and set the z in g code
05:04 PM lag: I'm going to have to go away and think about this
05:04 PM lag: I don't think I can pre-set my tools
05:05 PM lag: So I may have to purchase a tool-probe
05:05 PM lag: I thought it would be possible simply by re-touching Z
05:05 PM JT-Cave: with that you can do a manual tool change and after that a tool length probe
05:06 PM JT-Cave: that's not possible while paused
05:06 PM lag: So I see
05:06 PM lag: My question is; is that a S/W limitation, or is there a reason why this is not physically possible?
05:07 PM lag: Seems logical in my uninformed mind
05:07 PM JT-Cave: I guess it's a issue with the motion planner
05:07 PM JT-Cave: that's above my pay grade
05:08 PM JT-Cave: it's basically a queue buster for motion
05:08 PM JT-Cave: so simply break your g code up by tool
05:11 PM roycroft: well that was productive
05:11 PM * JT-Cave didn't get much done today just worked on the bar clamp rack
05:11 PM roycroft: i shuffled some stuff around in my fabrication shop and moved a couple things to a different outbuilding, and made room to set up a table for shooting paint
05:12 PM roycroft: now i can paint two parts in a go instead of one
05:12 PM JT-Cave: painting the bandsaw?
05:12 PM roycroft: yes
05:12 PM roycroft: and i was looking at the end of the month before i finished, given the weather and the number of operations to do on each part
05:12 PM roycroft: now i've cut that time in half
05:13 PM JT-Cave: I should get the T&T varnish oil by end of next week I hope
05:13 PM roycroft: cool
05:13 PM JT-Cave: then I can fasten the bench top down to the frame
05:13 PM roycroft: i'm about to run some errands, but when get back i need to heat up the glue pot so i can warm up some varnish oil
05:14 PM JT-Cave: I have some 4" fittings on the way to make a manifold for my dust collection, just need to figure out blast gates
05:14 PM roycroft: and i'm about to chicken out
05:15 PM roycroft: i need to make some 1/2" doors for the bandsaw stand, but i don't have any 1/2" mdf
05:15 PM roycroft: i have 5/8" mdf
05:15 PM roycroft: i was just about to go run it through the thicknesser
05:15 PM roycroft: but i think instead i'll go pick up a quarter sheet of 1/2" when i'm out on errands
05:15 PM JT-Cave: wow let me hold your beer while you do that
05:16 PM JT-Cave: and take a video
05:16 PM roycroft: oh, it will work just fine
05:16 PM roycroft: but i think the cost of the wear on the inserts would be greater than the cost of the quarter sheet
05:17 PM roycroft: and i just rotated the inserts a short while ago
05:17 PM JT-Cave: I would have never tried running MDF through the planer
05:17 PM roycroft: i *could* rotate them back to the dull edges for just this, but that would take two and a half hours
05:17 PM roycroft: and then another 2 1/2 hours to rotate them back
05:17 PM JavaBean: where will the stream be posted, i wanna see this too
05:17 PM roycroft: *way* cheaper to go buy a quarter sheet
05:17 PM roycroft: with straight knives it would be sketchy
05:18 PM roycroft: but with the helical insert head it would work fine
05:18 PM roycroft: the surface would not be that great
05:18 PM roycroft: i'd have to spend a lot of time sanding it
05:19 PM roycroft: so again, cheaper to go buy the 1/2" quarter sheet
05:19 PM JT-Cave: yea I was wondering about the surface finish after planing it
05:19 PM JavaBean: drat, i was hoping to see a 'hold my beer' situation
05:19 PM roycroft: as well, mdf often has hidden bits of metal in it
05:19 PM roycroft: so even more cutter damage potential
05:22 PM roycroft: i could use my drum sander, but that would take the rest of the weekend
05:24 PM JT-Cave: even longer on mine it's just a bit anemic with only 1 3/4 HP
05:25 PM * JT-Cave watches chicken TV
05:26 PM roycroft: mine is 1hp
05:27 PM JT-Cave: how wide of a drum?
05:27 PM roycroft: i'd be able to take off about 0.005" or so in a go with a wide panel
05:27 PM roycroft: 18"
05:28 PM roycroft: a drum sander really isn't made for thicknessing
05:28 PM JT-Cave: no
05:28 PM roycroft: in my mind there's no drum sander vs. thicknesser argument
05:28 PM roycroft: it's thicknesser, then drum sander
05:28 PM JT-Cave: aye
05:28 PM roycroft: or thicknesser to handplane or hand finish sanders
05:37 PM JT-Cave: wow all the chickens went to the correct place for once I only have to make one trip out to the coops to lock them up
05:40 PM _unreal_: I am discovering I sold my self short on my wires for the laser etcher after finishing the last of the mods. SIGH.... nothing like waisting time extending wires
05:40 PM enleth: https://i.imgur.com/qaFkvNM.jpg done (except a new retaining plate)
05:41 PM _unreal_: wish I could find my @#%@#$@!#$#@$% key switch
05:51 PM JT-Cave: I'd look but my phone used 1/2 of my data for the month... dunno what it was doing
05:52 PM JT-Cave: hmm I wonder if I took the hose off the hose bib or not
06:02 PM Tom_L: enleth, looks a little better than the last pic
07:29 PM * flyback bites buzzmarshall
07:29 PM flyback: EH?_HOLE
07:30 PM enleth: https://i.imgur.com/cMtj4ld.jpg and it's done
07:30 PM enleth: not super pretty, but fits where it needs to fit
07:31 PM flyback: better than I could do enleth
07:31 PM * flyback can't even draw a straight line
07:32 PM flyback: if the looks bugs you
07:32 PM flyback: make a cnc sanding/polishing machine
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: cnc hockey stick polisher
07:33 PM flyback: im serious
07:33 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, you find any more about that gcode logging?
07:33 PM flyback: you could probably make a polishing machine out of a printer parts
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: poutine finisher leveler
07:33 PM flyback: 80 floppies imaged
07:34 PM flyback: pribably another 150 to go
07:34 PM Tom_L: why?
07:34 PM * flyback fingers are tired from sharpies
07:34 PM flyback: because one might just have the bbs and irc logs I lost 20 yrs ago
07:34 PM flyback: built a dedicated floppy and cd/dvd imaging box out of a old atom itx board
07:34 PM flyback: also built 2 hard drive imaging boxes
07:34 PM flyback: but done with the first pass of 200 hd's with those
07:35 PM flyback: next step requires taking 40 dead drives apart to get them working enough to image
07:35 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: was the closest I found so far http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/python-interface.html#_the_tt_linuxcnc_positionlogger_tt_type
07:35 PM CaptHindsight: think you found that as well
07:35 PM Tom_L: yeah
07:35 PM Tom_L: i'd never heard of a thing like that
07:38 PM flyback: how you been Tom_L ?
07:38 PM Tom_L: i survived 2020
07:38 PM flyback: yeah me too
07:38 PM flyback: dad will be safe in 10 day or so
07:38 PM flyback: I don't give a canuck if I caught it and died
07:39 PM flyback: but worry about mom and dad
07:40 PM flyback: Tom_L, do you watch hydrolic press channel
07:40 PM Tom_L: no
07:40 PM flyback: his lathe threw a bearing the other day
07:40 PM flyback: lemme find it
07:50 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9el1GI4gUxk
07:51 PM flyback: *CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
07:51 PM * flyback looks around for rue_mohr to rub on the video
07:51 PM Tom_L: pretty sure i did see that one
07:53 PM flyback: sure chewed the hell out of the work piece
07:57 PM flyback: what do you guys like for a cheap capiper if I don't need more than say mm or measureing screws etc
07:57 PM roycroft: if you only need mm granularity then your eyeballs should be sufficient :)
07:58 PM Tom_L: i usually have a pair of HF calipers somewhere on the bench
07:59 PM Tom_L: and thread gages to make sure what flavor the screw is
07:59 PM roycroft: hf digital calipers are very expensive
08:00 PM roycroft: i hope yours isn't battery powered
08:00 PM Tom_L: and get treated as such
08:00 PM Tom_L: it is but still has the original battery
08:00 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEk96zk4TQ
08:00 PM flyback: ever seen a cnc machine throw a rod?
08:00 PM flyback: :P
08:00 PM roycroft: i suppose if you take the battery out every time you finish using it it might be ok
08:01 PM flyback: yeah I heard some of the cheap $10 ones are decent but they destroy batteries
08:01 PM flyback: I can live with that for as much as I need a caliper
08:01 PM roycroft: i've purchased two from hf
08:01 PM roycroft: both sit idle, because i can't afford to feed them
08:01 PM flyback: well they have a serial bus dude for measuring
08:01 PM flyback: should be a vcc line there too
08:01 PM flyback: make a usb adaptor
08:01 PM Tom_L: flyback, a local cnc shop here lost a flycutter that went thru 2-3 concrete walls, destroying everything in it's path
08:02 PM flyback: ouch
08:02 PM roycroft: i've had my mitutoyo for a couple years now, and i use it daily
08:02 PM roycroft: it's still on the original battery
08:02 PM flyback: luckily no one was hit
08:02 PM Tom_L: took a kurt vise off the table like it was butter
08:02 PM roycroft: that must have been a decent size flycutter
08:02 PM Tom_L: it ended up in another room of the shop
08:02 PM roycroft: sounds like an impressive disaster
08:02 PM flyback: I bet anyone in the building shit their pants
08:03 PM flyback: from the sound of that noise
08:03 PM Tom_L: roycroft, it was huge and they accidentally programmed 10k rpm instead of 1k
08:03 PM roycroft: holy moly
08:03 PM flyback: OUCH
08:03 PM Tom_L: probably 1' cutter
08:03 PM Tom_L: it was on yt for a tiny bit but removed
08:03 PM roycroft: flycutters are about the most unbalanced tooling there is
08:03 PM flyback: I bet that cnc machine was a total loss
08:04 PM Tom_L: it ripped the shit out of the kurt vise
08:04 PM flyback: or needed a entire new spindle
08:04 PM flyback: at least
08:04 PM Tom_L: went thru a folding chair in front of the cnc and kept right on going
08:04 PM * hazzy-m was summoned
08:04 PM flyback: that would have killed someone instantely
08:04 PM roycroft: or at least maimed the person
08:04 PM hazzy-m: Oh, the Kurt vise lol
08:04 PM Tom_L: and a few other things along the way
08:04 PM roycroft: depending on where it it
08:05 PM roycroft: it would not have put someones eye out
08:05 PM Tom_L: they were very lucky
08:05 PM roycroft: it would have put a hole in their skull
08:05 PM Tom_L: if it hit anybody they'd never know it
08:05 PM roycroft: if they were lucky
08:06 PM Tom_L: that was about a year ago now i think
08:06 PM roycroft: if it only went through a limb they would have known it shortly thereafter, and for along time
08:06 PM * roycroft makes a note to never make that mistake
08:06 PM Tom_L: it tore the vise right off the table and destroyed it
08:08 PM roycroft: shredded kurt would be a very sad sight
08:08 PM roycroft: impressive, but sad
08:09 PM Tom_L: after it did that it went thru all those walls too
08:09 PM Tom_L: finally found it in a corner of the shop in another room stuck in the back wall
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: this thesis also refers to the mode but it's in Portuguese https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324065133_Retrofitting_of_Asea_IRB6-S2_Industrial_Robot_Using_Numeric_Control_Technologies_Based_on_LINUXCNC_and_MACH3-MATLAB
08:10 PM roycroft: i had a fairly large router bit go on unscheduled walkabout once, about 40 years ago
08:11 PM roycroft: it flew across the room and put a dent in the wall, but it did not destroy anything
08:11 PM roycroft: and it was spinning at 24,000rpm
08:11 PM flyback: wow
08:11 PM roycroft: it did not weigh nearly as much as a flycutter
08:11 PM roycroft: and it was well-balanced
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: he wrote a Python script to capture the motion
08:13 PM Tom_L: nice
08:17 PM flyback: it's amazing how well this fluxengine tool works
08:18 PM flyback: just adding a mcu between a floppy drive with a pc running special signal analyseing software
08:19 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Lzw0VBu-I
08:20 PM Tom_L: it was a flycutter like the one here
08:20 PM Tom_L: to give you an idea
08:20 PM Tom_L: actually i think that's it
08:21 PM flyback: yeah I was about to say
08:22 PM flyback: HOLY SHIT
08:24 PM Tom_L: i thought that first divider wall was block too..
08:26 PM flyback: gesus
08:26 PM flyback: that would have been a 0 survivable hit
08:26 PM flyback: unless it just got a limb
08:26 PM flyback: with the amount of metal shavings, no wonder it does erratic things
08:26 PM flyback: sheesh
08:26 PM snaked: I've seen shotgun slugs get stopped by less material.
08:27 PM flyback: ok that video is doing weird shit
08:27 PM flyback: there's like another video or controls under it
08:27 PM flyback: I don't think it likes my script and ad blocking
08:28 PM flyback: oh I see
08:28 PM flyback: someone recordeded watching the video
08:32 PM beachbumpete1: Hey folks howzitgoin?
08:33 PM Tom_L: good
08:33 PM roycroft: so i've clearcoated the inside of my lower wheel cover, andhave primer on both sides of the lower machine casting
08:33 PM roycroft: progress!
08:34 PM beachbumpete1: man I finally got my daughter's new PC working
08:35 PM Tom_L: beachbumpete1, been a learning experience ehh?
08:35 PM beachbumpete1: honestly I have built a few PC's over the years
08:35 PM Tom_L: same
08:35 PM beachbumpete1: but it turned out that the monitor I loaned her, a dell
08:35 PM beachbumpete1: does not play nice with the AMD chipset
08:36 PM Tom_L: hmm
08:36 PM beachbumpete1: or rather the GPU's
08:36 PM beachbumpete1: radeon
08:36 PM beachbumpete1: I only have two monitors here
08:36 PM beachbumpete1: both are the same Dell 32 inch
08:36 PM beachbumpete1: for my office/personal desktop
08:36 PM beachbumpete1: I put a brand new MSI gaming motherboard in the machine
08:37 PM beachbumpete1: brand new 32gb ram sticks
08:37 PM beachbumpete1: basically everything was new
08:37 PM beachbumpete1: but it would not post nor give me video no matter what i did
08:37 PM beachbumpete1: Finally I had to give up and take it to my friend who is a PC repair guy
08:38 PM beachbumpete1: he said he scratched his head for awhile with it too
08:38 PM flyback: what was the issue
08:38 PM beachbumpete1: he had it a week
08:38 PM beachbumpete1: like I said the monitor would not work with the GPD
08:38 PM beachbumpete1: GPU
08:38 PM flyback: ah
08:38 PM flyback: seen weirdness like that before
08:38 PM beachbumpete1: once he tried another monitor it fired right up
08:38 PM flyback: I have two data recovery boxes
08:39 PM beachbumpete1: then oddly enough he was able to reflash the bios on the GPU
08:39 PM flyback: I don't use the onboard ide port because the bios whines when I do or don't have a drive attached to it
08:39 PM flyback: so I use pci-ide cards
08:39 PM beachbumpete1: and it started to work with the Dell monitor
08:39 PM flyback: I have drives that will stop the box from posting
08:39 PM flyback: even though it's not onboard ide
08:39 PM * flyback blames puff
08:39 PM beachbumpete1: now the only issue it has
08:39 PM beachbumpete1: is the new harddrive we bought is not being acknowledgeed
08:40 PM beachbumpete1: its a 2tb HDD
08:40 PM flyback: hd or ssd
08:40 PM flyback: oh hd
08:40 PM flyback: hmm
08:40 PM beachbumpete1: I THINK it is because I need to swap the connectors on the MSI board
08:40 PM beachbumpete1: the SDD has windows on it and that works fine
08:40 PM flyback: did you try the hd in another pc
08:40 PM beachbumpete1: but there are four ports for drives
08:40 PM beachbumpete1: its brand new
08:40 PM beachbumpete1: it had better work
08:40 PM flyback: also check to see if the ports are configured for raid mode and it's not trying to combine them
08:40 PM beachbumpete1: LOL
08:40 PM flyback: uh
08:41 PM flyback: I had a new rma drive last 5 hrs dude
08:41 PM flyback: shit happens
08:41 PM _unreal_: oh my fucking GOD I want interuptions to stop
08:41 PM beachbumpete1: It is just a secondary HDD
08:41 PM _unreal_: I cant believe how delayed I am on this @#%@#%$ laser etcher construction
08:42 PM Tom_L: roycroft, did you see the flycutter?
08:42 PM beachbumpete1: I am sitting here watching my TronXY X5SA-400 3D printer making my Mandalorian Razor Crest half
08:42 PM Tom_L: rather largish
08:42 PM beachbumpete1: it took a bit to get this thing working again after my board upgrades etc
08:42 PM beachbumpete1: and I tied the Z axis screws together with a timing belt setup
08:43 PM beachbumpete1: should have done that a LONG time ago
08:43 PM beachbumpete1: it has been sitting in my room covered with RC parts for a week or two
08:43 PM beachbumpete1: brought it out, dusted it off, fired it up, homed it, and its exactly where it was before...NICE
08:44 PM beachbumpete1: I used to have to use 123 blocks to set the table level rough to the frame then fine tune it
08:44 PM beachbumpete1: the whole reason I did all of this was to be able to add a laser diode to this thing
08:44 PM beachbumpete1: so I can cut and engrave stuff with it
08:44 PM Tom_L: you ever build that guitar?
08:45 PM beachbumpete1: which one?
08:45 PM Tom_L: the one you were cncing
08:45 PM beachbumpete1: honestly I bought a SWEET electric guitar and a very nice acoustic guitar recently
08:45 PM beachbumpete1: and it has been mostly just playing those things
08:46 PM Tom_L: i knew you'd gotten one after that
08:46 PM beachbumpete1: I am still kinda working on the kit version of that guitar I was working on
08:46 PM beachbumpete1: still needs a bunch of work tho.
08:48 PM beachbumpete1: been really struggling with the 3D point cloud scan to solid model stuff
08:49 PM Tom_L: still?
08:49 PM beachbumpete1: yeah man its all new to me
08:49 PM Tom_L: well i haven't tried any so i have no room to talk
08:49 PM beachbumpete1: I managed to get the yacht window from the point cloud to a solid model ok
08:49 PM Tom_L: i just knew my kid was involved with it for a while
08:49 PM beachbumpete1: but it was just not good enough for the customer
08:50 PM beachbumpete1: I still need to figure this out so we can use this thing to scan other items
08:50 PM Tom_L: i wonder if you had too much reflection
08:50 PM beachbumpete1: this was kind of a test run
08:50 PM CaptHindsight: beachbumpete1: besides the monitor issue, what hardware was bad? Just the MB?
08:50 PM Tom_L: i know they used lots of powder
08:50 PM beachbumpete1: hard to say... the boat was under a plastic tarp
08:51 PM beachbumpete1: CaptHindsight: the original MB smoked as I told you
08:51 PM beachbumpete1: then I got the MSI carbon gaming board
08:51 PM beachbumpete1: and it went it pretty easily
08:51 PM CaptHindsight: beachbumpete1: ok great, just the MB
08:51 PM beachbumpete1: but we struggled with the GPU after she tried to flash the firmware herself
08:52 PM beachbumpete1: yeah everything else seems to work fine now
08:52 PM CaptHindsight: but you reflashed the GPU and now it's ok
08:52 PM beachbumpete1: well actually the thing is a gaming PC and has a shitload of fans and LED lighted stuff
08:52 PM CaptHindsight: heh, lesson learned
08:52 PM beachbumpete1: well I didn't my friend did but yeah she is happy using it now
08:53 PM beachbumpete1: its actually pretty sweet machine
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: ask dad first before any firmware updates
08:53 PM beachbumpete1: IKR
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: my kids used to hack all their windows installs
08:53 PM beachbumpete1: could not believe when the MB blew up on us
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: so I switched them to Linux
08:54 PM CaptHindsight: that was about 20 years ago
08:54 PM beachbumpete1: I would love to figure out the best way to create the solid models from the point cloud stuff
08:55 PM beachbumpete1: I tried pretty hard to make it work
08:56 PM beachbumpete1: must have tried a hundred different combinations of filters for the surface mesh creation
08:56 PM CaptHindsight: it just looked to noisy to me
08:58 PM CaptHindsight: the impulse noise would need a non-linear filter like a median filter
08:58 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_filter
09:00 PM beachbumpete1: what looked noisy?
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: I'd really work on reducing the noise
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: the scans
09:00 PM beachbumpete1: the point cloud looked tight to me but I do not have that much experience with them
09:05 PM beachbumpete1: interesting
09:05 PM beachbumpete1: there are several different filters inside meshlab for the point cloud
09:05 PM beachbumpete1: I even tried to consolidate the point cloud with one of them
10:05 PM unterhaus_: the manual for one of my servo drives fails to say if a power supply is input or output
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, I fear that good technical writing is a thing of the past