#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 04 2021

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12:00 AM XXCoder1: *really* bad fixture for alum cut
12:07 AM CaptHindsight: yesh
12:09 AM XXCoder1: myfordboy got something similiar, he replaced plastic crap with cast alum
12:10 AM XXCoder1: it could mill pretty good compared to before but still limited
12:46 AM unterhaus_: I have a really nice euchner handwheel for an mpg, no pinout
12:46 AM unterhaus_: magnetic detents
12:47 AM unterhaus_: I bet it looks like a stepper motor in there, but I'm not going to find out
01:10 AM Deejay: moin
01:28 AM jym: g9 deejay
02:51 AM Loetmichel: mornin'
02:51 AM XXCoder1: yo
05:00 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:01 AM XXCoder1: yo
05:36 AM Loetmichel: *giggle* Coworker: "do you have a 4mm drill bit?" $me" Sure, lemme look..." giving him a black one. "Why not that golden one there?" $me"Because" *taking the drill bit in both hands and bending it 90°* Coworker: "WTF??!?"
05:37 AM XXCoder1: literally gold drill. youre so ruch heh
05:37 AM XXCoder1: *rich
05:38 AM gloops: or very strong
05:41 AM Tom_L: morning
05:41 AM XXCoder1: yo
05:44 AM Tom_L: Loetmichel, used for drilling around corners?
05:51 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: yep... or just a chinese set of cheap as fu** drill bits that feels like they are made of lead and gold plated
05:53 AM XXCoder1: and not even hardened i bet
05:53 AM gloops: oops lol
05:53 AM XXCoder1: i heard sometimes they harden maybe 3 or 4 common sizes and leavbe rest
05:54 AM gloops: ok for soft wood
05:54 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=14784&g2_serialNumber=1
05:54 AM Loetmichel: questions?
05:55 AM Loetmichel: that SHOULDNT be able to bend even that much without snapping... certainly not with bare hands
05:57 AM XXCoder1: yep
05:57 AM XXCoder1: not hardened at all, maybe even butteralloy china loves so much
05:58 AM gloops: get those from £1 stores, they arent hss, you can drill pine with them, even with hardwood they just heat up and the tip melts
06:00 AM XXCoder1: high end
06:00 AM gloops: you wonder why youre bracing yourself and trying to put 300lb of pressure on with a cordless drill to make a 6mm hole in a board
06:01 AM sensille: XXCoder1: hardened lead? that's possible?
06:01 AM XXCoder1: sure
06:01 AM XXCoder1: add some other metals and its stronger
06:28 AM JT-Cave: wonderful the whole reason I placed an order with woodcraft was to get a quart of T&T varnish oil and now they say it's on backorder...
06:29 AM XXCoder1: :(
07:03 AM JT-Cave: and they charged my cc for the full amount...
07:27 AM JT-Cave: and you gotta love customers who are so freaking cheap they want you to be tech support for something they didn't buy from you
07:28 AM XXCoder1: another one of those? jeez
07:28 AM XXCoder1: i sure af wouldnt call you unless i bought direct from you
07:30 AM JT-Cave: I need a standard email reply something like email for order assistance not tech support the forum is for tech support
07:31 AM JT-Cave: installing debian 10 and it boots up to a blinking cursor...
07:31 AM JT-Cave: wtf
07:32 AM Tom_L: forget the gui part?
07:33 AM JT-Cave: same dvd that I've used before to install debian 10
07:33 AM JT-Cave: I see the login prompt for a second then the blinking cursor
07:34 AM JT-Cave: tried 10.7 on a sd card in a usb thingy but that install gets stuck at installing failed
07:35 AM Tom_L: ~4am she thought we had an earthquake turns out it's just that windy
07:38 AM JT-Cave: must have been mighty windy or you live in a trailer
07:38 AM XXCoder1: hey
07:38 AM Tom_L: it's windy today !
07:39 AM Tom_L: at least no earthquakes show on the map for today and they update fairly quick
07:55 AM miss0r: Tom_L: You have alot of earthquakes where you live?
08:52 AM gloops: facebook group is growing - 1800 members now
09:23 AM skunkworks: what group?
09:36 AM gloops: LinuxCNC Users
11:14 AM JT-Cave: too bad facebook tracks you all the time
11:16 AM roycroft: so many websites do that, but facebook are among the most egregious
11:23 AM gloops: well if you want a smart browsing experience, thats how it is
11:23 AM gloops: google is probably worse
11:24 AM JT-Cave: by far, you can't even get it off your phone
11:24 AM Rab: What is a "smart browsing experience"?
11:24 AM gloops: Rab its when you type in '10mm spanner' and all the results are near your house
11:25 AM gloops: (or phone)
11:26 AM JT-Cave: well that fails miserably for the millions of us on sat...
11:29 AM gloops: you can get facebook container plug-ins, firefox does one, so only mozilla gets all your info then
11:29 AM roycroft: if i type in "10mm spanner" i'll likely get a bunch of results from the uk
11:30 AM gloops: well you arent playing along roycroft
11:30 AM roycroft: i alwasy received failing marks for playing along when i was a school boy
11:31 AM gloops: is your isp logging everything though? and your vpn and email server etc
11:33 AM roycroft: well i am my isp
11:33 AM roycroft: and i don't log everything
11:33 AM roycroft: i'm not inclined to spy on myself anyway
11:33 AM gloops: sounds like youve got it worked out then, your traffic uses other corps networks though
11:34 AM roycroft: sure, and anything interesting i encrypt
11:34 AM roycroft: if i've ever any concerns about collecting metadata i use tor browser
11:34 AM gloops: could raise suspicion
11:35 AM gloops: hes using tor and military encryption - he aint spanner shopping
11:35 AM roycroft: you know - like when i go visit my mates on the qanon boards and discuss overthrowing the government and which "libtards" ate babies yesterday, and what the jewish space lasers are going to target next
11:36 AM roycroft: i always do that stuff anonymously
11:36 AM gloops: you hope lol
11:36 AM roycroft: if i'm honest, while i don't like wholesale data collection of any sort, i'm a lot more concerned about corporate spying than government spying
11:37 AM roycroft: but right now i'm mostly concerned about the weather, and how it affects the project i'm working on
11:37 AM gloops: we got a week of snow coming
11:38 AM CaptHindsight: polar express arrives here later today
11:38 AM roycroft: there's no snow in our forecast, but it got down to -1 last night
11:38 AM roycroft: we were not forecast to get any freezing weather for the forseeable future
11:38 AM roycroft: but it happened
11:39 AM roycroft: i have painting to do
11:39 AM CaptHindsight: -20C at nights for the next week or two
11:39 AM roycroft: so i need 10 degrees or so for the high, and 4-6 for the low
11:39 AM roycroft: i can keep the shop warm enough to paint without costing me a fortune if i have those temperatures
11:40 AM gloops: we dont get -20, been bumping along 0 +-3 for a while
11:40 AM CaptHindsight: oh closer to -25C
11:41 AM CaptHindsight: was planning on painting as well
11:41 AM roycroft: our all time record low temperature was -24, and that was just a few years ago
11:41 AM roycroft: most years, -4 is as cold as it ever gets, and it only hits that a handful of times
11:41 AM CaptHindsight: just two crappy weeks, it's been pretty mild here so far
11:51 AM roycroft: i've finished the carcase of my new bandsaw stand, so now it's time to repaint the bandsaw itself
11:53 AM roycroft: i'll be happy when i can use my bandsaw again - hopefully it won't be too much longer
11:54 AM roycroft: but with the weather being cool as it is, i probably need to let the clear coat cure for a week before putting the machine back in service, and i'll have several days of prep work and painting to go before i even get to the clear coat
11:54 AM roycroft: so towards the end of the month probably
12:30 PM roycroft: it's sunny here today
12:30 PM roycroft: cool, but at least there's sunshine
12:33 PM skunkworks: heh - should have been a snow day today - but instead the kids are doing virtual.. Poor kids
12:33 PM roycroft: so they can have a virtual snow day
12:35 PM skunkworks: dads starlink hardware is lost in transit.. Should have been there tuesday
12:35 PM skunkworks: fedex
12:46 PM jym: skunkworks: sucks
01:36 PM Tom_L: miss0r no not normally
02:08 PM JT-Shop: anyone know of a decent 3 axis mini mill bare frame type with at least ~X10", ~Y5" and ~Z2"
02:57 PM perry_j1987: lots of snow today
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: with a tiny high speed spindle or?
03:22 PM perry_j1987: this guy is a crack up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiVWBOBUlaA
03:25 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight, not sure on the spindle
03:25 PM JT-Shop: it's a tiny NOT high speed spindle as he is cutting plastic
03:26 PM JT-Shop: he's cutting a 6mm x 6mm square with 1mm radius in the corners
03:27 PM CaptHindsight: the build of the machine tends to be around what is used as the spindle
03:28 PM CaptHindsight: except for Chinese t-slot stuff, they are just copy pasta
03:29 PM skunkworks: https://youtu.be/ZVVffljc7kE
03:29 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight, know of any place to start looking?
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: https://theedgecutter.com/best-mini-mills/ has a roundup
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: depends on the quality you want
03:36 PM sensille: no taig in the list?
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: https://mdaprecision.com/product-category/benchtop-milling-machines/manual-benchtop-mills/
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: https://taigtools.com/product-category/micro-mills/
03:40 PM JT-Shop: I've seen some kit's before but can't find them now lol
03:45 PM JT-Shop: hmmm https://taigtools.com/product/2019cr-xy-stage/
03:57 PM perry_j1987: whats the project?
03:57 PM unterhaus: I have thought about doing the 3 axis mpg, I'm glad TO Tony did it so I could see that it's a bit silly
03:58 PM perry_j1987: im thinking of doing it on my new lathe
03:59 PM perry_j1987: yesterday took some alum barstock and milled a 1/2in bar into the back of it to fit in my quick change tool post holder
04:00 PM perry_j1987: going to make a few small gang tool setups with it
04:00 PM perry_j1987: center drill, drill, single point threader or center drill, drill, reamer type of things
04:01 PM perry_j1987: get out of all these tool changes constantly heh
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: I mostly see the same grizzly, bolton etc mills everywhere
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: range from the really poor with a a jacobs chuck to Cat30
04:03 PM jdh]: Sieg x1/x2/x3 variants
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/362691510899
04:06 PM CaptHindsight: Kaka and Rong Fu :)
04:07 PM CaptHindsight: "names you can trust"
04:08 PM jdh]: rong fu conversions are/were pretty popular
04:08 PM CaptHindsight: haha Yumpu
04:09 PM CaptHindsight: somebody needs to tell them
04:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.microkinetics.com/index.php?page=express/express
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: oh sorry those are CNC
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.precisionmatthews.com/product-category/millingmachines/benchmills/
04:14 PM roycroft: precision matthews make decent small machines
04:15 PM roycroft: they're similar to the grizzly stuff, but with a bit better fit and finish
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: wonder if Kaka makes Yumpu, sorry had to ask
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-milling-machine-KITAMURA/224324946514 $1350
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: no controller
04:47 PM unterhaus: the tiny aluminum ones are really cute, kinda expensive though
05:28 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: see anything you like yet?
05:30 PM JT-Shop: https://taigtools.com/product/micro-mill-5019cr/
05:30 PM JT-Shop: that looks promising
05:31 PM perry_j1987: getting a mill?
05:32 PM JT-Shop: for a friend of mine that has a business in NC
05:32 PM JT-Shop: I have a shop full of mills lol
05:33 PM perry_j1987: ah not a good enough friend to give one of your mills too eh i see.. isee
05:33 PM perry_j1987: lol
05:34 PM JT-Shop: he needs something quite a bit smaller than my mills lol
05:34 PM perry_j1987: whats he making
05:35 PM perry_j1987: that one has the er collet
05:35 PM perry_j1987: i think they make one with r8 too
05:35 PM perry_j1987: seen some guys convert the taig to tormach tts holders which looks pretty spiffy
05:35 PM JT-Shop: a 6mm x 6mm square hole in sun glasses
05:36 PM JT-Shop: mostly he makes goggles for jockeys
05:36 PM perry_j1987: polygon milling ?
05:36 PM perry_j1987: or traditional with some small corner radius
05:37 PM JT-Shop: square hole with a 1mm radius in the corner
05:37 PM perry_j1987: fun stuff
05:37 PM perry_j1987: if cost is a concern for him, little machine shop has one of their high torque mini mills for around 900
05:38 PM perry_j1987: gas struts and brushless motor etc
05:38 PM JT-Shop: link
05:38 PM perry_j1987: r8
05:39 PM perry_j1987: https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3990&category=2122081981
05:39 PM perry_j1987: oh wow its raised up in price a bit since last summer
05:39 PM perry_j1987: backordered atm
05:39 PM perry_j1987: till later this month
05:40 PM perry_j1987: depending on his budget
05:41 PM JT-Shop: he is looking for something that can be fitted with steppers easy
05:41 PM perry_j1987: https://www.precisionmatthews.com/shop/pm-728vt-ultra-precision-mill/ this one would allow him room to run a few fixture plates
05:41 PM perry_j1987: this one has a cnc kit
05:41 PM perry_j1987: if i remember right the 728vt has more travel than the tormachs lol
05:42 PM JT-Shop: https://taigtools.com/product/micro-mill-5019cr/
05:42 PM JT-Shop: that seems to be the best fit I can find, ready to install steppers
05:42 PM perry_j1987: Table Size 7” x 28″
05:43 PM Tom_L: table big enough to mount his work?
05:43 PM perry_j1987: ya the 728vt has ballscrew cnc kit that you can order with it
05:43 PM JT-Shop: time to tuck the chickens in and read them a bed time story... maybe chicken little dunno
05:46 PM TurBoss: hello, is posible to create a M100-199 MCODE in python? MXX and M2XX are remapeables but M1XX no as doc says
05:46 PM TurBoss: where do I put the python code?
05:47 PM TurBoss: toplevel.py
05:47 PM TurBoss: remap.py
05:47 PM TurBoss: ?
05:47 PM Tom_L: in the config directory
05:47 PM TurBoss: make it executable?
05:47 PM TurBoss: just that?
05:47 PM Tom_L: i suppose yes
05:47 PM TurBoss: cok
05:48 PM TurBoss: * ok
05:48 PM Tom_L: i remapped M6 once and i don't recall having to make it exe but maybe i did
05:58 PM JT-Cave: you can have just about anything in m100-199 but I don't think you can remap it but I may be full of shit and don't know it
05:58 PM TurBoss: you right
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06:56 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: how do you get your email address off blacklists if someone else uses it for a return address for spam?
07:37 PM roycroft: capthindsight: if it's sorbs, one doesn't, because they charge money to delist and nobody pays attention to their rbl anyway
07:37 PM roycroft: if it's anyone else, that requires patience and persistence
07:37 PM roycroft: you have to contact the rbl maintainer and plead your case
07:38 PM gloops: hmm i got phished with a fake paypal page, got an email and password
07:38 PM gloops: changed the password obviously, what can they do with the email? nothing?
07:38 PM roycroft: this, btw, is something my boss never understood, even though i explained it to him countless times, until one time when we had a customer do a spam run, and he watched me spend four days cleaning up the mess
07:39 PM roycroft: all the while customers were calling and complaining that they could not send emails
07:39 PM roycroft: he always thought before that incident that i was exaggerating about the amount of effort that delisting takes
07:42 PM roycroft: gloops: first of all they know you have a paypal account, and that can be valuable information
07:42 PM roycroft: but since you changed the password, there's nothing else they can do with your paypal account itself unless they're able to intercept emails as well
07:42 PM gloops: well yeah, but to login they need my phone or browser
07:43 PM gloops: to use my email to register for dodgy sites, they wont be able to receive the activation link
07:43 PM roycroft: however, they may have attempted to access the account during that brief period after the compromise and before you changed the password
07:43 PM gloops: i think i was lucky there, been attempt to login
07:43 PM gloops: no attempt
07:43 PM roycroft: the real problem is when you don't notice that you've been phished, and you don't take any action
07:44 PM roycroft: that gives them plenty of time to play with your account
07:44 PM gloops: yeah i realised while was doing it, doh..http
07:44 PM roycroft: i had an incident a few weeks ago, actually more than a month ago now
07:45 PM roycroft: i was signing up for a hosting service, and i don't mind mentioning the company here, because they handled my problem horribly
07:45 PM CaptHindsight: seems to happen every few years
07:45 PM roycroft: they're hostsailor
07:45 PM roycroft: based out of dubai
07:45 PM gloops: dont know them
07:45 PM roycroft: i was on their website, and when i got to the payment scren, it showed a valid certificate, so i went ahead and entered my cc number
07:46 PM roycroft: literally seconds later citibank send me an email fraud alaert, saying they blocked a charge attempt for over $3000 from hong kong and asking me if it was legit
07:46 PM gloops: yeah lucky
07:46 PM roycroft: i cancelled my service with them, called the fraud department, and was issued a new credit card
07:46 PM CaptHindsight: things CNC nightmares are made from https://youtu.be/i2dXw_Tnj-s?t=25
07:47 PM roycroft: they also reversed the other two, smaller charges, that were made in those few seconds
07:47 PM roycroft: and they reversed the charge from hostsailor, who denied there was any problem, and told me they do not issue refunds
07:47 PM gloops: i only noticed when i hit 'pay now' the following sequence wasnt paypal i knew it, it redirected me to a bank card details form, so i took a closer look, pretty obvious it was bogus, then checked the link...
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: when i used to travel abroad regularly that was a pain for the CC's
07:48 PM gloops: mad dash to change passwords, then sweat it out a couple of days waiting for...whatever lol
07:48 PM roycroft: any time i get an email that appears even the slightest bit suspicious i load the raw source, carefully check all the headers, including the routing, and check any links in the body to see if they go the right place
07:49 PM CaptHindsight: tell you bank where you'd be for the next few weeks so they would not put a stop on your hotel or similar payments
07:49 PM roycroft: capthindsight: american express have a program where i can send them my itinerary, and they will lower the threshold for fraud alerts from the places i tell them i'll be
07:49 PM roycroft: i don't travel abroad any more though
07:50 PM roycroft: but it's nice that they have that covered
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: i can't right now
07:50 PM roycroft: i'd like to, but i swore off airports after 9/11
07:50 PM roycroft: actually, i would fly out of canada
07:50 PM roycroft: i just refuse to participate in the tsa security theatre game
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: I've had weird stuff allover the world at airports
07:51 PM roycroft: so if i wanted to go to europe i could always take the train to vancouver and fly from there
07:51 PM roycroft: but until the pandemic is over i'm not going anywhere
07:51 PM roycroft: btw
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: I rolled my eyes at the guard at the door of the plane boarding in Tokyo back to the USA
07:52 PM roycroft: having dry air makes media blasting work a lot better
07:52 PM roycroft: and having an air tank that's not 2/3 full of water means it cycles a lot less, and i can do a lot more media blasting at a go
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: extra BS of course and travelling with my suicide children :)
07:54 PM roycroft: if tsa actually made airports safer i wouldn't mind their crap so much
07:55 PM roycroft: but they're all about the show and power tripping
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: a long lost battle
07:55 PM roycroft: yeah
07:55 PM roycroft: that's why i just don't play the game any more
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: because stupid people
07:57 PM CaptHindsight: metal detectors and x-ray are everywhere
07:57 PM roycroft: well one stupid person no longer sits on her former committees :)
07:57 PM CaptHindsight: it's the shoes off and extra scans that stand out when you get back to the USA
07:58 PM roycroft: yeah
07:58 PM roycroft: and the paranoia about certain liquids
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: and how fat uhmericans are
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: if you have been gone for a while it is shocking when you land
07:59 PM roycroft: that's one reason the us has 4% of the world's population but 20% of the global covid-19 deaths
07:59 PM roycroft: not the main reason, but a significant reason
08:01 PM CaptHindsight: certainly adds to the problems
08:01 PM CaptHindsight: but good for the medical industry
08:09 PM roycroft: well, as i feared, 5 minute epoxy takes more like 5 hours to cure when it's cool like this
08:10 PM roycroft: and i have three lifts to fully fill the holes, so this sets me back over a whole day
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: yeah under 70F, and really really slow <50F
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: I've been spraying epoxy primer at ~65F, take 2x the time at 70F to lose tack
08:13 PM roycroft: this was probably not even necessary
08:13 PM roycroft: my band saw came with a number of "extra" drilled and tapped holes in the base casting
08:14 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest10064
08:14 PM roycroft: i decided that since i was going to repaint it i'd take the opportunity to fill them
08:14 PM roycroft: oh well, it will be done eventually
08:15 PM Tom_L: like watching grass grow in winter
08:21 PM roycroft: which happens here
08:21 PM roycroft: but much more slowly than in the summer
08:30 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncNXzO_35EM
08:30 PM flyback: BMCC
08:48 PM roycroft: yay
08:48 PM roycroft: i was just able to pre-register for my covid-19 vaccination
08:49 PM roycroft: the county website has been swamped since they put the form oline yesterday, and has crashed several times
08:49 PM XXCoder1: nice
08:49 PM roycroft: this was my third attempt to register, and i finally got all the way through, and got a confirmation email
08:49 PM roycroft: still no word on when i'll be eligible
08:50 PM roycroft: but at least i'm officially in the queue now
09:00 PM jdh]: are you ancient?
09:03 PM roycroft: i'm not ancient, but i have a pre-existing condition that qualifies me higher up in the queue than many
09:04 PM jdh]: here, only old qualifies.
09:09 PM roycroft: we have a fairly elaborate schema
09:10 PM roycroft: people over 75 in assisted living facilities were first
09:10 PM roycroft: because 80+% of the deaths occur in that demographic
09:10 PM roycroft: then health care workers and first responders
09:11 PM roycroft: then people over 80 not in assisted living facilities
09:11 PM roycroft: the list goes on
09:15 PM roycroft: from the state's updated website, i'll probably b eligibile on 8 march