Jan 13 2021
01:26 AM mrec: hm, does anyone know how to center a disc on a rotary axis?
01:33 AM mrec: I have milled the disc from acrylic and would like to cut some teeth into it
01:33 AM mrec: the disc has a center hole of 3.175mm
01:33 AM mrec: (just a default single flute acrylic cutter)
01:33 AM mrec: the diameter is 20mm
01:47 AM mrec: hmmm... squeezing it into some tools that might be an option
01:48 AM Deejay: moin
02:00 AM Loetmichel: hehe, just arrived at the company in wifeys Merc. parked next to the coworkers Ford C-max... MAN, the merc is BIGGER than a "minibus"... what a monster in comparsion. :)
03:00 AM sorki is now known as srk
04:14 AM Tom_L: morning
04:15 AM XXCoder: yo
05:11 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:11 AM XXCoder: yo
05:39 AM Tom_L: 29F hi 59 ... summer is here !
05:40 AM Tom_L: ... for a day
05:42 AM norias: yippee
05:43 AM norias: i don't think we are getting any summer here
05:43 AM norias: it's going up to 44 tomorrow~
06:27 AM JT-Cave: 25.9°F in the coop this morning... a lot better than yesterday at this time
09:36 AM perry_j1987: morning
09:37 AM JT-Shop: yea Revere Plastics can't get the parts they need so I don't have to go down there and I can finish the range
09:43 AM perry_j1987: so the encoder on my lathe spindle it says i need phase a and z index pulse in order to do threading and such
09:43 AM gregcnc: perryj_1987 lathe for you https://www.ebay.com/itm/133635935534
09:44 AM perry_j1987: lol
09:44 AM gregcnc: did you decide which Mesa you're using?
09:44 AM gregcnc: or just parport?
09:44 AM perry_j1987: atm im using a bob to get going
09:44 AM perry_j1987: want to see the thing moving first
09:45 AM perry_j1987: but prob looks like a pi4 and 7i96 i think it was
09:45 AM perry_j1987: i think* i'll have enough inputs on a single BOB
09:46 AM perry_j1987: estop, x,z homing, 2 for encoder makes 5 inputs
09:46 AM gregcnc: you can put both home on one pin
09:47 AM perry_j1987: oh ya
09:47 AM perry_j1987: hmm whatelse could i add to the spare input then
09:49 AM gregcnc: what do you have to run the spindle?
09:49 AM perry_j1987: 0-10 for the vfd
09:51 AM gregcnc: if your BOB has 0-10V analog out for the VFD, I don't think you need anything else
09:52 AM perry_j1987: there is the run/stop i could put through the BOB's relay i suppose
09:54 AM perry_j1987: im not going to implement the door interlock switch yet
09:54 AM perry_j1987: maybe with the mesa upgrade
09:54 AM perry_j1987: https://www.precision-elec.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lenze-ac-tech-scf-instruction-manual.pdf
09:55 AM perry_j1987: datasheet for this vfd i've been looking at
10:01 AM perry_j1987: here's a question
10:01 AM perry_j1987: the BOB has usb port
10:02 AM perry_j1987: if i use a separate 5v supply instead of plugging it into the host computer no ground issues as long as they were on the same circuit no?
10:21 AM roycroft: well, the sun is peeking through the clouds here, and we don't have flooding in my part of the state, so that's good
10:21 AM roycroft: but millions of people lost power in washington and oregon last night due to the storm
10:22 AM roycroft: the worst of the storm was just a bit north of here
10:22 AM perry_j1987: where are you
10:22 AM roycroft: i'm in western oregon
10:23 AM roycroft: meteorologists are calling this storm an "atmospheric river"
10:23 AM jdh]: I have it on good authority that eastern oregon doesn't really exist
10:23 AM roycroft: i guarantee that it does
10:24 AM roycroft: you might recall that we had an insurrection there a few years ago, led by the the brothers bundy
10:25 AM roycroft: parts of eastern oregon are really beautiful
10:25 AM roycroft: and so starkly different to west of the mountains
10:27 AM perry_j1987: im originally from washington state
10:32 AM roycroft: i used to live in bellingham
10:34 AM perry_j1987: grew up in early years in sedro-wooley heh
10:34 AM perry_j1987: been to bellingham many times
10:35 AM roycroft: i have been to/through sedro-wooley many many times
10:36 AM perry_j1987: i gotta run be back later
10:36 AM roycroft: i generally avoid freeways, preferring more scenic routes, so highway 9 is pretty familiar
01:12 PM Thorhian: Is there a development channel for linuxcnc?
01:17 PM JT-Shop: crap I ran over my ash bucket with the truck
01:18 PM JT-Shop: #linuxcnc-devel
01:53 PM unterhaus: I wonder if BP ever made an NMTB 30 right angle attachment
02:05 PM unterhaus: apparently they did, not sure if it would work on my machine though
02:12 PM unterhaus: I like the one on ebay with cat30 tooling, it doesn't fit
03:52 PM satiowadahc: Finally annoyed enough with: ImportError: 'interpreter' is not a built-in module
03:52 PM satiowadahc: Might have to do something about it
04:29 PM perry_j1987: hows it going guys
04:39 PM * JT-Shop is going to attempt to find the top of one of the work benches in the machine shop
05:53 PM Thorhian: Anybody seen this yet? https://youtu.be/_i-qp6B5K4w
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: nice to see more devs
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: with practical applications
06:02 PM perry_j1987: ok working on this linear power supply now
06:02 PM perry_j1987: got caps and bridge recitifer in and all the commons tied together for the 48v and 24v tap
06:03 PM perry_j1987: chassis grounded as well
06:09 PM JT-Cave: Thorhian, he mentions skunkworks :)
06:24 PM JT-Cave: wtf now I have a few tabs that if you do anything it locks up the configuration tool... damn
06:56 PM perry_j1987: hows it going
06:57 PM XXCoder: boring]
06:57 PM XXCoder: you?
06:57 PM perry_j1987: someone took my crimp connector assortment
06:57 PM perry_j1987: been trying to find it heh
07:18 PM jdh]: sorry, I meant to give that back.
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: perry_j1987: did you find the connectors?
07:21 PM CaptHindsight: don't just leave us hanging
07:21 PM perry_j1987: nope
07:21 PM perry_j1987: AND gas ran out for shop heat
07:21 PM perry_j1987: was going to fill it today but got busy lol
07:21 PM perry_j1987: now im cold
07:21 PM CaptHindsight: propane or gasoline?
07:22 PM Tom_itx: damn what a day
07:22 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
07:22 PM perry_j1987: propane
07:23 PM perry_j1987: too late to get a refill
07:23 PM unterhaus: sometimes I wish my main desktop ran linux
07:24 PM unterhaus: I want to use wget
07:24 PM perry_j1987: what os are you running
07:25 PM perry_j1987: if your on windows then install windows subsystem for linux
07:27 PM Tom_L: on win10 how can you roll back a device driver that didn't work?
07:28 PM Tom_L: i normally don't do win 10 ever
07:28 PM perry_j1987: bbiab
07:29 PM roycroft: i think you restore from a save point
07:29 PM Tom_L: no save points
07:29 PM Tom_L: not mine either :)
07:29 PM roycroft: then i don't know
07:30 PM Tom_L: me either
07:30 PM roycroft: i don't use windows much, but i always create a save point before i install/change anything
07:30 PM roycroft: because that's what i do on my macs and unix/linux machines as well
07:30 PM Tom_L: i let him borrow a ssd and did an image and rolled back to 'purchase state'
07:30 PM roycroft: because that's how to go back :)
07:31 PM Tom_L: trying to help a friend that got in over his head helping a friend
07:31 PM roycroft: yeah, and most folks don't know to do save points/snapshots
07:31 PM Tom_L: problem was, upgrading from 7 to 10 the SD driver doesn't work
07:32 PM Tom_L: and locks the pc up solid
07:32 PM roycroft: well there's a safe mode you can boot into
07:32 PM Tom_L: been there
07:32 PM roycroft: that only loads critical device drivers
07:32 PM roycroft: but i don't know how to remove drivers from there
07:32 PM Tom_L: but can't figure out a way to remove the driver
07:33 PM Tom_L: it's not there in safe mode
07:33 PM roycroft: can you go back to win7 and start the upgrade again?
07:33 PM Tom_L: that's where i left him
07:33 PM roycroft: it seems that may be the only course of action at this point
07:33 PM Tom_L: loaned a ssd so he can keep the original until it all works
07:33 PM roycroft: other than doing a scratch install of windows 10
07:34 PM roycroft: windows is 10x harder than linux/macos to use, and 100x harder to administer
07:34 PM roycroft: i honestly can't understand why people use it who aren't forced to do so
07:35 PM Tom_L: yup
07:35 PM roycroft: ice director just quit
07:35 PM roycroft: we're not going to have a dhs by next week
07:37 PM roycroft: anyway, once your friend gets things going, some eduction on doing save points before doing anything scary might be in order
07:37 PM roycroft: and that includes disabling automatic updates
07:37 PM roycroft: although i'm not sure what to do about that in the end
07:38 PM Tom_L: i don't think he'll volunteer again
07:38 PM roycroft: because if you disable automatic updates, take a save point, manually update after, and things break, you can always go back to your save point
07:38 PM roycroft: but microsoft will eventually force you to do the updates
07:38 PM roycroft: the updates that break things
07:38 PM Tom_L: this driver came from realtek
07:39 PM roycroft: is it signed?
07:39 PM Tom_L: no idea, i didn't get in on that part of it
07:39 PM roycroft: is it even possible to install unsigned drivers on windows 10?
07:45 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:45 PM XXCoder: not easy heh
07:45 PM XXCoder: you have to set bypass driver signment requirement
07:45 PM XXCoder: each boot
07:46 PM gregcnc: do I trust ebay with bank info?
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: so now only microsft can install mallware drivers?
07:47 PM Tom_L: gregcnc, about as much as putting it here
07:47 PM gregcnc: now required to sell on ebay
07:47 PM Tom_L: :/
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: when did this change?
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: in addition to having paypal?
07:48 PM gregcnc: they started rolling out a while ago... managed payments
07:48 PM gregcnc: mandatory on 20th
07:49 PM Tom_L: roycroft, thinking about you: Stefan Thomas, a German-born programmer living in San Francisco, has two guesses left to figure out a password that is worth, as of this week, about $220 million. The password will let him unlock a small hard drive, known as an IronKey, which contains the private keys to a digital wallet that holds 7,002 bitcoins.
07:49 PM gregcnc: basically ebay will take payments, take their cut, pass the rest to your bank
07:49 PM CaptHindsight: no more paypal?
07:49 PM gregcnc: for this convenience you agree that they can take whatever they deem necessary from your account
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: oh handy :)
07:50 PM gregcnc: Ebay will take PP google apple whatverpay
07:50 PM gregcnc: buy you are not in that loop anymore
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: so now you need another bank account just for ebay
07:50 PM gregcnc: for business though?
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: to firewall ebay from your current bank accounts
07:51 PM gregcnc: in addition sounds like the shipping label printing in ebay goes away. not sure yet
07:53 PM gregcnc: so doing this ebay is cutting pp fee from the Ebay fees you pay
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: does ebay have a bank? Can I just have all my money held by ebay and then have them dispense it to ma as they see fit?
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: ma/me
07:54 PM gregcnc: it seems like the selling fee went up only slightly though (vs PP fee on top of ebay fee)
07:55 PM roycroft: paypal needs to die
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: first they forced you to have paypal, now they change the rules again
07:56 PM gregcnc: do they still own PP?
07:56 PM roycroft: no
07:56 PM roycroft: they went their separate ways quite some time ago
07:56 PM CaptHindsight: or as the kids would say "I don't mind"
07:56 PM roycroft: and they keep promising to switch to a new "preferred" payment gateway, but they keep using paypal
07:57 PM roycroft: paypal is one of those companies that i absolutely hate, but still have to use for some things
08:00 PM unterhaus: I don't really want to change to a captured payment company
08:00 PM unterhaus: paypal is pretty useful
08:07 PM roycroft: they have locked me out of my paypal credit account and i am unable to make a payment, which is due on friday
08:08 PM roycroft: when i tried to log in to make a payment i was forced to add a cell phone number, which i added as one of my sip numbers, since i don't have a personal cell phone number
08:08 PM roycroft: they refuse to let me log in until i enter a code they keep texting to that number
08:09 PM roycroft: i am incapable of receiving text messages
08:09 PM roycroft: it tried calling them to sort it out, but i have to be logged in to call them
08:09 PM XXCoder: isnt there paid phone plans that has texting?
08:10 PM roycroft: i tried calling them while logged into a different paypal account of mine, but they refused to talk to me, because the access code i got to be able to call them was not associated with the account i was calling about
08:10 PM roycroft: probably
08:10 PM roycroft: but i'm not going to buy a cell phone with sms just so i can pay my paypal bill
08:11 PM roycroft: i never agreed to any terms of service that require me to have a working cell phone that can accept text messages in order to use paypal
08:11 PM roycroft: i don't know where to go next with this
08:11 PM gregcnc: how do you owe them money?
08:11 PM roycroft: i'd send them a check in the mail every month if i had a way of doing that
08:11 PM roycroft: it's paypal credit
08:12 PM roycroft: i only use it for one thing - to pay my car insurance
08:12 PM roycroft: i get a 30% discount on my car insurance if i pay the policy in full up front
08:12 PM roycroft: the insurance company accept paypal payments
08:12 PM roycroft: paypal credit lets me pay things off over six months at 0% apr
08:13 PM roycroft: so i pay the insurance up front with paypal, then make monthly payments to paypal
08:13 PM roycroft: i've been doing this for over 10 years
08:13 PM roycroft: paypal credit used to be billmelater.com
08:13 PM gregcnc: wait, how do you pay them?
08:13 PM roycroft: i log in to my account and pay from a checking account
08:14 PM roycroft: except i cannot log in now
08:14 PM roycroft: and i cannot call them
08:14 PM gregcnc: oh and because PP is odd you can't issue a payment from your bank to PP
08:14 PM roycroft: right
08:15 PM roycroft: when i called and the would not talk to me about the account because i had the wrong code, before the guy hung up he told me it's no big deal - i just have to check my phone for the text they send me
08:15 PM roycroft: and when i told him i don't have a phone that receives text messages he did not believe me
08:15 PM roycroft: i know a lot of people who can't tet
08:15 PM roycroft: text
08:16 PM roycroft: most of them by choice
08:16 PM roycroft: if paypal would talk to me i'd be willing to pay off my entire balance right now, and then close the account
08:16 PM roycroft: but they won't talk to me
08:17 PM roycroft: so i'm pretty stuck
08:18 PM roycroft: and they have a lot more money for lawyers than i do, so i can't even realistically sue them if they damage my credit because they refuse to let me pay
08:18 PM roycroft: i find those kinds of lawsuits distasteful anyway
08:19 PM gregcnc: and you don't have a google acct?
08:19 PM roycroft: people should work out their differences without suing each other
08:19 PM roycroft: no, of course not
08:20 PM roycroft: i'm really concerned about this not only because i can't pay on this account, but because i expect they're going to do the same thing with my regular paypal account that i use to accept payments on ebay and for my business
08:20 PM roycroft: that might be even worse, becasue i might have a bunch of money in my paypal account on the day they lock me out
08:21 PM roycroft: i empty my paypal accounts as quickly as possible
08:21 PM roycroft: but if they do it on the wrong day there may be a few hundred dollars or more in it
08:22 PM roycroft: i guess they would consider that the "right" day for them
08:22 PM roycroft: 'cuz they'd just keep my money
08:23 PM roycroft: anyway, i don't like paypal, not one little bit :)
08:23 PM gregcnc: well I doubt we are going back to cash or checks
08:24 PM XXCoder: hah https://twitter.com/BobbyDukeArts/status/1349454716066009091
08:25 PM roycroft: i don't want to do that
08:25 PM roycroft: i just want an alternative to paypal
08:25 PM roycroft: and i wish ebay would finally get one
08:25 PM gregcnc: they are
08:25 PM roycroft: they've been saying that for years
08:26 PM roycroft: i'll believe it when it actually happens
08:26 PM gregcnc: well they are taking payments themselves now
08:26 PM gregcnc: 20th
08:26 PM roycroft: i'll have to look into it later on tonight
08:27 PM roycroft: i have a few listings right now, but they're slow moving, low cost items
08:27 PM roycroft: but i have a few higher dollar items to list, and am planning on doing so soon
08:27 PM gregcnc: if you sell there you'll be required to be required to connect a bank account
08:27 PM roycroft: if they have another payment mechanism now i'll probably want to do that
08:27 PM roycroft: that's fine, i already have that
08:27 PM roycroft: i have an ebay account and a paypal account at my credit union
08:28 PM roycroft: i keep <$5 in each
08:28 PM roycroft: i transfer funds into those accounts when i need to, and transfer out of them every time i receive a payment
08:28 PM roycroft: this car insurance thing, for example
08:28 PM gregcnc: do you then stuff the cash in your mattress?
08:29 PM roycroft: i do an automatic transfer from my main checking account to my paypal account on the 10th of each month
08:29 PM roycroft: i pay the insurance bill on the 12th, and it's due on the 15th
08:29 PM roycroft: no, i keep the money at my credit union
08:29 PM roycroft: they are local, i trust them, and my accounts are fdic insured
08:30 PM roycroft: just because i distrust some financial institutions (that are not fdic insured, and are not regulated) does not mean that i distrust all financial institutions
11:22 PM Thorhian: Anyone got any advice for securely mounting the mesa 7i76 and 7c81 into an electrical cabinet? I currently just have some janky 3D printed feed that hold them down to the panel.
11:27 PM CaptHindsight: Thorhian: clips and din rails OK?
11:28 PM CaptHindsight: Thorhian: https://mesaus.com/product-category/hardware/
11:28 PM Thorhian: Yeah, that would be perfect.
11:29 PM CaptHindsight: not sure about the 7c81, have to look at the mechanical drawing
11:29 PM W1N9Zr0: https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=din+mesa&type=things&sort=relevant you can print some too
11:29 PM Thorhian: The mesa shop states that it fits a 107mm DIN pcb holder, but I was hoping not having to go to a more obscure supplier for one of those lol
11:30 PM Thorhian: Dude, thanks W1N9Zr0. Now I just need to unclog my printer lol
11:34 PM Thorhian: But yeah, I'm going to be buying more wiring cabinet management stuff. I also need to find or make a proper cabinet... I just have thing mounted on a couple of steel plates and they were covered in trash bags to prevent chips getting on my electronics...