#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 03 2021

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:23 AM mrec: what's the correct nomenclature for the spacer in a dovetail?
12:33 AM mrec: W1N9Zr0: that's it thanks, never heard about that before
01:17 AM Deejay: moin
01:23 AM jym: Deejay: hey!!!
04:01 AM Loetmichel: *MUUUHAHA* SOMEONE here is really good at "zappzarapp"... was just using my battery drill after getting it back from a coworker, sat it down on the desk. Turn around 20sec later to find it vanished again... then i hear it being used by said coworker... and i never saw him walk by my desk :)
05:00 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:01 AM miss0r: morning
05:02 AM miss0r: apparentlt I might have painted myself into a corner here. As I hate making vias on PCBs, I have made it so that component through holes sometimes are used on both sides of the PCB. this is easy with resistors as theres plenty to solder on both sides.
05:03 AM miss0r: I have, however, a few holes that need solder on both sides underneath a double row pinheader, that is plastic covered on the side that touches the PCB. IDIOTIC design on my part, but is there a fix that you guys know of?
05:03 AM miss0r: i.e. a way to solder it anyway
05:03 AM Loetmichel: hehe, coworker just got delivered a private bought CNC 6040 router from china to the company. Bad decision... its already commandeered by boss to work for the company for a couple weeks until peak sheet metal working order is done... :D
05:03 AM miss0r: lol
05:33 AM Tom_L: morning
05:35 AM XXCoder1: man german must be different
05:35 AM XXCoder1: opening other person mail and using stuff is federal offense and major one too
05:35 AM Tom_L: it's supposed to be here as well
05:55 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder1: nah, he didnt open
05:55 AM Loetmichel: the machine came per trucking service on a pallet
05:55 AM Loetmichel: Boss was like" Oh, whats that?" "CNC mill like the two we have already." "Can i borrow that a couple weeks?"
05:56 AM Loetmichel: so coworker is now setting it up on a rolling desk and making it operational :)
05:58 AM XXCoder1: oh thats better
05:58 AM XXCoder1: i was concerned that boss simply took it, setup and running it
06:00 AM Loetmichel: nah, he is not THAT brazen
06:03 AM XXCoder1: thats good :)
07:03 AM Loetmichel: Hehe, fun stuff: Sitting at lunch talking with the coworkers. a few moslems, a chinese (no idea what she belives) a few christians both catholic and protestant... Suddenly things like "Give me the will to change things i can change, the acceptance to things i cant change and the wisdom to discern the two" pop up in conversation...
07:05 AM Loetmichel: It suddenly got VERY philosophical after that... :)
07:37 AM rs[m]: Loetmichel: you could also try "There is no god, and she is black"
07:38 AM Loetmichel: rs[m]: that would be pure edgelord. I really dig philosophical discussions with the coworkers, i dont intend to provocate them for the sake of riling them up.
07:38 AM Loetmichel: I am not THAT much of an asshole.
07:39 AM rs[m]: just my cynisism talking, sorry
07:40 AM Loetmichel: i was just a bit surprised how deep that rabbit hole goes and how cetain beliefs "colour" said philosophical concepts.
07:42 AM Loetmichel: and that we obviously getting along regardless despite speaking a mix of german, english, several african languages, romanian, russian, mandarin, polish and who knows what else
07:42 AM Loetmichel: s/regardless/
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08:40 AM miss0r: I haven't heard back from the electronics repair shop. but I just got the quote for a replacement PCB, its a smidge cheaper than feared. its "only" $868US, shipping included.
08:40 AM miss0r: so, now I just have to wait to hear from the repairshop. Perhaps they are a little cheaper still :D
09:34 AM norias: anyone know where to find the source code for the mdi command line utility?
09:45 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:47 AM JT-Cave: which mdi will tell you
09:48 AM norias: ?
09:48 AM JT-Cave: open a terminal and type in which mdi
09:48 AM norias: oh
09:48 AM norias: that will find the source code?
09:50 AM JT-Cave: it will tell you where it's installed at which will be the same place in the source tree
09:50 AM norias: hmmm
09:50 AM norias: i'll give that a go
09:50 AM JT-Cave: it just works
09:51 AM norias: maybe i'm looking at a different source tree ...
09:52 AM norias: are we talking about the linuxcnc repo on github?
09:52 AM norias: the which mdi gave me /usr/bin
09:52 AM JT-Cave: so look in the bin directory of the source tree
09:53 AM norias: linuxcnc/src doesn't have a /bin
09:53 AM norias: and linuxcnc/bin ...
09:53 AM norias: really just has a .gitignore
09:53 AM JT-Cave: I didn't say src/bin
09:53 AM JT-Cave: ah you prob need to build it as a RIP
09:57 AM norias: i'm not sure what that means
09:57 AM JT-Cave: wow there are 8 mdi.py files
09:59 AM JT-Cave: looks like the command line one is in src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts
09:59 AM JT-Cave: I think that's it
10:01 AM norias: huh, i didn't expect a python
10:02 AM JT-Cave: why not?
10:02 AM norias: i'll be damned
10:02 AM norias: thanks
10:02 AM norias: eh, silly assumption, tbh
10:02 AM norias: i was looking for a C file
10:02 AM * roycroft presumes to damn norias
10:02 AM JT-Cave: lol
10:03 AM norias: oh, that's pretty slick
10:03 AM norias: i like that little python script
10:03 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/workbench-mk1/workbench-mk1-14.jpg
10:05 AM roycroft: are you getting some tried & true varnish oil for that, jt-cave?
10:05 AM norias: i'm making my first dive in to oils for wood soon
10:05 AM norias: using whatever that nut oil is on a cutting board surface
10:05 AM norias: tung
10:06 AM norias: at least that's the plan
10:06 AM roycroft: tried & true is ideal for cutting boards
10:06 AM roycroft: it's non-toxic
10:06 AM JT-Shop: I have a quart on the way from Woodcraft
10:07 AM JT-Shop: can't find it locally
10:07 AM roycroft: it uses actual boiled linseed oil
10:07 AM roycroft: most "boiled" linseed oil is not boiled at all
10:08 AM roycroft: it has chemical dryers added
10:08 AM JT-Shop: the workbench is just sitting there for now until I get the T&T varnish oil
10:08 AM roycroft: which are highly toxic heavy metals
10:09 AM roycroft: i'll stress once again that after you apply tried & true, let it sit for a few minutes and then wipe it until it's dry
10:09 AM norias: Is that the style of the new Megadeth album?
10:09 AM norias: Highly Toxic Heavy Metal
10:09 AM roycroft: if you leave any of the oil on the surface you'll be sad - it will never dry completely
10:09 AM roycroft: i'd say that 100% of people who complain about it don't apply it properly
10:15 AM norias: JT-Cave: thanks, again for hunting that script down for me. I don't I'd have found it
10:15 AM norias: I was poking through makefiles to find a target for it, lol
10:19 AM JT-Cave: yw
10:19 AM JT-Cave: coop is above freezing so time to head to the industrial park
10:20 AM roycroft: we're going to stay above freezing for at least another week
10:42 AM gregcnc: boy IL is fast to open up now
11:31 AM roycroft: i'm finally getting some fairly dry air out of my compressor
11:31 AM roycroft: i don't ever want to have that problem again
01:31 PM miss0r: lol. to add sinsult to injury: since my right had has been pust in a cast, I've been wearing ym wedding ring on my left hand. Only yesterday I noticed that it wasn't there no more. I have now spend 3 hours today trying to find, with no results.
01:31 PM miss0r: note: I actualy *never* take it off.
01:31 PM miss0r: but assuming it dropped on its own without me feeling it, its anyones best guess.
01:41 PM norias: miss0r: bummer
01:41 PM norias: big time
01:42 PM miss0r: so far 2020 has nothing on 2021 for me :D
01:42 PM norias: sorry to hear that
01:43 PM miss0r: nah man. I steel hope to find the thing. And the wife told me she still consideres us married even though theres no ring to proove it. even though I might have said otherwise :D
01:43 PM miss0r: steel=still*
01:49 PM gregcnc: WOT? https://imgur.com/gallery/5hP0a1P
01:50 PM miss0r: no?!
01:50 PM miss0r: Thats impressive
01:58 PM jym: That's very cool
01:59 PM jym: I wonder how they get the car ON the trailer?
01:59 PM gloops: interesting in the rain ...emergency stops etc
02:00 PM gregcnc: probably tiling axles. i'm sure they head straight for the first exit at a safe speed
02:02 PM gloops: yeah just out of the traffic flow
02:04 PM gloops: its all smart now, any passing empty recovery truck stops and moves you to the nearest safe place - until your own recovery arrives, did it with me
02:05 PM gloops: they bill it to your insurance
02:08 PM jym: Hmmm, billed for TWO tows???
02:09 PM miss0r: you gotta do what you gotta do?:D
02:12 PM miss0r: gloops: this must have eluded me - Did you ever get that home-build router of yours to do what you wanted?
02:12 PM gloops: jym no their money comes from your insurer, you dont pay any more, im in the AA recovery, the passing guy who picked me up charged them - they all collaborate with the scheme
02:13 PM gloops: miss0r yes, it works great - unfortuntaely i dont atm lol, bad back
02:13 PM miss0r: I feel'ya. :)
02:13 PM miss0r: glad to hear it
02:14 PM gloops: torn ligaments, stage 2, entering the 5th month
02:15 PM miss0r: damn
02:15 PM miss0r: I'll just shut the hell up about my broken thumb :D
02:15 PM miss0r: This is over in two weeks
02:15 PM gloops: lol well that must be bad enough
02:15 PM gloops: you can work round a thumb thought for most stuff i guess
02:16 PM miss0r: sure. but you've crossed that invisible line, that if you were a horse, you would be on your way to the soap factory by now
02:16 PM gloops: i wouldnt have survived in a wild situation no doubt about it
02:17 PM miss0r: good think we are /mostly/ civilised then
02:17 PM gloops: hoping another month or 6 weeks
02:17 PM miss0r: till what? total recovery?
02:18 PM gloops: not total, but until i can work
02:18 PM miss0r: yeah
02:18 PM miss0r: I'm stuck at home, *only* for four weeks. I can't very well crawl into dirty machinery and fix it up with my hand in plaster
02:19 PM gloops: some strange stuff happening, neurologist says the injury is healed ages ago, but my brain has learned to trigger pain when i move in certain ways...and its now a case of unlearning that
02:19 PM miss0r: and I find I'm having alot of diffulty doing much of anything i would normally do at home - work on machinery, build stuff or play on my PC.
02:19 PM miss0r: oh damn
02:19 PM miss0r: That almost sounds like "we can't find anything, it must be in his head"
02:20 PM * miss0r hope it works
02:20 PM gloops: lol, well the pain is real, its not imaginary, there just no injury causing, its like become a habit
02:20 PM gloops: causing it
02:21 PM miss0r: well. pain is an odd thing
02:21 PM gloops: didnt realise hand would be in plaster for a thumb, broken lower down the bone?
02:21 PM miss0r: just below the wrist
02:22 PM gloops: not that tender feeling bone that runs from the bottom of the thumb?
02:22 PM miss0r: so to stabalize that they have me mummified from the middle of my lower arm and to the end of my thumb, basically leaving the remaining four fingers "free"
02:23 PM miss0r: ehh? Do you have the latin name of the bone you are talking about? :D
02:23 PM miss0r: (not that it would help)
02:23 PM gloops: no i just looked at my wrist
02:23 PM miss0r: After one day it didn't hurt a bit
02:23 PM miss0r: but it easily gets sore if I bump it
02:23 PM gloops: left or right?
02:24 PM miss0r: right, sadly
02:24 PM gloops: well, just have to hope it knits up clean
02:24 PM miss0r: it should. I went for a follow-up x-ray today. it looks good
02:25 PM gregcnc: miss0r dominant hand? i'd go crazy?
02:26 PM miss0r: yup
02:26 PM miss0r: as am I
02:26 PM gloops: i broke a big toe years ago, had a bit of soreness and the odd sharp twinge for a couple of years but then forgot about it
02:28 PM miss0r: doing some PCB milling as we speak
02:28 PM miss0r: gloops; yeah. I might have had that happen to me too, but never had it looked at
02:29 PM miss0r: https://imgur.com/a/sWLzp0K
02:30 PM miss0r: way better than way back when I used to do this with an ink marker and acid :D
02:31 PM gloops: looks pretty tidy
02:32 PM miss0r: thats the beauty of using a mill. :)
02:34 PM gloops: i wont be buying a mill for the forseable lol
02:34 PM gloops: my lathe i now an ornament in the corner i was moving it to
02:36 PM miss0r: hehe
02:36 PM miss0r: My lathe sees alot of work
02:38 PM gloops: i never did outside jobs with mine but it did a lot of those little things i needed, will get it set up again when im ready
03:17 PM perry_j1987: hows it going guys
03:18 PM miss0r: milling away at a PCB :]
03:19 PM Tom_L: aparently pretty rough on the other side of the pond
03:20 PM miss0r: Tom_L: aren't you located in the US?
03:20 PM Tom_L: yup
03:20 PM miss0r: I think we are doing alright over here :)
03:20 PM Tom_L: are you?
03:21 PM miss0r: atleast in the small speck on the map called Denmark
03:21 PM Tom_L: i thought you were Eu
03:21 PM Tom_L: ahh
03:21 PM miss0r: We are
03:21 PM miss0r: EU that is
03:21 PM Tom_L: broken fingers, backs and lost items... doesn't sound so good
03:21 PM miss0r: hehe
03:21 PM miss0r: well, apart from all that then :D
03:22 PM miss0r: "all in a days work" ? :)
03:22 PM Tom_L: if you insist
03:22 PM miss0r: I realy dont :D
03:23 PM miss0r: how is that new president of yours doing? I haven't cought wind of a scandal as of late, so theres nothing much reported
03:24 PM Tom_L: haven't payed any attention to him
03:26 PM miss0r: this PCB milling! The thing that realy blows my mind, even though it shouldn't, is how fast and accurate it drills all the holes. That part used to take HOURS when doing it manually
03:27 PM perry_j1987: pcb miling is fun
03:28 PM miss0r: yet when doing two sided boards, the lineup somehow eludes me
03:28 PM miss0r: even when I use centered pins ect, it somehow ends up a few mm off
03:28 PM miss0r: and I have to recenter with a drilled hole
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: what is the mode called in LCNC that records machine movements when using a joypad? It is like learn mode on a robot.
03:31 PM Tom_L: does it have a mode like that?
03:31 PM CaptHindsight: yes, i recall a thread on the ML or forums about it
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: it will record movements entered manually or through a joystick/gamepad
03:37 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/10466-recording-coordinates
03:37 PM Tom_L: that?
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: similar
03:40 PM Tom_L: i wasn't aware of it
03:40 PM Tom_L: but i'm not surprised either
03:41 PM Tom_L: trying to make a "poor man's" 5 axis generated path?
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: motion logger
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: how robots learn
03:43 PM Tom_L: yeha
03:43 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:46 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/python-interface.html#_the_tt_linuxcnc_positionlogger_tt_type
03:48 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/motion-logger/motion-logger.c
03:51 PM CaptHindsight: you don't need 4+ axis CAM to move a camera around with LCNC, the joypad is good enough
03:53 PM CaptHindsight: ever try to explain to a robot supplier why you want the exact 3D position info from a robot in real time and for every 25um of change?
03:54 PM CaptHindsight: I want to synchronize the robot motion to other real time components
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: WHY? Why can't you use position info that only gets updated every 0.1 sec?
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: So you want me to interpolate all the positions in between each update?
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: Can't you?
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: Why can't you just give me real time position info from the encoders?
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: Because we don't want to....
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: "we use optical connections between the encoders and the controller so we can't get you real time position info"
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: or some other reason
03:59 PM Rab: Optical connections? Really?
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: yeah some said they use fiber from the joints/encoders back to the controller or IO board at the base of the robot where the controller cables connect
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: I didn't look inside to check so might just have been BS
04:01 PM Rab: wow
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: i wasn't going to buy one to find out
04:01 PM Rab: Good for noise immunity.
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: what they said
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: possible on large robots
04:03 PM CaptHindsight: the robots discussed however had only a 1m reach
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: "Why do you need that much precision?"
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: maybe I'm synchronizing a printhead to put drops on demand on a 100um grid and the arm is moving at 0.5m/sec
04:06 PM CaptHindsight: "Oh that sounds complicated"
04:06 PM CaptHindsight: NO SHIT
04:07 PM Tom_L: heh
04:09 PM CaptHindsight: "Why is 10mS too long an interval to send or receive position info?"
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: because we have things happening every 50uS or faster
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: "Sign this NDA, we won't tell you much about how the robot actually works but you tell us everything about what you do"
04:13 PM * CaptHindsight walks away and builds robot using LCNC
04:16 PM CaptHindsight: -14F (-26C) at night starting this weekend
04:20 PM Tom_L: yeah we're gonna get that too
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: did you get a snow dump over the past weekend?
04:22 PM Tom_L: no
04:22 PM Tom_L: rain
04:23 PM Tom_L: last few days have been nice
04:23 PM CaptHindsight: same here above freezing
04:23 PM Tom_L: chilly but 'no coat' weather
04:48 PM a-u2: Seems too quiet here for questions, but my last XHC MPG pendant died, and while the new driver looks like it will support the LHB04B-4 version of this (not very reliable) device -  will it work with Ubuntu 12 Precise, and LinuxCNC 2.7.14 and... uh... how do I make that driver?
04:56 PM perry_j1987_: hows it going
04:57 PM a-u2: good - except for the pendant - lol
04:58 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/xhc-hb04.1.html
04:58 PM Tom_L: that one?
04:58 PM Tom_L: or a newer one
04:59 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man1/xhc-whb04b-6.1.html
04:59 PM a-u2: The newer one
04:59 PM Tom_L: that's in 2.8
04:59 PM a-u2: yes, thanks, that one
04:59 PM Tom_L: you should be able to upgrade to 2.8 from 2.7.14
05:00 PM Tom_L: the config changes a little
05:00 PM perry_j1987_: thinking of making up some blocks with a 1/2in square bar attached to go in some of my quick change tool holders that i can drill out on the lathe to hold some of my drillbits / reamers gang style
05:00 PM a-u2: Heck, that was my fear.   And while 2.8 seems practical, production seems to be in the way of upgrading quickly.   Thank you.
05:01 PM Tom_L: keep your old config safe
05:01 PM Tom_L: but it's not that painful
05:01 PM Tom_L: a few name changes and joints were added
05:02 PM Tom_L: instead of things like motion.spindle.x it's spindle.x now
05:02 PM Tom_L: and a couple other oddities
05:02 PM a-u2: I agree it should not be painful, but I remember chipping thru custom buttons and Glade and such - so... it won't be quick is my guess
05:03 PM a-u2: And likely better I use another controller PC so production can keep grinding, so to speak.
05:03 PM Tom_L: what gui are you running?
05:04 PM a-u2: Basic Axis I believe, but the notes say I did some Glad VCP changes for screen buttons.
05:07 PM a-u2: I guess this can all be replicated as needed - just need time for testing and such.
05:09 PM Tom_L: the vcp shouldn't change
05:10 PM a-u2: Thanks - that would save time.
05:27 PM unterhaus_: can't the driver be backported? What has changed as far as that goes?
05:29 PM unterhaus_: I should probably not be connected to -devel, never have anything to say and post by mistake on there occasionally
05:31 PM unterhaus_: CaptHindsight, are you building a cartesian robot?
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: I build those as well. My conversations with robot suppliers goes back 10-20 years
05:33 PM unterhaus_: I see
05:33 PM unterhaus_: they are kinda snooty
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: heh yeah
05:34 PM unterhaus_: but it was funny when we went to IMTS one of the Fanuc guys came out to see my boss and was very obsequious
05:34 PM unterhaus_: the fanuc guy was, my boss doesn't do obsequious
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: I pit Staubli against Fanuc and Kuka
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: yours is no where as accurate, why is that?
05:35 PM unterhaus_: the fanuc guy was standing in front of his amazing many-axis grinding machine
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: "might be good enough for welding but not tissue engineering"
05:36 PM unterhaus_: you say that to all three in round robin?
05:36 PM CaptHindsight: what I asked for was a robot with ~1m reach and 5Kg max load
05:37 PM CaptHindsight: Kuka sales offered me a 2x the reach welding bot with 5x less accuracy/repeatability and said just ignore that it's bigger, it's in stock :)
05:37 PM CaptHindsight: but you can access the encoders more easily
05:37 PM unterhaus_: I was wondering, that seems to be what they do
05:38 PM unterhaus_: my welding robot had very nice encoders from that perspective, but it's a pile of parts now
05:38 PM CaptHindsight: I don't really talk to them anymore
05:38 PM unterhaus_: I was too afraid of it to ever think about powering it up, had 2m reach
05:39 PM CaptHindsight: I do pick up used ones from time to time
05:39 PM unterhaus_: the school had it in a small lab with rotation disabled
05:39 PM Tom_L: so they couldn't program it as an amusement ride?
05:39 PM unterhaus_: I got it for $125, which turned out to be too much
05:40 PM unterhaus_: I think the ceiling was too low for amusement rides
05:40 PM unterhaus_: when I watch those videos I always worry about the robot cutting the kid's legs off
05:41 PM Tom_L: yup
05:41 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, not a ride i want to be one
05:41 PM CaptHindsight: one/on
05:43 PM unterhaus_: I finally figured out what I wanted to use the end effector of mine for and I might have thrown away one of the chains that drive it
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: some vendors don't like it if you know more than they do, they are unable to manipulate you, so you are of no value
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: the ones that can't sell on specs or results alone
05:49 PM unterhaus_: that's natural, they don't know much themselves
05:49 PM unterhaus_: there are a limited number of people that know what's going on, too hard to hire more and too expensive
05:51 PM unterhaus_: they must have decided you didn't deserve to talk to that guy
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: inkjet heads are even worse than robots
05:51 PM jym: cause, robot heads are the worse, that whole cyborg eye and all.
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: they only want to sell sell you the whole system
05:52 PM CaptHindsight: "but I have no use for your controller"
05:52 PM unterhaus_: I imagine they keep the wizard in a dungeon at inkjet companies
05:52 PM CaptHindsight: oh you must just want to resell heads
05:53 PM unterhaus_: nobody sells heads as a component?
05:53 PM CaptHindsight: oh and it's $50K to get your fluids approved in our heads or you violate the warranty
05:53 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: you CAN buy heads but getting the specs can be really difficult
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: there are lots of Chinese resellers of heads
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: but you don't really know what you get
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: and they only have some versions
05:54 PM unterhaus_: that's always a problem
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: and those are usually based on some brand model number printer
05:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.digiprint-supplies.com/en/printheads
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.made-in-china.com/productdirectory.do?word=spectra+printhead&file=&subaction=hunt&style=b&mode=and&code=0&comProvince=nolimit&order=0&isOpenCorrection=1
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: https://digiprint-usa.com/product-category/printer-parts/printheads/
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: they really want to not have you resell them for a profit
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: "why don't you want our controller? How will you drive them?"
05:58 PM unterhaus_: you mean as a printhead
05:59 PM unterhaus_: but you didn't make your own, right?
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: yes, they don't want people reselling heads since printer co's have a big markup on replacement heads
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: Epson went completely paranoid, serial numbers in memory on everything
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: you swap heads you need to have access to the factory tools to get them to work on your printer
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: much like the problem with repairing your own tractors
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: everything needs to be enabled via some encrypted software app
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: be back later...
06:20 PM JT-Cave: my tractor does not have any repair problems... it was made in 1956
06:56 PM XXCoder1: thats well before antirepair stuff jt
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: what the right to repair situation in the EU?
08:51 PM perry_j1987: there we go just finished milling up a block with a 1/2 section on the back so i can hold it in one of my qctp holders
08:51 PM perry_j1987: now i'll re center the riser block for the tool post so i can reach both ends of the block and also still fit my parting tool and what not on there travel wise
08:51 PM perry_j1987: and i got my first gangtool setup heh
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10:28 PM XXCoder1: https://youtu.be/tiVWBOBUlaA interesting
10:31 PM XXCoder1: i love that tool setter
10:31 PM XXCoder1: if it sets great, if it goes too far down it hits estop below set button
10:45 PM skunkworks: mach4...
10:45 PM skunkworks: yeck
10:45 PM skunkworks: running some sort of realtime on top of windows for ethercat.
10:45 PM skunkworks: double yeck
10:47 PM W1N9Zr0: cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!
10:51 PM skunkworks: the cuts look more like a tuning problem than a ball screw problem.. But who knows
10:51 PM XXCoder1: you must have skipped a lot lol
10:51 PM XXCoder1: did you see the y run tests?
10:52 PM XXCoder1: i cant tell, being deaf but apparently its very crunchy when it wasnt before
10:52 PM skunkworks: yes - the wavy cut in steel?
10:52 PM skunkworks: but - I think he got all the equipment for free - so there is that.
10:53 PM XXCoder1: yeah he apparently plans to redo y again, with direct drive
10:53 PM skunkworks: I watched it while I was splicing fiber.. So I may have missed something
10:53 PM skunkworks: yes - 2 ball nuts going bad.. Something is rotten
10:54 PM XXCoder1: he suspects its caused by belt drive
10:54 PM XXCoder1: I dont know if it could apply enough sideways force]
10:54 PM XXCoder1: but then he knows a lot more than I do.
10:56 PM skunkworks: eh - my attitude still shows through I guess. Need counceling..
10:56 PM XXCoder1: if I recall right he knows about lcnc just not using it
10:56 PM XXCoder1: too bad really
10:57 PM skunkworks: He was on the forums - maho quesions
10:58 PM XXCoder1: ok
11:05 PM XXCoder1: interesting way of making hole for umm tailstock?
11:05 PM XXCoder1: not too familiar with lathe naming
11:24 PM unterhaus_: element makes nice little machines
11:24 PM unterhaus_: too bad about the mach part though
11:27 PM XXCoder1: yeah
11:36 PM unterhaus_: ethercat would be nice
11:57 PM CaptHindsight: cringe https://youtu.be/bUkX3iwr2iE?t=656
11:57 PM CaptHindsight: The Cheapest CNC Milling Machine
11:59 PM XXCoder1: crap